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InsideOut.
Jan 26th, 2009, 12:57 PM
What do you think? :confused:

gaviotabr
Jan 26th, 2009, 01:12 PM
I have no idea...

All we know is that she is looking for someone who is a former player who had tour/slam success and can help with point construction/shot selection.

I'm not very familiar with coaches, so I have no idea who could fill those characteristics.

InsideOut.
Jan 26th, 2009, 01:22 PM
I'm hoping it will be Hana Mandlikova :angel:

gaviotabr
Jan 26th, 2009, 01:29 PM
I'm hoping it will be Hana Mandlikova :angel:

Is she coaching now?

It has to be someone who can also work on Ana's mental game. She needs to stop losing tight matches.. stop going away in third sets.. stop losing concentration after a bad UE.

Mixo
Jan 26th, 2009, 01:54 PM
Corretja

bruce goose
Jan 26th, 2009, 05:40 PM
I have no idea...

All we know is that she is looking for someone who is a former player who had tour/slam success and can help with point construction/shot selection.

I'm not very familiar with coaches, so I have no idea who could fill those characteristics.Please keep us posted if you DO hear anything...as I'm sure you will;).You'll LOVE it when Ana gets a coach since it'll give you a second person to micro-analyze:ras::ras::ras:.......;):smooch:

Dexter
Jan 26th, 2009, 05:56 PM
Mommy Dementiewa. Looks like she dropped Lena since she didn't go to Melbourne.

gaviotabr
Jan 26th, 2009, 06:42 PM
Mommy Dementiewa. Looks like she dropped Lena since she didn't go to Melbourne.

I'm quite bummed about Mommy Vera you know.. I'm almost rooting for Dementieva to win the whole thing after reading that Mommy Vera is sick and that's her motivation to win, to dedicate it to her mom. :sad:

gaviotabr
Jan 26th, 2009, 06:47 PM
Please keep us posted if you DO hear anything...as I'm sure you will;).You'll LOVE it when Ana gets a coach since it'll give you a second person to micro-analyze:ras::ras::ras:.......;):smooch:

If I find anything, I'll post it.

I've read in Ana's official forum that Djokovic was asked about her in his interview after his win over Baghidatis and he said he had spoken to Ana by phone and that she was leaving for Europe.

jelenacg
Jan 26th, 2009, 06:53 PM
I'm quite bummed about Mommy Vera you know.. I'm almost rooting for Dementieva to win the whole thing after reading that Mommy Vera is sick and that's her motivation to win, to dedicate it to her mom. :sad:

Really I didn`t know that :sad:Is it something serious ??
I don`t care who will be her new coach,as long as he brings old Ana back ASAP

gaviotabr
Jan 26th, 2009, 06:57 PM
Really I didn`t know that :sad:Is it something serious ??
I don`t care who will be her new coach,as long as he brings old Ana back ASAP

I read an article in GM about it. But they don't say anything about the illness, just that she is sick and because of it couldn't travel with Dementieva. I hope it's nothing serious.

And I agree with you about Ana.. Old Ana, come back ASAP!

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Jan 26th, 2009, 07:02 PM
Eric van Harpen is free again. Maybe Ana & Maria can trade?

If she wants a former player, then I can't make a suggestion now. I don't know which players want to be a coach.
But at least let it be someone with a smart game, certainly no hardhitter.
Maybe someone of the Sanchez family can help her again.

gaviotabr
Jan 26th, 2009, 07:17 PM
Eric van Harpen is free again. Maybe Ana & Maria can trade?

If she wants a former player, then I can't make a suggestion now. I don't know which players want to be a coach.
But at least let it be someone with a smart game, certainly no hardhitter.
Maybe someone of the Sanchez family can help her again.

I wouldn't like Eric Van Harpen. He already worked with Ana. I think she needs totally new blood now.. someone to give her new ideas and new energy.

She is looking for someone who can help her with point construction, so I suppose it won't be a brainless ballbasher ex player. It will probably be someone known for smart play, I guess..

Mixo
Jan 26th, 2009, 07:45 PM
Corretja

I wasnt joking XD

He's been coaching Murray during the 2008 clay season... and now it begins... he can be a good choice.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Jan 26th, 2009, 08:29 PM
I wouldn't like Eric Van Harpen. He already worked with Ana. I think she needs totally new blood now.. someone to give her new ideas and new energy.


That is such a long time ago that you also can call it 'new'.
But I don't think he gets the job.
I don't have any options for Ana. I just make my opinion when I hear the name.

The Daviator
Jan 27th, 2009, 12:50 AM
I like the Corretja suggestion! Let's face it, Ana's best shot at winning a Slam is RG, I'd love her to defend, Alex was a great player in his day and is now coaching so that would be a good choice, plus she has some kind of rapport with Spaniards so it would work out well :p

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Jan 27th, 2009, 07:40 AM
I like the Corretja suggestion! Let's face it, Ana's best shot at winning a Slam is RG, I'd love her to defend, Alex was a great player in his day and is now coaching so that would be a good choice, plus she has some kind of rapport with Spaniards so it would work out well :p

He was a smart player, so yes I won't mind him.

InsideOut.
Jan 27th, 2009, 07:43 AM
I want to know NOW!!!! :crying2:

gaviotabr
Jan 27th, 2009, 11:19 AM
I want to know NOW!!!! :crying2:

Me too! :sobbing:

The Corretja sugestion is good.. He was up to be Davis Cup captain for Spain, but it ended up being Albert Costa, so he is free. Ana has the ability to rule clay. She knows how to play on it better than all top 10, and he could help her construct points and use the surface even more to her advantage. But of course, she needs to be playing well, and be mentally strong.

I feel like we might have more hints about it come Fed Cup, since Ana is probably going to be part of press conferences in Belgrade, and I'm sure they will ask her about it.

jelenacg
Jan 27th, 2009, 12:28 PM
Probably we`ll know something more during Fed Cup,it would be great if she had a new coach by then
I don`t want to get too exited ,but that would be a great news:bounce:
This Fed Cup is going to be a real mess ,Jelena and especially Ana are not playing well,Jelena is fighting with tennis asociation about money she should get for playing,it`s not even sure she will play(i think she will play in the end)
At least this will shut up some Serbian patriots who were saying JJ would die playing for her country :lol::lol:

gaviotabr
Jan 27th, 2009, 12:52 PM
Probably we`ll know something more during Fed Cup,it would be great if she had a new coach by then
I don`t want to get too exited ,but that would be a great news:bounce:
This Fed Cup is going to be a real mess ,Jelena and especially Ana are not playing well,Jelena is fighting with tennis asociation about money she should get for playing,it`s not even sure she will play(i think she will play in the end)
At least this will shut up some Serbian patriots who were saying JJ would die playing for her country :lol::lol:

Jankovic might not play? Oh God! Imagine if Serbia loses the tie the first time they play on Belgrade arena? How sad would that be? I still think Ana should be able to win her 2 singles matches.. but doubles.. :help:

Marilyn Monheaux
Jan 27th, 2009, 01:01 PM
^^Why is JJ fighting about money? I didn't even know they would pay someone to play fed cup:confused:

And about the coach situation, I think she needs someone who can give her her mojo back!
She needs to be focused, determined and confindent when she steps out on the court but I fear this may take a while...
Until then it would be nice if she could find someone who could teach her how to toss her ball and hit some decent groundstrokes again...
Maybe she could try the bollettieri academy?

gaviotabr
Jan 27th, 2009, 01:13 PM
^^Why is JJ fighting about money? I didn't even know they would pay someone to play fed cup:confused:

And about the coach situation, I think she needs someone who can give her her mojo back!
She needs to be focused, determined and confindent when she steps out on the court but I fear this may take a while...
Until then it would be nice if she could find someone who could teach her how to toss her ball and hit some decent groundstrokes again...
Maybe she could try the bollettieri academy?

Oh no! Not Bolletieri. No offense to them, but Ana knows how to bash a ball.. she needs to learn how to be smart on court. She could have figured out ways to win the matches she lost, since the fight is there.. but she was outsmarted each time! :help::tape:

jelenacg
Jan 27th, 2009, 01:30 PM
Yes they get money for playing Fed Cup:lol::lol:
Apparently 150 000 isn`t enough :rolleyes:
Ana has signed last year a new contarct with tennis asociation for three years and JJ`s have just expired
I find it very strange she is fighting about money she knows we are not the `richest`:lol: country in the world
But I`ll give her a benefit of the doubt bc every player has had a problems with that asociation which is full of people just carrying for them selfs and finding a ways how to get even richer
But its strange cos on Ana`s website it says her next tournament is Fed Cup but on JJ`s it says Dubai

Mixo
Jan 27th, 2009, 04:54 PM
Corretja->Clay season

Harold Solomon->Grass and HC season

That would be great... though they wouldnt be "full-time" coaches as Ana said.


One thing apart... AJDE is like VAMOS? If it is. Ajde Ivanovic!!

InsideOut.
Jan 27th, 2009, 04:59 PM
Harold Solomon was a pretty good claycourter himself though :)

Dexter
Jan 27th, 2009, 05:06 PM
Is this Corretja a serious option? I don't think so.

gaviotabr
Jan 27th, 2009, 05:15 PM
Is this Corretja a serious option? I don't think so.

I have no idea what could be considered a serious option at this point.

Gavin did say that they were talking weeks... so in a few weeks we will know.

About Harold Solomon. He would also be a nice option... but I just don't know if Ana would be willing to go practice in Florida. He has his Academy there, and if they were to work together, I think she would have to go. I just see Ana picking someone in Europe.. I could be totally wrong though.

SOA_MC
Jan 27th, 2009, 10:14 PM
What is the name of that Brazillian guy who coached Paszek from a junior all the way up to 2007? You used to see him sitting next to Gustavo Kuerten during Paszek matches

Paszek had a good game untill she left him then it all fell apart

He could be good for Ana

luv_sweetAna
Jan 27th, 2009, 10:23 PM
That bald guy? His name is Larri Passos.

gaviotabr
Jan 27th, 2009, 10:57 PM
It's Larri Passos. He is especially good at making his players strong mentally, playing relaxed. And he makes a very family oriented enviroment to people he coaches. So this could also help Ana. But I don't think he is an option... apart from running an Academy in Florianópolis (which would demand Ana to come train in Brazil, and as I said, I think she will choose someone in Europe), he is not a former player and Gavin has hinted in that direction.

jonnyroyale_13
Jan 27th, 2009, 11:10 PM
well, until she hires a real coach i found her a temp coach, available for 45 bucks on amazon.:p

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/842/61gmkj1bmelbo2204203200pt3.jpg

gaviotabr
Jan 27th, 2009, 11:14 PM
well, until she hires a real coach i found her a temp coach, available for 45 bucks on amazon.:p

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/842/61gmkj1bmelbo2204203200pt3.jpg

:lol::lol::lol:

Hey Jonny.. just the other day there was a blog in a tennis teaching website titled: The best way to fix Ana Ivanovic's ball toss.

I found that funny.. there was a huge explanation and plenty of technical tips on how to toss the ball straight.

jonnyroyale_13
Jan 27th, 2009, 11:21 PM
that video you posted in the interview thread is dead, but i remember she got advice on the ball toss already. Just let the bad ones drop:sobbing:

gaviotabr
Jan 27th, 2009, 11:29 PM
that video you posted in the interview thread is dead, but i remember she got advice on the ball toss already. Just let the bad ones drop:sobbing:

:sobbing:

I still have in my mind that horrible ball toss she chased to hit a double fault BP down in the first set against Kleybanova. That was the worst ball toss ever!

Seriously though.. there shouldn't be bad ones.. she has to learn how to toss a ball straight.

By the way.. I'm watching the AO and every time they put Ana's rolex add.. so many good memories of last year.. :sobbing:

jelenacg
Jan 27th, 2009, 11:33 PM
Tennis for dummies :lol::lol::lol:
I also like that add,so many good memories from last AO :sad:
Well she is always trying to hit the bad ones so you must be wrong :rolleyes::rolleyes:

gaviotabr
Jan 27th, 2009, 11:40 PM
Tennis for dummies :lol::lol::lol:
I also like that add,so many good memories from last AO :sad:
Well she is always trying to hit the bad ones so you must be wrong :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Ana loves to chase bad ball tosses.. :o

gaviotabr
Jan 27th, 2009, 11:52 PM
Back at the coach situation...

Ana would like Florianopolis.. it has such great beaches. :p And it's usually hot and sunny. :lol:

I'm so curious about who will be Ana's coach. I just hope it works out great and we can have old Ana back.

jonnyroyale_13
Jan 28th, 2009, 12:33 AM
who was the guy that used to be Mauresmo's coach? what is he doing now? i noticed the other day in her Azarenka match that she has new one these days.

gaviotabr
Jan 28th, 2009, 01:00 AM
who was the guy that used to be Mauresmo's coach? what is he doing now? i noticed the other day in her Azarenka match that she has new one these days.

Yes.. she has a new coach. Her old coach is now coaching Paul Henry Mathieu I think.

Dexter
Jan 28th, 2009, 09:31 AM
Azarenka is coached by van Griechen from Portugal and I'm sure they are together for more than 6 months.

Princeza
Jan 28th, 2009, 09:37 AM
Yes.. she has a new coach. Her old coach is now coaching Paul Henry Mathieu I think.

Yes Courteau is now with PHM.
Passos would just be amazing, I love this guy :D

gaviotabr
Jan 28th, 2009, 10:57 AM
I'm just watching a rerun of Verdasco's match against Tsonga.. and Melle is in his box. Wasn't Melle Ana's hitting partner? Or is he with the adidas program? I thought he was with Ana.

jelenacg
Jan 28th, 2009, 11:17 AM
Really :confused:
That man took everything from Ana :bigcry::bigcry:
Just kidding :lol::lol:
We`ve already begin with threads like Will Ana Ivanovic defend her FO title in GM,and AO is not over yet :lol:

gaviotabr
Jan 28th, 2009, 11:24 AM
Really :confused:
That man took everything from Ana :bigcry::bigcry:
Just kidding :lol::lol:
We`ve already begin with threads like Will Ana Ivanovic defend her FO title in GM,and AO is not over yet :lol:

Yes.. he was there.. the match just finished and they showed the box again, and Melle was smiling and clapping. I always found him to be so serious! :lol: Well.. we know that Sven handpicked him for Ana, so maybe since Ana was taking some days off he asked Melle to hit with Verdasco. :shrug: Just surprised me a bit.

Ais... GM! :lol: Thank God there is still a long way to Roland Garros... :sobbing:

-NAJ-
Jan 28th, 2009, 12:06 PM
from his interview

Q. Are you working with Sven Groeneveld now?

FERNANDO VERDASCO: Yeah. Sven is working with adidas. He's also one big friend. I have so good relationship with him. Adidas is treating me unbelievable. They are giving me all the options. Because I don't have coach, they are giving me all the options and all the help that they can give me, these things with Gil Reyes and Andre, also with Sven, Mats, all the team of adidas.

He's helping me. But today in the match, he cannot help me because Tsonga is also an adidas player. Always when I play against another adidas player, he cannot be there. When I don't play against adidas player, he's always helping me.


Q. When did it start?

FERNANDO VERDASCO: He came to Madrid two years ago for one week, practicing with me. Then after that week that we start our relationship, we spoke in a lot of tournaments. He's not traveling all the year, so we was together in Grand Slams, in Masters Series that he came.

I had so good relationship with him. I have so good relationship right now with him. He's helping me so much. But, you know, he's not like full‑time coach, because is a different thing. But I'm so happy also to be with him.

gaviotabr
Jan 28th, 2009, 12:11 PM
from his interview

Yes NAJ, we know that Verdasco works with Sven. Sven was not in his box, since he was playing Tsonga who is also an adidas player. I was talking about Melle, who is supposed to be Ana's permanent hitting partner and not part of the adidas program.

-NAJ-
Jan 28th, 2009, 12:15 PM
I didn't know that;)
I thought that Sven only works with ("adidas") girls :lol:

gaviotabr
Jan 28th, 2009, 12:25 PM
I didn't know that;)
I thought that Sven only works with ("adidas") girls :lol:

:lol:

No, he can work with any adidas player that request his coaching services and that he accepts it. I know that he works with Verdasco and Korolev, besides the girls.. Ana, Wozniacki, Mirza. It seems that he has been giving coaching advice to Larcher de Brito and Laura Robson too.

By the way.. what do you guys think? Will Ana keep in touch or working with Sven in selected moments, even with a new full time coach? I'm a bit torn about it.. don't know if it could be good or bad.

jelenacg
Jan 28th, 2009, 12:32 PM
Don`t know maybe,Verdasco also has coach but he is working with Sven sometimes
I remember Safina also talked to Sven before her RG semifinal against Sveta and she also has a coach

gaviotabr
Jan 28th, 2009, 12:37 PM
Don`t know maybe,Verdasco also has coach but he is working with Sven sometimes
I remember Safina also talked to Sven before her RG semifinal against Sveta and she also has a coach

Verdasco doesn't have a coach according to the interview NAJ posted. That guy in his box is his friend I think.

But sure, Ana can still work with Sven even if she has a full time coach. I think there wouldn't be a problem. The question is.. will she? Will she feel like that can help her?

jelenacg
Jan 28th, 2009, 12:49 PM
Verdasco doesn't have a coach according to the interview NAJ posted. That guy in his box is his friend I think.

But sure, Ana can still work with Sven even if she has a full time coach. I think there wouldn't be a problem. The question is.. will she? Will she feel like that can help her?

I thought he was his coach since he was with him in Brisbane also
She doesn`t need him,she is better alone than with any coach as we could see :rolleyes::lol:
Of course she should keep Sven ,she needs all the coaches in the world that can help her,and she still has good relation with Sven so why not

-NAJ-
Jan 28th, 2009, 12:49 PM
It would be great to Sven become her full time coach. I do not know when will his contract with Adidas expire,maybe they waiting for that.
and then he can be fully paid attention to Ana

gaviotabr
Jan 28th, 2009, 12:54 PM
It would be great to Sven become her full time coach. I do not know when will his contract with Adidas expire,maybe they waiting for that.
and then he can be fully paid attention to Ana

I don't think so. The adidas development program is Sven's personal project. He funded it. I doubt he would ever leave.

bruce goose
Jan 28th, 2009, 06:48 PM
Many of us,myself included,promised to keep things positive in the "Good Results..." thread,so maybe this post belongs here instead:

Ana is apparently locked in for #8 following the AO so she's lucky that the Dubai seeds were chosen in advance.Eventually,they'll be more true to current form.Y'all may correct me if I'm wrong,but I'm fairly sure that Isia and Nadia didn't do much at the start of last season,so it's not only possible,it's LIKELY that they would pass Ana soon if present trends hold.THEN,Caro and Pennetta wouldn't be far behind for that 10th spot.

Will falling out of the top 10 and not being seeded for big tourneys be a psychological blow for Ana?...Or will she perform better with lowered expectations?I don't have the first solid clue but hope she gets that coach soon:eek:

gaviotabr
Jan 28th, 2009, 07:23 PM
Many of us,myself included,promised to keep things positive in the "Good Results..." thread,so maybe this post belongs here instead:

Ana is apparently locked in for #8 following the AO so she's lucky that the Dubai seeds were chosen in advance.Eventually,they'll be more true to current form.Y'all may correct me if I'm wrong,but I'm fairly sure that Isia and Nadia didn't do much at the start of last season,so it's not only possible,it's LIKELY that they would pass Ana soon if present trends hold.THEN,Caro and Pennetta wouldn't be far behind for that 10th spot.

Will falling out of the top 10 and not being seeded for big tourneys be a psychological blow for Ana?...Or will she perform better with lowered expectations?I don't have the first solid clue but hope she gets that coach soon:eek:

Ana will be number 8, but still about 1500 points ahead of number 9. So only if Ana keeps losing in the first round and Petrova/Wozniacki win big, she won't be out of the top 8 at least until the clay season. Radwasnka has quite some points to defend, with Doha semis, Pattaya City title. Pennetta is playing the clay court tournaments in South America, and she is defending champion, so no points to gain. Ana's real competition for a top 8 seed in the next few months will come from Petrova, Wozniacki, Bartoli and Azarenka. We will have to see how they perform and how Ana perform. She has the IW title to defend, but other than that not much until RG.

Ana will be the number 8 seed in Dubai. The entry list was made before the AO, but the seedings are going to be done with the ranking of the week of the tournament. It doesn't really make a difference though.. to be 5, 6, 7 or 8 seed. I do think that falling down the rankings could lower Ana's confidence even more, and that's never good. But it could also be a shock factor, to make her wake up and play well again.

She needs to sort out her head. The more I think about it , the more I believe it's all in her head. Ever since I started following Ana she had serving and toss woes when nervous. Now she has them consistently. Maybe she is just nervous inside, even if she denies it. A bit desperate to get out of this situation.. She loses focus when things don't go right, she gets too down on herself. I think she could go see Gil Reyes in Las Vegas.. the guy is a guru, they say he is great in motivating people he works with. After seeing Verdasco being so great at difficult situations, when he would have definitely faultered and lost concentration in the past, I believe those weeks with Reyes did him wonders. Ana needs to get her composure back.

InsideOut.
Jan 29th, 2009, 01:39 AM
I also think she needs to find a serve coach, at least temporarily. She lets go of her toss too quickly and I think a serve coach would help her sort out and refine the technique.

Ugh...to think that seven months ago she was number 1 and we had almost nothing to worry about :o

jonnyroyale_13
Jan 29th, 2009, 03:11 AM
Ugh...to think that seven months ago she was number 1 and we had almost nothing to worry about :o

no reason for worry, she likes to shop, shopping for a coach will be easy for her. And the coaches should be lining up for her. She is a former number one, a slam champion and only 21 years old, why wouldnt someone want to be her coach:angel:

InsideOut.
Jan 29th, 2009, 03:14 AM
I'm not worrying about the coach, but her results :sobbing: She's giving me heart attacks all the time and not even winning :crying2:

gaviotabr
Jan 29th, 2009, 11:09 PM
Still no news about Ana's coach.. I'm so curious..:scratch:

bruce goose
Jan 29th, 2009, 11:45 PM
Still no news about Ana's coach.. I'm so curious..:scratch:YOU??CURIOUS??Can't imagine:lol:

gaviotabr
Jan 30th, 2009, 12:00 AM
YOU??CURIOUS??Can't imagine:lol:

Don't make fun of me.. :sobbing:

:p

bruce goose
Jan 30th, 2009, 12:56 AM
Don't make fun of me.. :sobbing:

:pNuestra brasilen~a preciosa:smooch:

-NAJ-
Jan 30th, 2009, 09:13 AM
We may find out during the Fed cup:confused:

gaviotabr
Feb 3rd, 2009, 11:48 AM
I don't know if there is any truth about this, but...

Dave Rineberg Rumoured To Be Ana Ivanovic’s New Coach
WTA News
I got a great tip today that talks about Ana Ivanovic and her coach situation. At the moment Ana Ivanovic is in the market for a new coach and it has been rumoured that Dave Rineberg, former coach of Venus and Serena Williams has been in talks with dhm Management, the company who represents Ana Ivanovic.

With Ana’s early departure from this years Australian Open tennis tournament the search for a full-time coach has been magnified. Coach Rineberg in Boca Raton Florida earlier today and said, “I’d be honored and thrilled to coach Ms Ivanovic back to #1 on the WTA,” the spot which she held briefly after winning last year’s French Open title. “I think there are only a few coaches who have coached a player to the #1 spot and for me well, I’ve coached the best girls in the world and I think Ms Ivanovic could out do them all.”

The next big tennis tournament is held in March in Key Biscayne Florida and coach Rineberg was asked if he thought he would be coaching there? “You never know how these things go. I can tell you nothing will happen without both of us getting on the court together and feeling comfortable about each other.”

The Austrailian Open was completed on Sunday and the former Rineberg players faired quite well. Serena Williams won her fourth title and regained the #1 WTA ranking and Venus and Serena together won the womens doubles title.


http://thetennistimes.com/dave-rineberg-rumoured-to-be-ana-ivanovics-new-coach/

Langers
Feb 3rd, 2009, 11:49 AM
Well he's paid her some massive compliments in that article.

I wouldn't mind this happening. ;)

gaviotabr
Feb 3rd, 2009, 11:51 AM
Gavin had said in the article that came out in australian press that they were searching for a former player with sustained succes on tour and grand slam level. This would not be the case for Dave Rineberg. I don't really know anything about this guy, only that he worked with the Williams sisters in their early days. And that he has written some tennis books. I also can't say if we can trust this source or not. So.. still waiting I guess...

gaviotabr
Feb 3rd, 2009, 11:56 AM
Well he's paid her some massive compliments in that article.

I wouldn't mind this happening. ;)

Yes.. he seems to believe in her potential, and that's one of the most important things in a coach-player relationship.

InsideOut.
Feb 3rd, 2009, 01:21 PM
What exactly did this guy do for the WS though? Did he teach them how to serve well? :p (That would be awesome)

The Daviator
Feb 3rd, 2009, 01:58 PM
Well, he seems to be a huge fan anyways :lol:

Marilyn Monheaux
Feb 3rd, 2009, 02:11 PM
What exactly did this guy do for the WS though? Did he teach them how to serve well? :p (That would be awesome)

I hope so:inlove:
Or maybe he taught them to have confidence in their shots:p

gaviotabr
Feb 3rd, 2009, 02:26 PM
What exactly did this guy do for the WS though? Did he teach them how to serve well? :p (That would be awesome)

Well.. he wrote a whole book about it.. so he must have done a lot for the Sisters.. :lol:

http://books.google.com.br/books?id=T4IylXpQQJAC&dq=dave+rineberg&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=Fyuh6KEykt&sig=KrpEaHlVUhZ4UMgh7CepNA24Nsg&hl=pt-BR&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=8&ct=result#PPA13,M1

https://www.authorsden.com/workscover/5497.jpg

gaviotabr
Feb 3rd, 2009, 02:29 PM
I don't know about this.. The guy definitely seems a fan.. but he is not very well known and having the opportunity to coach a slam winner is not something that must happen on a everyday basis for him. Somehow I was hoping it would be someone with more credentials.. And it doesn't really match Gavin's description of what they were looking for..

Mixo
Feb 3rd, 2009, 03:42 PM
Seven years as WS's hitting coach?


Well... I think it's a VERY GOOD presentation, isnt it? Id love Corretja to coah her, ok, but this guy seems to be nice.

bruce goose
Feb 3rd, 2009, 03:46 PM
I don't know about this.. The guy definitely seems a fan.. but he is not very well known and having the opportunity to coach a slam winner is not something that must happen on a everyday basis for him. Somehow I was hoping it would be someone with more credentials.. And it doesn't really match Gavin's description of what they were looking for..Do you think that Ana might be scaring top candidates away?Are they saying to themselves,"Sure,she's potentially the best in the game,but she won't listen,she's pre-occupied with her media & photo image,and she's too stubborn for me to coach."?

gaviotabr
Feb 3rd, 2009, 04:03 PM
Do you think that Ana might be scaring top candidates away?Are they saying to themselves,"Sure,she's potentially the best in the game,but she won't listen,she's pre-occupied with her media & photo image,and she's too stubborn for me to coach."?

No.. I don't think so.. but Ana is a hard player to coach for different reasons. I'm still on a wait and see mode though. Let's see how all this will work out.

jelenacg
Feb 3rd, 2009, 06:04 PM
He coached WS that can`t be bad
Did he work with some professional player or only with kids

gaviotabr
Feb 3rd, 2009, 10:02 PM
He coached WS that can`t be bad
Did he work with some professional player or only with kids

I don't know.. it seems that he just coached the girl who won the U18 Orange Bowl. If he coached any other pro player, than it's not someone famous.

I just read this in a blog.. some more info about him:

Dave Rineberg has been the Director of Tennis at Royal Palm since 1992. Dave was born in St. Louis, Montana, and grew up in Wichita, Kansas.

Accomplishments:

During the years of 1992 - 1997, Dave was the Hitting Coach for Venus and Serena Williams. He has coached ATP, WTA and Nationally ranked players. He is a National 35 Doubles Champion and twice a Florida Sate Doubles Champion. He is also a competitive marathon runner and coach of a speed, strength and footwork program called �Futuremetrics�. He has been a guest on NBC, CBS, USA and ABC, and has been featured in numerous publications, including Tennis Week, Sports Illustrated for Women and the New York Times. Dave is the author of, Venus & Serena, My Seven Years as Hitting Coach for the Williams Sisters and Recipes for the Tennis Player�s Soul.

jelenacg
Feb 3rd, 2009, 10:44 PM
Recipes for the Tennis Players Soul :haha::haha:
This is still not sure but as long as he brings old Ana back,i`m ok with him
Anything is better than her being all alone as we could see

InsideOut.
Feb 4th, 2009, 02:48 PM
Did you read the e-book extract from gaviotabr's link? :) He actually helped to improve Venus' serve! :inlove: And he has very consistent groundstrokes so he's basically a Dementieva. :eek: And he actually imitated all the top female players back in the day like Steffi, ASV, and Gaby for the WS including grunts, body language, shot selection in different scenarios :eek: Sounds good to me!

-NAJ-
Feb 4th, 2009, 08:43 PM
Dave Rineberg won't be Ana's coach.
-said Ana's management DH

He offered cooperation, but they have refused.

with certainty I can say that Dave Rajnberg will not be coach of Ana Ivanovic - said Gavin Versi for Press

http://www.pressonline.rs/page/stories/sr.html?view=story&id=57817&sectionId=44

gaviotabr
Feb 4th, 2009, 08:47 PM
Dave Rineberg won't be Ana's coach.
-said Ana's management DH

He offered cooperation, but they have refused.

with certainty I can say that Dave Rajnberg will not be coach of Ana Ivanovic - said Gavin Versi for Press

http://www.pressonline.rs/page/stories/sr.html?view=story&id=57817&sectionId=44

Thanks NAJ!

So I guess this guy was basically selling himself for the job.. He was like.. hey! I'm available! I would be honored to coach Ana.

I was thinking it could be the case, since he doesn't match Gavin's description of what they are looking for at all.

I guess we will keep waiting.

jelenacg
Feb 4th, 2009, 08:48 PM
Good finally someone asked :)
So he offered cooperation ,they asked for his CV and then said no thanks :lol::lol:

Mixo
Feb 4th, 2009, 08:50 PM
Good finally someone asked :)
So he offered cooperation ,they asked for his CV and then said no thanks :lol::lol:

Yup. Basically xD

I really expect Corretja to coach her. He would be nice.

gaviotabr
Feb 4th, 2009, 08:53 PM
Good finally someone asked :)
So he offered cooperation ,they asked for his CV and then said no thanks :lol::lol:

:lol::lol:

The guy seems to be an attention seeker. If that's the case, then I'm glad he is not going to be Ana's coach. Imagine if he was.. in a few years we would have a new unofficial book: "Ana Ivanovic: My 6 months coaching the serbian tennis ace". :lol:

bruce goose
Feb 4th, 2009, 08:56 PM
:lol::lol:

The guy seems to be an attention seeker. If that's the case, then I'm glad he is not going to be Ana's coach. Imagine if he was.. in a few years we would have a new unofficial book: "Ana Ivanovic: My 6 months coaching the serbian tennis ace". :lol:....Or,"Noteworthy Shopping Trips I Took While Carrying Ana's Bags"

jelenacg
Feb 4th, 2009, 09:01 PM
I`m not joking :):) that`s what article says

gaviotabr
Feb 4th, 2009, 09:04 PM
I`m not joking :):) that`s what article says

I know.. I used google translation.. :lol:

But still.. it's funny how the guy was milking some fame through this.

The thing is.. Ana is still without a coach.. and she needs one ASAP. How long will her team wait to make a decision?

-NAJ-
Feb 4th, 2009, 09:08 PM
Coach secret
ANA did not want to disclose who is the new coach ...
- Now I have the potential coach with who I will try, but I can not say the name. I hope to help with his concerns clear in my head, about bekhend and forehand, what i needto play dijagonal or parallel ...

Novosti

full interview

I'll come back to the top


Here is all started - with a smile said Ana Ivanovic, entering on Wednesday after noon on a makeshift tennis courts in the empty swimming pool sports center "11 April "in Bežanijskoj hair. From the same place from which it started in winning the tennis planet, Ana has announced the return to the top of VTA rank-list and new trophies in the biggest tournaments.
- Behind me is a difficult period, but from that I came out stronger, and my career will now again be in the ascent - it is sent Ivanovićeva in an exclusive interview to "News" and "Sport", to break record documentary.
Accustomed to the buzzing of the camera and prohteve our colleagues, the Serbian teniserka to patiently move from discussions on the field, now sat, hour stamped ball, while the team of famous American TV programs HBO performed their work. Image from the pool will visit the world, as well as stories about the way girls from Serbia, now owners grend slem titles and not so long ago the best teniserka world.
* Since you were not in the "11 April "and what is the feeling to return to the place where it all began?
- I do not know exactly how long I was not here, I lost the notion of time, but has more than two years. Now we are returning a lot of good memories, when as children trained here, and we always ostajali after training to socialize. We played hide-and-seek, sakrivali the field, stands, offices ... Uh, a lot of good memories of me tied to this place, because here it all began. Now I returned the documentary record, but I'm glad. It has so many people that long I did not see, who have always supported me and believed in me - she is Ana, and is warmly welcomed with the coaches that made the first tennis steps.
* Would you like something has changed here in Belgrade?
- Absolutely not (laughing)! It seems to me only a little cold. I believe that children and still work the preparation of the pool, everything else is the same.
* See yourself as you watch these kids, that train?
- No full of children, because it's time for school. I remember that us and it was only ten, družili we are, coming here after school. It was the best time. See in the eyes of these children to enjoy just how I am sometimes.
* The story about the pool is one of the most statement, which still causes fascinaciju foreign media?
- I was aware that to odjekne. The story I just mentioned as the way in an interview. Foreign journalists such things are unimaginable, especially Americans. Network HBO is wished to be part of documentary shot here, and all will see how it looks. Words, it is difficult to explain to this field you can not play dijagonalu, or can only one side. This must be seen.
* After the extraordinary last summer, followed the injury and fall. With the first places you reach the Osmo?
- In every career, and inevitably have ups and downs, but the size of athletes is to uzdignu after the fall. I believe that I am now in a prelomnim period and will go better.
* Where are the missing strong forehand and services? To you is a great media attention about your private life in the time of impact on the crisis?
- Yes, and it is influenced, because I had less time to rest and pay it. I had, and do, are always there were journalists ... I do not like to read about yourself, but some things you can not blokiraš. I think that the main problem of bad games to which I was missing coach in the preparation period. I dvoumila about the tactics, the game ... And before that, when I worked with coach, there was a small confusion. One day we talked to the forehand to play like this, a second day completely different, and I was totally confused. All the time I was looking for you. I lost my service, coordination of movement when throwing the ball ...
* When we see Hannah recognizable in the light?
- I am physically ready than ever. Excellent move, and no balls you can not get. That's why I withdrew back, Run for Our more aggressive and not play as before. I am aware that to have to change, to be aggressive, to return to the base that I had. Difficult period is behind me, but from that I came out stronger. My career will now again be up - not leaving the dilemma Ana Ivanovic.

I believe in SERBIA
* WHAT expect from the forthcoming duel with Japan in Fed Cup?
- I think that we are great favorites, and to create the pressure. Especially for the first time playing in front of the home audience. I am very excited and believe that we have the potential to one day and took the Fed Cup. Floor in the "Arena" is quite slow, the ball high odskaču, we match against the Japanese who like to be all fast and low.

jelenacg
Feb 4th, 2009, 09:09 PM
I know :sad::sad:
They should ask her for the list of potential coaches so we could discuss all of them :lol::lol:

gaviotabr
Feb 4th, 2009, 09:12 PM
Coach secret
ANA did not want to disclose who is the new coach ...
- Now I have the potential coach with who I will try, but I can not say the name. I hope to help with his concerns clear in my head, about bekhend and forehand, what i needto play dijagonal or parallel ...

Novosti

full interview

Thanks again NAJ!

Well.. that's interesting. Great that she already has a potential coach.. now she will try it out with him to see if there is good communication. Hopefully things will work out and we will see some nice results soon.

jelenacg
Feb 4th, 2009, 09:17 PM
NAJ :hug:
I just read it
Where are the missing strong forehand and services
Finally someone asked
So she is not blind ,good to know
Who is that journalist?I love her or him :bigclap::bigclap:

gaviotabr
Feb 4th, 2009, 09:19 PM
NAJ :hug:
I just read it
Where are the missing strong forehand and services
Finally someone asked
So she is not blind ,good to know
Who is that journalist?I love her or him :bigclap::bigclap:

It was a great interview! And it's true that she has been playing more defensively lately.. and good to know that she knows that she needs to step up and play more agressively.

I'm so curious about the potential coach!

-NAJ-
Feb 4th, 2009, 09:23 PM
Who is that journalist?

Branko Cvetojevic and jelenacg are in love:inlove:

:lol:

mure
Feb 4th, 2009, 09:33 PM
hey maybe this potential new coach is that Reineberg guy,maybe the interview was taken before they rejected him

jelenacg
Feb 4th, 2009, 09:34 PM
Good to know :lol: thanks
Now we only need a name of that potential coach :lol:

-NAJ-
Feb 4th, 2009, 09:35 PM
I'm so curious about the potential coach!

Me to.
Is there someone on the forum that is close to Ana's team. To find out over him:help:

gaviotabr
Feb 4th, 2009, 09:38 PM
hey maybe this potential new coach is that Reineberg guy,maybe the interview was taken before they rejected him

No. He was rejected long ago. The interview was taken today.. and Gavin's quotes are also from today.

jelenacg
Feb 4th, 2009, 09:38 PM
hey maybe this potential new coach is that Reineberg guy,maybe the interview was taken before they rejected him

No they said they didn`t start negotiation with him just asked for CV

gaviotabr
Feb 4th, 2009, 09:39 PM
Me to.
Is there someone on the forum that is close to Ana's team. To find out over him:help:

I don't think we have anyone close to Ana around here. I guess we might know something come Dubai.

-NAJ-
Feb 11th, 2009, 09:04 AM
Kardon to coach Ana



Ana has appointed American Craig Kardon as her new tennis coach. The pair will work on a trial basis, beginning at next week’s Barclays Dubai Tennis Championships.

47-year-old Kardon is the former coach of eighteen-time Grand Slam champion Martina Navratilova: they worked together during the last of her nine Wimbledon titles in 1990.

Other notable pupils of the Texas-based Kardon include Lindsay Davenport, Mary Pierce, Jennifer Capriati and Xavier Malisse.

“I’m happy to begin working with Craig,” said Ana. “We’re going to see how it goes in the beginning and then I’ll make a decision about the longer-term future.

“I feel like I made good progress during the Fed Cup tie and I’m not so far away from finding my old form. Craig has a lot of experience, he encourages attacking tennis and I am hopeful we will achieve some good results together.”

Scott Byrnes will continue to serve as Ana’s strength and conditioning coach.

from Ana web site

Marilyn Monheaux
Feb 11th, 2009, 09:48 AM
Yes, yes, yes!!! Finally she has a new coach!:woohoo:
I honestly don't know much about him but from what is written in this article it sounds promising:bounce:

Davodus
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:01 AM
i dont know much about him
but hopefully it works out well :) seems he has coached quite a few top players

gaviotabr
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:05 AM
Great to know who will be the new coach!! I really hope everything works great between them, Ana can return to her best form as soon as posible and improve on that.

I have to say I'm a bit surprised that she chose an american.. I thought she would for sure choose someone whose training base was in Europe. I don't know much about this guy, but I'm going to do some research and I'll post if I find anything interesting.

gaviotabr
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:36 AM
Ok.. I have some interesting things.

First a bio:

Few coaches have been fortunate enough to coach the “greats of this tennis generation”. From Martina Navratilova to Jennifer Capriati, Xavier Malisse, Davenport, Garrison, Pierce, and Raymond just to name a few. Raised in Texas and a graduate of the University of Texas, Craig played professionally after college earning a top 200 ATP ranking in singles and doubles. His professional coaching career has spanned 18 years on the ATP and WTA tour. His awards through these years include the 1991 World Team Tennis coach of the year and the 1991 and 2002 USPTA touring coach of the year. In 1990 Craig coached Martina to her record setting 9th Wimbledon title. Later, he coached Alexandra Stevenson in 1999 and Xavier Malisse in 2002 to their first Grand Slam singles semi-final at Wimbledon.

From 1998 until 2001, Craig was selected by the USTA as one of their National Coaches. While working for the USTA Craig had the opportunity to help develop, evaluate, and coach numerous top US juniors at National and ITF events helping many of these young protégées transition to the tour level events.

His efforts continue today coaching Carly Gullickson and coaching the Philadelphia Freedom World Team Tennis Team. Craig is also the touring Pro for Lakecliff Racquet Club in Austin, Texas. As Billy Jean King said of Craig this year “Craig Kardon is wonderful”. "He knows the concept of Team Tennis and he is really wonderful at getting his players to play as a team and cheer each other on."

http://www.craigkardon.com/images/website80/500image_dsc_1086.jpg

jelenacg
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:46 AM
New coach :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:
Don`t know anything about him but Lindsay Davenport, Mary Pierce, Jennifer Capriati, Martina Navratilova-that can`t be bad

gaviotabr
Feb 11th, 2009, 11:11 AM
Now the list of players he coached, the time period, and what they did while being coached by him (according to Wikipedia):

Craig Kardon is known as one of the top coaches in the world. Here is a list of players Craig has coached:

1988-1994 Martina Navratilova

In 1988, Graf won all four Grand Slam singles titles, beating Navratilova 5–7, 6–2, 6–1 in the Wimbledon final along the way. In 1989, Graf and Navratilova met in the finals of both Wimbledon and the US Open, with Graf winning both encounters in three sets. Despite the age difference between the two players, Navratilova won 9 of the 18 career singles matches with Graf and 5 of the 9 Grand Slam singles matches with her. At age 34, Navratilova defeated Graf the last time they played in a Grand Slam event in the semifinals of the 1991 US Open 7–6(2), 6–7(6), 6–4.

Navratilova's final Grand Slam singles triumph was in 1990. In the final, the 33-year old Navratilova swept Zina Garrison 6–4, 6–1 to claim a record-breaking ninth Wimbledon singles crown. Though that was her last Grand Slam singles title, Navratilova reached two additional Grand Slam singles finals during the remainder of career. In 1991, she lost in the US Open final to the new World No. 1 Monica Seles after defeating Graf in a semifinal. And then in 1994, at the age of 37, Navratilova reached the Wimbledon final, where she lost in three sets to Conchita Martínez. Soon after, she retired from full-time competition on the singles tour.

1995 Lindsay Davenport

Davenport started the year by reaching the final of the tournament in Sydney, where she lost to Gabriela Sabatini. Davenport again reached the Australian Open quarterfinals and the following week, lost to Kimiko Date in the final of the tournament in Tokyo.

On clay, Davenport won the tournament in Strasbourg on her first attempt, defeating Date in the final. Date, however, turned the tables at the French Open, defeating Davenport in the fourth round 6–4, 6–3.

At Wimbledon, Davenport was upset in the fourth round by Mary Joe Fernandez 7–6(6), 6–1. At the final Grand Slam tournament of the year, the US Open, Davenport was again upset, this time in the second round by Zina Garrison Jackson 6–1, 6–3.

In doubles, Davenport and Jana Novotná started the year by winning the tournament in Sydney. Davenport and Lisa Raymond then lost in the Australian Open semifinals to the top seeded team of Gigi Fernández and Natasha Zvereva. Davenport teamed with Nicole Arendt to reach the French Open semifinals, where they lost to the top seeded team of Novotná and Arantxa Sánchez Vicario. At Wimbledon, Davenport and Raymond, the fourth seeded team, were upset in the first round. At the US Open, Davenport and Raymond were again the fourth seeded team and were upset in the third round by fifteenth seeded Lori McNeil and Helena Suková 6–0, 6–2. In other tournaments, Davenport and Raymond won in Indian Wells, and Davenport and Mary Joe Fernandez won in Tokyo (the non-Tier I tournament) and Strasbourg.

1996 Lisa Raymond, Zina Garrison

Last year on tour for Zina Garrison.
Lisa Raymond reached the Australian Open quarters, the semis at Tokyo Pan Pacific Open, Indian Wells and San Diego. Lost in the third round at the French Open, Wimbledon and Miami. And in the second round of the US Open. Won Quebec City. And a doubles title in Chicago partnering Rennae Stubbs.

1997 Mary Pierce

Pierce was back in the Australian Open singles final in 1997, where she lost to Martina Hingis in straight sets. She also lost in that year's Chase Championships final to Jana Novotná. Pierce was a member of the French team that won the 1997 Fed Cup, and her only title that season was the Italian Open, defeating Conchita Martínez in the final. Pierce won the Comeback Player of the Year award for ending the year at World No. 7 after starting at World No. 21.

Lost in the 4th round of Wimbledon, Us Open and French Open.

1999 Alexander Stevenson

Played in selected events (5) reaching Wimbledon semifinal. Lost in the first round of the US Open, Charleston and Rogers Cup. Lost in the second round of Indian Wells.

2002 Xavier Malisse

Reached Wimbledon semifinal. Lost in the 3rd round at the US Open, 2nd round at the Australian Open and 4th round at Roland Garros.

2003 Daja Bedanova

Didn't get past the second round at any tournament. Went 7-20 for the year.

2004 Vince Spadea, Jennifer Capriati, Carly Gullickson

Spadea won the title Scottsdale, beating Nicolas Kiefer in the final. Reached his best showing at Wimbledon, a 4th round.

Capriati reached semis at the French and Us Opens and the quarters at Wimbledon. Did not play the Australian Open. This was Capriati's final year on tour so far, due to a shoulder injury.

Couldn't find much about Gullickson on WTA level.

gaviotabr
Feb 11th, 2009, 11:15 AM
And last but no least, an interview with Craig Kardon in the ocasion of Martina Navratilova's last tournament in 1994, her first retirement from the tour. I'll post the interesting parts from our (Ana fans) perspective and the link for the rest of the interview.

Q. Craig, after all these years working with her -- give us -- what's it been like working with Martina? What is the sports world going to lose when she retires?

CRAIG KARDON: Well, I think, you know, tennis in general, I think it's going to lose someone with alot of personality, a lot of style, a lot of grace. She -- I mean, Martina has transcended three decades which is amazing, and you kind of see the trends how they've gone from the wooden rackets, and the touch, and the feel game to the power game where Martina has had to adapt her game a little bit and change a few things to compete with the younger players and players that hit the ball harder. And, you know, what I think is sad is you don't see that style of play any more. And I think nobody really understands the void that she's going to leave until maybe a year or two after she's gone and you see the same type of players come up. But those of us who have been around and have seen Martina play through the years, I think we'll remember the style, and that type of game, but, you know, it will be sad because I think she will -- you know, nobody will remember her after a little while.

Q. Can you comment a little about what it's been like to work with her on a personal level, what she's like to work with?

CRAIG KARDON: Sure, she's fun. We have a good time. There's really never been a day when we've had a really bad practice. I mean, even when, let's say she's having a tough time on the court, I always try and look at it in a positive manner, or I will try and make her laugh about something, and, like -- sometimes she's -- I get her these guys to play against and she'll turn to me and say, "Craig this is hopeless, this guy is serving me off the court" and I said, "well, do the baseline, walk, I'll just walk with you. We'll try to guess which way he's serving," and I always try and point out a positive direction in practice, and I'm a big ham in practice, so I always try and tease with her and kid with her. But as far as working with her, she's great to work with. She's really smart and she picks up on things, like that (snap fingers.) What I think I will miss is the fact that you can tell her something to do and she can immediately emulate it and do it. She's really visual with the way she learns. She learns by watching. I've shown her a couple of shots that, you know, I've shown a lot of other people and she's one of the only ones that have been able to emulate them perfectly almost. So I'll miss that. And, you know, she has her own style and her quick wit with her tongue that, I guess, you guys are used to.

Q. Craig, would you elaborate a little bit on what do you think are the factors that contributed to the long-term coaching relationship with her?

CRAIG KARDON: Sure. She is, I think part of it is just friendship and I think she took a chance with me to trust me. She really took a chance. I think you have to really believe in your instincts, and first of all, we had a friendship and I think that helped. So there was a little bit of trust in there in the beginning. And then, I think just also feeling comfortable around somebody, not only on the court, but off the court as well because when you have a long relationship workingwise, you have to be able to, outside of work, be friends with that person as well. I think that's important. And also I think she trusted me and my knowledge of tennis. So...

Q. How did you handle or how do you handle the times where there were conflicts? I'm sure there must have been a few times?

CRAIG KARDON: Oh, yes. Most of the times when there was conflict in the early days I wouldn't say anything and I would just kind of harbor it, and a few days later I might bring it up and that was probably not so good; not a good thing to do. But later on, I would take her aside right away and say, Hey look, I think you're wrong and I think this is the way it should be, and she would think about it and she would tell me to go to hell or she would say, I think you're right and I think that's where the trust part came in. We kind of, through the years, developed more trust in each other. And so, whereas if she was angry about something she would tell me right away and I'd correct it and make it in her favor or if I was angry about something with her on the court whatever it might be, I'd take it to her right away, and I think it's my job as a coach to bring something that I see out of place to her attention right away and not wait.



http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=34712

gaviotabr
Feb 11th, 2009, 11:30 AM
Now just some thoughts..

Kardon has coached only american players or european players with strong american connections, like Mary Pierce, who was a Bolletieri player. Ana is his first true european-only player. And he is Ana's first american coach. She has always chosen coaches in Europe (except for australian David Taylor), and it did surprise me a bit, as I've said, that she ended up picking an american. I wonder how everything worked out for them to get in connection and for Ana to chose him. And I have to say I'm also curious to know who was her other option, as many times she mentioned she had 2 good options she was thinking through.

Kardon has an impresive list of players, but as you could see from my research, he didn't coach them in their best years. His most impresive work was definitely with Navratilova, but we are talking about arguably the GOAT here. Still, he is experienced, which is great.

It's also interesting to note that he is not really what Gavin first described that they were looking for. He does seem to be an upbeat, positive coach, with strong opinions, which is what Ana needs. Hopefully he will work on her head, her mental strength does need a lot of care and work. I think we should be patient in this beginning, as sometimes these new arrangements take time to work out.. and I suppose Ana will give him at least a month or 2 as a trial period to see how things go. I am confident though, that Ana will go back to her winning ways. I hope they work a lot on point construction and she doesn't go from defending into attacking in the dark.. there were some times she would go to the net against Sugiyama and at the AO that were completely wrong moments to do that. She needs to learn how and when to crash the net, and how and when to be agressive from the back. Most players he worked with had good serves, so I hope he helps her out with that. Let's see how things work out and hope for the best.

soul
Feb 11th, 2009, 03:23 PM
FİNALL; Ana HAS A COACH

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Feb 11th, 2009, 06:41 PM
Ok, she has a coach now. It's a start but only the begining.
Hope he can fix her mind.

Rod the Bama
Feb 11th, 2009, 07:31 PM
I`m also glad that Ana got a new coach. Obviously Craig has some good credentials in coaching some great players like Martina and Lindsay. Hopefully he can work on fixing the weak areas of Ana`s game, especially her serve.

SOA_MC
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:35 PM
Ana has seemed to have picked someone who has had success with players that have a similar playing style as herself, I like the choice :)

Hope this is the beginning resurgence of the old Ana :bigcry:

The Daviator
Feb 11th, 2009, 11:07 PM
If she played like Pierce in 2005 :hearts:

jonnyroyale_13
Feb 12th, 2009, 04:37 AM
Good luck Coach Kardon! It would be interesting to know when the process began, and how much hes been watching her play recently.

Illusionist
Feb 16th, 2009, 01:53 AM
Hope they get along. I'm so glad she'll finally have someone who can dedicate his whole time to her!
AJDE!

gaviotabr
Feb 18th, 2009, 07:07 PM
Just read something about Kardon in a blog.. nothing really important, but I figure I'll post anyway..

Wednesday, February 18, 2009
Former Doubles Partner Makes Good

The guy to the right is Craig Kardon.

In 1979, he and I won the Texas State Doubles Championship for Boys 18 and under. We never did that well outside of Texas, but we were still a pretty good team.

He went on to play for the University of Texas, and far surpassed me as a player. He played on the pro tour from 1984-1988.

Anyway, just last week, Ana Ivanovic hired Craig as her coach. Uh, she's the one on the left.
She's also the defending French Open champion and was briefly ranked #1 in the world in 2008.
Craig is one of those genuinely nice guys, so I'm really glad for his success.



http://talbotdavis.blogspot.com/2009/02/former-doubles-partner-makes-good.html

spiritedenergy
Feb 18th, 2009, 07:59 PM
Just read something about Kardon in a blog.. nothing really important, but I figure I'll post anyway..



http://talbotdavis.blogspot.com/2009/02/former-doubles-partner-makes-good.html

he does look really nice and friendly, typical Texas guy:hearts: A bit too relaxed though:lol:

Charlieflip
Feb 22nd, 2009, 01:06 AM
Now just some thoughts..

Kardon has coached only american players or european players with strong american connections, like Mary Pierce, who was a Bolletieri player. Ana is his first true european-only player. And he is Ana's first american coach. She has always chosen coaches in Europe (except for australian David Taylor), and it did surprise me a bit, as I've said, that she ended up picking an american. I wonder how everything worked out for them to get in connection and for Ana to chose him. And I have to say I'm also curious to know who was her other option, as many times she mentioned she had 2 good options she was thinking through.

Kardon has an impresive list of players, but as you could see from my research, he didn't coach them in their best years. His most impresive work was definitely with Navratilova, but we are talking about arguably the GOAT here. Still, he is experienced, which is great.

It's also interesting to note that he is not really what Gavin first described that they were looking for. He does seem to be an upbeat, positive coach, with strong opinions, which is what Ana needs. Hopefully he will work on her head, her mental strength does need a lot of care and work. I think we should be patient in this beginning, as sometimes these new arrangements take time to work out.. and I suppose Ana will give him at least a month or 2 as a trial period to see how things go. I am confident though, that Ana will go back to her winning ways. I hope they work a lot on point construction and she doesn't go from defending into attacking in the dark.. there were some times she would go to the net against Sugiyama and at the AO that were completely wrong moments to do that. She needs to learn how and when to crash the net, and how and when to be agressive from the back. Most players he worked with had good serves, so I hope he helps her out with that. Let's see how things work out and hope for the best.

I enjoyed reading your thoughts.

One thing that kinda off stuck to me was that you mentioned that he didnt coach neither of the players in their best days. Also, I tend to see a slope in his skill over the years. Its impossible to say if this was the right choice or not, but as anas mental and serving abilites, I disagree with you. I think she has them sorted out relativly well, and I think they are on the upgoing. I think that the lack of a proffessional coach has made her technical side slide, and I hope that he will mainly focus on that.

gaviotabr
Feb 27th, 2009, 02:20 PM
Someone left a question about Ana for Kardon in his web and he answered it!

Craig has been named Ana Ivanovic's new coach. I would like to know how that arrangement took place and what are his plans for Ana.

posted by Pov on Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:48:03 AM.


I was hired by Ana for a trial period through Miami. There will be more info after Miami. Everything is progressing very nicely thus far.

posted by Craig on Monday, February 23, 2009 4:17:54 AM.


So.. the trial period is supposed to go on until Miami. He says things are going well, but I guess it will all come down to how Ana performs in the first 2 Premier Mandatory events of the season. There will be more news after Miami, hopefully all good news!

gaviotabr
Feb 27th, 2009, 02:25 PM
Ana also talked a bit about Kardon in her diary entry today:

Craig and I have been working well together on the court. He is very positive and I like his coaching philosophy so far. For example, he is more concerned with tactics and dominating opponents instead of looking closely at technique and videos; I think this suits me.


That's interesting. Ana does need to learn a lot about tactics and different plans to dominate an opponent and get a win. But I think she can also benefit from some work in her technique... Good thing is that she seems happy about the coach-player relationship. We all know how she has been pretty vocal about not liking it too much.

spiritedenergy
Feb 27th, 2009, 02:42 PM
gaviotabr where have you been? this forum is dead without you:sad:;)

I like him thus far, but let's see the next tournaments; however i don't think that his teachings will show that much after just one month or so.

gaviotabr
Feb 27th, 2009, 02:50 PM
gaviotabr where have you been? this forum is dead without you:sad:;)

I like him thus far, but let's see the next tournaments; however i don't think that his teachings will show that much after just one month or so.

Hi spirit!

I've been enjoying my last few weeks of holidays... going to the movies, playing tennis with friends, giving my boyfriend some deserved atention.. :lol: doing healthy stuff.. :lol: I still have a couple of weeks though, but with Ana missing (hopefully practising somewhere), I didn't have much to write here.. :lol:

About the coach.. yes.. though I do think there was already some good influence in Dubai. She seemed more confident at least, which is already something important. I'm excited (Ana style :lol:) to see how she does in IW-Miami..

spiritedenergy
Feb 27th, 2009, 02:56 PM
Hi spirit!

I've been enjoying my last few weeks of holidays... going to the movies, playing tennis with friends, giving my boyfriend some deserved atention.. :lol: doing healthy stuff.. :lol: I still have a couple of weeks though, but with Ana missing (hopefully practising somewhere), I didn't have much to write here.. :lol:

About the coach.. yes.. though I do think there was already some good influence in Dubai. She seemed more confident at least, which is already something important. I'm excited (Ana style :lol:) to see how she does in IW-Miami..

I'm glad you had a good time:D. Is it summer in Brazil? Here in Canada it's the dead of winter and today's temperature is -28 Celsius :sad:. It's sunny though:p

I'm also "exciting" for Ana but don't have that much hopes yet.

gaviotabr
Feb 27th, 2009, 03:24 PM
I'm glad you had a good time:D. Is it summer in Brazil? Here in Canada it's the dead of winter and today's temperature is -28 Celsius :sad:. It's sunny though:p

I'm also "exciting" for Ana but don't have that much hopes yet.

It's summer. We have had some pretty hot days the last couple of weeks. And it was also carnival this week, so lot's of parades and carnival parties going on.

I think I've never experienced such cold conditions. I was once in NY on winter.. it was really cold, like -10 celsius.. but I can't imagine how it must feel like -28 Celsius.

I'm excited to see Ana playing better and competing at a high level.. but I agree with you.. as I've said once, I think she still needs a week or 2 where everything works perfectly for her to regain the confidence she lost with everything that happened the past 8 months.

InsideOut.
Feb 27th, 2009, 03:32 PM
Good that they work on tactics but Ana does need some help with her technique as well, especially the ball toss. Get a serve coach to reconstruct it please. :angel:

Still it seems more positive than negative thus far.

gaviotabr
Feb 27th, 2009, 03:42 PM
Good that they work on tactics but Ana does need some help with her technique as well, especially the ball toss. Get a serve coach to reconstruct it please. :angel:

Still it seems more positive than negative thus far.

I also think she needs to work on her technique.. especially on the serve. Her serve can be such a weapon.. but instead it has been a liability lately.. though in Dubai it was much improved from AO and Brisbane.

I guess they are working on improving her shots and her technique, but Kardon is more focused on tactics and giving some direction for Ana's game. Maybe it's better to start out this way.. :shrug:

jelenacg
Feb 27th, 2009, 04:03 PM
Well they have just started working together it`s normal i think not to work on technique right away
She stayed at Burj Al-Arab hotel,she should invite us next time and not only brag about it in her diary :lol::lol:
I think we have deserved it after what she put us through in last 6-8 months :lol:
I can`t wait for IW to start,I`m sure she will play better but I also know she is not very good in defending her titles :tape::lol:
Looks like Verdasco will be playing in Belgrade in May,good thing Ana will be in Rome at that time
No distraction please especially Spanish one :)

gaviotabr
Feb 27th, 2009, 04:08 PM
Well they have just started working together it`s normal i think not to work on technique right away
She stayed at Burj Al-Arab hotel,she should invite us next time and not only brag about it in her diary :lol::lol:
I think we have deserved it after what she put us through in last 6-8 months :lol:
I can`t wait for IW to start,I`m sure she will play better but I also know she is not very good in defending her titles :tape::lol:
Looks like Verdasco will be playing in Belgrade in May,good thing Ana will be in Rome at that time
No distraction please especially Spanish one :)

Yes, I totally think she should invite us to the "only 7 star hotel in the world"! :lol: I wonder where Ana is now.. I suppose she is practising somewhere.. but she didn't give us any hint. :lol:

I think Ana should start to learn how to deal with defending titles and at least put a strong and calm performance in IW. I still remember how nervous she was in Berlin last year and in the Roger's cup in 2007.

jelenacg
Feb 27th, 2009, 04:15 PM
That is why I don`t know what to think :tape:
But at least in Berlin she won a couple of matches and lost in SF

gaviotabr
Feb 27th, 2009, 04:26 PM
That is way I don`t know what to think :tape:
But at least in Berlin she won a couple of matches and lost in SF

Yes... but she reached the semis playing some bad tennis.

Hopefully Kardon will work with her on that.. Ana needs to learn how to deal with being the defending champion at a tournament, and IW is the perfect opportunity to do it... she has Roland Garros next, and she just can't allow herself to have these kind of yips there.

jelenacg
Feb 27th, 2009, 06:20 PM
I read that Ana is in Mallorca with her coach practicing according to our newspapers :)
Strange no paparazzi pictures this time :rolleyes::rolleyes:
http://www.blic.rs/sport.php?id=81079

bruce goose
Feb 27th, 2009, 07:00 PM
I read that Ana is in Mallorca with her coach practicing according to our newspapers :)
Strange no paparazzi pictures this time :rolleyes::rolleyes:
http://www.blic.rs/sport.php?id=81079Jelena,a good security team knows how to manage paparazzi deterrence.With these lowlife reporters,you don't have your security guys simply punch them in the face....NO!....You have them fracture the paparazzi's jaw severely so he has to eat his food with a straw for a month....Or you break some bones in his back so that he can't sleep in any comfortable positions for a long,long,long time.True,there might be a lawsuit but a top star can afford it and the word will eventually get around that you'll be deformed FOR LIFE if you invade so-and-so's property....That degree of pain is enough deterrent for ANYone,and that's how some intelligent celebrities have avoided paparazzi problems:cool:

gaviotabr
Feb 27th, 2009, 09:59 PM
I read that Ana is in Mallorca with her coach practicing according to our newspapers :)
Strange no paparazzi pictures this time :rolleyes::rolleyes:
http://www.blic.rs/sport.php?id=81079

Umm.. that's interesting! Thanks for the article Jelena!

Weird that there are no pictures or news about Ana in Mallorca... but she did buy the house so she could have a training base, so it's normal for her to go practice there. I have to say, though, that I thought she would be in the US, so that she would already be acclimatized with the time zone for the exhibition and for Indian Wells.

Charlieflip
Mar 1st, 2009, 05:14 PM
It's summer. We have had some pretty hot days the last couple of weeks. And it was also carnival this week, so lot's of parades and carnival parties going on.

I think I've never experienced such cold conditions. I was once in NY on winter.. it was really cold, like -10 celsius.. but I can't imagine how it must feel like -28 Celsius.

I'm excited to see Ana playing better and competing at a high level.. but I agree with you.. as I've said once, I think she still needs a week or 2 where everything works perfectly for her to regain the confidence she lost with everything that happened the past 8 months.

Actually I just got back from NY, its much warmer than you think! right now its around 5-10 Celsius :)
I agree with you about the comment on regain confidence, she's probably going to loose to Serena, and start becomming the old Ana after that. (hopefully).

I read that Ana is in Mallorca with her coach practicing according to our newspapers :)
Strange no paparazzi pictures this time :rolleyes::rolleyes:
http://www.blic.rs/sport.php?id=81079

Actually, Im pretty sure she arrived in NY like a week ago.

gaviotabr
Mar 2nd, 2009, 12:52 PM
Actually I just got back from NY, its much warmer than you think! right now its around 5-10 Celsius :)


Today it seems there will be some snow storms in NY. When I was there a couple of years ago, it was really cold, there was a lot of snow. It was my first time seeing snow... I was such a dork playing with it! :lol:

Charlieflip
Mar 2nd, 2009, 01:08 PM
really? wow. It wasnt even close to snow when I was around.

And for the good too, I see enough snow in sweden :P

gaviotabr
Mar 11th, 2009, 02:02 PM
Some more about Ana and Kardon, from ESPN's Bonnie Ford:

Ana Ivanovic is generally ebullient and outgoing in public, but she and her camp tend to be guarded about certain things, such as who gets to speak for them. Her new interim arrangement with coach Craig Kardon is no exception. After finishing a hitting session with the Serbian star before last week's Billie Jean King Cup exhibition at Madison Square Garden, which pitted Ivanovic and Jelena Jankovic against the Williams sisters, Kardon politely declined interview requests and said he had been asked not to comment until and unless he is formally hired.

Ivanovic has had a strong long-term working relationship with physical trainer Scott Byrnes but has long resisted the idea of taking on a full-time traveling coach, preferring to work part time with the savvy, genial Sven Groeneveld, whose services are available to all athletes under contract with Adidas -- except when they face another player in the Adidas stable. (Ivanovic will not work with Groeneveld while Kardon coaches her.) To her credit, Ivanovic realizes it's time to make a change. She hasn't won a tournament since her breakthrough Grand Slam title at last year's French Open and admitted her confidence suffered during an injury-marred second half of 2008.

Kardon's lengthy trial period began in mid-February and will last through two of the year's most important hard-court tournaments -- Indian Wells, where Ivanovic is the defending champion, and Miami. The 47-year-old former pro made his name as a very young coach starting in the late '80s, served as a development coach for the U.S. Tennis Association and has helped guide some stellar talent, including Martina Navratilova, Lindsay Davenport, Mary Pierce and Jennifer Capriati.

Another former charge, doubles specialist Lisa Raymond, still plays for Kardon every July on World TeamTennis' Philadelphia Freedom and considers him a friend. "Experience is one of the main things he brings to the table, having worked with so many top players in the past,'' Raymond said in an e-mail. "He is a hard worker, a good player and pushes you. I hope for him it works out.''


http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/columns/story?columnist=ford_bonnie_d&id=3968325

Interesting.. though she forgets that Ana won Linz.

jelenacg
Mar 11th, 2009, 02:36 PM
I was about to say the same thing :lol:
If you are going to write an article how about checking your facts first

SOA_MC
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:37 AM
Ana/Kardon partnership looking good to go beyond the trial period :worship:

How long are the standard player/coaches contracts in general?

Charlieflip
Apr 2nd, 2009, 07:45 PM
Actually, it just became offical that she has appointed him to be her full-time coach. His trial period is over.

Personally I think it's too early to say if its good or bad just yet, but I think Ana has grown since AO and whether that's Craig's work or not, it's still pleasing. After this month it will be easier to see the effects because they obviously will have a lot of time to train together.
Also, I trust in Ana's judgement. Nobody better than her should know if it's the right decision. If she thinks it's right, then it most probably is.

spiritedenergy
Apr 2nd, 2009, 08:01 PM
Hope this will turn out good. Idemo!:armed::unsure::scared:

gaviotabr
Apr 2nd, 2009, 09:58 PM
From Ana's web:

Ana hires Kardon
April 02, 2009 /


Ana has appointed American Craig Kardon as her full-time coach on a permanent basis. The pair worked together during a trial period over the past six weeks before Ana moved to formalize the coaching relationship, following a successful North American hard court season.

“I have enjoyed working with Craig,” said Ana, who reached the final of the BNP Paribas Open in Indian Wells a fortnight ago. “He’s a very nice guy and I am a fan of his coaching philosophy. I feel like I already improved some areas of my game and I’m excited to work with him in the future.”

Kardon will train with Ana in Europe ahead of the clay court season. An interview with the 47-year-old Texan will be published here shortly.

I think it was pretty much expected that she would hire him on a permanent basis. I believe Ana has a very good relationship with Kardon, and that was the deciding factor. Ana always seems to be the type of player who gives great value to having nice, easy going coaches around her. So in that way, it must have been the best decision.

Kardon as a coach brings some question marks to me.. like how he said the ball toss would work itself out.. or how Ana should just go to the net all the time. I think those things should be thought through. On the other hand, he seems to be giving importance to Ana's focus issues, which is IMHO key to all Ana's struggles. If he works on that and manages to do something good about it, I'll be sold on him.

I guess they will be having kind of a pre season for clay.. I hope they practice at least for 2 weeks, so Ana can be really ready for the 3 clay tournaments she will play. That's still her best surface and she should take advantage of it. I'm curious to see how she does and if she manages some consistency in her results.

I do have a weird feeling that Ana will do very well in Wimbledon though.. and all this net rushing will pay off. In a few months we'll see if my gut feeling was right or wrong.. :lol:

jelenacg
Apr 2nd, 2009, 11:39 PM
And I was wondering when would that trial period end
Izzy don`t jinx her about Wimbledon ,clay season hasn`t started yet :lol:
What do you mean 2 weeks they have at least 4 weeks until the Fed Cup
Last year was a little bit different bc i remember Ana saying that it was raining for a few days so she couldn`t practice and then they had 7 days preparation for Fed Cup on hard courts so that probably as she said affected her
She will train she is not stupid i hope :rolleyes::lol: she knows she had a lot to defend
:topic: Del Potro :worship::worship::worship::worship::kiss:

gaviotabr
Apr 2nd, 2009, 11:58 PM
And I was wondering when would that trial period end
Izzy don`t jinx her about Wimbledon ,clay season hasn`t started yet :lol:
What do you mean 2 weeks they have at least 4 weeks until the Fed Cup
Last year was a little bit different bc i remember Ana saying that it was raining for a few days so she couldn`t practice and then they had 7 days preparation for Fed Cup on hard courts so that probably as she said affected her
She will train she is not stupid i hope :rolleyes::lol: she knows she had a lot to defend
:topic: Del Potro :worship::worship::worship::worship::kiss:

Hi Jelena! :wavey:

No jinx!

I think Ana always takes holidays this time of the year.. Last year she spent a couple of weeks in Mexico, and she said she only did physical training, not tennis. I think she wil get at least a week off now. But anyway.. I hope she has a nice pre clay season with Kardon and she comes firing in Rome, Madrid and Roland Garros. Ana is, by far, the best clay courter on tour, she should take advantage of it.

Del Potro played amazing. The last games of the third set were of the highest quality. Rafa wasn't at his best though..

jelenacg
Apr 3rd, 2009, 12:02 AM
Yes Rafa wasn`t near his best but great win for Del Potro
And Caro is watching Fernando ,i guess it`s true that they are dating
And to think i felt sorry for him after Ana dumped him :tape::lol:

The Daviator
Apr 3rd, 2009, 12:20 AM
Just please make her serve well again Craig, that's all.

Rafa :sad: Can't believe he blew *3-0 lead in the last set :smash:

gaviotabr
Apr 3rd, 2009, 12:27 AM
Yes Rafa wasn`t near his best but great win for Del Potro
And Caro is watching Fernando ,i guess it`s true that they are dating
And to think i felt sorry for him after Ana dumped him :tape::lol:

Is she? Haven't seen her yet..

Well.. I guess it's true they are together.. she is a bit young for him.. :lol: We now know why he is sucking big time. Whenever Verdasco was watching one of Ana's matches, she would lose. Karma.. :lol:

Yes... I don't feel sorry for him at all. :o I'm sure Ana had good reasons..

gaviotabr
Apr 3rd, 2009, 12:32 AM
Just please make her serve well again Craig, that's all.

YES! Please.. She needs to get her serve back.. when she is serving well, it seems that everything in her game works.

Rafa :sad: Can't believe he blew *3-0 lead in the last set :smash:

Uff.. that was tough.. but Rafa was totally tired.

jelenacg
Apr 3rd, 2009, 12:35 AM
Is she? Haven't seen her yet..

Well.. I guess it's true they are together.. she is a bit young for him.. :lol: We now know why he is sucking big time. Whenever Verdasco was watching one of Ana's matches, she would lose. Karma.. :lol:

Yes... I don't feel sorry for him at all. :o I'm sure Ana had good reasons..

Yes they showed her for a second at the beginning,she was wearing a cap ,i`m pretty sure it was Caro
He sucking a big time is a good thing actually ,it means things are finally coming back to their places :lol::lol::angel:
Ana playing good and he well playing like he always did :lol:

gaviotabr
Apr 3rd, 2009, 12:40 AM
Yes they showed her for a second at the beginning,she was wearing a cap ,i`m pretty sure it was Caro
He sucking a big time is a good thing actually ,it means things are finally coming back to their places :lol::lol::angel:
Ana playing good and he well playing like he always did :lol:

:lol:

I hope it means Ana will play better and better from now on. :lol:

spiritedenergy
Apr 3rd, 2009, 01:05 AM
Yes they showed her for a second at the beginning,she was wearing a cap ,i`m pretty sure it was Caro
He sucking a big time is a good thing actually ,it means things are finally coming back to their places :lol::lol::angel:
Ana playing good and he well playing like he always did :lol:

Hi guys and gals:wavey:

Yes i was thinking the same, Verdasco having great results and Ana exiting in the first rounds... when will the world come back to normality?:lol::p

jelenacg
Apr 3rd, 2009, 01:19 AM
Hi guys and gals:wavey:

Yes i was thinking the same, Verdasco having great results and Ana exiting in the first rounds... when will the world come back to normality?:lol::p

Very soon, judging from what we saw just now :lol::lol:
Fernando :wavey::lol:

gaviotabr
Apr 3rd, 2009, 01:20 AM
Hi guys and gals:wavey:

Yes i was thinking the same, Verdasco having great results and Ana exiting in the first rounds... when will the world come back to normality?:lol::p

Hi Luca! :wavey:

Well.. the match is over.. :lol:

C'mon Ana! Practice hard that serve and be back at full force for the clay season!

I wonder where Ana will be practising with Kardon.. Mallorca?

jelenacg
Apr 3rd, 2009, 01:25 AM
Probably, Spain=clay :)
And then Fed Cup also in Spain :)

bruce goose
Apr 3rd, 2009, 02:08 AM
:lol:

I hope it means Ana will play better and better from now on. :lol:Don't understand where all of the 'Nando hate is coming from:confused:;I'll bet you that he won't introduce Caro to his parents as he did with Ana.Perhaps he just wanted a more serious commitment from Ana...and she simply didn't feel ready for that.If you have any evidence against him aside from girly gossip,then I'd like to hear it via PM...after all,we don't want to clutter Ana's thread too much with that men's tennis crap...such as your excuses for poor El Retrasado(that's "The Retard" for you non-Spanish speakers)losing to Argentine Frankenstein(that has a nice rhyme to it:cool:)

Balltossovic
Apr 3rd, 2009, 03:01 AM
How do we know Ana did the dumping? :unsure:

What's wrong with Fernando:confused: I like him:)

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 3rd, 2009, 03:28 AM
Now that the trial period is over, maybe Coach Kardon is getting paid more, and we'll see better results.:p

Charlieflip
Apr 3rd, 2009, 09:29 PM
Don't understand where all of the 'Nando hate is coming from:confused:;I'll bet you that he won't introduce Caro to his parents as he did with Ana.Perhaps he just wanted a more serious commitment from Ana...and she simply didn't feel ready for that.If you have any evidence against him aside from girly gossip,then I'd like to hear it via PM...after all,we don't want to clutter Ana's thread too much with that men's tennis crap...such as your excuses for poor El Retrasado(that's "The Retard" for you non-Spanish speakers)losing to Argentine Frankenstein(that has a nice rhyme to it:cool:)

Couldn't agree more, I can't see the link between him and her downfall?

btw wizard hater; what do you say about the win against cavs ;)

bruce goose
Apr 3rd, 2009, 10:40 PM
btw wizard hater; what do you say about the win against cavs ;)Actually,they're my favorite team;those insults you see are my exasperation with their litany of failure:help:...Thanks for your support in not blaming FV for Ana's losses,btw;)

gaviotabr
Apr 3rd, 2009, 10:51 PM
Actually,they're my favorite team;those insults you see are my exasperation with their litany of failure:help:...Thanks for your support in not blaming FV for Ana's losses,btw;)

No one was blaming Verdasco for Ana's losses. We were just joking around... we all just hope Ana gets better and better.

Ana's losses and slump is, unfortunately, her own fault. Even if the relationship with Verdasco had an effect on her, if she let it get to her tennis, it's still her own fault. I don't think so.. I think there are plenty of other factors that were part of the bad form... I'll repeat, we were just joking around, because Verdasco suddenly started to play better about the same time Ana started to play worse. And now it seems that the trend is reversing.. but it's just an easy joke.

gaviotabr
Apr 3rd, 2009, 10:52 PM
How do we know Ana did the dumping? :unsure:

What's wrong with Fernando:confused: I like him:)

He implyed it himself in interviews for the spanish media after the AO.

But I don't think we should be discussing this in this thread..

spiritedenergy
Apr 3rd, 2009, 11:00 PM
yes we were joking:p

But now that i think of it, Ana started to play really badly at US Open (in Montreal she was injured, in Wimbledon she had a typical tank), and that was when she met Verdasco... But at the same time that was the first time she was playing after the injury, so it may be as well the injury the main factor of her slump (most probably:p)

bruce goose
Apr 3rd, 2009, 11:02 PM
No one was blaming Verdasco for Ana's losses. We were just joking around... we all just hope Ana gets better and better.

Honestly,I only added that quick comment b/c 'Charlie Flip' was discussing basketball with me,and I felt obligated to post SOMEthing Ana-related.I really wasn't that upset over the joking around,just sad for both people that it didn't work out.

I mentioned Navratilova as a potential counselor for Ana while she was in the midst of her slump last year,so it was kind of a weird thrill when Ana went with Martina's COACH.To see her bounce back hard would be an even BIGGER thrill.

The apology is in the Rome thread,btw....I'm feeling sick and need to move.......

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 3rd, 2009, 11:42 PM
Actually,they're my favorite team;those insults you see are my exasperation with their litany of failure:help:

:topic: "Bad news Bears" became an obsolete saying yesterday, at approximately 5 pm central time.:cool:
Maybe we could use an alternate western sports thread.:drink:

Balltossovic
Apr 4th, 2009, 01:12 AM
He implyed it himself in interviews for the spanish media after the AO.

But I don't think we should be discussing this in this thread..
Oh I see. But you guys were the ones discussing it on the previous page I just asked a question:)

gaviotabr
Apr 4th, 2009, 02:00 AM
Oh I see. But you guys were the ones discussing it on the previous page I just asked a question:)

I'm sorry! I didn't mean to say that to you, but in general, to everyone.. ;)

Balltossovic
Apr 4th, 2009, 02:04 AM
Sorry!!:rolls: I get so confused on these boards:lol:

gaviotabr
Apr 4th, 2009, 02:17 AM
Sorry!!:rolls: I get so confused on these boards:lol:

It's okay! Me too! :lol::lol::lol:

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 7th, 2009, 01:44 AM
Coach Kardon interviewed
http://www.anaivanovic.com/?path=start/news&detailpage=1500

April 07, 2009 /


Tell us about your tennis background.
I played a lot of tennis and golf from the age of about 11. I liked tennis better because it’s more active. I played national level juniors and travelled to Europe for junior tournaments. I then won a tennis scholarship to the University of Texas and after I graduated I was ranked in the 200s in singles and doubles on the ATP Tour.

After that I was a national coach for the United States Tennis Association and I began working with Martina Navratilova in 1988. I was in my late 20s at the time. I was with her for six years and worked with many players after she retired, including Mary Pierce, Lindsay Davenport, Xavier Malisse, Vince Spadea and Jennifer Capriati.

How would you describe your coaching philosophy?
I individualize my philosophy for each player because each player is different. I like to encourage attacking tennis, especially with someone like Ana who has so much firepower and potential to dominate. It’s all about imposing your game on your opponent.

My philosophy is more about taking the skills that the player has and improving them to get the best out of their game, including tactics, strategy and shot selection.

Which areas of her game does Ana need to work on the most?
She’s still developing in all areas, which is exciting considering the success she has already had. She’s 21, so her technique is pretty much set and we’re not looking to change much there. Ana is an instinctive player and she’s told me she’s at her best when she’s not worrying about perfect technique – in any case her technique is pretty damn good!

I want to work more on imposing her return game and I want her to play more attacking points on the return of serve. I want to increase her confidence so she can finish points at the net: she has excellent volley technique.

You have followed Ana for a number of years. Are there any matches in particular that stand out?
The Australian Open semi-final where she came back after that first set debacle against Hantuchova stands out. Even though she lost the first set 6-0, she remained calm and she regrouped. She noticed her opponent’s confidence was shrinking and she cut down her own errors: her game improved during the match, which is the sign of a champion.

Of course, her play during the French Open last year was equally impressive.

Which do you think is Ana’s best surface?
Ana is fortunate in that she is an all-court player. She’s obviously had some great success on clay, but I think that with her aggressive game she can be a real force on grass. Some of my personal coaching highs have come at Wimbledon, and I’d love to see her do very well there.

Is Ana easier or harder to coach than you expected?
I had heard only good things about Ana and her professionalism from my friends on the Tour before I started working with her, so I sort of knew that she was going to be easy to work with. But what took me by surprise is how motivated she is to learn.

She’s very good at implementing new suggestions. It really helps that we agree on how she should build on her own game: the entire team shares that philosophy and we enjoy working together.

spiritedenergy
Apr 7th, 2009, 01:54 AM
Thanks Jonny :wavey:

so quiet in here these days:o:lol:

Nice interview, this attacking game scares a me a little bit but I really hope Ana will be fired up for Wimbledon:hearts:::kiss:
He also agrees with me about Ana-Hantuchova as a standout:angel:

gaviotabr
Apr 7th, 2009, 03:44 PM
Nice interview. Not really deep, though it couldn't have been, otherwise it would be giving inside info to the opponents.

Three things stand out for me:

1 - He says that he wants her to play more agressive in returns. In the matches I saw of Ana in IW, she was often going for return winners, and putting a lot of pressure in her opponents serve. It led to some erractic play at times, but she was breaking serve a whole lot of times. That is good. I wish he would say that he is going to work on Ana's serve. It's such an important part of her game.. and she has been struggling so much with it lately, that is should be receiving especial atention. She lost to Szavay, for an example, because she simply couldn't hold serve. It's a big liability in Ana's game right now and it used to be a strength.. they need to get her serve together.

2 - He insists in the net rushing. I think it great that Ana is going to the net often. But he has to realize that she mostly does it on the wrong time. Ifshe goes after a good and deep approach shot, she is absolutely great at the net.. very good touch and a big reach. But she is mostly going blindly.. and while she will win a lot of points, she will also look stupid whenever she faces a player who can hit passing shots. I think that going to the net is great for her game, but when done at the right moment. I hope Craig works on that as well.

3 - The match against Hantuchova was, IMO, on of the matches where Ana was stronger mentally. She kept her composure during the entire 3 sets, never gave up, never looked defeated, was never really pissed of at herself for losing the first set that badly. She was determined and was able to lift her game and get focused during a match. I think Ana lacks that nowadays. It seems that she can recover for a while, but can't mantain it.. like she uses all her energy to draw level at the match, and then relaxes. That's also something that needs work. Since he liked that match so much, like I did, I hope he brings that spirit back to Ana.

gaviotabr
Apr 7th, 2009, 03:48 PM
I'm also worried for clay. Ana has been so impacient lately... clay demands patience. And Craig seems more excited about grass..

jelenacg
Apr 7th, 2009, 04:38 PM
I'm also worried for clay. Ana has been so impacient lately... clay demands patience. And Craig seems more excited about grass..

Yes what`s with that grass,grass,grass...:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Clay season hasn`t even started and he is talking about grass
I know it would be great for her and him if she could have a good result on grass
But be real man if she doesn`t have good results during clay season she won`t have them on grass either
First goal is that she must win some title before RG ,i really think she needs it
Then she needs to try to defend her title or at least not lose before second week:tape:
And she has a great game for clay so he better not ruined it with her rushing to the net

gaviotabr
Apr 7th, 2009, 04:42 PM
Yes what`s with that grass,grass,grass...:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Clay season hasn`t even started and he is talking about grass
I know it would be great for her and him if she could have a good result on grass
But be real man if she doesn`t have good results during clay season she won`t have them on grass either
First goal is that she must win some title before RG ,i really think she needs it
Then she needs to try to defend her title or at least not lose before second week:tape:
And she has a great game for clay so he better not ruined it with her rushing to the net

Agreed Jelena. I hope they realize she can't play this game on clay, that she needs to be patient.. They should focus on clay, it's clearly Ana's best surface and she should take advantage of it.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Apr 7th, 2009, 04:53 PM
Nice interview. Not really deep, though it couldn't have been, otherwise it would be giving inside info to the opponents.

Three things stand out for me:

1 - He says that he wants her to play more agressive in returns. In the matches I saw of Ana in IW, she was often going for return winners, and putting a lot of pressure in her opponents serve. It led to some erractic play at times, but she was breaking serve a whole lot of times. That is good. I wish he would say that he is going to work on Ana's serve. It's such an important part of her game.. and she has been struggling so much with it lately, that is should be receiving especial atention. She lost to Szavay, for an example, because she simply couldn't hold serve. It's a big liability in Ana's game right now and it used to be a strength.. they need to get her serve together.

2 - He insists in the net rushing. I think it great that Ana is going to the net often. But he has to realize that she mostly does it on the wrong time. Ifshe goes after a good and deep approach shot, she is absolutely great at the net.. very good touch and a big reach. But she is mostly going blindly.. and while she will win a lot of points, she will also look stupid whenever she faces a player who can hit passing shots. I think that going to the net is great for her game, but when done at the right moment. I hope Craig works on that as well.

3 - The match against Hantuchova was, IMO, on of the matches where Ana was stronger mentally. She kept her composure during the entire 3 sets, never gave up, never looked defeated, was never really pissed of at herself for losing the first set that badly. She was determined and was able to lift her game and get focused during a match. I think Ana lacks that nowadays. It seems that she can recover for a while, but can't mantain it.. like she uses all her energy to draw level at the match, and then relaxes. That's also something that needs work. Since he liked that match so much, like I did, I hope he brings that spirit back to Ana.


This sounds like she's listening, but that Craig isn't using the remote for 100%.
Ana is stubborn as hell, but at least she goes more to the way he want her to play.
But Craig said that the balltoss will fix itself. There's a chance she listens cause it's still a mess. But why doesn't she listen to the positive things?
Her serve definitely needs the most attention. You can build a whole gameplan around the serve, but if the serve doesn't work, the plan won't work either.
With Ana's length and power, she can make her serve really deadly.
Way more important than to improve the returns, cause those are already good.

She's good on clay and hardcourt. Now the volley's must improve her grass game, so that's for sure a good thing.

The Hantuchova match was a great comeback. Kinda the same as in Luxembourg. All that toughness just dissapeared after winning RG.
It's certainly not that she only can put her energy at 1 set.
She's really fit and I guess that just her game was is mess, rather than being tired.

gaviotabr
Apr 7th, 2009, 05:13 PM
The Hantuchova match was a great comeback. Kinda the same as in Luxembourg. All that toughness just dissapeared after winning RG.
It's certainly not that she only can put her energy at 1 set.
She's really fit and I guess that just her game was is mess, rather than being tired.

Agreed that all that toughness disapeared after RG.

I didn't mean that she gets tired. Not at all.. Ana is extremely fit and she never seems tired. What I meant is that she uses all her mental energy in coming back to draw level.. and in the third set she just seems flat emotionally... she goes away mentally. Not tired physically. I still think the way she has been losing these third sets have much more to do with her mental game than her actual tennis game.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Apr 7th, 2009, 05:32 PM
Agreed that all that toughness disapeared after RG.

I didn't mean that she gets tired. Not at all.. Ana is extremely fit and she never seems tired. What I meant is that she uses all her mental energy in coming back to draw level.. and in the third set she just seems flat emotionally... she goes away mentally. Not tired physically. I still think the way she has been losing these third sets have much more to do with her mental game than her actual tennis game.

And that's really unexplainable.
She came back from 1-5 in the 3rd set against Golovin in 2004. Just the start of her career. Then showed it many times after that.
UNTILL she wins the biggest title possible.
Sadly that's not the only problem. Cause most matches are just bad from start till end. Being tough helps her now and then, but not as much as before.


And her team being blind.....
Maybe not blind, but just a lack of knowledge. Her family always support her of course, but can't do much more than that.
Scott is for the fitness and that's just really what he does.
The rest is just doing her business around the tennis.
Hittingspartners just doing the thing that her coach tells them.
So besides Craig and Sven there are no people who can really help her to improve her game.
The coach is doing the whole job. But is it so hard to have someone who just analysis Ana's whole game and find a why to improve it?
And who also can help with information about opponents.
I'm sure she doesn't have someone like that, but I guess that counts for the most players.

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 7th, 2009, 10:12 PM
I'm also worried for clay. Ana has been so impacient lately... clay demands patience. And Craig seems more excited about grass..

Yes what`s with that grass,grass,grass...:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Clay season hasn`t even started and he is talking about grass
I know it would be great for her and him if she could have a good result on grass
But be real man if she doesn`t have good results during clay season she won`t have them on grass either


i agree, he should be focused on making her a "real force" on clay before mentioning he want her to be a "real force on grass." When that time comes, great, but anyone could have guessed he likes grass.:cuckoo: I guess he wasnt Navratilova's coach for the whole 1980's, not even the most of it, but considering she played Eastbourne every year in the 1980's and won 7 times, and of course her Wimbledon success, no kidding he likes grass.
And she had good results at Roland Garros before those events as well.
But tennis players sucked back then.:lol::rolls::weirdo::weirdo:
on the other hand, Ana is #7 in the YEC race now, and hasnt done anything this year, so maybe its not so great now either.
Anyway, clay season is twice as many tournaments, and much more more important. It is probably just an innocent response that he likes grass.

bruce goose
Apr 7th, 2009, 10:41 PM
Anyway, clay season is twice as many tournaments, and much more more important. It is probably just an innocent response that he likes grass.Innocent??We'll see how innocent he is if he comes down to Mexico and seeks out one of our most popular tourist attractions amongst empty-headed,European & American youth.We are well known for producing highly-appealing grass.It's not my thing at all,but I can accept it if Craig gets himself a stash of Acapulco Gold...as long as he doesn't share his supply with Ana:eek:...it would seriously dull her reflexes in big matches

The Daviator
Apr 7th, 2009, 10:57 PM
My impression of Kardon so far is that he's in a bit of a timewarp :unsure: I mean, trying to turn Ana into Martina Nav won't work on grass these days! When did he last coach a pro player?

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 7th, 2009, 11:00 PM
Innocent??We'll see how innocent he is if he comes down to Mexico and seeks out one of our most popular tourist attractions amongst empty-headed,European & American youth.We are well known for producing highly-appealing grass.It's not my thing at all..

yeahh, uh-huh, sure, I believe you.;) Youve only brought up Mexican peyote a dozen times or so in this forum. The evidence is mounting against you, Bruce.:silly:

bruce goose
Apr 7th, 2009, 11:05 PM
yeahh, uh-huh, sure, I believe you.;) Youve only brought up Mexican peyote a dozen times or so in this forum. The evidence is mounting against you, Bruce.:silly:Forgive me,J-Royale,I re-read your post and clearly you were referring to tennis surfaces on THIS occasion.It's just that you remind me of someone I knew who used to write poems to his gf after using 'magic mushrooms'...then again,it's pro'bly just poor spelling on your part as opposed to any chemical influence;)

I sure hope that Ana's illness last year following her visit to Mexico had nothing to do with peyote:eek:....I'd blame Sven for that

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 7th, 2009, 11:12 PM
Forgive me,J-Royale,I re-read your post and clearly you were referring to tennis surfaces
:clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:
your buzz must be wearing off:lol:

bruce goose
Apr 7th, 2009, 11:16 PM
:clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:
your buzz must be wearing off:lol:Just out of curiosity:When you posted that you wanted to go watch Ana play at the Ordina Open,was that b/c you were hoping to receive 'free pain-relief medication' from those lenient Dutch pharmacies??;)

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 7th, 2009, 11:35 PM
My grammar and spelling is pretty bad, but you could really use a geography lesson. Theres a better chance ill say something about going to Acapulco before the Ordina Open. Now be serious Bruce! This is a serious thread.

bruce goose
Apr 7th, 2009, 11:43 PM
My grammar and spelling is pretty bad, but you could really use a geography lesson. Theres a better chance ill say something about going to Acapulco before the Ordina Open. Now be serious Bruce! This is a serious thread.Okay:angel:,then I'll be serious in saying that I'd like to see Ana play some tournaments here as she did when she was a junior.When she only comes here for a couple days' vacation,then it gives me the idea that she doesn't care for us too much:sad:

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 8th, 2009, 12:02 AM
Okay:angel:,then I'll be serious in saying that I'd like to see Ana play some tournaments here as she did when she was a junior.When she only comes here for a couple days' vacation,then it gives me the idea that she doesn't care for us too much:sad:

she doesnt have a real good history in Mexico. Got sick last year after going there before FedCUp.
And juniors...

December 16-22, 2002
Juniors-25th International Casablanca Tennis Junior Cup, Tlalnepantla,Mexico
Indoor
R1: bye
R2: Alicia Serrano (Mexico) 3-2 Ivanovic Retired:tape:

December 22-28 2002
Juniors-17th Yucatan Cup, Merida,Mexico
Indoor
R1: Vilma Macheda (Italy) Walkover for Ivanovic
R2: Natasha Kersten (Australia) 1-6 1-6:tape:

well.....:unsure:... hopefully youll find a way to see her play somewhere, someday.:)

gaviotabr
May 12th, 2009, 04:30 PM
A long feature on Craig Kardon. It's interesting.. the end got me worried though.. he says he is not even sure Ana will be able to play RG. I guess the injury might be more serious.. :sad: I think if she is not okay to play, she should skip it. It's really bad luck.. and sad not to be able to even attempt to defend the title, but I suppose it's better than play unhealthy, risk a worse injury and lose in the first round anyway. :sobbing:

Steve Flink: One on One with Craig Kardon
5/11/2009 12:00:00 AM


AP Photo
by Steve Flink

Across the first half of 2008, one of the game’s brightest personalities fully captured the imagination of the public. That was none other than Ana Ivanovic. She was playing the kind of tennis that could take her almost anywhere she wanted to go. The fans responded to her exhilarating style of play with unabashed enthusiasm practically anywhere she went. Ivanovic had it all going for her. She reached the final of the Australian Open last year before losing to a nearly impeccable Maria Sharapova. At Roland Garros, she collected her first major championship, ruling on the red clay by completing a terrific fortnight with victories over Jelena Jankovic and Dinara Safina.

The enormously attractive Ivanovic--- who had finished 2007 at No. 4 in the world--- concluded 2008 at No. 5. She fell into a difficult slump during the second half of the year. At the start of 2009, she continued to struggle inordinately, losing in the third round of the Australian Open to Alisa Kleybanova. But the following month, she brought in a new coach on a trial basis. The highly regarded Craig Kardon stepped into that role in February at Dubai, and he took over that position on a full time, official basis during the Sony Ericsson Championships in Miami.

Kardon brings a wealth of experience to the job. His first major coaching stint was with Martina Navratilova from 1988 to 1994. In the years since, he has worked with Lindsay Davenport, Mary Pierce, Lisa Raymond, Alexandra Stevenson and others as a coach. Kardon understands the mentality of champions, recognizes the potential pitfalls, and seems to have a knack for making his players believe in themselves. Although Ivanovic at the moment is still confronting some daunting problems--- she hurt her knee last week in Rome, pulled out of Madrid this week, and her status for a possible defense at Roland Garros is questionable--- Kardon will have the chance later this year, and hopefully in the years ahead, to bring the best out of a player he is convinced will in the long run recover herself her conviction and achieve great things again.


I spoke with Kardon late last week by phone. Despite Ivanovic’s predicament, he sounded upbeat about the prospects for Ivanovic to eventually move back to the top of her game. “I really think Ana is a champion,” he says. “She can do really well in this game but she just needs some direction. Ana is young. She’s only 21. I believe she has a very good career ahead of her. She is still getting used to her own game, getting used to competing as a professional day in and day out. I am more of a patient, long term thinker. Young professionals at Ana’s level want it all right now, every week. Ana is very hard on herself, almost too tough on herself. She expects to win every match every week, which is both good and bad. But I have worked with some other champions, and that is how they think.”


As he recalls his initial conversations with Ivanovic after they started working together, Kardon made certain that she realized precisely how he felt about the state of her game. As he puts it, “Basically the first thing I told her was that her game is fine. It does not need to be fixed. What she needs is confidence. She needs to believe that what she has is good enough. She just has to make the weapons she has better. I told her she needed to trust her game.”


Having said that, Kardon knew he could also encourage her to add some elements to the already advanced structure of her game to more thoroughly exploit her considerable strengths. “I tried to change a few things,” he clarifies. “I wanted her to come to the net more to recognize the opportunities she creates for herself with her big forehand. Ana has got one of the best inside-out forehands in the game. It is a bit of a flat shot and a lot of coaches and critics argue that she basically hits the ball too flat. I don’t think so. Every professional athlete has a style of their own. You can criticize that style or you can shape it to make it a little better. I am just trying to shape it to make it better.”


Coach Kardon has also been grooming Ivanovic to make her superior at the net. As he explains, “I have tried to solidify her volleys a bit more. We have worked on her volley technique to make her backhand volley more solid and to help Ana get more under the ball on her forehand volley. She has pretty good technique already, but I wanted to make her even more solid to where she is hitting crisp volleys and not just kind of carving the ball so much.”


Kardon has learned many lessons from joining forces with so many leading players over the years. Being on and off the tour for more than 20 years with a wide range of players and personalities has made him value the notion of being prudent about when and where to convey tactical or technical thoughts to his players. Putting his coaching philosophy into perspective, he asserts, “I have learned to really trust my instincts but I know not to get too emotional right away about implementing every idea I have with their game. You really have to pick your spots to present your ideas and sometimes you have to sell them. Sometimes you have to take out the stat book and look at what the player did in certain matches. And other times you get this five minute window of opportunity to get an idea across when you least expect it. That could be something subtle that you have been harping on for months and months and all of a sudden the player has a flashbulb moment and they get it right then and there.”


It is indeed a precarious business for coaches in professional tennis. They can never be absolutely certain of their status. They can’t ever get too comfortable because relationships with players are constantly evolving and subject to unexpected and even sweeping developments. Kardon knows well that in his shoes you have no alternative but to be philosophical. You simply try your hardest, hope for the best, and realize that the rest is up to chance.


As Kardon explains, “You just have to be confident about your ideas and disciplined with your player. You have to be patient. That is the most important thing. Billie Jean King gave me a tip long ago that was really important. For professional coaches in tennis, the merry go round can be incredible. You never know when you might be fired. Billie Jean told me that you have to walk on the court every day prepared to get fired for what you believe in. I have always held onto that thought. And it has helped me to really believe what I believe and stand by that. Because it comes down to this: if you don’t trust what you are telling the player, they know it. You can’t be just telling them things just to make them feel better or throwing ideas out there because you simply think you should. Sometimes it is better not to say anything and just display quiet confidence. That can say a lot to a player. Your presence and support and the player knowing that you know what is going on can give them confidence and make a big difference.”


Those are not idle words spoken by someone with only remote knowledge of what life is like for those in the arena. Kardon carries around powerful and provocative memories of his time with top of the line players he has guided. He says, “Martina Navratilova was great and I learned a lot from her in our six years together. I was only 27 when I started working with her. Lindsay Davenport was only 18 at the time I began coaching her and I probably pushed too hard for her to be more aggressive. Mary Pierce was interesting. She was ranked about 15 in the world when we started and she went up to 5 and we got along great, as we still do."


“With Mary I learned when to take that five minute window and drive a truck through it because most of the time she didn’t want a lot of input. With her I was able to say the right thing at the right time. We knew when to analyze and when to push hard, even if we did not always agree. I also worked with the USTA which was great since I got to help with the young kids. I also worked with Xavier Malisse at Wimbledon and I was coaching Alexandra Stevenson when she got to the semifinals of Wimbledon [in 1999]. I have enjoyed all the work.”


At this point, he is eager to do all he can to make Ana Ivanovic realize her full potential. Understandably, the results have not come overnight. Ivanovic has performed with sporadic brilliance, yet she has not been the same commanding player who was often such a breathtaking performer during the first half of 2008. Kardon is determined to use his coaching acumen to bring renewed vigor to a player he respects without reservations.


Their highlight as a team thus far was at Indian Wells in March, when Ivanovic made a spirited run to the final before losing in straight sets to Vera Zvonareva. The conditions that day in California were almost impossibly bad, with the wind blowing ferociously throughout the match. In the end, Zvonareva had the edge that day because her game is much more percentage oriented and she takes fewer risks than the adventuresome Ivanovic. Ivanovic was much more severely compromised that day.


"“The conditions were horrendous,” recalls Kardon. “It was really bad. If you weren’t there you can’t appreciate what it was like. But Ana had two or three set points in the first set and I think if she could have gotten through that set she would have been fine.”


From Indian Wells, Kardon and Ivanovic went to Miami. Ivanovic faced Agnes Szavay in the third round and lost that contest 6-4, 4-6, 6-1. Says Kardon, “Ana was a bit emotional during that match. She needs to not allow herself to get worked up over things she can’t control and that is true of every professional player. You tend to let your mind wander and worry about things that you probably should not be worrying about. You need to just play tennis, but that is easier said than done.”


All told, Kardon has been encouraged about Ivanovic’s play the last couple of months. But last week was a tough one for the Serbian. She played the Italian Open in Rome. In the round of 16, Ivanovic built a 4-0 lead in the final set over Agnieszka Radwanska, but could not close the deal. As Kardon comments, “She had played well in Rome. It had rained for about four hours and then she played a night match against Francesca Schiavone. I have never seen Ana more controlled emotionally, tactically, and strategically. She was almost perfect. Her first serve percentage was above 70% the whole match and she made so few unforced errors. After that match, she had some physical problems with the knee issue and a toe issue. But I thought she would be able to get through Radwanska and she almost did. She was playing great after losing the first set and she went up 4-0 in the third. But Radwanska raised her game quite a bit and Ana did not take advantage of some opportunities down the stretch. She had several opportunities to come to the net and just didn’t do it.”


As we spoke last Friday, Kardon was waiting to find out just how serious the Ivanovic knee injury would be. He knew it was a big deal for her to pull out of Madrid this week, but still hoped she would be ready to give herself a chance to defend her crown at Roland Garros.


"Obviously the pressure is on her and she is feeling it for the French. Right now I am not sure if she is even going to be able to play the French Open because of this knee injury. I know her confidence is still pretty high and her level of play is good enough for Ana to win it again. That being said, we are looking at a bit of a hiccup [for her] after losing from 4-0 up in the third in Rome, and she has got the injury problem. But that might take the pressure off her going into the French if she can play it. That is how I would approach it with her. With a player like Ana who has won Roland Garros and made it to another major final when nobody expected her to, and then reached No. 1 in the world, there are a lot of expectations that people put on her. She just has to keep building her game and letting her game grow. That is how I am looking at it.”


In the final analysis, Kardon is entirely optimistic about where Ana Ivanovic is going from here. Making a long term prognosis, he concludes, “She just needs to not be too tough on herself and she will be fine. She can win a few more Slams. I really believe that.”


Steve Flink is a weekly contributor to tennischannel.com


http://www.tennischannel.com/news/NewsDetails.aspx?newsid=5312

jelenacg
May 12th, 2009, 05:04 PM
Well i don`t know what`s wrong with her knee obviously but i think it`s a matter of resting her knee
Just look at Serena,she didn`t rest her knee bc of stupid WTA rules,and now she only made it worse
I still think and hope she will play RG

InsideOut.
May 12th, 2009, 05:11 PM
Oh noes :sobbing: But if she has to rest the knee, then so be it. It's better for the long term anyway :sobbing:

spiritedenergy
May 12th, 2009, 05:19 PM
she can win a few more slams... why not say many?:rolleyes:

gaviotabr
May 12th, 2009, 05:24 PM
Well i don`t know what`s wrong with her knee obviously but i think it`s a matter of resting her knee
Just look at Serena,she didn`t rest her knee bc of stupid WTA rules,and now she only made it worse
I still think and hope she will play RG

Yes.. I also still have hope..

Oh noes :sobbing: But if she has to rest the knee, then so be it. It's better for the long term anyway :sobbing:

I guess they have the experience with the thumb injury.. if Ana is fit she will play, if not, than not.

gaviotabr
May 12th, 2009, 05:25 PM
she can win a few more slams... why not say many?:rolleyes:

:lol: It's that he really believes Luca.. :rolleyes:

spiritedenergy
May 12th, 2009, 05:26 PM
:lol: It's that he really believes Luca.. :rolleyes:

Then he's not a good coach... he should believe she can win 20 if she wants to win a few. If she believes she can win a few, she will win no more:rolleyes::p

jelenacg
May 12th, 2009, 05:31 PM
she can win a few more slams... why not say many?:rolleyes:

It depends how you see things ,for example i only saw this word more slams :lol::lol:
So she had some problems with her knee after her match with Francesca
Stupid knee,thumb :rolleyes:

gaviotabr
May 12th, 2009, 05:32 PM
Then he's not a good coach... he should believe she can win 20 if she wants to win a few. If she believes she can win a few, she will win no more:rolleyes::p

Agreed. I'm not really liking his interviews lately, to be honest.. :o

spiritedenergy
May 12th, 2009, 05:40 PM
Agreed. I'm not really liking his interviews lately, to be honest.. :o

:lol: I noticed that:p Honestly, he seems too nice and passer-by mentality, or happy go lucky or laid-back or whatever you want to call it. Ana needs someone who can stimulate her and motivate her... but we'll see, he may be good for developing her game but somehow i don't think he will stay long.:rolleyes:

gaviotabr
May 12th, 2009, 05:41 PM
But that might take the pressure off her going into the French if she can play it. That is how I would approach it with her. With a player like Ana who has won Roland Garros and made it to another major final when nobody expected her to, and then reached No. 1 in the world, there are a lot of expectations that people put on her. She just has to keep building her game and letting her game grow. That is how I am looking at it.

I feel like there is no belief.. even if we all know it would take a miracle for Ana to defend her title, if she plays, she should always go into the tournament with the firm belief she can and will win it. If she doesn't, at any difficult moment the doubt will creep into her game, and it's all downhill from there. Ana and her coach should have all the belief in the world.. this thing that he says about taking the pressure away is pure :bs: to me and just sounds like lack of belief.

gaviotabr
May 12th, 2009, 05:43 PM
:lol: I noticed that:p Honestly, he seems too nice and passer-by mentality, or happy go lucky or laid-back or whatever you want to call it. Ana needs someone who can stimulate her and motivate her... but we'll see, he may be good for developing her game but somehow i don't think he will stay long.:rolleyes:

I guess if Ana doesn't qualify for the YEC he will be gone. I'm sure Ana has a lot of ambition in her, so she won't put up with bad result after bad result for another year, without trying a new coach. I hope it doesn't get to that though.. :sad:

spiritedenergy
May 12th, 2009, 05:43 PM
I feel like there is no belief.. even if we all know it would take a miracle for Ana to defend her title, if she plays, she should always go into the tournament with the firm belief she can and will win it. If she doesn't, at any difficult moment the doubt will creep into her game, and it's all downhill from there. Ana and her coach should have all the belief in the world.. this thing that he says about taking the pressure away is pure :bs: to me and just sounds like lack of belief.

yes also agree on this. It's true Ana puts too much pressure on herself, but this is the opposite, this is a slam, the slam she has more possibility to win... not a tier III. It seems like he's saying "of course she has enough game to win" just because he has too:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::o

gaviotabr
May 12th, 2009, 05:45 PM
It depends how you see things ,for example i only saw this word more slams :lol::lol:
So she had some problems with her knee after her match with Francesca
Stupid knee,thumb :rolleyes:

Ana has been having a lot of bad luck.. this injury in the clay season is really unfortunate.. she could have got some nice results.

gaviotabr
May 12th, 2009, 05:49 PM
yes also agree on this. It's true Ana puts too much pressure on herself, but this is the opposite, this is a slam, the slam she has more possibility to win... not a tier III. It seems like he's saying "of course she has enough game to win" just because he has too:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::o

Yes.. it's like.. he says it because he has to say he believes in her, but than he gives his real opinion that it's going to be really difficult and that hopefully with less pressure she can do well. That's total lack of belief, and if you don't believe it there is not chance of even doing well.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
May 12th, 2009, 06:03 PM
If Ana doesn't play RG......:sad::sad:

jelenacg
May 12th, 2009, 07:29 PM
I think you guys are exaggerating a little bit
I don`t see anything wrong with what he said
Less pressure can be a good thing and i thought about it also
Last year she also had less pressure on her back going into RG bc she sucked during clay season and nobody expected her to do well at RG
I also don`t think he doesn`t believe in her.Why would he then waste his time with her.Don`t say money please :lol:
He is a coach and he definitely doesn`t need to be remembered as someone who couldn`t do anything to help Ana
Maybe they will achieve great things together maybe not ,time will tell but I think she needs that kind of coach.Someone who is relaxed,easygoing and who can convince her that tennis is after all just a game and that she can only achieve great things if she really enjoys being on court
If she is that hard on herself after the lost i think someone like Justine`s coach would destroy her :tape::tape:

dybbuk
May 12th, 2009, 09:15 PM
I have liked Kardon so far, I don't understand why some people criticize him as much as they do. She's definitely not the complete mess she was for 6 months.

He's also about as good a coach as she could get to improve her game. I know some people don't like her coming to net as much as she does, but really, what else can she do to improve? There's really no way for her to improve on her IW/RG 08 game. I can't think of any part of that gameplan that can be improved on. It's not as if she can hit her forehand harder, hit her serves harder, get more variety on her backhand side. Improving her volleys and becoming an aggressive all-court player is really the only way she can go from good, 1-2 Slam winner to a player who wins multiple Slams and holds the Number 1 ranking for a good period of time.

gaviotabr
May 14th, 2009, 08:52 PM
I was taking a look at the Kardon feature again.. and there is one thing that I love about the article:

Across the first half of 2008, one of the game’s brightest personalities fully captured the imagination of the public. That was none other than Ana Ivanovic. She was playing the kind of tennis that could take her almost anywhere she wanted to go. The fans responded to her exhilarating style of play with unabashed enthusiasm practically anywhere she went.

Great to see how they recognize that it was just beautiful and exciting to see Ana playing at times last year. It was really high quality tennis, with a lot of class and style.

jelenacg
May 20th, 2009, 11:56 AM
Someone posted on forty deuce blog this
http://twitter.com/ckardon
Craig is using twitter ;):lol:
Is that really him ?

Isha312
May 20th, 2009, 12:41 PM
Someone posted on forty deuce blog this
http://twitter.com/ckardon
Craig is using twitter ;):lol:
Is that really him ?

That'd be cool if it was him! Maybe we can get some inside info. I'll follow him till I hear it's a fake.

gaviotabr
May 20th, 2009, 04:07 PM
Someone posted on forty deuce blog this
http://twitter.com/ckardon
Craig is using twitter ;):lol:
Is that really him ?

Hey Jelena!

That's interesting.. if it's really him, they will be off to Paris today. I hope it's true! :bounce:

Funny.. I just saw some news that Nadal left Mallorca today in a private plane to go to Paris. There were plenty of press people at the airport, and they interviewed him. I wonder if Ana caught a regular flight and left unnoticed.

Ana's web still has no news about RG or her preparations or her knee.. nothing.. :o

mure
May 20th, 2009, 05:40 PM
surely it's him.Who would like to impersonate caig Kardon anyway?:p

it's not like he's a celebrity or anythin

Marilyn Monheaux
May 21st, 2009, 10:17 AM
hiccup after Rome....The Chika Do is resting the knee in Mallorca....then we'll rock Paris

I love his twitter:rolls:

gaviotabr
May 22nd, 2009, 04:49 PM
He has a new twitter up:

practice on Philippe-Chatrier today...lots of balls...gotta fight for the right...to paarrrty!!!


:lol:

jelenacg
May 22nd, 2009, 04:58 PM
He has a new twitter up:



:lol:

Craig :lol::lol:
He should write something about how is our Chika Do doing :lol:

spiritedenergy
May 22nd, 2009, 10:11 PM
He has a new twitter up:



:lol:

:haha::haha::haha: He writes like a 12 years old:help::tape::lol:

gaviotabr
May 23rd, 2009, 04:04 PM
New twitter:

1st up tomorrow on Chatrier....Ana takes on Errani...excitement at Roland Garros

I hope they have talked extensively about the match and come up with a real strategy.. no just his usual attack and go to the net thing.

spiritedenergy
May 23rd, 2009, 06:22 PM
New twitter:



I hope they have talked extensively about the match and come up with a real strategy.. no just his usual attack and go to the net thing.

i hope so, but from his twitter he looks a bit like an happy go,lucky kind of guy:tape:

Marilyn Monheaux
May 23rd, 2009, 08:27 PM
Happy go lucky ftw:rocker2:

No seriously, I really hope they have a real strategy this time around! As much as I like her playing aggressive and coming to the net, they need to work on timing her attacks a lot better! Seeing her getting passed all the time sucks:(:sobbing:

The Daviator
May 24th, 2009, 12:01 AM
I like Craig more after reading his tweets, he seems like fun, and I love 'Chika Do' :lol:

gaviotabr
May 25th, 2009, 03:21 PM
New twitter:

Ana through to 2nd round...whew...2 days off then another battle.....serve is key to victory!!!

Interesting.. so I guess they are working on the serve. That's good.. if it wasn't for all the doubles, Ana probably would not have been broken in the match.

I also hope he keeps her confidence high, she can't let it down.

jelenacg
May 25th, 2009, 04:04 PM
New twitter:



Interesting.. so I guess they are working on the serve. That's good.. if it wasn't for all the doubles, Ana probably would not have been broken in the match.

I also hope he keeps her confidence high, she can't let it down.

Well i guess they do realize she has problem with the serve and hopefully they will manage to fix it
I like that he is using twitter :yeah:

spiritedenergy
May 25th, 2009, 04:33 PM
He shouldn't say tactical things on twitter:o Yes but it's true, she really needs her serve now, the rest is ok now (not at her best but ok to reach 4th round). But if she starts serving puffballs then:tape:

Isha312
May 29th, 2009, 05:38 AM
Craig was on The Tennis Channel tonight. He was interviewed alongside Anastasia Myskina. They firstly talked about friendships on tour, Myskina said the Russians aren't really friends b/c of the competition. Craig mentioned how Martina was friendly but Chris would back away. They were then asked to construct the perfect clay court player, starting with movement, Anastasia mentioned Kuzzie, Craig said Azarenka moves well (:tape:), they also mentioned Venus and Serena. He asked about the advantages of growing up on clay, Craig joked about the lack of Americans, proving that it is important. Next question was about groundstrokes, Myskina said she'd take Ana's forehand and Dinara's backhand. Craig said he couldn't go against his girl :hearts: and that she definitely had all the weapons.

Bill then asked Craig where Ana was right now, mentioning of course the difficulties she's had since winning here. Craig took her defense saying that she's had some injuries, but she has overcome them, however she's lacking match practice but still has confidence, that she's fit and she wants to win.

They went back to building the player, talking specifically about serve, Myskina mentioned Dinara's serve, Craig again went with Ana's serve, saying she has one of the better second serves in the game (when she tosses the ball correctly I'm assuming he means). Mental, Myskina mentioned Jankovic. Craig taked about players who can focus well, saying Dinara, Venus, Serena, and "of course" Ana when she hangs in there. Last was heart, Myskina took the whole top 10, Craig just said the one who wants it the most.

Fin.

InsideOut.
May 29th, 2009, 06:20 AM
Well he's right about all the Ana stuff. :hearts: Ana does have a good second serve when she gets the toss right. Her groundstrokes ARE near perfect when she's focused and confident. But Azarenka DOES NOT MOVE WELL ON CLAY. Does. Not. :tape:

jelenacg
May 29th, 2009, 10:48 AM
Mental, Myskina mentioned Jankovic
:haha::haha::haha:
She can`t be serious
I agree that Ana has a pretty good second serve,that is when she toss the ball correctly :lol:

gaviotabr
May 30th, 2009, 11:16 AM
New twitter:

3rd round...and finding some mojo...Azaranka and Navarro to finish...long day but well worth the end result!

AzarAnka? :lol:

jelenacg
May 30th, 2009, 11:33 AM
New twitter:



AzarAnka? :lol:

I hope he knows how she plays ,since he doesn`t know her name :lol:

gaviotabr
May 30th, 2009, 11:43 AM
I hope he knows how she plays ,since he doesn`t know her name :lol:

Me too.. :lol:

I was actually a bit scared by something I read in Ana's presser.. :lol: She said that Azarenka is an agressive player and she would have to get the first strike. That is true. But I'm afraid if Ana does play Azarenka she will be all impacient, searching for that first strike.. :sobbing: Just move her around and hit behind her Ana!

gaviotabr
May 31st, 2009, 11:50 AM
New twitter:

today Azaranka...gonna be a slugfest on Suzanne I believe experience will prevail

:sobbing:

Again AzarAnka? :lol: Please no slugfest.. :sobbing:

InsideOut.
Jun 2nd, 2009, 11:16 AM
The more I think about it, the more I feel Kardon wasn't good for Ana. Remember when we first started this thread? Dan Holzmann said that Ana needed a coach who would focus on 'tactics, not technique' since Ana has 'excellent' technique. So we got Craig Kardon. We got the BS about how he coached Navratilova, Davenport and Pierce. But if he was supposed to contribute tactics-wise, what HAS he done? Just storm the net, he says. And Ana does that. And fucks it up. Yet the bad approaches just keep on coming. And he thinks the ball toss will fix itself, when it's clearly a problem that can be ameliorated with the help of a serve coach.

When I look back to the Sven days, I really want to cry. Look at Mini-Ana now. She's no longer the flashy, go-for-broke, big forehand after big serve kind of player she was last year - she's smart, patient, working the rallies, setting up points, under the careful tutelage of Sven Groeneveld. If anything I think Sven was really the key to Ana's success last year. Sven is really a smart tactician and a great coach. Look how Ana flourished under his influence and teaching. She would actually make use of her vast arsenal of 'junk' and use the geometry of the court to make space for a sweetly-struck, high-percentage winner, with just the occasional go-for-broke moment to spice up the contest and keep the opponent guessing. She got a bit carried away sometimes, I know, like in Wimbledon last year she could have easily just hit Dechy off the court but she decided to go all topspin hot mess, before going to ballbash galore against Zheng - which she CANNOT do when she's not feeling the ball well. But overall, the game shows, the results show, and they don't lie. Ana has gone backwards since Sven no longer worked with her full-time from about the US Open Series last year... meanwhile such players like Wozniacki and Mini-Ana were beneficiaries of Sven's attention, and their results soared as Sven gave them more of his time. Personally I feel Ana is way more talented than either Wozniacki or Ana Lite. If Sven could turn Wozniacki into a top 10 player, with time, he could have helped Ana on her way to becoming the GOTG (greatest of the generation) at least and a multi-slam champion.

I mean, Kardon has his good points - the fun Twitter (if it really is his, which is likely), the Texan laidback attitude, the bets with Ana on hitting slice backhand drop shots - but it's not really what Ana needs right now to get back on track. If I were Ana (which I'm not, so what I'm saying is just useless) I'd keep Kardon as a day-to-day, fun-loving coach but spend time regularly at tournaments with Sven working on a better, tactical approach to the game, and hire a serve coach to fix her horrible toss. And perhaps see a sports psychologist - ask Sam Stosur for that. And of course continue working with Scott, he's been great for her throughout the years. Ana is not going to go up with her I'm-fine-I'm-just-lacking-match-play-I'm-so-confident-my-serve-is-back-I'm-so-exciting attitude. She's at a career crossroads, and I sure hope she takes the right road.

InsideOut.
Jun 2nd, 2009, 11:25 AM
Another point I'd like to make - Ana is good at the net but Kardon is making a mistake by telling to 'just go to the net'. Ana actually has always had very natural court craft. Watch her RG match against Mauresmo in 2005. She knew when to hit a good drop shot, she knew when to draw her opponent up to the net with a slice. She could play by her instincts and look like a total genius on court. Sven helped her build on that last year. I don't know how he did it, but he caused her to realize how to use angles even better than she had done before. And he helped her improve her backhand so that she could execute her gameplan better. Her backhand of RG 08 is just ... gone. Now we have the moonball. The SHORT one, not even the deep one. Or the inconsistent BH DTL and the best one is, I suppose, the heavy topspin BH CC. Kardon has been on since Dubai and it hasn't helped Ana at all. She has stopped sucking for a bit - depending on your definition of sucking - but she hasn't improved tennis-wise at all.

jelenacg
Jun 2nd, 2009, 02:27 PM
I agree with everything you said especially about her net play
She always had that ,just look at AO last year she was very good at the net.It`s not something Craig invented Sven also worked with Ana on her net play
The thing is that Ana really needs a full time coach,and Sven just can`t /won`t be one
And that is the main problem.If she had a full time coach last season after US open and during of season i`m pretty sure that at least she wouldn`t have this problem with the serve and ball toss
Part time coach is good when everything is going well and since she is still young she needs someone to take care of her game 24/7

gaviotabr
Jun 2nd, 2009, 03:37 PM
The more I think about it, the more I feel Kardon wasn't good for Ana. Remember when we first started this thread? Dan Holzmann said that Ana needed a coach who would focus on 'tactics, not technique' since Ana has 'excellent' technique. So we got Craig Kardon. We got the BS about how he coached Navratilova, Davenport and Pierce. But if he was supposed to contribute tactics-wise, what HAS he done? Just storm the net, he says. And Ana does that. And fucks it up. Yet the bad approaches just keep on coming. And he thinks the ball toss will fix itself, when it's clearly a problem that can be ameliorated with the help of a serve coach.

When I look back to the Sven days, I really want to cry. Look at Mini-Ana now. She's no longer the flashy, go-for-broke, big forehand after big serve kind of player she was last year - she's smart, patient, working the rallies, setting up points, under the careful tutelage of Sven Groeneveld. If anything I think Sven was really the key to Ana's success last year. Sven is really a smart tactician and a great coach. Look how Ana flourished under his influence and teaching. She would actually make use of her vast arsenal of 'junk' and use the geometry of the court to make space for a sweetly-struck, high-percentage winner, with just the occasional go-for-broke moment to spice up the contest and keep the opponent guessing. She got a bit carried away sometimes, I know, like in Wimbledon last year she could have easily just hit Dechy off the court but she decided to go all topspin hot mess, before going to ballbash galore against Zheng - which she CANNOT do when she's not feeling the ball well. But overall, the game shows, the results show, and they don't lie. Ana has gone backwards since Sven no longer worked with her full-time from about the US Open Series last year... meanwhile such players like Wozniacki and Mini-Ana were beneficiaries of Sven's attention, and their results soared as Sven gave them more of his time. Personally I feel Ana is way more talented than either Wozniacki or Ana Lite. If Sven could turn Wozniacki into a top 10 player, with time, he could have helped Ana on her way to becoming the GOTG (greatest of the generation) at least and a multi-slam champion.

I mean, Kardon has his good points - the fun Twitter (if it really is his, which is likely), the Texan laidback attitude, the bets with Ana on hitting slice backhand drop shots - but it's not really what Ana needs right now to get back on track. If I were Ana (which I'm not, so what I'm saying is just useless) I'd keep Kardon as a day-to-day, fun-loving coach but spend time regularly at tournaments with Sven working on a better, tactical approach to the game, and hire a serve coach to fix her horrible toss. And perhaps see a sports psychologist - ask Sam Stosur for that. And of course continue working with Scott, he's been great for her throughout the years. Ana is not going to go up with her I'm-fine-I'm-just-lacking-match-play-I'm-so-confident-my-serve-is-back-I'm-so-exciting attitude. She's at a career crossroads, and I sure hope she takes the right road.

Another point I'd like to make - Ana is good at the net but Kardon is making a mistake by telling to 'just go to the net'. Ana actually has always had very natural court craft. Watch her RG match against Mauresmo in 2005. She knew when to hit a good drop shot, she knew when to draw her opponent up to the net with a slice. She could play by her instincts and look like a total genius on court. Sven helped her build on that last year. I don't know how he did it, but he caused her to realize how to use angles even better than she had done before. And he helped her improve her backhand so that she could execute her gameplan better. Her backhand of RG 08 is just ... gone. Now we have the moonball. The SHORT one, not even the deep one. Or the inconsistent BH DTL and the best one is, I suppose, the heavy topspin BH CC. Kardon has been on since Dubai and it hasn't helped Ana at all. She has stopped sucking for a bit - depending on your definition of sucking - but she hasn't improved tennis-wise at all.

You have put it perfectly. I agree with you 100%. Ana has gone backwards.. and this Kardon style of play she has now is nothing more than average. He has maybe stabilized her game, in a way that it's not so up and down anymore.. but I'm not even sure if that is a good thing. It now seems just stuck.. I mean, last year, in all of her terrible matches she had patches of great play. I would take the second set against Petrova in Tokyo and Zheng at the China Open, or the first set against Cibulkova in Moscow.. and so on, over almost any match she has played this year. She needed to make that play more consistent. Now it's just average, every time. So much about tactics.. he only has one, net rushing. If she gets a player who can't hit passing shots, it might work.. but against a better player she will just get passed and lobed over and over again. I mean, I like that she uses the net, I think it can be a great strength of her game, but it has to be used wisely. And she was doing it.. all we have to do is watch AO, IW and RG last year.. she was not playing only from the baseline. And as you said, even before.. the match against Mauresmo.. or even earlier, against Venus in Zurich in 2004. Ana was never an average player, never.. since she came up, she could always contend with the top 10, she didn't take long to get top 10 wins. Now it's all so average.. she can beat lesser players, but she is not contending with the better ones.

I think Sven was not really being able to help Ana, confidence wise, after the thumb injury and all.. and I agree with Jelena that she needed someone with her full time, which Sven is not willing to do for anyone. More like a motivational coach.. and a sports pshycologist.. But maybe Sven could still work with her somehow.. Ana could also benefit from the work with Darren Cahill, who is also in the adidas team now. Both Sven and him are great tennis coaches.

Ana has ambition.. I'm not sure if Kardon will last if she doesn't acomplish anything this season.

bruce goose
Jun 2nd, 2009, 04:09 PM
Here's a basic question:If Kardon is such a horrendous,useless,waste-of-life as a coach,then don't you think that Navratilova would've complained or commented negatively about him during her career??Martina wasn't known for accepting mediocrity,and she stayed with Craig for more than a hiccup.Even the sweet-natured Ana was bold enough to complain that Señor Taylor was too controlling over her personal life,so I seriously doubt that Navrat would be too timid to criticize her coach.You folks know how mentally fragile Ana can be,and you seem to expect Kardon to instantly transform her into a dominant player while she's in the midst of unlearning many bad habits....IF there's zero improvement by the end of the year,THEN you can accuse Craig of receiving a concussion during some untold car accident---and then suddenly forgetting,due to amnesia,the successful techniques he's used with many others....Sometimes y'all remind me of former NY Skankees owner George Steinbrenner who would fire his manager EVERY year even though the teams weren't truly championship caliber:"I'm not getting what I want right away so I need to blame and punish someone:("!Ana is 21 years old and quite healthy with MANY years ahead of her--despite her bizarre ill fortune with strange viruses and dizzy spells...let's give it 'til the end of 2009 to see if she improves or not....

InsideOut.
Jun 2nd, 2009, 04:15 PM
^That's because Kardon wasn't Navratilova's coach...more like hitting partner and travel pal. Even during his time with her, she worked with many different people to enhance her game - she asked Billie Jean King for tactical advice and help. So Kardon was just pretty much tagging along. And Ana doesn't mind him since he doesn't interfere in her life but he's not helping her game.

bruce goose
Jun 2nd, 2009, 04:21 PM
^That's because Kardon wasn't Navratilova's coach...more like hitting partner and travel pal. Even during his time with her, she worked with many different people to enhance her game - she asked Billie Jean King for tactical advice and help. So Kardon was just pretty much tagging along. And Ana doesn't mind him since he doesn't interfere in her life but he's not helping her game.Your comments seem strong on face value...except Navrat SPECIFICALLY commented on Craig's knowledge of the game,and how he helped her...regardless of what his official title was.Also,Martina wasn't Craig's only player...we also have champions like Davenport,Pierce,etc.--and none of THEM badmouthed him,either....I'm pretty sure that at least ONE of them would've spoken up if Craig were a piece of garbage

InsideOut.
Jun 2nd, 2009, 04:23 PM
He's not garbage but he's not great, that's why they didn't say anything about it.

Edit: And the game has evolved from Martina's time, plain old S&V just doesn't cut it anymore ESPECIALLY when you have a freaky toss.

bruce goose
Jun 2nd, 2009, 04:33 PM
He's not garbage but he's not great, that's why they didn't say anything about it.

Edit: And the game has evolved from Martina's time, plain old S&V just doesn't cut it anymore ESPECIALLY when you have a freaky toss.Again,the edit is irrelevant b/c Craig has coached players in this modern era as well...Slam winners at that.Usually champions do their homework when selecting a coach so,unless you're accusing Davenport and Pierce of being ditzy airheads,I'd say they asked around about Craig before selecting him...and they wouldn't have chosen him at all if he didn't have value as a coach...Again,champions--as a rule--don't settle for mediocrity........It's MUCH more sensible,IMO,to judge his work over the long haul instead of scrutinizing it match-by-match or,even worse,set-by-set and shot-by-shot as some posters seem to be doing

InsideOut.
Jun 2nd, 2009, 04:35 PM
Davenport and Pierce only employed him for very short periods of time. Clearly, they saw no need to receive his services any longer. IMO, Kardon is a very good motivator but he's not a great tactician, like Sven was. That's the problem.

jelenacg
Jun 2nd, 2009, 04:38 PM
He's not garbage but he's not great, that's why they didn't say anything about it.

Edit: And the game has evolved from Martina's time, plain old S&V just doesn't cut it anymore ESPECIALLY when you have a freaky toss.

:rolls::rolls::rolls:
I`m sure he is a good coach
But just bc he had a success with Martina and other players doesn`t mean he will have it with Ana
Brad Gilbert is a great coach but he and Murray never really clicked

bruce goose
Jun 2nd, 2009, 04:48 PM
:rolls::rolls::rolls:
I`m sure he is a good coach
But just bc he had a success with Martina and other players doesn`t mean he will have it with Ana
Brad Gilbert is a great coach but he and Murray never really clickedWe'll see how it goes...'Inside Out' ASSUMES that there was some sort of confict between Craig and Pierce 'n' Davenport,but I'd call that a hasty assumption....There's no evidence for it since NO ONE in the game has ever badmouthed Craig.It could simply be a case where those other two wanted to get some feedback to finetune their games.They were both older than Ana at the time,more mature and likely didn't NEED as much attention as Ana does.....OR maybe Craig just sucks raw donkey balls:rolleyes:...but we should at least try to judge a greater body of work with Ana....Hopefully she won't fire him if she loses the first game of her next match:rolleyes:...the way SOME people wish

I need to head to my morning class now....So I implore everyone to nOT burn Craig in effigy for "failing" to bring Ana a Slam title at RG

gaviotabr
Jun 2nd, 2009, 04:58 PM
Again,the edit is irrelevant b/c Craig has coached players in this modern era as well...Slam winners at that.Usually champions do their homework when selecting a coach so,unless you're accusing Davenport and Pierce of being ditzy airheads,I'd say they asked around about Craig before selecting him...and they wouldn't have chosen him at all if he didn't have value as a coach...Again,champions--as a rule--don't settle for mediocrity........It's MUCH more sensible,IMO,to judge his work over the long haul instead of scrutinizing it match-by-match or,even worse,set-by-set and shot-by-shot as some posters seem to be doing

No one is doing that.. but it has been 4 months, including 1 month of pre season practice, and nowadays Ana is an average player.. not less, but not more than that.

Davenport employed him for a very short period of time. Less than Ana.. And Pierce worked with him and her father and brother.. His resumé is actually a bit deceiving.

Don't get us wrong Bruce.. I'm sure we all hoped Ana was great and having a lot of success with Craig. Even more so because she seems to like him a lot. And he looks like a very nice guy. But this is how things are looking like..

gaviotabr
Jun 2nd, 2009, 05:00 PM
We'll see how it goes...'Inside Out' ASSUMES that there was some sort of confict between Craig and Pierce 'n' Davenport,but I'd call that a hasty assumption....There's no evidence for it since NO ONE in the game has ever badmouthed Craig.It could simply be a case where those other two wanted to get some feedback to finetune their games.They were both older than Ana at the time,more mature and likely didn't NEED as much attention as Ana does.....OR maybe Craig just sucks raw donkey balls:rolleyes:...but we should at least try to judge a greater body of work with Ana....Hopefully she won't fire him if she loses the first game of her next match:rolleyes:...the way SOME people wish

I need to head to my morning class now....So I implore everyone to nOT burn Craig in effigy for "failing" to bring Ana a Slam title at RG

Davenport was actually 18 when they worked together, and Craig himself said they didn't get along.

We are not even talking about RG. I'm sure none of us really thought Ana would win it. But since working with Craig nothing has improved.. nothing.

And don't worry, she won't fire him anytime soon.. she likes him. Though I think she is ambitious enough to do it if she ends this season with no acomplishment at all.

jelenacg
Jun 2nd, 2009, 05:21 PM
Only thing he managed is that she doesn`t look so confused and lost on court like she did in Sidney and AO
I think that the main problem is Ana and her head,and until she sorts things out in her head she can change 1000 coaches and no one will help her
I`m just waiting to see what she will do during grass season
Now she doesn`t face any pressure,she doesn`t have anything to defend so maybe that will finally help her

gaviotabr
Jun 2nd, 2009, 05:42 PM
Only thing he managed is that she doesn`t look so confused and lost on court like she did in Sidney and AO
I think that the main problem is Ana and her head,and until she sorts things out in her head she can change 1000 coaches and no one will help her
I`m just waiting to see what she will do during grass season
Now she doesn`t face any pressure,she doesn`t have anything to defend so maybe that will finally help her

I don't think pressure was such a big factor.. but hey, It just can't be used as an excuse anymore.. she is not top 10, she is not expected to do anything of notice, she is not defending points until.. forever.. so if things keep sucking, they will have to look for another excuse.

bruce goose
Jun 2nd, 2009, 08:34 PM
No one is doing that.. but it has been 4 months, including 1 month of pre season practice, and nowadays Ana is an average player.. not less, but not more than that.

Davenport employed him for a very short period of time. Less than Ana.. And Pierce worked with him and her father and brother.. His resumé is actually a bit deceiving.

Don't get us wrong Bruce.. I'm sure we all hoped Ana was great and having a lot of success with Craig. Even more so because she seems to like him a lot. And he looks like a very nice guy. But this is how things are looking like..Okay!You win!Craig completely sucks!The evidence is irrefutable!!He should be buried up to his neck in thick sand and fed to a colony of red ants as punishment for his destructive,damaging coaching techniques with which he's hurt Ana.

Also,I have a new breakthrough that we can share with Gavin Versi for him to use in the interview process with Ana's next coach:
Ana:Before I agree to hire you as coach,let me be clear that you must completely fix EVERY SINGLE FLAW in my game within four months...or else I'll fire your ass....Of course,if I underperform at a Slam or one of my favorite tourneys,you MIGHT not get that 4-month 'grace period'(quote marks mine)....Any questions??
Prospective Coaching Candidate:Uhhh..no,Ana,I'll get back to you...:unsure:

By the time Ana has gone through this routine of hiring and firing coaches every four months,there MIGHT not be a lot of people lining up to contend for the position:rolleyes:.Actually,I hope that she DOES fire Craig if,for ANY reason,she performs less than 100% perfectly by going winless during the grass season...at least that would stop the f--king whiny blame game.At some stage,we need to consider the possibility that NO coach can maximize Ana's raw potential.As sad as it is for me to consider,more than one person has suggested that Ana lacks the mental fortitude to be a consistent top player...just so we're crystal clear:I REALLY HOPE THAT'S NOT THE CASE...cuz Ana is a rare jewel

gaviotabr
Jun 2nd, 2009, 09:03 PM
Okay!You win!Craig completely sucks!The evidence is irrefutable!!He should be buried up to his neck in thick sand and fed to a colony of red ants as punishment for his destructive,damaging coaching techniques with which he's hurt Ana.

Also,I have a new breakthrough that we can share with Gavin Versi for him to use in the interview process with Ana's next coach:
Ana:Before I agree to hire you as coach,let me be clear that you must completely fix EVERY SINGLE FLAW in my game within four months...or else I'll fire your ass....Of course,if I underperform at a Slam or one of my favorite tourneys,you MIGHT not get that 4-month 'grace period'(quote marks mine)....Any questions??
Prospective Coaching Candidate:Uhhh..no,Ana,I'll get back to you...:unsure:

By the time Ana has gone through this routine of hiring and firing coaches every four months,there MIGHT not be a lot of people lining up to contend for the position:rolleyes:.Actually,I hope that she DOES fire Craig if,for ANY reason,she performs less than 100% perfectly by going winless during the grass season...at least that would stop the f--king whiny blame game.At some stage,we need to consider the possibility that NO coach can maximize Ana's raw potential.As sad as it is for me to consider,more than one person has suggested that Ana lacks the mental fortitude to be a consistent top player...just so we're crystal clear:I REALLY HOPE THAT'S NOT THE CASE...cuz Ana is a rare jewel

Whatever Bruce.. you are obviously not getting our point.. :rolleyes:

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Jun 2nd, 2009, 09:05 PM
I don't find it fair either to judge already about Craig. It's still the player that has to do it.
Sven is of course a good coach (cause we are known about good coaches in most sports), but he couldn't help Ana either in the slump of last year. Not in results, not in getting a better game.
He wants her to play a more aggressive game and coming more to the net.
Just dumb running to the net in bad situations, that's still the PLAYER doing it. I'm sure this is not really what he had in mind.

But if you ask me. It looks like that Ana herself is trying to play more solid. Then they hire a coach who wants the opposite.
I hear people saying that Ana is more passive, now that's certainly not cause of Craig.

I don't know that much about Craig, but it seems he could be handy for the grass season.
It's the kind of game that Ana still has to learn, so in that case he's the right one.
Now I'm not sure how he's about tactics and make someone a complete player. From what I've read he's not the right one for it.

Actually I think Ana is kinda unlucky. She was lucky that Dan gave her an opportunity to become pro. Her talent is just amazing. Kuharsky did the most things in her young years, but I can't tell much about him either.
Ana herself is not a good coach for her. She's not a natural smart player, so she needs someone who can teach her. Sorry to say, I know that her team supports her but to me it seems their knowledge of tennis is not what you hope for. It's a good management that really can promote her, but that's just it.
She has Scott for her fitness and I'm glad she has him. That was a good choice.
Only one left is Craig who should do the rest. Looks like the others don't have a clue who should be good for Ana. They are all just money makers.
So in this case, Ana is unlucky.
Gladly she's still young and has enough potential, so there's always hope.

bruce goose
Jun 2nd, 2009, 09:18 PM
Whatever Bruce.. you are obviously not getting our point.. :rolleyes:Other than nitpicking and blaming EVERYthing on Craig,you're right:I don't see any coherent points coming from you...sounds like Nadal when he's making excuses for his losses,blaming the media for putting too much pressure on him to play extra matches that made him too tired to play at RG...whatever:rolleyes:

I promise that,if Ana sucks during the grass season,then I'll join the Fire Craig Chorus and you'll have your unanimous vote

gaviotabr
Jun 2nd, 2009, 09:25 PM
Other than nitpicking and blaming EVERYthing on Craig,you're right:I don't see any coherent points coming from you...sounds like Nadal when he's making excuses for his losses,blaming the media for putting too much pressure on him to play extra matches that made him too tired to play at RG...whatever:rolleyes:

I promise that,if Ana sucks during the grass season,then I'll join the Fire Craig Chorus and you'll have your unanimous vote

I hope Ana has a great grass season and you are proven right that Kardon is an amazing coach.