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FedererBulgaria
Jan 9th, 2009, 03:30 PM
:sad: Now it`s official!Sesil chose Kazakhstan:sad: Good luck girl!:sad:

Farina Elia Fan
Jan 9th, 2009, 03:31 PM
why?!?!?!?!

FedererBulgaria
Jan 9th, 2009, 03:33 PM
why?!?!?!?!

Not enough money from our tennis federation!

Elwin.
Jan 9th, 2009, 03:34 PM
WTF ? :o

InsideOut.
Jan 9th, 2009, 03:38 PM
Kazakhstan now has a pretty strong Fed Cup line-up: Voskoboeva, Shvedova and Karatantcheva. Not bad at all. :yeah:

Good luck Sesil the Kazakh :)

Vaidisova
Jan 9th, 2009, 03:38 PM
:o

Farina Elia Fan
Jan 9th, 2009, 03:40 PM
Not enough money from our tennis federation!

seriously :o


How does she qualify to play for Kazakhstan?

shrOOf
Jan 9th, 2009, 03:40 PM
KAZ once again. :hearts:

TheBoiledEgg
Jan 9th, 2009, 03:42 PM
:spit: good to have a useful #3

Dexter
Jan 9th, 2009, 03:44 PM
$$$. I have no insight in the story, but it must be this.

Iceland
Jan 9th, 2009, 03:58 PM
It feels so ridiculous :o.

Just Do It
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:04 PM
Sesil is broke, so I kinda understand her. Good luck :yeah:

Lennval
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:23 PM
this is thunderous like sesil

thegreendestiny
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:25 PM
i don't understand it. Does she have any Kazakh background at all? What is her connection with the country?

thegreendestiny
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:27 PM
i don't understand it. Does she have any Kazakh background at all? What is her connection with the country?

FedererBulgaria
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:28 PM
i don't understand it. Does she have any Kazakh background at all? What is her connection with the country?

money connection:rolleyes:

Jose.
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:32 PM
Another one to Kazakhstan :eek:
Hope she has more success there. :hearts:

InsideOut.
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:35 PM
$E$IL :hearts:

Louis Cyphre
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:38 PM
why?!?!?!?!

for $5,000 per month :tape::help:

thegreendestiny
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:40 PM
how could that be allowed? it's as if they're selling nationalities. does that mean the US can buy russian players after the williams retire? i dont get... i dont get it...

Tenisci
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:40 PM
Kazakhstan :(

ce
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:43 PM
for $5,000 per month :tape::help:

you have to be joking :o

FedererBulgaria
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:44 PM
you have to be joking :o

No+ plus some bonus:o

Just Do It
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:45 PM
Is it possible that Bulgarian tennis federation is not able to give her 5k a month ?

mimosa
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:45 PM
i don't understand it. Does she have any Kazakh background at all? What is her connection with the country?

Money. This is her only connection with this country. She have to return a lot of money and she has not enough support from Bulgarian federation. It's very sad but..... good luck Sesil in the new country anyway!

Louis Cyphre
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:46 PM
you have to be joking :o

I wish to ;)

$5,000 per month and bonuses for good performance :tape: It was something like "50,000 if she enter top20" which will not happens in the last few years (if that happens at all)

As someone wrote :

$e$il :lol:

ce
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:48 PM
that is so low Sesil :o

Kworb
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:56 PM
Sesil :hearts: The future of tennis. Kazakhstan will soon have a top 10 player.

frenchie
Jan 9th, 2009, 04:57 PM
that is so low Sesil :o


Well without money you can't travel, hire a coach and play tournaments:rolleyes:
Ask some lower ranked players

The worst in this story is that the bulgarian federation didn't help her more

^bibi^
Jan 9th, 2009, 05:00 PM
This is not different than for Yaroslava & Galina, they all went for the same reasons, Kazakhstan was offering them a support their own federations couldn't... I'd say they made the right choice...

bavaria86
Jan 9th, 2009, 05:01 PM
Kazakhstan:spit:

Dexter
Jan 9th, 2009, 05:06 PM
This is not different than for Yaroslava & Galina, they all went for the same reasons, Kazakhstan was offering them a support their own federations couldn't... I'd say they made the right choice...But at least in their cases them switching up on paper doesn't look that obvious. It's not that hard to find some connection with Kazakhstan or even easier just fake it, since when both were born there was nor Kazakhstan, nor Russian Federation, just CCCP.
Sesil getting Kazakh citizenship, looks as ridiculous as if she started to represent Myanmar or Guinea-Bissau. I understand her though perfectly; it's her choice.

cellophane
Jan 9th, 2009, 05:53 PM
I wonder why the Bulgarian federation won't help her?

Interesting how so many players are switching to Kazakhstan... and how their federation apparently has such deep pockets :confused:

SVK
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:02 PM
Wow, a few years later Kazakhstan will have 20 players in TOP 100 and best womens tennis :spit:

Stancho123
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:07 PM
To everyone that say she didn`t get money from the bulgarian federation i must say that when they found she was using drugs(to help her game), while there was penalty the federation always helped Sesil... This is realy low from her. Why Pironkova didn`t ``sell`` herself?

SVK
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:10 PM
To everyone that say she didn`t get money from the bulgarian federation i must say that when they found she was using drugs(to help her game), while there was penalty the federation always helped Sesil... This is realy low from her. Why Pironkova didn`t ``sell`` herself?

Yes, you´re right, but some players has higher "moneyfeeling":o

Daniela-Is-Mine
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:13 PM
she canpay for condoms now.

matty
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:15 PM
$$$. I have no insight in the story, but it must be this.

Yep, she's in debt--if she wants to play tennis she has to have financing.

I read an article the other day (from 2006?) that was talking about some sponsorship deals for Shahar Peer that said it cost her $250,000:eek: a yr to play on the tour. I suppose that included a full time coach.

matty
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:17 PM
To everyone that say she didn`t get money from the bulgarian federation i must say that when they found she was using drugs(to help her game), while there was penalty the federation always helped Sesil... This is realy low from her. Why Pironkova didn`t ``sell`` herself?

I read that Sesil is in debt about $200,000. If she really wants to be a contender, she has no choice.

Just Do It
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:19 PM
To everyone that say she didn`t get money from the bulgarian federation i must say that when they found she was using drugs(to help her game), while there was penalty the federation always helped Sesil... This is realy low from her. Why Pironkova didn`t ``sell`` herself?

I am sure Sesil did it because she did not have any other option ;)

It is obvious. She had to return $$$ she earned at RG and other tournamnets and she was hoping her come back will be thunderous, but it wasnt, she did not get much money, and now saw the only solution will be to switch nationalities.

Stancho123
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:21 PM
I read that Sesil is in debt about $200,000. If she really wants to be a contender, she has no choice.

She should`t used drugs then...

tiwapon
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:36 PM
Good for her. Voskoboeva will retire one day so she can replace her at Fed Cup!

barboza
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:50 PM
Why can't she just represent USA? Didn't she spend part of her time training here?

Vespertine69
Jan 9th, 2009, 06:55 PM
It's sad in a way that a player ends up changing nationality for financial reasons, but it's not something that I would hold against Sesil in any way - pro tennis is her career and she has to make it work financially for her. National pride and identity are all well and good, but one needs a little financial security before such luxuries can be enjoyed.

LoveFifteen
Jan 9th, 2009, 07:00 PM
Why can't she just represent USA? Didn't she spend part of her time training here?

We're too busy supporting true talent like Vania King. :unsure:

Vespertine69
Jan 9th, 2009, 07:02 PM
She should`t used drugs then...

She was a 15/16 year old girl surrounded by adults who at the very least must have STRONGLY encouraged her down that path. Do you really think, seriously, that she is the one to blame? How old are you? Do you think a 15 year old says "I know, I need some anabolic steroids to improve my career, let me just go to my private laboratory and brew some up!" - think about the practicalities involved for a minute.

markdelaney
Jan 9th, 2009, 07:06 PM
she can pay for condoms now.

lol:worship:

Tripp
Jan 9th, 2009, 07:08 PM
Again, just like it happened with Shvedova and Voskoboeva, people judging someone's personal choices :o. It's a personal decision, and it suits her. Tennis players outside the top 100 don't make that much money, did you know that?

markdelaney
Jan 9th, 2009, 07:10 PM
She was a 15/16 year old girl surrounded by adults who at the very least must have STRONGLY encouraged her down that path. Do you really think, seriously, that she is the one to blame? How old are you? Do you think a 15 year old says "I know, I need some anabolic steroids to improve my career, let me just go to my private laboratory and brew some up!" - think about the practicalities involved for a minute.

I always thought considering her age, the penalty was very harsh as she couldn't possibly have got the anabolic steroids by herself.


If this is what she wants then good luck to her. Kazakhstan has a poor record on drug test failures in cycling and weightlifting so it isn't like she will be a controversial choice.

FedererBulgaria
Jan 9th, 2009, 07:11 PM
She was a 15/16 year old girl surrounded by adults who at the very least must have STRONGLY encouraged her down that path. Do you really think, seriously, that she is the one to blame? How old are you? Do you think a 15 year old says "I know, I need some anabolic steroids to improve my career, let me just go to my private laboratory and brew some up!" - think about the practicalities involved for a minute.

:worship:Great comment!

jrm
Jan 9th, 2009, 07:12 PM
Kazakhstan has money to give away???

Wow, i hated her, now i loathe her :bowdown:

Russianboy
Jan 9th, 2009, 07:15 PM
Kazakhstan:spit:

:rolleyes: :smash:

hellas719
Jan 9th, 2009, 07:18 PM
Sesil:o
WTF? WHO would've ever thought that they would have such players a few months ago? Now they have 3 in the top150:eek:
I wouldn't do that if I were Kazakhastan though. I just feel like that's cheating. Unless Voskoboeva and Shvedova have Kazakh roots, I wouldn't bother getting them. Wouldn't you rather spend the money building courts and training juniors? I will never root for Sesil again. I know it's for the $$$$$$, but she shouldn't have done drugs anyway:shrug:. Maybe she was around adults, but so? She should know right from wrong:shrug:

Hayato
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:06 PM
This concept of representing whatever country you like based on money is ridiculous. Whatever happened to national pride, patriotism...when did money become more important? Has Sesil even been to Kazakhstan before? Does she know anything about the country she is going to be playing for?

I understand she is in debt, or so I have read in this thread, but there must be another way to get out of that. She is not the only player who is struggling to make ends meet. There are so many on the ITF tour, she is probably better off than a lot of them and you don't see them switching nationalities to any country who may offer it. Well, good luck to her.

goldenlox
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:12 PM
This concept of representing whatever country you like based on money is ridiculous. Whatever happened to national pride, patriotism...when did money become more important? Has Sesil even been to Kazakhstan before? Does she know anything about the country she is going to be playing for?

I understand she is in debt, or so I have read in this thread, but there must be another way to get out of that. She is not the only player who is struggling to make ends meet. There are so many on the ITF tour, she is probably better off than a lot of them and you don't see them switching nationalities to any country who may offer it. Well, good luck to her.Plenty of players have national pride.
But they are all allowed to choose their own path.
Nick Bollittieri thought Sesil was headed for #1. And who knows, she might get there one day.
But right now, she needs money

Ceri
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:16 PM
Good luck in 2009 Sesil!

Vespertine69
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:27 PM
Sesil:o
WTF? WHO would've ever thought that they would have such players a few months ago? Now they have 3 in the top150:eek:
I wouldn't do that if I were Kazakhastan though. I just feel like that's cheating. Unless Voskoboeva and Shvedova have Kazakh roots, I wouldn't bother getting them. Wouldn't you rather spend the money building courts and training juniors? I will never root for Sesil again. I know it's for the $$$$$$, but she shouldn't have done drugs anyway:shrug:. Maybe she was around adults, but so? She should know right from wrong:shrug:

Knowing right from wrong is not always what defines the outcome of a situation when a person doesn't have the full freedom to choose what they want. I'll give you an extreme example - a fictional 15 year old who is being physically or sexually abused by someone who has a dominant relationship with them (a parent, or a full time coach or tutor of some kind) - this is a situation they do not want, but unless they have the good fortune to have someone else close to them who can help them, they might easily become stuck in it, because they do not have the personal power to escape from this dominant person without all sorts of unimaginable consequences. For a lot of teens in that sort of situation, it is easier to remain in the situation and avoid further conflict, and the lines between right and wrong and who is to blame become horribly blurred. Knowing that something is wrong doesn't mean you can just escape it.

I realise that I've used an extreme example, but logic would tell us that Sesil's situation must have been at least a bit strange, if not abusive - what sort of parent/coach in charge of a young girl would consider it a rational idea to feed her steroids? Sure, there are a lot of greedy tennis parents or unscrupulous coaches I am sure, but to use such an obvious steroid that is widely tested for is plain stupid. Her environment must have been a bad one before this could happen, so I just don't buy the idea that she somehow should have stood up and said NO! like an anti-drug poster girl in some sunny commercial, and then everything would be super and people would cheer, etc, etc, etc. Life is not black and white like this - even when you know wrong from right, it is not always possible to choose the ideal course of action.

ninanina19
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:27 PM
This concept of representing whatever country you like based on money is ridiculous. Whatever happened to national pride, patriotism...when did money become more important? Has Sesil even been to Kazakhstan before? Does she know anything about the country she is going to be playing for?

I understand she is in debt, or so I have read in this thread, but there must be another way to get out of that. She is not the only player who is struggling to make ends meet. There are so many on the ITF tour, she is probably better off than a lot of them and you don't see them switching nationalities to any country who may offer it. Well, good luck to her.What other players owe $200,000 to the ITF?

Hayato
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:29 PM
Plenty of players have national pride.
But they are all allowed to choose their own path.
Nick Bollittieri thought Sesil was headed for #1. And who knows, she might get there one day.
But right now, she needs money

Sesil's obviously isn't very strong.

Changing nationalities to help a player get to number one, has it been done before? I don't think it is necessary :p Game and play are most important for that. Sure, money helps though.

She must have some money in the bank and a QF at Brisbane already helps...

The Chinese players don't change to Kazakhstan and look how much money their Federation takes from them.

Of course, it's a personal choice, it's just strange that this is the WTA nowadays where you can change your nationality for an offer of money.

Europe rocks
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:30 PM
This happened in athletics when Qatar and Bahrain bought some of the Kenyan long distance runners, all about money

Maryamator
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:32 PM
Yawn.

Hayato
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:34 PM
What other players owe $200,000 to the ITF?

Is this a fact? I don't believe everything I read on here :lol:

ninanina19
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:35 PM
Is this a fact? I don't believe everything I read on here :lol:

Yeah. She has to pay back all the tournaments she played in while she was on steroids. So FO to the end of 2005. It comes to over $200,000.

markdelaney
Jan 9th, 2009, 08:43 PM
Didn't Australia repatriate all the best Bulgarian pole vaulters a few years ago ?


And back to Sesil , if anyone witnessed the horrible bunch of intimidating men she had around her at Wimbledon in 2005, they would be fully aware that she was being manipulated and was being very badly managed.

goldenlox
Jan 9th, 2009, 09:21 PM
There's a WNBA player from the US who played in the Olympics for Russia.
This stuff happens in a lot of sports.

Привет
Jan 9th, 2009, 10:09 PM
Is this a fact? I don't believe everything I read on here :lol:

Well you don't appear to have had any problems believing this, despite the fact there is absolutely nothing to back this up and prove that it is true. :lol:

I want to see some articles or something, thanks. One person saying it is so isn't good enough for me.

FedererBulgaria
Jan 9th, 2009, 10:16 PM
Well you don't appear to have had any problems believing this, despite the fact there is absolutely nothing to back this up and prove that it is true. :lol:

I want to see some articles or something, thanks. One person saying it is so isn't good enough for me.

Was on bulgarian television!Her father said that Sesil will play for Kazakhstan!

sammy01
Jan 9th, 2009, 10:21 PM
i have to say good on her. im pretty sure she can get back into the top 50 this year and she does have money to pay back so it makes sense. she could really do with qualifying for the oz open as even a 1st round pay check there is good money.

Keadz
Jan 9th, 2009, 10:22 PM
What does Kazakhstan get out of this?

Even if she gets back to the top, what do they get besides a top 50 player?

ninanina19
Jan 9th, 2009, 10:22 PM
Can she go back to Bulgaria after some time?

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jan 9th, 2009, 10:54 PM
Sesil's obviously isn't very strong.

Changing nationalities to help a player get to number one, has it been done before? I don't think it is necessary :p Game and play are most important for that. Sure, money helps though.

She must have some money in the bank and a QF at Brisbane already helps...

The Chinese players don't change to Kazakhstan and look how much money their Federation takes from them.

Of course, it's a personal choice, it's just strange that this is the WTA nowadays where you can change your nationality for an offer of money.

She might not have that much money in the bank though. She made $380,000 throughout her career, probably 30% of which goes to tax. That brings her down to $265,000 or so. Then she traveled on the tour for three years with her father ('04, '05, '08) which is at a bare minimum, costing at least $50,000 per year. That brings her down to $135,000. Now factor in the $200,000 she owes to the ITF, the 2 years where she was practicing the whole time with no income coming in, the crazy expensive coaches she occasionally brought in like Bolletieri, and she probably does have a significant amount of debt.

Even though I totally disagree with the Chinese system regarding their athletes, they do provide them with free apartments and coaching, and they essentially became national heroes when they retire and are set for life. They may not take a ton of money, but they are definitely living comfortably.

Life on the ITF Tour is incredibly difficult. I've come to the conclusion that most of these girls have to come from trust fund families or will be paying off debts for the rest of their life. They invest so much money year after year and can't even break even.

Hayato
Jan 9th, 2009, 11:10 PM
She might not have that much money in the bank though. She made $380,000 throughout her career, probably 30% of which goes to tax. That brings her down to $265,000 or so. Then she traveled on the tour for three years with her father ('04, '05, '08) which is at a bare minimum, costing at least $50,000 per year. That brings her down to $135,000. Now factor in the $200,000 she owes to the ITF, the 2 years where she was practicing the whole time with no income coming in, the crazy expensive coaches she occasionally brought in like Bolletieri, and she probably does have a significant amount of debt.

Even though I totally disagree with the Chinese system regarding their athletes, they do provide them with free apartments and coaching, and they essentially became national heroes when they retire and are set for life. They may not take a ton of money, but they are definitely living comfortably.

Life on the ITF Tour is incredibly difficult. I've come to the conclusion that most of these girls have to come from trust fund families or will be paying off debts for the rest of their life. They invest so much money year after year and can't even break even.

Good points. OK, it looks like I can understand this move a little better now. It's still a surprise though, that she is going to play for Kazakhstan with no ties to that country, and that the Bulgarian Tennis Federation hasn't helped her as much as she obviously needs.

I especially agree with your last paragraph. I think money is a huge factor why there are so many European ITF an WTA players coming up, and barely any Latin players, or African players. The European girls can play the entire year in Europe if they wanted to, on all surfaces, so the cost of travel is considerably smaller. With Latinas and Africans they can only play a small part of the year in nearby places where they can afford to travel to, and pretty much all on one surface.

I don't want to go off topic but my point is that the WTA just seems to becoming more and more about money, with every new year that comes. I know it's always been that way, but things like this haven't been common before and now Kazakhstan has got 3 players in under a year. I wouldn't be surprised if there are many more players in debt, that we just don't know about.

mauresmofan
Jan 9th, 2009, 11:17 PM
:bounce::bounce::bounce:This is great news now she will be second most famous person in all of Kazakhstan!:bounce::bounce::bounce:

(behind this man)
http://hauteconcept.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/borat-mankini-62408-1.jpg

Junex
Jan 10th, 2009, 02:23 AM
This concept of representing whatever country you like based on money is ridiculous. Whatever happened to national pride, patriotism...when did money become more important? Has Sesil even been to Kazakhstan before? Does she know anything about the country she is going to be playing for?

I understand she is in debt, or so I have read in this thread, but there must be another way to get out of that. She is not the only player who is struggling to make ends meet. There are so many on the ITF tour, she is probably better off than a lot of them and you don't see them switching nationalities to any country who may offer it. Well, good luck to her.

Full of Hypocrisy in here!!!

Did Martina Nav & Monica Seles have any American connection other than being a "refugee"!

Junex
Jan 10th, 2009, 02:26 AM
She should`t used drugs then...

And with countrymen like you, I would change my nationalities as well..... shame on you!

Golovinjured.
Jan 10th, 2009, 02:33 AM
What is it with Kazakhstan? Do their men have chocolate flavoured sperm or something?

iGOAT
Jan 10th, 2009, 02:35 AM
SHUT UP HATERS!!!!

If you were offered a bunch of money to play tennis for a country and live there for a while, you probably would. She did nothing wrong and will have a better career/life now since she plays for a supporting country and is all rich.

My money is on Lucic next :devil:

Hayato
Jan 10th, 2009, 02:37 AM
Full of Hypocrisy in here!!!

Did Martina Nav & Monica Seles have any American connection other than being a "refugee"!

what :confused:

juki
Jan 10th, 2009, 03:24 AM
Kazakhstan is an oil-rich nation that is going at great lengths to "modernize" or "westernize", and one of the ways they are doing this is by pumping money into sports (Astana cycling team, bidding for Winter Olympics in Almaty, etc). They are not just buying players but also improving their infrastructure so they can develop their own players over time. Public image seems to be important to them.

The US laws would not allow this type of thing to happen, and there would be far too much public outcry. Imagine giving citizenship to a random European tennis player who doesn't live in the US over an illegal migrant worker who has been working in the US for 10+ years. They would never dare to go down that road.

Can't fault Sesil at all for making this decision. Hope this can help her on her way back up!

OsloErik
Jan 10th, 2009, 03:32 AM
How is this big news? Bulgaria sort of wasted their opportunity to build permanence in tennis when the Maleeva's were around. If you haven't the funding to go to private institutions, you need a national federation that can take care if you. Kazakhstan (and Uzbekistan, too) have rather surprisingly good athletic infrastructure.

Hayato
Jan 10th, 2009, 03:38 AM
Kazakhstan is an oil-rich nation that is going at great lengths to "modernize" or "westernize", and one of the ways they are doing this is by pumping money into sports (Astana cycling team, bidding for Winter Olympics in Almaty, etc). They are not just buying players but also improving their infrastructure so they can develop their own players over time. Public image seems to be important to them.


Can you blame them? :lol: Borat destroyed their image overseas! The only things Kazakhstan is renound for to the average citizen are Borat, oil, space launches and uranium. Hopefully Sesil will change that, in a good way ;)
Kazakhstan is a beautiful country from what i've seen in photos.

Karolina_Sprem
Jan 10th, 2009, 05:11 PM
SHUT UP HATERS!!!!

If you were offered a bunch of money to play tennis for a country and live there for a while, you probably would. She did nothing wrong and will have a better career/life now since she plays for a supporting country and is all rich.

My money is on Lucic next :devil:

It would be VERY bad "investment" for you if you put your money on Miss Lucic...She won't change her nationality. She said that few months ago even tho there were speculation about this 6 years ago and she had chances but she said no...;)

OT....Good luck to Karatantcheva...She should be back in Top 50 where she belongs...

Boreas
Jan 10th, 2009, 05:57 PM
Kazakhstan can do better than that:o They must be really devastated to buy a girl who forgot to check fair play rules and has zero moral sense:help:

Valanga
Jan 10th, 2009, 06:00 PM
Weird :eek:

Wow, there are so many Kazakhs in WTA now.

Leo_DFP
Jan 10th, 2009, 06:03 PM
Money, money, money, money. MONEY!

Karatancheva is singing that song right now.

But seriously, even if they more financial support and better training facilities, doesn't her birthplace/nationality mean anything to her? And how is she eligible - does she have to own property in Kazakhstan to get their nationality?

Ballbasher
Jan 10th, 2009, 07:53 PM
When will she start playing for them?

iGOAT
Jan 10th, 2009, 08:03 PM
Bulgarian Sesil Karatantcheva will begin representing Kazakstan in international competition. "It's a three-year contract which will give Sesil financial stability," her father, Radoslav, told Bulgarian press.

Oh lord :haha:

iGOAT
Jan 10th, 2009, 08:04 PM
It would be VERY bad "investment" for you if you put your money on Miss Lucic...She won't change her nationality. She said that few months ago even tho there were speculation about this 6 years ago and she had chances but she said no...;)

OT....Good luck to Karatantcheva...She should be back in Top 50 where she belongs...
Metaphorically :p

I would NOT be surprised still, these players aren't ditching their countries, just for their tennis careers they play for another one

FedererBulgaria
Jan 10th, 2009, 08:07 PM
Bulgarian Sesil Karatantcheva will begin representing Kazakstan in international competition. "It's a three-year contract which will give Sesil financial stability," her father, Radoslav, told Bulgarian press.

Oh lord :haha:

where you found this

iGOAT
Jan 10th, 2009, 08:20 PM
where you found this
tennis.com ticker (reliable source) A contract :help:

OsloErik
Jan 10th, 2009, 08:38 PM
Kazakhstan can do better than that:o They must be really devastated to buy a girl who forgot to check fair play rules and has zero moral sense:help:

I think most people are willing to get over someone who as a 15 year old who had a little lapse when likely not making her own choices. I know I am, and I imagine Kazakhstan is as well.

the cat
Jan 10th, 2009, 08:50 PM
why?!?!?!?!
Probably because Sesil saw a couple of Russina's with not nearly the ability she has leave Russia for Kazakstan and thought they would offer her money to play for them and I think that's the case with Sesil. Good luck to her. Now that she has financial backing she needs to work hard and find her good game and have a good year. :tennis: :)

ivanban
Jan 10th, 2009, 10:02 PM
Kazakhstan can do better than that:o They must be really devastated to buy a girl who forgot to check fair play rules and has zero moral sense:help:

Well, they can buy only what market is offering, and apparently $e$il was the best player in stock :shrug:

Malva
Jan 10th, 2009, 10:07 PM
that is so low Sesil :o

I agree. This is base. I am not even sure she knows where exactly Kazakhstan is.

Bulgarian Sesil "It's a three-year contract which will give Sesil financial stability," her father, Radoslav, told Bulgarian press.

Oh lord :haha:

Citizenship «a three-year contract»? Progress of Humankind has been accelerating lately, I suppose.

UDACHi
Jan 10th, 2009, 10:28 PM
people are upset that she switched nationalities so she could support her career. :lol: ok.

Malva
Jan 10th, 2009, 10:32 PM
people are upset that she switched nationalities so she could support her career. :lol: ok.

Those who are «upset», as you put it, are probably rather disgusted with the cynicism and baseness of this girl.

tiwapon
Jan 10th, 2009, 10:41 PM
Let her do whatever she wants, for god's sake! :rolleyes:

ivanban
Jan 10th, 2009, 10:43 PM
Let her do whatever she wants, for god's sake! :rolleyes:

Uhmm, if we do that, she'll prolly again resort to "anti-pregnancy" pills :shrug:

Nicolás89
Jan 10th, 2009, 10:47 PM
lol Did she sold out her virginity or something? :lol:

Tennis-Chick
Jan 10th, 2009, 10:49 PM
If I was a tennis player I couldn't see myself changing nationalities because I was born and breed here, but I understand why Sesil is doing it, she needs money to get back to the top again :D:D

I just dont understand how she can just change nationality, dont you need some connections to KAZ to represent them?

juki
Jan 10th, 2009, 10:58 PM
No, she doesn't need any connections at all. Kazakhstan isn't like European or American countries where citizenship laws are based on immigration. They offered her citizenship and she accepted, that's all there is. Every country can determine what makes someone a citizen for themselves.

ivanban
Jan 10th, 2009, 11:01 PM
No, she doesn't need any connections at all. Kazakhstan isn't like European or American countries where citizenship laws are based on immigration. They offered her citizenship and she accepted, that's all there is. Every country can determine what makes someone a citizen for themselves.

Exactly!

And in Kazakhstan all you need is to accept to be bought :cool:

TS
Jan 11th, 2009, 02:12 AM
If only it were this easy for Gajdosova and Rodionova, who have been waiting years to become Aussie citizens :lol:

Vespertine69
Jan 11th, 2009, 02:50 AM
Those who are «upset», as you put it, are probably rather disgusted with the cynicism and baseness of this girl.

Disgusting? Base? Isn't all this a bit severe? Whatever our personal feelings on the value of patriotism/national pride, what gives us any right to condemn Karatantcheva for making the decision to play for a different country? If Kazakhstan and Sesil are both happy with the arrangement, there is hardly a terrible moral breach at work. It may not be the choice you or I would make, but she has the moral and legal right to apply for citizenship of whatever country she likes, and that country has every right to accept her according to their rules.

sammy01
Jan 11th, 2009, 03:11 AM
Disgusting? Base? Isn't all this a bit severe? Whatever our personal feelings on the value of patriotism/national pride, what gives us any right to condemn Karatantcheva for making the decision to play for a different country? If Kazakhstan and Sesil are both happy with the arrangement, there is hardly a terrible moral breach at work. It may not be the choice you or I would make, but she has the moral and legal right to apply for citizenship of whatever country she likes, and that country has every right to accept her according to their rules.

exactly and lets face it tennis is the least patriotic sport there is. most girls don't care for fed cup, 80% of players move or buy a house somewhere with low tax rates. really in tennis nationality is just 3 letters after a players name.

i always remember my sister watching some of bjorkman and kournikova at wimbledon one year and said 'but hes swedish, don't they have to play with others players from their own country', so tennis really is nothing to do with nationality.

Black Mamba.
Jan 11th, 2009, 03:13 AM
Hope the drug test is ready.

Lindsayfan32
Jan 11th, 2009, 06:30 AM
Poor Kazakhstan i feel sorry of them if they are desprate to let Sesil represent them.

TheBoiledEgg
Jan 11th, 2009, 09:22 AM
a 3 yr contract :spit:
then she'll sell herself to the highest bidder :spit:

Karolina_Sprem
Jan 11th, 2009, 09:30 AM
I don't understand why this now became a problem?!
When Seles, Dokic, Huber etc. changed their nationalities it was ok, and now when Karatantchewa has done the same it's something horrible.
Let me be clear...all players who changed their nationalities have done that because of money...Sesil was honest and said the ral reason why she has done that while other players were saying bull*** like "better conditions" etc etc:rolleyes:
Good luck to Seesil...I'm sure she'll be back in top 50 this year...and she'll kick some as** on women tour :devil::devil:

Boreas
Jan 11th, 2009, 09:33 AM
^^Yeah, Sesil's honesty should be appreciated, for once she was talking the truth:lol:

saniapower
Jan 11th, 2009, 09:42 AM
Oil revenue :shrug:
Bulgarian tennis authority and Bulgarian govt :smash:
Sesil done the right thing if she truly loves tennis :worship: