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Marcell
Jan 9th, 2009, 03:57 PM
Jankovic struggles for rhythm

World No.1 Jelena Jankovic admits she may not have time to adapt to her new physique before the Australian Open after beginning her preparations with a below-par performance in a straight-set defeats by Venus Williams at the JB Group Classic on Thursday.

Jankovic, 23, struggled to find any rhythm in her season debut against the Wimbledon champion who hit the ground running and eased to a 6-2 6-2 win in 74 minutes as both players kicked off their warm-ups for the first Grand Slam of the year.

And with action in Melbourne beginning in less than two weeks Jankovic, who won a world-leading 65 games last season, is confident she can improve.

However, she admitted to finding it difficult to come terms with her larger frame after undergoing a busy off-season since losing to Williams at the season-ending Tour Championships in November.

"I struggled to get into the match, I felt very slow and I didn't get my rhythm but it is the first match of the season so I cannot expect myself to play the best tennis of my life, so I look forward to playing as many matches as possible and trying to get in form because I haven't played a match in two months," said Jankovic.

"I just came off training and it's so difficult to get back to the playing and finding the rhythm and consistency."

"I have also got a little bit bigger, I have more kilos than I used to have so it is a little bit different and I am not used to that at the moment, so it will take time for me to get used to my new body, the stronger Jelena."

World No.6 Williams stormed into a 4-0 lead with back-to-back breaks of the Jankovic serve to firmly take control of the first set.

The Serbian looked to have created a chance to pull a break back in a mammoth game six but was frustratingly unable to convert four opportunities as she missed several easy chances and Williams deservedly wrapped up the opening set in 41 minutes.

The 28-year-old American established a 3-1 lead in the second with a break in the third game before another break in game seven, backed by her powerful serve and accurate and impressive groundstrokes, saw Williams wrap up a comfortable and morale-boosting victory.

"I am feeling fresh after my break, I enjoyed my break and it was hard to come back to practice, but I did and I did a good job and hopefully this result shows that, but now I want to take this form into the rest of the year," said Williams.

"I am not surprised how I came back, I have always been good off the jump so that's the way I have played throughout my career, I have never played any big warm-up events. I have always been able to play well when I entered the big tournaments."

Williams' win kept Team Americas alive in the revamped Fed Ex Cup-style tournament following Wednesday's doubles defeat by Jankovic's Team Europe, and they secured a place in the final against Vera Zvonareva's Team Russia after Argentina's Gisela Dulko outlasted Hungary's Agnes Szavay 6-4 6-7 (8-10) 6-3.

SvetaKuzzy
Jan 9th, 2009, 03:59 PM
lollll

hahahahahahahahaha:haha:

its like she just put it on overnight and woke up with a bicep!

drake3781
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:01 PM
That is ridiculous. :rolleyes:

brent-o
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:02 PM
:lol: That conjures up an image for me of Jelena standing in front of a mirror looking at herself and saying "What are these muscles? Hmm, curious. I must proceed with caution when wielding these dangerous weapons."

frenchie
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:02 PM
she sounds like she's the new Bartoli!

Roookie
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:07 PM
Adje Jelena, win the Australian Open!. :bounce:

Volcana
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:07 PM
It seven weeks since the end of the YEC. She could have put on quite a bit of weight in that amount of time, but not that much muscle. Not without steroids anyway. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. I think, at OZ, we'll see a slower Jankovic, but not one that hits appreciably harder. It's not like she was overweight or something. Muscle is harder to build than fat is to lose.

Lulu.
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:10 PM
How ridiculous. :lol:

SvetaKuzzy
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:11 PM
http://nickthelaw.com/images/muscle-woman.jpg

RenaSlam.
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:19 PM
LOL :lol:

volta
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:21 PM
lmao oh i love u Jelena :haha:

hotandspicey
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:21 PM
http://nickthelaw.com/images/muscle-woman.jpg


:lol: That's scary!

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:22 PM
she said before reaching the QF of AO

Nikkiri
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:23 PM
:haha:

Vlover
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:30 PM
OMG! I thought all this hard training and body building was to slay all competition.:tape: What a lame excuse.:help:

InsideOut.
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:31 PM
She didn't get stronger. Her first serve was slower than most Venus second serves and her forehand was a puffball. Backhand was the same but less consistent. And then she's a slowpoke on court now. :rolleyes:

http://nickthelaw.com/images/muscle-woman.jpg

ew...:lol::haha:

thegreendestiny
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:35 PM
i knew she would this after the recent venus massacre. i just knew it...

V's a star
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:44 PM
She jus needs not be numba 1!!! oh well the season has finally started it will happen soon enough :wavey:

starin
Jan 9th, 2009, 05:03 PM
maybe she spent too much time in the gym and not enough on court? :shrug:
Can't tell if she gained muscle or fat though. Anyways this is just an exo, when there's more pressure and more on the line i'm sure she'll find her legs respond much better.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 9th, 2009, 05:07 PM
How lame :o This woman is a joke

Adrian1092
Jan 9th, 2009, 05:07 PM
:rolls: Nice excuse JJ

Tennisation
Jan 9th, 2009, 05:16 PM
Justine never complained about having to adjust to her new body when she bulked up

Ciarán
Jan 9th, 2009, 05:20 PM
:rolleyes:

CJ07
Jan 9th, 2009, 05:32 PM
Justine never complained about having to adjust to her new body when she bulked up
Except when she retired.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 9th, 2009, 05:47 PM
She is just thinking ahead and trying to make excuses as she knows she is going to be outplayed and outclassed at AO

ps:- Atleast wait till you lose to some anonymous player and then blame it on lucky shots :shrug: But I guess she has to first prove herself by winning something mentionable [which she has misrably failed at] before making that excuse

vwfan
Jan 9th, 2009, 05:48 PM
Jelena. You can always count on some drama with her.

MaBaker
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:03 PM
Haters :rolleyes:
Win them all :angel:

Valanga
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:15 PM
In fact, I am sooooo upset to see Jankovic played like this these two days...
honestly I thought Peak Brie would beat her

homogenius
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:15 PM
She is just thinking ahead and trying to make excuses as she knows she is going to be outplayed and outclassed at AO

ps:- Atleast wait till you lose to some anonymous player and then blame it on lucky shots :shrug: But I guess she has to first prove herself by winning something mentionable [which she has misrably failed at] before making that excuse

Serena would sue her.She has copyrights on this one.

Serenita
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:15 PM
http://nickthelaw.com/images/muscle-woman.jpg

:haha:

danieln1
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:18 PM
Another year, another complaint by Jankovic... Last year in January was just the same, career threatening injury, "i´ll die because i´m taking too much medicine", this girl will never change as it seems
Let´s see which excuse she´ll have when she exits the Australian Open!

MaBaker
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:20 PM
honestly I thought Peak Brie would beat her

Brie in a slump would beat her now :weirdo: But she'll be ready for AO :armed:

woosey
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:20 PM
drama

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:25 PM
Drama Queen:o

laurie
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:33 PM
:D :lol:

What's Weird Al up to here?

I need to find some photos of this exo to see how she looks.

I'm thinking weight lifter almost after those comments.

ms. double fault
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:36 PM
nice excuse for being crashed by a better player :lol:

2Black
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:39 PM
I'm convinced Jankovic likes to hear herself talk lol

Borislove
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:56 PM
Why are you laughing? Did you watch the match? She was really too slow for her standarts. She wasn't that slow even when she had a knee injury this summer. She really needs to adapt

AcesHigh
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:56 PM
Lame. Anyway, she'll be ready for AO... might even win it and then it'll be interesting to hear what she says.

laurie
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:58 PM
Why are you laughing? Did you watch the match? She was really too slow for her standarts. She wasn't that slow even when she had a knee injury this summer. She really needs to adapt

Why are we laughing?

It's bloody obvious! :lol:

Borislove
Jan 9th, 2009, 07:01 PM
Why are we laughing?

It's bloody obvious! :lol:

OK. I can understand you. But hey she really had problems with her speed. Yes, her game was awful in general yesterday. But I think that her movement was her biggest weapon and now she has difficulties with it. So this time she is right when she complains.

DA FOREHAND
Jan 9th, 2009, 07:11 PM
I'm convinced Jankovic likes to hear herself talk lol

with a voice like that she should be writing shit down!:tape::help:

manu32
Jan 9th, 2009, 07:19 PM
ridiculous is an understatment.......

miffedmax
Jan 9th, 2009, 07:24 PM
If she'd used that as an excuse after losing to somebody else, it might have a ring of truth to it.

I know that several years back Lena D.* bulked up her upper body, ostensibly to compete with hard hitters like the WS, Davenport, etc., then rapidly slimmed back down because she felt it interfered with her footwork, speed and rythm. But Lena decided to drop the weight, not because she was losing to Venus, but because she was losing to scrubs.

The problem with JJ's claim is it was just a few weeks ago she was talking about what a big advantage Vee and Ree had because of they're upper body development. And it's not like Vee wasn't already kicking JJ's ass most of the time. Finally, from photos of seen, JJ doesn't look all that much bigger. I believe her when she says she's stepped up her regimen, but it's not like she's gone from a greyhound to have guns like the HMS Rodney or something, either.

* must every one of his post tie to Lena D. somehow, you ask?

Yes.

doni1212
Jan 9th, 2009, 07:27 PM
lollll

hahahahahahahahaha:haha:

its like she just put it on overnight and woke up with a bicep!

That is ridiculous. :rolleyes:

:lol: That conjures up an image for me of Jelena standing in front of a mirror looking at herself and saying "What are these muscles? Hmm, curious. I must proceed with caution when wielding these dangerous weapons."

How ridiculous. :lol:

OMG! I thought all this hard training and body building was to slay all competition.:tape: What a lame excuse.:help:

i knew she would this after the recent venus massacre. i just knew it...

How lame :o This woman is a joke

:rolls: Nice excuse JJ

Justine never complained about having to adjust to her new body when she bulked up

She is just thinking ahead and trying to make excuses as she knows she is going to be outplayed and outclassed at AO

ps:- Atleast wait till you lose to some anonymous player and then blame it on lucky shots :shrug: But I guess she has to first prove herself by winning something mentionable [which she has misrably failed at] before making that excuse

Another year, another complaint by Jankovic... Last year in January was just the same, career threatening injury, "i´ll die because i´m taking too much medicine", this girl will never change as it seems
Let´s see which excuse she´ll have when she exits the Australian Open!

Drama Queen:o

nice excuse for being crashed by a better player :lol:

I'm convinced Jankovic likes to hear herself talk lol

with a voice like that she should be writing shit down!:tape::help:

ridiculous is an understatment.......

Yall pretty much said it, :worship: :rolls:
I guess I was too late, :lol:

Uranium
Jan 9th, 2009, 07:30 PM
:yawn:
Another year, another complaint by Jankovic... Last year in January was just the same, career threatening injury, "i´ll die because i´m taking too much medicine", this girl will never change as it seems
Let´s see which excuse she´ll have when she exits the Australian Open!

:worship:

Vespertine69
Jan 9th, 2009, 07:38 PM
Jelena's not my favourite person on tour, but really I fail to understand why people are so offended by her dramatic persona... why not just accept that she's a bit of a diva and lives in a slighty exaggerated state? She's not harming anyone, or abusing other players in dealing with her strange obsession with minor injuries and physical sensations.

Those of you who are offended/annoyed by her making "excuses" - what do you want her to say or believe? - a player has to find some logic in their losses so that they can try to improve and do better next time - if it helps her to think she's struggling just now because she put on some muscle, then good luck to her. Every player has a mindset to deal with the competitive stresses and peculiar psychological environments they live with, and some will seem more reasonable than others to each of us depending on our own views of the world. Serena, for example, lives in a cocoon where she and Venus are the best in every situation and everyone else is just a less talented distraction - it's a mindset that has brought her loads of success, but it's a really extreme mentality to possess and seems insane to a lot of people.

Personally, I'm not so fond of Serena or Jelena... but there really isn't any need for people to get their knickers in a knot about how they choose to see their matches/careers/games. If a player goes overboard and says something that's really rude or undermining anyone else on a chronic level, then fair enough have a moan about that issue... but it's not reasonable to condemn these players simply because we disagree with the way they see things.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 9th, 2009, 07:55 PM
Yall pretty much said it, :worship: :rolls:
I guess I was too late, :lol:


:awww:

SAEKeithSerena
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:03 PM
absolutely ridiculous

raffles
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:17 PM
Jelena's not my favourite person on tour, but really I fail to understand why people are so offended by her dramatic persona... why not just accept that she's a bit of a diva and lives in a slighty exaggerated state? She's not harming anyone, or abusing other players in dealing with her strange obsession with minor injuries and physical sensations.
I find her highly amusing, I think she adds a bit of personality to the game. I recall an interview with her when she kept going on about how nobody ever asked her about her "perfect hair". I do something wonder if she joking or she is just a little unbalaced.

IceHock
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:25 PM
Alls I know is she adds flavor to the tour so I don't really give a fuck, without her the tour would lose excitement and be even more boring than it already is, people getting mad at her just means she is entertaining because your taking the time to say something about her.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:38 PM
Alls I know is she adds flavor to the tour so I don't really give a fuck, without her the tour would lose excitement and be even more boring than it already is, people getting mad at her just means she is entertaining because your taking the time to say something about her.

wrong person...the serena forum is that way ;)

IceHock
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:42 PM
wrong person...the serena forum is that way ;)


jankovic is getting alot of haters, which only means good things about her, lol i've come to realize the more haters, the more entertaining and good the player is, it's the same way with the williams and a few others.

AcesHigh
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:46 PM
jankovic is getting alot of haters, which only means good things about her, lol i've come to realize the more haters, the more entertaining and good the player is, it's the same way with the williams and a few others.

No....not really. Serena and Sharapova have a lot of haters but they also have the most fans and are superstars outside the sport.

Jankovic has received a lot of negative attention... without so much the positive attention. She doesnt need a bad reputation among fans.

Patrick345
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:47 PM
Jelena's not my favourite person on tour, but really I fail to understand why people are so offended by her dramatic persona... why not just accept that she's a bit of a diva and lives in a slighty exaggerated state? She's not harming anyone, or abusing other players in dealing with her strange obsession with minor injuries and physical sensations.

Those of you who are offended/annoyed by her making "excuses" - what do you want her to say or believe? - a player has to find some logic in their losses so that they can try to improve and do better next time - if it helps her to think she's struggling just now because she put on some muscle, then good luck to her. Every player has a mindset to deal with the competitive stresses and peculiar psychological environments they live with, and some will seem more reasonable than others to each of us depending on our own views of the world. Serena, for example, lives in a cocoon where she and Venus are the best in every situation and everyone else is just a less talented distraction - it's a mindset that has brought her loads of success, but it's a really extreme mentality to possess and seems insane to a lot of people.

Personally, I'm not so fond of Serena or Jelena... but there really isn't any need for people to get their knickers in a knot about how they choose to see their matches/careers/games. If a player goes overboard and says something that's really rude or undermining anyone else on a chronic level, then fair enough have a moan about that issue... but it's not reasonable to condemn these players simply because we disagree with the way they see things.

:worship:

..and at the same time these fans, who bash Jankovic for the way she deals with her losses, will tell EVERYBODY AFTER EVERY MATCH that the Williams sisters lose, that the other player only won, because the Williams sisters didn´t play their best, but they have the audacity to call out others on excuses, when they have a general super excuse for every Williams loss. :lol:

IceHock
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:58 PM
No....not really. Serena and Sharapova have a lot of haters but they also have the most fans and are superstars outside the sport.

Jankovic has received a lot of negative attention... without so much the positive attention. She doesnt need a bad reputation among fans.

That's just because those two are marketable faces of the sport, i'm talking about how she is entertaining on the court and with her excuses and everything. She's getting alot of haters because she is doing good things on the court and with her drama. I stick by what I said because I believe it, she is nothing but good for the sport, the more haters the better your doing, and I stick by that.

Sean.
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:58 PM
:spit: THis rivals lucky shots :haha:

SvetaKuzzy
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:58 PM
:worship:

..and at the same time these fans, who bash Jankovic for the way she deals with her losses, will tell EVERYBODY AFTER EVERY MATCH that the Williams sisters lose, that the other player only won, because the Williams sisters didn´t play their best, but they have the audacity to call out others on excuses, when they have a general super excuse for every Williams loss. :lol:

give an instance where a williams sister has played their best and still lost. if you can't think of one, then it is a valid to use this as an excuse.

However, the same could be said for Jankovic.

So you have to decide whose highest level beats whoms...

However, in this case, Jankovic did not say that she hadn't played her best. She said that she isn't used to her body, which takes the biscuit more than anything v or s has ever said

homogenius
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:59 PM
No....not really. Serena and Sharapova have a lot of haters but they also have the most fans and are superstars outside the sport.

Jankovic has received a lot of negative attention... without so much the positive attention. She doesnt need a bad reputation among fans.

:confused:

Roookie
Jan 9th, 2009, 09:04 PM
succes = hate
beat a Williams Sister = you're GM public enemy no.1

Uranium
Jan 9th, 2009, 09:08 PM
jankovic is getting alot of haters, which only means good things about her, lol i've come to realize the more haters, the more entertaining and good the player is, it's the same way with the williams and a few others.

Entertaining and good? She is soo good that she hasn't won a slam. She is so entertaining with her 50 different injuries and drama antics on court, you are so right.:p

IceHock
Jan 9th, 2009, 09:11 PM
Entertaining and good? She is soo good that she hasn't won a slam. She is so entertaining with her 50 different injuries and drama antics on court, you are so right.:p


Idk if ur joking but I do like you because of Dokic obviously :p but dude cmooooooon, I don't care about if she's won a grand slam or not, yeah it will stop everyone from complaining about her but just because she hasn't won a slam doesn't mean she's not talented or entertaining, you dont need a grand slam to be good at tennis.

Volcana
Jan 9th, 2009, 09:15 PM
It seven weeks since the end of the YEC. She could have put on quite a bit of weight in that amount of time, but not that much muscle. Not without steroids anyway. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. I think, at OZ, we'll see a slower Jankovic, but not one that hits appreciably harder. It's not like she was overweight or something. Muscle is harder to build than fat is to lose.Just to add to my original point, if Jankovic is currently engaged in a muscle building routine, we could see results in February or March. But from mid-November to the beginning of January!?!?

I think not. However, there is something to what she says as well. Muscles need to be trained. If you put on muscle over time, while playing your sport, the additional muscle gets trained gradually. If you put on muscle mass fast, you are essentially adding untrained muscle. It there, but it doesn't know what it doing yet. Which, when you get down to it, is exactly what Jankovic said is currently a problem.

SvetaKuzzy
Jan 9th, 2009, 09:20 PM
Idk if ur joking but I do like you because of Dokic obviously :p but dude cmooooooon, I don't care about if she's won a grand slam or not, yeah it will stop everyone from complaining about her but just because she hasn't won a slam doesn't mean she's not talented or entertaining, you dont need a grand slam to be good at tennis.

to be fair, jankovic has only been in a position where it is feasible for her to win a grand slam since the latter half of 2006 and she has made quarters, semis and a final and is odds on to win one in '09, so despite not getting the big one, she has delivered. i'm not a jankovic fan, but i do think that making #1 without a grand slam is a huge achievement, particularly as the rankings were created to favour those who performed at the grand slam moreso than any other tournaments. I still think her drama-queen-esque displays are more annoying than entertaining, but given the choice, I wouldn't watch Jankovic unless she was playing someone I like or in a final, so i very rarely have to endure it

IceHock
Jan 9th, 2009, 09:23 PM
to be fair, jankovic has only been in a position where it is feasible for her to win a grand slam since the latter half of 2006 and she has made quarters, semis and a final and is odds on to win one in '09, so despite not getting the big one, she has delivered. i'm not a jankovic fan, but i do think that making #1 without a grand slam is a huge achievement, particularly as the rankings were created to favour those who performed at the grand slam moreso than any other tournaments. I still think her drama-queen-esque displays are more annoying than entertaining, but given the choice, I wouldn't watch Jankovic unless she was playing someone I like or in a final, so i very rarely have to endure it

I respect that completely, I find it very dumb for others to say she isn't good because she has no slam, it just makes no sense to me.

Matt01
Jan 9th, 2009, 09:57 PM
Entertaining and good? She is soo good that she hasn't won a slam.


She is so good that she is #1.
How good is the girl in your avatar? Not good enough to be even Top 5 so please shut :p

ms_nut
Jan 9th, 2009, 09:57 PM
Entertaining and good? She is soo good that she hasn't won a slam. She is so entertaining with her 50 different injuries and drama antics on court, you are so right.:p

:p It's clear you dislike her.. what's wrong about others liking her?? Imagine if everyone here was only a Venus fan?? You would have no one to pick on..;)

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 9th, 2009, 10:09 PM
I respect that completely, I find it very dumb for others to say she isn't good because she has no slam, it just makes no sense to me.

she's not good enough to win a slam...how does that not make sense??? (let me say so far in case serena venus and maria retire or take the rest of the year off :p) anyways i don't find it entertaining...now maria is entertaining: see RG 4rd last year (allez up your ****ing ass :rolls: ), IW "my home" incident (nothing wrong with it to me but was made more entertaining when she lost next rd and someone started the thread that she was now homeless :rolls: )....serena and maria respresent glamour, drama, fashion...jj does neither of these except say she has career threatening injuries while still running like a dingo :o

AcesHigh
Jan 9th, 2009, 10:09 PM
She is so good that she is #1.
How good is the girl in your avatar? Not good enough to be even Top 5 so please shut :p

Only good enough to win Wimbledon and YEC :( poor Venus... why do you suck so much?


:rolleyes:

bakkie pleur
Jan 9th, 2009, 10:11 PM
That is ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Agree

IceHock
Jan 9th, 2009, 10:12 PM
she's not good enough to win a slam...how does that not make sense??? anyways i don't find it entertaining...now maria is entertaining: see RG 4rd last year (allez up your ****ing ass :rolls: ), IW "my home" incident (nothing wrong with it to me but was made more entertaining when she lost next rd and someone started the thread that she was now homeless :rolls: )....serena and maria respresent glamour, drama, fashion...jj does neither of these except say she has career threatening injuries while still running like a dingo :o

You misenterpreted what i said, uranium quoted me saying she was not entertaining nor good because does not have a slam, so your first line does not matter, it is obvious you hate the girl, and it's obvious your incapable of respecting someone even if you hate them, you as a serena fan should know more than others how much flack she gets, yet you find it funny to do the same thing to others.

hablo
Jan 9th, 2009, 10:19 PM
Just to add to my original point, if Jankovic is currently engaged in a muscle building routine, we could see results in February or March. But from mid-November to the beginning of January!?!?

I think not. However, there is something to what she says as well. Muscles need to be trained. If you put on muscle over time, while playing your sport, the additional muscle gets trained gradually. If you put on muscle mass fast, you are essentially adding untrained muscle. It there, but it doesn't know what it doing yet. Which, when you get down to it, is exactly what Jankovic said is currently a problem.

Interesting. I didn't know about this "untrained" muscle stuff.

But how will this additional muscular build affect her flexibility?

You can be muscular and fast: Serena was both in 2002. Maybe JJ will get it back a bit later in the season?

friendsita
Jan 9th, 2009, 10:35 PM
ohh gosh

Optima
Jan 9th, 2009, 10:37 PM
she's not good enough to win a slam...how does that not make sense??? (let me say so far in case serena venus and maria retire or take the rest of the year off :p) anyways i don't find it entertaining...now maria is entertaining: see RG 4rd last year (allez up your ****ing ass :rolls: ), IW "my home" incident (nothing wrong with it to me but was made more entertaining when she lost next rd and someone started the thread that she was now homeless :rolls: )....serena and maria respresent glamour, drama, fashion...jj does neither of these except say she has career threatening injuries while still running like a dingo :o

Don't pay attention to this boys and girls, it speaks false statements.

mauresmofan
Jan 9th, 2009, 11:38 PM
Interesting. I didn't know about this "untrained" muscle stuff.

But how will this additional muscular build affect her flexibility?

You can be muscular and fast: Serena was both in 2002. Maybe JJ will get it back a bit later in the season?

Yeah but like Dementievas fan was saying earlier some body types can handle extra muscle mass and others just aren't suited to it. It worked for Justine but that doesn't necessarily mean it'll work for Jelena. Amélie is another player who is built and can move fast. I don't think even Venus' body type would improve with more muscle mass because she's tall and lean and adding bulk would only slow her down. Do people not realise it's not about how strong you are but about your timing and racket acceleration that produces the power. That's what I don't get about this Jankovic saga.

Dominic
Jan 9th, 2009, 11:42 PM
OMG ppl need to buy a life. Her physique has changed she needs to adapt to it, that is 100% believable. And even if it wasnt, would you leave the poor woman alone.

Craig.
Jan 9th, 2009, 11:49 PM
LOL, I don't like Jelena at all and I'm not one to normally get involved in these types of threads (recently :p), but this is just ridiculous. Let the girl be, ffs.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 9th, 2009, 11:56 PM
You misenterpreted what i said, uranium quoted me saying she was not entertaining nor good because does not have a slam, so your first line does not matter, it is obvious you hate the girl, and it's obvious your incapable of respecting someone even if you hate them, you as a serena fan should know more than others how much flack she gets, yet you find it funny to do the same thing to others.

are you smoking :rolls: i didn't like maria at first for obvious reasons :lol: but i grew to respect her and even become indifferent, dare i say even like her a bit...she's a champion which i can't dispute so my only argument is with some sharapova fans who think she can beat peak graf or peak venus :rolls: mashaaafan :p


and serena gets flack no doubt...but there's a difference between hating on a 9 time slam champ and, well jj :shrug: i'm capable of respecting someone but they must earn it...jj has done nothing to earn it :shrug:

Volcana
Jan 9th, 2009, 11:59 PM
I respect that completely, I find it very dumb for others to say she isn't good because she has no slam, it just makes no sense to me.Sort of like saying Kournikova wasn't good enough to win a WTA tournament because she never did. Oh wait ....

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 9th, 2009, 11:59 PM
OMG ppl need to buy a life. Her physique has changed she needs to adapt to it, that is 100% believable. And even if it wasnt, would you leave the poor woman alone.

it's not like jj went and got like nadal or even peak serena...so i dunno why she's finding it so hard especially after all the talk she made of it during the OS :shrug: maria went and bulked up and i didn't hear her complaining about having to adapt :shrug:

So Disrespectful
Jan 10th, 2009, 12:06 AM
She looks like she gained a lot of muscle weight. It will take her time to adjust, but I'm sure she'll find that ultimately it's worse for her game. Someone who relies so much on defense shouldn't try to be an aggressive player because it goes against their natural attributes. I'm actually worried that her results may suffer for this change, and she'll revert to her old body.

I believe Jelena. Up until now, she had only lost one of nine matches in straight sets against Venus (winning five), and that was the first of their meetings in 2005. The only thing that has changed since late last year is Jelena's physique. So unless she just didn't care about the exhibition match, which is likely, I can't see why else she would be moving slower than ever and displaying sloppy footwork on most of her forehands.

Conor
Jan 10th, 2009, 12:12 AM
Is there any pictures?? I watched the doubles match and didnt notice any difference.

Volcana
Jan 10th, 2009, 12:13 AM
But how will this additional muscular build affect her flexibility?HER flexibility? Who knows? But take a look at half the female Olympic gymnasts. They are these short, muscular dynamos. Very fast, very flexible, very strong.

The issue is more a) her genetics, and b) how she went about adding weight. I very much doubt she just ate 6000 calories a day, lifted heavy weights and never stretched at all. But seven weeks is an awful short period of time to put on a lot of muscle mass.

IceHock
Jan 10th, 2009, 12:42 AM
are you smoking :rolls: i didn't like maria at first for obvious reasons :lol: but i grew to respect her and even become indifferent, dare i say even like her a bit...she's a champion which i can't dispute so my only argument is with some sharapova fans who think she can beat peak graf or peak venus :rolls: mashaaafan :p


and serena gets flack no doubt...but there's a difference between hating on a 9 time slam champ and, well jj :shrug: i'm capable of respecting someone but they must earn it...jj has done nothing to earn it :shrug:
so in your words you only respect someone if they win a slam, it doesn't matter to you how hard they work or sayyyyy yah lose about 15 matches in a row in 2006 then become number 1 in the world which jankovic did, and idk why you think im smoking? i didnt say anything weird in my post, i think personally it's retarded for you to base respect on winning a slam, you seem to forget that jankovic almost retired from the game 2 years ago and is now number 1 in the world, say what yah want to me that says something. btw which players do you respect besides maria and the williams?

No Name Face
Jan 10th, 2009, 01:02 AM
lol @ jelena.

hablo
Jan 10th, 2009, 01:13 AM
HER flexibility? Who knows? But take a look at half the female Olympic gymnasts. They are these short, muscular dynamos. Very fast, very flexible, very strong.

Good point. I forgot about the gymnasts. Their muscles definitely doesn't impede on their flexibility.

The issue is more a) her genetics, and b) how she went about adding weight. I very much doubt she just ate 6000 calories a day, lifted heavy weights and never stretched at all. But seven weeks is an awful short period of time to put on a lot of muscle mass.

I haven't addressed your point about doping to get more muscular because I have made more than my share of comments about this issue in sports on this board. I do agree with your observation though. Tennis is still very lenient in the way they test tennis players... ;)

Leo_DFP
Jan 10th, 2009, 02:04 AM
OMG! I thought all this hard training and body building was to slay all competition.:tape: What a lame excuse.:help:

She's always full of excuses. Now apparently getting stronger is making her weaker. Lol, whatever.

And actually if you look at the history of tennis, "beefing up" is usually the downfall for classic defensive players/roadsters. Michael Chang won the French in '89 but later in the 90's was sick of losing, so he tried to get bigger and stronger. It made his game worse, actually. The same for Lleyton Hewitt and Martina Hingis, who did not see more success after adding more muscle. Muscle is not always the way to go.

Andy.
Jan 10th, 2009, 02:10 AM
She used to have a hot body but now she looks chunky

Mackep83
Jan 10th, 2009, 02:13 AM
I have do admit that I havent been the kindest forumwriter. But now when I am reading all stupid and mean comments I feel that I really hope that noone of the tennisplayers reading this stupid forum. I cant believe that its so many haters here. And most of them are Serena fans :/

mboyle
Jan 10th, 2009, 02:13 AM
It seven weeks since the end of the YEC. She could have put on quite a bit of weight in that amount of time, but not that much muscle. Not without steroids anyway. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. I think, at OZ, we'll see a slower Jankovic, but not one that hits appreciably harder. It's not like she was overweight or something. Muscle is harder to build than fat is to lose.

I'm actually pretty into working out/bodybuilding whatever. You can't put on muscle without adding fat in that amount of time, if that is what you are talking about, but I added 15-20lbs of muscle in 8 weeks this summer (with about 10lbs of fat too...which is normal) without steroids. I did use creatine, which is acceptable in tennis and most other sports and does help gain muscle. I just ate a whole lot and worked out hard. Of course, I'm also a guy, which obviously makes some difference. I wonder how much...

Anyway, my point is that she could have added enough muscle+fat to make herself uncomfortable. Whether that was a wise decision, I do not know.

OsloErik
Jan 10th, 2009, 02:21 AM
I can believe it. Henin's results in 2002 were inconsistent when she was with Pat Etchberry (sp?), as did Seles in 1997 after she shed weight.

It's one thing to gain muscle or shed weight in training, but coping with it on court is a little different.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 10th, 2009, 02:26 AM
so in your words you only respect someone if they win a slam, it doesn't matter to you how hard they work or sayyyyy yah lose about 15 matches in a row in 2006 then become number 1 in the world which jankovic did, and idk why you think im smoking? i didnt say anything weird in my post, i think personally it's retarded for you to base respect on winning a slam, you seem to forget that jankovic almost retired from the game 2 years ago and is now number 1 in the world, say what yah want to me that says something. btw which players do you respect besides maria and the williams?

first: serena AND kim dropped out of top 100 and both got back to #1, winning majors along the way, so she hasn't done something that impressive to me

second: ana, lindsay, elena, dinara (mostly because of her HOTTTTTTT brother lol), marion, vika...for the most part i back winners and if not potential winners...jj just does nothing to inspire me...she doesn't make it better by claiming that to win a GS you only have to get lucky for two weeks, just because she doesn't have one :shrug:

Tennisstar86
Jan 10th, 2009, 02:30 AM
I'm actually pretty into working out/bodybuilding whatever. You can't put on muscle without adding fat in that amount of time, if that is what you are talking about, but I added 15-20lbs of muscle in 8 weeks this summer (with about 10lbs of fat too...which is normal) without steroids. I did use creatine, which is acceptable in tennis and most other sports and does help gain muscle. I just ate a whole lot and worked out hard. Of course, I'm also a guy, which obviously makes some difference. I wonder how much...

Anyway, my point is that she could have added enough muscle+fat to make herself uncomfortable. Whether that was a wise decision, I do not know.

lol Some difference. Its makes a HUGE difference.....

Chance
Jan 10th, 2009, 02:57 AM
It worked for Justine because she committed herself to being an aggressive player, but she too took some time to get used to her physique.

LoveFifteen
Jan 10th, 2009, 04:48 AM
Jelena's not my favourite person on tour, but really I fail to understand why people are so offended by her dramatic persona... why not just accept that she's a bit of a diva and lives in a slighty exaggerated state? She's not harming anyone, or abusing other players in dealing with her strange obsession with minor injuries and physical sensations.

Those of you who are offended/annoyed by her making "excuses" - what do you want her to say or believe? - a player has to find some logic in their losses so that they can try to improve and do better next time - if it helps her to think she's struggling just now because she put on some muscle, then good luck to her. Every player has a mindset to deal with the competitive stresses and peculiar psychological environments they live with, and some will seem more reasonable than others to each of us depending on our own views of the world. Serena, for example, lives in a cocoon where she and Venus are the best in every situation and everyone else is just a less talented distraction - it's a mindset that has brought her loads of success, but it's a really extreme mentality to possess and seems insane to a lot of people.

Personally, I'm not so fond of Serena or Jelena... but there really isn't any need for people to get their knickers in a knot about how they choose to see their matches/careers/games. If a player goes overboard and says something that's really rude or undermining anyone else on a chronic level, then fair enough have a moan about that issue... but it's not reasonable to condemn these players simply because we disagree with the way they see things.

A lot of Williams fans are particularly annoyed by Jankovic because she is yet another straight-talking, physically-weak European girl with a mediocre serve who has an even head-to-head against one or both of the sisters. :haha:

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jan 10th, 2009, 06:15 AM
I have a feeling Jankovic bulking up is going to backfire big time like when Hingis tried to do it. She's never going to be able to outslug the Williams sister or Sharapova, and she's sacrificing her trademark speed and scrambling ability in the process.

supergrunt
Jan 10th, 2009, 06:22 AM
that's not even an iota of an excuse :rolleyes:

V's a star
Jan 10th, 2009, 06:42 AM
first: serena AND kim dropped out of top 100 and both got back to #1, winning majors along the way, so she hasn't done something that impressive to me

second: ana, lindsay, elena, dinara (mostly because of her HOTTTTTTT brother lol), marion, vika...for the most part i back winners and if not potential winners...jj just does nothing to inspire me...she doesn't make it better by claiming that to win a GS you only have to get lucky for two weeks, just because she doesn't have one :shrug:

Exactly. the fact is shes never won anything major in here carrer (not major enough to be #1, momo n kim did plus a couple GS finals behind them wen they were 1st #1) Rome is sorta up there but not rely lol certainly not with a SF walkover and beating Cornet in the final who had a QF walkover from Serena Willaims! :help:

Il Primo!
Jan 10th, 2009, 06:48 AM
What's up with this neverending hate she receives? Cut the chick some slack :yawn:

Amalgamate
Jan 10th, 2009, 06:50 AM
:haha: absurd!

V's a star
Jan 10th, 2009, 07:02 AM
What's up with this neverending hate she receives? Cut the chick some slack :yawn:

well normally i wud but with what i posted above ^^ + the fact she has no sportsmanship:constant useless warshroom breaks, injury timeouts, on court coaching and the fact she says GS winners get lucky for 2 weeks n because she was number one at the end of the year she was best for 52 weeks :help:
She deserves absolutely no slack

DA FOREHAND
Jan 11th, 2009, 04:01 PM
She is so good that she is #1.
How good is the girl in your avatar? Not good enough to be even Top 5 so please shut :p

good enough to deny the troll in your avatar from reaching a slam final... all in her first full year on tour:lol::tape:

DA FOREHAND
Jan 11th, 2009, 04:12 PM
She used to have a hot body but now she looks chunky

shows you how badly she watns to win a Slam

Lucemferre
Jan 11th, 2009, 04:14 PM
I have a feeling Jankovic bulking up is going to backfire big time like when Hingis tried to do it. She's never going to be able to outslug the Williams sister or Sharapova, and she's sacrificing her trademark speed and scrambling ability in the process.

What are you talking about? She never tried to do it :lol:

Mashafaaaaan
Jan 11th, 2009, 04:21 PM
shows you how badly she watns to win a Slam

She knows what she has to do to win 9 Slams now:lol:I'm kiddin'.

Shawn
Jan 11th, 2009, 04:38 PM
is Jelena's physique that different? are we talking about 20 pounds of extra muscle or just 5 pounds? in her pics, she looks good but not what Venus used to look like when she had more muscles or like when Mary Pierce got muscular.

AnomyBC
Jan 11th, 2009, 05:02 PM
Can someone post a picture of what she looks like now? This makes me very curious :lol:

PS - Just for the record, I think Jelena is awesome. You haters can suck it :)

SvetaKuzzy
Jan 11th, 2009, 05:19 PM
Can someone post a picture of what she looks like now? This makes me very curious :lol:

PS - Just for the record, I think Jelena is awesome. You haters can suck it :)

no pic, but vid: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zRaSoAqO7ak

Dawn Marie
Jan 11th, 2009, 06:35 PM
I think Jelena is a great player. I don't think she should bulk up. She should gain stamina and be able to last long sets, but bulk up is stupid for her game type. All she had to do was put on some upperbody muscle strength to improve her serve. Work on her serve as far as changing it up.

She also needs to stop playing so much robotic tennis. She plays too much and it's only a matter of time before she falls in rank d/t injuries. So she needs to stop being so dramatic and focus on her stupid ass appalling schedule. Instead of a basic bulk up.