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SOA_MC
Dec 29th, 2008, 08:11 PM
Ana's Tournaments: Brisbane, Australian Open

Time for tennis again:bounce: I think it's appropriate a Aussie should make the thread for the Aussie swing:cool:

(1)Ana Ivanovic v Petra Kvitova
Q v Ai Sugiyama
Q v Yanina Wickmayer
(wc)Jelena Dokic v (5)Amelie Mauresmo

(3)Marion Bartoli v (wc)Monika Wejnert
Q v Alona Bondarenko
Tathiana Garbin v Sofia Arvidsson
Alisa Kleybanova v (6)Kaia Kanepi

(8)Francesca Schiavone v Olga Govortsova
Iveta Benesova v Q
Tsvetana Pironkova v Monica Niculescu
Sara Errani v (4)Daniela Hantuchova

(7)Maria Kirilenko v Samantha Stosur
(wc)Isabella Holland v Lucie Safarova
Shuai Peng v Jarmila Gajdosova
Kateryna Bondarenko v (2)Victoria Azarenka

SOA_MC
Dec 29th, 2008, 08:13 PM
Ajde Ana:rocker2:

gaviotabr
Dec 29th, 2008, 08:28 PM
Nice Audio!

Time for Aussie Ana to rock Australia once again! Ajde! :bounce:

doni1212
Dec 29th, 2008, 08:51 PM
I was just thinking that Ana will be starting her season next week!! I'm so glad the tennis season is about to begin!!

The Daviator
Dec 29th, 2008, 09:15 PM
Good luck to Ana Fierce :cool: I have good feelings about these events!

jonnyroyale_13
Dec 29th, 2008, 09:22 PM
Cheers Ana, to a healthy 2009, and to regaining your dreams. It will be even sweeter the second time. Ajde!:rocker2:

Nikkiri
Dec 30th, 2008, 08:14 AM
Aussie Ana :hearts:

Australia my fave part of the season :inlove: hope she does well. :D

Davodus
Dec 30th, 2008, 10:39 AM
i can't wait to see her in brisbane:hearts:

Dexter
Dec 31st, 2008, 10:59 AM
Me too, I can't wait for the new season to commence. I'm happy that A na starts in a lower event. Hopefully she will win and get some priceless confidence heading to Melbourne. But honestly sadly I am not confident at all... :( Ana's been way too busy in the off-season to expect a good start of the year... :unsure:

gaviotabr
Dec 31st, 2008, 11:06 AM
Me too, I can't wait for the new season to commence. I'm happy that A na starts in a lower event. Hopefully she will win and get some priceless confidence heading to Melbourne. But honestly sadly I am not confident at all... :( Ana's been way too busy in the off-season to expect a good start of the year... :unsure:

I'm with you here. I'm not expecting much.. she has been having way too many distractions ahead of the start of the new season..

gaviotabr
Dec 31st, 2008, 11:20 AM
By the way.. :lol: I don't know if this belongs here or in the off-season thread, but in Brazil's most important news web, from TV channel Globo, they are doing these card readings to see how the 2009 year will go for important people in all areas. In tennis they did it for Nadal, Federer, Sharapova and Ana! :lol: They said that Ana will shine! :p :lol: Hopefully they are right! :lol:

http://globoesporte.globo.com/Esportes/Noticias/Tenis/0,,MUL936400-15090,00.html

MagicMilan
Dec 31st, 2008, 01:27 PM
Good luck Anci, have a great start of the year :D

bruce goose
Dec 31st, 2008, 02:19 PM
By the way.. :lol: I don't know if this belongs here or in the off-season thread, but in Brazil's most important news web, from TV channel Globo, they are doing these card readings to see how the 2009 year will go for important people in all areas. In tennis they did it for Nadal, Federer, Sharapova and Ana! :lol: They said that Ana will shine! :p :lol: Hopefully they are right! :lol:

http://globoesporte.globo.com/Esportes/Noticias/Tenis/0,,MUL936400-15090,00.htmlDo you mean TAROT card readings?:rolleyes:If so,you should have posted THAT in a genius GM thread,Miss Smarty Pants:nerner:....:smooch:

gaviotabr
Dec 31st, 2008, 03:00 PM
Do you mean TAROT card readings?:rolleyes:If so,you should have posted THAT in a genius GM thread,Miss Smarty Pants:nerner:....:smooch:

Yes, tarot card reading. Not that I particularly believe in these things.. but I definitely hope they are right! :lol::lol::lol:

bad_angel_109
Jan 1st, 2009, 02:20 PM
Isnt Ana gonna play in Sydney? I thought she was? Taking a week's break before the AO huh? Interesting...gl to Ana in the Brissy tourney :)

Dexter
Jan 1st, 2009, 02:28 PM
For the time being she's taking a week off before the AO, but if she goes out early in Brisbane, she's going to receive a WC into Sydney tournament.

jonnyroyale_13
Jan 1st, 2009, 03:25 PM
if she is already playing Paris then shes got a long schedule ahead -
Brisbane ,Sydney(wc?) ,Australian Open(2wk) ,FED CUP ,Paris(?) ,Dubai

Princeza
Jan 1st, 2009, 03:34 PM
i can't wait to see her in brisbane:hearts:

I assume you'll see her for real, if so, lucky you ;)
Good luck for this new season Anci, make a shiny start!

Davodus
Jan 1st, 2009, 03:51 PM
yes provided she makes it through i will see her!
ive seen her play 6 times i think but i will never tire of it

azdaja
Jan 1st, 2009, 06:17 PM
wow, the new season begins.

first, happy new year to everyone. i hope you all had nice holidays :wavey:

then of course good luck to ana :bounce:

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Jan 1st, 2009, 06:48 PM
I guess she won't play Sydney no matter what happens in Brisbane.
She's the big favorite to win there but I'm not expecting her to do so.
Of course I will be sad with every loss.

Ana didn't commit for Paris now. She probably will play Stuttgart. She likes clay anyway.

I'm ready for the new season!

gaviotabr
Jan 1st, 2009, 09:14 PM
Oh! The Aussie season is just ahead.. it's my favorite part of the season by far. I can spend sleepless nights with a good reason, and enjoy the sunny and fun australian atmosphere. I really hope I can have as many sleepless nights as last season!

About Paris and Stuttgart.. I think Ana will play Stuttgart, and that should be wise. Clay is still her best surface, and playing Paris would be too much, considering she probably expects to do well at AO.

bruce goose
Jan 1st, 2009, 10:04 PM
Oh! The Aussie season is just ahead.. it's my favorite part of the season by far. I can spend sleepless nights with a good reason, and enjoy the sunny and fun australian atmosfere. I really hope I can have as many sleepless nights as last season!

About Paris and Stuttgart.. I think Ana will play Stuttgart, and that should be wise. Clay is still her best surface, and playing Paris would be too much, considering she probably expects to do well at AO.Let's hope that Ana can meet her high expectations...and I hope that YOU enjoy the Aussie atmos-PH-ere:nerner:,Miss Med and Soon-to-be-Law Degree

Dexter
Jan 1st, 2009, 10:05 PM
Yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up... Although it would've been a great bonus if I could see Ana in flesh again in February.

gaviotabr
Jan 1st, 2009, 10:11 PM
Let's hope that Ana can meet her high expectations...and I hope that YOU enjoy the Aussie atmos-PH-ere:nerner:,Miss Med and Soon-to-be-Law Degree

Aiss thank you Bruce! I knew there was something wrong and couldn't point it out! :lol:

Adrian1092
Jan 1st, 2009, 10:52 PM
Yeah I'm hoping Ana can recover some of her form. I'm not expecting much, but hopefully she can make at least the semis in Brisbane and then get ready for the AO

bruce goose
Jan 2nd, 2009, 02:10 AM
Aiss thank you Bruce! I knew there was something wrong and couldn't point it out! :lol::smooch::wavey:

bad_angel_109
Jan 2nd, 2009, 06:57 AM
Just saw a lil' snippet of Ana practicing on the courts on channel ten news, sports section. I cringed when the presenter/voice-over guy called her "Anna" :ras: Anyway Ana said that the new Brissy tennis centre was "one of the prettiest stadiums". :)

Ajde Ana!

Davodus
Jan 2nd, 2009, 09:10 AM
she came out to practice after i left :mad:

Nikkiri
Jan 2nd, 2009, 09:39 AM
I saw her on the news too, she looked fit and ready to go :D

gaviotabr
Jan 2nd, 2009, 03:36 PM
There are 2 nice articles about Ana today in the Australian press, with new quotes:

Ana gets marriage proposal

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24866982-5012689,00.html

Djokovic leaves spotlight for Ana

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,24866732-2722,00.html

This last one has some interesting insight about Ana's misfortunes with injury last year:

Ivanovic, runner-up to Maria Sharapova in Melbourne last year, would dearly love to add the Australian Open to the French Open title she won in May.

In an interview with The Australian from her base in Noosa, she said she was treading a more careful path this year after her 2008 was plagued by thumb and a mystery abdominal injuries.

"I've had quite a few injuries over the years, but for sure, this is the most frustrating (year)," Ivanovic said.

"And that was not only because it came during the most important part of the season (just after Wimbledon), but because none of the doctors were able to diagnose it properly," she said of the lower abdomen muscle injury.

"It was only when my specialist osteopath looked at it that we discovered what the real problem was."

Former world No 1 Kim Clijsters retired at 23 due to continuing injuries, saying she did not want to be in pain for the rest of her post-tennis life. And reigning Australian Open champion Maria Sharapova, who is the same age as Ivanovic, has only returned to practice in the past three weeks after shoulder surgery in October.

Ivanovic is certain she is not going down the path of having her career stalled or shortened by injury.

"I am a very positive person and on the bright side I've not missed any Grand Slams since I turned professional, so things could have gone a lot worse," she said. "But I picked up the thumb injury from practising too hard. I was so motivated after Wimbledon. I was No 1 and I had a few weeks' preparation and was excited about the rest of the season.

"But I overdid it and I paid the price. So in this way I have learned not to make that same mistake again."

Ksenia.
Jan 2nd, 2009, 07:08 PM
Anyone knows when will we get Brisbane draw out? :) cant' wait :banana:

Nikkiri
Jan 2nd, 2009, 07:10 PM
The draw is being made today (Saturday) at 12pm :D

Dexter
Jan 2nd, 2009, 07:12 PM
As long as all the qualifiers and WCs are away I'm fine. :tape: She always struggles with them. :tape:

Ksenia.
Jan 2nd, 2009, 07:17 PM
The draw is being made today (Saturday) at 12pm :Dthank you :)

gaviotabr
Jan 2nd, 2009, 07:20 PM
As long as all the qualifiers and WCs are away I'm fine. :tape: She always struggles with them. :tape:

Julie Coin can still qualify.. :tape::help::lol:

Seriously though.. Ana has to learn how to deal with WCs and Qualifiers.. it seems that she lets her intensity down.

Dexter
Jan 2nd, 2009, 07:23 PM
I'd go even further and say she has some kind of complex... Seriously can't be a coincidence.

gaviotabr
Jan 2nd, 2009, 07:26 PM
By the way, it seems that Ana had a very good practice in Brisbane.

From Alicia Rocks in GM:

Ivanovic also training on centre court, was hitting very hard and clean was very impressed I must say! Fingers crossed she keeps it up in matches...

And from the first article I posted above:

Ivanovic, who hopes to go one round further than her Australian Open final loss to Maria Sharapova last year, hit balls for an hour and looked very sharp to gladden the hearts of organisers.

Let's hope she is even sharper in matches!

gaviotabr
Jan 2nd, 2009, 07:29 PM
I'd go even further and say she has some kind of complex... Seriously can't be a coincidence.

Uff.. well might be! But what a weird complex! I mean.. she should feel that those are matches she should win, and that should give her more confidence and not more pressure.

Dexter
Jan 2nd, 2009, 07:34 PM
Of course good to hear that, but practise sessions don't win you matches. Ana's level of play depends heavily on her confidence and she needs to gain in next week in Brisbane.

gaviotabr
Jan 2nd, 2009, 07:36 PM
Of course good to hear that, but practise sessions don't win you matches. Ana's level of play depends heavily on her confidence and she needs to gain in next week in Brisbane.

Yes! Though I have to admit that I'm afraid that if she wins Brisbane she will suck at AO. :sobbing:

Dexter
Jan 2nd, 2009, 07:38 PM
Could be, but I'm convinced that she'll suck at AO if she sucks in Brisbane. :lol: As we say here, better a sparrow in your hand than a pigeon on the roof.

gaviotabr
Jan 2nd, 2009, 07:51 PM
Could be, but I'm convinced that she'll suck at AO if she sucks in Brisbane. :lol: As we say here, better a sparrow in your hand than a pigeon on the roof.

True! :lol::lol::lol:

SOA_MC
Jan 2nd, 2009, 11:31 PM
90 minutes till the draw:banana:

Ksenia.
Jan 2nd, 2009, 11:35 PM
90 minutes till the draw:banana:that's exiting :bounce: but it's 1:30 am here :sobbing: to go to bed or not to go, that is the question :lol:

gaviotabr
Jan 2nd, 2009, 11:39 PM
I'll wait for the draw until about 0:30 here. It's 21:39 right now.. so I have some time. I hope they release the draw as soon as it's done.

gaviotabr
Jan 3rd, 2009, 02:34 AM
No draw yet? :sobbing: I'm totally sleeping here..

SOA_MC
Jan 3rd, 2009, 04:41 AM
Ana's Quarter

(1)Ana Ivanovic v Petra Kvitova
Q v Ai Sugiyama
Q v Yanina Wickmayer
(wc)Jelena Dokic v (5)Amelie Mauresmo

Full main draw in post #1

dybbuk
Jan 3rd, 2009, 05:28 AM
Will those two ever stop playing each other? :o

Nikkiri
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:05 AM
Ana should have no problems with Petra but well Ana likes to make things difficult :) :lol:

Davodus
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:31 AM
ana was on the news tonight
she did a photoshoot on the river today
she looked :hearts:

SOA_MC
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:43 AM
ana was on the news tonight
she did a photoshoot on the river today
she looked :hearts:

Yeah I saw that to:drool: it might have been the best I've ever seen look and that's saying something:eek:

Nikkiri
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:49 AM
OMG I missed it :(

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:53 AM
Of course good to hear that, but practise sessions don't win you matches.

No, but in Ana's case it's mostly a good indicator.
Looking back, most practise sessions I've seen are the same as the matches.

Draw is not important here. Only dangerous player is Azarenka here and it was already known that she's at the other side.
I would love it if she can improve her record against Amelie.

Ksenia.
Jan 3rd, 2009, 09:27 AM
The draw looks fine to me :) Good luck Ana!

Dexter
Jan 3rd, 2009, 10:49 AM
That's a challenging draw. :scared: When is her first match tomorrow or on Sunday night?

Nikkiri
Jan 3rd, 2009, 10:51 AM
I think her first match is on Monday night. :)

Dexter
Jan 3rd, 2009, 10:52 AM
Ok, I've found it... Monday night, which is Monday in the morning here... Coolies, at worst I'll skip a boring class.

Princeza
Jan 3rd, 2009, 11:45 AM
(1)Ana Ivanovic v (wc)Jelena Dokic


:inlove: How awesome it would be.


Ok, I've found it... Monday night, which is Monday in the morning here... Coolies, at worst I'll skip a boring class.

Very bad:p

Dexter
Jan 3rd, 2009, 12:07 PM
Very bad:pMais non! I've been a good boy and attended most classes this term. :angel:

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Jan 3rd, 2009, 12:53 PM
Ok, I've found it... Monday night, which is Monday in the morning here... Coolies, at worst I'll skip a boring class.

That's the way to start 2009 :devil:

Dinayer
Jan 4th, 2009, 01:01 AM
Good Draw, Ajde Ana!! :D

Marilyn Monheaux
Jan 4th, 2009, 01:14 AM
I'm so excited:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:
I'm suffering severe tennis withdrawl:lol: The only live tennis I had was Murray vs Nadal today via some shitty livestream:o
Anyway, I hope Ana is able to "come out swinging" and wins this tourney!:drool:

Does anybody know where I can watch it? TV Channels livestreams? (Sorry if it has been posted but I'm too lazy to look at the previous 4 pages :angel:)

DownTheLine21
Jan 4th, 2009, 04:24 AM
I'm so excited. Her return is nearly upon us!

Dexter
Jan 4th, 2009, 08:52 AM
CENTRE COURT
Starting At: 10:30 AM

1. Sugiyama vs Stosur
2. ATP
3. Dokic vs Mauresmo
4. -
5. Ivanović vs Kvitova (Not Before 7:00 PM)
6. ATP

It's 10am CET, right?

Ksenia.
Jan 4th, 2009, 09:36 AM
It's 10am CET, right?
Yeah I think so... too bad, I am in school at this time :sobbing:

Dexter
Jan 4th, 2009, 09:52 AM
Since you're Russian don't you have holidays for Orthodox Xmas, Niya?

gaviotabr
Jan 4th, 2009, 09:54 AM
So.. the qualifiers have been placed :tape: and this is Ana's section of the draw:

1 IVANOVIC, Ana SRB
2 KVITOVA, Petra CZE

3 Q GROENEFELD, Anna-Lena GER
4 Q VINCI, Roberta ITA

5 LL COIN, Julie FRA
6 WICKMAYER, Yanina BEL

7 WC DOKIC, Jelena AUS
8 MAURESMO, Amelie FRA

So Ana better learn how to deal with qualifiers! :help::lol:

Dexter
Jan 4th, 2009, 09:56 AM
A prospect of Ana playing ALG scares me a bit, although she has beaten her on hard when she was in somewhat of a slump (even though she won Montreal a week later, but it was clearly a flash in the pan).

gaviotabr
Jan 4th, 2009, 10:01 AM
A prospect of Ana playing ALG scares me a bit, although she has beaten her on hard when she was in somewhat of a slump (even though she won Montreal a week later, but it was clearly a flash in the pan).

Yes.. me too. I mean.. Anna-Lena is a big server and Ana usually have troubles with return against that kind of player. Let's think of the first match first, but in case they meet Ana needs to be fully focused so she won't give points away with UEs.

Nikkiri
Jan 4th, 2009, 10:13 AM
Coin :rolls:

gaviotabr
Jan 4th, 2009, 10:23 AM
Coin :rolls:

Imagine if she was in Anna-Lena's place! :tape:

Though I would like them to play again.. with Ana winning of course! :lol:

Ksenia.
Jan 4th, 2009, 10:24 AM
Since you're Russian don't you have holidays for Orthodox Xmas, Niya?I live in Estonia, which is lutheran (catholic), so no holidays next week :sobbing: unfortunately :lol:


ALG :tape: Doesn't sound good but let's hope everything will be just fine ;)

Dexter
Jan 4th, 2009, 10:35 AM
I live in Estonia, which is lutheran (catholic), so no holidays next week :sobbing: unfortunately :lol:I know, but I hoped Russians make a rebellion and celebrate как следует :p

gaviotabr
Jan 4th, 2009, 01:18 PM
Wow! Is this true?

Australian Open finalist Ana Ivanovic is likely to be without a coach at Melbourne Park this month, having decided not to continue with Sven Groeneveld, the mentor provided by her apparel sponsor.

Groeneveld had worked with Ivanovic at recent grand slams, but had to stand aside for matches involving other clients of the sponsor.


http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/tennis/wouldbe-aussie-shows-the-way/2009/01/04/1231003848432.html

Dexter
Jan 4th, 2009, 01:21 PM
Wow, that's something new. Would be a big shame if let Sven go. :( Also doesn't bode well for AO if she's gonna be there without a coach.

Nikkiri
Jan 4th, 2009, 01:22 PM
Oh dear :unsure:

gaviotabr
Jan 4th, 2009, 01:30 PM
Wow, that's something new. Would be a big shame if let Sven go. :( Also doesn't bode well for AO if she's gonna be there without a coach.

Yes.. that's what I was thinking... Ana needs a coach o help her out.. to improve and work on tatics. I hope that if this is indeed true, she does find another coach soon. She has always said that she liked the relationship with Sven because she didn't like full time coaches.. I'm afraid she will decide to be only with Scott and Melle, neither of them is a tennis coach. And she definitely needs one.

Marilyn Monheaux
Jan 4th, 2009, 01:32 PM
No!!!:eek:
She has to continue with Sven!!! He helped her sooo much:sad:
She is a great player but she needs a coach - and with that I mean she needs Sven!
Scott can keep her fit but Sven helps her develop a plan B, C,...

gaviotabr
Jan 4th, 2009, 01:39 PM
I've read in danish press that Sven will probably be mainly with Caroline Wozniacki from now on. Maybe that has something to do with it? Or maybe he accepted it because he had already parted ways with Ana?

I remember reading one of Ana's pressers in Doha saying that she had thought aboout getting a new full time coach, but at the end decided to continue working with Sven and get a full time hitting partner. Wonder what could have changed in the off-season..

Dexter
Jan 4th, 2009, 01:52 PM
Well we don't know any insides of this story. My theory is that when Ana's had this slump last summer & fall and a few things didn't work as well as she would hope, she could've put some blame on Sven and an argument might've occured. We can't be sure, but there were rumours that this is how her work with Taylor has ended. I think Sven might've not appreciated Ana's off court various activities. These are my only meaningless suspicions.

gaviotabr
Jan 4th, 2009, 01:57 PM
Well we don't know any insides of this story. My theory is that when Ana's had this slump last summer & fall and a few things didn't work as well as she would hope, she could've put some blame on Sven and an argument might've occured. We can't be sure, but there were rumours that this is how her work with Taylor has ended. I think Sven might've not appreciated Ana's off court various activities. These are my only meaningless suspicions.

Yes... might be.. we can only speculate.. I guess we are going to have some more insight into that in the coming days. I just hope she ends up finding a coach. Ana needs one to keep improving, especially regarding tactics.

Ksenia.
Jan 4th, 2009, 02:25 PM
Didn't see this coming... but why? :shrug:

MagicMilan
Jan 4th, 2009, 02:59 PM
Quite a shocker :eek:
I thought that Sven was getting along fine with Ana, shame they won't continue to work anymore :sad:

bruce goose
Jan 4th, 2009, 03:09 PM
Yes.. that's what I was thinking... Ana needs a coach o help her out.. to improve and work on tatics. I hope that if this is indeed true, she does find another coach soon. She has always said that she liked the relationship with Sven because she didn't like full time coaches.. I'm afraid she will decide to be only with Scott and Melle, neither of them is a tennis coach. And she definitely needs one.Yes,indeed;things COULD get quite ugly but the AO will provide an excellent test on how well Ana can function w/o a coach....RG would be the ultimate proof if she struggled badly on her favorite Slam surface

gaviotabr
Jan 4th, 2009, 03:14 PM
Yes,indeed;things COULD get quite ugly but the AO will provide an excellent test on how well Ana can function w/o a coach....RG would be the ultimate proof if she struggled badly on her favorite Slam surface

I truly hope she has a coach by Roland Garros.. :unsure::scared:

MarieC
Jan 4th, 2009, 03:55 PM
This is surprising. But she definitely needs a coach. Working with Scott and a hitting partner isn't going to be enough

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Jan 4th, 2009, 06:26 PM
What I saw in Zurich wasn't a coincidence as it looks now.
Spend already a lot of time with Caro there.

Of course Ana can still beat anyone without a coach.
I actually won't be surprised if you don't see much difference about Ana now.
Sven made her stronger but probably can't solve the weaknesses that are still there.

Ana does need someone, but it's hard to say who's the right person.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Jan 4th, 2009, 06:28 PM
CENTRE COURT
Starting At: 10:30 AM

1. Sugiyama vs Stosur
2. ATP
3. Dokic vs Mauresmo
4. -
5. Ivanović vs Kvitova (Not Before 7:00 PM)
6. ATP

It's 10am CET, right?

If you skip class, then can I have your service again?
Ana and I are working at the same time.

The Daviator
Jan 4th, 2009, 06:37 PM
Sven is a brilliant coach, so this a bad news :( I agree with IF, he made her stronger but couldn't help with the weaknesses, to be honest, in a lot of Ana's matches in the last half of last year he looked kinda annoyed/frustrated in the stands :unsure: Maybe that's just me, I think Ana is a tough player to coach because of her game, but she does need someone for support.

Did JJ have a coach last year until Sanchez came along?

Reckoner
Jan 4th, 2009, 06:54 PM
I don't like this one bit.

I think if you're struggling the last thing you need to do is drop someone who can help improve your game.

But who knows. Maybe she'll start playing better.

All I know is that her first match is at 3 am for me. :(

Marilyn Monheaux
Jan 4th, 2009, 07:03 PM
^^3am is kinda rough! I feel for you:hug:
I think the match starts for me at 10 or 11am and monday and tuesday are my last free days, so she better plays good so I can enjoy the match:)

On another note: Does anybody know if it's official that she split with Sven?:sad:

Dexter
Jan 4th, 2009, 07:46 PM
If you skip class, then can I have your service again?
Ana and I are working at the same time.Sure, but I must leave at 12, so I hope the match will be over by then.

Reckoner
Jan 4th, 2009, 08:59 PM
So does anyone know if this match will be available online?

I don't want to get up to find out its not.

gaviotabr
Jan 4th, 2009, 09:43 PM
So does anyone know if this match will be available online?

I don't want to get up to find out its not.

I have no idea. It seems that the night matches are not going to be on Australian TV..

The match is going to be at 7 am here, and I have to leave at 8 am. Will Ana be kind to me and be finished in 1 hour? :cool:

SOA_MC
Jan 4th, 2009, 09:47 PM
Isn't Sven also working with Mirza?

It could be as simple as Ana thinks Sven has to many other players on the books now to have enough time to help her improve

gaviotabr
Jan 4th, 2009, 09:51 PM
Isn't Sven also working with Mirza?

It could be as simple as Ana thinks Sven has to many other players on the books now to have enough time to help her improve

Might be... in any case, if she is parting from Sven, IMO she should find another coach. She is still a developing player.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Jan 4th, 2009, 10:33 PM
Isn't Sven also working with Mirza?

It could be as simple as Ana thinks Sven has to many other players on the books now to have enough time to help her improve

She knew that from the begining so that's no excuse.

I'm not sure if Sven can develop Ana more now. He brought her this far and it's hard to say if he can do more.
Ana is certainly not done with her game, but probably she needs someone else for this.

But I do believe that Ana can miss his support during matches.
On TV you barely see a thing of what he really does.
I don't know the rules exactly, but I'm not sure if it's allowed this way.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Jan 5th, 2009, 12:02 AM
Sure, but I must leave at 12, so I hope the match will be over by then.

Me too. Thanks

SOA_MC
Jan 5th, 2009, 12:38 AM
She knew that from the begining so that's no excuse.

What worked then, doesn't work so well now:shrug: Things have changed for Ana since she first started working with Sven

Sven is a great coach bit Ana is looking for a full time coach, Ana 21 years old a top 5 player who hasn't reached anywhere near her full potential, she will have a choice of top coaches who want to coach her full time

SOA_MC
Jan 5th, 2009, 12:51 AM
The ranking points have changed to the 09' system http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/rankings/singles_numeric.asp

gaviotabr
Jan 5th, 2009, 12:52 AM
What worked then, doesn't work so well now:shrug: Things have changed for Ana since she first started working with Sven

Sven is a great coach bit Ana is looking for a full time coach, Ana 21 years old a top 5 player who hasn't reached anywhere near her full potential, she will have a choice of top coaches who want to coach her full time

I wonder who could work with Ana... I don't really know many coaches..

bad_angel_109
Jan 5th, 2009, 03:31 AM
I seriously cant believe that channel 7 arent gonna air Ana's match! :mad: I mean they have crap shows on at night anyway, lol. even if it was delayed (more than likely) for 30 mins, i'd still watch it. much better watching it at like 11.30 at night or something. They could air it at 7.30pm, right after 'how i met your mother', i love that show. :D

SOA_MC
Jan 5th, 2009, 04:55 AM
Livestream link maybe for tonight http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-wabsg-1.html

Dexter
Jan 5th, 2009, 10:54 AM
1 down, 4 to go. Ana beats Petra for the 3rd time - 64 62. :yeah:

Davodus
Jan 5th, 2009, 11:13 AM
nice win for ana :)

Nikkiri
Jan 5th, 2009, 12:53 PM
Showing the rust of a lengthy off-season, which included a fortnight of preparation on the Sunshine Coast, Ivanovic had trouble with her ball toss throughout.

After enjoying a pre-match chat with Pat Rafter, she admitted afterwards she considered yelling out “Sorry mate” Rafter-style several times to Kvitovic but roused at herself to focus.

“I had to fight for each point (but) it was good in the first match of the year. You want to get into your rhythm,” Ivanovic said.

Ball toss :tape:

Dexter
Jan 5th, 2009, 12:55 PM
Kvitovic... :tape:

Nikkiri
Jan 5th, 2009, 12:56 PM
Kvitovic... :tape:

Oh dear :crying2:

Nikkiri
Jan 5th, 2009, 12:57 PM
Verdasco won his match by the same score as Ana :p

H.M.PoweredMan
Jan 5th, 2009, 02:05 PM
From The Times website:

Ana Ivanovic, the Serbian who reached No.1 in the world when she won the French Open title last May, has decided to work apart from Sven Groeneveld, formerly coach to Greg Rusedski, who oversaw a squad of players who wear adidas clothing. Ivanovic will continue to work with Scott Byrnes, her fitness trainer, and has no immediate plans to appoint a new coach.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article5448559.ece

So it's definite then? :sad:

gaviotabr
Jan 5th, 2009, 03:18 PM
From The Times website:



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article5448559.ece

So it's definite then? :sad:

Aiss.. No plans to appoint a coach? Ana!

gaviotabr
Jan 5th, 2009, 03:19 PM
Good win for a first match! Now Vinci! :bounce:

Ksenia.
Jan 5th, 2009, 03:20 PM
Nice win, the scoreline is quite solid :) Good luck against Vinci

But "has no immediate plans to appoint a new coach" :tape: This doesn't sound right

bruce goose
Jan 5th, 2009, 04:12 PM
Good win for a first match! Now Vinci! :bounce:Vinci is not as TALENTED as Kvitova but,IMO,is a more dangerous opponent.Ana is 2-0 H2H but that's hardly a guarantee of victory;we'll see how she adjusts to a scrappy serve-and-volley type

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Jan 5th, 2009, 04:14 PM
But "has no immediate plans to appoint a new coach" :tape: This doesn't sound right

But that's just Ana.
She said many times that she doesn't want a full time coach.
But she also says many times who much she learns from all the people she works with. It's hard to figure Ana out.
I don't know if she ever gives someone the chance to bring out all her potential.
I want the best for her, but she needs to be comfortable as well.

6-4 6-2 win. Score is nice, but can't say anything about the match.
Gladly Vinci is next. May never be a problem for her.

azdaja
Jan 5th, 2009, 04:53 PM
i think it's always nice to start a new season with a win, so well done ana :D

The Daviator
Jan 5th, 2009, 05:00 PM
Well done Ana :D She shouldn't have too much trouble from Vinci, and then Coin/Mauresmo :drool:

DownTheLine21
Jan 5th, 2009, 05:29 PM
Good win. It seems that it was a slightly nervous match, but the scoreline is good enough.

luv_sweetAna
Jan 5th, 2009, 06:06 PM
From The Times website:



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article5448559.ece

So it's definite then? :sad:

Sven helped her improve her tennis so much. :sad: Not sure if jumping from coach to coach is the right way to go. Like IvanovicFan said, never sticking with a coach for a solid amount of time may never bring out all of her potential.

dybbuk
Jan 5th, 2009, 08:05 PM
Yay. Straight set win is great for her to start off with. Vinci should be quite easy I would think. Then from what I saw of Mauresmo yesterday she isn't playing very impressive tennis. One match at a time though, ajde, Ana. :dance:

gaviotabr
Jan 5th, 2009, 08:14 PM
Yay. Straight set win is great for her to start off with. Vinci should be quite easy I would think. Then from what I saw of Mauresmo yesterday she isn't playing very impressive tennis. One match at a time though, ajde, Ana. :dance:

I also saw the Dokic-Mauresmo match. I thought Mauresmo managed to win out of experience, patience and Dokic not being confident enough in her game. Jelena was overpowering Amelie and dictating every rally.

I hope Ana gets confidence from this straight sets win and improves. Especially her second serve... But I was quite happy to see that she was taking her opportunities, fighting for every point and managing to get the games, even though they were hard fought. I think that shows some focus and concentration from her part. I always thought that in the second half of last year, Ana was creating opportunities, but just once she missed some she would totally lose focus.. which led to a loss. It seems that today it was the oppositte. With all the deuces, break points against and break points lost, she didn't let it take away her concentration and kept her head in the game and fighting. I think that could be a good sign.

Said that, she definitely has a long way to go until AO. She needs to get more first serves in and find an effective second serve. Work on that ball toss that I've read was quite wild and just get match rhythm.

gaviotabr
Jan 5th, 2009, 10:30 PM
Nothing really new.. but something on Ana and Sven parting ways:

http://www.tennistribune.nl/pagina/voorpagina/20306/ivanovic-breekt-met-sven-groeneveld

With google translator helping:

Ivanovic breaks with Sven Groeneveld
Monday, January 5 20:53 - Abe Kuijl
Ana Ivanovic no longer follows the advice of the Dutch coach Sven Groeneveld. The 21-year-old Serb was tired of not full-time assistance from a trainer. That report Bob Larson's Tennis News. Groeneveld, employed by Adidas, supports multiple players and players on the professional circuit.

Ivanovic often knew exactly where they could use the services of Groeneveld, since the Serb in a tournament should only supervise when they are not against any other player of the Adidas group played. Saillant was Groeneveld Ivanovic played in her two Roland Garros finals could not help. Both Justine Henin (2007) and Dinara Safina (2008) also played in the German tennis outfits of clothing.

Ivanovic 'fitness trainer Scott Byrnes, the next time to find a suitable successor to Groeneveld.

The Daviator
Jan 5th, 2009, 10:35 PM
Sven knows Ana's game inside out, so when she gets a new clothing contract, the whole adidas crew will know how to beat her :o

gaviotabr
Jan 6th, 2009, 12:19 AM
Sven knows Ana's game inside out, so when she gets a new clothing contract, the whole adidas crew will know how to beat her :o

Had not thought about it... :o

Ana needs to find a good coach!

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 6th, 2009, 01:36 AM
Sven knows Ana's game inside out, so when she gets a new clothing contract, the whole adidas crew will know how to beat her :o

didnt even think about that :o well when she comes into her true GOAT form it won't matter ;)

jelenacg
Jan 6th, 2009, 11:16 AM
:wavey:
I had trouble with my computer for a few days but now i`m back
She won a first match ,that`s good but i`m shocked no Sven:eek::eek:
When is her next match?

Nikkiri
Jan 6th, 2009, 01:07 PM
Ana is the night match again :( so probably no stream again. :rolleyes:


1. Coin vs. Mauresmo
2. ATP: Gulbis vs. Mathieu
3. ATP: Nieminen vs. Tsonga
4. Ivanovic vs. Vinci (NB 19.00hrs)
5. ATP: Nishikori vs. Berdych

dybbuk
Jan 6th, 2009, 01:09 PM
Ugh. :rolleyes: I can't stay up until 3 in the morning!

SOA_MC
Jan 6th, 2009, 01:10 PM
I'm not sure about Ana having night matches all tournament, Ana needs a day match in the heat to climatise to conditions she'll face at the AO

Dexter
Jan 6th, 2009, 02:12 PM
I hate that there's no stream, but at least it means I get a full night of sleep. :zzz:

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 6th, 2009, 02:26 PM
i can't stay up that late to watch ana :o and its not like she's always going to get night matches at the AO...give her a day match plz!!!!

-NAJ-
Jan 6th, 2009, 02:29 PM
Serbian Tv B 92 will show Ana's match.
They don't have live streaming for normal b92 Tv only for b92INFO

gaviotabr
Jan 6th, 2009, 03:00 PM
Some more about the split from Sven:

Ana Ivanovic starts 2009 quest without a coach
By Karl deKroo
January 07, 2009 12:00am

SERBIAN Ana Ivanovic says starting 2009 without a recognised coach won't derail her quest to build on her stunning ascent to the peak of women's tennis.

Despite capturing her first grand slam title at Roland Garros in 2008 and making the Australian Open final in the same year, Ivanovic has made the bold decision to split with coach Sven Groeneveld.

Pictures: Serbia's Ana Ivanovic
She is going it alone at the Brisbane International, her entourage made up of a hitting partner and fitness coach.

"I don't have a coach at the moment, just a sparring partner here with me," Ivanovic said.

"He has been hitting with me since the end of December, and my fitness coach as well.

"I have great trust in both of them and I mainly focus on my game and what we have been working on in the off-season.

"I feel I also have more experience. I have played with most of the girls now and it is something I can draw on and trust myself and my instincts when I go on court."



http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24881799-5016380,00.html

I really hope that Ana thinks about it again.. she needs someone to help her improve her game. She is still a very raw player.. and going alone, only trusting in her instincts will not make her improve. Especially since she is not the most tactically savy player. I'm not very confident about it.. :help:

gaviotabr
Jan 6th, 2009, 03:06 PM
And I also hope she gets a day match to feel the heat and the conditions she will face in the Australian Open. But with the seeds falling and Stosur losing today, I don't know who else could get the night match.

jelenacg
Jan 6th, 2009, 07:27 PM
Tomorrow i`m finally going to see her playing :)
I hope her serve improves through the tournament
As for the coach she can`t find a new coach so quickly it will take time and probably no coach at AO :tape::help:
I`m very concerned about that

bruce goose
Jan 6th, 2009, 07:45 PM
Tomorrow i`m finally going to see her playing :)

As for the coach she can`t find a new coach so quickly it will take time and probably no coach at AO :tape::help:
I`m very concerned about thatMe too:hug:;it's a little disturbing that Ana considers herself poised enough to maintain top-level play w/o a coach.I'm not gonna blame him w/o any evidence,but I hope that 'Nando didn't plant that idea in her head.He pro'bly didn't b/c she seemed to be leaning that way last year anyhow...though it's hard to say.There ARE certain,veteran players who flourish w/o full-time coaching,yet I don't believe that Ana has attained that level of on-court maturity at this point for the MAJOR tourneys--hopefully she proves me DEAD wrong.......Enjoy watching the match:smooch::wavey:

Reckoner
Jan 6th, 2009, 08:24 PM
Ugh. :rolleyes: I can't stay up until 3 in the morning!

I'm in the same time zone too.

I really want to see this match, but I got to get up at 7.

gaviotabr
Jan 6th, 2009, 08:48 PM
Some more about Sven (From Tennis reporters . net):

top seed Ana Ivanovic bested Petra Kvitova 6-4, 6-2. There’s big news out of the AI camp though when it was reported by Neil Harman that she’s parting ways with her main coach, Adidas’ head of player development, Sven Groenefeld. But Ivanovic's camp says that the two could re-united in Melbourne, but also says that the Aussie Open finalist is 'enjoying the freedom of being on her own.'

I guess Ana might still request Sven's coaching services in tournaments, like every adidas player. But he won't mainly work with her and travel with her as before.

doni1212
Jan 6th, 2009, 10:42 PM
I'm in the same time zone too.

I really want to see this match, but I got to get up at 7.

Me too, :sad:
I'll wake up at 3 for the AO though, :yeah:

Dexter
Jan 6th, 2009, 10:55 PM
Actually it looks like there's gonna be a livestream on bet365.com! :D

Just Do It
Jan 6th, 2009, 11:04 PM
B92 is showing Ana tomorrow.

http://delicast.com/tv/Serbia/TV_B92 Just click on ; TV B92. they have two channels, hopefully they will show tennis on this stream tomorrow.

DownTheLine21
Jan 7th, 2009, 01:04 AM
I feel very good about her chances against Vinci. And I hope Coin wins as well. I need Ana to play her again.

Langers
Jan 7th, 2009, 02:05 AM
I feel very good about her chances against Vinci. And I hope Coin wins as well. I need Ana to play her again.
Agreed, would be great to see Ana completely wipe her off the court. :devil:

Langers
Jan 7th, 2009, 02:05 AM
Tomorrow i`m finally going to see her playing :)
I hope her serve improves through the tournament
As for the coach she can`t find a new coach so quickly it will take time and probably no coach at AO :tape::help:
I`m very concerned about that
I'm so behind, what's happened to Sven????

jonnyroyale_13
Jan 7th, 2009, 03:04 AM
I gave up on waiting for the Ivanovic/Kvitova to be uploaded, i guess it wasnt televised?:confused: Not a good start to be 0 for 1 on video. But at least Ana took care of business in straight sets to start the year, although she was 8 of 10 on break pts saved, thats a bunch of close service games.
Dont you all worry about the coaching situation. Im going to send Ana my resume in the morning;)

The Daviator
Jan 7th, 2009, 04:18 AM
So close to having a chance to avenge the Coin loss :( Have to say, I've grown to like Julie after hating her after NY :tape: :lol: She's a fine player and I think more people can see that Ana didn't just lose to some fluke.

Mauresmo it is in the QFs, if she can take down Roberta of course :p

luv_sweetAna
Jan 7th, 2009, 04:20 AM
Seriously, what is she smoking? :scratch: Just beacuse she's played with most of the girls doesn't mean she can walk all alone. She still has major work to do on her tennis, why is she in denial? :tape:

Not confident about her chances in the AO.

On a side note, damn, we almost got the revenge we wanted. Mauresmo barely got through Coin. :fiery:

dybbuk
Jan 7th, 2009, 04:39 AM
I think we should give her a break. Ana does know herself better than we do, and we need to give her the benefit of the doubt that she is doing what's best for herself. She 1-0 right now, so we have no room to complain as of yet. And besides, it's not like she will be completely on her own. She's still an Adidas player and Sven is under contract to give her whatever help she may ask for.

Dexter
Jan 7th, 2009, 11:42 AM
2nd win under Ana's belt. 67(4) 75 61. (2 MPs saved)

I'm exhausted...

Dexter
Jan 7th, 2009, 11:54 AM
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=14713484#post14713484

Please vote for Ana in PYW!

luv_sweetAna
Jan 7th, 2009, 12:01 PM
I'm exhausted too. Only the second match of the year and she's already saving MPs. Maybe my heart won't survive the whole season. :lol:

Ksenia.
Jan 7th, 2009, 12:35 PM
OMG :tape: I'm glad I didn't watch it :lol:

dybbuk
Jan 7th, 2009, 01:38 PM
LOL. A win is a win at least. At least she's getting out of these tight situations, more than we could say at the end of last year. Time to pick it up, Ana. :)

jelenacg
Jan 7th, 2009, 01:39 PM
I'm exhausted too :)
The main problem today was her serve and ball toss :help::help: The worst i`ve ever seen
I don`t remember Ana ever had so many little arguments with the umpire like today,linesmen are totally blind
I think it will be good for her confidence, although i don`t want more matches like this
Her shot selection was very bad today ,but i guess its always like that in the begining of the season
She looked calm and focus through the whole match even when she was loosing ,like she believed that she can win this match
Don`t know what to think about her next match against Amelie Mauresmo,did anybody see her match against Coin,how is she playing

Dexter
Jan 7th, 2009, 01:45 PM
The problem is that it's completely irrevelant how Ana's opponent plays. She is the one dictating the play. Amelie won't bother her (she was dreadful against Dokić, didn't watch the match vs Coin today), unless she takes something that would make her play like in 2006. The only players than can challenge Ana if she plays somewhat decent are Bartoli (only if she has this sort of purple patch like she had at Wimbledon 2 years ago though) or Safarova, but I can't even remember when she had a day on against a top player (probably against Janković at Wimbledon 2 years ago). So I can confidently say that Ana can't be beaten here in Brisbane, but she might well lose it to anyone. We saw the example today.

jonnyroyale_13
Jan 7th, 2009, 02:59 PM
results like this in the first tournament arent such a big deal, but if its like this in AO we got problems. I hope to be able to watch all 2 hours and 38 min of this tennis clinic:help: tonight after work.
Kick Momo's ass :shout:ajde!!

Langers
Jan 7th, 2009, 03:20 PM
A few thoughts from the match...

* Extremely lucky to win, obviously, saving two match points and playing extremely poor for about 100 minutes.

* Horrendous ball toss which effected her serve and confidence big time. You could see it was really bothering her for a while. Generally got better as the match wore on but played up a bit in the latter stages.

* Same old Ana on the return of serve. Instead of actually being sensible and just trying to start the rally, she'll go for too much and hit it out. Ridiculous, obviously will never change and it's one of these things I'll just have to put up with. She could be a lot better and have a MUCH higher break point conversion if she just played the first ball back instead of trying to hit a cold winner.

* When she's on song she's unbelievable to watch. That one game in the 1st set when Vinci was serving at 5-4 was amazing. Broke to love and I think every point finished in an Ana winner. When she gets on those hot streaks she can't be beaten.

* Although on the whole she played pretty awful she got the win and I'm confident she can beat Mauresmo.

Dexter
Jan 7th, 2009, 03:23 PM
I'm with you, I'm expecting a straight sets win for Ana tonight.

bruce goose
Jan 7th, 2009, 03:23 PM
Glad that Ana won but I KNEW that Vinci wouldn't be easy like people were saying here;however,as long as she plays with poise enough to pull things out,then I don't care if the victories are close.Serena does the same exact thing often...playing down to the talent level of her opponent while pulling out the points when she really has to do it....The BIG difference is that SW is much more mature than Ana on court and has the confidence from a LONG history of these victories.She very rarely has those sort of defeats that Ana has when she collapses.At some stage Ana will have to establish some better consistency if she wants to hold on to #1 for more than a 'cup of coffee' as Clijsters did

gaviotabr
Jan 7th, 2009, 03:37 PM
I didn't watch the match.. but wow! It was close! I have to say that I didn't expect it to be this close. With Ana these days we just never know.. it's all on her racquet though.. if she plays well she wins, if she doesn't she loses. It's up to her to lift up her game.

Can anyone who watched it tell me if Ana improved in the third set or was it that Vinci crumbled?

Anyway Ana needs a coach ASAP. This just proves that if she really thinks she can do this alone she couldn't be more wrong. Everybody else is going foward with their games and Ana seems to be going backwards. She used to have such a reliable and good serve.. now everytime she goes to serve I fear. It has been giving her a world of trouble since RG at least. The ball toss is out of control. She could use at least a serving coach. It seems that everytime her serve faulters, her whole game suffers.

But a win is a win. At least she is showing some mental toughness, which was clearly absent in the second half of last year.

gaviotabr
Jan 7th, 2009, 03:46 PM
And about the match against Amelie.. anything can happen. I watched Coin vs Amelie, and it was patchy, but there were some great points. It will all come down to Ana though.. can she recover in time to put up a better performance? Let's just hope so.. She will need it.

Amelie also had a very tight match.. but she finished hers about 8 hours before Ana, she might be more rested. Ana is looking very fit though, so I hope this won't be a problem.

Davodus
Jan 7th, 2009, 03:48 PM
ahhh that was annoyingly close, but im glad she won

on the plus side, me and my sister got our giant ball signed by ana today

she kind of stuffed it up because she did it while walking, so her A is crossed weirdly, but i don't care :p
it was a great moment :lol:

SOA_MC
Jan 7th, 2009, 03:50 PM
Ana 3rd match tomorrow

Centre Court (starting at 10:30am)
1. Lucie SAFAROVA (CZE) vs Victoria AZARENKA (BLR)
2. ATP
3. Ana IVANOVIC (SRB) vs Amelie MAURESMO (FRA)
4. -
5. Marion BARTOLI (FRA) vs Tathiana GARBIN (ITA) (not before 7pm)
6. ATP

Dexter
Jan 7th, 2009, 03:52 PM
Can anyone who watched it tell me if Ana improved in the third set or was it that Vinci crumbled? It was a mix of both. Ana did really raise her game to get the set, and she was flawless at the start of the 3rd, but it goes down to a fact that Roby was feeding her with easy balls all the time. But then again she was all match long, but Ana just started not to miss all of a sudden (or not to miss 3 out of 4 shots as it was earlier).

gaviotabr
Jan 7th, 2009, 04:10 PM
It was a mix of both. Ana did really raise her game to get the set, and she was flawless at the start of the 3rd, but it goes down to a fact that Roby was feeding her with easy balls all the time. But then again she was all match long, but Ana just started not to miss all of a sudden (or not to miss 3 out of 4 shots as it was earlier).

Ok. Thanks Dexter!

Well.. I hope Ana keeps the UEs very low against Amelie.. I have to say that I'm a bit scared! :sobbing:

jelenacg
Jan 7th, 2009, 05:02 PM
I don`t know how Ana didn`t see that Vinci has no BH,that girl cant hit a decent BH
If only she had played on her BH we wouldn`t have this drama
Anyway they will show her next match here,i`m scared too :)
I must say i`m not a big fan of her dress

lilimi
Jan 7th, 2009, 05:07 PM
ana's gameplan is so 'sharapovesque'. i wish she was as clever on court that she is off court. I didn't like that match at all. she looked heavy. good point is that our ana always stay positive even on bad moments. but pheww! she will give me heart attacks again this year, it seems.

DownTheLine21
Jan 7th, 2009, 05:09 PM
This seems like such a shaky performance. I'm confident that she can "turn it on" next match, though. She'll need to.

gaviotabr
Jan 7th, 2009, 05:12 PM
I don`t know how Ana didn`t see that Vinci has no BH,that girl cant hit a decent BH
If only she had played on her BH we wouldn`t have this drama
Anyway they will show her next match here,i`m scared too :)
I must say i`m not a big fan of her dress

I remember the match against Zvonareva at the YEC. Davenport was commenting and she said that when she played Ana in Miami she got the feeling that with Ana it's always about her game. She doesn't change to pick others weaknessess, she just plays her game. If it's on, it's great.. but if it's of.. So I guess that's the reason she didn't pick on Vinci's backhand.

Another reason for Ana to hire a coach ASAP. She has no idea about tactics and reading the opponent's game.

jelenacg
Jan 7th, 2009, 05:32 PM
Well Davenport was absolutely right,but i`m surprised bc that`s` the third time she played against Vinci
Yes she needs coach ASAP,and she needs someone to teach her how to serve :lol:
She totally gorgot it after RG
I thought that BH and FH were working fine ,yes she made a few errors but nothing special

The Daviator
Jan 7th, 2009, 05:35 PM
This better be early season rust and not a continuation from last season :o Good fight though, and she's still alive in the tournament.

Mauresmo didn't impress me that much against Coin, she was pushing a lot, especially off the FH, that sat up so much, Ana should have a lot of chances to tee off with her own FH, but then she could end up spraying the ball :tape: Momo's serve was quite good at times, but Ana should win. Should :tape:

gaviotabr
Jan 7th, 2009, 05:39 PM
This better be early season rust and not a continuation from last season :o Good fight though, and she's still alive in the tournament.

Mauresmo didn't impress me that much against Coin, she was pushing a lot, especially off the FH, that sat up so much, Ana should have a lot of chances to tee off with her own FH, but then she could end up spraying the ball :tape: Momo's serve was quite good at times, but Ana should win. Should :tape:

I also thought Mauresmo was serving quite well. Especially the wide serve, oppening up the court.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Jan 7th, 2009, 05:46 PM
Another reason for Ana to hire a coach ASAP. She has no idea about tactics and reading the opponent's game.

That was the case before and after she worked with Taylor and also before and after she worked with Sven.
So I actually think what's the use?
Ana can be so brainless.
Her talent is great and I guess she has the most potential of all players now. She has a great gift to be able to play tennis on such a high level, but no clue how to deal with it.

I haven't seen today's match, but I can already dream it. The score and what I read here says enough.
THOUSANDS of serves and still your ball toss can be this bad.
Sorry but can someone explain it to me?
I can be so angry with her. She played so many matches like this, but at the same time she was NR 1 of the world and GS champion.
Then how the hell is it possible that she can still produce such a poor level. Many times she said she learned so much.
Then I like to know what that is. That tigers can't fly?

It just gets me frustrated. She can be so beautiful to watch and I really miss that at times like this.
Her fighting is something that always make me proud. That's at least a thing she shows in every match.
I'm glad she won, but I want to see the real Ana.

InsideOut.
Jan 7th, 2009, 06:14 PM
:sobbing: I'm so glad I wasn't here because I would've been in A&E by now. :tape:

Good luck tomorrow Ana. :cool:

DownTheLine21
Jan 7th, 2009, 06:14 PM
This better be early season rust and not a continuation from last season :o Good fight though, and she's still alive in the tournament.

Mauresmo didn't impress me that much against Coin, she was pushing a lot, especially off the FH, that sat up so much, Ana should have a lot of chances to tee off with her own FH, but then she could end up spraying the ball :tape: Momo's serve was quite good at times, but Ana should win. Should :tape:

I'm having the same thoughts. I don't see the Mauresmo-Coin match, but, at certain points, Dokic provided a great example of how one should play against Amelie. Speaking of Dokic, I couldn't believe my eyes at different points. It was like we were back in 2001.

Dexter
Jan 7th, 2009, 06:22 PM
I saw Dokić in September last year in a 25k challenger and she was just horrible, her groundies were off (except for the traning). It seems like she's put a lot effort into this and it's finally paying off.

DownTheLine21
Jan 7th, 2009, 06:27 PM
I saw Dokić in September last year in a 25k challenger and she was just horrible, her groundies were off (except for the traning). It seems like she's put a lot effort into this and it's finally paying off.

I think she's at a very positive place this year. Every year, people make predictions about a possible comeback to the Top 50 or so. This is the first time I truly believe it's possible.

Dexter
Jan 7th, 2009, 06:36 PM
Same for me, at least after what I saw on Monday. And I actually totally wrote her off last year after watching her. But I do wish her well, although she's quite a negative personality and I do not like such.

jelenacg
Jan 7th, 2009, 06:39 PM
This definitely isn`t a continuation from last season-at least I think and hope it`s not
She was focused all time,she didn`t lose set quickly with 6-1 or 6-2 score
The strange thing is that she is having problems with a players like Vinci,Coin...
Dokic is very talented but her father totally destroyed her,i watched a few years ago interview with him,that man is insane

DownTheLine21
Jan 7th, 2009, 06:52 PM
Yes. The whole Dokic situation was quite unfortunate. I hope she's been able to come to terms with everything and move on.

Also, will there be a livestream for tonight's match? I'm guessing there will be, but I'm not sure.

Dexter
Jan 7th, 2009, 06:55 PM
There should be one on the channelsurfing.

gaviotabr
Jan 7th, 2009, 08:51 PM
That was the case before and after she worked with Taylor and also before and after she worked with Sven.
So I actually think what's the use?
Ana can be so brainless.
Her talent is great and I guess she has the most potential of all players now. She has a great gift to be able to play tennis on such a high level, but no clue how to deal with it.


I think that Ana was actually improving on that in the first half of last year. But she seems to be back to some brainless tennis again. As my signature says, I hope she uses her deep thinking brain on court like she does off the court.

And the fact that Sven and David Taylor couldn't really make Ana a tactically savy player so far doesn't mean she can't be one in the future. But she won't without help.. she has to study the game, learn from someone with experience.. a good coach.

I also get frustrated at times. I think Ana has loads of potential.. she can be incredible, yet show that she has still a lot to grow. But she has to think things clearly and see that there is much improvement to be done if she wants to win majors and be number 1, like she says.. and that will not come working all alone and trusting only in her instincts.

Still.. I think Ana is a bit mentally stronger than the second half of last year, and that's alredy good.

I really hope she can play well tomorrow and win.

bruce goose
Jan 7th, 2009, 10:38 PM
Well,I have to disagree with our lovely Brazilian smarty-pants somewhat b/c I wouldn't say that Ana always necessarily thinks things through so thoroughly OFF-court,either.However,I DID see signs of some new toughness at YEC last year as she bravely battled her virus in an attempt to maintain her slump-breaking momentum from Linz...unless I'm just seeing what I WANT to see:unsure:

Haven't seen anyone post this yet,but Ana finally broke her ugly addiction from last year...you all remember...play a slow,unprepared 1st set to fall behind against a mediocre,lesser opponent,battle back strongly in the 2nd,then choke in the 3rd...This time she DESTROYED a scrappy Vinci in the 3rd set:)...When we witness Ana winning back-to-back tourneys or defending a title with high-caliber play...then we'll KNOW FOR SURE that there's been at least some internal,positive change in Ana...let's hope that 2009 gives us this blessing:)

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 8th, 2009, 02:40 AM
hey people....some of the greatest champs have to learn how to win ugly, win when nothing in your game is clicking but learn to pick it up at the right time and avoid losing....sometimes it does a player some good to be able to do that, since last year she wasn't able to win unless she played really well...she might start to relax, cause i think what happens is that she gets nervous once she realises something isn't working and then probably fast fowards and thinks about losing...a couple matches where she wins although not playing good tennis could prove to loosen her up where she doesn't automatically get nervous just because she isn't playing her best, and gets the mentality that she can win despite not playing her best...:yeah:

Dexter
Jan 8th, 2009, 03:04 AM
Vote for Ana in PYW SFs (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=14719594#post14719594)!

bruce goose
Jan 8th, 2009, 03:11 AM
hey people....some of the greatest champs have to learn how to win ugly, win when nothing in your game is clicking but learn to pick it up at the right time and avoid losing....sometimes it does a player some good to be able to do that, since last year she wasn't able to win unless she played really well...she might start to relax, cause i think what happens is that she gets nervous once she realises something isn't working and then probably fast fowards and thinks about losing...a couple matches where she wins although not playing good tennis could prove to loosen her up where she doesn't automatically get nervous just because she isn't playing her best, and gets the mentality that she can win despite not playing her best...:yeah:^^^...you might have something strong there;I sorta hinted at that earlier...Ana reminds me a lot of the careless way that Serena played when she was a teen...those victories you mention are pro'bly the reason why SW is so good at fending off match points even vs. elite players

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Jan 8th, 2009, 06:27 AM
The next time she steps on court, she at least brings a serve with her.
No serve, no tactics today. Except for that it wasn't so bad.
Not good at the important points and Amelie didn't make many mistake.
Ana broke Amelie once and all these 4 points were winners by Ana.
I haven't seen Amelie play like this since she's out of top 10.

That ball toss is still ridiculous. In this way you won't get free points at all and every service game is tough.

Dexter
Jan 8th, 2009, 06:30 AM
36 26 to Mauresmo. :wavey:I'm with you, I'm expecting a straight sets win for Ana tonight.FKN Nostradamus. :weirdo:
Seriously I'd rather see her not play AO if she's gonna present this sort of quality. First thing the serve... her whole game depends on its quality.

-NAJ-
Jan 8th, 2009, 06:34 AM
One word - coach

bruce goose
Jan 8th, 2009, 06:35 AM
Just got finished watching Mauresmo give her fans a belated Christmas present by neatly gift-wrapping Ana and sealing her in a lovely pink bow:eek:...Frankly,she made it look quite easy.

After what Ana went through LAST year,plus dumping Sven,I'm not surprised to see her get off to a slow start...but I don't see it as the end of the world,either.She's come back from FAR worse than this,and I believe that these embarrassing losses will eventually motivate her to use her brain on court...and OFF it a little more,too...to fulfill her potential and reach the top again.As a prominent tennis writer said,it took Pete Sampras a while before he committed himself to being the best(after winning the USO as a teen),and there's no reason at all that Ana can't find her way as Pete did....Good luck at the AO,Ana...you might need it;)

jonnyroyale_13
Jan 8th, 2009, 06:36 AM
First match of the year for me. I want to beleive Ana is much better than that, but its becoming a familiar sight in her matches though. Havent seen Mauresmo in a long while, she was good today.

Nikkiri
Jan 8th, 2009, 06:37 AM
Hopefully this match will make her see that she needs a coach. Seriously she doesn't have the on court smarts to do this on her own.

The Daviator
Jan 8th, 2009, 06:44 AM
She needs a coach NOW! :lol: That was awful, she's just playing the same every point, slices, low balls, high balls, she's just whacking it, she's really gonna struggle to make AO QFs :(

gaviotabr
Jan 8th, 2009, 06:45 AM
I guess sucky Ana is back in full force. :o

Seriously, it was patetic today... Trying to see the positives, I hope this makes her see that she NEEDS a coach.

When she lost the first set she could have used the on court coaching if she had one.. maybe the coach would calm her down and remind her of the right tactics and drive her away from the patetic brainless ballbashing.

Oh Ana! You are SO much better than that. Now I don't think she will ask for WC in Sidney and she will go into AO sucking and with 3 matches under her belt.. I fear another disaster.

bruce goose
Jan 8th, 2009, 06:54 AM
I guess sucky Ana is back in full force. :o

Seriously, it was patetic today... Trying to see the positives, I hope this makes her see that she NEEDS a coach.

Oh Ana! You are SO much better than that. Now I don't think she will ask for WC in Sidney and she will go into AO sucking and with 3 matches under her belt.. I fear another disaster.:hug:(deep sigh with hopes for the best):o

Dexter
Jan 8th, 2009, 07:03 AM
Ana is straight off to Melbourne, not going to play in Sydney.
Sorry Nikkiri :hug: I think it's better for Ana though, needs to calm down and find her range on serve again.

InsideOut.
Jan 8th, 2009, 08:20 AM
Oh well. No positives will be possible from this match, except that Ana has gone back to sucking. :rolleyes:

I just don't know what to say. :sobbing:

lilimi
Jan 8th, 2009, 08:22 AM
well it seems that at the begining of last season,ana decided to be a brainless player. and like sharapova, she can't be a consistent top player with that game. last year she made the finals in australia, but she didn't play that well and was very lucky. i only saw her control her matches at Indian Wells and Roland Garros. but except those tournaments, I think her results were too much linked to luck.
I think that before last year, she was able to change things in her game according to her matches. now she relies too much on her serve and get upset when it's not in. she still wants to go to the net as often as possible, but if she can't construct her points before serving, it's useless.
concerning the coaching situation, I have the impression she dump them when they want her to leave the cookies:lol:
but i think she doesn't need a coach to know the weaknesses of her opponents.
i'm sorry to say that but she played better a few years ago, and this loss to amelie today proves it.
maybe i'm too harsh towards her, but i still love ana.

InsideOut.
Jan 8th, 2009, 08:26 AM
Yeah well I still love Ana too but the scoreline is really unacceptable. :o

gaviotabr
Jan 8th, 2009, 08:57 AM
A couple of quotes from Ana:

Ivanovic said she had been feeling the effects of her two and a half hour match with Roberta Vinci on Wednesday night, where she was forced to save two match points against the unheralded Italian.

"I didn't have that much time to recover -- I had to come here early this morning to hit some balls so I didn't have the energy to dig deep today again," she said.

"But Amelie's a great player and she's a very tough opponent -- she's very experienced as well so all credit to her."



I wrote yesterday that I was worried about it.. Ana had a tough match and finished 8 hours after Mauresmo.. that could have played a part.. she sure seemed all bland on court. No energy at all. In any case, she played terrible tennis.

InsideOut.
Jan 8th, 2009, 08:58 AM
Ana's making excuses. Fatigue doesn't mean you have to start ballbashing.

Princeza
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:02 AM
36 26 to Mauresmo. :wavey:FKN Nostradamus. :weirdo:


:lol:I had the opposite feeling, that she would lose in 2. Given her last matches, I kinda expected it,I just hoped it wouldn't happen.

gaviotabr
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:09 AM
:lol:I had the opposite feeling, that she would lose in 2. Given her last matches, I kinda expected it,I just hoped it wouldn't happen.

I also had the feeling she would lose.. it seems to me that everytime she has a really tough match that takes a lot of her mentally, she can't recover in time to use her brain in the following match.

gaviotabr
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:12 AM
Ana's making excuses. Fatigue doesn't mean you have to start ballbashing.

Yes.. it was so brainless today! :sobbing: Slice? ballbash! Loopy top spin forehand? Ballbash!

gaviotabr
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:22 AM
And please.. what's up with Ana's serve? She used to have such a great serve.. it's not just the ball toss.. there is something about the movement also. Right now I'd rather have Dementieva's or Radwanska's serve than Ana's. And that's saying something...

lilimi
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:56 AM
Yes.. it was so brainless today! :sobbing: Slice? ballbash! Loopy top spin forehand? Ballbash!

:haha::help::help::help:WANTED: game construction:help::help::help:
she's so predictable!
and i don't understand why she doesn't try to change things. before she always seemed to take lessons from her losses, but now:help::help::help:

Dexter
Jan 8th, 2009, 10:05 AM
I throughly agree with you lilimi on every account. I'm not even disappointed that she lost, but how she lost. Quite frankly if it was my first match I've ever seen of her I'd never became her fan... Indeed last year she sort of bullshited her way into the final of AO didn't playing well at all, but at least her serve was holding up. The only good performance she had was against Garbin for a set and a half and the first set against Caroline. Except those the quality was similar, she just relied on her aura (she had it that time last year) intimidating her opponents. She doesn't have it anymore since she lost to Lindsay in Miami (she just had it briefly in RG not even for all of her matches). I bet when players see they have to face Ana actually relish the opportunity of having a shot at defending a top player instead of thinking 'Im fucked :('. Now, since I'm such a great prophet Im calling we'll experience first 1r loss of Ana's career in Melbourne.

Ps. I can't rep you lilimi, I dished out too many good and badreps today. :o

jelenacg
Jan 8th, 2009, 10:18 AM
Thank God i didn`t see the match
I`m not going to say anything about her game,everything is being said already
Until she confronts herself and admits to herself that this isn`t working we are going to have these kind of scores
Somehow i don`t see this happening soon
Yes maybe she was tired but these days all we hear are some excuses
Not very optimistic about AO

gaviotabr
Jan 8th, 2009, 10:30 AM
Now, since I'm such a great prophet Im calling we'll experience first 1r loss of Ana's career in Melbourne.



:sobbing:

Will she at least get a coach if this happens?

More quotes from Ana:

Ivanovic found it hard to find the strength for another comeback less than 15 hours after saving two match-points against Italy's Roberta Vinci.

"Yesterday, I dug really deep and gained lots of confidence from that. I found it really hard to dig deep again today," she said.

"Lots of times early in the rally I was going for a shot that I wouldn't usually go, taking a little bit more risk, coming to the net a lot. I had so many mis-hits. It was very disappointing."



“I was pretty happy with my first two matches,” she said. “I played really well the first one and [against Vinci Wednesday night] I dug really deep and it gave me a lot of confidence.

“I didn’t have much time to recover … and I didn’t have the energy to dig deep again.

“In Melbourne I’m going to be practicing and playing lots of sparring.

“I just have to get more consistent and work more on my serve.”


I don't think she is learning anything from her losses.. just more and more brainless. She did not play well on the first match... And only doing a lot of sparring won't help her improve her game.

Ksenia.
Jan 8th, 2009, 10:41 AM
The only thing that makes me smile about that loss is Dexter's siggie :sobbing: :lol:

jelenacg
Jan 8th, 2009, 10:51 AM
first 1r loss :bigcry::bigcry:
Defending her AO points will be something like miracle
I guess this is just second part of the season all over again :tape::tape:

Dexter
Jan 8th, 2009, 11:26 AM
At this point I kind of want her to lose early at AO and fall out of top10 so she realizes she ain't that all and has to work hard to get back to the top. It's very hard to get to #1 but to lose it and had the strenght to work even harder to get back there is a feature of the true champions only.

kim86
Jan 8th, 2009, 11:27 AM
first 1r loss :bigcry::bigcry:
Defending her AO points will be something like miracle
I guess this is just second part of the season all over again :tape::tape:

You have already written everything, there's nothing going in the right way...
It seems some kind of a nightmare :tape:

She needs a coach, she needs to regain confidence, she needs to change everything :help:

Dexter
Jan 8th, 2009, 11:30 AM
The only thing that makes me smile about that loss is Dexter's siggie :sobbing: :lol:My sarcasm is all what has left to save my day! :lol:

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 8th, 2009, 11:56 AM
ana...*sigh* next time girl....just plz pick it up!!!!! still haven't given up :)

azdaja
Jan 8th, 2009, 12:06 PM
:o

this sucks, really :( i'm glad i didn't see any of the games and have to rely on your posts to get an idea about how bad the situation is. i guess with ana you never know what will happen next, so i'm not going to have any expectations about malbourne.

Vote for Ana in PYW SFs (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=14719594#post14719594)!
ana in a final of pyw :speakles:

:lol:I had the opposite feeling, that she would lose in 2. Given her last matches, I kinda expected it,I just hoped it wouldn't happen.
nice avi :p

lilimi
Jan 8th, 2009, 12:40 PM
Ps. I can't rep you lilimi, I dished out too many good and badreps today. :o

c'est pas grave:kiss:
concerning ana i also agree she could lose in first round at AO. I expected her defeat today against amelie.
for me ana really likes to play a powerful game, but she has to understand that she can't win the grand slam if she plays without brains. :tape:

Langers
Jan 8th, 2009, 03:18 PM
A bit of a nightmare of a tournament and it showed her up as to where she really is.

IMO she's not even playing like a top 10 player right now. No gameplan and ridiculous amount of errors= disaster.

Not expecting much in Melbourne, in fact if she comes up against a tough player in the first few rounds I'm almost anticipating that she'll lose.

gaviotabr
Jan 8th, 2009, 03:23 PM
Again?

EXCLUSIVE: A DRAINED Ana Ivanovic will seek medical advice after a stomach illness yesterday led to her Brisbane International loss to a resurgent Amelie Mauresmo.

The reason for the wayward nature of Ivanovic's groundstrokes and sluggishness, both of which marred her win on Wednesday night, were exposed further by Mauresmo's 6-3 6-2 quarter-final win.

At one stage in the first set, Ivanovic put her hand over her mouth and looked like she was going to vomit.

"I have been struggling the last 24 hours, I can't really eat anything and been feeling a little nauseous," Ivanovic said.

"I don't want to take anything from Amelie, but I know a couple of other players have been getting sick. I will have two days off and then start practising. Yesterday morning, I was feeling quite bad."

Ivanovic, the second favourite for the Australian Open and runner-up last year, insisted her chances of going one better had not been jolted.

"I have had a good preparation to do it. I have worked very hard and I feel very fit and I am overall happy with my game. It is different when you practice and then go out and play matches. Next week I want to play lots of points and get my mindset ready.

"I need to get a little more consistent and work a little more on my serve. Otherwise I feel I am ready."


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24889699-11088,00.html

I'm sorry.. but now I just feel that everytime Ana loses a match she already has an excuse ready.

luv_sweetAna
Jan 8th, 2009, 03:29 PM
Anyone who watched this and watched the match vs. Davenport in Miami saw any similarity?

gaviotabr
Jan 8th, 2009, 03:39 PM
Anyone who watched this and watched the match vs. Davenport in Miami saw any similarity?

I watched this.. but not the Miami match. I guess there could be some simmilarities though.. both were schooling losses I suppose.. and it didn't look like it would be, as Ana started out relatively well. I guess in both she was brainless..

Langers
Jan 8th, 2009, 03:49 PM
Again?



http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24889699-11088,00.html

I'm sorry.. but now I just feel that everytime Ana loses a match she already has an excuse ready.
Sadly, I tend to agree. She said she had been feeling ill for 24 hours, so that covers the match against Vinci. Against Vinci she played some superb tennis, as I said that game in the first set down 5-4 and not to mention most of the 3rd. She can't have been feeling too bad to produce tennis like that.

bruce goose
Jan 8th, 2009, 04:58 PM
Again?



http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24889699-11088,00.html

I'm sorry.. but now I just feel that everytime Ana loses a match she already has an excuse ready.This is a serious charge because,essentially,it means that our sweet Ana has become a bold-faced liar...and that's a CHARACTER issue.I'd prefer to think that she either actually WAS sick or,more likely,she exaggerated what was merely a normal stomachache b/c she was embarrassed--rightfully,thankfully so--by her non-competitive defeat.She sure didn't appear to be overly sick on the livestream...

A few random thoughts...if Spaniards are anything like Latino males,then I'd say that F.V. is NOT responsible for Ana's awful choice to skip coaching.He pro'bly prefers to let her make her own decision and would only comment,TACTFULLY,if she pressed him for an opinion.....

Also,the hardest thing is that we don't know precisely what's running thru Ana's head.Has she grown impetuously independent to where she's just UN-coachable now?....Or is she simply deluded and honestly believes errantly that she doesn't need it?...Or are there other,unknown factors that influenced this wrong-headed approach?It's difficult to say exactly what her mentality is at this moment cuz her press statements are measured for P.R. reasons and don't necessarily reflect what her TRUE feelings are....Whatever her rationale might be,she'll eventually realize--hopefully sooner instead of later--how ridiculous this strategy is,and then she'll seek AND LISTEN TO a voice that can guide her in the right direction with her career.

Nikkiri
Jan 8th, 2009, 05:37 PM
OMG. :rolleyes:

There is something going around and it could very well be true.

gaviotabr
Jan 8th, 2009, 05:41 PM
OMG. :rolleyes:

There is something going around and it could very well be true.

Um.. you got me curious! What are you talking about?

Nikkiri
Jan 8th, 2009, 05:46 PM
Um.. you got me curious! What are you talking about?
She mentioned other players have been getting sick and thats true Maria Kirilenko had to withdraw with a virus. Maybe Ana is exaggerating it a bit but she could have been feeling sick. I don't think shes using it as an excuse but of course IF she is sick its going to have some kind of effect.

gaviotabr
Jan 8th, 2009, 05:53 PM
She mentioned other players have been getting sick and thats true Maria Kirilenko had to withdraw with a virus. Maybe Ana is exaggerating it a bit but she could have been feeling sick. I don't think shes using it as an excuse but of course IF she is sick its going to have some kind of effect.

Oh yeah.. I had not thought about MaKiri. She was practicing fine from what I had read... and suddenly withdrew with a virus.. maybe Ana was refering to that.

I guess she wasn't feeling at 100% and that took energy away from her, keeping her from fighting some more. But it still doesn't excuse the fact that she just couldn't think on court.

bruce goose
Jan 8th, 2009, 05:56 PM
She mentioned other players have been getting sick and thats true Maria Kirilenko had to withdraw with a virus. Maybe Ana is exaggerating it a bit but she could have been feeling sick. I don't think shes using it as an excuse but of course IF she is sick its going to have some kind of effect.No doubt that it would have SOME effect....Not being a doctor,I can only say that Ana was moving about casually as I watched her on the livestream...she didn't manifest any of those facial expressions or body movements that you see from someone who's battling a serious illness.In contrast,she was in OBVIOUS discomfort at YEC....that's why I supposed that she only had a regular stomachache.......this wouldn't be so bad as an out-and-out lie would be....I view Ana as an honest person

Nikkiri
Jan 8th, 2009, 06:01 PM
Maybe the fact she was feeling ill was a factor in her playing so brainless I doubt she wants to spend a lot of time on court esp after her match the night before so she wants to finish the points quick. I just think its wrong to think the worst of her, she seems like a very honest person I don't believe she would make an excuse everytime she lost.

Princeza
Jan 8th, 2009, 06:04 PM
It's already hard to do something when you're sick, I can't imagine playing a tennis match at this level.

DownTheLine21
Jan 8th, 2009, 06:35 PM
At this point I kind of want her to lose early at AO and fall out of top10 so she realizes she ain't that all and has to work hard to get back to the top. It's very hard to get to #1 but to lose it and had the strenght to work even harder to get back there is a feature of the true champions only.

Sadly, I do believe it's going to take some sort of drop in the rankings to knock some sense into her. I suspect that she might need to fall down and start from scratch again. She may have been fatigued, but I saw no ability to construct a point.

Dexter
Jan 8th, 2009, 06:48 PM
It's totally that. It was as if somebody reset her on-board computer in her brain...

gaviotabr
Jan 8th, 2009, 08:09 PM
Sadly, I do believe it's going to take some sort of drop in the rankings to knock some sense into her. I suspect that she might need to fall down and start from scratch again. She may have been fatigued, but I saw no ability to construct a point.

Yes.. there was no point construction at all. In Indian Wells and Roland Garros last year, Ana was using angles, different paces.. she was constructing points.. I thought she was going foward with her game. From RG on the ballbashing has been ever present.. and the match against Mauresmo was the most brainless I've seen Ana play. Fatigue shouldn't prevent you from thinking and reading the game. And what discourages me is that she says she was pretty happy with her first two matches and that she is feeling great about her game. It seems that she is in total denial, and it will take some fall for her to see things clearly..:sad:

jelenacg
Jan 8th, 2009, 08:49 PM
First match i didn`t see but if you need more than 2h to beat player like Vinci ,I don`t see any reason for her to be happy
During RG i totally believed that she has finally found a way to be calm and smart on court ,sadly i was wrong
I really hope she will find a way to start playing like she knows bc if she does it she is going to be a great player

bruce goose
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:08 PM
Somebody here(forget who it was) made a Vaidisova reference while Ana was struggling badly last year,and we might be seeing some general parallels.Granted,it's not a perfect analogy;there are some BIG differences.First off,despite her angelic appearance,Nicole has shown a much nastier personality than we've ever seen from Ana(hence 'Devilsova').Second,NV's bf/fiancee/(whatever the hell he is) is a certified pieza de mierda while Verdasco seems strongly devoted to Ana(maybe even loves her).Third,the jerkbag Stepanek's ex-fiancee,Hingis,has tested positive for coke and Nicole ACTS as if she snorts it,too,so he's pro'bly shared it with both of them...whereas Fernando doesn't deliberately cause any problems for Ana...and would likely do whatever he could to help her.

The similarities are found in that you had two highly-talented gals who were already world-beaters as teenagers,and VERY focused on their tennis despite potential distractions...and then the world fell in love with each of them...and then men started to enter the picture more...and then they began to reject coaching advice and go it alone...and then....you know..............

I'm still optimistic that Ana's not nearly as rebellious or anti-tennis as Vaidisova is now...and she can find her way back at some point...but SHE has to have that desire for it...if we're lucky(or,we should say,if ANA'S lucky),then it'll take only one embarrassing loss to wake her up...at least Zurich/Linz taught her that she CAN bounce back:yeah:

gaviotabr
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:16 PM
Ok.. I'm bored.. so I'll just throw in some questions..

Which coach could posibly help Ana? She needs someone who can teach her about tactics and make her think on court. Make her see that instincts aren't everything. And patience can pay off. These last matches made it look like, to me, Ana was trying to play every point the same way. Ballbash for a winner or bullshit to the net, even in inapropriate times. She has to learn when to use it, otherwise she will get passed and lobbed at will by talented players, such as Mauresmo. Many players can't hit a passing shot nowadays, and Ana has great reach and good volleys. Off course, that's when she is playing well.. when she is not, nothing really works. But everything has its moments, and you can't expect to run to the net at any time and get a shot to your hand.

The coach would also need to be a good motivator, to help her mentally.. and fix her serve and improve her backhand. Both have tons of technical problems right now.

Her serve is a big question mark for me.. It used to be great. I wonder what happened for it to be so bad now. I remember she changed a bit of the motion during last year's off season. But it has been a year, and she was serving well up until RG. Now it seems to me that her arm goes a bit to the right, and not only because she is usually chasing the ball toss. And it seems that it has lost racquet speed.

At last.. he would have to be a friendly, calm, patient person. He will need it.. :help:

gaviotabr
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:20 PM
Somebody here(forget who it was) made a Vaidisova reference while Ana was struggling badly last year,and we might be seeing some general parallels.Granted,it's not a perfect analogy;there are some BIG differences.First off,despite her angelic appearance,Nicole has shown a much nastier personality than we've ever seen from Ana(hence 'Devilsova').Second,NV's bf/fiancee/(whatever the hell he is) is a certified pieza de mierda while Verdasco seems strongly devoted to Ana(maybe even loves her).Third,the jerkbag Stepanek's ex-fiancee,Hingis,has tested positive for coke and Nicole ACTS as if she snorts it,too,so he's pro'bly shared it with both of them...whereas Fernando doesn't deliberately cause any problems for Ana...and would likely do whatever he could to help her.

The similarities are found in that you had two highly-talented gals who were already world-beaters as teenagers,and VERY focused on their tennis despite potential distractions...and then the world fell in love with each of them...and then men started to enter the picture more...and then they began to reject coaching advice and go it alone...and then....you know..............

I'm still optimistic that Ana's not nearly as rebellious or anti-tennis as Vaidisova is now...and she can find her way back at some point...but SHE has to have that desire for it...if we're lucky(or,we should say,if ANA'S lucky),then it'll take only one embarrassing loss to wake her up...at least Zurich/Linz taught her that she CAN bounce back:yeah:

I think you went a bit far with the drugs thing Bruce. Unfortunately Vaidisova has been struggling.. but we can't say that of her.

As for Ana.. it might take her some more disappointment before she awknowledges things.

bruce goose
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:35 PM
I think you went a bit far with the drugs thing Bruce. Unfortunately Vaidisova has been struggling.. but we can't say that of her.

As for Ana.. it might take her some more disappointment before she awknowledges things.Let me put it this way:Nicole was running around with a rock musician before she got with Stepanek.I've never seen a rebellious teenage girl who hung out with musicians who DIDN'T get high on drugs.At best,they were only regular marijuana smokers,but usually they gravitated to heavier stuff within a short time...it all gibes with how Nicole cavalierly flushes a promising Top 5 career down the toilet....I'm thankful that Ana has better taste in men and I feel sorry for Nicole.

...And you're probably right...it could take a LOT of losses before Ana wakes up but I'm staying optimistic that she'll be a quick learner:angel:

jelenacg
Jan 8th, 2009, 09:40 PM
Well i`m also bored so...
I think it will need time for her to find a coach
And after that it will need time until the results come
I also don`t know whats wrong with her serve,it was better even in second part of the season so that says something
If she had spent all her off season preparation without Sven ,it might be the reason why we are seeing this awful serve and ball toss

gaviotabr
Jan 8th, 2009, 10:18 PM
Well i`m also bored so...
I think it will need time for her to find a coach
And after that it will need time until the results come
I also don`t know whats wrong with her serve,it was better even in second part of the season so that says something
If she had spent all her off season preparation without Sven ,it might be the reason why we are seeing this awful serve and ball toss

Yes.. when she finds a coach, if she does, it will take time for things to improve I guess..

I'm buying patience in the supermarket.. I wonder if it's too expensive.. :lol:

gaviotabr
Jan 8th, 2009, 10:22 PM
By the way.. The AO draw comes out January 16th. That's my birthday! Will I get a birthday present in form of a good draw for Ana? :lol:

Not that it looks like it would make any difference though.. :tape:

jelenacg
Jan 8th, 2009, 10:39 PM
Maybe you will get a present :) but i`m not sure Ana will know how to use it
Patience? Don`t know if I have some left,she is playing badly for more than a 6 months

gaviotabr
Jan 8th, 2009, 10:48 PM
Maybe you will get a present :) but i`m not sure Ana will know how to use it
Patience? Don`t know if I have some left,she is playing badly for more than a 6 months

My patience finished some time ago.. but I've been buying supplies from time to time because I've realized I'm not going to stop liking Ana anytime soon (if ever).. and this doesn't seem to end. So.. a lot of patience.. and hope that things will get better.

I just wish she could learn from these things.. She keeps saying that all she went through last year helped her and made her grow and I just don't see it.

luv_sweetAna
Jan 8th, 2009, 11:39 PM
I'm buying patience in the supermarket.. I wonder if it's too expensive.. :lol:

If you happen to find it, buy some extra to give it to me. :lol:

Reckoner
Jan 8th, 2009, 11:51 PM
I just hope that this slump won't be too long. I've already had to suffer through all of 2008 with Michaella Krajicek. The last half with both Ana and Krajicek was terrible. I nearly lost all interest in tennis because they would both be out early or all together.

I think that Ana will bounce back by the end of the year, at the very least. Ana is too good and too smart to play poorly for too long.

EDIT - Post 666 :devil:

SOA_MC
Jan 8th, 2009, 11:53 PM
Yes.. when she finds a coach, if she does, it will take time for things to improve I guess..

I'm buying patience in the supermarket.. I wonder if it's too expensive.. :lol:

It is and it takes about 16 hours before it starts working, I've finally cooled enough to post here again:lol:

I know it's been said but what was Ana thinking dropping Sven:help::help::help:

SOA_MC
Jan 8th, 2009, 11:57 PM
EDIT - Post 666 :devil:

And you just happen to have it in this thread:ras::bigcry::p

gaviotabr
Jan 8th, 2009, 11:58 PM
It is and it takes about 16 hours before it starts working, I've finally cooled enough to post here again:lol:

I know it's been said but what was Ana thinking dropping Sven:help::help::help:

Ana wasn't thinking.. I guess that's what it's all about.. no thinking at all. I'm even going to change mi signature.. because she is not using her brain off court either.

jonnyroyale_13
Jan 9th, 2009, 12:10 AM
Audio, you should just rename the thread 'suck season' and keep the thread going until she stops sucking. Its been suck season for almost 8 months. I wouldnt call yesterday the best of suck though. Maybe not even top 5 best of suck. But it sucked regardless.
Regarding her being sick yesterday, I saw no evidence of it, but who knows. You say something in interview and then the quote ends up written in stone. Watching the match,i never suspected shes sick. She played like she has been in recent months. If she was sick, then she is taking some impressive drugs. Sick or no sick, Mauresmo earned the win. She got help with Ana's reckless play in the last set and 3 games, but definitely an earned win for her. Hats off to Momo.:hatsoff:
Im over it. On to Melbourne, hopefully no more suck season. And like Sjoerd said, please bring the serve. I could swear she lost velocity since 2007.