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HeninFan_2008
Jan 7th, 2009, 11:35 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AgTiqzpXcMtwMJAj3vuan4nRB7cF?slug=ap-newzealand-peerprotest&prov=ap&type=lgns

“The sports boycott of Israel is a key part of any boycott campaign because it is much more visible than a trade or investment boycott and can have an important psychological impact,” Minto said. “We saw this with the successful sports boycotts against apartheid South Africa, which had a big impact in South Africa and around the world.”

HeninFan_2008
Jan 7th, 2009, 11:49 PM
How well she does at this particular event is not my point. Should she be forced to withdraw at any event where some group is boycotting Israel?

au_sports_opinion
Jan 7th, 2009, 11:56 PM
Awful thread. But just on the point they make, the precedent was from South African National touring sides in Rugby and Cricket etc not an individual playing by herself in a tournament.

young_gunner913
Jan 7th, 2009, 11:59 PM
no. stupid thread and stupid poster.

Infiniti2001
Jan 8th, 2009, 12:29 AM
What the fuck for? :rolleyes:

rockstar
Jan 8th, 2009, 02:24 AM
how is this an awful thread? i think the poster is just trying to start a discussion and he doesnt even state his opinion that she should withdraw.

however, i think that NO, peer should no withdraw. like someone mentioned, it's not a really a team sport, so there's really no need to ban one player from playing.

Volcana
Jan 8th, 2009, 02:29 AM
no. stupid thread and stupid poster.neither the thread, nor the poster, is stupid. I have to question your intelligence however, given your response.


As to the question in the thread title, no. absolutely not. She should NOT be forced to withdraw. Tennis players are independent contractors. They do not represent their countries in any formal way. (You could make a case for banning Israel from Fed Cup, but this isn't about that. Also, the Israel and South Africa situations aren't precisely analogous.) Protesters do, of course, have the right to protest in public spaces near where she's working, if it's legal to do that in Auckland. Or any other country.

DutchieGirl
Jan 8th, 2009, 03:31 AM
Yeah - make her withdraw from everything! :bounce: (OK that WAS a joke).

No of course she shouldn't have to withdraw. The whole situation in that area is very complex - it's very different to South Africa and apartheid.

Pasta-Na
Jan 8th, 2009, 03:39 AM
no.

OsloErik
Jan 8th, 2009, 05:36 AM
What bullshit. Tennis is an individual sport; she's not a national team or something like that. South African golf and tennis players weren't barred from playing events. It takes an imbalanced individual to equate an individual Israeli athlete with whatever blame Israel deserves for this conflict. Ridiculous.

raffles
Jan 8th, 2009, 06:28 AM
She shouldn't withdrawn, not in this universe or the next. These people who are saying she should are the small liberals who would be up in arms if someone equated all Muslims with the terrorists yet are apparently happy to hold all Israeli athletes responsible for the countries political policies. And no it won't effective because people will see through the hypocracy in their suggestions.

Optima
Jan 8th, 2009, 06:29 AM
Ridiculous - No.

Wojtek
Jan 8th, 2009, 06:34 AM
idiotic thread

hingis-seles
Jan 8th, 2009, 06:42 AM
She shouldn't be forced to withdraw. As others have already mentioned, she's an individual not a national team. Whatever issues one may have with a country, to take it out on an individual from that country solves nothing. Especially when said individual has no say in the policies and armed tactics of that country.

I wish they'd stop harassing her.

HeninFan_2008
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:13 AM
Nice to see a good debate going. It's topical.

DeLorean
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:15 AM
NO! shes not representing Israel and as a nation they have done nothing wrong

Lin Lin
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:58 AM
Peer should play, don't care these people.This is sport!!Come on:weirdo:

Harvs
Jan 8th, 2009, 10:00 AM
no.

Lindsayfan32
Jan 8th, 2009, 10:02 AM
How well she does at this particular event is not my point. Should she be forced to withdraw at any event where some group is boycotting Israel?

In one word no. It not her fault what going on in Israel what right to protesters on the other side of the world have to tell which tournaments she can and can't play in. This is great case of a group for people forcing their views on to someone else. Just let Peer play tennis and leave politics out of it. :)

Volcana
Jan 8th, 2009, 12:40 PM
In one word no. It not her fault what going on in Israel what right to protesters on the other side of the world have to tell which tournaments she can and can't play in. This is great case of a group for people forcing their views on to someone else. Just let Peer play tennis and leave politics out of it. :)There's actually a very good reason for protesters to ASK that she be forced to withdraw. They get much more media coverage this way. Would we even be discussing this if they had not? If they feel that their point is important, and there is a legal means to get that point to as many people as possible, they should use it.


I don't see that anyone has done anything wrong here. Peer certainly should play. And the protesters certainly should protest, within legal means. Protesters would be equally within their rights to ask that Venus and Serena withdraw from tournaments over US actions in Iraq. And, equally, Venus and Serena should play.

stefi62
Jan 8th, 2009, 12:49 PM
Same questions were asked a few months back for Cara and Zimbabwe... they're individuals, they're not responsible for their countries politics.

HeninFan_2008
Jan 8th, 2009, 07:28 PM
There's actually a very good reason for protesters to ASK that she be forced to withdraw. They get much more media coverage this way. Would we even be discussing this if they had not? If they feel that their point is important, and there is a legal means to get that point to as many people as possible, they should use it.


I don't see that anyone has done anything wrong here. Peer certainly should play. And the protesters certainly should protest, within legal means. Protesters would be equally within their rights to ask that Venus and Serena withdraw from tournaments over US actions in Iraq. And, equally, Venus and Serena should play.

Yeah but her brother serves in the Israeli army. If the moral question about Gaza is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing of the day, then Peer can't be let off the hook.

Ian Aberdon
Jan 8th, 2009, 08:25 PM
Shahar Peer IS NOT responsible for the Israeli Govt's actions whether you agree with their position or not. Shahar Peer IS NOT the Israeli Govt.

Leave her alone - perhaps we should harass Minto & his cronies instead.

Saralah.
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:02 PM
Yeah but her brother serves in the Israeli army. If the moral question about Gaza is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing of the day, then Peer can't be let off the hook.
He probably didn't even chose to serve in the army. I heard military service is obligatory in Israel. And even if what I heard is not true (people from Israel can tell me), Peer is not her brother, and, as said before, nor is she responsable for the decisions the government of her country is taking and therefore should not withdraw from any tournament.

OsloErik
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:21 PM
Yeah but her brother serves in the Israeli army. If the moral question about Gaza is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing of the day, then Peer can't be let off the hook.

In many, many GREAT nations, individuals must complete compulsory military service. Israel, all the Scandinavian countries, and many other European countries require military service for some amount of time.

Peer technically served in the Israeli army. I served in the Norwegian army. Being in the army has nothing to do with the decisions that LEADERS are making regarding Gaza.

By all means people can request her to withdraw, but Auckland would be shut down as a tournament if they unilaterally forced a player who entered the main draw on her ranking to withdraw for no sports-related reason. And they should be shut down if they did that.

Zweli
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:38 PM
A BIG BIG NO
Apart from that Israel has done nothing wrong in trying to protect themselves after mere provocation from the people who want them wiped off the earth.

matty
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:45 PM
Just trying to get a rise....

BartoliBabes
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:49 PM
huh?

Archer16
Jan 8th, 2009, 10:37 PM
There's actually a very good reason for protesters to ASK that she be forced to withdraw. They get much more media coverage this way. Would we even be discussing this if they had not? If they feel that their point is important, and there is a legal means to get that point to as many people as possible, they should use it.

I don't see that anyone has done anything wrong here. Peer certainly should play. And the protesters certainly should protest, within legal means. Protesters would be equally within their rights to ask that Venus and Serena withdraw from tournaments over US actions in Iraq. And, equally, Venus and Serena should play.
Even protests should have some rationale and manners in them, although there is a difference between doing something rude and stupid to breaking the law. If they did that inside the court, they should get a ban from tennis courts. The question in itself is ridiculous, and it is sad that this lunatic Minto is getting media attention.

Speaking of anti-Israeli protests that ARE over the line, I don't know if you heard of the basketball game incident in Turkey (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231167306620&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull). And the craziest thing is the ULEB rulebook forces a team to play in any such situation after the area has been cleared, so the Israeli team that was nearly lynched is likely to be the one to get a technical loss :fiery:

3Dcool
Jan 8th, 2009, 10:40 PM
She doesn't She is a tennis player. She comes to play TENNIS, and not deal with Politics. That's exactly what she said when being asked about that.

3Dcool
Jan 8th, 2009, 11:00 PM
A BIG BIG NO
Apart from that Israel has done nothing wrong in trying to protect themselves after mere provocation from the people who want them wiped off the earth.

I am glad to read your comment :)
At least in this topic there are NO stupid people.. Everyone is treating the topic seriously.

Thx.

Super_Marion
Jan 8th, 2009, 11:35 PM
I have no interest in expressing any opinion on the whole Gaza thing, but as far as the premise or proposition of this thread goes then absolutely no way.

She is a free agent competing as an athlete in the free world. (at least free in theory). She should not be prevented from doing so by rent-a-mob or hand-wringing politicians.

Play on Shahar.

fammmmedspin
Jan 8th, 2009, 11:51 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AgTiqzpXcMtwMJAj3vuan4nRB7cF?slug=ap-newzealand-peerprotest&prov=ap&type=lgns

“The sports boycott of Israel is a key part of any boycott campaign because it is much more visible than a trade or investment boycott and can have an important psychological impact,” Minto said. “We saw this with the successful sports boycotts against apartheid South Africa, which had a big impact in South Africa and around the world.”

Ridiculous idea.
1 Because she isn't responsible for her government.
2 Because any government that had thousands of missiles fired at its civilians by a hostile neighbour would be doing exactly what Israel is doing.
3 Because the Israelis are actually doing a pretty good job of limiting civilian deaths compared to anyone else who has recently been fighting their version of Hamas in Chechnya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Thailand or the Pakistan frontier provinces or fighting in the recent wars in Georgia or Sri Lanya. If you applied the logic that killing civilians in a war meant you couldn't play tennis you would have to remove most of the top ten as all the US and Russian players would be disqualified for flattening Fallujah and Grozny and repeatedly hitting the wrong targets in Afghanistan and Georgia.
Its essentially another anti-Israeli/left wing propaganda gimick from the usual sources.



3. because

Ciarán
Jan 8th, 2009, 11:53 PM
No and anyone who says yes is a dumbass :weirdo: