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DemWilliamsGulls
Oct 25th, 2008, 06:49 AM
I'm sorry but maybe I just don't get it...but...why are so many commentators so critical of other players when they basically sucked when they played tennis? I was listening to Chanda Rubin the other day talk about a players serve...when I dont remember her serve being a threat at all..matter of fact...most players punished her serve. Marri Carilo, Pam Shriver and a few others didnt leave their mark in tennis. Only Navitorlova and Johnny mac :rolleyes: (two i cant stand) really can back up their critisism because they have left their mark in tennis vs one hit wonders commentating.

kwilliams
Oct 25th, 2008, 07:16 AM
^ By that logic we would have very few commentators, not enough to cover all matches anyway! If these former professionals can't do it then maybe everyone on this board should shut their mouth too. Certain people, like Carillo, should moderate the virulence of their criticisms but at the end of the day it's part of commentating and I'm happy enough if they remain unbiased.

Commentators annoy me for other reasons. Sam Smith because she is so droney and boring...though she is growing on me and becoming less droney. Annabelle Croft because she's a complete idiot. Recently I've been seeing some tennis channel coverage and my God does Corina Morariu have an annoying voice. Carillo's pathetic attitude towards some players and her annoying voice also bother me.

LindsayRulz
Oct 25th, 2008, 07:40 AM
Rubin and Shriver sucked when they played? Gosh, they have archived in their career more than what 99% of the professional tennis players ever will. And by your logic only Navratilova, Court, Graf and Evert could judge the game on a player?

Sharakim
Oct 25th, 2008, 07:51 AM
I generally like all the commentators. The only one I dislike is Ted Robinson. That man's voice gets on my nerves. Also, it always seems like he is trying to hard to sound important or smart during a match.

Привет
Oct 25th, 2008, 07:59 AM
:lol:

Just because some commentators didn't have the most stellar tennis playing careers, doesn't mean they don't know their stuff. You don't need to be able to serve well to know how to serve well.

That said, Roger Rasheed should just stop. He's painful commentating either sex, but even more so when on women's matches.

In The Zone
Oct 25th, 2008, 08:05 AM
It seems as though that the only commentator on this board who gets any respect is MJF.

But, I don't think any "suck". Some are better than others, yes. I think we are too critical, sometimes. I mean, we'd sound SO bad if any of us were commentators. We'd sound pedantic.

Commentators need to appeal not only to tennis fans but the casual viewer. I think the ones we have now are acceptable. More MJF's won't hurt, though.

Wannabeknowitall
Oct 25th, 2008, 08:12 AM
:lol: Chanda Rubin's first serve was good. It was her second serve like so many others that had the issues.

She was able to set up her forehand with her first serve and then finish off points at net.
I found Chanda Rubin's game to be the most classic out of many players of her era.

I actually enjoy Chanda commentating. I wish she would do it more in fact.

I have an issue with Mary Carillo. I feel she tries to be one of the boys by talking down about women's tennis and especially Venus and Serena time after time.

I have a serious issue with Tim Ryan. There's no excuse to confuse Venus wih Serena or vice versa 10 years later.
He makes absolutely too many mistakes.
I also have issues with Tracy Austin. I don't even want to get into that.

I actually like Pam and Mary Joe Fernandez. Cliff Dysdale is fun to listen to.

Put him next to Mary Carillo and they always get into it.

Pheobo
Oct 25th, 2008, 08:20 AM
By that logic none of us should be discussing pro tennis because I doubt any of us play as well. None of us should criticize politicians in the political forum if we've never held elected office...etc.

So your premise for this argument is flawed. But I do agree that most of the commentators we do have are awful, save a few. Then again, I shouldn't be able to say that because I've never been an ESPN commentator, right? ;)

FrenchY52
Oct 25th, 2008, 08:23 AM
I like Eurosport France commentators (Sarah Pitkowski :inlove:).
But the one who comment on the national channel (France Televisions) almost all suck and don't know anything about tennis, especially Lionel Chamoulaud.

Mateo Mathieu
Oct 25th, 2008, 08:43 AM
Sandy Roberts and Bruce McAvaney are our worst Australian commentators. They're both not even knowledge about tennis :o

Gary Wilkinson is our worst Australian commentator ever when he used to work for Channel 7 in late 90's and early 00's until he moved to Sky News :hearts:

~Cherry*Blossom~
Oct 25th, 2008, 09:02 AM
Commentators annoy me for other reasons. Sam Smith because she is so droney and boring

You disgust me :sobbing:

TennisFanForever
Oct 25th, 2008, 09:04 AM
I like Eurosport France commentators (Sarah Pitkowski :inlove:).
But the one who comment on the national channel (France Televisions) almost all suck and don't know anything about tennis, especially Lionel Chamoulaud.

Pitkowski :spit: she sucks more than every other french commentator to me, always criticizing, complaining about WTA players' style of game etc... :tape:

kwilliams
Oct 25th, 2008, 09:09 AM
You disgust me :sobbing:

At least I said she's getting better!

Christinawww
Oct 25th, 2008, 09:57 AM
this week on Danish eurosport I've heard Pannetta, Kibulkova from Slovenia, and that Bartoli was number 6 earlier this year. I also remember from last year that Hanteechova was on court.

RR-87
Oct 25th, 2008, 10:13 AM
this week on Danish eurosport I've heard Pannetta, Kibulkova from Slovenia, and that Bartoli was number 6 earlier this year. I also remember from last year that Hanteechova was on court.

russian commentator Borowsky during all the match called Peschke something like Piotchka :tape: i dunno how this came to his mind :lol: he also used to call Obziler Oblizer which sounds like "Licker" in russian :lol:

ViennaCalling
Oct 25th, 2008, 12:46 PM
German ES:

- Matthias Stach :o
He drools over Henin and Federer and nearly gets an orgasm when he talks about these 2 - annoying :tape:

- Jürgen Höthker H
He knows so much about tennis but without Günthardt he is really boring

- Bettina Schneider
Can´t stand her voice

- Ralf Klinkenberg
I like him because of his funny comments but he is annoying as hell :lol:


Karsten Linke and the new one(forgot the name) are the best IMO :yeah:

Peetz
Oct 25th, 2008, 01:09 PM
Generally all the german commentators suck...

aussie_fan
Oct 25th, 2008, 01:36 PM
:lol:

Just because some commentators didn't have the most stellar tennis playing careers, doesn't mean they don't know their stuff. You don't need to be able to serve well to know how to serve well.

That said, Roger Rasheed should just stop. He's painful commentating either sex, but even more so when on women's matches.

Roger is a decent commentator men's tennis in my opinion, shits all over John Alexander, could i can't stand every Davis Cup tie with John Alexander. He's horrible.

Most aussie ones are sadly, Newcombe and Stolle are right up there, same with Woodforde but Woodbridge is a good comentator.

vadin124
Oct 25th, 2008, 03:36 PM
^ By that logic we would have very few commentators, not enough to cover all matches anyway! If these former professionals can't do it then maybe everyone on this board should shut their mouth too. Certain people, like Carillo, should moderate the virulence of their criticisms but at the end of the day it's part of commentating and I'm happy enough if they remain unbiased.

Commentators annoy me for other reasons. Sam Smith because she is so droney and boring...though she is growing on me and becoming less droney. Annabelle Croft because she's a complete idiot. Recently I've been seeing some tennis channel coverage and my God does Corina Morariu have an annoying voice. Carillo's pathetic attitude towards some players and her annoying voice also bother me.

you bring shame onto this board...:spit::banghead:

KournikovaFan91
Oct 25th, 2008, 03:38 PM
Anabel Croft - she seriously hasnt a clue, or any talent for that matter

Marilyn Monheaux
Oct 25th, 2008, 04:24 PM
German ES:

- Matthias Stach :o
He drools over Henin and Federer and nearly gets an orgasm when he talks about these 2 - annoying :tape:

- Jürgen Höthker H
He knows so much about tennis but without Günthardt he is really boring

- Bettina Schneider
Can´t stand her voice

- Ralf Klinkenberg
I like him because of his funny comments but he is annoying as hell :lol:


Karsten Linke and the new one(forgot the name) are the best IMO :yeah:

Totally agree with you!
I'm not sure who it is but one has to always bring up and praise Sharapova even if she's not playing. And I think during Doha this year he kept drooling over her and told her story over and over and over again:help:
I love her too, but that was just too much:tape:

Davodus
Oct 25th, 2008, 05:00 PM
Roger is a decent commentator men's tennis in my opinion, shits all over John Alexander, could i can't stand every Davis Cup tie with John Alexander. He's horrible.

Most aussie ones are sadly, Newcombe and Stolle are right up there, same with Woodforde but Woodbridge is a good comentator.

I agree, JA couldn't be more annoying, always trying to crack clever, funny jokes that never are. The only commentator I like that we have here is Woodbridge, and I actually think Nicole Pratt does an ok job :shrug: better than kerryn pratt

Lindsayfan32
Oct 25th, 2008, 11:29 PM
Sandy Roberts and Bruce McAvaney are our worst Australian commentators. They're both not even knowledge about tennis :o

Gary Wilkinson is our worst Australian commentator ever when he used to work for Channel 7 in late 90's and early 00's until he moved to Sky News :hearts:

Totally agree with you Alex. I like Tracey Austin I hope channel seven bring her back for the Australian open next year. But if go by what the original poster said then no one could commentate tennis match and there is a simple answer to that post. It's what they are paid to do if they don't analyse a players game during a match what else would there be for them to talk about?

darrinbaker00
Oct 25th, 2008, 11:42 PM
I'm sorry but maybe I just don't get it...but...why are so many commentators so critical of other players when they basically sucked when they played tennis? I was listening to Chanda Rubin the other day talk about a players serve...when I dont remember her serve being a threat at all..matter of fact...most players punished her serve. Marri Carilo, Pam Shriver and a few others didnt leave their mark in tennis. Only Navitorlova and Johnny mac :rolleyes: (two i cant stand) really can back up their critisism because they have left their mark in tennis vs one hit wonders commentating.
http://www.tennisfame.com/famer.aspx?pgID=867&hof_id=155

If you consider that "sucking" and "not leaving her mark," then yes, you are sorry.

HRHoliviasmith
Oct 25th, 2008, 11:50 PM
Corina Morariu is garbage.

watchdogfish
Oct 26th, 2008, 12:06 AM
British Eurosport/BBC

Barry Cowan - the most boring man on the planet

Andrew Castle - ever been smacked in the face by a dead fish?

Judy Murray - the voice is unbearable

Greg Rudedski - the most irritating man on the planet

David Mercer - ...........

Tim Henman - see Andrew Castle

Pat Cash - tries too hard and talks too much


everybody else is just fine:

special props to Chris Bradnam, Simon Reed, Jo Durie, Sam Smith

Agree with Andrew Castle and Greg Rusedski. I also add Chris Bradnam, Simon Reed, Tracy Austin and Jimmy Connors (those MMM!!!s after each point? :lol: :unsure:) to my irritation list. Anabel Croft is just so bad she's funny :p

I like Jo Durie, John McEnroe and Boris Becker commentating :cool:

Uranium
Oct 26th, 2008, 12:07 AM
Corina Morariu is garbage.

You have tennis channel?:lol:
I like her, but sadly she is bad:(
But better than Katrina Adams.

Dave.
Oct 26th, 2008, 12:08 AM
Sam Smith is THE QUEEN of commentating. Kwilliams :armed:

Other ones I like are Pam Shriver, Liz Smylie, Jo Durie, John McEnroe, Mary Carillo, and a few others. (everyone back off Corina she's great :D). Don't mind Tracy Austin either.

The ones I strongly dislike are Barry Davis, David Mercer, John Barret, Pat Cash, Andrew Castle, Chris Bradnam, Anabel Croft, John Newcombe and many others.

When listening to commentators I want to be hearing experts on the game, people who follow women's tennis (not just tennis in general) all the time and actually know what they're talking about in the modern game (most of the ones I listed at the top do this, especially Sam Smith). I do not want to hear old men who criticise everything about the modern game and always say how good it was in the "old days" 40 odd years ago. As it turns out, most of the best commentors on the WTA are women.

Miss Amor
Oct 26th, 2008, 12:22 AM
I hate Tracy Austin, let it be any match she will drag the topic of how Sharapova won the Wimbledon title.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Oct 26th, 2008, 06:53 AM
I hated the Barry Mills & Martina Navratilova combo at Wimbledon in 2007. The most irritating, snobbish duo ever!

Lindsay Davenport is an amazing commentator. She was great when commentatin on both Venus and Serena's matches at Wimbledon this year :worship:

Other fave commentators are
Sam Smith :bowdown: (just hilarious, comes up with some wacky stories)
Jo Durie
Virginia Wade (when she isn't doing an Ivanovic match :lol: )
Chris Bradnam (when he isn't doing an Ivanovic match)
Simon Reed (when he is only doing women's matches and isn't doing Ivanovic matches)

I think that's about it when it comes to good commentators. The rest are all horrid, especially the majority of the Wimbledon team.

Oh, special shout out to Peter Flemming :tape: The man takes about 30mins to complete a sentence. So slow :yawn:

Rising Sun
Oct 26th, 2008, 07:07 AM
Sandy Roberts and Bruce McAvaney are our worst Australian commentators. They're both not even knowledge about tennis :o

Gary Wilkinson is our worst Australian commentator ever when he used to work for Channel 7 in late 90's and early 00's until he moved to Sky News :hearts:
I agree about Garry. Worst ever... :help:

nytrainer
Oct 26th, 2008, 02:14 PM
Supernova. Just curious here. What is wrong with the British commentators when it comes to Ivanovic's matches? Thanks.

Dawson.
Oct 26th, 2008, 03:43 PM
Peter Flemming takes forever to say nothing :o

IMPOSSIBLE
Oct 26th, 2008, 03:55 PM
Worst Ever:

Andrew Castle

I cant watch tennis when he commentates, lucky he only does ATP most of the time...

JAMESYBABY!
Oct 26th, 2008, 03:55 PM
peter flemming is orful !!! and the dickhead andrew castle.

sam smith is my fav. she makes me laugh so much haha !

dybbuk
Oct 26th, 2008, 04:30 PM
Paul Sunderland.

-NAJ-
Oct 26th, 2008, 05:00 PM
Serbian commentators all suck.

Joee
Oct 26th, 2008, 05:29 PM
TRACY AUSTIN grrrr

HRHoliviasmith
Oct 26th, 2008, 05:51 PM
I hated the Barry Mills & Martina Navratilova combo at Wimbledon in 2007. The most irritating, snobbish duo ever!

Lindsay Davenport is an amazing commentator. She was great when commentatin on both Venus and Serena's matches at Wimbledon this year :worship:

Other fave commentators are
Sam Smith :bowdown: (just hilarious, comes up with some wacky stories)
Jo Durie
Virginia Wade (when she isn't doing an Ivanovic match :lol: )
Chris Bradnam (when he isn't doing an Ivanovic match)
Simon Reed (when he is only doing women's matches and isn't doing Ivanovic matches)

I think that's about it when it comes to good commentators. The rest are all horrid, especially the majority of the Wimbledon team.

Oh, special shout out to Peter Flemming :tape: The man takes about 30mins to complete a sentence. So slow :yawn:


why, do they fawn over her excessively as they do sharapova here?

Asif_Nawaz
Oct 26th, 2008, 06:11 PM
FAVES: Barbara Schett, Jo Durie, Virginia Wade, Cliff Drysdale, Kim Courier(sometimes), Tracey Austin, Kathy Rinaldi.

HATED: Keryn Pratt, Mary Carillo, Katrina Adams(talks really weird)

Esther
Oct 26th, 2008, 06:23 PM
German ES:

- Matthias Stach :o
He drools over Henin and Federer and nearly gets an orgasm when he talks about these 2 - annoying :tape:

- Jürgen Höthker H
He knows so much about tennis but without Günthardt he is really boring

- Bettina Schneider
Can´t stand her voice

- Ralf Klinkenberg
I like him because of his funny comments but he is annoying as hell :lol:


Karsten Linke and the new one(forgot the name) are the best IMO :yeah:


Oliver Fassnacht?:confused:

Sally Todd
Oct 26th, 2008, 07:19 PM
I admire: John Barrett (miss him), Mary Joe Fernandez (astute), Leif Shiras (rather sweet and witty), Darrin Cahill (astute).

I enjoy in some sick way: Tracy Austin. Bud Collins. Yeah, I said it. :armed:

I go from hot to cold on: John McEnroe (can be great on men's tennis, but reliably terrible about women's tennis, and ruined this year's USO Williams match :mad:; Martina Motormouth Navratilova, who even comments on the crowd color shots that are supposed to give you a break from yakking. At Roland Garros the other year she even had something in-depth to say about someone's "hatbrella" :spit:).

I'm OK with: Corina Morariu, Shriver (now that she's stopped nagging about every little flaw in a player's game), the MJ-Pam-and-Cliffy show.

I don't care for: the guy commentating with Morariu on Linz this week.

I'm usually annoyed by: Doug Adler's nonstop negativity, which makes Shriver seem like a perky cheerleader. Pat McEnroe.

I often loathe: Mary Carillo's arrogance, idiocy, and her sycophant's love for Federer. Dick Enberg's perviness :tape:. Justin Gimelstob's patriotic stupidity and rampant sexism. :smash:

Phrases I never need to hear again on ATP Masters Series Tennis: "inch perfect." "gold dust."

Phrase I never, never, never need to hear again on ESPN: "the dropper!"

Conclusion: I watch way too much tennis.

DemWilliamsGulls
Oct 26th, 2008, 08:44 PM
http://www.tennisfame.com/famer.aspx?pgID=867&hof_id=155

If you consider that "sucking" and "not leaving her mark," then yes, you are sorry.

Well Pam shriver is debatable she did do well in the doubles...singles she really didnt do anything. But Mary Carillo and a few others didnt do anything notable in their career IF they even played.

markdelaney
Oct 26th, 2008, 09:03 PM
Virginia Wade who seems to be having orgasms when she describes the outfits some of the girls wear and calls them by their surname unless she likes them.

markdelaney
Oct 26th, 2008, 09:06 PM
Well Pam shriver is debatable she did do well in the doubles...singles she really didnt do anything. But Mary Carillo and a few others didnt do anything notable in their career IF they even played.

Pam Shriver reached a grand slam final and 8 semis as well as 18 quarter finals.

Joee
Oct 26th, 2008, 09:56 PM
Virginia Wade who seems to be having orgasms when she describes the outfits some of the girls wear and calls them by their surname unless she likes them.

lol :lol::lol:

I actually realize now that she does use surnames for one player and maybe the other girls actual name.
I hate her accent....well I dont like hate it, it just annoys me :D

dybbuk
Oct 26th, 2008, 09:59 PM
Phrases I never need to hear again on ATP Masters Series Tennis: "inch perfect." "gold dust."



No! :bigcry: One of the guys is always saying "No question about it!" as well.

darrinbaker00
Oct 27th, 2008, 01:14 AM
Well Pam shriver is debatable she did do well in the doubles...singles she really didnt do anything. But Mary Carillo and a few others didnt do anything notable in their career IF they even played.
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/players/playerprofiles/Playerbio.asp?PlayerID=190061

If you've played one match at that level, even if you lost that match 6-0, 6-0, then you've "really done something" as far as I'm concerned. If you see it differently, that's your problem business.

debopero
Oct 27th, 2008, 02:25 AM
ted robinson is the single worse ever possibly

Optima
Oct 27th, 2008, 02:27 AM
Chanda Rubin. States the obvious all the time and almost makes me fall asleep instantly.

duhcity
Oct 27th, 2008, 02:33 AM
I think it was either Mary Jo Fernandez or Pam Shriver that let me know that Jankovic was wearing a black thong in one of her matches.
And that little fact came from Tracy Austin's son.


No! :bigcry: One of the guys is always saying "No question about it!" as well.

Its that Australian Guy! He's usually very good though

partbrit
Oct 27th, 2008, 02:36 AM
Having a good tennis career has zero to do with being a good commentator.

Uranium
Oct 27th, 2008, 02:36 AM
I think it was either Mary Jo Fernandez or Pam Shriver that let me know that Jankovic was wearing a black thong in one of her matches.
And that little fact came from Tracy Austin's son.


That would be Pammy:D

V-MAC
Oct 27th, 2008, 05:06 AM
Sam Smith is probably my favourite commentator. She is always fair in her analysis and is modest about her own schievements.

V-MAC
Oct 27th, 2008, 05:07 AM
Lucie Ahl on the other hand I can't stand as she talks.........like.............she.............nee ds..............a............pause...............b etween...........every.......................word :o