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Mashafaaaaan
Jan 11th, 2009, 08:46 AM
I really hope so, especially Venus, it's already hard to see Maria OUT, I don't want to see Serbians sisters taking her title. Count on you.

Dodoboy.
Jan 11th, 2009, 08:48 AM
Venus def Serena final PLEASE!

They will probably meet in the QFs :rolls:

supergrunt
Jan 11th, 2009, 08:48 AM
yes, thank god sharapova withdrew so a Williams sister can finally win

supergrunt
Jan 11th, 2009, 08:48 AM
jk :lol:

Amalgamate
Jan 11th, 2009, 08:56 AM
:haha: Now more likely than ever Serena and Venus are going to meet in the QF's.

Andy.
Jan 11th, 2009, 08:57 AM
I really want Venus to win it would be great to see her get 3/4 slams. I think she is in the best shape and form of all the top girls ATM.

Rumkin
Jan 11th, 2009, 08:59 AM
We don't even know how Maria was going to play if she did not withdrew :lol:

But anyways, I'm rooting for Venus.......and JJ :p

mckyle.
Jan 11th, 2009, 09:00 AM
Real talk no SHIT!!!

DeLorean
Jan 11th, 2009, 09:17 AM
it may surprise some that the wta has more to it than the WS and Shara......not sure what tho, so may need to get back to you

raffles
Jan 11th, 2009, 09:43 AM
Anyone but the Williams, please. Maria pulling out doesn't really help the Willies as Maria wasn't going to be any kind of threat to the tournament anyway.

gmak
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:03 AM
maybe Lena can win her first slam :angel: :lol:
stranger things have happened ;)

but if I had to choose between Williams or the Serbs I would definitely root for Venus :angel:

serenus_2k8
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:07 AM
In the thread to predict things for the AO, I predicted Venus and Serena would draw eachother in QF or be on same half at least, which they will.

One half will be really heavy with both WS, Elena D and probz Zvonareva or Ana if Ana finds form.

gmak
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:10 AM
I want Lena away from Venus and JJ :scared:

Bijoux0021
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:15 AM
:lol:

When has Sharapova ever stopped a Williams from winning AO?

olympus28
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:15 AM
Venus it's yours....:)

CR3WLFC
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:17 AM
i dont even care who will win now, as long as i get 2 weeks of good tennis.

Get better soon Maria :sad:

tiwapon
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:21 AM
I don't think Serena wins this year anyway. I have a feeling it's someone who never won before. Maybe Dementieva.

raffles
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:25 AM
I don't think Serena wins this year anyway. I have a feeling it's someone who never won before. Maybe Dementieva.
I hope so but that someone isn't going to be Dementieva. You say that Williams will meet in the QF, well I'm thankful for that because I can't watch any WilliamsVWilliams matches and I wouldn't want to skip the final.

Dodoboy.
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:26 AM
I know right!

The AO draws are going to be pathetic!

CR3WLFC
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:39 AM
Dementieva? STOP being dellusional. One of the williams Sista's are going to win it. The other players are just to weak. Maybe if ivanovic can get her head togheter she can be a threat

Dodoboy.
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:00 AM
Elena could probably make the finals :shrug:

Sharapowerr
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:14 AM
I want also that Venus wins or Elena D.. please not JJ or Ana I their chances are now higher , now that Maria is out..

Ballbasher
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:16 AM
Dementieva has never been in the quarterfinals in Melbourne before :shrug: Saying that, it wouldn't surprise me, if she made the final!

Delusional: Sveta will win!
Realistic/Hopeful: Venus will win!

Lucemferre
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:29 AM
If Elena had a brain she would have skipped Sydney. This is the second time she has a really good chance to win a major. Jankovic is 'in doubt'. Maria out. Ivanovic is her bitch. Sveta-irrelevant. Safina- beatable. Serena- won last two matches against her. So it leaves only Venus whose ao record isn't exactly brilliant either. She is no4 and if somehow avoids Venus in qf there is a very strong possibility for her to win the whole thing. Is playing four weeks in a row really necessary?
Particularly after winning your first tournament of the year :rolleyes: But how would Elena know anything about winning a major :spit: That's why she is clueless how to prepare for one :lol:

frenchie
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:36 AM
I really hope so, especially Venus, it's already hard to see Maria OUT, I don't want to see Serbians sisters taking her title. Count on you.

:lol:
As if Maria was a threat to the WS and to the AO title anyway:help::rolleyes:

Corswandt
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:46 AM
If Elena had a brain she would have skipped Sydney. This is the second time she has a really good chance to win a major. Jankovic is 'in doubt'. Maria out. Ivanovic is her bitch. Sveta-irrelevant. Safina- beatable. Serena- won last two matches against her. So it leaves only Venus whose ao record isn't exactly brilliant either. She is no4 and if somehow avoids Venus in qf there is a very strong possibility for her to win the whole thing. Is playing four weeks in a row really necessary?
Particularly after winning your first tournament of the year :rolleyes: But how would Elena know anything about winning a major :spit: That's why she is clueless how to prepare for one :lol:

Make that five weeks because she's already signed up for the Fed Cup tie. And I'll bet she'll consider that tie a bigger priority than doing well at the AO. You're right - Dementieva's manages her career seemingly through notes written in the back of a soiled paper napkin.

Vaidisova Ruled
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:50 AM
:lol:
As if Maria was a threat to the WS and to the AO title anyway:help::rolleyes:
Maria never won AO
Maria never beat a williams in a grand slam

Il Primo!
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:52 AM
If Elena had a brain she would have skipped Sydney. This is the second time she has a really good chance to win a major. Jankovic is 'in doubt'. Maria out. Ivanovic is her bitch. Sveta-irrelevant. Safina- beatable. Serena- won last two matches against her. So it leaves only Venus whose ao record isn't exactly brilliant either. She is no4 and if somehow avoids Venus in qf there is a very strong possibility for her to win the whole thing. Is playing four weeks in a row really necessary?
Particularly after winning your first tournament of the year :rolleyes: But how would Elena know anything about winning a major :spit: That's why she is clueless how to prepare for one :lol:

Gosh, she is so stupid. Tournaments whore.

tiwapon
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:53 AM
She unfortunately did win is last year.

Matt01
Jan 11th, 2009, 12:00 PM
Delusional: Sveta will win!
Realistic/Hopeful: Venus will win!


Saying that Sveta will win AO isn't anymore delusional than saying that Venus will :lol: Both have done practically nothing at AO in the last few years.

hwanmig
Jan 11th, 2009, 12:02 PM
Oh Yes Now that Maria is out a Williams sister is gonna win:lol:

Il Primo!
Jan 11th, 2009, 12:02 PM
Saying that Sveta will win AO isn't anymore delusional than saying that Venus will :lol: Both have done practically nothing at AO in the last few years.

Are you serious? If you're not, and I hope you're not, you're good at your full time job as UberTroll.

debby
Jan 11th, 2009, 12:06 PM
Everybody forgets Jelena :o
She is a drama queen, she will be there.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 11th, 2009, 12:14 PM
what makes you think that if sh was in that it still wouldn't be a win for the WS :hehehe:

Matt01
Jan 11th, 2009, 12:20 PM
Are you serious? If you're not, and I hope you're not, you're good at your full time job as UberTroll.


Let me guess: After Pova's retirement, you are seriously thinking that Venus will win AO for the first time in her long career, right? :tape:

madmax
Jan 11th, 2009, 12:21 PM
well you guys keep on talking about WS and Elena, forgetting that one serb World Nr.1..I bet she will rise her first major trophy despite all her moaning and groaning. This will be the sad day for tennis:awww:

Koon
Jan 11th, 2009, 12:23 PM
Russians and teens are always dangerous :kiss: (especially is Vika and Vera ) :p

Dodoboy.
Jan 11th, 2009, 12:26 PM
If Elena had a brain she would have skipped Sydney. This is the second time she has a really good chance to win a major. Jankovic is 'in doubt'. Maria out. Ivanovic is her bitch. Sveta-irrelevant. Safina- beatable. Serena- won last two matches against her. So it leaves only Venus whose ao record isn't exactly brilliant either. She is no4 and if somehow avoids Venus in qf there is a very strong possibility for her to win the whole thing. Is playing four weeks in a row really necessary?
Particularly after winning your first tournament of the year :rolleyes: But how would Elena know anything about winning a major :spit: That's why she is clueless how to prepare for one :lol:

Great post!

So true!

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 11th, 2009, 12:27 PM
what makes you think that if sh was in that it still wouldn't be a win for the WS :hehehe:

Don't know a feeling
2004 : Sharapova, then 2005 Serena and Venus
2006 Sharapova then 2007 Serena and Venus
2008 Sharapova then Venus and Serena
2009 :lol::lol::lol: with Sharapova OUT. it's gonna be Serena, then Venus and Maria I guess.:lol:

davidmario
Jan 11th, 2009, 12:40 PM
as if masha was a problem for them in the past. go figure.

homogenius
Jan 11th, 2009, 12:41 PM
Don't know a feeling
2004 : Sharapova, then 2005 Serena and Venus
2006 Sharapova then 2007 Serena and Venus
2008 Sharapova then Venus and Serena
2009 :lol::lol::lol: with Sharapova OUT. it's gonna be Serena, then Venus and Maria I guess.:lol:

:weirdo:

bad_angel_109
Jan 11th, 2009, 12:42 PM
Oh Yes Now that Maria is out a Williams sister is gonna win:lol::lol: ditto! i say Serena, yay. or at least not having Masha defend her title will help Dinara's chances of claiming her first GS or even Daniela :devil:

StephenUK
Jan 11th, 2009, 12:50 PM
Given how unpredictable women's tennis is, only a fool would make this sort of pronouncement. Did anyone expect the WTA Champs final to be Venus v Zvonareva? Serena ought to have lost to Sam Stosur today so that is hardly a ringing endorsement of her form. I agree with the poster who said that Maria was never likely to win anyway.

Having said that, Venus fans have cause to be excited - her recent form seems to indicate she is now a major threat on hardcourts again as well as grass. But she has never won the Australian - one of the weird mysteries of her career- so it'll be interesting to see whether there is some sort of psychological hurdle there.

new-york
Jan 11th, 2009, 12:52 PM
Maria never won AO
Maria never beat a williams in a grand slam

irrelevant, she hasn't played in months.

that's a big loss for the tournament but i'd rather have Maria out of the tournament than struggling against everybody and losing early, just for the sake of being here.

i don't believe that she was gonna be that much of a factor in her first tournament back, preventing some in form & healthy top players from getting the big win.

kwilliams
Jan 11th, 2009, 01:04 PM
Venus seems to have a lot of pressure on her...as well as a lot of support. I really hope she can do it, in my eyes she's the favorite for the title. Her record may not be what it should be in Melbourne but how many contenders have a better record - just Serena and Ivanovic has a better recent record but she did sub-par in Brisbane.

I'm feeling so tense already because I know the title is there for the taking but obviously a lot can impede Venus in Melbourne. If she can't do it then I hope Serena can. I really hope they're on opposite sides of the draw.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 11th, 2009, 01:05 PM
Given how unpredictable women's tennis is, only a fool would make this sort of pronouncement. Did anyone expect the WTA Champs final to be Venus v Zvonareva? Serena ought to have lost to Sam Stosur today so that is hardly a ringing endorsement of her form. I agree with the poster who said that Maria was never likely to win anyway.

Having said that, Venus fans have cause to be excited - her recent form seems to indicate she is now a major threat on hardcourts again as well as grass. But she has never won the Australian - one of the weird mysteries of her career- so it'll be interesting to see whether there is some sort of psychological hurdle there.

serena lost to bammer in Hobart 07...wasn't a rining endorsement of her form then either :rolls:

harloo
Jan 11th, 2009, 01:30 PM
Given how unpredictable women's tennis is, only a fool would make this sort of pronouncement. Did anyone expect the WTA Champs final to be Venus v Zvonareva? Serena ought to have lost to Sam Stosur today so that is hardly a ringing endorsement of her form. I agree with the poster who said that Maria was never likely to win anyway.

Having said that, Venus fans have cause to be excited - her recent form seems to indicate she is now a major threat on hardcourts again as well as grass. But she has never won the Australian - one of the weird mysteries of her career- so it'll be interesting to see whether there is some sort of psychological hurdle there.

Even though women's tennis is unpredictable the same handful of players are the only one's with a realistic chance of winning the AO. My picks are in this order based on current form:
1. Venus
2. Serena
3. Jelena
I can't see any other possible scenario considering Maria is out, Sveta is a mental midget, and Dementieva always finds a way to lose big matches. The remaining top players are too inexperienced or lack the mental fortitude to seriously contend for the title.

I think what's truly unpredictable is who will win out of those three top players I mentioned. While everyone is praising Venus for her current form she's been in this position before and allowed the pressure to consume her.
On the other hand, Serena hasn't looked good in her first match but she's so up and down you just never know with her either. You can't really say how she'll do in the AO because she has proven everyone wrong there many times. I would put Jelena higher but for some reason I think she'll have problems with the reformed body. But I wouldn't count her out, have never liked her but she's a great competitor.:) I think it's a three way race.

AcesHigh
Jan 11th, 2009, 01:34 PM
Maria wasnt going to win anyway. Favorites for the title are JJ and Serena. Venus is a huge threat but she hasnt shown she's been to 1(one!!!!!) SF outside of Wimbledon in the last 5 years. With that kind of drought I dont think she can ever be a favorite for a slam outside Wimbledon until she proves she can get past the QF where she's had some major chokejobs in the past.

sharapovarulz1
Jan 11th, 2009, 01:35 PM
To be honest Im not really arsed who wins it now! But prob will either be Serena or Venus!

CrossCourt~Rally
Jan 11th, 2009, 01:38 PM
Sad news for Maria fans and the tennis world in general. Its never a good thing when one of our most popular personalities pulls out of a major:sad:. Hopefully she'll be ready to play Dubai in Feb:bounce:.

serenus_2k8
Jan 11th, 2009, 01:38 PM
This is Anne's chance now :hearts:

Matt01
Jan 11th, 2009, 01:43 PM
This is Anne's chance now :hearts:


Anne who? :confused:

homogenius
Jan 11th, 2009, 01:49 PM
Even though women's tennis is unpredictable the same handful of players are the only one's with a realistic chance of winning the AO. My picks are in this order based on current form:
1. Venus
2. Serena
3. Jelena
I can't see any other possible scenario considering Maria is out, Sveta is a mental midget, and Dementieva always finds a way to lose big matches. The remaining top players are too inexperienced or lack the mental fortitude to seriously contend for the title.

I think what's truly unpredictable is who will win out of those three top players I mentioned. While everyone is praising Venus for her current form she's been in this position before and allowed the pressure to consume her.
On the other hand, Serena hasn't looked good in her first match but she's so up and down you just never know with her either. You can't really say how she'll do in the AO because she has proven everyone wrong there many times. I would put Jelena higher but for some reason I think she'll have problems with the reformed body. But I wouldn't count her out, have never liked her but she's a great competitor.:) I think it's a three way race.

I agree with most of it but it's a slam and everything can happen at the end.Ana could find her game (she ahs the kind of game that can win her a slam, no matter how she played in the warm-up events)) or Safina could finally win something big with a good draw.

homogenius
Jan 11th, 2009, 01:49 PM
Anne who? :confused:

lol Keothavong probably (serenus post about her in almost every thread)

janksta
Jan 11th, 2009, 02:00 PM
Sally Peers..it's yours!

vwfan
Jan 11th, 2009, 02:13 PM
Maria wasnt going to win anyway. Favorites for the title are JJ and Serena. Venus is a huge threat but she hasnt shown she's been to 1(one!!!!!) SF outside of Wimbledon in the last 5 years. With that kind of drought I dont think she can ever be a favorite for a slam outside Wimbledon until she proves she can get past the QF where she's had some major chokejobs in the past.SF in 2007 U.S. Open??:confused:

But I agree. Venus should be a favorite, based on current form and end of year success. But, I agree, she will have a huge mental hurdle to overcome.

I hope she can do it! Especially since JJ and Serena have a slight advantage: they won't have to play each other until the final.

InsideOut.
Jan 11th, 2009, 02:13 PM
It's obvious what will happen. Ai, take the title. :)

court70
Jan 11th, 2009, 02:47 PM
I really hope so, especially Venus, it's already hard to see Maria OUT, I don't want to see Serbians sisters taking her title. Count on you.

You are saying a win for the WS as though maria was going to beat them..give me a break. She cannot complete with those two young ladies.

court70
Jan 11th, 2009, 02:49 PM
yes, thank god sharapova withdrew so a Williams sister can finally win

Ain't that the truth.....:rolleyes:

Russianboy
Jan 11th, 2009, 02:51 PM
serena lost to bammer in Hobart 07...wasn't a rining endorsement of her form then either :rolls:

well its not 07 anymore ;)

court70
Jan 11th, 2009, 02:53 PM
:lol:

When has Sharapova ever stopped a Williams from winning AO?

Exactly Bijoux.

Olórin
Jan 11th, 2009, 02:59 PM
well its not 07 anymore ;)

No shit, it's 2009 and Serena is ranked number two in the world and won the last slam.

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 11th, 2009, 03:03 PM
You are saying a win for the WS as though maria was going to beat them..give me a break. She cannot complete with those two young ladies.

You give me a break, you know exactly what I mean:rolleyes: and stop BS of course she can compete with WS, who won 3 Slams like WS since 2004.

HRHoliviasmith
Jan 11th, 2009, 03:06 PM
I want Lena away from Venus and JJ :scared:

i want her away from serena. :scared:

spartanfan
Jan 11th, 2009, 03:08 PM
I really want Venus to win it would be great to see her get 3/4 slams. I think she is in the best shape and form of all the top girls ATM.
Agreed. Venus seems to be playing well and consistent of all the top ladies. But Dementieva seems to be playing well as well and get on hot streaks too. Everyone else seems to be playing uninspired.

Uranium
Jan 11th, 2009, 03:14 PM
Ugh, now everyone expecting Venus to win, she does better when she is under the radar:p
Anyways, I hope Venus, Serena, or Elena....or Dokic:p win this.

court70
Jan 11th, 2009, 03:15 PM
Make that five weeks because she's already signed up for the Fed Cup tie. And I'll bet she'll consider that tie a bigger priority than doing well at the AO. You're right - Dementieva's manages her career seemingly through notes written in the back of a soiled paper napkin.

Again Dementieva is in it for the money or winning anything that is affiliated with Russia.

spartanfan
Jan 11th, 2009, 03:16 PM
If Elena had a brain she would have skipped Sydney. This is the second time she has a really good chance to win a major. Jankovic is 'in doubt'. Maria out. Ivanovic is her bitch. Sveta-irrelevant. Safina- beatable. Serena- won last two matches against her. So it leaves only Venus whose ao record isn't exactly brilliant either. She is no4 and if somehow avoids Venus in qf there is a very strong possibility for her to win the whole thing. Is playing four weeks in a row really necessary?
Particularly after winning your first tournament of the year :rolleyes: But how would Elena know anything about winning a major :spit: That's why she is clueless how to prepare for one :lol:
SNAP! You didn't have to go there Lucifer LOL. But she did win the Olympics which is on a large stage! So I wouldnt count her out or Safina for that matter.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 11th, 2009, 03:26 PM
well its not 07 anymore ;)

you point out the obvious as if that was supposed to mean something :confused: it wasn't 07 for a while now...what's your point :scratch:

RFSTB
Jan 11th, 2009, 03:34 PM
Women's tennis is a bit boring now without anyone who can really challenge the Williams sisters. I mean don't get me wrong I LOVE Venus and Serena but they need good competition to make the game exciting. The only 2 players who play with that never-say-die attitude like the sisters are Justine Henin and Sharapova, and neither are playing at the moment. I know there are other good players like Ivanovic, Jankovic, Dimentieva, Hantuchova and Safina, but they are unreliable headcases, especially when playing against the sisters.

friendsita
Jan 11th, 2009, 03:34 PM
I love Masha... but she wasn't a threat to the sisters

bandabou
Jan 11th, 2009, 03:53 PM
Hmm...although: It ain't like Maria was the one stopping them from winning majors. If I'm not mistaken only ONCE has Maria beaten either of them at a major and that was waaayyyy back in '04 Wimbledon.

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 11th, 2009, 04:00 PM
Hmm...although: It ain't like Maria was the one stopping them from winning majors. If I'm not mistaken only ONCE has Maria beaten either of them at a major and that was waaayyyy back in '04 Wimbledon.

Of course NOONE can except each other:rolleyes:

DA FOREHAND
Jan 11th, 2009, 04:16 PM
you point out the obvious as if that was supposed to mean something :confused: it wasn't 07 for a while now...what's your point :scratch:

exctly... it wasn't 07 in 06 ...:tape::lol:

ninanina19
Jan 11th, 2009, 04:25 PM
I really want Venus to win it would be great to see her get 3/4 slams. I think she is in the best shape and form of all the top girls ATM.

Same here.

bandabou
Jan 11th, 2009, 04:26 PM
Of course NOONE can except each other:rolleyes:

As the last two majors indicate..;)

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 11th, 2009, 04:31 PM
As the last two majors indicate..;)

The last two Majors were on fast surfaces, and I'm sure Maria can do something against BOTH sisters on HC like OZ and US Open, on grass, I'm not that sure especially against Venus.

Shawn
Jan 11th, 2009, 04:34 PM
let is be Venus vs Jankovic or Safina. i need a dramatic final. last year's Australian Open was very entertaining except for the final. I want two weeks of entertaining tennis ending with Venus winning her 1st Australian Open and Murray of Nadal winning on the mens side

n1ko0
Jan 11th, 2009, 04:38 PM
I want someone to win who hasnt won AO before, and even better someone who hasnt won a slam but deserves one for sure (dementieva / jankovic) but would also love to see venus win this...or even vera??

V-MAC
Jan 11th, 2009, 04:42 PM
I actually feel Ivanovic will be the one to beat....just a hunch

Shawn
Jan 11th, 2009, 04:46 PM
I actually feel Ivanovic will be the one to beat....just a hunch
Ivanovic? she has not been playing well lately. I would have to see her early round performances first. She has more confidence in Australia, so you never know. I'm loving the confidence that Venus exudes, I love Dementieva's good form, I like Safina and you can never count out Serena. However, I think Jelena will go very far and along with Venus, are the ones to beat.

The Daviator
Jan 11th, 2009, 05:00 PM
I'm convinced Venus will be the winner.

moon
Jan 11th, 2009, 05:12 PM
I'm just glad she did it before they made the draw.
Hopefully one side won't be too much heavier than the other.

Hashim.
Jan 11th, 2009, 05:14 PM
i think Venus will win;):)

starin
Jan 11th, 2009, 05:16 PM
at least we know for sure the draw won't be Venus/Sharapova 4th Rd and then Venus/Sharapova v. Serena QF.:tape:

Anyways get better Sharapova :hug:

Sammm
Jan 11th, 2009, 05:19 PM
If Elena had a brain she would have skipped Sydney. This is the second time she has a really good chance to win a major. Jankovic is 'in doubt'. Maria out. Ivanovic is her bitch. Sveta-irrelevant. Safina- beatable. Serena- won last two matches against her. So it leaves only Venus whose ao record isn't exactly brilliant either. She is no4 and if somehow avoids Venus in qf there is a very strong possibility for her to win the whole thing. Is playing four weeks in a row really necessary?
Particularly after winning your first tournament of the year :rolleyes: But how would Elena know anything about winning a major :spit: That's why she is clueless how to prepare for one :lol:
Well, Elena tanked her match in Canada against Cibulkova to save energy and then went on to win in Beijing; maybe something similar will happen in Sydney. :angel:
Plus Elena is one of the fittest players n tour and is unlikely to suffer from fatigue at the start of the season. The thing will that will prevent her from winning is blowing up against a nobody or not bringing her A-game when she needs it against the top players.

youizahoe
Jan 11th, 2009, 05:20 PM
Serena to win, and venus to get trashed. The usual.

bandabou
Jan 11th, 2009, 05:29 PM
The last two Majors were on fast surfaces, and I'm sure Maria can do something against BOTH sisters on HC like OZ and US Open, on grass, I'm not that sure especially against Venus.

You sure?! Hasn't beaten Serena on outdoor hard courts ( last two times haven't been particularly pretty) and hasn't beaten Venus on grass.
well...I guess we will never know. maybe later in the year. Get well soon masha!

miffedmax
Jan 11th, 2009, 05:35 PM
maybe Lena can win her first slam :angel: :lol:
stranger things have happened ;)

but if I had to choose between Williams or the Serbs I would definitely root for Venus :angel:

Yes. It is time for the big blonde Godzilla to rise up out of the Pacific and lay waste to all before her.

Dodoboy.
Jan 11th, 2009, 05:41 PM
I'm convinced Venus will be the winner.

Co-sign. No-one is playing as well. Maybe Elena :shrug:

serenus_2k8
Jan 11th, 2009, 05:58 PM
I believe/predict that it will be a both WS, Elena D and JJ semi final line up. So basically USO but Dinara swapped with Venus. Though I guess it depends on the draw.

miffedmax
Jan 11th, 2009, 06:02 PM
Needless to say, I can live with either of the above. ^^^

bandabou
Jan 11th, 2009, 06:05 PM
The last two Majors were on fast surfaces, and I'm sure Maria can do something against BOTH sisters on HC like OZ and US Open, on grass, I'm not that sure especially against Venus.

You sure?! Hasn't beaten Serena on outdoor hard courts ( last two times haven't been particularly pretty) and hasn't beaten Venus on grass.
well...I guess we will never know. maybe later in the year. Get well soon masha!

CloudAtlas
Jan 11th, 2009, 06:05 PM
I think Zvonareva will win personally :cool:

winone23
Jan 11th, 2009, 06:13 PM
If a Williams sister doesn't take it. My gut tells me Vera or Safina are going to win their first slam. However, my gut also thinks Venus may win her first AO. Only time will tell.

ys
Jan 11th, 2009, 06:56 PM
Of course, The sisteres are big favourites now.. But I'm sure they'll be challenged by a trio of high-ranked Russians. Remembering what Morozova did to Lena D., I would not be surprised to see Sveta blasting her way to the title. Dina is due a good Slam run, and Lena D. is always your favourite box of chocolate.

markdelaney
Jan 11th, 2009, 06:58 PM
I think we could have a shock winner. If Serena is around for week 2 you just never know with her but this could well be a "Myskina moment"

V's a star
Jan 11th, 2009, 07:49 PM
Mashafaaaaaaan i no this is sad for u i understand. but be for real here theres no way in hell she was gonna win anyway, not havin any match pratice since June and her 1st tournament back wud have been a major thats a recipe for an early exit she had no chance anyway. but wud have been nice to see her there

court70
Jan 11th, 2009, 07:56 PM
Mashafaaaaaaan i no this is sad for u i understand. but be for real here theres no way in hell she was gonna win anyway, not havin any match pratice since June and her 1st tournament back wud have been a major thats a recipe for an early exit she had no chance anyway. but wud have been nice to see her there

You are right she had no chance in hell in winning this tournament. After all she's no williams sister who can waltz into a major without any match play and win it that is only reserved for two special players.

barmaid
Jan 11th, 2009, 08:04 PM
Well I'm certainly not looking forward to this year's AO now that Maria can't play (sore shoulder):sad: and Jelena is a big question mark.? Also Ana is not playing up to snuff, the tour is really missing Justine:worship: and of course Clijsters, Martina, Davenport and all the up and comers who are not making any headway.:help:..so of course that leaves the "Willies" to compete against a weak field. Time for Kuznetsova to step up and Elena who just won a tournament to finally play to their potential:bounce:

barmaid

AcesHigh
Jan 11th, 2009, 08:06 PM
Of course, The sisteres are big favourites now.. But I'm sure they'll be challenged by a trio of high-ranked Russians. Remembering what Morozova did to Lena D., I would not be surprised to see Sveta blasting her way to the title. Dina is due a good Slam run, and Lena D. is always your favourite box of chocolate.

Sveta winning a slam now?? :spit:

I wouldnt even consider her a darkhourse at this point.


IMO
Faves: Serena, JJ

Other contenders: Venus, Safina

Dark horses: Dementieva, Mauresmo

Slim to no chance: Ivanovic, Chakvetadze, Radwanska

Tennisation
Jan 11th, 2009, 08:11 PM
Sveta winning a slam now?? :spit:

I wouldnt even consider her a darkhourse at this point.


IMO
Faves: Serena, JJ

Other contenders: Venus, Safina

Dark horses: Dementieva, Mauresmo

Slim to no chance: Ivanovic, Chakvetadze, RadwanskaMauresmo a dark horse? :spit:

-VSR-
Jan 11th, 2009, 08:38 PM
Has Sharapova ever beat Serena in Australia? Nah. :lol:

Venus and Sharapova never have played there. :shrug:

HRHoliviasmith
Jan 11th, 2009, 09:15 PM
Faves: Serena, JJ, Venus

Other contenders: Safina, Dementieva

Dark horses: Ivanovic, Vera Z

Very Slim chance: Radwanska

PLease allow me to borrow your format using my picks.

Robert-KimClijst
Jan 11th, 2009, 09:16 PM
Nooo! :( :(

DaMamaJama87
Jan 11th, 2009, 09:22 PM
Of course, The sisteres are big favourites now.. But I'm sure they'll be challenged by a trio of high-ranked Russians. Remembering what Morozova did to Lena D., I would not be surprised to see Sveta blasting her way to the title. Dina is due a good Slam run, and Lena D. is always your favourite box of chocolate.

LOL what did Morozova do for Dementieva? Her serve still sucked and she still didn't win any slams. :tape: Dinara's already had many "good slam runs" but she's always got outclassed in the later stages. Ultimately that retriever style of play will not match up against a big hitter like Serena or Venus having a good day. Your guess is just as off base as anyone else's. It wouldn't be surprising if all of the three Russians you mentioned, crash out early in the first week. They're all that inconsistent.

raffles
Jan 11th, 2009, 09:25 PM
This talk of Sveta winning a slam is making me laugh, I'd put my money on Caro, Vika, Domi or any of the youngsters before I would bet a penny on Sveta.

Roookie
Jan 11th, 2009, 09:27 PM
QFs:
Venus def. Jelena
Azarenka def. Svetla
Dementieva def. Bartoli
Zvonareva def. Serena

SF.
Venus def. Azarenka
Dementieva def. Zvonareva

Final:
Venus def. Dementieva

raffles
Jan 11th, 2009, 09:30 PM
QFs:
Venus def. Jelena
Azarenka def. Svetla
Dementieva def. Bartoli
Zvonareva def. Serena

SF.
Venus def. Azarenka
Dementieva def. Zvonareva

Final:
Venus def. Dementieva
:help: Please no. I think I could go into a coma watching a Venus/Demented final.

RJWCapriati
Jan 11th, 2009, 09:33 PM
Venus or Serena were going to win even if Maria was in......unfortunate she is out though I was looking forward to her clashing with a top 8 player in the R16.

doni1212
Jan 11th, 2009, 09:36 PM
Venus or Serena were going to win even if Maria was in......unfortunate she is out though I was looking forward to her clashing with a top 8 player in the R16.

I was thinking that as well, :lol:

DragonFlame
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:18 PM
Ugh the thing i definetly DON`T want to see right now is a williams sister winning another grandslam. If they do the competition on the wta really is pathetically weak without henin or pova there.
Right now i´m hoping for elena to be as far away from jelena and venus in the draw and get into a confident streak. Hopefully she´ll carry on her momentum from auckland to sydney, and then to you know where. Maybe she´ll finally pass the 4th round this year. :o

Uranium
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:20 PM
Ugh the thing i definetly DON`T want to see right now is a williams sister winning another grandslam. If they do the competition on the wta really is pathetically weak without henin or pova there.
Right now i´m hoping for elena to be as far away from jelena and venus in the draw and get into a confident streak. Hopefully she´ll carry on her momentum from auckland to sydney, and then to you know where. Maybe she´ll finally pass the 4th round this year. :o

Are you basically trying to say the WS only win slams with weak fields?

ys
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:23 PM
LOL what did Morozova do for Dementieva?

She turned her from a struggling also-run into an elite player. You probably forgot what was Elena like back in 2003.. Morozova drove Lena's self-belief into such heights that she managed to reach to Slam finals with THAT serve.. Think about it. How good of a motivator Morozova should be then. And Sveta has no weaknesses. All she needs is someone fixing her head, and that is what Morozova is perfect at.

serenus_2k8
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:26 PM
QFs:
Venus def. Jelena
Azarenka def. Svetla
Dementieva def. Bartoli
Zvonareva def. Serena

SF.
Venus def. Azarenka
Dementieva def. Zvonareva

Final:
Venus def. Dementieva

You surely cant predict that Ree will be injured??! Or....were you actually being serious about Ree losing to Zvonareva :help:

Ugh the thing i definetly DON`T want to see right now is a williams sister winning another grandslam. If they do the competition on the wta really is pathetically weak without henin or pova there.
Right now i´m hoping for elena to be as far away from jelena and venus in the draw and get into a confident streak. Hopefully she´ll carry on her momentum from auckland to sydney, and then to you know where. Maybe she´ll finally pass the 4th round this year. :o

WTF ''right now'' isnt the only time WS win slams, theyve done it a while now against strong competition and can continue to do so vs strong competition.

If the field is weak when Vee (or Ree win) why do you need your fave to avoid her? Unless Elena is just another weak player in the field that ur speaking of?

DragonFlame
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:33 PM
Are you basically trying to say the WS only win slams with weak fields?

Of course not, they´re part of the best of the ´old´ generation. I just wanna see what fight the others put up against them at AO, like the serbs did last year. It´s been serena/venus tour since wimbledon and it´s due for a change. Especially since i´m still thinking their level definetly wasn´t that good compared to what we´ve seen from them in the past. (serena at usopen, venus at YEC) Looking at pure form and quality it wasn't THAT good.(sharapova at AO and Henin 2007 were WAY MORE impressive) This is MY oppinion, so don't try to burn me for it. The others have a good shot when they are in form against how the WS played at the end of last year, but if they show up like crap again and be blown away i'll definetly be annoyed.

Vlover
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:34 PM
Why isn't the player of the year and #1 seed not the favorite to win?:( From what I was hearing during the off season, she was suppose to dominate this season so what is going on?:confused:

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:35 PM
Ugh the thing i definetly DON`T want to see right now is a williams sister winning another grandslam. If they do the competition on the wta really is pathetically weak without henin or pova there.
Right now i´m hoping for elena to be as far away from jelena and venus in the draw and get into a confident streak. Hopefully she´ll carry on her momentum from auckland to sydney, and then to you know where. Maybe she´ll finally pass the 4th round this year. :o

ummm they were winning slams even WITH jh and pova in the draw...so it's not like they would have made a difference :rolleyes:

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:36 PM
Of course not, they´re part of the best of the ´old´ generation. I just wanna see what fight the others put up against them at AO, like the serbs did last year. It´s been serena/venus tour since wimbledon and it´s due for a change. Especially since i´m still thinking their level definetly wasn´t that good compared to what we´ve seen from them in the past. (serena at usopen, venus at YEC) Looking at pure form and quality it wasn't THAT good.(sharapova at AO and Henin 2007 were WAY MORE impressive) This is MY oppinion, so don't try to burn me for it. The others have a good shot when they are in form against how the WS played at the end of last year, but if they show up like crap again and be blown away i'll definetly be annoyed.

you had no problem with jh winning...the field wasn't pathetically weak then...why when the sisters win does that mean that the field is weak but jh was just "too strong" for everyone?? :rolleyes:

AkademiQ
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:43 PM
Ugh the thing i definetly DON`T want to see right now is a williams sister winning another grandslam. If they do the competition on the wta really is pathetically weak without henin or pova there.
Right now i´m hoping for elena to be as far away from jelena and venus in the draw and get into a confident streak. Hopefully she´ll carry on her momentum from auckland to sydney, and then to you know where. Maybe she´ll finally pass the 4th round this year. :o

This is an interesting way to look at it. If Henin or Maria is in the draw are you saying their inclusion legitimizes a grand slam win for Serena or Venus? But if they are not in, the field is weak, even with Serena and Venus in it, and therefore a win by let us say, Elena would be a indicator that there is competition? Serena and Venus and all their accomplishments to you equal a weak field. You don't respect the women's game let alone people who have proven something who aren't named Justine or Maria do you?

serenus_2k8
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:54 PM
lol Keothavong probably (serenus post about her in almost every thread)

Yeh well...hardly. Anyway even if I did so what? Anne is hot property atm.

Surely you noticed the withdrawl of Maria and Jankovics rapid-firing of excuses came only a matter of hours after Annes ruthless run to the semis of Hobart? :lol:

DragonFlame
Jan 11th, 2009, 10:56 PM
This is an interesting way to look at it. If Henin or Maria is in the draw are you saying their inclusion legitimizes a grand slam win for Serena or Venus? But if they are not in, the field is weak, even with Serena and Venus in it, and therefore a win by let us say, Elena would be a indicator that there is competition? Serena and Venus and all their accomplishments to you equal a weak field. You don't respect the women's game let alone people who have proven something who aren't named Justine or Maria do you?

Maybe i should have put my words differently, but maybe if you read my second post on the last page you understand more of what i mean.
What i wanna see is fight and desire to win from the others! I want them to prove themselves by beating the best and rise to the occasion. I want to see newcomers that make a breakthrough and i wanna see topplayers showing up in excellent form. Beat the best and win this slam, i don't want a repeat like the usopen or YEC. I don't want them to roll over and hand this slam to them, i want the new generation to step up and take it with quality play! Cause we all know venus and serena will definetly bring a certain level(since they are both incredible champions)
BUT(here's my point), I say this because i truly believe they have a very good chance to beat them because i found the quality of the WS's play not incredible, at the end of last year. It was definetly good but not the same level as maria showed at AO and Henin in 2007.(and that's why im sad we're missing such great players in the fields now) I wanna see people rising to the occasion at this year's australian open. I just have no clue who's it gonna be.
That's the point i'm making. I don't want the others to roll over and hand it to them.


And about elena: i'll already be happy if she finally goes past the 4th round here and shows a fight. :0

V's a star
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:02 PM
This is an interesting way to look at it. If Henin or Maria is in the draw are you saying their inclusion legitimizes a grand slam win for Serena or Venus? But if they are not in, the field is weak, even with Serena and Venus in it, and therefore a win by let us say, Elena would be a indicator that there is competition? Serena and Venus and all their accomplishments to you equal a weak field. You don't respect the women's game let alone people who have proven something who aren't named Justine or Maria do you?

Racism:shrug: i dunno thats all i can come up with lol. :lol: :bolt:

DragonFlame
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:05 PM
you had no problem with jh winning...the field wasn't pathetically weak then...why when the sisters win does that mean that the field is weak but jh was just "too strong" for everyone?? :rolleyes:

I had no problem with justine henin winning because she was undoubtely BY FAR the best player at the end of 2007 with VERY high quality play. Beating great players like serena,venus and maria to win her biggest titles. And venus and maria were playing really really well at usopen07 and YEC 07 respectivally. That's why i'm sad we're missing such great players like maria and justine who can have such an incredibly high level of quality play. When looking at the second halfyear of last year we had NO player in that kind of form, not serena, not venus, BUT they won. And that's what i'm sad about. I've said this many times before but i'm gonna say it again: I wanna see the BEST of the BEST from all of them. If venus goes on and to win this AO in IMPECABLLE shape that really impresses me i'll say GREAT, AWESOME! But i don't wanna see her 70% being good enough to win it.
And we got the best of the best in 2007 and at the start of the year but after that Not even close. It's been a letdown since then, and everyone here knows it.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:08 PM
I had no problem with justine henin winning because she was undoubtely BY FAR the best player at the end of 2007 with VERY high quality play. Beating great players like serena,venus and maria to win her biggest titles. And venus and maria were playing really really well at usopen07 and YEC 07 respectivally. That's why i'm sad we're missing such great players like maria and justine who can have such an incredibly high level of quality play. When looking at the second halfyear of last year we had NO player in that kind of form, not serena, not venus, BUT they won. And that's what i'm sad about. I've said this many times before but i'm gonna say it again: I wanna see the BEST of the BEST from all of them. If venus goes on and to win this AO in IMPECABLLE shape that really impresses me i'll say GREAT, AWESOME! But i don't wanna see her 70% being good enough to win it.
And we got the best of the best in 2007 and at the start of the year but after that Not even close. It's been a letdown since then, and everyone here knows it.

Dementieva won Olympics during that period, I guess she won it because of weak depleted field . Funny how you forgot to mention the OG

Funny how you forget the mention that the current number one is number only because JH retired and other top players were either injured/ not playing as many tournaments

fufuqifuqishahah
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:09 PM
QFs:
Venus def. Jelena
Azarenka def. Svetla
Dementieva def. Bartoli
Zvonareva def. Serena

SF.
Venus def. Azarenka
Dementieva def. Zvonareva

Final:
Venus def. Dementieva

i have strong feelings about a dementieva / venus final too, esp if on opposite sides of the draw. I don't know about everything else mentioned though...

i'd imagine something more like

SF.
Venus def. Dinara/Azarenka/Jelena
Dementieva def. Serena/Dinara/Azarenka

Final:
Venus def. Dementieva

AkademiQ
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:09 PM
Maybe i should have put my words differently, but maybe if you read my second post on the last page you understand more of what i mean.
What i wanna see is fight and desire to win from the others! I want them to prove themselves by beating the best and rise to the occasion. I want to see newcomers that make a breakthrough and i wanna see topplayers showing up in excellent form. Beat the best and win this slam, i don't want a repeat like the usopen or YEC. I don't want them to roll over and hand this slam to them, i want the new generation to step up and take it with quality play! Cause we all know venus and serena will definetly bring a certain level(since they are both incredible champions)
BUT(here's my point), I say this because i truly believe they have a very good chance to beat them because i found the quality of the WS's play not incredible, at the end of last year. It was definetly good but not the same level as maria showed at AO and Henin in 2007.(and that's why im sad we're missing such great players in the fields now) I wanna see people rising to the occasion at this year's australian open. I just have no clue who's it gonna be.
That's the point i'm making. I don't want the others to roll over and hand it to them.


And about elena: i'll already be happy if she finally goes past the 4th round here and shows a fight. :0


I understand fully what you mean. You claim you want to see the best of the best however if that best is Serena or Venus, you are against that. The fight and desire from other players didn't matter to you when Justine was winning because to you she was the best and the kind of best you could agree with. Simple as that. You only have respect as far Justine and maybe Maria goes. Otherwise, to you, when Serena and Venus won as soon as laster year, they didn't win, they had other players, the same players Justine beat, who just rolled over for them. Do you want to try to explain your lack of respect towards Serena and Venus in any other way :confused:

starin
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:12 PM
Ugh the thing i definetly DON`T want to see right now is a williams sister winning another grandslam. If they do the competition on the wta really is pathetically weak without henin or pova there.
Right now i´m hoping for elena to be as far away from jelena and venus in the draw and get into a confident streak. Hopefully she´ll carry on her momentum from auckland to sydney, and then to you know where. Maybe she´ll finally pass the 4th round this year. :o

:shrug: For Williams detractors it boils down to this: When the Williams win it's cuz the competition is too weak when the Williams lose it's cuz the competition is too strong.

Mary Carrillo, Martina Navratilova, Patrick McEnroe, Tennis magazine, ESPN writers, and Tennis.com writer and many others have said some variation of this. But whatever. All I'll say is it's very convenient how their competition seems to rise and fall with their fortunes. They must be super lucky to have had the field be so weak for 16 slams.

homogenius
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:17 PM
I understand fully what you mean. You claim you want to see the best of the best however if that best is Serena or Venus, you are against that. The fight and desire from other players didn't matter to you when Justine was winning because to you she was the best and the kind of best you could agree with. Simple as that. You only have respect as far Justine and maybe Maria goes. Otherwise, to you, when Serena and Venus won as soon as laster year, they didn't win, they had other players, the same players Justine beat, who just rolled over for them. Do you want to try to explain your lack of respect towards Serena and Venus in any other way :confused:

With a big difference : Henin had to beat the sisters to win her slams in 2007 (and she really dominated the field that year.Serena or Venus failed to do that in 2008).

DragonFlame
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:18 PM
Dementieva won Olympics during that period, I guess she won it because of weak depleted field .

The quality definetly was lower and not the best but what makes me happy about this win was that it was definetly ElenaD giving it her all, playing the best she can. Her toplevel is not comparable to a justine or serena but she gave it her all and won it. Beating serena and safina(who was on a 15-match winningstreak) at that. And that's what i wanna see! People rising to the occasion and winning it. Hopefully even surpassing their potential in the future. That brings so much more joy to my face then seeing people winning whose 70% was good enough to win a slam.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:19 PM
^
So basically when the WS win it , it is lucky and weak depleted field, when anyone else wins it, 'they have risen to the occaison'
So dont blame it on the depleted field, just say you dont want WS to win and be honest and not a hypocrite

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:21 PM
:shrug: For Williams detractors it boils down to this: When the Williams win it's cuz the competition is too weak when the Williams lose it's cuz the competition is too strong.

Mary Carrillo, Martina Navratilova, Patrick McEnroe, Tennis magazine, ESPN writers, and Tennis.com writer and many others have said some variation of this. But whatever. All I'll say is it's very convenient how their competition seems to rise and fall with their fortunes. They must be super lucky to have had the field be so weak for 16 slams.

its the same old same old...oh well..people like him always find a way to detract from the sisters when they win...with or without jh or maria in the field the sisters have been winning slams since it was 1999...and they havent stopped since then..

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:22 PM
^
So basically when the WS win it , it is lucky and weak deplted field, when anyone else wins it, 'they have risen to the occaison'
So dont blame it on the depleted field, just say you dont want WS to win and be honest and not a hypocrite

:worship: preach it

DragonFlame
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:30 PM
I understand fully what you mean. You claim you want to see the best of the best however if that best is Serena or Venus, you are against that. The fight and desire from other players didn't matter to you when Justine was winning because to you she was the best and the kind of best you could agree with. Simple as that. You only have respect as far Justine and maybe Maria goes. Otherwise, to you, when Serena and Venus won as soon as laster year, they didn't win, they had other players, the same players Justine beat, who just rolled over for them. Do you want to try to explain your lack of respect towards Serena and Venus in any other way :confused:

Already stop trying to drive me in a corner and imply i'm a racist. :rolleyes: I've said on this page and if you look up, if venus shows up in impeccable form at australian open for example i'd be really happy if she took it. Cause that's what i wanna see! Not her winning at 70%

When justine won the usopen and YEC last year, you could see the desire and topplay venus had at the usopen, and maria had at the YEC. They were definetly playing to their max. If you couldn't see it, i'm not even going to argue this with you. Those 2 matches were the best matches of 2007 and both were better then ANY match in 2008.

Just look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym-AlrJ2uHE

just AMAZING! What a match, i was shivering in front of my tv. The points really were incredible.

AcesHigh
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:47 PM
Dragonflame, sorry but I have to call BS on you.

The level of play at AO 2008, RG 2007 or even USO 2007 was not that great. Yes Henin and Sharapova played well, but who really played superbly against them? Venus and Serena gave each other a better match at Wimbledon 2008 and USO 2008 than anyone at the slams Henin and Sharapova have won the last two years.

It's not about who shows up or how depleted the field is... it's about how well the competition fights and how high a level they can show.

Everyone was excited for AO 2008 and what happened? Ana, Jelena, Serena, Henin all play like sh!t for the most part. Now with little expectation for this AO, I expect it to be fantastic actually. I for one, do not want to see Sharapova if she plays poorly. I want good competitive tennis, and let's just wait for AO to see what happens.

Btw, there were a few matches(USO final for example) that were better than that Vee vs. JH and Maria vs. JH match in 2007.

AkademiQ
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:52 PM
Already stop trying to drive me in a corner and imply i'm a racist. :rolleyes: I've said on this page and if you look up, if venus shows up in impeccable form at australian open for example i'd be really happy if she took it. Cause that's what i wanna see! Not her winning at 70%

When justine won the usopen and YEC last year, you could see the desire and topplay venus had at the usopen, and maria had at the YEC. They were definetly playing to their max. If you couldn't see it, i'm not even going to argue this with you. Those 2 matches were the best matches of 2007 and both were better then ANY match in 2008.

Just look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym-AlrJ2uHE

just AMAZING! What a match, i was shivering in front of my tv. The points really were incredible.

You will take back that implication of racisim, because it didn't come from me. Go at the person who threw it at you.

If you are standing as the champion at the end of the day, raising that trophy above your head, you did what was necessary to have your name ingraved on that plate or cup. It's simple as that rather than the extracurriculars you're putting on it for faves as opposed to non-faves where unsurprisingly Justine was the victor :rolleyes:

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:52 PM
Already stop trying to drive me in a corner and imply i'm a racist. :rolleyes: I've said on this page and if you look up, if venus shows up in impeccable form at australian open for example i'd be really happy if she took it. Cause that's what i wanna see! Not her winning at 70%

When justine won the usopen and YEC last year, you could see the desire and topplay venus had at the usopen, and maria had at the YEC. They were definetly playing to their max. If you couldn't see it, i'm not even going to argue this with you. Those 2 matches were the best matches of 2007 and both were better then ANY match in 2008.

Just look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym-AlrJ2uHE

just AMAZING! What a match, i was shivering in front of my tv. The points really were incredible.

jh was pushed by venus played below par, and still hardly thrashed serena in any of the 3 meetings when she was dominating...what makes you think that if they decided to play anywhere near their best jh would stand a chance in the draw...see 03 W SF if you want to see serena play 100% and how jh handles it :wavey:

court70
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:53 PM
Maybe i should have put my words differently, but maybe if you read my second post on the last page you understand more of what i mean.
What i wanna see is fight and desire to win from the others! I want them to prove themselves by beating the best and rise to the occasion. I want to see newcomers that make a breakthrough and i wanna see topplayers showing up in excellent form. Beat the best and win this slam, i don't want a repeat like the usopen or YEC. I don't want them to roll over and hand this slam to them, i want the new generation to step up and take it with quality play! Cause we all know venus and serena will definetly bring a certain level(since they are both incredible champions)
BUT(here's my point), I say this because i truly believe they have a very good chance to beat them because i found the quality of the WS's play not incredible, at the end of last year. It was definetly good but not the same level as maria showed at AO and Henin in 2007.(and that's why im sad we're missing such great players in the fields now) I wanna see people rising to the occasion at this year's australian open. I just have no clue who's it gonna be.
That's the point i'm making. I don't want the others to roll over and hand it to them.


And about elena: i'll already be happy if she finally goes past the 4th round here and shows a fight. :0

Give me a frigging break, if you refer to maria as great then what do you call the williams sisters. Which part of maria is great please tell me because I do not see it.

court70
Jan 11th, 2009, 11:59 PM
I understand fully what you mean. You claim you want to see the best of the best however if that best is Serena or Venus, you are against that. The fight and desire from other players didn't matter to you when Justine was winning because to you she was the best and the kind of best you could agree with. Simple as that. You only have respect as far Justine and maybe Maria goes. Otherwise, to you, when Serena and Venus won as soon as laster year, they didn't win, they had other players, the same players Justine beat, who just rolled over for them. Do you want to try to explain your lack of respect towards Serena and Venus in any other way :confused:

The lack of respect is that they are black. Because his/her post does not make one ounce of sense whatsoever.

court70
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:05 AM
Already stop trying to drive me in a corner and imply i'm a racist. :rolleyes: I've said on this page and if you look up, if venus shows up in impeccable form at australian open for example i'd be really happy if she took it. Cause that's what i wanna see! Not her winning at 70%

When justine won the usopen and YEC last year, you could see the desire and topplay venus had at the usopen, and maria had at the YEC. They were definetly playing to their max. If you couldn't see it, i'm not even going to argue this with you. Those 2 matches were the best matches of 2007 and both were better then ANY match in 2008.

Just look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym-AlrJ2uHE

just AMAZING! What a match, i was shivering in front of my tv. The points really were incredible.

Hell if she could win it at 70% why the hell should she go for 100% that only tells you how great she is. Stop with your damn racist comments. You don't even know how racist your posts are coming across to others and you should really stop while you are not ahead because we can see right through you.

Uranium
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:09 AM
I see no racist comments:confused:
I think DF is trying to say he would rather a new champion/competition then WS, which he is entitled to say.

court70
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:12 AM
I see no racist comments:confused:
I think DF is trying to say he would rather a new champion/competition then WS, which he is entitled to say.

Then why doesn't he just come out and say that instead of digging his grave.

Uranium
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:15 AM
Then why doesn't he just come out and say that instead of digging his grave.

I just checked his posts again, and I saw 2 places where he says that, he was saying the play from players were lower from 2007 (kinda true) and he wants to see new players breakthrough, which lots of posters here want.

court70
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:20 AM
Why doesn't he talk about the final of the Australian Open in '07 what would he have called that one.

DragonFlame
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:32 AM
Yey, someone who i can discuss with. :)


The level of play at AO 2008, RG 2007 or even USO 2007 was not that great. Yes Henin and Sharapova played well, but who really played superbly against them? Venus and Serena gave each other a better match at Wimbledon 2008 and USO 2008 than anyone at the slams Henin and Sharapova have won the last two years.

RG07 i have to agree, as well with Wimbledon07. Henin on clay and Venus on grass are just THAT much better then the rest. They hardly ever had to play their best there to win, except for a few matches in recent years.(wimbledon 2005 is a really good exception, venus was amazing there) That's sad,
But hardcourts have always been open fields with all of them taking major prizes and where the competitiveness was the highest. The usopen 05, 06 and 07 were highly entertaining to me in terms of good play, as was the australian open 06.(apart from the final) Usopen has definetly been the best slam in terms of quality the 3 years before 2008, maybe that's why i was a little dissappointed. I expected A LOT more.

I still can't believe people considering the usopen08 quarterfinal a great quality match, when someone misses so many easy shots on almost a dozen of setpoints i just can't think of it as a great match. That abysmal overhead venus made keeps dripping in my mind. :o

But i totally agree about what you're saying about the wimbledon final 08. They were obviously the best players there and are the best players on grass. It's my favourite match of the year apart from sharapova's AO run. :)

I can't believe you're saying that about the usopen 07 though. That was the most competitive half of a grandslam in recent years. Usopen 07 was godlike compared to anything this year IMO. Very good matches in my oppinion, And i'm not saying this because justine won, i'm saying this because the competition in that half was incredibly good. Everyone on this forum was pumped for the matches between justine,serena,venus. Venus was playing awesome in the match against justine and i feel like she played better in that match then she did in any at this YEC for example.


It's not about who shows up or how depleted the field is... it's about how well the competition fights and how high a level they can show.

And that's what i wanna see this australian open, the competition playing really well! I don't wanna see a williamsister winning on 70% strength because they are obviously the best players with the highest 'normal' playlevel in the draw.


Everyone was excited for AO 2008 and what happened? Ana, Jelena, Serena, Henin all play like sh!t for the most part. Now with little expectation for this AO, I expect it to be fantastic actually. I for one, do not want to see Sharapova if she plays poorly. I want good competitive tennis, and let's just wait for AO to see what happens.

Agreed. :)


Btw, there were a few matches(USO final for example) that were better than that Vee vs. JH and Maria vs. JH match in 2007.

No way is the usopen final08 better then that IMO. Sorry :p

i'm actually really curious how venus will do the first half of the season. She hasn't had good performances at all in recent years in the first half. That's what's gonna make it interesting. If she's head and shoulders above the rest in the first half while she struggled there for ages that should say something doesn't it? Then she could finally be playing up to her potential, i hope she plays really really well.

And lastly, some of you need to get a grip. I'm not attacking anyone, i'm just saying what i think and putting it up for discussion. I just feel there's something lacking from woman's tennis lately and it's far less exciting then before. And hopefully more quality play is gonna make me think otherwise. I wanna see the quality play that makes your heart pound faster.

DragonFlame
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:44 AM
Hell if she could win it at 70% why the hell should she go for 100% that only tells you how great she is.


You're just not getting my point.:rolleyes: I think venus is an awesome player! I think she's great, i'm not tarnishing her legacy at all. 0_o And anyone who knows me(i've been posting here for ages) know i'm pretty objective and just wanna see the best of the best. The best matches there could possibly be with top quality play. And if you read my posts again, that's what i've been saying the whole time.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:46 AM
it's only far less exciting to you because jh isn't winning :lol: so if the criteria for you is that the rest of the field play their best to make it legitimate, why is 07, especially the us open, so special to you when the said serena and venus didn't play anywhere near their respective bests then???

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:50 AM
:worship: preach it

:hearts:

Seyz
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:58 AM
Venus has the best chance followed by Serena.
But there are some definite contenders. JJ and Ivanovic of course are contenders.
And never count out Kuznetsova.
Mauresmo might be a dark horse.
Dementieva?

Safina and Zvonareva.. small chance.

Who knows?
If there's a god these might be the final 8.

AcesHigh
Jan 12th, 2009, 01:01 AM
I'm just quoting the stuff I disagree with, the rest I am in agreement with.

I still can't believe people considering the usopen08 quarterfinal a great quality match, when someone misses so many easy shots on almost a dozen of setpoints i just can't think of it as a great match. That abysmal overhead venus made keeps dripping in my mind. :o

Were some points terrible? Yes... but both sisters stretched each other to levels other players could not reach. It wasn't the best match of the year, but for many patches, both played unbelievable tennis. If Venus or Serena were playing someone else, the score would have been much easier.

I can't believe you're saying that about the usopen 07 though. That was the most competitive half of a grandslam in recent years. Usopen 07 was godlike compared to anything this year IMO. Very good matches in my oppinion, And i'm not saying this because justine won, i'm saying this because the competition in that half was incredibly good. Everyone on this forum was pumped for the matches between justine,serena,venus. Venus was playing awesome in the match against justine and i feel like she played better in that match then she did in any at this YEC for example.

Vee definitely didnt play better at USO 2007 than she did at YEC this year. First... what matches are you remembering? That JJ-Vee match was very dramatic but error filled. Serena-JH wasnt great quality. Serena was slow.. playing defensively and the second set was a blowout. The Vee-JH match while exhibiting high quality at points was only good for half a set. And what other matches were there? Kuznetsova? Chakvetadze? Sharapova?
Vee at YEC was composed, made less dumb errors, and didn't tire out like she did in that second set against Justine. No one matched her level, but I think YEC 2008 wasnt much worse than YEC 2007. All we remember is that vastly overrated final while high in entertainment and drama, was not too high on quality. I asked after the final how many UE's and DF's there were but everyone kept ignoring the issue.

Were there any AMAZING matches in 2008...definitely not. It was a very frustrating year. I was so disappointed with AO 2008 which was supposed to be great but fizzled. Wimbledon was horrific except for the final and though USO 2008 was better than USO 2007 (b/c of more competitive matches), it definitely wasnt classic.

That being said... the only great slam in 2007 was AO where there was a great story and a lot of competitive matches. Venus and Henin were missing but we still had very good matches.. that's what I'm hoping for for AO 2009. USO 2007 was kinda good for me b/c Henin reached a level very few players have reached ever. But that's not enough to make a slam enjoyable overall. It takes more than one player to make a two-week tournament great.

DragonFlame
Jan 12th, 2009, 01:11 AM
it's only far less exciting to you because jh isn't winning :lol:

As a fan of justine henin and her being my favourite player it's definetly less exciting for me not being able to see her play anymore.
But woman's tennis definetly isn't ONLY less exciting for me because of it, if you don't think the overall quality of the best players(even the ones winning titles) went down in in 08 compared to other tennis years there's no point in discussing. Most statistics and almost any fan who's followed this board can confirm it's been one of the worst season in tennis history in terms of quality. I'm not gonna bring out all those posts i've made in numerous threads about different issues regarding this. The most famous probably being 'jankovic at #1'


so if the criteria for you is that the rest of the field play their best to make it legitimate, why is 07, especially the us open, so special to you when the said serena and venus didn't play anywhere near their respective bests then???

If you don't think venus played near her best at usopen 07 i'm not even gonna discuss this with you. :wavey:

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 12th, 2009, 01:22 AM
:rolls: if you think venus was playing her best at the US Open 07 you have serious issues...:rolls: serena and venus not playing their best but yet its amazing when jh wins....yet a win against the field for the WS now would be so atrocious to you :rolls: wtf am i seeing

CoolDude7
Jan 12th, 2009, 01:36 AM
It's great that justine was finally able to get wins over WS in 07, but lets not over due it and act like Justine was beating peak Serena and Venus.

Richie's
Jan 12th, 2009, 01:43 AM
I think after Maria's with draw (she will drop of Top 10 and maybe Top 20 after Dubai...) we will have a new AO Open Champion. I bet on Dementieva!

danieln1
Jan 12th, 2009, 02:13 AM
Venus must win it... or Ana, I guess Serena won´t take this one, but it´s an uneven year, so Serena can surprise us

V's a star
Jan 12th, 2009, 02:22 AM
As a fan of justine henin and her being my favourite player it's definetly less exciting for me not being able to see her play anymore.
But woman's tennis definetly isn't ONLY less exciting for me because of it, if you don't think the overall quality of the best players(even the ones winning titles) went down in in 08 compared to other tennis years there's no point in discussing. Most statistics and almost any fan who's followed this board can confirm it's been one of the worst season in tennis history in terms of quality. I'm not gonna bring out all those posts i've made in numerous threads about different issues regarding this. The most famous probably being 'jankovic at #1'



If you don't think venus played near her best at usopen 07 i'm not even gonna discuss this with you. :wavey:

K i somewhat beleive u have no racism in u but come the fuck on. Anyone knows Venus wasnt playing her best at the USO that year against Anna yes. but 7-6 in the third against JJ 50+ errors. n her differential in the JH was like -9 n Venus definitely had bad patches of errors in that match. Was it competitive yes was it Venus' best hell no. So either u dnt like the WS cuz there blk or u just choose to be blind and BS constantly take ur pick

Midnight_Robber
Jan 12th, 2009, 03:48 AM
I completely disagree Dragonflame.

You cite Justine beating the sisters back-to-back as a breathtaking feat - but it's a little unfair seeing as it's a feat that neither sister could hope to emulate. :rolleyes: You hold them up as the standard, even while suggesting that when they beat others, it's just 'not as good.':confused:

Yeah...Okay.

Regarding Justine's '07 USO. She played extremely well and was a deserving winner. But you can also at least admit that she beat an overweight, out-of-shape and (admittedly) petulant Serena who was not physically fit, match-fit or anywhere near her best; and a Venus who had finally put enough meat on her bones so that she didn't look like a walking skeleton, who showed instances of dazzling tennis throughout the tournament - but was not at full strength.

Against Henin, Venus was huffing and puffing towards the middle of the first set, visibly lost power on her serve, and received treatment from her trainer for dizziness and weakness. The sad part is that despite a sluggish, lacklustre start (reminiscent of her start against Jankovic in the quarters), she started to turn the match around. She won the most spectacular rally of the entire tournament against Henin in the first set, by utterly out-volleying her in every respect - which, would normally signal the beginning of the end for her opponent.

But instead of raising her level and going in for the kill, something very strange happened. She could hardly breathe, her serves were incredibly weak (often barely even reaching the net) - and she proceeded to lose the match. Sure, Venus fought very hard, and acquitted herself well under the circumstances. But to claim that a player who is heavily huffing and puffing, who can barely get a first serve over the net, and who overtly states that they feel as if they have 'vertigo' and needs assistance from their trainer - was somehow "at their very best" - is completely delusional.

But hey.

At least she struggled on anyway and was willing to face defeat - which is far more than Justine ever did against Mauresmo when she 'felt sick to her stomach'. :o) Earlier in the season Venus had a similar encounter with Chakvadatze where you could actually see her physically wilt in the match, so it was an on-going problem.

After the USO loss, Venus checked into a prestigious sports clinic, was diagnosed with serious anaemia, was given medication and placed on a special diet. To this day, she has to regulate her aneamia.

But *surprise, surprise* dedicated Henin fan that you are - of course you don't want to "discuss that." :rolleyes:

It's funny how Henin's mystery virus elicits sympathy and is taken quite seriously - nothing wrong with that - yet commentators and many fans will never give the Williams sisters any slack for injury, even if they're rolling around on the court, clutching their leg, crying in pain. ('Cos Dani Hantuchova? Was robbed!)

They simply refuse to acknowledge that Venus and Serena are human just like any other player - that they can get genuinely hurt and sick, feel pain and that it may adversely affect their performance.

At Wimbledon '03 Venus plays on injured abs in the semis against Clijsters. She pulls up short, winces, turns grey and looks like she's about to pass out - but that was only because Clijsters was taking *totally* taking it to the faker. And those 70 mile-an-hour lollipops she was spinning in and the way she avoided hitting a smash was totally characteristic of the way that a woman with the fastest serve ever, would normally play. Fortunately the pain killers kick in and she wins the match. Strained or torn Abs? What abs? Fake!

Kim was sooo winning that match!

In '04 Serena had freakin'knee surgery, came back and instantly won Miami. She then battled to the finals of Wimbledon (after struggling past Mauresmo - a player that she rarely has any problems with.) She moves awkwardly and slices her forehand only to lose the finals - and it's a sign that Maria is just too good and is the new Queen of Wimbledon. Knee surgery? What knee! Who cares!

Maria rules!

At the USO semi in '07, Venus physically implodes against Justine. She admits that she was dizzy, losing strength and sick to her stomach. Oracene books her into a clinic - but hey let's just totally ignore that, cos...

Henin ruled! :rolleyes:

Henin has a mystery virus? Henin has gastro and has to retire from the match? Poor Henin.
Mauresmo has a bad back/appendicitis? Poor Amelie.
Davenport has a bad foot/back? Poor Lindsay.
Hingis has a bad foot? Poor Hingis.
Clijsters has a bad wrist? Poor Kimmie.
Capriati has a bad shoulder? Too bad for her.
Sharapova's shoulder gets operated on? Get well soon Masha.
JJ has an extended knee/the flu/allergies/an eyelash in her eye/needs new underwear/wants the plastic bag moved off the court? Oh JJ! *cue violins*

But for the Williams sisters? Nada. Because for some reason, they aren't even human never have health issues, and they certainly don't get hurt - and when they say they're hurt, well then they're just lying.

Midnight_Robber
Jan 12th, 2009, 05:18 AM
Yeah, yeah. I should know better.
I should leave it alone...

But in response to the claim that the matches of 2007 were 'superior' to those of 2008, which can be proven by the stats.

Wimbledon Finals 2008.


S. Williams V.Williams

1st Serve % 44 of 66 = 67 % 57 of 91 = 63 %
Aces 9 4
Double Faults 1 3
Unforced Errors 11 13
Winning % 1st Serve 33 of 44 = 75 % 35 of 57 = 61 %
Winning % 2nd Serve 5 of 22 = 23 % 19 of 34 = 56 %
Receiving Points Won 37 of 91 = 41 % 28 of 66 = 42 %
Break Point Conversions 2 of 13 = 15 % 4 of 7 = 57 %
Net Approaches 9 of 15 = 60 % 15 of 18 = 83 %
Total Points Won 75 82
Fastest Serve 121 MPH 125 MPH
Average 1st Serve Speed 109 MPH 111 MPH
Average 2nd Serve Speed 87 MPH 92 MPH

If either Justine or Maria in 2007 or at the beginning of 2008, played a finals where they were regularly serving around the 109-110 mark; slamming down record-breaking serves and second serve aces; split with their opponent almost60 winners across 2 sets; had a measly 11 and 13 UFEs a piece and virtually no DFs; were skilfully volleying, sprinting across the court, changing direction and hitting the ball harder and faster than it's ever been hit by women in the history of game - and doing all of this with genuine control. Under historic circumstances? And in maelstrom conditions?

While facing an opponent of equal ability?

If they've ever played a match of that caliber - and never mind 2007 or 2008 but in their entire career?

Then I'd really LOVE to see it.

(And when either of them crunches out over 40 winners to a ratio of less errors over 2 sets in a USO final, then please. Let me know!)

supergrunt
Jan 12th, 2009, 05:44 AM
Justine in USO 07 form wouldn't beat Venus now

bandabou
Jan 12th, 2009, 06:01 AM
Hmmm..just a comment:Bringing up that Serena fat and out of shape or that Venus was huffing and puffing after ONE set...I'd rather not bring these up as excuses. Not a compliment to either sister. How's this possible as profesional athlete?!

So better leave that alone.

bandabou
Jan 12th, 2009, 06:43 AM
Of course not, they´re part of the best of the ´old´ generation. I just wanna see what fight the others put up against them at AO, like the serbs did last year. It´s been serena/venus tour since wimbledon and it´s due for a change. Especially since i´m still thinking their level definetly wasn´t that good compared to what we´ve seen from them in the past. (serena at usopen, venus at YEC) Looking at pure form and quality it wasn't THAT good.(sharapova at AO and Henin 2007 were WAY MORE impressive) This is MY oppinion, so don't try to burn me for it. The others have a good shot when they are in form against how the WS played at the end of last year, but if they show up like crap again and be blown away i'll definetly be annoyed.

Hmmm...but Sharapova at ' 08 oz open beat the same players Serena and Venus beat later on in the year. So what makes her performance more impressive?

Midnight_Robber
Jan 12th, 2009, 06:55 AM
Serena being out of shape is one thing (though at least at one stage in her career her weight gain was caused by not being able to train properly because of her knee) - though I'm not saying that was the case in 2007.

But Venus being underweight and having dizzy spells because of chronic anemia? Are you kidding me? Even athletes can get anaemia.

But I suppose that Henin taking copious time-outs for dehydration (whenever she was trailing) early on in her career, the heroic tale about her being on an IV drip after the USO in '03, the gastro attack and retirement in the OZ final, the mystery virus that plagued her career, not to mention the suspicion that more likely than not she burnt out and retired at the age of 26 because she bulked out, over-trained and pushed her body to the limit?

You're right.

One does wonder how all of this is possible for a professional athlete, and why this athlete in all of her stunning, exemplary, well-managed, professionalism - is no longer in the sport...

Serena's under-training and perceived slacking might be a form of mismanagement, but so is pushing your body beyond it's natural limits to the point where it can't take anymore. That's not professional - that's abuse. Some may see Henin as a dimunitive hero - I look at her as a very ambitious over-achiever and a cautionary tale

Matt01
Jan 12th, 2009, 11:20 AM
It's great that justine was finally able to get wins over WS in 07, but lets not over due it and act like Justine was beating peak Serena and Venus.


:weirdo:


Justine in USO 07 form wouldn't beat Venus now


:lol:

debby
Jan 12th, 2009, 11:53 AM
Please, leave Justine alone. She's retired. :yawn:

The Wiliamses Sisters never played Henin at her peak, and Henin at her peak never played Serena or Venus at her peak also.

What a shame. But the semi-final Henin-V.Williams was the closest of their respective peak, I think. Or maybe even Henin-S.Williams in Miami 2007 but not at the same moment unfortunately.

But now, Justine is retired, the sisters are not so they will be always the big favourites for all the titles.

pigam
Jan 12th, 2009, 11:55 AM
Serena being out of shape is one thing (though at least at one stage in her career her weight gain was caused by not being able to train properly because of her knee) - though I'm not saying that was the case in 2007.

But Venus being underweight and having dizzy spells because of chronic anemia? Are you kidding me? Even athletes can get anaemia.

But I suppose that Henin taking copious time-outs for dehydration (whenever she was trailing) early on in her career, the heroic tale about her being on an IV drip after the USO in '03, the gastro attack and retirement in the OZ final, the mystery virus that plagued her career, not to mention the suspicion that more likely than not she burnt out and retired at the age of 26 because she bulked out, over-trained and pushed her body to the limit?

You're right.

One does wonder how all of this is possible for a professional athlete, and why this athlete in all of her stunning, exemplary, well-managed, professionalism - is no longer in the sport...

Serena's under-training and perceived slacking might be a form of mismanagement, but so is pushing your body beyond it's natural limits to the point where it can't take anymore. That's not professional - that's abuse. Some may see Henin as a dimunitive hero - I look at her as a very ambitious over-achiever and a cautionary tale


Wow, you only post on this board because of Henin, right? :scared:
only 33 posts, and so many about Justine :bowdown:?

supergrunt
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:04 PM
Please, leave Justine alone. She's retired. :yawn:

The Wiliamses Sisters never played Henin at her peak, and Henin at her peak never played Serena or Venus at her peak also.

What a shame. But the semi-final Henin-V.Williams was the closest of their respective peak, I think. Or maybe even Henin-S.Williams in Miami 2007 but not at the same moment unfortunately.

But now, Justine is retired, the sisters are not so they will be always the big favourites for all the titles.

no, Justine played her best tennis at the USO, and when Venus and Serena were playing well Justine wasn't playing poorly, she jsut couldn't compete.

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:16 PM
no, Justine played her best tennis at the USO, and when Venus and Serena were playing well Justine wasn't playing poorly, she jsut couldn't compete.

I don't know how a Serena fan can talk about Justine's level in 2007, you don't wanna forget this year, cause as far as I remember, she beat Serena 3 times during Majors, the last meeting in 2007, she wiped her ass before all her family, seriously no need to argue, Justine in 2007 was clearly better than Serena, and I don't know why you're saying Justine couldn't compete, back in 2002, I agree, but Justine wasn't at her peak, she wasn't N1, she had 0 Slams.

supergrunt
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:17 PM
Hmmm..just a comment:Bringing up that Serena fat and out of shape or that Venus was huffing and puffing after ONE set...I'd rather not bring these up as excuses. Not a compliment to either sister. How's this possible as profesional athlete?!

So better leave that alone.

so what was Justine's excuse for four years? simply not good enough?

supergrunt
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:22 PM
I don't know how a Serena fan can talk about Justine's level in 2007, you don't wanna forget this year, cause as far as I remember, she beat Serena 3 times during Majors, the last meeting in 2007, she wiped her ass before all her family, seriously no need to argue, Justine in 2007 was clearly better than Serena, and I don't know why you're saying Justine couldn't compete, back in 2002, I agree, but Justine wasn't at her peak, she wasn't N1, she had 0 Slams.

Jusitne fans say that Henin wasn't at her best at the USO to piss off Williams sisters fans, and they can't handle the fact that jh played her best and still couldn't whoop a williams sisters' ass. I've seen her play before. I'm over 07 becasue if I recall correctly, Serena couldn't even hit a backhand in the 3rd set of that wimbledon match, and before that point, Justine had never beaten either williams sister off of clay. Justine was def. better than venus and serena for ONE year, a year in which neither venus or serena were playing there best. If I recall correctly, serena kicked justines butt at Miami last year, were she was finally fit and striking the ball well... and then justine got scared a quit- so, really no argument.

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:28 PM
Jusitne fans say that Henin wasn't at her best at the USO to piss off Williams sisters fans. I've seen her play before. If I recall correctly, Serena couldn't even hit a backhand in the 3rd set of that wimbledon match, and before that point, Justine had never beaten either williams sister off of clay. Justine was def. better than venus and serena for ONE year, and year in which neither venus or serena were playing there best. If I recall correctly, serena kicked justines butt at Miami last year, were she was finally fit and striking the ball well... so, really no argument.

They weren't playing their best, but they were good, I mean, the same year, Venus and Serena won a Major. Venus played an awesome match during US Open SF. But I agree, Serena wasn't fit enough to compete against Henin but at least, Henin never kicked her ass easily, but Serena did when Henin wasn't motivated enough. Serena is def. a bigger match player than Henin.

supergrunt
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:33 PM
so what, Federer played a great match @ wimbledon last year, couldn't beat nadal once, and won a major.. but curiously, makes Nadal the player of '08, not the better palyer

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:38 PM
so what, Federer played a great match @ wimbledon last year, couldn't beat nadal once, and won a major.. but curiously, makes Nadal the player of '08, not the better palyer

Yeah, you right, I never said Henin was a better player than Serena, don't think she is, but I think she is better than Vee right now.

bandabou
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:42 PM
I don't know how a Serena fan can talk about Justine's level in 2007, you don't wanna forget this year, cause as far as I remember, she beat Serena 3 times during Majors, the last meeting in 2007, she wiped her ass before all her family, seriously no need to argue, Justine in 2007 was clearly better than Serena, and I don't know why you're saying Justine couldn't compete, back in 2002, I agree, but Justine wasn't at her peak, she wasn't N1, she had 0 Slams.

And not just Serena...Maria herself didn't stand much chance against Juju in 2007 no?!

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:46 PM
And not just Serena...Maria herself didn't stand much chance against Juju in 2007 no?!

Wait, wanna know ur opinion? do you think Serena could stand much chance against Sharapova during OZ 2008?

CoolDude7
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:54 PM
Yeah, you right, I never said Henin was a better player than Serena, don't think she is, but I think she is better than Vee right now.

Venus isn't a good match up for Hen.. so you may as well go back to serena..

But obviously serena couldn't hit a backhand in 07. That was the first time justine had beaten serena outside of clay(that says it all)

It's silly to claim they were playing at their peaks in 07 when they've had better matches in the past.

bandabou
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:59 PM
Wait, wanna know ur opinion? do you think Serena could stand much chance against Sharapova during OZ 2008?

Oh now we switch to 2008?! Ok..Maria beat Justine 6-4 6-0, Serena beat Justine what 6-2 6-1 or 0?!

Answering your question...I think Serena would've stand a better chance than Maria did in ' 07 at the same Oz open. Agreed?

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 12th, 2009, 01:06 PM
Venus isn't a good match up for Hen.. so you may as well go back to serena..

But obviously serena couldn't hit a backhand in 07. That was the first time justine had beaten serena outside of clay(that says it all)

It's silly to claim they were playing at their peaks in 07 when they've had better matches in the past.

I never said that, I just said the same year, Serena and Venus won a Slam, they were playing well, not at their peak.

Oh now we switch to 2008?! Ok..Maria beat Justine 6-4 6-0, Serena beat Justine what 6-2 6-1 or 0?!

Answering your question...I think Serena would've stand a better chance than Maria did in ' 07 at the same Oz open. Agreed?

:lol: :lol: :lol: Agreed, and I think Maria would've stand a better chance against Henin than Serena did.

bandabou
Jan 12th, 2009, 01:14 PM
I never said that, I just said the same year, Serena and Venus won a Slam, they were playing well, not at their peak.



:lol: :lol: :lol: Agreed, and I think Maria would've stand a better chance against Henin than Serena did.

In ' 07?! :lol: Maybe... although Serena DID beat Justine in ' 07!
And that ' 07 oz open final wasn't a pretty sight. ;)

Bijoux0021
Jan 12th, 2009, 01:38 PM
Maybe i should have put my words differently, but maybe if you read my second post on the last page you understand more of what i mean.
What i wanna see is fight and desire to win from the others! I want them to prove themselves by beating the best and rise to the occasion. I want to see newcomers that make a breakthrough and i wanna see topplayers showing up in excellent form. Beat the best and win this slam, i don't want a repeat like the usopen or YEC. I don't want them to roll over and hand this slam to them, i want the new generation to step up and take it with quality play! Cause we all know venus and serena will definetly bring a certain level(since they are both incredible champions)
BUT(here's my point), I say this because i truly believe they have a very good chance to beat them because i found the quality of the WS's play not incredible, at the end of last year. It was definetly good but not the same level as maria showed at AO and Henin in 2007.(and that's why im sad we're missing such great players in the fields now) I wanna see people rising to the occasion at this year's australian open. I just have no clue who's it gonna be.
That's the point i'm making. I don't want the others to roll over and hand it to them.


And about elena: i'll already be happy if she finally goes past the 4th round here and shows a fight. :0

DragonFlame's Translation: "I don't want Venus or Serena to win any more Grand Slams."

By they way, I don't remember JJ rolling over and handing Serena last year's USO title, nor did she roll over and hand Venus the YEC. JJ fought very hard and just was not good enough to win.

Bijoux0021
Jan 12th, 2009, 02:15 PM
I completely disagree Dragonflame.

You cite Justine beating the sisters back-to-back as a breathtaking feat - but it's a little unfair seeing as it's a feat that neither sister could hope to emulate. :rolleyes: You hold them up as the standard, even while suggesting that when they beat others, it's just 'not as good.':confused:

Yeah...Okay.

Regarding Justine's '07 USO. She played extremely well and was a deserving winner. But you can also at least admit that she beat an overweight, out-of-shape and (admittedly) petulant Serena who was not physically fit, match-fit or anywhere near her best; and a Venus who had finally put enough meat on her bones so that she didn't look like a walking skeleton, who showed instances of dazzling tennis throughout the tournament - but was not at full strength.

Against Henin, Venus was huffing and puffing towards the middle of the first set, visibly lost power on her serve, and received treatment from her trainer for dizziness and weakness. The sad part is that despite a sluggish, lacklustre start (reminiscent of her start against Jankovic in the quarters), she started to turn the match around. She won the most spectacular rally of the entire tournament against Henin in the first set, by utterly out-volleying her in every respect - which, would normally signal the beginning of the end for her opponent.

But instead of raising her level and going in for the kill, something very strange happened. She could hardly breathe, her serves were incredibly weak (often barely even reaching the net) - and she proceeded to lose the match. Sure, Venus fought very hard, and acquitted herself well under the circumstances. But to claim that a player who is heavily huffing and puffing, who can barely get a first serve over the net, and who overtly states that they feel as if they have 'vertigo' and needs assistance from their trainer - was somehow "at their very best" - is completely delusional.

But hey.

At least she struggled on anyway and was willing to face defeat - which is far more than Justine ever did against Mauresmo when she 'felt sick to her stomach'. :o) Earlier in the season Venus had a similar encounter with Chakvadatze where you could actually see her physically wilt in the match, so it was an on-going problem.

After the USO loss, Venus checked into a prestigious sports clinic, was diagnosed with serious anaemia, was given medication and placed on a special diet. To this day, she has to regulate her aneamia.

But *surprise, surprise* dedicated Henin fan that you are - of course you don't want to "discuss that." :rolleyes:

It's funny how Henin's mystery virus elicits sympathy and is taken quite seriously - nothing wrong with that - yet commentators and many fans will never give the Williams sisters any slack for injury, even if they're rolling around on the court, clutching their leg, crying in pain. ('Cos Dani Hantuchova? Was robbed!)

They simply refuse to acknowledge that Venus and Serena are human just like any other player - that they can get genuinely hurt and sick, feel pain and that it may adversely affect their performance.

At Wimbledon '03 Venus plays on injured abs in the semis against Clijsters. She pulls up short, winces, turns grey and looks like she's about to pass out - but that was only because Clijsters was taking *totally* taking it to the faker. And those 70 mile-an-hour lollipops she was spinning in and the way she avoided hitting a smash was totally characteristic of the way that a woman with the fastest serve ever, would normally play. Fortunately the pain killers kick in and she wins the match. Strained or torn Abs? What abs? Fake!

Kim was sooo winning that match!

In '04 Serena had freakin'knee surgery, came back and instantly won Miami. She then battled to the finals of Wimbledon (after struggling past Mauresmo - a player that she rarely has any problems with.) She moves awkwardly and slices her forehand only to lose the finals - and it's a sign that Maria is just too good and is the new Queen of Wimbledon. Knee surgery? What knee! Who cares!

Maria rules!

At the USO semi in '07, Venus physically implodes against Justine. She admits that she was dizzy, losing strength and sick to her stomach. Oracene books her into a clinic - but hey let's just totally ignore that, cos...

Henin ruled! :rolleyes:

Henin has a mystery virus? Henin has gastro and has to retire from the match? Poor Henin.
Mauresmo has a bad back/appendicitis? Poor Amelie.
Davenport has a bad foot/back? Poor Lindsay.
Hingis has a bad foot? Poor Hingis.
Clijsters has a bad wrist? Poor Kimmie.
Capriati has a bad shoulder? Too bad for her.
Sharapova's shoulder gets operated on? Get well soon Masha.
JJ has an extended knee/the flu/allergies/an eyelash in her eye/needs new underwear/wants the plastic bag moved off the court? Oh JJ! *cue violins*

But for the Williams sisters? Nada. Because for some reason, they aren't even human never have health issues, and they certainly don't get hurt - and when they say they're hurt, well then they're just lying.
:worship::worship::worship::worship:

GREAT post!

CoolDude7
Jan 12th, 2009, 02:26 PM
I never said that, I just said the same year, Serena and Venus won a Slam, they were playing well, not at their peak.



:lol: :lol: :lol: Agreed, and I think Maria would've stand a better chance against Henin than Serena did.

Justine was a slam holder and just won the season ending championships before serena trashed her what was it 6-0 6-1)? SO i guess justine was playing good tennis then?

Every match is a new day, just because u win something doesn't mean u can't show up for the next match.

Justine was finally able to beat WS off clay in 07 WE GET IT!AGAIN it's silly to say U.S. WAS THEIR BEST MATCH UPS just because justine finally won off clay.

vwfan
Jan 12th, 2009, 02:37 PM
I completely disagree Dragonflame.

You cite Justine beating the sisters back-to-back as a breathtaking feat - but it's a little unfair seeing as it's a feat that neither sister could hope to emulate. :rolleyes: You hold them up as the standard, even while suggesting that when they beat others, it's just 'not as good.':confused:

Yeah...Okay.

Regarding Justine's '07 USO. She played extremely well and was a deserving winner. But you can also at least admit that she beat an overweight, out-of-shape and (admittedly) petulant Serena who was not physically fit, match-fit or anywhere near her best; and a Venus who had finally put enough meat on her bones so that she didn't look like a walking skeleton, who showed instances of dazzling tennis throughout the tournament - but was not at full strength.

Against Henin, Venus was huffing and puffing towards the middle of the first set, visibly lost power on her serve, and received treatment from her trainer for dizziness and weakness. The sad part is that despite a sluggish, lacklustre start (reminiscent of her start against Jankovic in the quarters), she started to turn the match around. She won the most spectacular rally of the entire tournament against Henin in the first set, by utterly out-volleying her in every respect - which, would normally signal the beginning of the end for her opponent.

But instead of raising her level and going in for the kill, something very strange happened. She could hardly breathe, her serves were incredibly weak (often barely even reaching the net) - and she proceeded to lose the match. Sure, Venus fought very hard, and acquitted herself well under the circumstances. But to claim that a player who is heavily huffing and puffing, who can barely get a first serve over the net, and who overtly states that they feel as if they have 'vertigo' and needs assistance from their trainer - was somehow "at their very best" - is completely delusional.

But hey.

At least she struggled on anyway and was willing to face defeat - which is far more than Justine ever did against Mauresmo when she 'felt sick to her stomach'. :o) Earlier in the season Venus had a similar encounter with Chakvadatze where you could actually see her physically wilt in the match, so it was an on-going problem.

After the USO loss, Venus checked into a prestigious sports clinic, was diagnosed with serious anaemia, was given medication and placed on a special diet. To this day, she has to regulate her aneamia.

But *surprise, surprise* dedicated Henin fan that you are - of course you don't want to "discuss that." :rolleyes:

It's funny how Henin's mystery virus elicits sympathy and is taken quite seriously - nothing wrong with that - yet commentators and many fans will never give the Williams sisters any slack for injury, even if they're rolling around on the court, clutching their leg, crying in pain. ('Cos Dani Hantuchova? Was robbed!)

They simply refuse to acknowledge that Venus and Serena are human just like any other player - that they can get genuinely hurt and sick, feel pain and that it may adversely affect their performance.

At Wimbledon '03 Venus plays on injured abs in the semis against Clijsters. She pulls up short, winces, turns grey and looks like she's about to pass out - but that was only because Clijsters was taking *totally* taking it to the faker. And those 70 mile-an-hour lollipops she was spinning in and the way she avoided hitting a smash was totally characteristic of the way that a woman with the fastest serve ever, would normally play. Fortunately the pain killers kick in and she wins the match. Strained or torn Abs? What abs? Fake!

Kim was sooo winning that match!

In '04 Serena had freakin'knee surgery, came back and instantly won Miami. She then battled to the finals of Wimbledon (after struggling past Mauresmo - a player that she rarely has any problems with.) She moves awkwardly and slices her forehand only to lose the finals - and it's a sign that Maria is just too good and is the new Queen of Wimbledon. Knee surgery? What knee! Who cares!

Maria rules!

At the USO semi in '07, Venus physically implodes against Justine. She admits that she was dizzy, losing strength and sick to her stomach. Oracene books her into a clinic - but hey let's just totally ignore that, cos...

Henin ruled! :rolleyes:

Henin has a mystery virus? Henin has gastro and has to retire from the match? Poor Henin.
Mauresmo has a bad back/appendicitis? Poor Amelie.
Davenport has a bad foot/back? Poor Lindsay.
Hingis has a bad foot? Poor Hingis.
Clijsters has a bad wrist? Poor Kimmie.
Capriati has a bad shoulder? Too bad for her.
Sharapova's shoulder gets operated on? Get well soon Masha.
JJ has an extended knee/the flu/allergies/an eyelash in her eye/needs new underwear/wants the plastic bag moved off the court? Oh JJ! *cue violins*

But for the Williams sisters? Nada. Because for some reason, they aren't even human never have health issues, and they certainly don't get hurt - and when they say they're hurt, well then they're just lying.One Word: PREACH!:worship:

vwfan
Jan 12th, 2009, 02:47 PM
Please, leave Justine alone. She's retired. :yawn:

The Wiliamses Sisters never played Henin at her peak, and Henin at her peak never played Serena or Venus at her peak also.

What a shame. But the semi-final Henin-V.Williams was the closest of their respective peak, I think. Or maybe even Henin-S.Williams in Miami 2007 but not at the same moment unfortunately.

But now, Justine is retired, the sisters are not so they will be always the big favourites for all the titles.Wasn't 2007 her peak?

Perhaps the U.S. Open SF VW v. JH was a good example of their both playing well, but Venus was not at her peak. Venus at her peak beat Justine, yielding no more than five or six games a match.

Cp6uja
Jan 12th, 2009, 02:51 PM
Sharapova withdraws from AO/09 dont have anything with sisters chances to reach Australian Open 2009 title, so 200 replies for thread like this is too much. Without matches and trainings almost 6 months Maria is not serious contender for this slam if she commit to Main Draw. Last season both sisters lose theirs AO QF matches against Serbs and that will be theirs biggest chalenge this year. Also dont forget about Safina, Dementieva and Kuznetsova which has "historical" chance to reach at least career 1st AO semifinal, if not more.

Worst scenario for sisters chances to reach AO title this year is if draw put both Williamses in same quarter.

vwfan
Jan 12th, 2009, 02:52 PM
Yeah, you right, I never said Henin was a better player than Serena, don't think she is, but I think she is better than Vee right now.Really?! They played tennis during the same generation. Let's not include certain years and forget about others (cause if that's the case, I am definitely forgeting about 2004 and 2006 in Venus' career).

Over the course of their careers, Venus is 7-2 against JH. before slam, after slam, blah, blah, blah. :rolleyes:

SAEKeithSerena
Jan 12th, 2009, 03:18 PM
yes, thank god sharapova withdrew so a Williams sister can finally win


FINALLY? are you serious? do you remember the slaughter that was serena in the final 2 years ago dear?:lol:

serenafan08
Jan 12th, 2009, 03:52 PM
I think everyone knows that Serena and Venus couldn't care less if Maria was in the draw or not. They see it like this - they have to win seven matches to win the tournament; it doesn't matter who they play. Everyone else spends so much time whining about who's in who's quarter, whereas the Williams sisters just play tennis. If they win, great. If not, then move onto the next tournament.

serenafan08
Jan 12th, 2009, 03:55 PM
I completely disagree Dragonflame.

You cite Justine beating the sisters back-to-back as a breathtaking feat - but it's a little unfair seeing as it's a feat that neither sister could hope to emulate. :rolleyes: You hold them up as the standard, even while suggesting that when they beat others, it's just 'not as good.':confused:

Yeah...Okay.

Regarding Justine's '07 USO. She played extremely well and was a deserving winner. But you can also at least admit that she beat an overweight, out-of-shape and (admittedly) petulant Serena who was not physically fit, match-fit or anywhere near her best; and a Venus who had finally put enough meat on her bones so that she didn't look like a walking skeleton, who showed instances of dazzling tennis throughout the tournament - but was not at full strength.

Against Henin, Venus was huffing and puffing towards the middle of the first set, visibly lost power on her serve, and received treatment from her trainer for dizziness and weakness. The sad part is that despite a sluggish, lacklustre start (reminiscent of her start against Jankovic in the quarters), she started to turn the match around. She won the most spectacular rally of the entire tournament against Henin in the first set, by utterly out-volleying her in every respect - which, would normally signal the beginning of the end for her opponent.

But instead of raising her level and going in for the kill, something very strange happened. She could hardly breathe, her serves were incredibly weak (often barely even reaching the net) - and she proceeded to lose the match. Sure, Venus fought very hard, and acquitted herself well under the circumstances. But to claim that a player who is heavily huffing and puffing, who can barely get a first serve over the net, and who overtly states that they feel as if they have 'vertigo' and needs assistance from their trainer - was somehow "at their very best" - is completely delusional.

But hey.

At least she struggled on anyway and was willing to face defeat - which is far more than Justine ever did against Mauresmo when she 'felt sick to her stomach'. :o) Earlier in the season Venus had a similar encounter with Chakvadatze where you could actually see her physically wilt in the match, so it was an on-going problem.

After the USO loss, Venus checked into a prestigious sports clinic, was diagnosed with serious anaemia, was given medication and placed on a special diet. To this day, she has to regulate her aneamia.

But *surprise, surprise* dedicated Henin fan that you are - of course you don't want to "discuss that." :rolleyes:

It's funny how Henin's mystery virus elicits sympathy and is taken quite seriously - nothing wrong with that - yet commentators and many fans will never give the Williams sisters any slack for injury, even if they're rolling around on the court, clutching their leg, crying in pain. ('Cos Dani Hantuchova? Was robbed!)

They simply refuse to acknowledge that Venus and Serena are human just like any other player - that they can get genuinely hurt and sick, feel pain and that it may adversely affect their performance.

At Wimbledon '03 Venus plays on injured abs in the semis against Clijsters. She pulls up short, winces, turns grey and looks like she's about to pass out - but that was only because Clijsters was taking *totally* taking it to the faker. And those 70 mile-an-hour lollipops she was spinning in and the way she avoided hitting a smash was totally characteristic of the way that a woman with the fastest serve ever, would normally play. Fortunately the pain killers kick in and she wins the match. Strained or torn Abs? What abs? Fake!

Kim was sooo winning that match!

In '04 Serena had freakin'knee surgery, came back and instantly won Miami. She then battled to the finals of Wimbledon (after struggling past Mauresmo - a player that she rarely has any problems with.) She moves awkwardly and slices her forehand only to lose the finals - and it's a sign that Maria is just too good and is the new Queen of Wimbledon. Knee surgery? What knee! Who cares!

Maria rules!

At the USO semi in '07, Venus physically implodes against Justine. She admits that she was dizzy, losing strength and sick to her stomach. Oracene books her into a clinic - but hey let's just totally ignore that, cos...

Henin ruled! :rolleyes:

Henin has a mystery virus? Henin has gastro and has to retire from the match? Poor Henin.
Mauresmo has a bad back/appendicitis? Poor Amelie.
Davenport has a bad foot/back? Poor Lindsay.
Hingis has a bad foot? Poor Hingis.
Clijsters has a bad wrist? Poor Kimmie.
Capriati has a bad shoulder? Too bad for her.
Sharapova's shoulder gets operated on? Get well soon Masha.
JJ has an extended knee/the flu/allergies/an eyelash in her eye/needs new underwear/wants the plastic bag moved off the court? Oh JJ! *cue violins*

But for the Williams sisters? Nada. Because for some reason, they aren't even human never have health issues, and they certainly don't get hurt - and when they say they're hurt, well then they're just lying.

If I went to a Baptist church, I would say, "WWWEEEELLLLLL!" Terrific post. :yeah:

Bijoux0021
Jan 12th, 2009, 04:03 PM
FINALLY? are you serious? do you remember the slaughter that was serena in the final 2 years ago dear?:lol:
He was being sarcastic.

littlebin
Jan 12th, 2009, 04:11 PM
When Williams lose, they always find all kind of excuses:overweight, out-of-shape,petulant, not at peak, could hardly breathe, serves were incredibly weak.

I am glad to see that.


I completely disagree Dragonflame.

You cite Justine beating the sisters back-to-back as a breathtaking feat - but it's a little unfair seeing as it's a feat that neither sister could hope to emulate. :rolleyes: You hold them up as the standard, even while suggesting that when they beat others, it's just 'not as good.':confused:

Yeah...Okay.

Regarding Justine's '07 USO. She played extremely well and was a deserving winner. But you can also at least admit that she beat an overweight, out-of-shape and (admittedly) petulant Serena who was not physically fit, match-fit or anywhere near her best; and a Venus who had finally put enough meat on her bones so that she didn't look like a walking skeleton, who showed instances of dazzling tennis throughout the tournament - but was not at full strength.

Against Henin, Venus was huffing and puffing towards the middle of the first set, visibly lost power on her serve, and received treatment from her trainer for dizziness and weakness. The sad part is that despite a sluggish, lacklustre start (reminiscent of her start against Jankovic in the quarters), she started to turn the match around. She won the most spectacular rally of the entire tournament against Henin in the first set, by utterly out-volleying her in every respect - which, would normally signal the beginning of the end for her opponent.

But instead of raising her level and going in for the kill, something very strange happened. She could hardly breathe, her serves were incredibly weak (often barely even reaching the net) - and she proceeded to lose the match. Sure, Venus fought very hard, and acquitted herself well under the circumstances. But to claim that a player who is heavily huffing and puffing, who can barely get a first serve over the net, and who overtly states that they feel as if they have 'vertigo' and needs assistance from their trainer - was somehow "at their very best" - is completely delusional.

But hey.

At least she struggled on anyway and was willing to face defeat - which is far more than Justine ever did against Mauresmo when she 'felt sick to her stomach'. :o) Earlier in the season Venus had a similar encounter with Chakvadatze where you could actually see her physically wilt in the match, so it was an on-going problem.

After the USO loss, Venus checked into a prestigious sports clinic, was diagnosed with serious anaemia, was given medication and placed on a special diet. To this day, she has to regulate her aneamia.

But *surprise, surprise* dedicated Henin fan that you are - of course you don't want to "discuss that." :rolleyes:

It's funny how Henin's mystery virus elicits sympathy and is taken quite seriously - nothing wrong with that - yet commentators and many fans will never give the Williams sisters any slack for injury, even if they're rolling around on the court, clutching their leg, crying in pain. ('Cos Dani Hantuchova? Was robbed!)

They simply refuse to acknowledge that Venus and Serena are human just like any other player - that they can get genuinely hurt and sick, feel pain and that it may adversely affect their performance.

At Wimbledon '03 Venus plays on injured abs in the semis against Clijsters. She pulls up short, winces, turns grey and looks like she's about to pass out - but that was only because Clijsters was taking *totally* taking it to the faker. And those 70 mile-an-hour lollipops she was spinning in and the way she avoided hitting a smash was totally characteristic of the way that a woman with the fastest serve ever, would normally play. Fortunately the pain killers kick in and she wins the match. Strained or torn Abs? What abs? Fake!

Kim was sooo winning that match!

In '04 Serena had freakin'knee surgery, came back and instantly won Miami. She then battled to the finals of Wimbledon (after struggling past Mauresmo - a player that she rarely has any problems with.) She moves awkwardly and slices her forehand only to lose the finals - and it's a sign that Maria is just too good and is the new Queen of Wimbledon. Knee surgery? What knee! Who cares!

Maria rules!

At the USO semi in '07, Venus physically implodes against Justine. She admits that she was dizzy, losing strength and sick to her stomach. Oracene books her into a clinic - but hey let's just totally ignore that, cos...

Henin ruled! :rolleyes:

Henin has a mystery virus? Henin has gastro and has to retire from the match? Poor Henin.
Mauresmo has a bad back/appendicitis? Poor Amelie.
Davenport has a bad foot/back? Poor Lindsay.
Hingis has a bad foot? Poor Hingis.
Clijsters has a bad wrist? Poor Kimmie.
Capriati has a bad shoulder? Too bad for her.
Sharapova's shoulder gets operated on? Get well soon Masha.
JJ has an extended knee/the flu/allergies/an eyelash in her eye/needs new underwear/wants the plastic bag moved off the court? Oh JJ! *cue violins*

But for the Williams sisters? Nada. Because for some reason, they aren't even human never have health issues, and they certainly don't get hurt - and when they say they're hurt, well then they're just lying.

rjd1111
Jan 12th, 2009, 04:43 PM
If A WS wins the AO I don't think Pova being

in or out Of it would make much difference.

especially in Serena's case.

shap_half
Jan 12th, 2009, 05:01 PM
Let's go JJ and Elena D!

Diesel
Jan 12th, 2009, 05:55 PM
I'm sure Serena is breathing a sigh of relief.

supergrunt
Jan 12th, 2009, 06:19 PM
FINALLY? are you serious? do you remember the slaughter that was serena in the final 2 years ago dear?:lol:

I was being sarcastic. :lol:

Peetz
Jan 12th, 2009, 06:52 PM
yes, thank god sharapova withdrew so a Williams sister can finally win


LOL yes as sharapova always has been suuuuch a big threat to venus...

V's a star
Jan 12th, 2009, 07:01 PM
People need to stop posting in this thread. Mashafaaaaaan is obviosly rely bored without a player to watch. so he/she is baiting people with meaninless threads with titles like "a win for WS" wat a crock of shit!

serenus_2k8
Jan 15th, 2009, 04:14 PM
What about Elena?

Yeah her track record would certainly suggest this titles hers :rolleyes:

Craig.
Jan 15th, 2009, 07:57 PM
LOL yes as sharapova always has been suuuuch a big threat to venus...

She leads 3-2 in the head-to-head. :weirdo:

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 15th, 2009, 08:19 PM
Yep

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 29th, 2009, 03:29 AM
What about Elena?

She is a choker, and OBVIOUSLY A win for WS Serena again.

mdterp01
Jan 29th, 2009, 03:38 AM
Ummmm...Aussie Open 2007 anyone?? Umm...how many times has Serena beaten Maria lately? Yeah...sure.

doni1212
Jan 29th, 2009, 03:43 AM
She is a choker, and OBVIOUSLY A win for WS Serena again.

Please don't tell me you think she choked this match away. She was playing fine. Serena was just playing better, ;)

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 29th, 2009, 03:44 AM
Please don't tell me you think she choked this match away. She was playing fine. Serena was just playing better, ;)

Whatever she sucks:lol:

DemWilliamsGulls
Jan 29th, 2009, 03:55 AM
Hell Sharapova loses when she's IN...I cant think of the last time she even beat a williams sister...

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 29th, 2009, 03:58 AM
Hell Sharapova loses when she's IN...I cant think of the last time she even beat a williams sister...

Miami 2007:wavey: