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roarke
Jan 21st, 2009, 05:38 PM
Being the number one player in the world means something great has happened to a tennis player's career. It means they have achieved the top echelon of their game having obtain success in the biggest and most competitve events. It means they have been challenged by the best at the top of the game and have won consistently and have proven their game is better than the rest. Winning a slam and tier 1 events at the expense of the other top means you are the best. Jelena is under scrutiny now because she hasn't done so.

You can play a bunch of events with lower ranked player and take those titles and get the points and be the number one player as Jelena has done, however that is bitter sweet because you haven't truly proven your self on the big stages of the game. She has yet to fulfil the unoffical rule of the number one player status... win a slam or two plus the "almost slam events", such as Miami.

Every tennis player who has obtained the number one ranking without winning one of the big events has undergone this kind of scrutiny. It means that even though she has the number one ranking based on points she hasn't fulfilled the requirements to be the number one player. It doesn't mean she is less of a player or it doesn't mean Americans are biased because Serena or Venus are no longer the number one players in the game. It simply means Jelena has some work to do to. Yes she has obtained the number one ranking in the sport because of her consistency and she should be proud. However until she wins one of the great events in tennis she will always be viewed as not quite number one. Her place in tennis history is not yet cemented.. the Hall of Fame doors while is still closed to her.

Thanx4nothin
Jan 21st, 2009, 05:44 PM
You may well be the FIRST to notice.....

DeliriousPotato
Jan 21st, 2009, 05:49 PM
Well, I agree that for her to really own the number one spot she needs to have a big achievement, but also, she is a very consistent player and she simply plays a lot. Many people say it is unfair to give out points to whoever plays the most (a person who reaches three quarter finals at low level tournaments can gain more points than a person who won only a higher level tournament), but isn't it true that those who play the most have to work the most? I mean, I love the William sisters and altough they are for me the best of the best they also don't deserve the number 1 spot cause they are not devoting themselves 100% to the sport and they play half the tournaments JJ does... But I never really pay atention to the rankings, cause they don't reflect much about the players. I only see the importance of rankings to determine where a player should be in a draw.

Valanga
Jan 21st, 2009, 05:54 PM
You can play a bunch of events with lower ranked player and take those titles and get the points and be the number one player as Jelena has done, however that is bitter sweet because you haven't truly proven your self on the big stages of the game. She has yet to fulfil the unoffical rule of the number one player status... win a slam or two plus the "almost slam events", such as Miami.

during Jelena's 2008 title hat trick, she beated 6 top tenners en route.
so THAT's NOT lower ranked player i should say.
Not to forget Jelena got into the Final of Miami and IW SF, this is not a bad result after all.

goldenlox
Jan 21st, 2009, 05:58 PM
I can see Jelena not winning a major in 2009, but being #1 for over 40 weeks.
She can go deep into draws and stay healthy. That's not easy, and with Justine retired, Jelena is the best of the consistent players, or the healthiest of them

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 21st, 2009, 06:04 PM
This woman is a stale joke

miffedmax
Jan 21st, 2009, 06:08 PM
It's interesting to think how nearly this didn't come to pass. Both during the early years of the pro circuit and again in the mid to late '70s, maybe even into the '80s, the Slam events teetered on the brink of irrelevancy. Navritalova talked recently in an interview about how in her career rankings were more meaningful to players like her and Evert than slam titles (though both had plenty of them). But there was a time when players routinely skipped the slams (the Aussie and French especially) and nobody really thought less of them for it. A lot of it, of course, was about money.

The slams have done a great job of reasserting themselves as the premier events in the sport by raising their prize money and their profile, but it could all have been very different.

goldenlox
Jan 21st, 2009, 06:09 PM
Most of this year could be between Jelena Dinara and Lena for #1, with none of them having slams.

Dave.
Jan 21st, 2009, 06:09 PM
It means that even though she has the number one ranking based on points she hasn't fulfilled the requirements to be the number one player.

Yes she has. The only requirement is to obtain the most points, which is what everyone aims to do, and how the no.1 player is decided.

Princeza
Jan 21st, 2009, 06:16 PM
This woman is a stale joke

This woman is training every day since she was a child, has made sacrifices to reach all she has now. She's number one, and it might be just a number for you but certainly not for her.
The only joke here is you, sitting behind your PC and criticizing years of efforts while you will not achieve 1% of what she's done.

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 21st, 2009, 06:22 PM
This woman is a stale joke

I think you can stop all this bashing against Jankovic, we're getting annoyed, even me, give the girl a break, anyway she's N1 now, she won't lose her ranking until others girls move her ass(and u know who I'm talking about). So, deal with it.

hingis-seles
Jan 21st, 2009, 06:22 PM
If everyone's going to piss and moan about Jankovic being #1, who do they propose be #1? There's no one else deserving of the ranking. If there was, they'd have the points to go with it.

You know what else is funny? How no one cares about the rankings or gives them any value, but are still getting their panties in a twist over Jankovic being #1.

Jelena Jankovic is the world number one. What that means is, day in and day out, she is the best female tennis player on the planet right now. Get used to it.

goldenlox
Jan 21st, 2009, 06:23 PM
The WTA is adding 2 more Super Tier I's.
They want big events outside the majors.
To the WTA, their income is outside the majors, which are ITF

G1Player2
Jan 21st, 2009, 06:25 PM
If everyone's going to piss and moan about Jankovic being #1, who do they propose be #1? There's no one else deserving of the ranking. If there was, they'd have the points to go with it.

You know what else is funny? How no one cares about the rankings or gives them any value, but are still getting their panties in a twist over Jankovic being #1.

Jelena Jankovic is the world number one. What that means is, day in and day out, she is the best female tennis player on the planet right now. Get used to it.

This coming from a Hingis fan. :rolleyes: Considering Hingis was No.1 for almost 3 years without winning a slam, it is no surprise you'd co-sign this. :lol:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 21st, 2009, 06:25 PM
:haha: :rolls:

Just Do It
Jan 21st, 2009, 06:27 PM
Again :haha: :haha: :bigcry:

HRHoliviasmith
Jan 21st, 2009, 06:32 PM
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m176/telliecoin/dear-god-make-it-stop.jpg

G1Player2
Jan 21st, 2009, 06:38 PM
But I do agree, there is already a thread similar to this, so it is getting a bit redundant. :shrug:

hingis-seles
Jan 21st, 2009, 06:38 PM
This coming from a Hingis fan. :rolleyes: Considering Hingis was No.1 for almost 3 years without winning a slam, it is no surprise you'd co-sign this. :lol:

Not one of the points in the post was addressed. Gee, what a shock. Let me guess. You think "Queen/Goddess/Whatever Vee" deserves the #1 ranking. Or maybe it's "BabyGurl Ree"? Lolz.

roarke
Jan 21st, 2009, 06:40 PM
It is not good enough for the number on player to gain points through consistency so they can be ranked number one. You have to be play brilliantly as well. IN ANY FIELD you have to take the best prizes to be considered the best. In tennis the prizes are the slams. It is a requirement of the number one status. No one is advocating that Venus and Serena be number one at this time. Like Jelena they have to earn it. They have the credentials but now they have to do continual professional education to keep those credentials in good standing --- playing a few more tournaments will do that for them and they might with this new format for 2009 Jelena has done the majority of her course work but he has yet to sit and pass the final exam. She is on the brink. She has the grades to get the Dean honors but she hasn't yet submitted the final project to get her credentials. She can say she attended the University and made the Deans list all the way through but unless she wins a slam she will be seen as a good student but she will a dropout.

G1Player2
Jan 21st, 2009, 06:42 PM
Not one of the points in the post was addressed. Gee, what a shock. Let me guess. You think "Queen/Goddess/Whatever Vee" deserves the #1 ranking. Or maybe it's "BabyGurl Ree"? Lolz.

We know you hate both WS with a passion. Although you try to be slick and hide it, it's obvious. And yes, Serena AND even Venus deserve to be No.1 over Jankovic and you know it. They both won slams last year and Venus won 3 titles including the YEC and Serena reached 2 GS finals and won 4 other titles including 2 Tier 1's. I know you hate it but deal with it. :wavey: You can be bitter as much as you like, but talk is cheap, especially yours, and I will let Venus and Serena's racket do th rest of the talking. :lol:

goldenlox
Jan 21st, 2009, 06:43 PM
The real situation is that ITF runs the majors. WTA runs everything else, besides Fed Cup & Olympics.
If the WTA keeps expanding and growing and adding prizemoney, expect players to want their share of that prizemoney.

It's not about majors. It's about a career.

fufuqifuqishahah
Jan 21st, 2009, 07:00 PM
The interesting thing is that when Kim & Amelie became #1, while there was hooplah, it wasn't nearly this ridiculous. Maybe its because they had established (for years prior) that they were top players whereas Jelena is pretty recent. Even though she was consistently getting far in slams, she wasn't doing as well in the WTA tour tournaments? :shrug:

fufuqifuqishahah
Jan 21st, 2009, 07:04 PM
We know you hate both WS with a passion. Although you try to be slick and hide it, it's obvious. And yes, Serena AND even Venus deserve to be No.1 over Jankovic and you know it. They both won slams last year and Venus won 3 titles including the YEC and Serena reached 2 GS finals and won 4 other titles including 2 Tier 1's. I know you hate it but deal with it. :wavey: You can be bitter as much as you like, but talk is cheap, especially yours, and I will let Venus and Serena's racket do th rest of the talking. :lol:

Unfortunately, I have to point out that your bias is on the other side. On the other hand, I, as haughty as this may sound, am fans of Venus, Serena, and Jelena.

If Venus wins the AO (or FO), then yes, she deserves to be #1 over Jankovic, as she would have won 3 of the 5 biggest titles, whereas Jelena won zero. Otherwise, there are enough strong arguments for Jelena to be #1 over them that it shouldn't matter.

Dave.
Jan 21st, 2009, 07:10 PM
We know you hate both WS with a passion. Although you try to be slick and hide it, it's obvious. And yes, Serena AND even Venus deserve to be No.1 over Jankovic and you know it. They both won slams last year and Venus won 3 titles including the YEC and Serena reached 2 GS finals and won 4 other titles including 2 Tier 1's. I know you hate it but deal with it. :wavey: You can be bitter as much as you like, but talk is cheap, especially yours, and I will let Venus and Serena's racket do th rest of the talking. :lol:

No they don't. :lol: If they did, they would be ranked there. Same goes with all the other players.

Serena is close enough at 2, and I guess some arguments could be made for her, but still Jankovic has the ranking at this point.

Venus is ranked down at no.6 right now. She won 3 titles and reached only 5 semifinals in 2008. Compare that with Jankovic who reached 12 semifinals, getting through to 6 finals, winning 4 titles. Jankovic even had the better grand slam record, and grand slams aren't even WTA events!

Jankovic had just 1 pre-QF exit, Venus had 4. Losses count just as much as wins do.

дalex
Jan 21st, 2009, 07:18 PM
http://i38.tinypic.com/16kb7y8.jpg

jjcrew#1
Jan 21st, 2009, 07:20 PM
Jelena is there not serena and venus. Jelena is number one and thats it!

G1Player2
Jan 21st, 2009, 07:23 PM
http://i38.tinypic.com/16kb7y8.jpg

Jelena Jankovic was dreaming that she was holding up a slam trophy and woke up to realize it was a nightmare actually.

G1Player2
Jan 21st, 2009, 07:42 PM
Jelena is there not serena and venus. Jelena is number one and thats it!

Okayyyyyyy... :weirdo:

debby
Jan 21st, 2009, 07:51 PM
@the Williamses fan : I don't understand why you give as much importance to rankings.. :shrug: You are a Serena and Venus fans, so please, stop your drama about Jankovic, you are the first to say " Who cares of Serena being N°1 ? She's winning Slams" so please, leave Jelena alone. :tape:

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 21st, 2009, 07:58 PM
@the Williamses fan : I don't understand why you give as much importance to rankings.. :shrug: You are a Serena and Venus fans, so please, stop your drama about Jankovic, you are the first to say " Who cares of Serena being N°1 ? She's winning Slams" so please, leave Jelena alone. :tape:

They are upset because a Slamless girl is above their favorite:shrug: As a Sharapova fan, I don't give a shit cause I know Maria is injured, there is no way the real Maria can be behind JJ:lol:

debby
Jan 21st, 2009, 08:02 PM
They are upset because a Slamless girl is above their favorite:shrug: As a Sharapova fan, I don't give a shit cause I know Maria is injured, there is no way the real Maria can be behind JJ:lol:

It would be a tough competition between Maria and JJ you know. ;)

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 21st, 2009, 08:10 PM
It would be a tough competition between Maria and JJ you know. ;)

Ya, like OZ SF u mean? :lol:
No seriously, I know it will be tough but Maria loves challenge.

miffedmax
Jan 21st, 2009, 09:12 PM
I have to say I don't like JJ and this is getting old.

Everybody on the tour knows the rules. Everybody on the tour plays by the same rules. The rules say JJ is Number 1.

You don't have to agree that "No. 1" and "the best" are synonomous. You don't have to agree that she was the Player of the Year.

But she is the #1 rated player, end of story. And until your girl or my girl (yeah, right) goes out and changes that, we just have to live with it.

On the other hand, at least my girl still has her OEM nose.

Lulu.
Jan 21st, 2009, 09:16 PM
I really don't care anymore. She can have the No.1 ranking for now. :lol:

What is mind boggling to me is the fact that she spends most of her life playing soooo many tournaments yet she only has what 9 titles?

Olórin
Jan 21st, 2009, 09:21 PM
I know it will be tough but Maria loves challenge.

Well before you get excited about Maria getting back to number one, perhaps you should encourage her in the challenge of getting back on a tennis court. No need to bring Maria into this thread. She's not topical.

The relevance of the number one ranking has been in question since 2001. It's quite an old issue and not worth rehashing at every possible opportunity.