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Kworb
Jan 18th, 2009, 04:24 AM
Would you see her as the current best player in the world? :confused:

northern lad
Jan 18th, 2009, 04:27 AM
i never thought i'd see the day, but after the olympics, and how she's played recently, i think i'd be okay with her winning the AO and becoming #1 :speakles:

Sectumsempra
Jan 18th, 2009, 04:27 AM
No because Jankovic so deserves it with..

0 Grand Slam Titles
0 YEC Titles
0 Super Tier I Titles
0 Olympic Medals

:worship::worship:

northern lad
Jan 18th, 2009, 04:29 AM
that didn't take long:o

miffedmax
Jan 18th, 2009, 04:30 AM
You really out to let us Dementieva fans choose both the first one and the last one. We're all schitzo as hell from years of supporting her anyway.

saul1333
Jan 18th, 2009, 04:55 AM
if she wins the ao she is #1.
getting all the points means she has improved her January from last year and winning 2 tourneys and possibly a major means shes playing better than everyone else.

Nikkiri
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:10 AM
Yes.

V's a star
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:12 AM
No because Jankovic so deserves it with..

0 Grand Slam Titles
0 YEC Titles
0 Super Tier I Titles
0 Olympic Medals

:worship::worship:

:lol: haha so true. Id take her over JJ anyday anytime

Shvedbarilescu
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:15 AM
Quite honestly I don't lose sleep whoever is number one, whether they have won a slam or not. If a player gets to number one they must have gained a lot of ranking points somewhere down the line and be a pretty good player. That's enough for me really.

Br'er Rabbit
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:20 AM
I would, plus she'll have an olympic gold medal. So you wouldn't hear any complaints from me.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:20 AM
If she becomes #1 as a result of winning the AO, she would CERTAINLY be a "fitting" #1. I mean it's all relative, but she's certainly playing INCREDIBLY well.

She wouldn't be 2002 Serena/2007 Justine DOMINANT #1, but a credible #1 without question.

V's a star
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:20 AM
Quite honestly I don't lose sleep whoever is number one, whether they have won a slam or not. If a player gets to number one they must have gained a lot of ranking points somewhere down the line and be a pretty good player. That's enough for me really.
Dont u guys see this is what Jankovic has done to the #1 ranking. It means fuck all now.

Uranium
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:22 AM
Yes, even without a slam, she is a better #1 than JJ:worship:

Optima
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:23 AM
Dont u guys see this is what Jankovic has done to the #1 ranking. It means fuck all now.

Jelena didn't do it, the ranking system did.

Get it together, please.

new-york
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:29 AM
Jankovic didn't wake up one day feeling like her new mission would be to make the number one ranking meaningless.

she got the points, it can't be any simpler.

i don't even have to accept who's number 1, the rankings are here to let me know how it is.

i would accept Demented her as the best players............of 2009, so far.
but she would have obviously much more to prove in the long run than someone like Serena, obviously.

V's a star
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:34 AM
Jelena didn't do it, the ranking system did.

Get it together, please.
Directly or indirectly thats wats happend:shrug:

OsloErik
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:40 AM
WELL...it would be a question of where Serena ends up. If she loses in the semifinals, then Serena's results at slams would be W-F-SF-3rd, while Dementieva would be W-SF-SF-QF. That's a close call. And I believe they'd be very close together in the rankings. Australia, Olympics, Dubai, and three or four smaller titles vs. US Open, Miami and Charleston, and one smaller title...

I'd actually have to go with Dementieva. If Dementieva wins, the furthest the other top players could make it would be the QF for Venus, SF for Serena, and Final for Safina and Jankovic. I think in any of those situations, Dementieva would qualify as a pretty clear-cut #1.

Optima
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:53 AM
Directly or indirectly thats wats happend:shrug:

So let's blame it all on the person herself and criticize her for something she didn't do.

Oh, ok.

V's a star
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:02 AM
So let's blame it all on the person herself and criticize her for something she didn't do.

Oh, ok.

sure, and there are other factors why myslef and many others criticize her; no class, no sportsmanship, and constantly exaggerating injuries (if there are any) in basically every tournament. If it wasnt for those "few" things i cud possibly respect her as #1. cant forget no big titles and 1-4 vs top5 :tape:

Anyway this thread is about Elena u take me totally off topic :lol: all the time

sunsfuns
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:02 AM
If she wins then she will be a lot more credible #1 than what we have now. Particularly since she would be unbeaten and with three titles already in 2009.

But let's wait until something like it happens before discussing further...

HRHoliviasmith
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:06 AM
*shuddering @ the thought*

Adal
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:08 AM
Yes I would.

zxcVbnm88
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:21 AM
If she becomes #1 by winning a slam, I'll accept it.

Cp6uja
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:42 AM
Of course that she will deserve #1 spot IF she wins AO/09. Actually having GS title and Olympics gold with two others GS semi's and couple others titles is better 52-weeks record than we see in average from WTA#1 player in last 10 years!

So this thread and poll question is pointless, which is not so big surprise if we know who started this :rolleyes:

But if People want discuss here about some interesting question instead OP scenario:

If Dementieva wins the AO, would you accept her as the WTA #1?

we should discuss about two "special cases" about Elena Dementieva rankings after AO connected with Melbourne/09 results of Serbian stars:

SPECIAL CASE 1: If Dementieva lose AO/09 final against Ana Ivanovic, and Jankovic lose (or withdraw) before QF, are Elena really deserve WTA#1?

SPECIAL CASE 2: If Dementieva wins AO/09 final against Jelena Jankovic are jElena really deserve WTA#1 instead #2 Dementieva?


So let's talk about possibility that slam title, OG gold... etc... will not be enough for her to overtake "slamless" Jankovic, or about possibility that she will maybe reach #1 without any GS title even if some other contender reach 2 slams titles in last 12 months!?

Malva
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:49 AM
I don't see the most obvious poll option:

«When somebody becomes #1, I accept that»

This is not the same as «I don't care». I do care, and yet I accept the facts.

santhuruu
Jan 18th, 2009, 07:51 AM
This is a tough question for those who don't consider Dementieva as one of their favourite players, but I would say yes I would accept her as the WTA #1 because simply her serve is fixed up, it looks soo much better, and also what I'm really surprised about is the way her return of serve has developed, so much better, and her baselinegame has always been good. Soo gamewise definetely deserves the number 1 ranking, but with the accomplishment list I'd like to see then a Grand Slam on that list as well next to the Olympic Medals!

Shvedbarilescu
Jan 18th, 2009, 07:59 AM
Dont u guys see this is what Jankovic has done to the #1 ranking. It means fuck all now.

Infact nothing in this world has any intrinsic meaning at all unless we give it meaning. And we all give invest importance in different things in our lives. If for you the women's #1 ranking means fuck all that is fine. For me the rankings are simply a means to seed players for tournaments reasonably fairly so that the best players don't run into each other too much in the early rounds. For that purpose it seems to operate ok.

If it upsets you that the number one ranking has lost importance for you that is fine. I suppose this doesn't bother me because the the number one ranking doesn't actually have a great importance in my life anyway nor do I feel the need for it to. I am much concerned about day to day events in my own personal life and global events which effect many more people that who has the number one women's tennis ranking. Infact most of my interest in the rankings that I do have pertain to the rankings of players well outside the top 10 anyway.

Don't get me wrong. I love tennis and care about it passionately. But I care about the players, the matches and the tournaments more than I care about where those players are ranked.

Jelena Jankovic being number one hasn't actually had an adverse effect on my life, at least not one I have noticed. Nor do I think her being ranked number one has had any effect, good or bad, on any of the global conflicts going on in the world or the state of the international economy.

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 18th, 2009, 08:11 AM
Where is the option since Jankovic is N1 I don't care about the rankings.:lol:

дalex
Jan 18th, 2009, 08:35 AM
So let's blame it all on the person herself and criticize her for something she didn't do.

Oh, ok.

You really love chatting to some of these trolls, don't you? :lol:

Yes, I would accept Lena as #1 no matter what she wins to get there. But I have a feeling JJ will stay there for quite some time. :drool:

Mr.Kardashian
Jan 18th, 2009, 08:39 AM
of she wins the Australian Open of course - Olympic gold, wimby and us open semis, RG QF, a slam title, and a 17 - 0 09 record for sure i would accept her as no.1

supergrunt
Jan 18th, 2009, 09:05 AM
this belongs in the Dementieva player forum

Renalicious
Jan 18th, 2009, 09:10 AM
Do we have a choice?

Calypso
Jan 18th, 2009, 09:12 AM
Computer based No.1 or the "real" No.1?

Winning a slam is not an absolute requirement for becoming No.1., whoever's ass sits atop the computer rankings is there for a reason, whether we like it or not.

But as for 'real' number one, Elena will certainly deserve this moniker if she wins the A.O. :D.

Godis
Jan 18th, 2009, 09:20 AM
Yes, I will accept her as #1 until someone comes in and proves otherwise.

Keadz
Jan 18th, 2009, 09:36 AM
Of course I would, she would obviously deserve it. I so wish it will happen as well...but I SADLY just don't think it will. She is quite capable of it, but I just don't think it will happen. :( ELENA prove me wrong!

Willam
Jan 18th, 2009, 10:08 AM
You people, as New York said, i don't have to accept anything, i just have to take a look and see who is it. If shes there is because SHE MUST BE GOOD, and she MUST HAVE ACHIEVED SOMETHING GOOD.

Willam
Jan 18th, 2009, 10:09 AM
sure, and there are other factors why myslef and many others criticize her; no class, no sportsmanship, and constantly exaggerating injuries (if there are any) in basically every tournament. If it wasnt for those "few" things i cud possibly respect her as #1. cant forget no big titles and 1-4 vs top5 :tape:

Anyway this thread is about Elena u take me totally off topic :lol: all the time

How is she clasless and with lack of sportmanship? :rocker2:

She is not Serena williams who goes around questioning other people education's..

LCS
Jan 18th, 2009, 10:50 AM
If she wins it, sure. If she gets to the trophy she most likely will have had to down both Willliamses + Safina or Jankovic...:shrug: And she's already 3-0 this year vs the Top 10...

LCS
Jan 18th, 2009, 10:52 AM
this belongs in the Dementieva player forum

As all Serena threads belong in the Serena area. :rolleyes:

merda2004
Jan 18th, 2009, 10:59 AM
Would you see her as the current best player in the world? :confused:

Why not?Elena is a great player.She managed 2 beat serena a few times.Also she has reached the finals of 2 GS as well as winning 2 medals in 2 olympic games.I really hope she wins a GS.

Dave.
Jan 18th, 2009, 11:09 AM
I would accept her. But that doesn't mean anything. The computers decide who is the best player in the world. Right now that is Jelena Jankovic. Whether people accept her or not is meaningless.


Dont u guys see this is what Jankovic has done to the #1 ranking. It means fuck all now.

Don't blame Jankovic. It's the so-called slam champions Ana, Venus, Maria and Serena who have been losing to nobodies. Blame them if you have to blame someone.

terjw
Jan 18th, 2009, 11:11 AM
sure, and there are other factors why myslef and many others criticize her; no class, no sportsmanship, and constantly exaggerating injuries (if there are any) in basically every tournament. If it wasnt for those "few" things i cud possibly respect her as #1. cant forget no big titles and 1-4 vs top5 :tape:

Anyway this thread is about Elena u take me totally off topic :lol: all the time

The only one without class is you. And when did you become a doctor that you know she's exaggerating injuries?

It's so hard you that your favourite isn't good enough to be #1 in the rankings so being the small-minded person you are - you attack the player who is good enough to get there.

As for your hypocrisy about this thread going off topic and being about Elena - well who's to blame for that. It didn't take long - post #3 - and surprise surprise from a JJ hater.

And if Elena makies it to #1 - my or your acceptance is neither here nor there. She would be the best player over the whole year. Doesn't mean to say she'd be the best peak vs peak or she'd necessarily be the favourite at the next slam.

terjw
Jan 18th, 2009, 11:21 AM
Jelena didn't do it, the ranking system did.

Get it together, please.

Stop blaming the ranking system and belittling the achievement of reaching #1 which rightly measures success over a whole year and doesn't only award points to slams and forget the rest.

Jelena - or Elena if she gets it - are a far cry from being the best #1 we've seen - but that is or will be because the other players were simply not good enough to be there themselves. Blame the other slam winners who even after all those points from winning a slam - were not good enough to be #1.

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 18th, 2009, 11:28 AM
I would accept her. But that doesn't mean anything. The computers decide who is the best player in the world. Right now that is Jelena Jankovic. Whether people accept her or not is meaningless.




Don't blame Jankovic. It's the so-called slam champions Ana, Venus, Maria and Serena who have been losing to nobodies. Blame them if you have to blame someone.

Sharapova is injured, so don't include her with Ana, Venus and Serena:rolleyes:

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 18th, 2009, 11:32 AM
The only one without class is you. And when did you become a doctor that you know she's exaggerating injuries?

Jelena is exaggerating her injuries, even commentators talked about that before AO, when she said she could end her career if she played Hompan Cup but she still played in doubles. Commentators said even doctors were saying she wasn't seriously injured but Jelena is always exaggerating, Drama Queen.

Lucemferre
Jan 18th, 2009, 12:01 PM
No because she won't win it.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 18th, 2009, 12:03 PM
If she wins AO 2009 (doesnt look that realistic, but as we are doing the 'ifs' and 'buts; then why not consider it!) then I wouldve no problem with ehr being number 1 :/

terjw
Jan 18th, 2009, 12:10 PM
Sharapova is injured, so don't include her with Ana, Venus and Serena:rolleyes:

Maria went off the boil before she was injured - Miami (too tired to play), RG, Wimbledon losses.

Jelena is exaggerating her injuries, even commentators talked about that before AO, when she said she could end her career if she played Hompan Cup but she still played in doubles. Commentators said even doctors were saying she wasn't seriously injured but Jelena is always exaggerating, Drama Queen. No doctor has ever said she exaggerates her injuries. Commentators were speculating whether she'd be able to play the AO but were not saying she wasn't injured at the AO. At RG she played with a cast on. Commentators did not say she was faking and didn't have an injury at the time. At Wimbledon when she picked up that Meniscus injury against Caro - the commentators winced when it happened. Far from saying she was exaggerating - she was advised by doctors not to play the next round - but still did. At Olympics - it was clear in the early rounds she was injured with no mobility.

And at USO she said before and after she was finall injury free and fit.

Only commentators just remebering her timeouts and wanting to make headlines now say she was exaggerating.

But the injuries she was suffering from at the AO and picked up at RG, Wimbledon and Olympics - commentators watching at the time knew full well those particular injuries were genuine and did not say she was exaggerating.

Funny how you and others whine that your player is genuinely injured when she doesn't play much anyway - but JJ who plays a lot more and has more chances to get injured is magically imune from injuries and when she hobbles around is faking / exaggerating.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 18th, 2009, 12:15 PM
Maria went off the boil before she was injured - Miami, RG, Wimbledon losses.


Maria went off the boil because she was injured.

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 18th, 2009, 12:23 PM
Maria went off the boil before she was injured - Miami, RG, Wimbledon losses.

First of all, Maria didn't play Miami, and she played RG and Wimbledon with her shoulder injury.

Funny how you and others whine that your player is genuinely injured when she doesn't play much anyway - but JJ who plays a lot more and has more chances to get injured is magically imune from injuries and when she hobbles around is faking / exaggerating.

About JJ, we can't believe her, she said she could end her career at the start of the season, but she found a way to play a lot of matches, she played 80 match a year, excuse me, but I can't believe the girl was injured, how the hell can she play so many matches with injuries, she's faking or exaggerating, and I'm not lying, commentators really said(at least French commentators) she was a lil bit exagerrating because she wasn't really in bad shape according to doctors.:shrug:

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 18th, 2009, 12:31 PM
Maria went off the boil because she was injured.

Funny, because when I said that the other day, you didn't agree with me.

Ackms421
Jan 18th, 2009, 12:34 PM
She would definitively deserve it. She may even have to beat both W's sisters in succession to do it, which, along with winning a slam, is a great way to make a statement that she is the best player in the world (atm).

terjw
Jan 18th, 2009, 12:42 PM
First of all, Maria didn't play Miami, and she played RG and Wimbledon with her shoulder injury.


About JJ, we can't believe her, she said she could end her career at the start of the season, but she found a way to play a lot of matches, she played 80 match a year, excuse me, but I can't believe the girl was injured, how the hell can she play so many matches with injuries, she's faking or exaggerating, and I'm not lying, commentators really said(at least French commentators) she was a lil bit exagerrating because she wasn't really in bad shape according to doctors.:shrug:

Yeah she quit Miami because she was tired after her loss at IW.:rolleyes: And whined about being fined for that.

It is simply being the biggest hypocrite out to claim Maria lost at Wimbledon and RG because of a shoulder injury while JJ was not injured at AO from Hopman Cup and picked up injuries at RG and Wimbledon and the Olympics. JJ tried to play through those injuries with pain killers etc because they meant so much to her which is why she played those matches.

Why did Maria play RG, Wimbledon if she had that injury. According to your logic that JJ wasn't injured because she played - then Maria would not be injured because she played.

VIKA?
Jan 18th, 2009, 12:45 PM
yes!

#kArLoS#
Jan 18th, 2009, 12:46 PM
itīs sure to she canīt win a GS,but if she will win it could be great:bounce:

Jose.
Jan 18th, 2009, 12:48 PM
It would be strange to see her as number one.
But I think after all this years she deserves a GS title. :worship:
And it would another one to fight for te top spot :bounce: (6 fighting for #1 would be great :drool:)

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 18th, 2009, 12:49 PM
Funny, because when I said that the other day, you didn't agree with me.

Actually I said 'she still lost so whatever' as we were comparing bad losses whereas he was saying she had bad losses first and then she was injured, your dyslexia is kicking in again.

Dini.
Jan 18th, 2009, 12:53 PM
I have no problem with Elena, she plays it fair and has a unique grunt, plus my brother fancies her :lol:

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 18th, 2009, 12:55 PM
It is simply being the biggest hypocrite out to claim Maria lost at Wimbledon and RG because of a shoulder injury while JJ was not injured at AO from Hopman Cup and picked up injuries at RG and Wimbledon and the Olympics. JJ tried to play through those injuries with pain killers etc because they meant so much to her which is why she played those matches.

Why did Maria play RG, Wimbledon if she had that injury. According to your logic that JJ wasn't injured because she played - then Maria would not be injured because she played.

Again, during IW, Maria injured herself, that's why she pulled out to Miami.
About Wimbledon, of course it was because of the injury, you really think Maria can lose against Kudryawhatever.
Maria thought she wasn't injured and still played because doctors told her she wasn't seriously injured but they were wrong.( what kinda doctors they r :rolleyes:)

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 18th, 2009, 01:11 PM
Actually I said 'she still lost so whatever' as we were comparing bad losses whereas he was saying she had bad losses first and then she was injured, your dyslexia is kicking in again.

I know what you said, but your comment makes me understand Maria's loss is justified even if she lost against a nodoby ;)

terjw
Jan 18th, 2009, 01:13 PM
Again, during IW, Maria injured herself, that's why she pulled out to Miami.
About Wimbledon, of course it was because of the injury, you really think Maria can lose against Kudryawhatever.
Maria thought she wasn't injured and still played because doctors told her she wasn't seriously injured but they were wrong.( what kinda doctors they r :rolleyes:)


Probaly the same sort of doctors who like you think JJ wasn't injured.

*Jool*
Jan 18th, 2009, 01:16 PM
I'd have too lol

harloo
Jan 18th, 2009, 01:25 PM
Elena winning the AO and becoming #1 with her type of game will probably turn me away from women's tennis. I don't think she'd be undeserving but it will prove to me how weak the women's field has become.

Ellery
Jan 18th, 2009, 01:29 PM
Absobloodylutely yes.

:hearts: But that's much easier said than done. :tape:

TeamCaro
Jan 18th, 2009, 01:53 PM
Any player who gets themselves to the #1 position deserves to be there, having won a GS or not.

jjcrew#1
Jan 18th, 2009, 02:04 PM
No because Jankovic so deserves it with..

0 Grand Slam Titles
0 YEC Titles
0 Super Tier I Titles
0 Olympic Medals

:worship::worship:

:fiery::fiery::fiery::fiery: (Hater)

jjcrew#1
Jan 18th, 2009, 02:05 PM
Any player who gets themselves to the #1 position deserves to be there, having won a GS or not.

:worship::worship:THANK YOU:worship::worship:

Demska
Jan 18th, 2009, 02:30 PM
I'd accept Lena if she was a cracked up drug whore :hearts:

Slutiana
Jan 18th, 2009, 02:48 PM
As many people said, it would be an improvement.

A GS and Olympic Gold is better than nothing.

Slutiana
Jan 18th, 2009, 02:53 PM
Elena winning the AO and becoming #1 with her type of game will probably turn me away from women's tennis. I don't think she'd be undeserving but it will prove to me how weak the women's field has become.
Agreed, though. Even Jelena has a much more no.1-worthy game. Elena's game screams out journeywoman.

And then of course personality-wise. She wouldn't exactly be a great represantation of the WTA.

cn ireland
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:53 PM
Absolutely, being a GS Slam champ as well as the Olympic champ is enough to prove that anyone is a worthy #1!

V's a star
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:57 PM
How is she clasless and with lack of sportmanship? :rocker2:

She is not Serena williams who goes around questioning other people education's..

??? u got to be kidding rite. And i dont give a fuck about Serena williams i dont like her either. Shes is a bitch. But atleast she can back it up with 9 GS :wavey:

Craig.
Jan 18th, 2009, 05:59 PM
??? u got to be kidding rite. And i dont give a fuck about Serena williams i dont like her either. Shes is a bitch. But atleast she can back it up with 9 GS :wavey:

What the hell does that have to do with a person's personality? :weirdo:

V's a star
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:05 PM
What the hell does that have to do with a person's personality? :weirdo:

Cuz all the shit she talks can be backed up. All the shit JJ talks.............
Anyway people stop asking me questions about Serena, jus cuz Venus is in my avatar dont mean i like her :rolleyes: and its getting rely tiring defending her cuz shes better then JJ in everyway

Optima
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:15 PM
Elena winning the AO and becoming #1 with her type of game will probably turn me away from women's tennis. I don't think she'd be undeserving but it will prove to me how weak the women's field has become.

Instead of judging Elena's game, you may want to critique Serena's instead. She's beaten her 3 times in a row, with that "type" of game.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:23 PM
Instead of judging Elena's game, you may want to critique Serena's instead. She's beaten her 3 times in a row, with that "type" of game.

Dude, who cares about Serena. She hasn't won a major in like 4 months. She's a has been.

Optima
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:37 PM
Dude, who cares about Serena. She hasn't won a major in like 4 months. She's a has been.

Just trying to defend Lena. Serena is the measuring stick, you know. I mean, only on WTAWorld can you beat Serena 3 times in a row and still suck.

spartanfan
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:37 PM
Would you see her as the current best player in the world? :confused:
If Elena won the AO and became #1, I would just think of her as the player who has the most points, not the best player, not even the true #1. Just a mediocre player who has accumulated the most points and got lucky at a slam. That's it.

Viktymise
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:41 PM
Agreed, though. Even Jelena has a much more no.1-worthy game. Elena's game screams out journeywoman.

And then of course personality-wise. She wouldn't exactly be a great represantation of the WTA.

How on earth does Jankovic have a much more #1 worthy game? :o

Dementieva has more firepower. Dementieva is the flashier shotmaker. Both are exceptional athletes, maybe Jankovic beats Dementieva in defense, but Dementieva beats Jankovic in terms of stamina. Jankovic has one of the least effective FH's of a No.1 in the history of the game. Dementieva's serve is probably better than Jankovic's these days. Both have woeful mid-court games.

The reason why Jankovic has had more success compared with Lena is because she is tactically much more astute. That's about the only aspect of her game which is heads and tails above Lena D.

Jankovic's pathetic H2H's against a whole heap of other inferior players, is an embarrassment to the game.

I'm sorry but calling Dementieva's game journey-woman esque is just rediculous when saying Jankovic has a much more #1 worthy game. The title of a journey-woman is held for mid-ranked scrubs who achieve nothing but still slug it out week after week, year after year. What the hell do we call mid-ranked scrubs if Dementieva is a journey-woman? Abominations?

Optima
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:43 PM
How on earth does Jankovic have a much more #1 worthy game? :o

Dementieva has more firepower. Dementieva is the flashier shotmaker. Both are exceptional athletes, maybe Jankovic beats Dementieva in defense, but Dementieva beats Jankovic in terms of stamina. Jankovic has one of the least effective FH's of a No.1 in the history of the game. Dementieva's serve is probably better than Jankovic's these days. Reason why Jankovic has had more success compared with Lena is because she is tactically much more astute. That's about the only aspect of her game which is heads and tails above Lena D. Both have woeful mid-court games.

Jankovic's pathetic H2H's against a whole heap of other inferior players, is an embarrassment to the game

I'm sorry but calling Dementieva's game journey-woman esque is just rediculous when saying Jankovic has a much more #1 worthy game. The title of a journey-woman is held for mid-ranked scrubs who achieve nothing but still slug it out week after week, year after year. What the hell do we call mid-ranked scrubs if Dementieva is a journey-woman? Abominations?

And yet, in spite of all of this, she still (some people say) owns Lena. And she's still number 1.

JJ :inlove: She truly is amaze.

Valanga
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:46 PM
Er, if she gets enough point to be no. 1 and she is no.1.
She doesn't need other's acceptance because her result showed it well.

Viktymise
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:49 PM
And yet, in spite of all of this, she still (some people say) owns Lena. And she's still number 1.

JJ :inlove: She truly is amaze.

Yeah, and Vaidisova, Li and Chakvetadze own the amazing JJ.

Wow, that proved so much.

DeliriousPotato
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:49 PM
I really don't care about the rankings, cause they don't tell you anything. JJ is number 1 for the mere fact that she is playing more. She hasn't won a single slam, she doesn't deserve it! I even think Sharapova, who I don't like and who hasn't played in the second half of last season deserves a higher ranking!!!

DeliriousPotato
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:49 PM
Yeah, and Vaidisova, Li and Chakvetadze owns the amazing JJ.

Wow, that proved so much.

Yay! Nice attack!

Optima
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:51 PM
Yeah, and Vaidisova, Li and Chakvetadze own the amazing JJ.

Wow, that proved so much.

That was the whole reason of my previous post :shrug: The fact that they own her shows only how more amaze JJ is.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jan 18th, 2009, 06:58 PM
Just trying to defend Lena. Serena is the measuring stick, you know. I mean, only on WTAWorld can you beat Serena 3 times in a row and still suck.

The people that think Elena SUCK are obviously trollish haters.

She doesn't have the best serve and she doesn't have a HOF career (yet...although, now, honestly any player of note gets it nowadays), but she FAR from sucks.

Players who have beaten Serena at least 3 times in a row:
Jennifer Capriati 4 times (2000 Miami - 2001 Wimbledon)
Aranxta Sanchez-Vicario 4 times (1998 Sydney - 1999 Berlin *1 retirement)
Venus Williams 3 times (1998 AO - 1999 Miami)
Justine Henin 3 times (2007 FO - 2007 USO)
Martina Hingis 3 times (2000 Roger's Cup - 2001 AO *1 retirement)
Elena Dementieva 3 times (2007 Moscow - 2009 Sydney) ^current streak

It's an impressive list and, barring Dementieva (as of 1-19-09) all of the players have won at least 3 majors...so it's safe to say that doesn't suck.

Honestly, people have been saying (for YEARS) that if Elena sorted out her serve, she could be #1....now it's actually happening :shrug:

I think Serena's capable of playing better tennis than Elena, but that's not what matters...what matters is that in the last 3 matches they've played, Elena's been better on that day...and that's what matters.

Optima
Jan 18th, 2009, 07:05 PM
The people that think Elena SUCK are obviously trollish haters.

She doesn't have the best serve and she doesn't have a HOF career (yet...although, now, honestly any player of note gets it nowadays), but she FAR from sucks.

Players who have beaten Serena at least 3 times in a row:
Jennifer Capriati 4 times (2000 Miami - 2001 Wimbledon)
Aranxta Sanchez-Vicario 4 times (1998 Sydney - 1999 Berlin *1 retirement)
Venus Williams 3 times (1998 AO - 1999 Miami)
Justine Henin 3 times (2007 FO - 2007 USO)
Martina Hingis 3 times (2000 Roger's Cup - 2001 AO *1 retirement)
Elena Dementieva 3 times (2007 Moscow - 2009 Sydney) ^current streak

It's an impressive list and, barring Dementieva (as of 1-19-09) all of the players have won at least 3 majors...so it's safe to say that doesn't suck.

Honestly, people have been saying (for YEARS) that if Elena sorted out her serve, she could be #1....now it's actually happening :shrug:

I think Serena's capable of playing better tennis than Elena, but that's not what matters...what matters is that in the last 3 matches they've played, Elena's been better on that day...and that's what matters.

Great post :worship:

northern lad
Jan 18th, 2009, 07:13 PM
If Elena won the AO and became #1, I would just think of her as the player who has the most points, not the best player, not even the true #1. Just a mediocre player who has accumulated the most points and got lucky at a slam. That's it.

mediocre? :weirdo: you try playing against Elena.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jan 18th, 2009, 07:26 PM
Golovin injured , you have a hilarious and peculiar definition of journeywoman :lol: . Not even oliviasmith will be agree with it

Destiny
Jan 18th, 2009, 07:32 PM
*pukes*

Tennisstar86
Jan 18th, 2009, 07:44 PM
yes, because she would have prolly beaten Venus en route to the title....and thus everyone in the top ten almost....

On the other side if Venus beats her she continues her ownage of the top ten this last few months without being #1..

Serena's Hubby
Jan 18th, 2009, 07:44 PM
i would except her as number one for her performance in the past few months from the summer to now, i would..she deserves it. obviously shes put a lot of work into it..i mean look at her serve... but i don't think she fits number 1.. shes's not the best player out there and she can beaten more than an Jankovic..Serena would if they were number one ..i would except it but it wouldn't be right in my case..b/c i see players within the top 10 able to beat her more frequently than other players if they were number 1. her game and mental game doesn't compare to some of the players now..and for that she wouldn't be a true number 1

carling
Jan 18th, 2009, 08:30 PM
Yes. Based upon what she has done from the summer to now AND if she won a grand slam, I would definitely accept Elena as the new #1. To me, Elena would be much more worthy of #1 than Jankovic if she won the Aussie Open because I agree with Federer. I think you should have to win a major to be considered the best player in the world. Obviously, the WTA ranking system says otherwise, which is a real problem IMO. Serena, Venus, Henin, and Sharapova all won slams before they claimed the top spot. Jankovic's reign at the #1 without having won a slam undermines both her status as the "best" player and the women's ranking.

Good on Elena if she wins down under. :)

3Dcool
Jan 18th, 2009, 09:47 PM
Yes, if Elena won a Slam I would have no problem with her as #1

IceHock
Jan 18th, 2009, 10:15 PM
if dementieva wins the ao she will most likely have defeated both williams back to back, which is a very strong case and feat, including it would be 4 in a row against serena. she would no doubt deserve the ranking, and it would also mean she has been in 3 of the 4 slam finals and the semifinal of wimbledon, she has a strong resume to be number 1, although i still stick by the fact that whoever is number 1 is number 1, you can complain all you want but the name won't budge besides the ranking unless their form drops or someone is consistently better than them.

Slutiana
Jan 18th, 2009, 10:25 PM
How on earth does Jankovic have a much more #1 worthy game? :o

Dementieva has more firepower. Dementieva is the flashier shotmaker. Both are exceptional athletes, maybe Jankovic beats Dementieva in defense, but Dementieva beats Jankovic in terms of stamina. Jankovic has one of the least effective FH's of a No.1 in the history of the game. Dementieva's serve is probably better than Jankovic's these days. Both have woeful mid-court games.

The reason why Jankovic has had more success compared with Lena is because she is tactically much more astute. That's about the only aspect of her game which is heads and tails above Lena D.

Jankovic's pathetic H2H's against a whole heap of other inferior players, is an embarrassment to the game.

I'm sorry but calling Dementieva's game journey-woman esque is just rediculous when saying Jankovic has a much more #1 worthy game. The title of a journey-woman is held for mid-ranked scrubs who achieve nothing but still slug it out week after week, year after year. What the hell do we call mid-ranked scrubs if Dementieva is a journey-woman? Abominations?
Lol Im not calling her a journey-woman but thats what it reminds me of and i've certainly seen other people say the same as well. Yes journeywoman is reserved for the people who just work their butts off trying to make the best out of their game and a bad situation and trying to make up for a lack of talent. Of course Elena is talented, but look at the top 10, is she more talented than Venus, Serena, Jankovic, Safina, Ivanovic, Maria? Hell no.

And as much as Jelena isn't exactly in my good-books right now. There's something about her game that is attractive and fun and she always gets caught up in high quality matches and even though people sometimes hate her for it, the drama that surrounds her just symbolises what goes on in the WTA tour and so great about it. Her strokes are so squeaky clean and although she used to be a hacker, I do like the way she plays now. Of course she doesn't have a head and mentality worthy of a champion and I think that thats why so many people aren't comfortable with her being number one but there's nothing spectacular for me or even the least bit attractive about Elena's game, even though I dont mind her at all and htink she's an absolutely OK girl :lol:. Im just saying it the way I have analysed it.

And seriously, I hate to be superficial but all the past champions hav had big personalitys and their personal lives have been talking points and ways to bring in new fans but Elena? Im sorry but she is a snoozefest, and as I said I have absolutely nothing against her but seriously the only thing we have ever heard about her worth noting down is when she said the WS are match fixers. :tape:

Its just that yeah she would be more deserving of JJ but it doesn't provoke strong feeling either way, even if many people felt JJ shouldn't be number one, there was still something to talk about and it spawned so many threads in WTAW alone. I just don't think that many people in wtaw and around the world will be very bothered with it. I mean im certainly not jumping up in the air at the idea, but neither am I feeling any of the opposite emotions. Its just not very interesting at all.

The Daviator
Jan 18th, 2009, 10:46 PM
Would you see her as the current best player in the world? :confused:

Absolutely not. Justine is still #1, everyone knows that.

Jean-Henri
Jan 18th, 2009, 10:46 PM
If computer says so, she's no. 1
It won't change my preferences towards neither Dementieva nor my own favs.
My fav soccer team sucks and has done so resultwise for the last 15 years, still they're my favs. Just like Alizé or Tamira or Sofia and the other players I really love to watch.
I just don't care for Dementieva, nothing against her.

goldenlox
Jan 18th, 2009, 11:07 PM
If you are #1 on the computer, like Jelena is now, then you are #1. It's not based on 2 weeks, it's 52 weeks

G1Player2
Jan 18th, 2009, 11:10 PM
If you are #1 on the computer, like Jelena is now, then you are #1. It's not based on 2 weeks, it's 52 weeks

If that's the case, then Serena should be #1 because she has been better than Jelena over the last 52 weeks. 2 Grand Slam finals, a slam win and 4 other titles.

miffedmax
Jan 18th, 2009, 11:24 PM
Lol Im not calling her a journey-woman but thats what it reminds me of and i've certainly seen other people say the same as well. Yes journeywoman is reserved for the people who just work their butts off trying to make the best out of their game and a bad situation and trying to make up for a lack of talent. Of course Elena is talented, but look at the top 10, is she more talented than Venus, Serena, Jankovic, Safina, Ivanovic, Maria? Hell no.

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It depends on how you define talent. Elena's certainly a better mover than Safina, Ivanovic and TOB. She 's stronger than JJ. She's fitter than Serena. In terms of raw, athletic talent, I'd say she's one of the best in the WTA. And she's frequently cited as being the fittest player on the women's side by journalists.

Elena's problems are in her head. Mental toughness is certainly part of being a tennis player, but some consider it part of the overall talent, while some consider it a separate category.

Apoleb
Jan 18th, 2009, 11:29 PM
I can't even imagine this bizarre scenario... Elena winning a Slam???

miffedmax
Jan 18th, 2009, 11:55 PM
I can't even imagine this bizarre scenario... Elena winning a Slam???

The only more bizarre scenario is her not being my No. 1 no matter what.;)

G1Player2
Jan 18th, 2009, 11:56 PM
The only more bizarre scenario is her not being my No. 1 no matter what.;)

miffedmax, I openly dislike and even loathe most of the Elena D. fans but you are of a different breed. :worship: ;)

Inger67
Jan 18th, 2009, 11:57 PM
This thread is pointless because she won't win. :)

Inger67
Jan 19th, 2009, 12:00 AM
If you are #1 on the computer, like Jelena is now, then you are #1. It's not based on 2 weeks, it's 52 weeks

Well considering a tennis season isn't 52 weeks long... :haha::rolleyes:

Viktymise
Jan 19th, 2009, 12:01 AM
Lol Im not calling her a journey-woman but thats what it reminds me of and i've certainly seen other people say the same as well.

Who calls her a journey-woman, apart from you?

Of course Elena is talented, but look at the top 10, is she more talented than Venus, Serena, Jankovic, Safina, Ivanovic, Maria? Hell no.

Talent is subjective. There is nothing "hell no" about Dementieva being less talented than any of these players. Rediculous to claim that players like Jankovic are by far and a way more talented than Dementieva anyway.

There's something about her [Jankovic] game that is attractive and fun and she always gets caught up in high quality matches and even though people sometimes hate her for it, the drama that surrounds her just symbolises what goes on in the WTA tour and so great about it.

Jankovic is a one dimensional baseline grinder as is Dementieva. Jankovic's FH is NOT a squeaky clean shot. I've absolutely no idea where this assumption comes from. Dementieva's BH may be predictable, but it's a more dangerous, penetrating shot in comparison with Jankovic's FH. Dementieva is the shotmaker of the two and dictates 80% of the baseline exchanges between the two when they play. Being a drama queen who posts injuries as excuses for losses and bullshits supposed injuries to big tournament lead ups is certainly a shameful mirror of the WTA.

Dementieva has had her fair share of high quality, titanic matches over a much longer period than Jankovic.

Of course she doesn't have a head and mentality worthy of a champion and I think that thats why so many people aren't comfortable with her being number one but there's nothing spectacular for me or even the least bit attractive about Elena's game, even though I dont mind her at all and htink she's an absolutely OK girl :lol:. Im just saying it the way I have analysed it.

Dementieva's won the Olympics. That's one of the biggest events on the calender. Bigger than anything the supposedly more talented players in Safina and Jankovic have one. Please do tell how Jankovic is a more spectacular player in comparison with Dementieva.

And seriously, I hate to be superficial but all the past champions hav had big personalitys and their personal lives have been talking points and ways to bring in new fans but Elena? Im sorry but she is a snoozefest, and as I said I have absolutely nothing against her but seriously the only thing we have ever heard about her worth noting down is when she said the WS are match fixers. :tape:

And what, Ivanovic has the most sparkling and quotable interviews in the history of the sport? If there was anyone ever so dead-pan, its her. Dementieva has at least said some quotable things over the years. "All the past champions have big personalities" is a sweeping statement if ever there was one. Amelie Mauresmo was the most marketable and bubbly interviewee ever, yeah? Davenport was such a media whore, right?Ivanovic....................about as engaging in interviews as a carrot.

Dave.
Jan 19th, 2009, 01:35 AM
^^ I agree with everything there Pavlova. I don't know what Slutiana was thinking with that post.

Although I wish you didn't feel the need to bring Ana in just to make Elena look better. The "all champions have big personalities" comment was just not true, as you pointed out with the other names there. Not all champions have to say controversial things.