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DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 26th, 2008, 06:42 PM
Again she starts here as nr 4. Last year she ended with 2 bad tournaments and now 2 great results.

She won't face Serena in the group and hopefully she gets Sveta.

Anyway, Ana will win here!

AJDE!!!!

Dinayer
Oct 26th, 2008, 06:49 PM
good luck Ana!
hopefully a good tournament :)

Balltossovic
Oct 26th, 2008, 07:08 PM
:armed: Ajde

jonnyroyale_13
Oct 26th, 2008, 07:28 PM
Its always something that prevents a match with Serena.
My most wanted is Dementieva:boxing:

Balltossovic
Oct 26th, 2008, 07:31 PM
When do the groups come out?

Marilyn Monheaux
Oct 26th, 2008, 07:36 PM
When do the groups come out?

http://tennis.quickfound.net/wta_results_2008/doha_wta_championships_results_2008.html

The WTA Championships draw is not yet available. Championship round robin groups are usually determined, and the drawsheet posted, on the Saturday before tourney week. Play in Doha does not begin until Tuesday evening. The link is above for your convenience when the draw become available.

Balltossovic
Oct 26th, 2008, 07:44 PM
http://tennis.quickfound.net/wta_results_2008/doha_wta_championships_results_2008.html


Cool thanks!

DownTheLine21
Oct 26th, 2008, 10:33 PM
I'm feeling a YEC win in the future.

SOA_MC
Oct 26th, 2008, 11:09 PM
Last year the groups were

Group 1 - #1 Henin, #3 Jankovic, #5 Serena, #7 Chakevetade

Group 2 - #2 Kuznetsova, #4 Ivanovic, #6 Sharapova, #9 Huntuchova

So I think if no one pulls out it will be

Group 1 - #1 Jankovic, #3 Serena, #5 Dementieva, #8 Venus

Group 2 - #2 Safina, #4 Ivanovic, #7 Kuznetsova, #9 Zvonareva

Balltossovic
Oct 26th, 2008, 11:13 PM
Last year the groups were

Group 1 - #1 Henin, #3 Jankovic, #5 Serena, #7 Chakevetade

Group 2 - #2 Kuznetsova, #4 Ivanovic, #6 Sharapova, #9 Huntuchova

So I think if no one pulls out it will be

Group 1 - #1 Jankovic, #3 Serena, #5 Dementieva, #8 Venus

Group 2 - #2 Safina, #4 Ivanovic, #7 Kuznetsova, #9 Zvonareva
That would be a dream group BUT do you think they will have both Serbs in the same group and both WS ion the same group?
What was it the year before:confused:. Maybe we could try and find a pattern?

SOA_MC
Oct 26th, 2008, 11:27 PM
It is done by using the 52 week WTA rankings with odd and even numbers into seperate groups

Last year Venus was the #8 seed but withdrew replaced by #9 Hantuchova

This year Sharapova is #6 seed but won't play. so Kuznetsova will be bumped up to #6 seed, Venus #7 seed and Zvonareva #8 seed

Balltossovic
Oct 26th, 2008, 11:29 PM
Ok I see

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 26th, 2008, 11:42 PM
Last year the groups were

Group 1 - #1 Henin, #3 Jankovic, #5 Serena, #7 Chakevetade

Group 2 - #2 Kuznetsova, #4 Ivanovic, #6 Sharapova, #9 Huntuchova

So I think if no one pulls out it will be

Group 1 - #1 Jankovic, #3 Serena, #5 Dementieva, #8 Venus

Group 2 - #2 Safina, #4 Ivanovic, #7 Kuznetsova, #9 Zvonareva

They still draw for the groups. Nothing is certain yet.
Only that Ana won't face Serena before the SF.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 27th, 2008, 12:07 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc203/IvanovicFan/2008-1.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc203/IvanovicFan/2008-2.jpg

SOA_MC
Oct 27th, 2008, 12:12 AM
They still draw for the groups. Nothing is certain yet.
Only that Ana won't face Serena before the SF.

So it was just coincidence last year that one group had all odd number seeds and the other group had all even number seeds.

I thought there was something in that:o

kim86
Oct 27th, 2008, 12:20 AM
So it was just coincidence last year that one group had all odd number seeds and the other group had all even number seeds.

I thought there was something in that:o

Imagine if they draw groups picking up n°1-3-5-7 and n°2-4-6-8 from the Champion Race...

Groups would be like that:
Group A: Jankovic, Serena, Ana, Venus
Group B: Dinara, Elena, Svetlana, Vera

:help::help::help::help::help:

It would be awful :tape:

Dexter
Oct 27th, 2008, 12:57 AM
They take into account the main ranking, not the Race. Ana & Serena can't be in the same group.

bruce goose
Oct 27th, 2008, 01:46 PM
Never actually seen the abbreviation 'W.C.' used for 'World Championships'...but will assume that's what it means in the thread title....It makes a lot more sense than the standard 'W.C.' abbreviation:Water Closet:p....Go Ana!:)

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 27th, 2008, 06:31 PM
Never actually seen the abbreviation 'W.C.' used for 'World Championships'...but will assume that's what it means in the thread title....It makes a lot more sense than the standard 'W.C.' abbreviation:Water Closet:p....Go Ana!:)

Water Closet, WildCard whatever you want.

bruce goose
Oct 27th, 2008, 06:42 PM
Water Closet, WildCard whatever you want.Ahhhh,now THERE'S the old humorless Dutch attitude that I've come to know and appreciate!;) I wasn't trying to insult your title:angel:,Sjoerd;I've just never seen WC for World Championships before.I'm just glad that Ana has played her way into CONTENDER status for Doha instead of limping there half-alive based only on early-season points:) I don't see ANY 'weak links' in this field,so Ana doesn't necessarily have to go 3-0 in round robin play to move on to the title round.In fact,I'll be impressed if ANYone goes 3-0 in the opening round

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 27th, 2008, 07:51 PM
Ahhhh,now THERE'S the old humorless Dutch attitude that I've come to know and appreciate!;) I wasn't trying to insult your title:angel:,Sjoerd;I've just never seen WC for World Championships before.I'm just glad that Ana has played her way into CONTENDER status for Doha instead of limping there half-alive based only on early-season points:) I don't see ANY 'weak links' in this field,so Ana doesn't necessarily have to go 3-0 in round robin play to move on to the title round.In fact,I'll be impressed if ANYone goes 3-0 in the opening round

I've never seen it as an insult. Just funny how much you can make of WC.
So if you're late for entering a tournament, you can always try to ask for a WC at the WC.

I just call it WC. YEC, Masters it doesn't matter how you call it as long as Ana wins it.

Dexter
Oct 27th, 2008, 07:53 PM
Mickey Mouse tournament sounds good enough for me. :angel::p

bruce goose
Oct 27th, 2008, 07:55 PM
YEC, Masters it doesn't matter how you call it as long as Ana wins it.Absolutely:)

Davodus
Oct 28th, 2008, 02:50 AM
go ana! i hope she gets a good group and jankovic gets both williams sisters :devil:

doni1212
Oct 28th, 2008, 03:11 AM
I kind of do too! :lol:
Venus and Serena can still advance even if they have to play each other. As long as they both beat Jankovic.

Davodus
Oct 28th, 2008, 03:15 AM
I kind of do too! :lol:
Venus and Serena can still advance even if they have to play each other. As long as they both beat Jankovic.

which they would! Venus wont let jankovic beat her again

rechi
Oct 28th, 2008, 08:34 PM
I really hope Ana can do well in Doha. I think her win here in Austria should give her an extra boost. I read today in an Austrian sports newspaper, Ana flew to Dubai for preparation on Tuesday.

I really think, it's the best line up at the SEC since a long time. Only thing missing is Sharapova...

AJDE ANA!!!:bounce:

PS: I think we should call the tournament SEC - for Sony Ericsson Championship ;)
But the only thing matters is Ana shows a good performance!

gaviotabr
Oct 29th, 2008, 09:45 AM
According to this blog, Ana arrived in Dubai yesterday.

http://mrcens.blogspot.com/2008/10/ana-ivanovic-wow.html

I wonder why she went to Dubai instead of going directly to Doha.

kim86
Oct 29th, 2008, 10:20 AM
According to this blog, Ana arrived in Dubai yesterday.

http://mrcens.blogspot.com/2008/10/ana-ivanovic-wow.html

I wonder why she went to Dubai instead of going directly to Doha.

Yes, i'm wondering too...maybe she wants to do some shopping in the Duty Free :lol:

By the way, wherever she goes she makes the same, good, impression ;)

mure
Oct 29th, 2008, 10:22 AM
maybe she missed that huge mall in Doha

but i don't know how credible this blogger is..first she keeps reffering to Ana as "he"..JJ fan maybe? and then why would he not be allowed to take photos with her?as far as i know Ana has no problem takin pics with her fans

gaviotabr
Oct 29th, 2008, 10:24 AM
Yes, i'm wondering too...maybe she wants to do some shopping in the Duty Free :lol:

By the way, wherever she goes she makes the same, good, impression ;)

Yes! And she does have this aura of kindness from far away, imagine from up close. :hearts:

gaviotabr
Oct 29th, 2008, 10:27 AM
maybe she missed that huge mall in Doha

but i don't know how credible this blogger is..first she keeps reffering to Ana as "he"..JJ fan maybe? and then why would he not be allowed to take photos with her?as far as i know Ana has no problem takin pics with her fans

I don't know about the pics.. maybe you are right.. but rechi said in a post that it was in an austrian article that Ana would leave tuesday for Dubai. At first I thought it was a mistake and it was Doha, but it might just be right.

About the he.. many people who don't have english as a first language can make that mistake.

jelenacg
Oct 29th, 2008, 11:01 AM
I don`t think she is in Dubai,all Serbian media have said that,she won a title on Sunday and already in the evening she was in Belgrade,the next day on Monday she had a photo shoot and the next day she will leave for Doha
Why would she be in Dubai ????

Dexter
Oct 29th, 2008, 11:08 AM
Maybe there was just no direct flight to Doha, so she went there over Dubai? :shrug: There's no big deal, guys.

Ben.
Oct 29th, 2008, 11:16 AM
GL Ana :D

Ajde :armed:

SOA_MC
Oct 29th, 2008, 12:39 PM
I think she just having some R'n'R for a few days, she's been practising/playing four straight weeks now

rechi
Oct 29th, 2008, 05:30 PM
....as far as i know Ana has no problem takin pics with her fans

Hmmm...
I was in Linz for 4 days. On Thursday I saw her training beside the centre court, so i walked up there and asked her sparring partner if i can take some photos. He said: "OK, you can stand here." But then the centre court got free (Pennetta trained before Ana) and the team walked on the court. As Ana passed by i ask her for a photo. She looked at me, her coaches, didn't say anything and walked on.
So no photo for me
Perhaps she wanted to, but the training was more important (or she doesn't like me:lol:)I got an autograph later on Friday, so it's ok...
And as we all know, photo's are not important, tournament wins are the only thing!

About Dubai: I would also prepare in Dubai. I mean it's awesome over there. If've been there for vacation in September. In Dubai you have everything and also great tennis courts. So i think it's a great spot for preparation. And don't forget the Duty Free:lol:

I have a question to all of you. Does anyone when the official drawing of the groups comes out?

AJDE ANA!

jelenacg
Oct 29th, 2008, 06:31 PM
I always thought you should ask for a photo with a player after the training,anyway that`s the impression i got

rechi
Oct 29th, 2008, 07:24 PM
I always thought you should ask for a photo with a player after the training,anyway that`s the impression i got

Yep! Now i know, after the training would have been the better moment. The next time i will ask for a photo after the whole thing. But you know, if you don't try to get a photo, you'll never get one.
Anyway it was a bad idea by myself :banghead:

ce
Oct 29th, 2008, 07:30 PM
i want JJ Ana final :drool:

doni1212
Oct 29th, 2008, 09:10 PM
The draw comes out on Saturday. I think that's when we'll hear of the groups.
Oh and I'd rather have a picture than an autograph. What do you do with an autograph? I always wondered, :shrug:

rechi
Oct 29th, 2008, 09:31 PM
An autograph always looks good in my room:D
Therefore an another story of Linz. Alona Bondarenko had one of the last matches on Thursday and not many people were watching, because it was about 10pm. So me and my friend went for an autograph after the match. She is really nice gave us an autograph and we talked a little bit :yeah:

Dexter
Oct 29th, 2008, 09:39 PM
Alona wasn't really talkative when I tried to chat with her. :p Ana was much nicer. :angel:

rechi
Oct 29th, 2008, 09:52 PM
Hey Dexter! Have you been in Linz? Or did you try to chat with Alona and Ana at a other tournament???

Dexter
Oct 29th, 2008, 10:50 PM
Hey Dexter! Have you been in Linz? Or did you try to chat with Alona and Ana at a other tournament???No, I haven't been to Linz... I mean I've been in the city a couple years ago, but not at the tournament last week. ;)
I met Ana in Warsaw 2006.

jonnyroyale_13
Oct 30th, 2008, 06:50 AM
What do you do with an autograph? I always wondered, :shrug:

As a kid its a good way to get to meet a star, and as an adult autograph hunters mostly want to make money, but for dedicated fans its just a nice souvenir. I bought an Ivanovic auto card on Ebay last year for a steal, but what i do with it? Not much, I keep it a box.:lol:

Princeza
Oct 30th, 2008, 08:24 PM
i want JJ Ana final :drool:

Serbian sensations forum would be on fire :hearts:

bruce goose
Oct 30th, 2008, 08:30 PM
Serbian sensations forum would be on fire :hearts:WOW!What an avatar,Naima!:D

Princeza
Oct 30th, 2008, 09:23 PM
WOW!What an avatar,Naima!:D

Australia's blue :inlove:

SOA_MC
Oct 30th, 2008, 09:33 PM
The puppy, the drama queen, the shriek and the devil

Ana, Jankovic, Pova and Vaidisova

Correct? didn't know you were a Jankovic fan:unsure:

bruce goose
Oct 30th, 2008, 09:37 PM
The puppy, the drama queen, the shriek and the devil

Ana, Jankovic, Pova and Vaidisova

Correct? didn't know you were a Jankovic fan:unsure:Sorry for the tangent,but why exactly is Vaidisova the devil?Is that what her surname means in Czech?There was a baseball player named Teufel a few years back,but I don't know if he spoke any German:lol:

Princeza
Oct 30th, 2008, 09:48 PM
Ana, Jankovic, Pova and Vaidisova

Correct? didn't know you were a Jankovic fan:unsure:

For a bit more than a year :p
I realized you changed your username :lol:

Sorry for the tangent,but why exactly is Vaidisova the devil?Is that what her surname means in Czech?There was a baseball player named Teufel a few years back,but I don't know if he spoke any German:lol:

:lol: She's Devilsova; i got used to call her like that

SOA_MC
Oct 30th, 2008, 09:51 PM
Sorry for the tangent,but why exactly is Vaidisova the devil?Is that what her surname means in Czech?There was a baseball player named Teufel a few years back,but I don't know if he spoke any German:lol:

I think she got the nickname after yelling at a ball kid a few years ago and just because of her general on court attitude up untill this year:o

bruce goose
Oct 30th, 2008, 09:57 PM
I think she got the nickname after yelling at a ball kid a few years ago and just because of her general on court attitude up untill this year:oUp until this year??Does that mean that she changed her attitude or that she's never on court anymore??:lol:....Seriously,though,thanks for the basic explanation and sorry to Ana fans:worship: for the Vaidisova tangent

SOA_MC
Oct 30th, 2008, 10:07 PM
Up until this year??Does that mean that she changed her attitude or that she's never on court anymore??:lol:....Seriously,though,thanks for the basic explanation and sorry to Ana fans:worship: for the Vaidisova tangent

Now she just doesn't care anymore:mad::sad: I agree this thread should go back on topic

Dodoboy.
Nov 1st, 2008, 01:26 AM
Is she there yet? :inlove:

doni1212
Nov 1st, 2008, 03:25 AM
I don't think so. I'm not sure though.

Dodoboy.
Nov 1st, 2008, 01:51 PM
The evil serb is there already!

jonnyroyale_13
Nov 1st, 2008, 04:14 PM
If somebody is wanting to be the first to post the groups in GM, keep tabs on Ivanovics website. Last year it was the first place to report the pairings.;)

gaviotabr
Nov 1st, 2008, 09:44 PM
Ana was really practising in Dubai! She is supposed to arrive tonight in Doha! From her latest diary entry:

Last event of the year / November 01, 2008
I will arrive in Doha on Saturday night. I've been training in Dubai for the past few days. I preferrred to go there than arrive at the tournament very early, because it was a little quieter and a more relaxed environment.

It's been a long season, but I feel like I'm in good condition ahead of the last event of the year. I have great motivation for this event - then I will enjoy a very relaxing break afterwards!

This is the kind of opportunity that I train for - the chance to test myself against the best players in the world. I very much enjoyed the tournament when it was in Madrid last year, and I hope to be able to play some good tennis again at the tournament's new home in Qatar.

There are always a lot of promotional activities before big events like this, so on Sunday and Monday I will take part in some media events: some interviews, a small photo shoot and a surprise stunt that I am excited about. That's all I will say for now: you will be able to see the pictures soon!

Love
Ana

Balltossovic
Nov 1st, 2008, 09:47 PM
I wonder what the stunt will be:scratch:

gaviotabr
Nov 1st, 2008, 09:52 PM
I wonder what he stunt will be:scratch:

Me too! She is great at letting us curious!

Balltossovic
Nov 1st, 2008, 09:58 PM
Anci baby playing with our emotions;)

Dexter
Nov 1st, 2008, 10:09 PM
I'm guessing she was jumping on a bungee from newly built skyscraper in Dubai. :p

Balltossovic
Nov 1st, 2008, 10:15 PM
Good God I hope not!

Ksenia.
Nov 1st, 2008, 11:10 PM
a stunt? this got me interested :lol:

Princeza
Nov 1st, 2008, 11:25 PM
"a small photo shoot and a surprise stunt that I am excited about. "

No way :hearts: So exciting :hearts:

Balltossovic
Nov 2nd, 2008, 01:57 AM
http://www.freesmileys.org/custom/image/brown%5E_%5Earial%5E_%5E0%5E_%5E0%5E_%5EDoha groups still not out%5E_%5E.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/custom)

gaviotabr
Nov 2nd, 2008, 01:04 AM
http://www.freesmileys.org/custom/image/brown%5E_%5Earial%5E_%5E0%5E_%5E0%5E_%5EDoha groups still not out%5E_%5E.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/custom)

I'm getting a bit nervous.. :lol:

The draw will be made tomorrow at 3 pm. Doha time.. so there is still quite some time.

Ana must be in Doha already.. I suppose we will have pictures of her arrival tomorrow.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 2nd, 2008, 01:05 AM
http://www.freesmileys.org/custom/image/brown%5E_%5Earial%5E_%5E0%5E_%5E0%5E_%5EDoha groups still not out%5E_%5E.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/custom)

13 hours I guess?

Balltossovic
Nov 2nd, 2008, 01:10 AM
I'm getting a bit nervous.. :lol:

The draw will be made tomorrow at 3 pm. Doha time.. so there is still quite some time.

Ana must be in Doha already.. I suppose we will have pictures of her arrival tomorrow.
Ana will have bepa, Sveta, and JJ in her group:angel:
13 hours I guess?
Such a long time:sobbing:

gaviotabr
Nov 2nd, 2008, 01:13 AM
Ana will have bepa, Sveta, and JJ in her group:angel:


I don't really mind between JJ and Dinara. But I don't want Venus and Dementieva!!

Balltossovic
Nov 2nd, 2008, 01:19 AM
PLEASE NO! None of them until the final. Ana WILL get her revenge on Demented!

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/violent090.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/violent098.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/) http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/violent069.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/)

kim86
Nov 2nd, 2008, 11:13 AM
I don't know why i have this wierd feeling, but i feel like groups will be:
JJ, Ana, Lena, Venus
Dinara, Serena, Sveta, Vera

I'm really hoping to have the wrong feeling :sad:

gaviotabr
Nov 2nd, 2008, 11:20 AM
I don't know why i have this wierd feeling, but i feel like groups will be:
JJ, Ana, Lena, Venus
Dinara, Serena, Sveta, Vera

I'm really hoping to have the wrong feeling :sad:

That would be the worst posible scenario.. :sad:

Still no pics of Ana's arrival?

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 2nd, 2008, 11:37 AM
I don't know why i have this wierd feeling, but i feel like groups will be:
JJ, Ana, Lena, Venus
Dinara, Serena, Sveta, Vera

I'm really hoping to have the wrong feeling :sad:

Why?
You don't think Ana can win here?
We all want her to win and if she wins, then it's even better with a hard draw.

Davodus
Nov 2nd, 2008, 11:38 AM
I don't know why i have this wierd feeling, but i feel like groups will be:
JJ, Ana, Lena, Venus
Dinara, Serena, Sveta, Vera

I'm really hoping to have the wrong feeling :sad:

if those are the groups i will be :fiery: << like that

kim86
Nov 2nd, 2008, 11:40 AM
Why?
You don't think Ana can win here?
We all want her to win and if she wins, then it's even better with a hard draw.

That's for sure ;) A win like that would be great!

But...i'm a little bit worried about my coronaries :lol:

kim86
Nov 2nd, 2008, 11:42 AM
if those are the groups i will be :fiery: << like that

Well...i hope you won't be mad at me in that case :tape::lol:

gaviotabr
Nov 2nd, 2008, 11:47 AM
That's for sure ;) A win like that would be great!

But...i'm a little bit worried about my coronaries :lol:

I'm also a bit worried about my coronaries.. but in any scenario posible! Aisss

Davodus
Nov 2nd, 2008, 11:56 AM
Well...i hope you won't be mad at me in that case :tape::lol:

no...but just because you are an ana fan:lol:

Costanza
Nov 2nd, 2008, 01:44 PM
http://i35.tinypic.com/2hz4kk4.jpg
Ana in Dubai!
http://www.xpress4me.com/sport/uae/tennis/20010309.html

Balltossovic
Nov 2nd, 2008, 01:45 PM
Sven's back! Yay:bounce: I was getting worried. Who's the other man?

jelenacg
Nov 2nd, 2008, 02:10 PM
It says he is Misel Klesinger
http://www.eyeofdubai.com/v1/news/newsdetail-20805.htm
He is official Tennis Coach of Habtoor Grand Resort & Spa where she stayed
I`m also very happy to see Sven:)

kim86
Nov 2nd, 2008, 02:31 PM
What a relief to see Sven still with Ana :)

kim86
Nov 2nd, 2008, 02:52 PM
Out the groups:

White: Jelena Jankovic (Ser, 1), Ana Ivanovic (Ser, 2), Svetlana Kuznetsova (Rus, 7), Vera Zvonareva (Rus, 6).

Red: Dinara Safina (Rus, 2), Serena Williams (Usa, 3), Elena Dementieva (Rus, 4), Venus Williams (Usa, 8).

bruce goose
Nov 2nd, 2008, 02:56 PM
Out the groups:

White: Jelena Jankovic (Ser, 1), Ana Ivanovic (Ser, 2), Svetlana Kuznetsova (Rus, 7), Vera Zvonareva (Rus, 6).

Red: Dinara Safina (Rus, 2), Serena Williams (Usa, 3), Elena Dementieva (Rus, 4), Venus Williams (Usa, 8).In terms of being grouped with players whom she's had success against,this was the easiest possible draw....Although JJ HAS been quite strong in recent weeks

gaviotabr
Nov 2nd, 2008, 02:59 PM
Out the groups:

White: Jelena Jankovic (Ser, 1), Ana Ivanovic (Ser, 2), Svetlana Kuznetsova (Rus, 7), Vera Zvonareva (Rus, 6).

Red: Dinara Safina (Rus, 2), Serena Williams (Usa, 3), Elena Dementieva (Rus, 4), Venus Williams (Usa, 8).

I can't say I like the groups.. but it's definitely good for Ana's possibility to make the semis! So.. :bounce:

Nikkiri
Nov 2nd, 2008, 03:07 PM
Good group for Ana. Good luck do some damage. :)

MarieC
Nov 2nd, 2008, 03:14 PM
Ana couldn't have gotten a better draw!

gaviotabr
Nov 2nd, 2008, 03:14 PM
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/3/global/includes/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/1/global/Pdfs/events/2008/championships_draws.pdf

rechi
Nov 2nd, 2008, 03:24 PM
Yeah!

Really nice draw. I mean could be better for Ana, but both Williams are in the maroon gruop.
I think the groups are very even, anything could happen. And i can't wait for the two major clashes :bounce: Jelena - Ana ; Serena - Venus :bounce:

Princeza
Nov 2nd, 2008, 03:28 PM
I'm so exciting with all these fist pump to come.
http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00185/ivanovic_185227t.jpg

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 2nd, 2008, 03:32 PM
Is it right that Ana plays:

1st: Jelena
2nd: Vera
3rd: Svetlana

?

Based on the H2H's, this is the best draw possible for Ana.
Of course dangerous to say she's in the SF, cause it still will be hard.

AJDE ANA!!!!

gaviotabr
Nov 2nd, 2008, 03:41 PM
Is it right that Ana plays:

1st: Jelena
2nd: Vera
3rd: Svetlana

?

Based on the H2H's, this is the best draw possible for Ana.
Of course dangerous to say she's in the SF, cause it still will be hard.

AJDE ANA!!!!

Yes.. and the first match will probably be a tough one against Jankovic, who is definitely hungry to beat Ana. I hope Ana shows that fire and desire she always brings to court against JJ.

Nikkiri
Nov 2nd, 2008, 03:47 PM
Jelena fans want blood. :lol: :tape: I don't think they've ever wanted Jelena to beat a player more than Ana. :p

I could care less who Ana beats aslong as she beats them all. :armed:

mure
Nov 2nd, 2008, 04:13 PM
i was hopin for the exactly opposite draw..now Ana is seen as a favotite to go 3-0,hopefully this won't put more pressure on her..besides i wanted her to finally beat Dementieva :fiery:

the round robin matches don't get me much pumped but nevertheless good luck to our girl :)

jelenacg
Nov 2nd, 2008, 04:19 PM
Her first match will be the toughest,bc since Ana has been strougling with her injury and form JJ was in US open final(after 0-4 in semis) and won 3 tournaments in a row
JJ is now #1 player and she needs to win something `important` this year and this is her last chance and she needs to beat Ana
So JJ will be very inspired but also she will have all the pressure on her and don`t forget their record after all tennis is also a very mental game

Dinayer
Nov 2nd, 2008, 04:45 PM
good draw :)
good luck ana :D

Dinayer
Nov 2nd, 2008, 04:47 PM
first match is on tuesday
right?

Ksenia.
Nov 2nd, 2008, 04:49 PM
Hopefully Ana and JJ will qualify... good draw for Ana :yeah:

Dexter
Nov 2nd, 2008, 06:42 PM
Draw couldn't be better, that's true. Now it's all up to her. AJDE!!! :)

kim86
Nov 2nd, 2008, 11:20 PM
Yes.. and the first match will probably be a tough one against Jankovic, who is definitely hungry to beat Ana. I hope Ana shows that fire and desire she always brings to court against JJ.

I don't think that will be the Order of play. It's more like the list of all matches, they pick the first seed and write her matches in a row, followed by others matches ;)

gaviotabr
Nov 2nd, 2008, 11:25 PM
I don't think that will be the Order of play. It's more like the list of all matches, they pick the first seed and write her matches in a row, followed by others matches ;)

I hope that's not the first match.. I would like Ana to gain some rythm before the big clash against JJ. I want Ana to go 3-0 in her group! :bounce:

kim86
Nov 2nd, 2008, 11:30 PM
Yeah...me too!!! 3-0 and ready for the semi vs (probabily) one Williams...

About the draw...I'm quite sure i'm right ;)

gaviotabr
Nov 2nd, 2008, 11:36 PM
Yeah...me too!!! 3-0 and ready for the semi vs (probabily) one Williams...

About the draw...I'm quite sure i'm right ;)

I really hope you are right! I also hope Ana is fired up and focused for this tournament, as this will be key to her performance.

jonnyroyale_13
Nov 3rd, 2008, 01:07 AM
In terms of being grouped with players whom she's had success against,this was the easiest possible draw....Although JJ HAS been quite strong in recent weeks

Yeah,no doubt about it. I believe Ana and JJ take this group, just a matter of who goes 3-0, and who is 2-1. In the Russian match, i like Vera.
Whos going to win in the red group?:) Ill take Serena and Dinara

DownTheLine21
Nov 3rd, 2008, 01:30 AM
Wow! This is the best possible draw for Ana (in terms of being able to defend her points). Hopefully she gets through without a scare.

Davodus
Nov 3rd, 2008, 01:35 AM
It's a good draw for sure, but I'm not relaxing yet as all of those players are capable of beating ana on their day, however she hasn't lost to any of them this year so it's probably the best possible draw

ajde ana! :yeah:

gaviotabr
Nov 3rd, 2008, 01:51 AM
Wow! This is the best possible draw for Ana (in terms of being able to defend her points). Hopefully she gets through without a scare.

Ana will actually have to go 3-0 in her group or get into the final to defend her points. There is a new points break down at the YEC, the player only gets the full amount of points if undefeated.

Winner* 750
Finalist* 525
RR (3 wins) 345
RR (2 wins) 265
RR (1 win) 185
RR (no wins) 105

*Prize money / ranking points if undefeated.

Balltossovic
Nov 3rd, 2008, 02:23 AM
I just realized Dinara is the only other player who wears Adidas(sp?). It comforts me more to know he will be able to prepare Ana for all of her matches unless she has to play Dinara at some point. I called the draw before it came out. I somehow knew Ana would get JJ Bepa and Sveta. I'm gonna go ahead and say Ana will win her group hopefully with a 3:0 record and all in straight sets barring any mental let downs.

Orbis
Nov 3rd, 2008, 04:30 AM
Wow, nice draw for Ana. Jelena might be tough. Hopefully she can go 3-0! :D

She should be able to beat Kuznetsova and Zvonareva comfortably, they haven't been playing well.
Then again, you never know with Ana.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 3rd, 2008, 06:33 AM
SF last year was 335 points. Now it could be that she gets only 185 points with a SF in the worst case.

Not that it matters much cause 750 = 750.

gaviotabr
Nov 3rd, 2008, 08:59 AM
SF last year was 335 points. Now it could be that she gets only 185 points with a SF in the worst case.

Not that it matters much cause 750 = 750.


I think she can only get into a semi if she wins 2 matches right? Then she would get 265 points...

And she would only get 750 points if she wins all 5 matches. If she loses some match at round robin, but still ends up with the title, she will not get the full amount of points for the winner, as it's only if undefeated.

gaviotabr
Nov 3rd, 2008, 09:06 AM
I think I found out what the stunt Ana talked about is. She played a match against Dementieva in a desert island, in the middle of the ocean. I guess we will see pictures soon:

http://www.abnnewswire.net/press/en/58891/Sony_Ericsson_Championships_In_Doha_Opens_With_Fir st_Ever_Desert_Island_Game.html

Nikkiri
Nov 3rd, 2008, 10:13 AM
Tuesday, November 4, 2008

From 17.00hrs
1. Kuznetsova vs. Zvonareva
2. Jankovic vs. Ivanovic
3. Safina vs. V.Williams


AJDE! :rocker2:

gaviotabr
Nov 3rd, 2008, 10:16 AM
Tuesday, November 4, 2008

From 17.00hrs
1. Kuznetsova vs. Zvonareva
2. Jankovic vs. Ivanovic
3. Safina vs. V.Williams


AJDE! :rocker2:

Aisss... so it is the first match as I thought, then.. I'm already nervous. I think it's extremely important for Ana to win this one.

azdaja
Nov 3rd, 2008, 10:34 AM
on paper this is a great draw for ana. as long as she beats the russians it doesn't really matter what will happen in the match against jelena (except that it would be nice for ana to win as much ranking points as possible). and there is still a possibility for ana and jelena to meet in the final, so if ana has to lose a match to jelena it better doesn't happen in the final. i want all 750 points, though, so go ana! :armed:

Davodus
Nov 3rd, 2008, 12:49 PM
I'm really nervous already

and i have a test the day after, so i can't stay up late (because she will play late here) to follow the match

dammit!

AJDE, take down JJ :devil:

The Daviator
Nov 3rd, 2008, 02:35 PM
Ana can't beat JJ each time they play, it's a good match-up, but JJ is too good to lose everytime, so I'm worried :help: But hopefully she can take out the Russians.

Cp6uja
Nov 3rd, 2008, 03:03 PM
If she lose, it's not same thing will she lose in straight sets or in three. But if she lose in two she will be in danger for semi even with both wins against Russians.

I think I found out what the stunt Ana talked about is. She played a match against Dementieva in a desert island, in the middle of the ocean. I guess we will see pictures soon:

http://www.abnnewswire.net/press/en/58891/Sony_Ericsson_Championships_In_Doha_Opens_With_Fir st_Ever_Desert_Island_Game.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlx4uh2BG6M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlx4uh2BG6M)

jelenacg
Nov 3rd, 2008, 03:17 PM
Frankly i think this is Jelena`s biggest chance to beat Ana:tape::tape:,she was on fire in last tournaments and Ana even she won Linz she still wasn`t in her best form
And i`m a little worried about the draw ,i don`t think it will be as easy as it looks
Vera and Sveta are easy targets but only in finals

gaviotabr
Nov 3rd, 2008, 03:41 PM
If she lose, it's not same thing will she lose in straight sets or in three. But if she lose in two she will be in danger for semi even with both wins against Russians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlx4uh2BG6M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlx4uh2BG6M)

Thanks for the vídeo C6puja!

Yeah.. if Ana loses to JJ she will only secure her spot in the semis with wins over the russians, if JJ goes 3-0.

I really want Ana to win tomorrow.. I think it's going to be important for her confidence afterwards. But it's going to be very tough. Jankovic is definitely determined to prove herself by winning a big tournament and even more by beating Ana along the way. And Ana is still coming back to her best form. Also, Ana has a history of not performing well in an event after a title, she is usually not fired up. Ana is the type of player who needs to be 100% focused and fighting to be able to win. I just hope JJ brings the best out of Ana once again and Ana gets a good start to the tournament.

gaviotabr
Nov 3rd, 2008, 03:48 PM
Frankly i think this is Jelena`s biggest chance to beat Ana:tape::tape:,she was on fire in last tournaments and Ana even she won Linz she still wasn`t in her best form
And i`m a little worried about the draw ,i don`t think it will be as easy as it looks
Vera and Sveta are easy targets but only in finals

I agree with you. I'm worried.. I doubt Vera will play as crappy as she did in the final of Linz.. and Sveta already gave Ana a scare last year in the round robin stage.

And this is definitely JJ's best chance ever to beat Ana. Jankovic is totally confident, coming from a great run, believing in herself more than ever. Ana is coming back from a bad patch, not yet at her best form. She also has a history of bad performances after a title. I'm also worried about how a loss to JJ would affect Ana's confidence for the other matches. i really hope Ana shows up all fired up and wins tomorrow. That would be a confidence boost, and I would be feeling good about the rest of the tournament. I definitely think tomorrow's match is key.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 3rd, 2008, 06:49 PM
I think she can only get into a semi if she wins 2 matches right? Then she would get 265 points...

And she would only get 750 points if she wins all 5 matches. If she loses some match at round robin, but still ends up with the title, she will not get the full amount of points for the winner, as it's only if undefeated.

Ana can reach the semis with 1 win and 2 losses.
She also can be knocked out with 2 wins and 1 loss.

Princeza
Nov 3rd, 2008, 07:18 PM
Ana was in poor form, we can't expect her to have an easy path. I hope that Linz wasn't just luck and that she will put a great fight against Jelena.
May the best win! Ajde!

DownTheLine21
Nov 4th, 2008, 01:25 PM
Is there going to be a livestream?

gaviotabr
Nov 4th, 2008, 02:15 PM
Is there going to be a livestream?

I don't know. Brazilian Bandsports is going to be showing all matches live, and there is a livestream to it, but it does not work for me.

If you want to try:

http://www.tvtuga.com/content/view/1118/

I'm watching Kuzzie x Zvonareva.. and it's really windy. :help: Also, there is like no one watching the match.

gaviotabr
Nov 4th, 2008, 02:22 PM
The court seems quite fast to me. It will be important for Ana to serve well.

Also.. I don't know if Kuzzie and Vera are not being able to return well or if the wind is being a big factor, but there is some trouble returning.

gaviotabr
Nov 4th, 2008, 02:49 PM
Livestream:

http://pt-br.justin.tv/siki_sport

I'm nervous about Ana's match. It's really windy.. I just hopes she plays really well and wins. I won't be home, I have classes at university. I'll read all about it when I get home.. hopefully to good news.

gaviotabr
Nov 4th, 2008, 03:20 PM
They showed Jankovic watching the match between Vera and Kuzzie, and her coach Ricardo Sanchez holding a paper showing her how windy it is. :help:

gaviotabr
Nov 4th, 2008, 03:22 PM
I'm going to go to university now.

Ana, focus, serve well, fight for every point, play well, and win! Good Luck!

hcfoo
Nov 4th, 2008, 04:10 PM
Awww... Fernando Verdasco is by the courtside watching Ana's match!

bruce goose
Nov 4th, 2008, 05:07 PM
Well,I saw an intense look on Ana's face when she complained to the chair umpire so THAT encourages me.I'm SLIGHTLY concerned that Ana might let her off-court,personal life distract her from her tennis(this has caused ugly results before),but she seems MUCH stronger than she used to be so we'll see what happens.

It could be harder for Ana to focus knowing that she doesn't HAVE to win...PLUS Jelena,who's a tough opponent ANYway,probably feels a LOT more motivation to beat Ana with her 1-6 H2H and lesser popularity in Serbia despite being world #1....Impressive break from 0-40 for Ana...but now she just got broken back for 4-3:eek:.Ana will LIKELY,NO guarantees,make it to the next round if she beats Vera and Kuzy...back to the match now...

bruce goose
Nov 4th, 2008, 05:21 PM
Brief addendum...if Ana IS sick or slightly injured(she'll tell us later),then this result is actually fairly impressive cuz JJ is no chump...she forces you to play hard.3-6,4-5 now...

jonnyroyale_13
Nov 4th, 2008, 05:27 PM
Well shes in a hole now, but at least she can play another day. She played like crap in the big moments. JJ deserves big credit, she played pretty solid match.
Hopefully the stomach thing was just Ana using one of JJ tactics against her, but it looked very serious.

dybbuk
Nov 4th, 2008, 05:30 PM
The injury/sickness thing worries me. :( It was clearly bothering her a lot, she looked so awful out there, like she was about to faint for a little bit, and she would never just walk off the court in the middle of a point if it wasn't something serious. Hopefully she gets better.

Considering how bad she played and still kept it an ok scoreline, she should still qualify if this injury isn't too bad.

bruce goose
Nov 4th, 2008, 05:32 PM
Before Dinara-Venus starts,I'll just say that I've seen even some highly consistent players who lost non-elimination matches at YEC.I kinda got the image in my head of two boxers who were sparring for a later bout.ONE of them,JJ,was a little more driven probably but,in the back of her mind,it was likely difficult for Ana to ignore the thought:"I don't need to kill myself in tHIS match.As long as I knock off Vera and Kuzy,I can make the semis." As we already know,this is NOT a guarantee,but the odds are that it'll go this way IF Ana wins the other 2 round robins.I'm gonna reserve judgment until I see how Ana does in the other two matches.I THINK she'll make it,yet only time will tell(the suspense builds within me:eek:):lol:

Davodus
Nov 4th, 2008, 05:32 PM
im worried :eek:

Dexter
Nov 4th, 2008, 05:37 PM
Ana :help:
GM :help::help:

I can't even put into words what I'm thinking. Losing to Janković in straight sets it's a sign of a very low confidence. She really had chances to get back there and wasted them with stupid low % shots.
And about that strange incident. Well, I don't know but me myself I often have these strokes of terrible migraine that makes me feel I'm going to fait immediately. It happens often out of effort. All I need is to sit down for a couple of minutes and it usually goes away. Could be that with Ana, but I can't be sure. :shrug:

Marilyn Monheaux
Nov 4th, 2008, 05:43 PM
Ana will come back against Sveta and Vera! You guys have to believe in her!!!
I do!:yeah:

jelenacg
Nov 4th, 2008, 05:48 PM
First of all i think Jelena totally deserved to win ,she was the better player today
Actually i have impression that she was attacking more even i saw in the end that Ana had more winners
What was that blue thing on Ana`s shoulder and what was with her in the end?
Anyway now we know for sure that she and Verdasco are a couple
Now i don`t know what to think about next two matches it will be very tough for her

Ksenia.
Nov 4th, 2008, 05:57 PM
Well... even though Ana lost, I think she has a good chance to beat Sveta and Vera.... but that incident in the end scared me :o

Princeza
Nov 4th, 2008, 06:00 PM
Awww... Fernando Verdasco is by the courtside watching Ana's match!

EWWWWWW :o

I believe in you Anci :sad:
I wasn't expecting a win from her but now I don't want to think she'll be out before getting to the semis. AJDE!!!

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 4th, 2008, 06:05 PM
I can be really short about this match.

Ana, christmas is next month. Then it's time for presents, this is YEC.

Or 1 word can also say it all: UNNECESSARY.

Once again Jelena didn't impress me at all and Ana could come back whenever she wanted. When she increased her level, she outplayed Jelena.
But the next game she netted a whole game away. It's easy to see when you watch the match again. Netcords and challenges were also in Jelena's favor but that may not matter much.

I guess Ana was kinda dizzy or something in the end. Hard to say.
I'd like to know how much it bothered her. I guess not enough to explain the errors.

Tomorrow it's simple. She MUST defeat Vera or else it's over.

AJDE ANA!!!!

Dinayer
Nov 4th, 2008, 06:24 PM
you can do it ana!
ajde!!!

gaviotabr
Nov 4th, 2008, 06:31 PM
Oh no! I did not watch.. and I don't think I will..

Well.. it's simple now.. she has to beat Vera tomorrow, or it's over. Sometimes things look good on paper, but in the end of the day, on court it's not so good and luck in not on your side.

I guess she keeps the tradition to play crappy tennis right after a title...

And I hope she won't let off court interests take her focus away.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 4th, 2008, 06:37 PM
Jelena didn't play better today then LA 2007 SF, or 2008 RG SF.
At 6-3 3-2, Jelena had only 9 winners, 1 of them in set 2.
That says a lot about Ana's game today.

jelenacg
Nov 4th, 2008, 06:50 PM
Jelena is not the player who is going to impress you(i don`t mean anything bad by that) but in last couple of months she was just to solid like today
She made a few UE ,she was serving ok...
Ana was nervous from the start,she made a lot of UE and i don`t think she ever had a lead in this match,so she didn`t put any pressure on Jelena
And i got the feeling through whole match that she was very frustrated and nervous and couldnt calm herself,she was also very impatient
Jelena didn`t do today anything differenet she was hitting 72% of the balls to Ana`s backhand-nothing new in that

gaviotabr
Nov 4th, 2008, 06:57 PM
Jelena didn't play better today then LA 2007 SF, or 2008 RG SF.
At 6-3 3-2, Jelena had only 9 winners, 1 of them in set 2.
That says a lot about Ana's game today.

What worries me most is this tradition of playing crappy after every title. She needs to cut it out.

And Vera played great today against Kuznetsova. She is not going to hand Ana the match like in Linz final. Seriously... I was very optimistic about at least a semi.. now.. uff.. It's going to be really hard for Ana. I'm just upset.. it's not even about losing to Jankovic, that would happen someday.. JJ is very steady, she always plays to her level. Ana can play great, in those days she will always beat JJ. But Ana can also play like crap.. and in those days she won't beat any top 10 player, let alona a motivated and confident Jankovic. I just don't know what to expect tomorrow.. is Ana going to be able to pull herself together in time? If she was playing Kuzzie, I would be more confident.. but Vera was pretty solid today.

gaviotabr
Nov 4th, 2008, 07:04 PM
Jelena is not the player who is going to impress you(i don`t mean anything bad by that) but in last couple of months she was just to solid like today
She made a few UE ,she was serving ok...
Ana was nervous from the start,she made a lot of UE and i don`t think she ever had a lead in this match,so she didn`t put any pressure on Jelena
And i got the feeling through whole match that she was very frustrated and nervous and couldnt calm herself,she was also very impatient
Jelena didn`t do today anything differenet she was hitting 72% of the balls to Ana`s backhand-nothing new in that

That's what worries me. What's bothering Ana? Why isn't she relaxed? I don't know sbout Verdasco being there. I have nothing against them together.. Ana can do whatever she wants with her life. But she lost both matches that he was in her box. Does this puts some extra pressure on her? When I played tennis as a kid, I hated to see my father in the audience, it would just get me all nervous. I only liked my mom to be there. :help:

jelenacg
Nov 4th, 2008, 07:12 PM
People are making a big deal about her lost to Jelena
I always thought that her good record against JJ was bc she always played good when she was in final or semifinal of some tournament,if she was playing bad she could reach semifinal or final and JJ could
LA last year she was playing good,IW this year,also RG
But JJ can reach a semifinal of some tournament even if she isn`t playing well and Ana when she is off she is off
This is the first tournament where they have met and Ana isn`t playing very well and JJ is good
I don`t think Ana will have any problem defeating JJ when she is playing on her level but today you have to give credit to JJ

bruce goose
Nov 4th, 2008, 07:15 PM
That's what worries me. What's bothering Ana? Why isn't she relaxed? I don't know sbout Verdasco being there. I have nothing against them together.. Ana can do whatever she wants with her life. But she lost both matches that he was in her box. Does this puts some extra pressure on her? When I played tennis as a kid, I hated to see my father in the audience, it would just get me all nervous. I only liked my mom to be there. :help:EXCELLENT point:worship:,and the fact that you're a woman precludes anyone of childishly accusing you of jealousy.It's a little surprising that more of Ana's loyal fans don't focus at all on the big picture as YOU do.However,this WASN'T a life-or-death match as you get with single elimination,so we'll see if Ana can re-focus tomorrow.After she overcame her 'Dark Period',I believe that she has it within her:)

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 4th, 2008, 07:15 PM
I don`t think Ana will have any problem defeating JJ when she is playing on her level but today you have to give credit to JJ

That concludes who's the better player. Not that it helps today.
If Ana beats Jelena later in this tournament, then I can happily forget about this day.

gaviotabr
Nov 4th, 2008, 07:17 PM
People are making a big deal about her lost to Jelena
I always thought that her good record against JJ was bc she always played good when she was in final or semifinal of some tournament,if she was playing bad she could reach semifinal or final and JJ could
LA last year she was playing good,IW this year,also RG
But JJ can reach a semifinal of some tournament even if she isn`t playing well and Ana when she is off she is off
This is the first tournament where they have met and Ana isn`t playing very well and JJ is good
I don`t think Ana will have any problem defeating JJ when she is playing on her level but today you have to give credit to JJ


Agreed. When Ana was not playing well she would never reach a match against JJ. When they played it meant that Ana was already playing quite well. When Ana plays well, she can definitely beat JJ. The thing is.. Ana's continued trend to play like crap first match after a title.

The real question now is: Can she recover in time for tomorrow's match? I'm not very optimistic.

Balltossovic
Nov 4th, 2008, 07:21 PM
She can do it:armed:

gaviotabr
Nov 4th, 2008, 07:37 PM
Just watched a bit of it..

Where is that fire Ana showed for the past 2 weeks? There was just no fight... That is what worries me every time Ana wins a title. She seems to get too happy and loses the fire she needs to win matches. Ana is not a player who can win when she is not 100% into the match.

I can only hope Vera helps out tomorrow with tons of unforced errors.. Sveta is not playing well at all, so Ana can definitely beat her. But Vera was very solid today, and if Ana doesn't show some desire tomorrow and fights hard for the win, then it's over.

jelenacg
Nov 4th, 2008, 07:39 PM
Agreed. When Ana was not playing well she would never reach a match against JJ. When they played it meant that Ana was already playing quite well. When Ana plays well, she can definitely beat JJ. The thing is.. Ana's continued trend to play like crap first match after a title.

The real question now is: Can she recover in time for tomorrow's match? I'm not very optimistic.

Well me neither,with Ana you always know how she will play in the future when you see her first match of the tournament,she played bad Wimbledon and she lost the next match she is not like JJ saving a match point in her first match in Australian open and then she reached semifinal
That`s why i`m not very optimistic about tomorrow
And i don`t think Verdasco had anything to do with her defeat

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 4th, 2008, 07:45 PM
Just watched a bit of it..

Where is that fire Ana showed for the past 2 weeks? There was just no fight...

The fire was there, but just not enough oil to keep it alive.
Last year she started with a 2-1, that's not good if it comes to a tie. Now a 0-2 loss and Vera is 2-0. It's simple, every match is a final now. Although Jelena saved Ana a lot this year.

gaviotabr
Nov 4th, 2008, 07:45 PM
Well me neither,with Ana you always know how she will play in the future when you see her first match of the tournament,she played bad Wimbledon and she lost the next match she is not like JJ saving a match point in her first match in Australian open and then she reached semifinal
That`s why i`m not very optimistic about tomorrow
And i don`t think Verdasco had anything to do with her defeat

Yes.. Ana does not seem to recover well from bad performances.. it seems to kill her confidence. I wrote before that this match would be key.. and I still think it is. Now I just wish she was on the other group.. at least going 1-2 (as I believe she will beat Sveta, who was terrible today) would not be as bad if she was facing Dementieva, Venus and Safina. But in this group, it's disaster. Would be a terrible way to end the season.. but I guess thinking about the second half of the year, It's not really a surprise.

As for Verdasco.. I don't think he had anything to do with the loss.. but his presence can be a distraction to Ana. She loses focus so easily in normal conditions, imagine having someone who she has been dating for a small amount of time (still time to impress) in the audience.. it might not affect her performance directly.. but it can get her a bit more nervous.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 4th, 2008, 07:49 PM
Well me neither,with Ana you always know how she will play in the future when you see her first match of the tournament,she played bad Wimbledon and she lost the next match she is not like JJ saving a match point in her first match in Australian open and then she reached semifinal
That`s why i`m not very optimistic about tomorrow
And i don`t think Verdasco had anything to do with her defeat

Gladly that's not completely true. Ana's worst match at AO this year was the first round. Also in Luxembourg last year, Ana was almost losing a set against Kremer.

I agree with the last sentence.

gaviotabr
Nov 4th, 2008, 07:52 PM
The fire was there, but just not enough oil to keep it alive.
Last year she started with a 2-1, that's not good if it comes to a tie. Now a 0-2 loss and Vera is 2-0. It's simple, every match is a final now. Although Jelena saved Ana a lot this year.

Yes.. every match is a final now. If she still wants to be in the semis, she has to win her next two matches. I believe JJ will go 3-0, as Kuzzie played terrible today and Vera just folds to JJ.

Ana can definitely beat both Vera and Kuzzie. I would rather that she would start out against Kuzzie, who I believe would give Ana a lot of unforced errors to help her out. Vera was extremely solid today.. I just don't know if Ana can get her head and her game together for tomorrow.. and I don't know what this loss can do to her confidence. The bad thing is that if Ana loses tomorrow, she probably won't be top4 for the AO.

By the way.. was Ana moving to the net?

bruce goose
Nov 4th, 2008, 07:57 PM
That`s why i`m not very optimistic about tomorrow
And i don`t think Verdasco had anything to do with her defeatJelena,I agree with you on the second point,in part,but disagree with the first.Ana is old enough that she shouldn't be nervous with either her father OR boyfriend in the crowd;she's not 17 anymore.However,the question is how focused she might be if she's running around with her boyfriend off-court during intense competition.In THAT respect,Gavi makes a strong point because Ana has ALWAYS played poorly and unfocused while she was doing this.Good boxers NEVER hang out with their wives or gfs before big bouts.

On the first point,I think it's hard for Ana to raise her intensity high enough for a player of JJ's(or Serena's,Venus's,Elena D.'s,etc.) caliber when she knows that she doesn't HAVE to win(due to this unique format).I remember Masha playing a crappy match vs. Petrova at YEC one year(again,a round robin match),and then she easily made the semis.With her back against the wall,I believe that Ana will pull through...IF she's focused and not off-court distracted...she can find her way:)

rasko
Nov 4th, 2008, 07:59 PM
"It was kind of a new experience for me and to be honest I had to work on it because at the beginning it was a little bit hard to handle all of it," says the current world number four.

"I have a personality that I'm more concerned about other people's feelings and what other people are saying.

"So I took some time to work on that and actually the pressure I have comes from myself, from within, because I expect more from myself and want to achieve bigger things.

"Once you realise it comes from within, it's much easier to handle it because you have the power over it, to direct it in the way you want. Ever since I realised that I've been enjoying it much more."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/7682768.stm

She knows what her problem is... I think it was obovious today too - she kept looking at her box whenever she made mistake.

Chill out Ana, please.:)

jelenacg
Nov 4th, 2008, 08:00 PM
Maybe but i don`t think so, when you have someone cheering for you in your box that can be only a good thing and she looks shy and is a good girl but i don`t think she would mind telling him not to watch her match if that was a problem
And i also don`t think she is that naive person as people are saying and that she would fall for some sweet words from Verdasco

mure
Nov 4th, 2008, 08:03 PM
even if she wins the next two matches JJ will make sure that Ana won't qualify to next round..she's the devil in disguise i tell ya

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 4th, 2008, 08:06 PM
The bad thing is that if Ana loses tomorrow, she probably won't be top4 for the AO.

By the way.. was Ana moving to the net?

4th or 5th for AO Open is nothing to worry about. You always have to beat top players to win there.

Ana was hardly moving to the net, it just wasn't the match for that.
Actually she found the net a lot. If it was soccer she would be fantastic today.
Except for that Ana had a gun as well. Shooting winners, sadly it was empty before you knew it.

gaviotabr
Nov 4th, 2008, 08:06 PM
even if she wins the next two matches JJ will make sure that Ana won't qualify to next round..she's the devil in disguise i tell ya

Aiss mure.. c'mon...

Though imagine if Ana goes 2-1 (loss to JJ), JJ 2-1 (loss to Vera) and Vera 2-1 (loss to Ana). I guess they look at the number of sets won.. would have helped to have taken into a third set today. :sad:

gaviotabr
Nov 4th, 2008, 08:09 PM
4th or 5th for AO Open is nothing to worry about. You always have to beat top players to win there.

Ana was hardly moving to the net, it just wasn't the match for that.
Actually she found the net a lot. If it was soccer she would be fantastic today.
Except for that Ana had a gun as well. Shooting winners, sadly it was empty before you knew it.

I really don't want to watch the match.. but I always thought that against a great defensive player like JJ, it was a good strategy to move to the net to finish off points faster. Ralling with JJ is not good, since she is so steady.. she won't give away free points.

Well.. I would not like to see Ana meeting Sharapova in the 4th round of AO.

Princeza
Nov 4th, 2008, 08:10 PM
even if she wins the next two matches JJ will make sure that Ana won't qualify to next round..she's the devil in disguise i tell ya

:haha: You made my day.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 4th, 2008, 08:14 PM
Well.. I would not like to see Ana meeting Sharapova in the 4th round of AO.

Why not? Winning that would only make it more beautiful!

jelenacg
Nov 4th, 2008, 08:20 PM
No i don`t think JJ will lose to Vera or Sveta trust me you don`t have to worry about that,the only thing you have to worry is Ana`s game tomorrow
I won`t be able to watch her match tomorrow but i hope i will see some good results
One thing i know it won`t be an easy match like in Linz

gaviotabr
Nov 4th, 2008, 08:25 PM
Why not? Winning that would only make it more beautiful!

Losing it would be awful.. apart from representing a 560 point loss and slid in the rankings. Just more easy talk to the haters.

Unfortunately, I don't trust Ana's game enough right now to believe she could beat a healthy and gunning Sharapova.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 4th, 2008, 08:34 PM
Losing it would be awful.. apart from representing a 560 point loss and slid in the rankings. Just more easy talk to the haters.

Unfortunately, I don't trust Ana's game enough right now to believe she could beat a healthy and gunning Sharapova.

Just expect to play awful in Berlin, Rome and then win RG?
Or losing 4 out of 5 matches and 2 weeks later winning a tournaments with a win over 2 top 10 players?
I'm a fan since 2005 and still can die after every match, cause you just can't trust her game.

jelenacg
Nov 4th, 2008, 08:40 PM
:haha::haha: With Ana you never know what to expect

bruce goose
Nov 4th, 2008, 08:43 PM
Just expect to play awful in Berlin, Rome and then win RG?
Or losing 4 out of 5 matches and 2 weeks later winning a tournaments with a win over 2 top 10 players?
I'm a fan since 2005 and still can die after every match, cause you just can't trust her game.Mostly,I'm in agreement with Sjoerd here but I'll take it one step further.Ana looked,AND acted,as if she were completely burned out...and THEN,pro'bly with help from Sven and Dragana,she found a way to overcome.Individual losses aren't going to completely kill Ana's confidence anymore.NOT after this newfound strength she's discovered for the first time.She can look to what she's already vanquished to brush aside these lesser setbacks:)

Costanza
Nov 4th, 2008, 09:16 PM
No i don`t think JJ will lose to Vera or Sveta trust me you don`t have to worry about that,the only thing you have to worry is Ana`s game tomorrow
I won`t be able to watch her match tomorrow but i hope i will see some good results
One thing i know it won`t be an easy match like in Linz

I have a weird feeling that Sveta will win:shrug:

jelenacg
Nov 4th, 2008, 09:49 PM
I have a weird feeling that Sveta will win:shrug:
I have a strange feeling that Ana will lose tomorrow :mad:
Even if Sveta wins ,everything is on Ana she needs to have 2wins and then Sveta and Vera will have 1 win

bruce goose
Nov 4th, 2008, 10:08 PM
I have a strange feeling that Ana will lose tomorrow :mad:
Even if Sveta wins ,everything is on Ana she needs to have 2wins and then Sveta and Vera will have 1 win....and YOU called ME pessimistic,'Jelenacg':lol:...which I WAS;).The difference is that I had several months of sh--ty play plus a burned-out-looking Ana to back me up....and YOU'Ve given up after one match:o...wish I could send you some flowers to cheer you up:).As long as she can stay focused OFF-court,i.e.,delay the celebrating 'til after YEC,then she'll do well....If she has late-night birthday-related activities with her novio,THEN we might see a double-bagel put on her by Vera:eek:....Seriously,though,we'll see that New Ana again tomorrow:)

jelenacg
Nov 4th, 2008, 10:31 PM
Well for me being pessimistic you can blame my brother,he couldn`t stop talking after the match that maybe she is mentally tired after such a long season and having bad period for her and that after winning a title in Linz she is done with tennis for this year(he maybe right so many things happened to her this season first GS,long slump,boyfriend)
Actually he was saying all these things even before Doha but i just didn`t think he was right

bruce goose
Nov 4th, 2008, 10:57 PM
Well for me being pessimistic you can blame my brother,he couldn`t stop talking after the match that maybe she is mentally tired after such a long season and having bad period for her and that after winning a title in Linz she is done with tennis for this year(he maybe right so many things happened to her this season first GS,long slump,boyfriend)
Actually he was saying all these things even before Doha but i just didn`t think he was rightOkay,I'll blame your brother,Jelena:hug:....He MIGHT be right but she didn't appear overly drained when she got to Doha...it may have simply been a stomachache or diarrhea that left her out of sorts.

If she shows a little more wisdom in managing her off-court activities,THEN that part won't be so exhausting.Going to Verdasco's hotel room in Beijing wasn't too smart in light of her huge slump then,and she only brought mockery upon herself by doing that while she was playing so poorly...not to mention the increased media coverage she put herself under.I'd say that Elena Dementieva sets a good example in this regard.She's drop-dead gorgeous,yet you practically NEVER hear any mention of her boyfriend(a hockey player,I believe),and Elena seems to have avoided ATP guys for virtually her whole career...so her personal life doesn't ever get in the way....Perhaps Ana would be better off following Lena's no-ATP-guys habit,too;):lol:

The Daviator
Nov 4th, 2008, 10:57 PM
Jelena didn't play better today then LA 2007 SF, or 2008 RG SF.
At 6-3 3-2, Jelena had only 9 winners, 1 of them in set 2.
That says a lot about Ana's game today.

But JJ makes so few UEs, she's playing extremely well and is improved since working with her new coach, and I totally expected this loss :o Ana needs to step it up and improve too.

She played so bad, and Sven is there, I don't get it, he should tell her to stop swiping at the ball all the time :o I'm not confident about the Zvonareva match, Vera played very well today, hard, consistent hitting, at least she has Nando :shrug:

DownTheLine21
Nov 4th, 2008, 11:15 PM
Oh well. It appears that Ana wasn't at her best today. I'm confident that she'll defeat Zvonareva tomorrow, although her performance today obviously isn't too promising. Good luck!

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 01:49 AM
But JJ makes so few UEs, she's playing extremely well and is improved since working with her new coach, and I totally expected this loss :o Ana needs to step it up and improve too.

She played so bad, and Sven is there, I don't get it, he should tell her to stop swiping at the ball all the time :o I'm not confident about the Zvonareva match, Vera played very well today, hard, consistent hitting, at least she has Nando :shrug:

It's funny.. Sven was not in Zurich and Linz.. and Ana plays better.. Sven is in Doha, Ana plays like crap. Does not make sense... go figure. What I think he should teach her is think on court. Jankovic called Ana brainless in her presser, which is a bit rude, but true. Today Ana was totally brainless out there. If things are not going her way, she needs to stop, think and use another strategy. And Sven should help her with that.. and also motivate her and get her fired up and focused, which was also not the case today.

Balltossovic
Nov 5th, 2008, 01:53 AM
Jelena did WHAT!

Nikkiri
Nov 5th, 2008, 01:53 AM
It's funny.. Sven was not in Zurich and Linz.. and Ana plays better.. Sven is in Doha, Ana plays like crap. Does no make sense... go figure. What I think he should teach her is think on court. Jankovic called Ana brainless in her presser, which is a bit rude, but true. Today Ana was totally brainless out there. If things are not going her way, she needs to stop, think and use another strategy. And Sven should help her with that.. and also motivate her and get her fired up and focused, which was also not the case today.

:o

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 01:56 AM
Jelena did WHAT!

Well.. here it is:

Jankovic, who was presented with the year-end No. 1 ranking trophy by WTA CEO Larry Scott at her press conference afterwards, was naturally very pleased with herself and could not resist a little barb at an opponent with whom she has never been close, despite their similar backgrounds.

"I think you need to use a little more brain to play in conditions like that," she said. "The wind was going all over the place but it was the same for both of us. I just managed to do all the right things at the right moments."

Balltossovic
Nov 5th, 2008, 02:08 AM
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/shocked017.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Davodus
Nov 5th, 2008, 04:39 AM
JJ is such a stupid bitch...

she should just shut her mouth

Nikkiri
Nov 5th, 2008, 07:22 AM
She doesn't know how. :lol:

bruce goose
Nov 5th, 2008, 08:40 AM
Well.. here it is:For some reason,sleep-deprivation doesn't feel quite so painful tonight:angel:...Even though her comments are nasty,I can sort of understand JJ's bitterness:World #1,yet only #2 in her own country...and it's doubtful that she'll EVER manage to improve that.

Having heard opinions from fans of my other faves,I can tell y'all that not all of them are Ana-HATERS,some are merely "dislikers".One perception is that she's a phony as no one could ever be that cheerful.A slightly tamer one is that she's an airhead for being so warmly upbeat(Nietzsche's sad,cynical influence on the world).

I've also been guilty of underestimating Ana's mentality,but she's proven me wrong with the fortitude of her Zurich-Linz comeback from the abyss:).A further brief analysis shows that I may've let my anti-Spaniard bias judge Verdasco unfairly.He impressed me a bit by going out to the middle of nowhere to support Ana,and Dragana appears pleased with him,too.Perhaps 'Jelenacg' was right a while back when she posted that 'Nando helped boost Ana's self-esteem by reaching out to her in her darkest moment,and I'm glad that she has such a supportive bf:).We'll see if I'm clinically insane for predicting that the Ana mob will be flashing smiles again following the next match(the straitjacket crew hasn't tracked me down yet;)).Even if Ana DOES lose to this tough,worthy opponent in Vera(which she won't:devil:),she'll never be quite so vulnerable as she was prior to that Dark Period that she has,Gracias a` Dios,managed to shine through:)....VAMOS,ANA!!:bounce::bounce::bounce:

Nikkiri
Nov 5th, 2008, 09:50 AM
Anyways enough about Jelena, lets not stoop to her fans level by spending more time bitching about her than talking about our own girl, todays match is very important I just hope she can forget about yesterdays match and play much better today.. Its her 21st birthday this week I'm sure she'd really love to do well. :awww:

azdaja
Nov 5th, 2008, 12:10 PM
i don't think we are talking about jelena much, more about her fans and mostly about what they say about ana. however, in this case jelena does deserve a little abuse because what she said was not exactly classy. but then she was never classy anyway.

i'm actually surprised at how little i feel dissappointed about ana's losses now. i followed her career since her canberra title and i can remember many dissappointing moments, but i was so happy about roland garros that i feel a bit emotionally spent :unsure:

oh well, i will be away from home from tomorrow anyway and won't be able to follow this tournament.

bruce goose
Nov 5th, 2008, 04:16 PM
Just arrived home from my morning class with Ana serving at 0-3 in the third set.I sTILL believe that Ana:angel: can pull this out against wacky Vera...BUT,EVEN IF SHE dOESN'T,I'm very proud of all Ana accomplished this year.There's no question that it COULD have been even BETTER than world #1 & RG champion...yet maybe Ana wouldn't have grown as much as a PERSON without the adversity.Regardless of the outcome,my realistic hopes are high for next season...and Ana's hopes should be high,too...1-3 now,time to watch the Queen fight it out:)

Ksenia.
Nov 5th, 2008, 04:41 PM
what a disappointing loss :sad: i though Ana could win it after she broke back in the 3rd :(

Davodus
Nov 5th, 2008, 04:44 PM
same


really disappointing, she is pretty much out now

disappointing end to a year that started so well

dybbuk
Nov 5th, 2008, 04:50 PM
For the best, really. Beating Kuznetsova, not qualifying for the semis, but finishing the year with the win is preferable to her somehow clawing her ways to the semis before being promptly embarrassed by Serena/Venus.

Hopefully she pulls herself together for 2009. Good luck Ana. :hug:

bruce goose
Nov 5th, 2008, 04:51 PM
As I confessed in post #194,I was teaching my morning class and missed most of the match...PLUS the livestream stunk at times.I DID see Ana TAKE IT from Vera while the Russian was serving for the match....Btw,I was happy to see that Verdasco was REALLLLY stressed out in the 3rd set as he watched;in GUY language,that means he cares for Ana:)...

....So,Vera had defeated body language when Ana broke her for 4-5...she was at Ana's mercy...and then our girl GAVE it away with 3UEs and a DF:sad:(Vera did NOTHING but stand there).

Still,2009 is TRULY a new beginning,and Sven will have LOTS of time to prepare Ana with new strategies on how she can adjust during matches....I'm disappointed but NOT sad about the future AT ALL:D....AJDE ANA in 2009....y Feliz Navidad temprano ademas,Ana:angel:

Nikkiri
Nov 5th, 2008, 04:52 PM
I'm glad she lost... she needs a break badly :shrug: I don't like seeing her like that at all. :sad:

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 04:54 PM
Extremely disappointing loss. Ana back to her slumping form and back to losing matches she should not lose. I got back home in time to watch the third set, and though she fought hard, everytime she had a chance to get back into it, it seemed she would totally lose focus. When she broke back at 5-3, I just thought: "Ana please, hold now.. focus on your serve!". And then Vera had that challenge and losing that point completely put Ana off. She made a stupid double fault, and a stupid forehand error, in a rally ball. That is totally the way she was playing in her slump against Zheng or Petrova or Cibulkova. Fighting but losing focus every time she actually had a chance. I really don't understand this. It's clear that she is spent, physically and mentally, but she shouldn't. She played only 20 matches since june. And she is so good that even playing this way she still can make it close. But this fact only makes it more disappointing for me.. if she could just concentrate a tiny bit more she could have won.

bruce goose
Nov 5th, 2008, 04:58 PM
Extremely disappointing loss. Ana back to her slumping form and back to losing matches she should not lose. I got back home in time to watch the third set, and though she fought hard, everytime she had a chance to get back into it, it seemed she would totally lose focus. When she broke back at 5-3, I just thought: "Ana please, hold now.. focus on your serve!". And then Vera had that challenge and losing that point completely put Ana off. She made a stupid double fault, and a stupid forehand error, in a rally ball. That is totally the way she was playing in her slump against Zheng or Petrova or Cibulkova. Fighting but losing focus every time she actually had a chance. I really don't understand this. It's clear that she is spent, physically and mentally, but she shouldn't. She played only 20 matches since june. And she is so good that even playing this way she still can make it close. But this fact only makes it more disappointing for me.. if she could just concentrate a tiny bit more she could have won.:smooch:Levantate tu cabeza;la sonrisa brillante regresa en dos mil nueve!!:D

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 05:02 PM
:smooch:Levantate tu cabeza;la sonrisa brillante regresa en dos mil nueve!!:D

I'm really upset right now. Maybe it's the best for Ana.. she clearly can't play since june.. and when she got 2 weeks of good results, it's clear that deep down in her head she shut off her season. It's a pity though, since she is losing to people she usually beats. I wish she was in the other group, losing to Venus, Dementieva.. at least it wouldn't make me feel so bad, as I would be expecting it.

DownTheLine21
Nov 5th, 2008, 05:11 PM
Well, a win would have been wonderful, but I'm sort of over this year. I'm glad that she now has a break and can come back strong in 2009. I wouldn't worry about ranking. Whether she's 4th or 5th won't matter. If her game is back where it should be, she can beat anyone.

bruce goose
Nov 5th, 2008, 05:11 PM
I'm really upset right now. Maybe it's the best for Ana.. she clearly can't play since june.. and when she got 2 weeks of good results, it's clear that deep down in her head she shut off her season. It's a pity though, since she is losing to people she usually beats. I wish she was in the other group, losing to Venus, Dementieva.. at least it wouldn't make me feel so bad, as I would be expecting it.Well,YOU'RE the chica so I'll let YOU do the impossible task of reading a woman's mind:lol:...but maybe 'Jelenacg's brother was right:Perhaps a part of Ana wanted to get this trying season over with;however,she DEFINITELY fought hard in the third set...she DIDN'T quit(only out-of-sync mentally,maybe,with those errors)...and I SERIOUSLY doubt that Ana is pessimistic about 2009...nor SHOULD she be.Ana and Masha are 2 women for whom a fresh start in the new year isn't just a tired,old expression---it's a potent reality:yeah:.Jelena will be glad that she met Ana NOW;come January,the ass-whupping resumes!:cool:

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 05:12 PM
Does Ana play tomorrow again? I hope she at least gets a win for her birthday.

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 05:19 PM
Well,YOU'RE the chica so I'll let YOU do the impossible task of reading a woman's mind:lol:...but maybe 'Jelenacg's brother was right:Perhaps a part of Ana wanted to get this trying season over with;however,she DEFINITELY fought hard in the third set...she DIDN'T quit(only out-of-sync mentally,maybe,with those errors)...and I SERIOUSLY doubt that Ana is pessimistic about 2009...nor SHOULD she be.Ana and Masha are 2 women for whom a fresh start in the new year isn't just a tired,old expression---it's a potent reality:yeah:.Jelena will be glad that she met Ana NOW;come January,the ass-whupping resumes!:cool:

I hope she sorts out her MENTAL problems in the off season and comes back stronger next year. It's clear where her problem is. She can not blame this on lack of match play, or whatever excuse. Let's hope for a good 2009.

bruce goose
Nov 5th, 2008, 05:22 PM
I hope she sorts out her MENTAL problems in the off season and comes back stronger next year. It's clear where her problem is. She can not blame this on lack of match play, or whatever excuse. Let's hope for a good 2009.Claro que si:smooch:...:):):):):)

jelenacg
Nov 5th, 2008, 05:31 PM
I can`t say i`m surprised she lost
I didn`t see the match,did she ask for a medical time out again
As i said before this was very intense year for her ,she just needs some time to arrange everything in her head and she needs some time off and i`m sure we won`t have to worry about these things next year

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 05:44 PM
I can`t say i`m surprised she lost
I didn`t see the match,did she ask for a medical time out again
As i said before this was very intense year for her ,she just needs some time to arrange everything in her head and she needs some time off and i`m sure we won`t have to worry about these things next year

I guess your brother was right Jelena!

And Ana has an important lesson to learn. She needs to perform well in a tournament after a title next year. That's going to be something to look out for.

The Daviator
Nov 5th, 2008, 05:46 PM
A little better than yesterday, but it's still the same pattern, great shot followed by 2 bad shots, good shot followed by 3 bad shots :shrug:

Glad the season it over, and it's still been great despite the poor losses, she definitely needs to improve her game in the off-season., also can't believe the amount of idiots in GM, just mind-boggling.

Nikkiri
Nov 5th, 2008, 06:07 PM
Ana's birthday tomorrow :awww:

DownTheLine21
Nov 5th, 2008, 06:08 PM
A little better than yesterday, but it's still the same pattern, great shot followed by 2 bad shots, good shot followed by 3 bad shots :shrug:

Glad the season it over, and it's still been great despite the poor losses, she definitely needs to improve her game in the off-season., also can't believe the amount of idiots in GM, just mind-boggling.

LOL! I haven't really visited it in months (except to post in the Linz Victory thread).

kim86
Nov 5th, 2008, 06:46 PM
Bye bye sweet and awful 2008...

I wish Ana to relax, enjoy her birthday tomorrow, and restart over the next season, stronger than ever.

She doesn't have to put too much pressure on herself, all that she needs is to reset her mind, and to start 2009 playing her game without too much expectations. Her tennis will be surely back.

rechi
Nov 5th, 2008, 07:12 PM
Hmmm....
Ana's performance is a little bit dissapointing. Yeah i know she's sick. But look at her matches. Ok yesterday i told my friends before the match Jelena is going to win and i got right! JJ plays her best tennis right now and has absolutely no pressure. I mean she's the #1 until next year. So she can play without any thoughts about points or something like that.
Ana is too inconsistent since her win at Roland Garros. She had a great win in Linz and i really thought she turned it over with this tournament win. I also said todays match wouldn't as easy as the Linz final. I mean Vera had a really bad final day in Linz.
But what really bothers me, is Ana's mental strengh:help:. I mean did you ever see her throwing her racket that often??? Yeah it's been a long year, but she should have the selfconfidence of a tournament win last week. There are 2 really great shots, followed by 3 unforced erros:speakles: You can't win a match with these stactistics. I really hope she wins against Sveta (Ana should be able to) and finsh the year with a win. If Ana plays tomorrow, it would be a nice birthday present too.

AJDE ANA for your last match this year!!!

PS: Did you noticed Fernando Verdasco in her box? Is Ana dating Verdasco :confused:

Dexter
Nov 5th, 2008, 07:19 PM
I had a bad day and it just makes it worse... :sad:

bruce goose
Nov 5th, 2008, 07:23 PM
AJDE ANA for your last match this year!!!

PS: Did you noticed Fernando Verdasco in her box? Is Ana dating Verdasco :confused::lol: Yes and,in case you haven't heard,the earth is round,too;).The BEST part is how freaked out he was getting today when the match was in the balance.He cared more about ANA'S match than he does for his own...kinda romantic,really:D

I'd say that the racket-throwing,in one respect,is a GOOD thing;it shows that Ana gives a damn even though her sickness gives her some excuse for losing.I was discouraged when she bulls--tted us by saying that she played well vs. Cibulkova,but this NEW Ana is eager to do her best and erase the memory of the Dark Period.Now,she's not even content with close losses against top players such as Venus who had to play over her head to beat Ana....It bodes well for 2009:)

Princeza
Nov 5th, 2008, 07:25 PM
Duh; win the last at least and have some rest babygurl.

kim86
Nov 5th, 2008, 07:47 PM
But what really bothers me, is Ana's mental strengh:help:. I mean did you ever see her throwing her racket that often??? Yeah it's been a long year, but she should have the selfconfidence of a tournament win last week. There are 2 really great shots, followed by 3 unforced erros:speakles: You can't win a match with these stactistics.

This is exactly what i worried about. In crucial moments she becomes nervous and makes a lot of UE.

ps Ana said that she's been suffering from a virus.

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 07:49 PM
A reporter from Brazilian Bandsports, who is in Doha, just talked about Ana's presser.

He said that she told reporters that since she got in Doha she got a virus, a sore throat and the flu. That she has been taking anti inflamatories, and that has given her pain in her stomach. That she has not been feeling well, but she still tried to play the best she could, though she was feeling weak. He said that she got the match into late in the third set because of her huge talent (I liked it! He seemed to be a fan, talking about Ana's abilities). He also said that the big talk between the reporters and everybody in the tournament was what was happening to Ana. That everyone agreed that she is way too good to be having these weird losses. He said that people were saying she has lost a bit of her focus.

He also talked about Verdasco. That Ana said in her presser that he is her "friend". And then the commentators were joking with that, saying that he must be a very very close friend to come all the way to Qatar.

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 07:56 PM
Hmmm....
Ana's performance is a little bit dissapointing. Yeah i know she's sick. But look at her matches. Ok yesterday i told my friends before the match Jelena is going to win and i got right! JJ plays her best tennis right now and has absolutely no pressure. I mean she's the #1 until next year. So she can play without any thoughts about points or something like that.
Ana is too inconsistent since her win at Roland Garros. She had a great win in Linz and i really thought she turned it over with this tournament win. I also said todays match wouldn't as easy as the Linz final. I mean Vera had a really bad final day in Linz.
But what really bothers me, is Ana's mental strengh:help:. I mean did you ever see her throwing her racket that often??? Yeah it's been a long year, but she should have the selfconfidence of a tournament win last week. There are 2 really great shots, followed by 3 unforced erros:speakles: You can't win a match with these stactistics. I really hope she wins against Sveta (Ana should be able to) and finsh the year with a win. If Ana plays tomorrow, it would be a nice birthday present too.

AJDE ANA for your last match this year!!!

PS: Did you noticed Fernando Verdasco in her box? Is Ana dating Verdasco :confused:


Yeah.. that racquet thing may mean that she is getting frustrated with herself. That can be good, as a sign that she cares about it. And bad, as she is not being able to handle her emotions. I seriously think she lets some errors or some bad calls get into her head and she just doesn't handle it well, which leads to all the UEs. Ana needs to get her calm and patience back for next year.

bruce goose
Nov 5th, 2008, 07:56 PM
ps Ana said that she's been suffering from a virus.So let's cut her some slack here....I know people who can't even handle a simple desk job when they have a bad stomach virus...but to face an in-form Top 10 player in windy conditions??I'd call THAT a little tougher than a desk job.Ana's face in the third set did NOT show despair or defeat;she fought to the end despite the illness.

As for Gavi's post...Yes,that IS a very close "friend":lol:

Princeza
Nov 5th, 2008, 08:01 PM
So let's cut her some slack here....I know people who can't even handle a simple desk job when they have a bad stomach virus...but to face an in-form Top 10 player in windy conditions??I'd call THAT a little tougher than a desk job.Ana's face in the third set did NOT show despair or defeat;she fought to the end despite the illness.

As for Gavi's post...Yes,that IS a very close "friend":lol:

;) So true.

Let's celebrate this great year for Ana; world N1 and a GS :worship:

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 08:18 PM
I had a stomach virus in july last year.. I was spent. I remember I had to perform a surgery for my Trauma class at university in the University hospital. I was stupid enough to go and try to do it. I spent about 1 hour standing there performing the surgery in my patient, before I started to feel completely dizzy and had to leave. Lucky enough I was at the hospital, as my blood pressure fell to 8-5. And thank good my professor finished it off, as poor patient.. all opened up with a bad doctor.

Ana must have great physical shape, as that's the only way to see how she could be running around for more than 2 hours. And it shows she really wanted to play. She has been very unfortunate these past months.. all her good luck went away with that netcord in Wimbledon.. :sad:

bruce goose
Nov 5th, 2008, 08:29 PM
all her good luck went away with that netcord in Wimbledon.. :sad:No es verdad;todavia Ana tiene unos fanaticos como tu:smooch:

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 08:35 PM
No es verdad;todavia Ana tiene unos fanaticos como tu:smooch:

haha Bruce.. no sé hasta que punto eso es tener suerte! :lol:

jelenacg
Nov 5th, 2008, 08:52 PM
Did you find anywhere her press conference and her saying that she has a stomach virus
I read here and on her forum that she is sick but no words from Ana about that
To tell you the true i thought she had some woman problems when i was watching her match against JJ:),i never thought she could be sick...
Wow she must be very strong when i`m sick i can`t do anything

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 09:00 PM
Did you find anywhere her press conference and her saying that she has a stomach virus
I read here and on her forum that she is sick but no words from Ana about that
To tell you the true i thought she had some woman problems when i was watching her match against JJ:),i never thought she could be sick...
Wow she must be very strong when i`m sick i can`t do anything

I couldn't find her presser. All I have is what I listened from the Bandsports reporter who is in Doha and attended the presser.

The illness is very unfortunate. It definitely played a big part in her bad performances. But I still think this match against Vera was another mental battle lost by Ana. She had the chances to win, and couldn't take them mentally.

This just reminded me that the reporter also said that Ana said she was feeling very frustrated for not taking her opportunities in the third set.

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 09:20 PM
Some quotes from Ana:

"I have had a virus, but I don't know why my blood pressure was taken - it frightened me and made me feel worse."

"It was very hard for me to breathe, and I was struggling. I was feeling very dizzy and light headed. So it was very tough. I couldn't eat much for the last couple of days and with the lack of energy, it was a little bit hard.

"It was very disappointing, but I still gave hundred percent in this match, and she was the better player. I need a miracle to qualify now."

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 09:29 PM
And more:

"I don't like to complain, but ever since I came here I wasn't feeling really well," Ivanovic said. "I got a virus and I had pain in my throat. So from the first day I wasn't feeling so good.

"It was very hard for me to breathe, and I was feeling very dizzy and light headed so it was very tough.

"I couldn't eat much for the last couple of days, and with the lack of energy it was a little bit hard. Towards the end of the third set I still had chances, but she was the better player."


Tomorrow she won't play. Rest up Ana!

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 5th, 2008, 09:31 PM
I just watched the match and the DVD stopped at 3-6 7-6 3-5 15-15.
When I saw she broke for 4-5 after that, I had some hope.

How many chances do you need actually?
She got a break back in the first but gave it away the next game.
In the 2nd she can hold serve UNTILL she must serve it out.
Then wasted SP's in the 10th game.
After that she almost blew a 4-1 lead in the TB.
Winning that set is always time for Ana to relax and let the other play again.
Which brings her in trouble again for the 46540654864876546 time in her career.
Again she comes back and just at the time you can kill the opponent, she blows it.

She's way too emotional and I think her head is full with anything.
She said she learned a lot about the last months and knows how to deal with it better.
A person is never finished with learning, but common Ana. It still shows you haven't learn a thing.
She's a fighter and has a big talent. That's what brought her so many wins.

I'm dissapointed with this loss cause it's unnecessary again.
Vera played a pretty good match though, but still Ana doesn't need to lose matches like this.

jelenacg
Nov 5th, 2008, 09:53 PM
After she lost her first match i knew this is coming and i really think that this virus or whatever made her to play bad again
When you have something bothering and you feel lack of energy it`s not easy to concentrate
I know this doesn`t explain her wasting chances but that`s it
Anyway i really hope that she will finally overcame all of these injuries,viruses and that she and we are finally going to have some luck bc i`m tired of bad luck in these couple of months
Everything was working fine in Linz and now again something bothering her
No wonder they say that bad things never come alone

bruce goose
Nov 5th, 2008, 10:03 PM
After she lost her first match i knew this is coming and i really think that this virus or whatever made her to play bad again
When you have something bothering and you feel lack of energy it`s not easy to concentrate
I know this doesn`t explain her wasting chances but that`s it
Anyway i really hope that she will finally overcame all of these injuries,viruses and that she and we are finally going to have some luck bc i`m tired of bad luck in these couple of months
Everything was working fine in Linz and now again something bothering her
No wonder they say that bad things never come alone:hug:'Jelenacg'....I had to type your full poster name so that nobody thought I meant JJ:lol:

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 10:17 PM
I just watched the match and the DVD stopped at 3-6 7-6 3-5 15-15.
When I saw she broke for 4-5 after that, I had some hope.

How many chances do you need actually?
She got a break back in the first but gave it away the next game.
In the 2nd she can hold serve UNTILL she must serve it out.
Then wasted SP's in the 10th game.
After that she almost blew a 4-1 lead in the TB.
Winning that set is always time for Ana to relax and let the other play again.
Which brings her in trouble again for the 46540654864876546 time in her career.
Again she comes back and just at the time you can kill the opponent, she blows it.

She's way too emotional and I think her head is full with anything.
She said she learned a lot about the last months and knows how to deal with it better.
A person is never finished with learning, but common Ana. It still shows you haven't learn a thing.
She's a fighter and has a big talent. That's what brought her so many wins.

I'm dissapointed with this loss cause it's unnecessary again.
Vera played a pretty good match though, but still Ana doesn't need to lose matches like this.

Yeah.. I also got really disappointed.. not because she lost a match.. that is part of the game.. but because of how it happened. It's just the same way it was happening in her slump. I thought she knew how to deal with it now.. after all these months.. but no.. she made the very same mistakes. In that last game, she let the lost point from the hawk eye take her focus away and then she showed total impatience, trying to attack in the second ball. That last forehand miss was just a copy of many others during the match. In that very game, she made the very same mistake, just trying to hit a winner right away. If she had just hit the ball to the other side and build the point she would have had much more chance to save the MP. Besides that.. what's up with breaking and getting broken right back? It happened yesterday.. it happened today.. She loses focus.. makes plenty of unforced errors. And Ana has not served well since RG too. Not even in Linz and Zurich.. Ana's serve has not been getting her the easy put aways it used to. I hope she works on that in the off-season. The illness was very unfortunate, but this was another mental loss. Maybe the fact she was not feeling well messed with her head, but if she wants to be a real champion she needs to know how to win a match mentally, even when she is not well.

bruce goose
Nov 5th, 2008, 10:36 PM
Yeah.. I also got really disappointed.. not because she lost a match.. that is part of the game.. but because of how it happened. It's just the same way it was happening in her slump. I thought she knew how to deal with it now.. after all these months.. but no.. she made the very same mistakes. In that last game, she let the lost point from the hawk eye take her focus away and then she showed total impatience, trying to attack in the second ball. That last forehand miss was just a copy of many others during the match. In that very game, she made the very same mistake, just trying to hit a winner right away. If she had just hit the ball to the other side and build the point she would have had much more chance to save the MP. Besides that.. what's up with breaking and getting broken right back? It happened yesterday.. it happened today.. She loses focus.. makes plenty of unforced errors. And Ana has not served well since RG too. Not even in Linz and Zurich.. Ana's serve has not been getting her the easy put aways it used to. I hope she works on that in the off-season. The illness was very unfortunate, but this was another mental loss. Maybe the fact she was not feeling well messed with her head, but if she wants to be a real champion she needs to know how to win a match mentally, even when she is not well.:rolleyes: A little amnesia here?Have you forgotten your testimonial from the previous page?It was cLEAR that Ana was in discomfort from this virus and yet she fought on bravely against a TOP-flight opponent.You've admitted that you could barely stand with YOUR stomach virus,and I'd bet ANYthing that Sjoerd wouldn't do any better...probably much WORSE

We can't over-analyze and compare THIS loss to the Cibulkova loss;being mentally out-of-focus due to a serious virus is NOT the same as being off-track due to a COMPLETE lack of concentration as she had with her Summer and Autumn losses.I understand that it's hard to come to grips with the disappointment that Ana's season is over...but let's not have paralysis-by-analysis(gringo expression).Don't you see how EASY it would be for Ana to brush this off and say,"Oh,I was sick.I always beat JJ and Vera when I'm healthy."?....But NO,she fought through the illness as BEST she could and REALLY wanted to establish a winning end to the year even though any logical person would forgive her for losing these close,matches to TOP players,at FAR less than 100% health.YES,she still has work to do,but I'd be surprised if ANY tennis expert commentators felt that her future was doomed by these unfortunate illness-affected defeats.AT A BARE MINIMUM,this newfound intensity is a strong sign of a positive change in Ana...something quite solid to build on for 2009....SHOW 'EM RIGHT,ANA!!:bounce::bounce::bounce:

jelenacg
Nov 5th, 2008, 10:54 PM
bruce goose,so optimistic :worship::worship:
i must be dreaming:)

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 11:00 PM
:rolleyes: A little amnesia here?Have you forgotten your testimonial from the previous page?It was cLEAR that Ana was in discomfort from this virus and yet she fought on bravely against a TOP-flight opponent.You've admitted that you could barely stand with YOUR stomach virus,and I'd bet ANYthing that Sjoerd wouldn't do any better...probably much WORSE

We can't over-analyze and compare THIS loss to the Cibulkova loss;being mentally out-of-focus due to a serious virus is NOT the same as being off-track due to a COMPLETE lack of concentration as she had with her Summer and Autumn losses.I understand that it's hard to come to grips with the disappointment that Ana's season is over...but let's not have paralysis-by-analysis(gringo expression).Don't you see how EASY it would be for Ana to brush this off and say,"Oh,I was sick.I always beat JJ and Vera when I'm healthy."?....But NO,she fought through the illness as BEST she could and REALLY wanted to establish a winning end to the year even though any logical person would forgive her for losing these close,matches to TOP players,at FAR less than 100% health.YES,she still has work to do,but I'd be surprised if ANY tennis expert commentators felt that her future was doomed by these unfortunate illness-affected defeats.AT A BARE MINIMUM,this newfound intensity is a strong sign of a positive change in Ana...something quite solid to build on for 2009....SHOW 'EM RIGHT,ANA!!:bounce::bounce::bounce:

Ana should have won this match even not feeling well, and she was close to it, but faultered in the important moments. This is what I was trying to say. I understand that with the illness it was definitely really hard for Ana, and that she fought til the end. But still.. that last game was a mental battle that she lost and has to learn to win.

I don't think Ana's future is doomed... far away from that. Ana is just too talented and too good to have anything close to that. But she clearly has a lot of issues to sort out. I hope this break does her good.. and she can come back 100% healthy, focused, gunning for good performances and wins. Ana has a lot of points to defend in January, but if she is playing to her potential she should not have problems with that. I just hope she comes back stronger for next season and shows us again her beautiful game.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 5th, 2008, 11:13 PM
The illness was very unfortunate, but this was another mental loss. Maybe the fact she was not feeling well messed with her head, but if she wants to be a real champion she needs to know how to win a match mentally, even when she is not well.

I'm seen her without experience, 100% fit, in a bad slump, and now she's ill.
But in all these circumstances I see the same mistakes.

I heard a lot: I'll learn from this so I can deal better with it in the future.
I learned a lot!

I don't have a damn clue who she's fooling, but it looks like I'm watching the same episode over and over again.
You're a pro and one of the best player in the world. And still you know how to have huge differences between your level in play in a really short time.

If she really doesn't know, then just say it for once instead of better luck next time.
Being positive is of course a good thing, but be realistic when you have to.

bruce goose
Nov 5th, 2008, 11:20 PM
Ana should have won this match even not feeling well, and she was close to it, but faultered in the important moments. This is what I was trying to say. I understand that with the illness it was definitely really hard for Ana, and that she fought til the end. But still.. that last game was a mental battle that she lost and has to learn to win.

I don't think Ana's future is doomed... far away from that. Ana is just too talented and too good to have anything close to that. But she clearly has a lot of issues to sort out. I hope this break does her good.. and she can come back 100% healthy, focused, gunning for good performances and wins. Ana has a lot of points to defend in January, but if she is playing to her potential she should not have problems with that. I just hope she comes back stronger for next season and shows us again her beautiful game.Well,at least you've contemplated your response carefully,but I don't think you can say that Ana SHOULD have won simply because she was close unless you have some sort of athletic experience of competing with illness.It's more appropriate to COMPLIMENT her for GETTING THAT CLOSE in the first place.Again,you can't compare distraction from a serious virus with the mental dazes Ana fell under in the past.If her dad had a heart attack before a match,would you criticize Ana for not focusing well THEN?I don't think you would so let's keep some perspective here.Serena had a minor--I can say 'minor' cuz she was running at top speed--ankle sprain against Na Li a month ago--and lost in straight sets--and a localized,physical injury is easier to adapt to,UNLESS it's severe,than an internal viral illness that can affect your whole body.Is Serena mentally weak for not focusing and beating Li,a lesser player than JJ or Vera??Not hardly

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 11:26 PM
I'm seen her without experience, 100% fit, in a bad slump, and now she's ill.
But in all these circumstances I see the same mistakes.

I heard a lot: I'll learn from this so I can deal better with it in the future.
I learned a lot!

I don't have a damn clue who she's fooling, but it looks like I'm watching the same episode over and over again.
You're a pro and one of the best player in the world. And still you know how to have huge differences between your level in play in a really short time.

If she really doesn't know, then just say it for once instead of better luck next time.
Being positive is of course a good thing, but be realistic when you have to.

100% agreed. That's the reason I think she should look for a sports phsycologist or a motivation coach.. I don't know.. she needs to address these issues. That's something I've been thinking (and writing) for quite a while.. It can only help her.

bruce goose
Nov 5th, 2008, 11:27 PM
I'm seen her without experience, 100% fit, in a bad slump, and now she's ill.
But in all these circumstances I see the same mistakes.

I heard a lot: I'll learn from this so I can deal better with it in the future.
I learned a lot!

I don't have a damn clue who she's fooling, but it looks like I'm watching the same episode over and over again.
You're a pro and one of the best player in the world. And still you know how to have huge differences between your level in play in a really short time.

If she really doesn't know, then just say it for once instead of better luck next time.
Being positive is of course a good thing, but be realistic when you have to.You posted a few months ago that Ana wouldn't lie about an injury...and it was EXTREMELY obvious that Ana was in serious discomfort.To expect Ana to beat the WORLD NUMBER ONE when she's struggling to breathe on court is simply irrational and VERY poorly contemplated

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 11:38 PM
Well,at least you've contemplated your response carefully,but I don't think you can say that Ana SHOULD have won simply because she was close unless you have some sort of athletic experience of competing with illness.It's more appropriate to COMPLIMENT her for GETTING THAT CLOSE in the first place.Again,you can't compare distraction from a serious virus with the mental dazes Ana fell under in the past.If her dad had a heart attack before a match,would you criticize Ana for not focusing well THEN?I don't think you would so let's keep some perspective here.Serena had a minor--I can say 'minor' cuz she was running at top speed--ankle sprain against Na Li a month ago--and lost in straight sets--and a localized,physical injury is easier to adapt to,UNLESS it's severe,than an internal viral illness that can affect your whole body.Is Serena mentally weak for not focusing and beating Li,a lesser player than JJ or Vera??Not hardly

Ana did well to take the match into a third set. But when it got to that last few games, it was not physical anymore. It was a mental game.. that's the one she has to learn how to play and win. If she got that far, she just had to make a mental push and she should have won it. These things can always happen, as you give the Serena example. The thing is, with Ana it has happened exactly 7 times this year... the very same way.. being Ana healthy or not. But just the exact same mistakes. She has to learn how to deal with it.. win these battles, if she really has big goals in her carreer. I'm not only talking about today or yesterday.. it's about always.. it's frustrating to see her making the same mistakes over and over again and then say she learned from it. Of course these last 2 performances are directly linked to Ana's virus... I'm not saying she should have won the match against JJ. But if she could take it so far against Vera, in the moment it began to be a mental battle, Ana should have showed mental strengh and held serve.. instead she totally lost focus. If this was an isolated fact, then I wouldn't be saying anything at all apart from rest up Ana. But it's just the same as other 7 losses this year.

bruce goose
Nov 5th, 2008, 11:44 PM
Ana did well to take the match into a third set. But when it got to that last few games, it was not physical anymore. It was a mental game.. that's the one she has to learn how to play and win. If she got that far, she just had to make a mental push and she should have won it. These things can always happen, as you give the Serena example. The thing is, with Ana it has happened exactly 7 times this year... the very same way.. being Ana healthy or not. But just the exact same mistakes. She has to learn how to deal with it.. win these battles, if she really has big goals in her carreer. I'm not only talking about today or yesterday.. it's about always.. it's frustrating to see her making the same mistakes over and over again and then say she learned from it. Of course these last 2 performances are directly linked to Ana's virus... I'm not saying she should have won the match against JJ. But if she could take it so far against Vera, in the moment it began to be a mental battle, Ana should have showed mental strengh and held serve.. instead she totally lost focus. If this was an isolated fact, then I wouldn't be saying anything at all apart from rest up Ana. But it's just the same as other 7 losses this year.Chica brasilen~a testaruda!!:mad:;)...gotta go to my evening class.so my last comment is that when YOU learn how to focus on tennis while having a serious stomach virus,then you can e-mail Ana with the advice:lol:....Hasta luego,amiga:wavey:

gaviotabr
Nov 5th, 2008, 11:47 PM
Chica brasilen~a testaruda!!:mad:;)...gotta go to my evening class.so my last comment is that when YOU learn how to focus on tennis while having a serious stomach virus,then you can e-mail Ana with the advice:lol:....Hasta luego,amiga:wavey:

Okay! I'll try that.. and when I find the answer I'll gladly e-mail Ana with a lot of advice. :lol:

Besos Bruce! :kiss:

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 5th, 2008, 11:55 PM
You posted a few months ago that Ana wouldn't lie about an injury...and unless youre f--king blind,it's OBVIOUS that Ana was in serious discomfort.The way you make excuses for Makiri's losses,it's a joke that you can't pull your head out of your anus here.I hope we NEVER,EVER hear you whine and complain about being 'sick' when making a post here...since you're only sitting your ass in front of a computer which requires ZERO athletic co-ordination.In fact,have you EVER played a sport competitively?I'd like to see you post the pictures to prove it.To expect Ana to beat the WORLD NUMBER ONE when she's struggling to breathe on court is simply RETARDED...I'm not gonna sugar-coat that:(

You don't understand a damn thing I'm saying.
It's not handy to eat meat with a spoon. When I get some brain damage it's maybe less weird to eat meat with a spoon, but it's still NOT handy.

So I really believe Ana was struggling and that she tried her best and she's not lying about an illness.

I'm not insulting Ana, I'm just clueless to see the same things happen wrong while I read so many times that she learned a lot.
Now you insult me with some crap which makes me clueless as well.

I play 1 sport for a long time and probably at a much higher level than whatever sport you do (you can prove me wrong of course). Like in every sport you must know your qualities and weaknesses.
And I can explain the things that go wrong. Some mistakes happen again, but just cause I'm too lazy.

bruce goose
Nov 6th, 2008, 12:35 AM
You don't understand a damn thing I'm saying.
It's not handy to eat meat with a spoon. When I get some brain damage it's maybe less weird to eat meat with a spoon, but it's still NOT handy.

So I really believe Ana was struggling and that she tried her best and she's not lying about an illness.

I'm not insulting Ana, I'm just clueless to see the same things happen wrong while I read so many times that she learned a lot.
Now you insult me with some crap which makes me clueless as well.

I play 1 sport for a long time and probably at a much higher level than whatever sport you do (you can prove me wrong of course). Like in every sport you must know your qualities and weaknesses.
And I can explain the things that go wrong. Some mistakes happen again, but just cause I'm too lazy.Anyone who's played a sport understands how hard it is to be precise,as tennis requires,when you have a viral illness that makes breathing difficult.ANYONE could see that Ana was struggling to breathe,and you wanna compare THIS loss to the Julie Coin loss?:rolleyes:...Get real,Sjoerd!!

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 6th, 2008, 12:56 AM
Well,if you really HAD played a sport,then you'd understand how hard it is to be precise,as tennis requires,when you have a viral illness that makes breathing difficult.That tells me that the only running you ever do is running your mouth.Any IDIOT could see that Ana was struggling to breathe,and you wanna compare THIS loss to the Julie Coin loss?:rolleyes:...Get a freakin' clue,Sjoerd!!

If you can't listen it doesn't mean you have to talk so much.
Or you just don't want to listen, cause again you proved that you don't understand a thing I'm saying.

Balltossovic
Nov 6th, 2008, 01:06 AM
Ivanovic Fan you should learn to use your ignore button for some posters. I have and it's made this forum much more enjoyable;)

bruce goose
Nov 6th, 2008, 02:02 AM
If you can't listen it doesn't mean you have to talk so much.
Or you just don't want to listen, cause again you proved that you don't understand a thing I'm saying.Well,Sjoerd,I'll admit that I was angry with your criticisms of Ana because comparing these losses to others is like comparing apples and oranges,two dIFFERENT things.Ana was trying her hardest out there despite being in major discomfort,and it's very hard to do well in ANY sport--whether it's volleyball which I play or tennis--and it's hard to make precise,careful shots when you are struggling to breathe and have a lack of energy.It's simply not fair to say that Ana is not improving herself when she had such a debilitating illness.

Having said that,I shouldn't have used such strong language with you and I AM sorry for that...and any self-righteous hypocrites:besame el culo!!!;) You have a right to express your opinion,Sjoerd,so I shouldn't have reacted that way:o:o

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 6th, 2008, 02:21 AM
ana :crying2:

Nikkiri
Nov 6th, 2008, 02:28 AM
I don't believe some of the hate for the poor girl on this forum... I always thought there was something really off looking about her a virus could explain that.. I hope she has a nice birthday wins her match against Sveta and has a nice well deserved break.