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gaviotabr
Jan 19th, 2009, 12:06 PM
From the Sports Business Journal:

http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/61169

Chinese shoe brand signs Jankovic
Deal may signal continental shift in tennis endorsement market

By DANIEL KAPLAN
Staff writer

http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/images/articles/SBJ200901190103-01.jpg

Reebok didn’t offer to extend Jankovic (left);
Blake’s Fila deal will pay him based on the
sales of his new line; neither of the Williams
sisters has a sneaker deal in place.



Published January 19, 2009 : Page 01
The world’s top-ranked women’s tennis player, Jelena Jankovic, has reached an endorsement deal with sneaker and apparel company Anta, sources said, becoming the highest-profile global athlete to back one of China ’s emerging athletic companies.

Reebok last week formally declined to re-sign Jankovic, and she quickly accepted a three-year offer guaranteed at $5.1 million from Anta, the sources said.

The deal positions Anta alongside companies like Li-Ning and Peak that are now competing in China with traditional powers Nike and Adidas and perhaps soon could do so globally, as well.

“This is a first. It is really groundbreaking,” said Terry Rhoads, co-founder of Zou Marketing, a China-based sports marketing firm. “This is a proud moment for all Chinese sportswear companies.”

Jankovic is represented by IMG tennis agent Gavin Forbes, who declined to comment.

The deal highlights a changing marketplace for tennis players’ core sneaker endorsement deals just as this year’s first Grand Slam, the Australian Open, gets under way.

James Blake last week left Nike for an unconventional pact with Fila, which has not had a top American male endorser since 1977. Neither of the Williams sisters, Venus and Serena, is under contract despite residing in the top 10 and holding the last two Grand Slam titles.

One of the reasons for the changes is the decline of tennis in America . The current economy is also a factor. Reebok, for example, declined to re-sign Jankovic the day before announcing 310 layoffs.

“After two successful years in partnership, Reebok has decided not to extend our relationship with JelenaJankovic,” the company said in a statement. “Jelena has always been a loyal ambassador for the brand and has continuously proven herself as a player of stature and maturity. We wish her all the very best in her future endeavors.”

Nike declined to re-sign Blake after having worked with him since he turned pro in 1998. He signed a four-year deal with Fila that pays him in the mid-six figures guaranteed, with potentially more based on the performance of a developing line of products.

That arrangement is unique. Most tennis contracts reward players for on-court performance. Fila will pay Blake based on the success of the products.

That product line is under development, but it will involve both the Fila logo and a yet-to-be-developed mark for Blake. His agent, Carlos Fleming of IMG, said the line will incorporate intellectual property from the player and the sneaker company, and will include tennis, lifestyle and fitness offerings.

Meanwhile, Serena Williams, whose contract with Nike expired last month, is still talking with the company. Nike has plowed substantial resources in tennis into Maria Sharapova, so where Williams fits into the mix is unclear.

Similarly, Venus Williams’ line, EleVen, now has no home with the demise of her retail partner, Steve & Barry’s. Fleming, who is also her agent, said he is in negotiations with potential partners.

Whether Jankovic’s agreement with Anta will bring forth a wave of new deals from China in tennis is unclear. Anta is largely a China-only company, though it does advertise courtside at Houston Rockets games. Rockets owner Les Alexander was an early investor in the company.

Li-Ning, which had a visible presence during the Beijing Olympics, was interested last year in signing Ana Ivanovic, currently the world’s No. 5 player, before she re-signed with Adidas.

To date, the significant non-Chinese endorsements for Chinese footwear companies have been in basketball. Peak counts Shane Battier and Jason Kidd as endorsers. Shaquille O’Neal has a China-only endorsement deal with Li-Ning.

The companies use the signings to gain credibility domestically, Rhoads said. He views the Anta/Jankovic signing in this light, with tennis, unlike in the United States, a growing sport in China.

Wiggly
Jan 19th, 2009, 12:12 PM
Jelena's 51.1 millions is quite good.:lol:
Then you have Blake who got dumped by Nike and isn't even paid one million.

I don't know why Nike would not sign Serena to keep Maria.
Sharapova is injuried and is most likely to miss quite a few months every season while Serena doesn't play every week but she wins most of the time and her outfit aren't as flashy as the used to be.
Who play tennis with the outfit Maria wore last year in Wimbledon? :lol:

gaviotabr
Jan 19th, 2009, 12:16 PM
Jelena's 51.1 millions is quite good.:lol:


It's not 51.1 millions.. It's 5.1 millions. Still, quite good..

I don't know why Nike would not sign Serena to keep Maria.
Sharapova is injuried and is most likely to miss quite a few months every season while Serena doesn't play every week but she wins most of the time and her outfit aren't as flashy as the used to be.


I'm pretty sure Serena will end up resigning. I think the author of the article meant that Sharapova is in every Nike add.. and Serena isn't. They could use moer of her star power, as she has plenty.

volta
Jan 19th, 2009, 12:30 PM
id love Vee to sign with Lacoste :hearts:

Serena will probably end up resigning with Nike again, let's see what is she going to wear today in her match

supergrunt
Jan 19th, 2009, 12:53 PM
geez the economy is bad

InsideOut.
Jan 19th, 2009, 01:02 PM
Ana gets 2 million each year from Adidas anyway. :shrug:

2*3 = 6 > 5.1 :)

supergrunt
Jan 19th, 2009, 01:11 PM
Nike is stupid... I am really officially boycotting it now

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 01:18 PM
Serena Williams has a new contract with Nike, it's just not public yet. It stated, her contract will prolonged if not being cancelled by both parties. Nike will give her a bigger contract, cause serena boosted Nike sales with 15% globally.

virtue05
Jan 19th, 2009, 01:22 PM
Nike is stupid, they are doing Serena just like Reebok did Vee, they would rather invest their money in a tall white blond, than in a 9 time grandslam champion. It is crazy how executives think; Venus and Serena should come together and come up with their own tennis line, or both should design for Eleven.

Cp6uja
Jan 19th, 2009, 01:24 PM
Ana gets 2 million each year from Adidas anyway. :shrug:

2*3 = 6 > 5.1 :)Ana gets 2 million USD bonus (per year) because reach #1 and GS title at some point.

So Ivanovic gets from Adidas 3.5M$+2M$=5.5M$ per year.

But she spend all last seasons money from Adidas buying that villa in Mallorca (6M$) :p.

Lucemferre
Jan 19th, 2009, 01:25 PM
Serena + Puma = Serena slam :hearts::hearts:

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 01:28 PM
Nike is stupid, they are doing Serena just like Reebok did Vee, they would rather invest their money in a tall white blond, than in a 9 time grandslam champion. It is crazy how executives think; Venus and Serena should come together and come up with their own tennis line, or both should design for Eleven.

LOL dude. Serena's the best paid female athlete ever with Nike (at least till now).

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 01:30 PM
Ana gets 2 million each year from Adidas anyway. :shrug:

2*3 = 6 > 5.1 :)

Serena got $25 million for 4 years, and that's without the bonuses. :)

MyskinaManiac
Jan 19th, 2009, 01:36 PM
Smart move for Jelena. I hope she can come up with some great outfits. We just don't get the great outfits of old no more. I loved outfits like Pierce's yellow dress, Jens USO stars and stripes outfit and Serena's FO orange Puma outfit.

I agree that Serena should stay with Nike. Serena atm is the face of the company. She on average wins a slam a year, performs well in the US where the company is trying to push their products and is a great international athlete, fashion icon and celebrity.

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 01:36 PM
It's not 51.1 millions.. It's 5.1 millions. Still, quite good..



I'm pretty sure Serena will end up resigning. I think the author of the article meant that Sharapova is in every Nike add.. and Serena isn't. They could use moer of her star power, as she has plenty.

not really considering she just became the "number 1" player........her agents must not be that good....

Olórin
Jan 19th, 2009, 01:45 PM
Serena's nike deal was around $50 million for 5 years. I don't think she got quite that much from it though, because she didn't win as much as she was supposed. I think it's base-level was around $40 million.

I'm interested as to whether it will be renewed or not. I assume Serena wants a new sponsor, I wonder what her other options are. :confused:

Ana and Jelena seem to be in good hands for now.

Cp6uja
Jan 19th, 2009, 01:46 PM
not really considering she just became the "number 1" player........her agents must not be that good....It's current market reality (thanks to global economic crisis). Since this year IMG represented her, but before her agents are really "amateurs". JJ tournaments shedule was disaster in last 3 seasons and thanks God she not reach some really serious injury playing almost every week month by month, year by year. Her old agents have big mistake making 1-year deal instead multiple-year contracts with Reebok and Prince. Her "commercial value" is not like Maria, Sisters or Ana, but she is first behind them, especially till hold #1 spot or at least TOP3-TOP5 position at WTA rankings.

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 01:55 PM
Serena's nike deal was around $50 million for 5 years. I don't think she got quite that much from it though, because she didn't win as much as she was supposed. I think it's base-level was around $40 million.

I'm interested as to whether it will be renewed or not. I assume Serena wants a new sponsor, I wonder what her other options are. :confused:

Ana and Jelena seem to be in good hands for now.

25 million was the base. another 26 million was the bonus. But she got most of it though. She received around 39 million since she has been with Nike. Serena won't quit Nike and Nike won't allow Serena to leave either. Serena is under talks with Nike for a 7 year contract grossing up to 90 million (bonuses included). Also does Serena get 10% on all clothes sold by Nike, wearing her name.

homogenius
Jan 19th, 2009, 02:01 PM
JJ made a smart choice.Now she has a feet in chinese market she'll be very represented there and will get others propositions in China.Plus, being the mean figure of Anta she'll have her own line and a unique status.
I like how she was not afraid of being a bit adventurous and made an unconventionnal choice, and I'm sure she's happy with that.

The one who seems in trouble is Venus.Hope for her she'll find some new contracts for Eleven.

CoolDude7
Jan 19th, 2009, 02:02 PM
the only reason serena is staying with nike is for the money! If it were not for that she would definitely be wearing her own line of clothing.

sunsfuns
Jan 19th, 2009, 02:22 PM
25 million was the base. another 26 million was the bonus. But she got most of it though. She received around 39 million since she has been with Nike. Serena won't quit Nike and Nike won't allow Serena to leave either. Serena is under talks with Nike for a 7 year contract grossing up to 90 million (bonuses included). Also does Serena get 10% on all clothes sold by Nike, wearing her name.

Does that really make sense for Nike? :confused:

Surely she is not going to play that long...

Renalicious
Jan 19th, 2009, 02:23 PM
Wtf. Whatever Serena, just wear Aneres. :hearts:

goldenlox
Jan 19th, 2009, 02:29 PM
"Nike has plowed substantial resources in tennis into Maria Sharapova"

And Nike has more fertile fields to plow than the Ponderosa

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 02:30 PM
Does that really make sense for Nike? :confused:

Surely she is not going to play that long...

Sure it does, Serena's marketbility will last beyond when she retires..... Look at Federer hes getting paid 2 mil per year for like the next 50 years with Wilson....

Of course I think the poster was prolly exagerating...
and i dont think Venus is in any danger either, if she wanted a sponsor im sure she could get one and for more than 5.1 over 3 years....:tape:

Anyways wasnt Sears picking up her line, or did that end with the economy?

drake3781
Jan 19th, 2009, 02:42 PM
Wtf. Whatever Serena, just wear Aneres. :hearts:


I want to wear Anares! Where can I get some pieces?!?! I cannot find a single thing anywhere. Does it exist?

sunsfuns
Jan 19th, 2009, 02:47 PM
All these ladies are very well provided for...

I wonder what is a situation with 2nd and 3rd tier players (as far as marketability is concerned)? Are folks like Petrova, Kuznetsova, Pennetta, Cibulkova, Zvonareva etc. also getting any substantial deals from anywhere?

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 03:03 PM
Does that really make sense for Nike? :confused:

Surely she is not going to play that long...

Serena is scheduled to play at least 5 more years. A contract doesn't stand next to playing, it means 7 years, you are only allowed to wear Nike when it's connected to tennis, this means, she could also just promote it once a while...

debopero
Jan 19th, 2009, 03:04 PM
25 million was the base. another 26 million was the bonus. But she got most of it though. She received around 39 million since she has been with Nike. Serena won't quit Nike and Nike won't allow Serena to leave either. Serena is under talks with Nike for a 7 year contract grossing up to 90 million (bonuses included). Also does Serena get 10% on all clothes sold by Nike, wearing her name.

link? :lol:

dreamgoddess099
Jan 19th, 2009, 03:18 PM
I want to wear Anares! Where can I get some pieces?!?! I cannot find a single thing anywhere. Does it exist?
Anytime someone mentions Aneres you post this same post. The last I heard, Aneres is currently being sold in some boutiques in FL and CA. Serena has a new line coming out called Signature Statement that will be on the home shopping network.

espntennis
Jan 19th, 2009, 03:49 PM
Serena is scheduled to play at least 5 more years. A contract doesn't stand next to playing, it means 7 years, you are only allowed to wear Nike when it's connected to tennis, this means, she could also just promote it once a while...

It'd be nice to read some information to back up the claims that you have been making. In terms of the utter size of this supposed deal Serena has been negotiating with Nike, you'd think there would have been at least some press. It's hard to take things you read from a poster on a WTA tennis message board at face value.

link? :lol:

Ditto.

alias
Jan 19th, 2009, 04:06 PM
There's no way Nike signs Serena to 7 year deal worth 90 million at this stage of her career.:lol:
Serena won't quit Nike and Nike won't allow Serena to leave either.
They didn't seem in a hurry to hang onto Agassi or Blake...

Tennisation
Jan 19th, 2009, 04:10 PM
there's no doubt that Serena will sign with Nike again if the offer comes up, but at this point, it is not up to her to decide. Nike is juggling with a bad economy and an unpopular sport. They're not sure if they want to re-sign Serena just like how they let James Blake go. If I was the CEO of Nike, I would chose Maria over Serena as well. Maria has a much more flatering figure and is more attractive, and that's what it takes to sell their products. There's a reason why Maria's stuff outsells Serena's. It isn't because Nike doesn't want to make nice outifts for Serena, it's because she can't look nice in them. I mean, can you imagine Serena in one of those girly girl outfits that Maria has, she'll look weird. With her figure at the moment, anything she wears is going to look ugly and that's not a good brand image for Nike and people will be turned off from buying that product line.

darrinbaker00
Jan 19th, 2009, 04:11 PM
Smart move for Jelena. I hope she can come up with some great outfits. We just don't get the great outfits of old no more. I loved outfits like Pierce's yellow dress, Jens USO stars and stripes outfit and Serena's FO orange Puma outfit.

I agree that Serena should stay with Nike. Serena atm is the face of the company. She on average wins a slam a year, performs well in the US where the company is trying to push their products and is a great international athlete, fashion icon and celebrity.
Not only is Serena not the face of Nike (Tiger Woods, LeBron James), she's not even the face of Nike Tennis (Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal).

LDVTennis
Jan 19th, 2009, 04:12 PM
It'd be nice to read some information to back up the claims that you have been making. In terms of the utter size of this supposed deal Serena has been negotiating with Nike, you'd think there would have been at least some press. It's hard to take things you read from a poster on a WTA tennis message board at face value.


For comparison purposes, Nike's contract with Tiger Woods is for five years, $100 million and with LeBron James seven years, $90 million.

So, let's compare.

darrinbaker00
Jan 19th, 2009, 04:13 PM
Does that really make sense for Nike? :confused:

Surely she is not going to play that long...
Mr. and Mrs. Agassi have lifetime deals with Adidas.

Olórin
Jan 19th, 2009, 04:28 PM
For comparison purposes, Nike's contract with Tiger Woods is for five years, $100 million and with LeBron James seven years, $90 million.

So, let's compare.

Lets compare what?

Do you ever know what you're talking about. The point of the post you quoted is that we know nothing about any supposed future deal with Nike, no details whatsover. What is there to compare?

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jan 19th, 2009, 05:07 PM
I would like to know how much money Elena Dementieva receives from Yonex as they pay a good money historically

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 05:12 PM
There's no way Nike signs Serena to 7 year deal worth 90 million at this stage of her career.:lol:

They didn't seem in a hurry to hang onto Agassi or Blake...

Endorsement deals with nike always go as following 3 years, 5 years, 7 years, lifetime. You can check any nike sponsored player (big names). Agassi left Nike because Nike didn't offer a big enough contract, and he wanted to change to Adidas. Blake didn't get a contract cause his results weren't there, and that's the first part in negotiation for a new contract.

Plus Serena has a Nike clothing line that's valid till 2011. Which she stated in 2004.

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 05:14 PM
For comparison purposes, Nike's contract with Tiger Woods is for five years, $100 million and with LeBron James seven years, $90 million.

So, let's compare.

Tiger woods is based at 100 million, he can get up double in bonuses, and he usually does, cause he always wins.

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 05:16 PM
there's no doubt that Serena will sign with Nike again if the offer comes up, but at this point, it is not up to her to decide. Nike is juggling with a bad economy and an unpopular sport. They're not sure if they want to re-sign Serena just like how they let James Blake go. If I was the CEO of Nike, I would chose Maria over Serena as well. Maria has a much more flatering figure and is more attractive, and that's what it takes to sell their products. There's a reason why Maria's stuff outsells Serena's. It isn't because Nike doesn't want to make nice outifts for Serena, it's because she can't look nice in them. I mean, can you imagine Serena in one of those girly girl outfits that Maria has, she'll look weird. With her figure at the moment, anything she wears is going to look ugly and that's not a good brand image for Nike and people will be turned off from buying that product line.

Nike isn't strucked by the crise, they have gained up to 20% in the tennis devision and about 5% in all devisions. Their profit was a few percentages lower than last year, but it's still all positive. Same for adidas.

Lulu.
Jan 19th, 2009, 05:18 PM
Serena + Puma = Serena slam :hearts::hearts:

I wish she were still with Puma. Too bad they don't pay enough. :(

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 05:23 PM
there's no doubt that Serena will sign with Nike again if the offer comes up, but at this point, it is not up to her to decide. Nike is juggling with a bad economy and an unpopular sport. They're not sure if they want to re-sign Serena just like how they let James Blake go. If I was the CEO of Nike, I would chose Maria over Serena as well. Maria has a much more flatering figure and is more attractive, and that's what it takes to sell their products. There's a reason why Maria's stuff outsells Serena's. It isn't because Nike doesn't want to make nice outifts for Serena, it's because she can't look nice in them. I mean, can you imagine Serena in one of those girly girl outfits that Maria has, she'll look weird. With her figure at the moment, anything she wears is going to look ugly and that's not a good brand image for Nike and people will be turned off from buying that product line.

They won't pick Maria over Serena. That will not happen because Serena is seen as a multiple all-surface and decade champion. Maria might get over Serena if she manages to win 6 more slams, before that they won't. Serena contributed to the biggest tennis sales boost by her own tennis line, which was very popular among all woman.

Nike and Adidas are also the only sport clothing brands that aren't struggling with the economy, their profits are still huge enough.

Dawn Marie
Jan 19th, 2009, 05:38 PM
there's no doubt that Serena will sign with Nike again if the offer comes up, but at this point, it is not up to her to decide. Nike is juggling with a bad economy and an unpopular sport. They're not sure if they want to re-sign Serena just like how they let James Blake go. If I was the CEO of Nike, I would chose Maria over Serena as well. Maria has a much more flatering figure and is more attractive, and that's what it takes to sell their products. There's a reason why Maria's stuff outsells Serena's. It isn't because Nike doesn't want to make nice outifts for Serena, it's because she can't look nice in them. I mean, can you imagine Serena in one of those girly girl outfits that Maria has, she'll look weird. With her figure at the moment, anything she wears is going to look ugly and that's not a good brand image for Nike and people will be turned off from buying that product line.
What a load of crap. Serena has the more flattering figure. She has a body. Can u imagine Maria in one of Serena's outfits? There would be no place to put Maria's lack of ass? The top portion would hang down to her belly.

Rumkin
Jan 19th, 2009, 05:53 PM
They won't pick Maria over Serena. That will not happen because Serena is seen as a multiple all-surface and decade champion. Maria might get over Serena if she manages to win 6 more slams, before that they won't. Serena contributed to the biggest tennis sales boost by her own tennis line, which was very popular among all woman.

Nike and Adidas are also the only sport clothing brands that aren't struggling with the economy, their profits are still huge enough.

Then why is it that most of the (televised) ads features Maria and not Serena? Maria also has a deal with Cole Haan Sporting line which is part of Nike, that must mean something about Nikes confidence in maria right?. It's obvious that nike puts maria more in the limelight than Serena, and I agree with Tennisnation maria is imo more marketable than serena.


What a load of crap. Serena has the more flattering figure. She has a body. Can u imagine Maria in one of Serena's outfits? There would be no place to put Maria's lack of ass? The top portion would hang down to her belly.

Ofcourse it wouldn't fit her, do you think that Serena would look flattering in one of Maria's outfits. She would have a problem just to cover up one boob :rolleyes:

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 06:04 PM
Then why is it that most of the (televised) ads features Maria and not Serena? Maria also has a deal with Cole Haan Sporting line which is part of Nike, that must mean something about Nikes confidence in maria right?. It's obvious that nike puts maria more in the limelight than Serena, and I agree with Tennisnation maria is imo more marketable than serena.




Ofcourse it wouldn't fit her, do you think that Serena would look flattering in one of Maria's outfits. She would have a problem just to cover up one boob :rolleyes:

lol how'd this turn into Maria vs. Serena.... anyways what ads are you seeing Maria in? I see her in NON tennis ads.... her power shot commercial etc.... but i dont see her in Nike ads....

Maria's contract with Nike isnt anywhere near as big as Serena's..... She may have more endorsements overall, but nike pays Serena more, and the fact that Maria's future is up in the air at this point and she herself has said she doesnt plan on playing past 25 and Nike is a sporting sponsor they will hire people who will actually be wearing their stuff....Serena will be their goto girl....

And i agree Serena is the face of nike for womens tennis. Anytime i see nike i see her face.....

P.S. the latest nike "tennis team uniform" magazine has Serena plastered all over it.... Maria's got like 1 photo.

raffles
Jan 19th, 2009, 06:09 PM
They won't pick Maria over Serena. That will not happen because Serena is seen as a multiple all-surface and decade champion. Maria might get over Serena if she manages to win 6 more slams, before that they won't. Serena contributed to the biggest tennis sales boost by her own tennis line, which was very popular among all woman.

Nike and Adidas are also the only sport clothing brands that aren't struggling with the economy, their profits are still huge enough.
But its not about how many slams Maria or Serean win, its how many clothes they can shift or who is the person that will make people want to buy Nike over other brands. I agree that its Maria, and its clear from the ad campaigns that Nike think so too. Are you folks forgetting about Anna K. It's not about the wins its about the image.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jan 19th, 2009, 06:11 PM
Does that really make sense for Nike? :confused:

Surely she is not going to play that long...

Michael Jordan is probably Nike's biggest seller, and I don't think he's played and NBA game in WELL over 6 year ;)

I want to wear Anares! Where can I get some pieces?!?! I cannot find a single thing anywhere. Does it exist?
Actually it's Aneres....

Anytime someone mentions Aneres you post this same post. The last I heard, Aneres is currently being sold in some boutiques in FL and CA. Serena has a new line coming out called Signature Statement that will be on the home shopping network.

You took the words RIGHT out of my mouth :lol:

There's no way Nike signs Serena to 7 year deal worth 90 million at this stage of her career.:lol:

They didn't seem in a hurry to hang onto Agassi or Blake...
:o PLEASE don't compare Serena to James Blake.......


Adidas bought Agassi out of his Nike contract. I don't know all of the specific details, but I remember it had something to do with the fact that Adidas was willing to donate money to Agassi's charity and Nike wasn't.

Plus Steffi was with Adidas. And now instead of using Wilson racquets, Steffi is the face of the Head AirFlow racquet line.

Rumkin
Jan 19th, 2009, 06:20 PM
lol how'd this turn into Maria vs. Serena.... anyways what ads are you seeing Maria in? I see her in NON tennis ads.... her power shot commercial etc.... but i dont see her in Nike ads....

Maria's contract with Nike isnt anywhere near as big as Serena's..... She may have more endorsements overall, but nike pays Serena more, and the fact that Maria's future is up in the air at this point and she herself has said she doesnt plan on playing past 25 and Nike is a sporting sponsor they will hire people who will actually be wearing their stuff....Serena will be their goto girl....

And i agree Serena is the face of nike for womens tennis. Anytime i see nike i see her face.....

P.S. the latest nike "tennis team uniform" magazine has Serena plastered all over it.... Maria's got like 1 photo.

Well if you want some examples
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8FAwMpR6D4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QAuIit5bmg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwI_-iB-qIk

And there are just normal Nike ads where maria is also featured. Like the ad for the olympics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ae3tFI8wXE and Maria didn't even played it.

so yeah there are plenty :wavey:

karimcartoon
Jan 19th, 2009, 06:24 PM
What the heck? James Blake doing Fila. Dude, stick with Nike. Why, why- he's probably getting a better deal at Nike but whatever.

volta
Jan 19th, 2009, 06:26 PM
What the heck? James Blake doing Fila. Dude, stick with Nike. Why, why- he's probably getting a better deal at Nike but whatever.

Nike gave that mental midget the boot :banana:

V's a star
Jan 19th, 2009, 06:27 PM
Did anyone know Venus launched the largest clothing line ever by a female athlete, read that sumwhere :hearts:

Lulu.
Jan 19th, 2009, 06:31 PM
Did anyone know Venus launched the largest clothing line ever by a female athlete, read that sumwhere :hearts:

Where exactly did you read that?

V's a star
Jan 19th, 2009, 06:38 PM
Where exactly did you read that?
http://www.jbgroupclassic.com/team_awards.php?teamId=1&playerId=12
dont be jealous :devil:

spice_of_life
Jan 19th, 2009, 06:40 PM
Serena is the face of Nike? :haha Um....ever heard of Tiger Woods? And anyway in tennis Federer (who has his own RF logo clothing/shoes) and Nadal are more the face of Nike than Serena.

I think most of the numbers thrown out in these deals are BS.

karimcartoon
Jan 19th, 2009, 06:42 PM
Nike gave that mental midget the boot :banana:

What? That is awful. He's in the top 10 and he's popular. They've even stuck by him since 2003. I've always liked Adidas a lot better than Nike though. The signature black and white tennis shoes are definitely awesome.

http://img.tennis-warehouse.com/ProductImages/ABCLS.JPG

alias
Jan 19th, 2009, 06:42 PM
Michael Jordan is probably Nike's biggest seller, and I don't think he's played and NBA game in WELL over 6 year
Michael Jordan has the Air Jordan brand which is a sub-divion of Nike. He will always be a big seller for Nike and the Jordan Brand.

Shawn
Jan 19th, 2009, 06:43 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/2007/11/15/2007-11-15_venus_williams_affordable_line_of_sports.html

CJ07
Jan 19th, 2009, 06:50 PM
They won't pick Maria over Serena. That will not happen because Serena is seen as a multiple all-surface and decade champion. Maria might get over Serena if she manages to win 6 more slams, before that they won't. Serena contributed to the biggest tennis sales boost by her own tennis line, which was very popular among all woman.

Nike and Adidas are also the only sport clothing brands that aren't struggling with the economy, their profits are still huge enough.
Blonde > Black

Sharapova is all Nike needs. Lets be honest here. They'll pick a blonde girl over a black girl all else being equal 99% of the time.

starin
Jan 19th, 2009, 06:52 PM
Majority of Tennis consumers in the US are White and middle to upper class. And Serena I guess isn't as popular w/ white people as Maria. The economy is bad though so Nike probably isn't offering Serena very much money. Serena will probably end up looking for a new home. I mean Maria's already been dropped from a couple of her sponsorships and even Tiger Woods has been dropped from a couple of his sponsorships as well.

And Jelena is smart, just go wherever there is money. Tennis is dying in the U.S. and if some Chinese company will offer you 5.1 million then take it, who gives rat's arse if noone's heard of the brand. And Reebok is stupid. They essentially dropped Venus for Vaidisova. What an amaze decision by them!! I'm sure that in the U.S. Venus is by far more popular than Vaidisova and has drummed up more press and been in the public eye much more than Vaidisova. But I guess all they cared about was that Vaidisova was tall, white bond and pretty and they assumed they could cash in on her. Anyways we all know that for women's tennis at least what you look like matters more than what you accomplish. Hell Anna K made more in endorsements than Navratilova probably ever did and she never won a singles title and played pro for like 5-6 years.

karimcartoon
Jan 19th, 2009, 06:56 PM
Blonde > Black

Sharapova is all Nike needs. Lets be honest here. They'll pick a blonde girl over a black girl all else being equal 99% of the time.

Yeah. Sadly there's discrimination everywhere. Everyone's biased in some sort, some more than others. But I mean if your white- middle to upper class who would you look up to? Serena Williams- who grew up in the ghetto or Maria Sharapova- a pretty blonde girl that happens to be Russian. Bah- they need to make money. Its' not fair- whatever. It is what it is. Take it or leave it.

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 06:57 PM
Majority of Tennis consumers in the US are White and middle to upper class. And Serena I guess isn't as popular w/ white people as Maria. The economy is bad though so Nike probably isn't offering Serena very much money. Serena will probably end up looking for a new home. I mean Maria's already been dropped from a couple of her sponsorships and even Tiger Woods has been dropped from a couple of his sponsorships as well.

And Jelena is smart, just go wherever there is money. Tennis is dying in the U.S. and if some Chinese company will offer you 5.1 million then take it, who gives rat's arse if noone's heard of the brand. And Reebok is stupid. They essentially dropped Venus for Vaidisova. What an amaze decision by them!! I'm sure that in the U.S. Venus is by far more popular than Vaidisova and has drummed up more press and been in the public eye much more than Vaidisova. But I guess all they cared about was that Vaidisova was tall, white bond and pretty and they assumed they could cash in on her. Anyways we all know that for women's tennis at least what you look like matters more than what you accomplish. Hell Anna K made more in endorsements than Navratilova probably ever did and she never won a singles title and played pro for like 5-6 years.

how did Reebok dump Venus, she left so she could have her own line....I dont think they had a choice in the matter.

starin
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:00 PM
how did Reebok dump Venus, she left so she could have her own line....I dont think they had a choice in the matter.

No I think I remember reading that Reebok at the time decided to not renew their contract w/ Venus. Similar story to Jelena. They probably didn't offer Venus enough money, ditto for Jelena and both walked away.

starin
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:05 PM
Yeah. Sadly there's discrimination everywhere. Everyone's biased in some sort, some more than others. But I mean if your white- middle to upper class who would you look up to? Serena Williams- who grew up in the ghetto or Maria Sharapova- a pretty blonde girl that happens to be Russian. Bah- they need to make money. Its' not fair- whatever. It is what it is. Take it or leave it.

I think it's just a female thing cuz men have no problem looking up to male black athletes as evidenced by Michael Jordan, tiger woods. Men don't care as much what their "idols" look like. And they are the ones primarily investing in the goods that these sports idols are selling. Female athletes in general I feel have to look pretty to be considered marketable. I think cuz women care more about their idols being pretty i guess. And men aren't going to be paying attention unless she's hot. And in general black features are less "attractive" than white features so Maria is more marketable than Serena at least in the eyes of advertising execs.

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:10 PM
No I think I remember reading that Reebok at the time decided to not renew their contract w/ Venus. Similar story to Jelena. They probably didn't offer Venus enough money, ditto for Jelena and both walked away.

no, the statement made was the contract was not renewed.....Venus' contract ended like in may 07. Everyone assumed that it was Reebok's choice. At Wimbledon Venus still wore Reebok everyone asked her about it and she said I have a little something in the works. It was announced like right after she won that she had her own line coming out. Venus already had stuff together by the US Open. I could be wrong here, but to me i would think it takes months maybe even a year to get an entire line together. And with the amount of stuff Venus had, its pretty clear it was her choice to leave cause she wanted to wear her own line and if she had been under contract with Reebok, she couldnt do that.

And to me, sorry, but without Venus now, Reebok must be hurting real bad if they cant give Jelena a better offer than 5.1 over 3 years...... of course they could have just thought she wasnt worth it. :tape:

Rumkin
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:12 PM
Majority of Tennis consumers in the US are White and middle to upper class. And Serena I guess isn't as popular w/ white people as Maria. The economy is bad though so Nike probably isn't offering Serena very much money. Serena will probably end up looking for a new home. I mean Maria's already been dropped from a couple of her sponsorships and even Tiger Woods has been dropped from a couple of his sponsorships as well.



which ones :shrug: and I don't think Nike is going to drop Serena, I mean Serena is (next to maria) their main woman tennis player. If they would let Serena go, who are they going to replace her with, Daniela :confused:

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:13 PM
I think it's just a female thing cuz men have no problem looking up to male black athletes as evidenced by Michael Jordan, tiger woods. Men don't care as much what their "idols" look like. And they are the ones primarily investing in the goods that these sports idols are selling. Female athletes in general I feel have to look pretty to be considered marketable. I think cuz women care more about their idols being pretty i guess. And men aren't going to be paying attention unless she's hot. And in general black features are less "attractive" than white features so Maria is more marketable than Serena at least in the eyes of advertising execs.

well, yes of course females are more judgemental than men, not to mention (at least here in the south) women are a LOT more racist than men are.

CJ07
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:14 PM
no, the statement made was the contract was not renewed.....Venus' contract ended like in may 07. Everyone assumed that it was Reebok's choice. At Wimbledon Venus still wore Reebok everyone asked her about it and she said I have a little something in the works. It was announced like right after she won that she had her own line coming out. Venus already had stuff together by the US Open. I could be wrong here, but to me i would think it takes months maybe even a year to get an entire line together. And with the amount of stuff Venus had, its pretty clear it was her choice to leave cause she wanted to wear her own line and if she had been under contract with Reebok, she couldnt do that.

And to me, sorry, but without Venus now, Reebok must be hurting real bad if they cant give Jelena a better offer than 5.1 over 3 years...... of course they could have just thought she wasnt worth it. :tape:
No, her contract expired in 2005. Thats why she recycled clothes for those last few years. (Remember it was a 5 year contract she signed in 2000). She just wore the clothes for free and she got a little something something out of bounds of the contract. It was basically next to free advertising.

But I mean, what else was she going to wear? Particularly because she had that DVF stuff.

CJ07
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:16 PM
Yeah. Sadly there's discrimination everywhere. Everyone's biased in some sort, some more than others. But I mean if your white- middle to upper class who would you look up to? Serena Williams- who grew up in the ghetto or Maria Sharapova- a pretty blonde girl that happens to be Russian. Bah- they need to make money. Its' not fair- whatever. It is what it is. Take it or leave it.
Well, its two different things. White guys watch sports and play sports and the best players are all black.

On the other hand, most women who would buy those clothes wear it at the Country Club, so obviously its two different things - you don't see too many Serena-type ladies hanging out at the pool canteen or the pro shop.

Lulu.
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:18 PM
http://www.jbgroupclassic.com/team_awards.php?teamId=1&playerId=12
dont be jealous :devil:

Never.

thegreendestiny
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:20 PM
I think it's just a female thing cuz men have no problem looking up to male black athletes as evidenced by Michael Jordan, tiger woods. Men don't care as much what their "idols" look like. And they are the ones primarily investing in the goods that these sports idols are selling. Female athletes in general I feel have to look pretty to be considered marketable. I think cuz women care more about their idols being pretty i guess. And men aren't going to be paying attention unless she's hot. And in general black features are less "attractive" than white features so Maria is more marketable than Serena at least in the eyes of advertising execs.


I have to agree with this. It's not because Serena is black that she doesnt get as much sponsorship as Maria's. I think it's based on how marketable they look like when presented to the public. Hell, if Serena looked like Halle Berry then she should would have been the highest paid female athlete of all time given her tennis success. But she's not.

alias
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:22 PM
I don't think Nike will drop Serena either, but I don't believe she will get a 7 year deal worth 90 million.

starin
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:22 PM
no, the statement made was the contract was not renewed.....Venus' contract ended like in may 07. Everyone assumed that it was Reebok's choice. At Wimbledon Venus still wore Reebok everyone asked her about it and she said I have a little something in the works. It was announced like right after she won that she had her own line coming out. Venus already had stuff together by the US Open. I could be wrong here, but to me i would think it takes months maybe even a year to get an entire line together. And with the amount of stuff Venus had, its pretty clear it was her choice to leave cause she wanted to wear her own line and if she had been under contract with Reebok, she couldnt do that.

And to me, sorry, but without Venus now, Reebok must be hurting real bad if they cant give Jelena a better offer than 5.1 over 3 years...... of course they could have just thought she wasnt worth it. :tape:

I don't think Venus was sponsored by Reebok in 2005. at the point she was just recycling dresses.She went about 2 years w/ no clothing sponsorship I think. That's why it was so gallign they would sign Vaidisova who essentially had done nothing and to this day hasn't done anything to warrant such a deal. And it's not like she's popular in the U.S. either. I'd venture a lot more people know who Venus Williams is than Vaidisova. Although to be fair she may have been paid less than what venus was asking for.

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:26 PM
Serena is the face of Nike? :haha Um....ever heard of Tiger Woods? And anyway in tennis Federer (who has his own RF logo clothing/shoes) and Nadal are more the face of Nike than Serena.

I think most of the numbers thrown out in these deals are BS.

Serena Williams had her own logo since 2004. Federer since end of 2005, cause he wanted what Serena had. Serena Williams was the face for Tennis, but now she is just for the womens devision with co-partner Maria.

You can believe what you want, but they are the truth. Stay ignorant as you wish to be.

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:30 PM
Blonde > Black

Sharapova is all Nike needs. Lets be honest here. They'll pick a blonde girl over a black girl all else being equal 99% of the time.

Nope, ask anyone who Serena Williams is, they will tell you she's black and an athlete. Ask who Maria Sharapova is, they will tell you she's a blond model.

Serena Williams is seen as a Champion, and Maria is seen as a marketing machine.

raffles
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:31 PM
As a woman don't find the Williams sisters at all attractive and all the men I've asked don't find them attractive either, in fact the things they say about their looks would probably get me banned if I posted them here. They all prefered the blonde Eastern European girls and so did all of the lesbians I know as well. They only gay guy I ever talked about tennis with was a big Justine fan(he loved her game not her look of course).

davidmario
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:31 PM
I hope Vee will sign with a better retailer than SB. There are so many people who want to buy her stuff FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD - an online store is very much needed!

MrSerenaWilliams
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:33 PM
Serena Williams had her own logo since 2004. Federer since end of 2005, cause he wanted what Serena had. Serena Williams was the face for Tennis, but now she is just for the womens devision with co-partner Maria.

You can believe what you want, but they are the truth. Stay ignorant as you wish to be.


True story:

http://img.tennis-warehouse.com/big/NAMSWW-big.jpg

if you look on the tongue, there's a special 'SW' logo that almost no other player has on their shoe....not on the back....on the TONGUE, so EVERYONE that buys that shoe is wearing Serena Williams' shoe.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/writers/jon_wertheim/09/06/bag/p1_serena.jpg

Proof that Serena was her own brand back in 2004...with the specialized headband which sports the same logo as the shoes in 2004 ;)


http://i42.tinypic.com/2i0gdia.jpg

....and my reading may be a little shoddy, but WHAT exactly does it say in the background?

When was the last time a player had a fashion show/interview in front of reporters for their outfits?

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:34 PM
Then why is it that most of the (televised) ads features Maria and not Serena? Maria also has a deal with Cole Haan Sporting line which is part of Nike, that must mean something about Nikes confidence in maria right?. It's obvious that nike puts maria more in the limelight than Serena, and I agree with Tennisnation maria is imo more marketable than serena.

Serena has the Serena Williams line at Nike ($125million) SINCE 2004, she has a staff of 40 people designing for her demands, while sharapova has no imput at all, besides color and material.

If you didn't know this, you clearly don't know anything about the subject at all and you should just shut up.

Rumkin
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:35 PM
Serena Williams had her own logo since 2004. Federer since end of 2005, cause he wanted what Serena had. Serena Williams was the face for Tennis, but now she is just for the womens devision with co-partner Maria.

You can believe what you want, but they are the truth. Stay ignorant as you wish to be.


It would be more convincing if you could back up this whole multimillion deal that Serena is supposed to sign with Nike with links or articles :cool:

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:37 PM
But its not about how many slams Maria or Serean win, its how many clothes they can shift or who is the person that will make people want to buy Nike over other brands. I agree that its Maria, and its clear from the ad campaigns that Nike think so too. Are you folks forgetting about Anna K. It's not about the wins its about the image.

Serena Williams clothes sell a lot more than Maria's. Serena boosted the sales in 2004 by 10-20% and that never dropped under the 10%. Her outfits also sold many times more than any other Nike piece in the tennis devision.

Toss it or turn it, Serena is the highest paid tennis star with Nike up to date. Serena Williams doesn't do many adds because she simply has no time left for it, Serena was asked in 5 ads by Nike last year and she only accepted 1.

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:38 PM
It would be more convincing if you could back up this whole multimillion deal that Serena is supposed to sign with Nike with links or articles :cool:

You could just look on the Nike press website or send the Nike financial management an e-mail and get the numbers yourself, I know the facts, I'm not gonna bother to prove yall right.

starin
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:40 PM
I have to agree with this. It's not because Serena is black that she doesnt get as much sponsorship as Maria's. I think it's based on how marketable they look like when presented to the public. Hell, if Serena looked like Halle Berry then she should would have been the highest paid female athlete of all time given her tennis success. But she's not.

Race does have something to do with it though. White European feature are considered more attractive than African features. It's not a coincidence that the majority of black celebreties who are considered very beautiful are part white or have European features. Perfect example: Halle Berry and Barack Obama. Both half white. Halle Berry is probably more than half white seeing as her father was African American and almost all African Americans have some white blood mixed in them somewhere in their lineage.


And what's w/ the Maria/ Serena competition. Maria is more marketable than Serena because they are women and Maria is "prettier" to most people. Hell Anna K made more than most tennis players ever did and she didn't do squat on court. That alone should tell you how relevant results are in women's sports. Women care about looks and they wonder why advertising promotes such unrealisitc body images for women.

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:42 PM
I have to agree with this. It's not because Serena is black that she doesnt get as much sponsorship as Maria's. I think it's based on how marketable they look like when presented to the public. Hell, if Serena looked like Halle Berry then she should would have been the highest paid female athlete of all time given her tennis success. But she's not.

Its got more to do with time, Kournikova had a decent deal first, then Venus had a HUGE deal, then Serena, then maria..... the next "it" girl of tennis MAY get the next one, but prolly not with the state of tennis....
These girls came around when tennis was big or maybe tennis got big because of them..... who knows, but basically had it gone the otherway around say Maria had come first she wouldnt have gotten that big of a deal.....Maria's sponsors will prolly start falling off soon too.

I don't think Venus was sponsored by Reebok in 2005. at the point she was just recycling dresses.She went about 2 years w/ no clothing sponsorship I think. That's why it was so gallign they would sign Vaidisova who essentially had done nothing and to this day hasn't done anything to warrant such a deal. And it's not like she's popular in the U.S. either. I'd venture a lot more people know who Venus Williams is than Vaidisova. Although to be fair she may have been paid less than what venus was asking for.

Venus was def. sponsored by Reebok in 2005... her 05 Us Open outfit was the only time i saw her wear it. She also was sponsored in 2006(the 3 times she played)/2007 up until she left them. they even said so, it wasn't near her original deal. Tough to say they she repeated dresses in 07 as I honestly only saw her at Wimbledon in Reebok, and lets face it most of the wimbledon white dresses look the same.....

Rumkin
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:45 PM
Serena has the Serena Williams line at Nike ($125million) SINCE 2004, she has a staff of 40 people designing for her demands, while sharapova has no imput at all, besides color and material.

If you didn't know this, you clearly don't know anything about the subject at all and you should just shut up.

ok you don't have be so rude about it :rolleyes:

You also don't know nothing about the deal Maria has with Nike. She DOES have input in some of her outfits. Maria stated that in one of her doodles:

On another note, I wanted to let everyone know that I started working with a new Nike design team end of last year and have been working very hard on this years dresses. I cannot wait to play in them and unfortunately will have to debut the Australian dress a little later. There will be six of them altogether, changing colors in between the grand slams. The color palette is stunning and starting in 2010 you will see some really cool graphics.


And like I said she also works with cole haan, subdivision of Nike where she is going to work with a team of designers on a line.

Br'er Rabbit
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:47 PM
For the person who asked about Aneres, Serena told Regis on Million Dollar Password it will be out in 2010.

kyk710
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:47 PM
As a woman don't find the Williams sisters at all attractive and all the men I've asked don't find them attractive either, in fact the things they say about their looks would probably get me banned if I posted them here. They all prefered the blonde Eastern European girls and so did all of the lesbians I know as well. They only gay guy I ever talked about tennis with was a big Justine fan(he loved her game not her look of course).

I'm glad I don't live where you live :o... Because where I am there are plenty of people who don't "prefer blonde Eastern Europeans", who can recognize beauty in people of African (Serena ) and European ( Maria) descent. I know people have different tastes, but it seems kind of farfetched to say that nobody you know finds either Williams sister attractive, while "all" the people you know find Eastern European girls more attractive in general.

starin
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:49 PM
Its got more to do with time, Kournikova had a decent deal first, then Venus had a HUGE deal, then Serena, then maria..... the next "it" girl of tennis MAY get the next one, but prolly not with the state of tennis....
These girls came around when tennis was big or maybe tennis got big because of them..... who knows, but basically had it gone the otherway around say Maria had come first she wouldnt have gotten that big of a deal.....Maria's sponsors will prolly start falling off soon too.



Venus was def. sponsored by Reebok in 2005... her 05 Us Open outfit was the only time i saw her wear it. She also was sponsored in 2006(the 3 times she played)/2007 up until she left them. they even said so, it wasn't near her original deal. Tough to say they she repeated dresses in 07 as I honestly only saw her at Wimbledon in Reebok, and lets face it most of the wimbledon white dresses look the same.....

http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/47493 (http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/47493)
I'm glad Jelena left Reebok. And it's criminal that Venus doesn't have a decent clothing sponsor. She should partner w/ Walmart, they are one of the few companies not completely collapsing so far in the current economy.

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:53 PM
ok you don't have be so rude about it :rolleyes:

You also don't know nothing about the deal Maria has with Nike. She DOES have input in some of her outfits. Maria stated that in one of her doodles:



And like I said she also works with cole haan, subdivision of Nike where she is going to work with a team of designers on a line.

I know well enough about Maria's imput, she has some imput, but Serena can costumize it completely, Maria can't, because Serena has the fashion degree, and clothes need to get sold afterwards, that why they don't let her customize it completely.

Nike gave Serena Williams a clothing line, that's worth $125 million at the start of it and she earns 10% of all sales with her name on it. While sharapova doesn't get both privelleges, at least not for now.

CJ07
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:54 PM
Its got more to do with time, Kournikova had a decent deal first, then Venus had a HUGE deal, then Serena, then maria..... the next "it" girl of tennis MAY get the next one, but prolly not with the state of tennis....
These girls came around when tennis was big or maybe tennis got big because of them..... who knows, but basically had it gone the otherway around say Maria had come first she wouldnt have gotten that big of a deal.....Maria's sponsors will prolly start falling off soon too.



Venus was def. sponsored by Reebok in 2005... her 05 Us Open outfit was the only time i saw her wear it. She also was sponsored in 2006(the 3 times she played)/2007 up until she left them. they even said so, it wasn't near her original deal. Tough to say they she repeated dresses in 07 as I honestly only saw her at Wimbledon in Reebok, and lets face it most of the wimbledon white dresses look the same.....
Venus just wore different versions of the same outfits from 2005-2007. The Diane Von Furstenburg line in 2004 was her last original clothing from Reebok. She was getting paid a little bit, but it was out of bounds of a contract.

Frankly, I don't think she cared that much.

raffles
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:54 PM
I'm glad I don't live where you live :o... Because where I am there are plenty of people who don't "prefer blonde Eastern Europeans", who can recognize beauty in people of African (Serena ) and European ( Maria) descent. I know people have different tastes, but it seems kind of farfetched to say that nobody you know finds either Williams sister attractive, while "all" the people you know find Eastern European girls more attractive in general.
Well good for you living where you do but people asked about why Maria is more marketable than the Williams and I can say that bears out in the people I know. Also it's not all the people I know, its all the people I've talked to about this matter.

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:57 PM
Aneres will be released around september at a few stores in New York, Miami and Los Angeles.

Marilyn Monheaux
Jan 19th, 2009, 07:57 PM
which ones :shrug: and I don't think Nike is going to drop Serena, I mean Serena is (next to maria) their main woman tennis player. If they would let Serena go, who are they going to replace her with, Daniela :confused:

She's not with Gatorade & Tropicana any longer. They're running this "G" ads now featuring a whole lot of athletes, including Serena, but Maria is not a part of it

As for the sales thing I can easily imagine that Serena's tuff outsells Masha's line!
Just look at their Charleston '08 outfits for example.
Masha's outfit sure looks great on her but the "average female tennis fan" would look horrific in a skirt that revealing paired with that ruffled top.
On the contrary, Serena's outfit was something almost anybody would look good in.
Granted, it didn't have the "wow" factor most of Masha's outfits have but it definitely sells among all ages.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/MeSuhsie/siren_4.jpg
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/MeSuhsie/41066_Amelia_Island_Tennissff.jpg

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/MeSuhsie/capt1102f4c0840246108aae204b88e8959.jpg

Rumkin
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:02 PM
She's not with Gatorade & Tropicana any longer. They're running this "G" ads now featuring a whole lot of athletes, including Serena, but Maria is not a part of it

Yeah I thought about that, but I read that she signed a better deal with Enlyten and that's why she isn't with Gatorade and tropicana (both are from Pepsico) anymore.

soulja_boy_swag
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:05 PM
serena and nike are still on good terms, if yall notice the little white lady with the dark hair that always sits with oracene at all the australian opens and u.s opens, is a represenative with nike. these hatas what people to think nike is dissing serena.

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:07 PM
Venus just wore different versions of the same outfits from 2005-2007. The Diane Von Furstenburg line in 2004 was her last original clothing from Reebok. She was getting paid a little bit, but it was out of bounds of a contract.

Frankly, I don't think she cared that much.

Venus didnt sign her contract until 2001.....she was convered until the end of 2005.... This is what she wore at the Us Open:
http://www.tennis.com.au/pages/image.aspx?assetid=RDM39473.5519818171&blobType=landscape

She didnt wear it anywhere else, this was her last Reebok "original".....as I said she wasnt under her original contract but she wasn't getting paid next to nothing.... was she getting the 8 million per year from them as her original contract said? no...but she was still getting paid.

alias
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:10 PM
Reebok asks do-over on Venus’ $40M deal

Sneaker giant says no to 2 option years

By DANIEL KAPLAN
Staff writer

Published March 22, 2004 : Page 01
Editor's note: This story is revised from the print edition.
Reebok earlier this year declined to pick up the option on the final two years of tennis star Venus Williams' historic endorsement contract. The sneaker giant is trying to negotiate a new deal with Williams, who continues to wear the company's tennis dresses and shoes although she is not being paid to do so.
The development is surprising because in December 2000, when Reebok signed Williams to what was at the time the largest sports endorsement ever for a woman, the much-ballyhooed contract was billed as lasting five years. That would have taken the deal through 2005 and paid the star up to $40 million.

However, the contract included a previously undisclosed option for 2004 and 2005. Likely because of a ranking decline sparked by injuries that have kept her from playing for lengthy stretches, Williams may not have reached certain performance hurdles by December 2003 that would have kept the contract intact. She was ranked No. 17 last week, and closed 2003 at No. 11.
While Williams already has received more than $21 million from the deal, under which payments grew each year, sources said, it appears unlikely she will end up with all the money touted in press reports three years ago.
http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/37547

starin
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:10 PM
which ones :shrug: and I don't think Nike is going to drop Serena, I mean Serena is (next to maria) their main woman tennis player. If they would let Serena go, who are they going to replace her with, Daniela :confused:

Tiger woods I know was dropped by GM.
They wouldn't replace Serena with anyone. Just the other female players they already sponsor who probably aren't paid too much. That's the problem, women's tennis is dead in the U.S. Viewership is down and barely any coverage is given to women's tennis anymore. Even in the slams here, ESPN is showing a lot more men's matches than women's matches. In fact even Serena/Venus/Maria matches have been interrupted for some random men's match like Davydenko v. unkonwn player.

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:11 PM
True story:

http://img.tennis-warehouse.com/big/NAMSWW-big.jpg

if you look on the tongue, there's a special 'SW' logo that almost no other player has on their shoe....not on the back....on the TONGUE, so EVERYONE that buys that shoe is wearing Serena Williams' shoe.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/writers/jon_wertheim/09/06/bag/p1_serena.jpg

Proof that Serena was her own brand back in 2004...with the specialized headband which sports the same logo as the shoes in 2004 ;)


http://i42.tinypic.com/2i0gdia.jpg

....and my reading may be a little shoddy, but WHAT exactly does it say in the background?

When was the last time a player had a fashion show/interview in front of reporters for their outfits?

They call it Eleven by Venus. ;)

starin
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:14 PM
http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/37547

:o so wrong. Venus won Wimbledon '05 wearing Reebok for free. :barf: I'm glad Jelena left and now all Reebok's left w/ is Slumpsova. But in general I think Reebok doesn't care about tennis. I wonder what Mauresmo's deal is w/ them.

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:18 PM
http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/37547

http://www.cnbc.com/id/19677553
Venus Williams might have won more than $1.3 million for winning Wimbledon on Saturday, but she'll pick up an additional check from the folks at Reebok. The company signed Williams to the largest endorsement contract in women's sports history in December 2000, but due to the on again, off again nature of her play the company chose not to renew Williams after the three-year deal expired. But she still gets paid to wear the Reebok brand even though she's not technically pitched on the company's roster of athletes.

"Reebok and Venus Williams have had a longstanding relationship and we are proud that she continues to support the brand by wearing Reebok performance footwear and apparel both on and off the court," said Todd Krinsky, the brand's vice president of sports and entertainment marketing.


Its clear Venus had a deal with them. you dont just write a "bonus" check for someone you dont have a deal with. sure for a month venus was wearing reebok without a deal in 2004... thats what happens when you are in renegotiations....

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:21 PM
Reebok just like Puma is withdrawing from tennis.

alias
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:21 PM
:o so wrong. Venus won Wimbledon '05 wearing Reebok for free. :barf: I'm glad Jelena left and now all Reebok's left w/ is Slumpsova. But in general I think Reebok doesn't care about tennis. I wonder what Mauresmo's deal is w/ them.
I agree.

LDVTennis
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:22 PM
Lets compare what?



You're right. There is no comparison. Serena is not at or near her peak anymore; she does not have widespread global appeal; and, above all else, her image is not consistent with the brand and its styling. That is why she won't be getting Tiger- and Lebron-type money.

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:22 PM
http://www.cnbc.com/id/19677553


Its clear Venus had a deal with them. you dont just write a "bonus" check for someone you dont have a deal with. sure for a month venus was wearing reebok without a deal in 2004... thats what happens when you are in renegotiations....

You can get money for not having a contract, it's not usual, but it's certainly not impossible

LDVTennis
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:27 PM
Reebok just like Puma is withdrawing from tennis.

Did you get this tidbit of information from the same place where you read that Serena is about to sign a $90 million contract with Nike? I wonder.

FYI... Reebok is owned by Adidas. They are withdrawing from tennis as much as Adidas is, meaning that any attempt at cleaning out the Reebok endorsement closet has to be seen as an attempt by the corporate parent to streamline the marketing activities at both units.

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:34 PM
Did you get this tidbit of information from the same place where you read that Serena is about to sign a $90 million contract with Nike? I wonder.

FYI... Reebok is owned by Adidas. They are withdrawing from tennis as much as Adidas is, meaning that any attempt at cleaning out the Reebok endorsement closet has to be seen as an attempt by the corporate parent to streamline the marketing activities at both units.

Puma withdrew for a while because tennis wasn't profitable enough, same Reebok is starting right now, they are firing people so it's logical that they will fire the smaller lines in their company too, until the economy is stable again.

It's a thing all companies are doing right now. FYI read the financial times or learn something about how the Economy and global companies work.

HRHoliviasmith
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:37 PM
serena and nike are still on good terms, if yall notice the little white lady with the dark hair that always sits with oracene at all the australian opens and u.s opens, is a represenative with nike. these hatas what people to think nike is dissing serena.

thanks,i've been trying to figure out who she is.

raffles
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:39 PM
People talking up Serena's influence or importance are forgetting about emerging markets in Asia where Maria is more popular than either of the Williams sisters. It's also not just about selling a particular tennis dress but associating the player with the brand so that when it comes to making a purchase the buyer will find Nike more appealing because Maria wears it, not that they specifically want to wear a dress that Maria wore.

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:46 PM
People talking up Serena's influence or importance are forgetting about emerging markets in Asia where Maria is more popular than either of the Williams sisters. It's also not just about selling a particular tennis dress but associating the player with the brand so that when it comes to making a purchase the buyer will find Nike more appealing because Maria wears it, not that they specifically want to wear a dress that Maria wore.

That's why all asians tournaments are screaming to get any Williams sister there and they don't even mention Maria there. Serena's clothes sell more than Maria's, figures prove it, case closed.

CJ07
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:58 PM
http://www.cnbc.com/id/19677553


Its clear Venus had a deal with them. you dont just write a "bonus" check for someone you dont have a deal with. sure for a month venus was wearing reebok without a deal in 2004... thats what happens when you are in renegotiations....
Getting paid and having a contract are two different things.

Olórin
Jan 19th, 2009, 08:59 PM
You're right. There is no comparison. Serena is not at or near her peak anymore; she does not have widespread global appeal; and, above all else, her image is not consistent with the brand and its styling. That is why she won't be getting Tiger- and Lebron-type money.

No she won't. No shock here. :shrug:

My point was that your post was, as often is the case, an airy-fairy comment on nothing, designed to disparage Serena. But I guess there's really...no shock here.

volta
Jan 19th, 2009, 09:04 PM
Puma withdrew for a while because tennis wasn't profitable enough, same Reebok is starting right now, they are firing people so it's logical that they will fire the smaller lines in their company too, until the economy is stable again.

It's a thing all companies are doing right now. FYI read the financial times or learn something about how the Economy and global companies work.

isn't Reebok owned by Adidas now?

btw ur avatar *takes a deep breath*SIGH :drool:

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 09:07 PM
isn't Reebok owned by Adidas now?

btw ur avatar *takes a deep breath*SIGH :drool:

Depends how they are owned. They probably don't have shared or joint accounts, or reebok could still be owner but adidas just claims a huge share of profit, it really depends which form of ownership adidas took.

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 09:14 PM
Getting paid and having a contract are two different things.

Getting paid, and having a contract go hand in hand...... big companies arent just gonna pay a player if they arent contracted to do so.....Just because YOU don't know what her deal was doesnt mean she didnt have one.

raffles
Jan 19th, 2009, 09:15 PM
That's why all asians tournaments are screaming to get any Williams sister there and they don't even mention Maria there. Serena's clothes sell more than Maria's, figures prove it, case closed.
Yet you cannot provide any of these figures that prove it.

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 09:16 PM
That's why all asians tournaments are screaming to get any Williams sister there and they don't even mention Maria there. Serena's clothes sell more than Maria's, figures prove it, case closed.

yeah... asians love black people..... the Williams' are def more marketable in asia. Look at the Olympics... the men's basketball team. (black folk) were the most popular.... they even cheered for them over yao meng

raffles
Jan 19th, 2009, 09:18 PM
yeah... asians love black people..... the Williams' are def more marketable in asia. Look at the Olympics... the men's basketball team. (black folk) were the most popular.... they even cheered for them over yao mengAre you being sarcastic?

supergrunt
Jan 19th, 2009, 09:19 PM
All the Williams sisters can do is keep winning. i think they realize that now.. especially Serena. Screw racist Americans who'd rather adopt some blonde wannabe over their own! :armed:

CJ07
Jan 19th, 2009, 09:21 PM
Getting paid, and having a contract go hand in hand...... big companies arent just gonna pay a player if they arent contracted to do so.....Just because YOU don't know what her deal was doesnt mean she didnt have one.
Did you not read the article? Thats what companies would rather have. When you're contractually obliged to pay someone, you have to pay them regardless of their result or your individual situation. Thats why companies give themselves options to drop people at a certain point or to buyout the remainder of a person's contract to save money.

It sounded like they had a pay-as-you-go arrangement rather than a fixed $10 million for 3 years type deal. It was cheaper for them to do that then pay the remainder of what they owed her under the original contract.

volta
Jan 19th, 2009, 09:21 PM
Depends how they are owned. They probably don't have shared or joint accounts, or reebok could still be owner but adidas just claims a huge share of profit, it really depends which form of ownership adidas took.

oh i just read a reply stating that they do :lol:

oh i see what u mean, me im just happy that they have no player at the top anymore :banana:

youizahoe
Jan 19th, 2009, 09:24 PM
Yet you cannot provide any of these figures that prove it.

Like I said, you can be not lazy for once and e-mail Nike for it, those numbers are transparent and everyone can obtain them if you ask the Nike Financial Team.

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 09:29 PM
Did you not read the article? Thats what companies would rather have. When you're contractually obliged to pay someone, you have to pay them regardless of their result or your individual situation. Thats why companies give themselves options to drop people at a certain point or to buyout the remainder of a person's contract to save money.

It sounded like they had a pay-as-you-go arrangement rather than a fixed $10 million for 3 years type deal. It was cheaper for them to do that then pay the remainder of what they owed her under the original contract.

Do you know anything about contracts. what you described is a contract dear. Its not like they were like, oh you won wearing our stuff, well we'll see what we can give you.....

Anyways. Venus signed a contract with Reebok in 1991 for 10 million.. when that contract ran out she happened to be hold 2 grand slam titles so she signed a bigger one.....when the option on that one wasnt picked up, she probably just went back down to a deal similar to her previous contract with bonus....

You honestly think Reebok was not paying her off the court 2004-2007.... if thats the case why was she still banking 14 mil in those years (Off the court) behind only Serena(20) and Sharapova (25) with Davenport (8) a destant 4th

drake3781
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:00 PM
Anytime someone mentions Aneres you post this same post. The last I heard, Aneres is currently being sold in some boutiques in FL and CA. Serena has a new line coming out called Signature Statement that will be on the home shopping network.


If that is true, I will personally go to one of them in the next 6 months (prefer Florida; if it's California I may have to do it by phone) and buy a piece of ANERES. I will also buy something for you (at the time, we can connect to let me know what you like).

If that is not true, will you stop spreading misinformation, and stop believing it?

Now, I just need the name and phone number of one, preferably two-three, of these boutiques in FL and CA.

=========

Yeah, I heard about the HSN line. Should be interesting to see how that evolves, and to see how it is sold - models, sales pitch, etc. That will be great if it is good merchandise, well priced, maybe wearable for tennis or at least workout.

CJ07
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:03 PM
Do you know anything about contracts. what you described is a contract dear. Its not like they were like, oh you won wearing our stuff, well we'll see what we can give you.....

Anyways. Venus signed a contract with Reebok in 1991 for 10 million.. when that contract ran out she happened to be hold 2 grand slam titles so she signed a bigger one.....when the option on that one wasnt picked up, she probably just went back down to a deal similar to her previous contract with bonus....

You honestly think Reebok was not paying her off the court 2004-2007.... if thats the case why was she still banking 14 mil in those years (Off the court) behind only Serena(20) and Sharapova (25) with Davenport (8) a destant 4th
Her original contract gave her a guarantee, whatever arrangement she had with Reebok did not have a guarantee - neither in renumeration nor in time period.

Did she have something written down on paper? Probably, and by definition that would be a contract. However, she did not have a "contract" in the traditional sense of the term.

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:09 PM
Her original contract gave her a guarantee, whatever arrangement she had with Reebok did not have a guarantee - neither in renumeration nor in time period.

Did she have something written down on paper? Probably, and by definition that would be a contract. However, she did not have a "contract" in the traditional sense of the term.

and how do you know this? are you on Venus williams team? or the reebok team? do you handle her affairs.....
I'm sorry, but if you honestly think that an 11 year old Venus had a contract with guranteed money for 10 years and a 24 year old 4 time grand slam winner went without a guranteed money contract for 3 years you must also believe Elvis is running around out there somewhere......

starin
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:12 PM
If that is true, I will personally go to one of them in the next 6 months (prefer Florida; if it's California I may have to do it by phone) and buy a piece of ANERES. I will also buy something for you (at the time, we can connect to let me know what you like).

If that is not true, will you stop spreading misinformation, and stop believing it?

Now, I just need the name and phone number of one, preferably two-three, of these boutiques in FL and CA.

=========

Yeah, I heard about the HSN line. Should be interesting to see how that evolves, and to see how it is sold - models, sales pitch, etc. That will be great if it is good merchandise, well priced, maybe wearable for tennis or at least workout.

I was wondering have out donated to an African Charity like you said you would? If you have would you please provide proof of your charitable donation and how much you gave? k thx. :wavey:

RFSTB
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:15 PM
Federer signed a 10yr/$130M contract with Nike in January '08. It was the largest contract Nike ever signed with any athlete, surpassing even Tiger's 10yr/$100M and LeBron's 7yr/$90M. Now with the recession, fewer and fewer people will be buying Nike's $200 sneakers. Soon deflation will set in and they'll have to lower the price of their sneakers to stay competitive. Meanwhile, they are locked into these expensive long term endorsement contracts. I think Nike will sign very few new contracts from this point on, especially long term ones. I would be very very surprised if they sign another tennis player considering the sport's dwindling popularity in the US.

The economy aside, a lot of times these long terms contracts are like the kiss of death. A top athlete gets a long term contract while at their peak, and almost immediately their career goes into decline. It happened with Venus, Serena, Federer and Maria. Serena & Venus' marketability took a big hit after 2003 when they began to turn in inconsistent results due to injuries/lack of commitment. When Maria comes back, I think her marketability will also take a big hit. I believe one big reason Nike signed Federer to such a huge contract is because of his popularity in China. Nike's sales were flat last year in the US/Europe but they still made a profit thanks to large increase in sales in China.

Many of the major endorsers/sponsors of tennis tournaments are reporting losses and layoffs, Reebok, Mercedes Benz, Acura, Lexus, EastWest Bank, American Express, Motorola, Sony Ericsson, Barclay's, not to mention those luxury brands that are hurting more than anyone in this recession, Rolex, Raymond Weil...the days of big money in athlete endorsements are over. Companies are going to be a lot more cautious now in selecting athletes who they think will deliver the results over time, stay out of trouble and going with shorter contracts, less money, if at all.

starin
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:18 PM
Top earning Female Athletes of '08:

1. Sharapova 26 million
2. Serena Williams 14 million
3. Venus Williams 13 million
4. Ana Ivonivic 6 million

Sharapova is clearly top dawg atm in terms of off court money. Serena and Venus are doing fine as is Ana. I'm actually surprised Ana isn't making more in enodorsements. She's gorgeous, but I guess her body isn't the best but that can be photoshoped and her English isn't perfect.

Anyways all these top players are multimilionaires already. As long as they spend their money wisely they'll be fine. So let's stop arguing about this nonsense. What tennis fans should be concerned about are dwindling tournaments. LPGA has already suffered a lot w/ sponsors pulling out. WTA is tremendously weak in the US and with most sponsors being banks, finanical insitutions, etc there's going to be problems in terms of tournaments finding good sponsors.

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:22 PM
Top earning Female Athletes of '08:

1. Sharapova 26 million
2. Serena Williams 14 million
3. Venus Williams 13 million
4. Ana Ivonivic 6 million

Sharapova is clearly top dawg atm in terms of off court money. Serena and Venus are doing fine as is Ana. I'm actually surprised Ana isn't making more in enodorsements. She's gorgeous, but I guess her body isn't the best but that can be photoshoped and her English isn't perfect.

thats why..... English is the language spoken most in the world. Look at the big Nations. You'd be hard pressed to go some place and not find someone who can speak english. If Ana's wants bigger contracts I think she'll have to improve her english

Olórin
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:24 PM
If that is true, I will personally go to one of them in the next 6 months (prefer Florida; if it's California I may have to do it by phone) and buy a piece of ANERES. I will also buy something for you (at the time, we can connect to let me know what you like).

If that is not true, will you stop spreading misinformation, and stop believing it?

Now, I just need the name and phone number of one, preferably two-three, of these boutiques in FL and CA.

=========

Yeah, I heard about the HSN line. Should be interesting to see how that evolves, and to see how it is sold - models, sales pitch, etc. That will be great if it is good merchandise, well priced, maybe wearable for tennis or at least workout.

Why don't you just go to every single boutique in FL and CA and have a good old search for some Aneres. Although given you spelled it incorrectly in your first post, I'm not surprised that you haven't been able to find any. I love Serana :hearts:

drake3781
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:27 PM
I was wondering have out donated to an African Charity like you said you would? If you have would you please provide proof of your charitable donation and how much you gave? k thx. :wavey:



Is Aneres real or can we all (finally) give up the ghost? Should be a simple question for Serena's fans. Why obfuscate?

As for my charitable donations, I'm sure I'm in the top 1% of donors on this board to causes that benefit Africa. And that's on a regular basis, for years past and continuing. Not that this has anything to do with Serena's fantasy (or is it real?) backwards-named fashion line.

spice_of_life
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:27 PM
Federer signed a 10yr/$130M contract with Nike in January '08. It was the largest contract Nike ever signed with any athlete, surpassing even Tiger's 10yr/$100M and LeBron's 7yr/$90M.Sorry, no way Nike signed Fed to a contract worth more than Tiger Woods. Golf is a bigger seller for Nike than tennis. No way is Fed worth more to Nike than Tiger.

gaviotabr
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:28 PM
Top earning Female Athletes of '08:

1. Sharapova 26 million
2. Serena Williams 14 million
3. Venus Williams 13 million
4. Ana Ivonivic 6 million

Sharapova is clearly top dawg atm in terms of off court money. Serena and Venus are doing fine as is Ana. I'm actually surprised Ana isn't making more in enodorsements. She's gorgeous, but I guess her body isn't the best but that can be photoshoped and her English isn't perfect.

Where did you take that list from? Not that I'm saying it's not accurate, I'm just curious.

The last Forbes list had Ana with 8 million, and didn't list her Rolex deal. But as Darren Rovell at CNBC would say, Ana is still very sponsorless in terms of her endorsement potential. But then again, as you said, her english isn't perfect, and she is very much an european athlete. Her management is in Switzerland, as opposed to most of the top players who are usually represented by IMG. Her manager once said that he had many sponsor offers for Ana, but they handpick the ones that they find worth it.

Her deal with Adidas ends at the end of 2009... and they were shopping for a lifetime deal. If she indeed resigned with adidas, she was expected to get around 6 million a year. Her management was trying to get 10 millions a year, but with the economic crisis and the lack of results in the second half of the year, I doubt they got it.

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:38 PM
Sorry, no way Nike signed Fed to a contract worth more than Tiger Woods. Golf is a bigger seller for Nike than tennis. No way is Fed worth more to Nike than Tiger.

sure there is, Its as i said, well he got this, and i want this. Federer got his contract second....

spice_of_life
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:41 PM
Serena Williams had her own logo since 2004. Federer since end of 2005, cause he wanted what Serena had. Serena Williams was the face for Tennis, but now she is just for the womens devision with co-partner Maria.

You can believe what you want, but they are the truth. Stay ignorant as you wish to be.Can't compare Fed and Serena. Fed's RF logo is similar to Tiger Woods TW logo. It's not just personalized shoes, or on outfits at grand slams. Fed's shirts carry the RF logo. All the hats he wears have the RF logo. In fact you can purchase Nike hats with the RF logo. And starting this year you can purchase shoes and t-shirts that have the RF logo too. Are there any personalized Serena items from Nike that are sold to the general public?

starin
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:43 PM
Is Aneres real or can we all (finally) give up the ghost? Should be a simple question for Serena's fans. Why obfuscate?

As for my charitable donations, I'm sure I'm in the top 1% of donors on this board to causes that benefit Africa. And that's on a regular basis, for years past and continuing. Not that this has anything to do with Serena's fantasy (or is it real?) backwards-named fashion line.

Yes but it seemed very important for you to verify that Serena indeed had a school built in Africa. You went out of your way to find proof of exactly how much she donated. So I thought it only fair that someone pay as much attention to you as well. You said you were thinking about donating to an African School Charity after seeing Serena build a school. If you really are so charitable I think it would be inspirational to other TF posters to see that. So I would like you to show proof of how much you donated and to what charities you have donated. That way we can all be inspired by your kindness. That is of course assuming that your charitable donations are real.

HRHoliviasmith
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:49 PM
Sorry, no way Nike signed Fed to a contract worth more than Tiger Woods. Golf is a bigger seller for Nike than tennis. No way is Fed worth more to Nike than Tiger.

from what i've read, some of that money is to compensate for the "paltry" amount (one million/yr)they had been paying him from the contract he negotiated sans representation. sort of like back pay if you will.

G1Player2
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:53 PM
Yes but how do I know you're not just lying. It seemed very important for you to verify that Serena indeed had a school built in Africa. You went out of your way to find proof of exactly how much she donated. So I thought it only fair that someone pay as much attention to you as well. If you really are so charitable I think it would be inspirational to other TF posters to see that. So I would like you to show proof of how much you donated and to what charities you have donated. That way we can all be inspired by your kindness. That is of course assuming that your charitable donations are real.

:lol:

Lucemferre
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:57 PM
Why are you obsessed with Aneres drake? Why do you care? Get a life :spit:

RFSTB
Jan 19th, 2009, 10:59 PM
Sorry, no way Nike signed Fed to a contract worth more than Tiger Woods. Golf is a bigger seller for Nike than tennis. No way is Fed worth more to Nike than Tiger.

Hard to say. According to this article:
http://tennisinfoblog.com/roger-federer-to-sign-new-lucrative-10-year-contract-with-nike

Federer's contract is $13M/yr. Tiger's contract is $40M/yr, however, a lot of that comes from royalties from sales of TW golf balls, clubs and apparels. Agassi had a similar $100M deal with Nike in '95(tied to royalties). Federer's deal is not tied to royalties but to results. The same article says Maria's deal with Nike is only $6M/yr, also not tied to royalties but to results.

I always have my doubts about these "tied to royalties" deals. When AEG announced their deal to bring David Beckham to the MLS, the deal was said to be 5yr/$250M, which comes out to $50M per year, supposedly the largest contract ever with any athlete. If you look closer, he's only guaranteed $5M/yr from his salary with the LA Galaxy, the rest of it is supposed to come from royalties from jersey/merchandise sales. Beckham hasn't been doing so great in the MLS. I'd be surprised if he really did make $50M as advertised in 2008, never mind 2009 with the recession.

The Golf industry is going through hard times now just like everything else. Many golf courses have closed in 2008, while other new development projects are put on hold. I don't think golf equipment will be flying off the shelves in the next couple of years either, Tiger Woods branded or otherwise. In fact the TW brand might hurt even more than other brands in a recession, because people will look for value over brand, especially if he has a slow comeback from knee surgery.

starin
Jan 19th, 2009, 11:06 PM
highest paid male athletes:

1. Tiger woods 115 million
2. David Beckham 50 Million
3. Michale Jordan 45 Million :spit: he's retired and makes double the amount of the highest paid female athlete :sad:
4. Phil Mickelson 45 Million


Women's sports has a ways to go to catch up to men's but they can do it :yeah:
And for the poster that asked about Ana Ivanovic, Forbes.com has her listed at 6.5 million. :shrug: they say it's an estimtion so it could be wrong.

gaviotabr
Jan 19th, 2009, 11:10 PM
highest paid male athletes:

1. Tiger woods 115 million
2. David Beckham 50 Million
3. Michale Jordan 45 Million :spit: he's retired and makes double the amount of the highest paid female athlete :sad:
4. Phil Mickelson 45 Million


Women's sports has a ways to go to catch up to men's but they can do it :yeah:
And for the poster that asked about Ana Ivanovic, Forbes.com has her listed at 6.5 million. :shrug: they say it's an estimtion so it could be wrong.

manatee, I think that was an early 2008 list for best paid female athlete. In July Forbes made a list for best paid tennis players, and they had Ana with 8 millions. I guess the last one is more accurate.

Melly Flew Us
Jan 20th, 2009, 03:39 AM
People talking up Serena's influence or importance are forgetting about emerging markets in Asia where Maria is more popular than either of the Williams sisters. It's also not just about selling a particular tennis dress but associating the player with the brand so that when it comes to making a purchase the buyer will find Nike more appealing because Maria wears it, not that they specifically want to wear a dress that Maria wore.

whare are your figures?

homogenius
Jan 20th, 2009, 03:50 AM
Serena has the Serena Williams line at Nike ($125million) SINCE 2004, she has a staff of 40 people designing for her demands, while sharapova has no imput at all, besides color and material.

If you didn't know this, you clearly don't know anything about the subject at all and you should just shut up.

Really ? :unsure:

MrSerenaWilliams
Jan 20th, 2009, 05:12 AM
Can't compare Fed and Serena. Fed's RF logo is similar to Tiger Woods TW logo. It's not just personalized shoes, or on outfits at grand slams. Fed's shirts carry the RF logo. All the hats he wears have the RF logo. In fact you can purchase Nike hats with the RF logo. And starting this year you can purchase shoes and t-shirts that have the RF logo too. Are there any personalized Serena items from Nike that are sold to the general public?

http://img.tennis-warehouse.com/big/NAMSWW-big.jpg

Check out the tongue ;)

*That's an 'SW' signature if you were wondering ;)....and that was taken from this link (http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageWSNIKE-NAMSWW.html) if you were confused ;)*

spice_of_life
Jan 20th, 2009, 10:37 AM
http://img.tennis-warehouse.com/big/NAMSWW-big.jpg

Check out the tongue ;)

*That's an 'SW' signature if you were wondering ;)....and that was taken from this link (http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageWSNIKE-NAMSWW.html) if you were confused ;)*Oh well I stand corrected. But it's certainly not as visible or recognizable as the RF or TW logos.

http://i42.tinypic.com/smvy28.jpg (http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageMSNIKE-NV6WS.html#) http://midwestsports.com/images/art/federer_hat.jpg (http://www.midwestsports.com/nike-federer-tennis-hat/p/08FedHat/)

http://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/GolfGalaxy/PAPMACBBPKDGHJCJ?$s7product$ (http://www.golfgalaxy.com/galaxy/product.asp?pf_id=PAPMACBBPKDGHJCJ&path=Hats&search_handle=QT1IYXRzfkI9SGF0c35EPTMwfkk9UHJpY2V_ Sz00fkw9MX5NPTN_&scid=SearchResults&spoffset=1&s_id=0)

youizahoe
Jan 20th, 2009, 10:40 AM
Really ? :unsure:

Yeah it's stupid though, but it was part of the agreement. They don't work fulltime on Serena only though.

youizahoe
Jan 20th, 2009, 10:41 AM
Oh well I stand corrected. But it's certainly not as visible or recognizable as the RF or TW logos.

Dude it's also marked on the heal. It's clearly visible, you just need glasses.

spice_of_life
Jan 20th, 2009, 10:57 AM
Dude it's also marked on the heal. It's clearly visible, you just need glasses.It's not on the link that was provided above. :shrug:

http://i44.tinypic.com/4j5kbc.jpg

youizahoe
Jan 20th, 2009, 11:01 AM
It's not on the link that was provided above. :shrug:

http://i44.tinypic.com/4j5kbc.jpg

On her 2004-2005-2006 shoes is was clearly on the back side. Plus Serena has a percentage in her clothes, Federer doesn't. Also Serena had a site at nike, federer up till now, still doesn't.

espntennis
Jan 20th, 2009, 04:38 PM
Serena Williams clothes sell a lot more than Maria's. Serena boosted the sales in 2004 by 10-20% and that never dropped under the 10%. Her outfits also sold many times more than any other Nike piece in the tennis devision.

Toss it or turn it, Serena is the highest paid tennis star with Nike up to date. Serena Williams doesn't do many adds because she simply has no time left for it, Serena was asked in 5 ads by Nike last year and she only accepted 1.


Pardon me LioR. You have made an incredible amount of claims throughout this thread. However not once have you backed up any of these with a link or what can be regarded as facts. While I am not saying you are a liar, your posts must be disregarded due to lack of evidence.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jan 20th, 2009, 05:22 PM
Pardon me LioR. You have made an incredible amount of claims throughout this thread. However not once have you backed up any of these with a link or what can be regarded as facts. While I am not saying you are a liar, your posts must be disregarded due to lack of evidence.

While I'm not saying that I can confirm the information, he, several times, has provided the avenues necessary to retrieve the information and see it for yourself :shrug:

espntennis
Jan 20th, 2009, 11:47 PM
While I'm not saying that I can confirm the information, he, several times, has provided the avenues necessary to retrieve the information and see it for yourself :shrug:

If he/she is going to write about these facts/figures merely providing the necessary avenues is not sufficient. Data should be posted. The onus should be on the poster not on the reader to decipher and gather information.