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dave1971
Jan 18th, 2009, 03:39 PM
and for good reason, because the player is subsequently not fresh for the GS. Demi probably won't win the Aus Open.

Uranium
Jan 18th, 2009, 03:41 PM
According to AnnaK_4ever, Navratilova did it.

Demska
Jan 18th, 2009, 03:41 PM
Well Elena isn't like any other player, she is a goddess.

dave1971
Jan 18th, 2009, 03:42 PM
According to AnnaK something(I forgot your username:lol:) Navratilova did it.


what, did she win Brimingham and Eastbourne? That's before my time so I didn't check that far back.

Aaron.
Jan 18th, 2009, 03:43 PM
Pretty safe to say Elena will lose before SF

Uranium
Jan 18th, 2009, 03:45 PM
what, did she win Brimingham and Eastbourne? That's before my time so I didn't check that far back.

No, 1985 Brisbane, Sydney, AO. And also, if you start a thread and say EVEr and not check every year and are wrong, you look like a fool.

Ciarán
Jan 18th, 2009, 03:45 PM
and for good reason, because the player is subsequently not fresh for the GS. Demi probably won't win the Aus Open.

With any luck :rolleyes:

doujyr
Jan 18th, 2009, 03:47 PM
Navratilova won Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne in 1985. More recenlty Clijsters won 2 preceding events before Flushing Meadows in 2005, but had the week off before the tournament.

alex14
Jan 18th, 2009, 03:48 PM
didnt Hingis do it in 1997? someone correct me if im wrong

Dodoboy.
Jan 18th, 2009, 03:50 PM
Well it's Navvie, so basically no human has ever done this :shrug:

dave1971
Jan 18th, 2009, 03:50 PM
Navratilova won Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne in 1985. More recenlty Clijsters won 2 preceding events before Flushing Meadows in 2005, but had the week off before the tournament.


of course winning 2 warmups and then having the week off before the Slam is not what I was talking about.

Koon
Jan 18th, 2009, 03:53 PM
Elena will win anyway

Kworb
Jan 18th, 2009, 03:53 PM
Meaningless observation. Only a handful of players play in the two weeks before a GS, and they are usually not the favorites for a GS title. Even fewer actually manage to win both events.

dave1971
Jan 18th, 2009, 03:56 PM
Only a handful of players play in the two weeks before a GS, and they are usually not the favorites for a GS title.




that just re-inforces my point - that Demi is not a favorite for the AO title.

Ryan
Jan 18th, 2009, 03:58 PM
of course winning 2 warmups and then having the week off before the Slam is not what I was talking about.



Don't act to high and mighty bud, since somebody proved you wrong within 10 posts of the thread. :lol:

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 18th, 2009, 03:59 PM
No, 1985 Brisbane, Sydney, AO. And also, if you start a thread and say EVEr and not check every year and are wrong, you look like a fool.

Nothing more to add.

dave1971
Jan 18th, 2009, 04:08 PM
Nothing more to add.


whatever, 1985 is back in the fricking Stone Ages. Shit, the AO was still being played in December at that dumpy old Kooyong club.

Since then nearly one hundred Slams have been played, and NONE of them were won by a player who won 2 immediately preceding warmups tournys. My point stands.

Tennis Ball
Jan 18th, 2009, 04:17 PM
that's because one of the two warmup events is a lower level tournament and top players are usually present at the other. There is not really such a thing as '2 warmingup' events, since one is generally for lower level and the other for higher level players.

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 18th, 2009, 04:21 PM
whatever, 1985 is back in the fricking Stone Ages. Shit, the AO was still being played in December at that dumpy old Kooyong club.

Since then nearly one hundred Slams have been played, and NONE of them were won by a player who won 2 immediately preceding warmups tournys. My point stands.

You have no point whatsoever since what you have proclaimed in the opening post is false.

Ceri
Jan 18th, 2009, 04:23 PM
Some players need to play themselves into good form to make a splash. Lena's pretty fit and she's thankfully stayed injury-free for the most part by correctly judging what her body can and can't stand.

Ellery
Jan 18th, 2009, 04:27 PM
No, 1985 Brisbane, Sydney, AO. And also, if you start a thread and say EVEr and not check every year and are wrong, you look like a fool.

Agreed.

Ryan
Jan 18th, 2009, 04:31 PM
You have no point whatsoever since what you have proclaimed in the opening post is false.



Pure, simple facts. :cool:



You could make an argument that it's highly unlikely for her to win based on this....but you have no argument as it is now.

DaMamaJama87
Jan 18th, 2009, 04:38 PM
Oh please. I made a similar thread last year about how the players who went far at the Olympics would crash at the US Open and it happened!

misael
Jan 18th, 2009, 04:42 PM
and for good reason, because the player is subsequently not fresh for the GS. Demi probably won't win the Aus Open.You better check your stats , because it's happened before ,m ore then a few times.

RenaSlam.
Jan 18th, 2009, 04:45 PM
Dumb ass.

blaqsql
Jan 18th, 2009, 04:46 PM
Venus Williams did it in 2000. She won 4 tournaments in a row and then the U.S Open

Uranium
Jan 18th, 2009, 04:52 PM
Venus Williams did it in 2000. She won 4 tournaments in a row and then the U.S Open

No, she won Stanford, San Diego then 2 weeks off, New Haven, USO.

spartanfan
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:00 PM
No, 1985 Brisbane, Sydney, AO. And also, if you start a thread and say EVEr and not check every year and are wrong, you look like a fool.
It's pretty safe to say that Dementiava is NO Navratilova. Not even in the same league.

new-york
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:19 PM
It's pretty safe to say that Dementiava is NO Navratilova. Not even in the same league.

and it's even safer to say that it wasn't the question.:p

terjw
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:23 PM
I wouldn't have given Elena much chance at all of winning the AO a couple of weeks ago. The fact that she's won these 2 preceding tournaments increases her chances of pulling it off at the AO. I still don't think she'll win it - but not for the daft and false reason on a par with reading the tealeaves.

spartanfan
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:41 PM
and it's even safer to say that it wasn't the question.:p
No but people were comparing a feat that Martina completed (as one of the tours greats) to Dementieva attempting the same thing. Not gonna happen. Martina was a great, exceptional player, Elena is not.

brent-o
Jan 18th, 2009, 07:00 PM
what, did she win Brimingham and Eastbourne? That's before my time so I didn't check that far back.

So, let me get this straight. You declared that no one EVER did it without actually checking to see if no one has.:lol:

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 18th, 2009, 07:06 PM
No but people were comparing a feat that Martina completed (as one of the tours greats) to Dementieva attempting the same thing. Not gonna happen. Martina was a great, exceptional player, Elena is not.

Nobody compares Dementieva to Navratilova. We are merely stating the fact there has been a tennis player who won a slam after winning two tune-up events in consecutive weeks.

hingis-seles
Jan 18th, 2009, 07:10 PM
Hingis played Hopman Cup, Sydney, Melbourne, Tokyo consecutively with no weks off. She lost at Hopman Cup because Rosset broke his finger when he slammed a side board in frustration (or am I confusing this with '96? :p ). Then, she won Sydney, Melbourne, and Tokyo. I don't believe there was a week off (or maybe there was?) because she won Paris Indoors right after. They were talking about how she won in 3 consecutive events on 3 different continents. Could somebody clarify my queries? Thanks in advance.

hingis-seles
Jan 18th, 2009, 07:11 PM
If Hingis had won the '01 Aussie final against JenFat, she'd have done it, having won Hopman Cup and Sydney. Unless Hopman Cup doesn't count, since it's a team competition and an ITF event.

spartanfan
Jan 18th, 2009, 07:46 PM
If Hingis had won the '01 Aussie final against JenFat, she'd have done it, having won Hopman Cup and Sydney. Unless Hopman Cup doesn't count, since it's a team competition and an ITF event.
I'm sorry, but did you just call Jennifer Capriati fat, when you have Monica Seles name big and bold as part of your signature line? Apparently you missed seeing Monica play the last few years she was on tour.:lol:. And thats not to say she didn't do well, but Monica could have won more GS titles if not for her fitness towards the end

Tennisstar86
Jan 18th, 2009, 07:49 PM
Dementieva's never made it past the 4th round at AO......yet everyone thinks she'll win.....

Olórin
Jan 18th, 2009, 08:03 PM
If Hingis had won the '01 Aussie final against JenFat, she'd have done it, having won Hopman Cup and Sydney. Unless Hopman Cup doesn't count, since it's a team competition and an ITF event.

Imbecile. Capriati obviously isn't fat: there is somewhere inbetween "skinny" and "fat", you hopefully realise.

sunsfuns
Jan 18th, 2009, 09:09 PM
It's not a valid analysis anyway. Most if not all slams have max 5-7 probable winners and hardly any of them even attempt to play two warm up events right before the GS. Only Elena and Dinara did so this year.

Shvedbarilescu
Jan 18th, 2009, 09:26 PM
Oh please. I made a similar thread last year about how the players who went far at the Olympics would crash at the US Open and it happened!

Actually it didn't happen. The two finalists at the Olympics went all the way to the semi finals of the US Open. That hardly qualifies as crashing. Infact both Dementieva and Safina went further than their seedings of 5 and 6 respectively would suggest.

Unless you regard crashing as anything but winning the tournament they did pretty well. And if you do regard crashing as anything but winning the tournament then it was hardly a very clever prediction as you would have then been able to say you were right if any of 126 players won. Hardly prophetic. :shrug:

DaMamaJama87
Jan 18th, 2009, 10:01 PM
Actually it didn't happen. The two finalists at the Olympics went all the way to the semi finals of the US Open. That hardly qualifies as crashing. Infact both Dementieva and Safina went further than their seedings of 5 and 6 respectively would suggest.

Unless you regard crashing as anything but winning the tournament they did pretty well. And if you do regard crashing as anything but winning the tournament then it was hardly a very clever prediction as you would have then been able to say you were right if any of 126 players won. Hardly prophetic. :shrug:

Tell that to the people who were prophesizing that Dementieva and Safina had all of a sudden become THE favourites for the US Open. :tape:

It's the same thing again, Dementieva is being hyped for her pre-slam success. The "favourite" not even making the final would be crashing out and you can count on Dementieva to deliver yet again. :bounce: The draw has already been unkind to her by putting her in Venus's quarter, let's see if she even gets that far. :tape:

Tennisstar86
Jan 18th, 2009, 10:11 PM
Tell that to the people who were prophesizing that Dementieva and Safina had all of a sudden become THE favourites for the US Open. :tape:

It's the same thing again, Dementieva is being hyped for her pre-slam success. The "favourite" not even making the final would be crashing out and you can count on Dementieva to deliver yet again. :bounce: The draw has already been unkind to her by putting her in Venus's quarter, let's see if she even gets that far. :tape:

While i do agree that the pre-tournament hype is a bit overexagerated considering is a couple titles and she is in a quarter with a women she hasnt beaten in 4 years.... but she definately didnt crash out of the Open.....

Many say Venus hasnt been past the Quartes in 5 years... Hell Dementieva hasnt ever gotten out of the 4th round...

miffedmax
Jan 18th, 2009, 10:20 PM
whatever, 1985 is back in the fricking Stone Ages. Shit, the AO was still being played in December at that dumpy old Kooyong club.

Since then nearly one hundred Slams have been played, and NONE of them were won by a player who won 2 immediately preceding warmups tournys. My point stands.

You didn't have to look back at all.

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=367220.

V's a star
Jan 18th, 2009, 10:23 PM
Do people actually think shes gonna win lol. She never been past the 4th R n with her draw gd luck with that plus the fact shes played alot, jus aint gonna happen

LightWarrior
Jan 18th, 2009, 10:36 PM
Plus, Navratilova did it grass -her best surface- which means shorter points, playing her natural serve-and-volley game.

Ignatius
Jan 18th, 2009, 11:26 PM
Margaret Court achieved this feat countless times. She never gets the credit for it (or indeed for most of her achievements).

Has anyone else who posts here ever heard of Margaret Court or taken an interest in her career? Thought not.

Tennisstar86
Jan 18th, 2009, 11:29 PM
your title is wrong..... regardless.. several players have done that. the other one is better (3 weeks straight)

Venus did it... Clijsters did it... Serena prolly did it, im just too lazy to look it up.

hwanmig
Jan 19th, 2009, 02:00 PM
Do people actually think shes gonna win lol. She never been past the 4th R n with her draw gd luck with that plus the fact shes played alot, jus aint gonna happen

Of course Venus is gonna win. Everyone knows that:lol:.

miffedmax
Jan 19th, 2009, 02:07 PM
I will, however, confidently state that no blond Russian player has ever won a Grand Slam in the Open Era in a full-body cast while wearing a bucket over her head.

mboyle
Jan 19th, 2009, 02:53 PM
whatever, 1985 is back in the fricking Stone Ages. Shit, the AO was still being played in December at that dumpy old Kooyong club.

Since then nearly one hundred Slams have been played, and NONE of them were won by a player who won 2 immediately preceding warmups tournys. My point stands.

What other players have entered a slam having won tournaments the two previous weeks?

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 02:58 PM
What other players have entered a slam having won tournaments the two previous weeks?

probably none..... I didnt even take the AO heat into account.... Elena is not gonna last these 2 weeks......why on earth did she play two warmups...:tape:

chuvack
Jan 19th, 2009, 02:59 PM
your title is wrong..... regardless.. several players have done that. the other one is better (3 weeks straight)

Venus did it... Clijsters did it... Serena prolly did it, im just too lazy to look it up.


You are wrong. Venus and Clisters never did it. Only Navratilova did.

misael
Jan 19th, 2009, 03:01 PM
Elena has in the 19 tournaments she played last year , and the two she's played this year, In last 21 tournaments, made the quarters in 19, the semis in 14, the finals of 7 and won 5 of those finals, after droping out of the to 10 in 2007 she's now #4 and can go higher, even in her last four slams , she's been slowly improving 4th in Australia, quarters in Roland Garros, and semis at Wimbeldon and The US Open.She's beaten Dinara the last three times they've played, she has never lost to Ivanovic in 4 tries and has beaten Serena the last three times as well. Has a 2-7 record against Venus, but last time they played at the Year end Championship toook Venus to a third set where Venus won 6-3....She has a new coach, and has even improved her serving.And you just have to take one look at her and know that she's extremely fit.Yes she's in a very tough section of the draw, but it's not crazy that people have been talking about her being a sl;am winner, she's improved in every part of her game.

chuvack
Jan 19th, 2009, 03:01 PM
anyway I would prefer Lena to win a different GS than the AO. The AO is the least prestigious of all the Slams and Lena has often said she personally prefers RG and USO.

GoDominique
Jan 19th, 2009, 03:05 PM
Awful thread.

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2009, 03:09 PM
You are wrong. Venus and Clisters never did it. Only Navratilova did.

no, if the thread title had been 3 weeks in a row it would have been navratilova, but its not....


Venus won 2 preceding warmups in 2001. and 3 preceding warmups in 2000. Im sure Clijsters did it in 2005....:rolleyes:

Tennisstar86
Jan 20th, 2009, 04:19 AM
Elena just told Mary and Pat that shes already feeling it in the 1rst round of the tournament. Theres a reason Players dont plan on playing 4 weeks in a row....

spartanfan
Jan 20th, 2009, 04:50 AM
Margaret Court achieved this feat countless times. She never gets the credit for it (or indeed for most of her achievements).

Has anyone else who posts here ever heard of Margaret Court or taken an interest in her career? Thought not.
Who the fuck is Margaret Court? haha. Just kidding.:)

samsam4087
Jan 20th, 2009, 06:17 AM
Elena will win AO anyway.

miffedmax
Jan 20th, 2009, 12:48 PM
Given her dismal history in January, I don't think Elena expected to win so many matches. I have to say back in December, I thought this was a good plan compared to her past. I figured she'd win Auckland, bow out in the quarters in Sydney and be well-tested and well-rested for the AO.

I still think she's more likely gearing up for a more serious Olympics-style run in Paris and/or NY.

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 28th, 2009, 03:19 AM
That's been done before.

Cakeisgood
Jan 28th, 2009, 03:20 AM
I believe in you Lena D!!!!

dicanio_michael
Jan 28th, 2009, 03:25 AM
It's just a record. How do you know she can't do it?

ys
Jan 28th, 2009, 03:27 AM
Venus did it... Clijsters did it... Serena prolly did it, im just too lazy to look it up.

None of them did that. We are talking about playing and winning warmup events in two PRECEDING weeks. Clijsters hasn't won New Haven when she won USO. Neither did Williams sisters..

miffedmax
Jan 28th, 2009, 03:35 AM
Please don't jinx Lena. She has two tough matches to go before accomplishing this feat, so it's far from happening and could easily all end tomorrow.

GeeTee
Jan 28th, 2009, 04:04 AM
whatever, 1985 is back in the fricking Stone Ages. Shit, the AO was still being played in December at that dumpy old Kooyong club.

Since then nearly one hundred Slams have been played, and NONE of them were won by a player who won 2 immediately preceding warmups tournys. My point stands.

EVER includes all dates not just the one you make up to try and help your point. FAIL

GeeTee
Jan 28th, 2009, 04:41 AM
Margaret Court achieved this feat countless times. She never gets the credit for it (or indeed for most of her achievements).

Yup - she has a slam of doing it..

1962 Orange/Essex/US OPEN
1963 West Berlin/Spanish/Kent/(FedCup undefeated)/WIMBLEDON/Dusseldorf
1965 Moscow/Klagenfurt/US OPEN
1969 Perth/Melbourne/Sydney/AUSTRALIAN OPEN
1969 San Juan/Charlotte/Houston/Bournemouth/Hurlingham/(Fed Cup undefeated)/FRENCH
1969 (Eastbourne Doubles won)/Piping Rock/Merion/US Amateur/US OPEN
1970 Perth/Hobart/Melbourne/AUSTRALIAN
1970 FRENCH/Bristol/Queens/WIMBLEDON
1973 Nashville/Jersey/Newport/US OPEN
and she probably did it in doubles and mixed too..