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fufuqifuqishahah
Oct 23rd, 2008, 02:31 AM
Assume you are a top 10 player who is trying to adjust to the new calendar.

You have to make your schedule for the year 2009. And you have to do it today :D

What would it be?

Here is the 2009 calendar: http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/global/pdfs/events/2009/TourCalendar.pdf

Rules partially taken from here: http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=355587

Here are the rules:

You must play in all FOUR mandatory tournaments (IW, Miami, Madrid, Beijing) (you aren't Venus or Serena, sorry)
You must play at least SIX additional "Premier" level tournaments. FOUR of them must be $2,000,000 (Dubai-Rome-Cincinatti-Toronto-Tokyo)
You CANNOT play in more than TWO "International" level tournaments. If playing two, ONE must be pre-Wimbledon, and the other ONE must be post-Wimbledon.
If you want to skip a Grand Slam (or two, or three, or four), go ahead.
If you want to skip the YEC, go ahead, but assume that you have enough points to qualify for it. You also receive a Zero Pointer if you don't go.
You may also assume you have are eligible to play fed cup.


Keep in mind that "***Each top 10 player has to play every Premium tournament at least once every other year***"
***total # of ranked tournaments is best of 16***

To keep things consistent, please copy (ctrl+c) and paste (ctrl+v) this format:

Week of
Jan 5
Jan 12
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I
Feb 9
Feb 16
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27
May 4
May 9 Madrid
May 18
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8
Jun 15
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27
Aug 3
Aug 10
Aug 17
Aug 24
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21
Sep 28
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final

Total # of Tournaments = X ( = Y + Z + GS)
Total # of Premier Tournaments = Y ( = 4 [mandatory premier] + YEC + non-mandatory premier)
Total # of International Tournaments = Z


*note how the weeks aren't always 7 days apart (that's how they are displayed on the official calendar)
*The total # of tournaments does not include FED CUP



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Here is what my schedule would be:

Week of
Jan 5 Auckland (ASB Classic)
Jan 12
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I
Feb 9
Feb 16 Dubai
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13 Charleston
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27
May 4 Rome
May 9 Madrid
May 18
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8
Jun 15
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6 Bastad (Nordea Nordic Light Open)
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27 Stanford
Aug 3 Los Angeles
Aug 10
Aug 17 Toronto
Aug 24
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21
Sep 28 Tokyo
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final

Total # of Tournaments = 18 ( = 4 + 12 + 2)
Total # of Premier Tournaments = 12 ( = 4 + 1 + 7)
Total # of International Tournaments = 2

-:D I like to play tournaments, but I am wary of overplaying, and always like a week break before a GS.
-I played Stanford-Los Angeles-Toronto instead of Stanford-Cincinatti-Toronto since I live in Los Angeles. :p
-I play Auckland so I can get used to the Southern Hemisphere Summer before I play AO.
-I play Sweden, Nordea Nordic Light Open, since I haven't been to Sweden, and otherwise, I wouldn't have anything to do for three weeks after Wimbledon (unless of course i won wimbly. :hearts:)
-I play Charleston since I love green clay :rocker2:
-I play Tokyo-Beijing since I would love to go to Japan and it would be good preparation for Beijing.

My schedule is awesome for me because I never play for more than three weeks in a row (including FedCup, excluding IW-Miami), and if I do, it involves a Grand Slam, which have breaks in between days. I am only playing three more additional premier tournaments than the required ten (4 mandatory + 6 non-mandatory). However, my schedule the following year would be crap. >_<

Here is my Year 2 Schedule
Week of
Jan 5
Jan 12 Sydney
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I
Feb 9 Paris
Feb 16 Dubai
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27 Stuttgart
May 4
May 9 Madrid
May 18 Berlin
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8
Jun 15 Eastbourne
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27
Aug 3
Aug 10 Cincinnati
Aug 17 Toronto
Aug 24 New Haven
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21
Sep 28 Tokyo
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19 Moscow
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final

Total # of Tournaments = 20 ( = 4 + 16)
Total # of Premier Tournaments = 16 ( = 4 + 1 + 11)
Total # of International Tournaments = 0

Therefore, top 10 players can no longer schedule with only the following year in mind. They need to schedule two years.

...

duhcity
Oct 23rd, 2008, 02:59 AM
Jan 5
Jan 12 Sydney
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I - I would ask to skip this Fed Cup, assuming i'm a top player with the clout to do so.
Feb 9 - Paris
Feb 16 - Dubai
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13 Charleston
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27 Stuttgart
May 4 Rome
May 9 Madrid
May 18
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8 Birmingham (this really should be T1)
Jun 15
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27 Stanford
Aug 3 Los Angeles
Aug 10 Cincinatti
Aug 17 Toronto
Aug 24
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21
Sep 28 Toray PPO
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19 Moscow
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final


22 Total Tournaments. sounds fine.
I've never played on grass or clay, so I wouldn't know how well I would play.
I would probably play every single USOpen Series Tournament if they moved it up a week or two to guaranteed some rest time (a week!) before the Us Open.

MarieC
Oct 23rd, 2008, 04:50 AM
Week of
Jan 5
Jan 12 Sydney
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I
Feb 9
Feb 16 Dubai
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27 Stuttgart
May 4 Rome
May 9 Madrid
May 18
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8
Jun 15 Eastbourne
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27
Aug 3- Los Angles
Aug 10 Cincinnati
Aug 17 Toronto
Aug 24
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21
Sep 28 Tokyo
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19 Luxembourg
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final

18 Tournaments + Fed Cup + YEC
13 Premier Tournaments + 4 Majors + 1 ITF

fufuqifuqishahah
Oct 23rd, 2008, 05:05 AM
This is what happens with trying to obtain optimal scheduling as the result of all the rules listed here http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=355587:

Keep in mind these following rules:
***Each top 10 player has to play every Premium tournament at least once every other year***
***Mandatory to play 4 out of 5 $2,000,000 tournaments***
***Also keep in mind the temporal positioning of each tournament***
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/global/pdfs/events/2009/TourCalendar.pdf

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Why are the rules so complicated and why can't they just mush all these combinations into a simpler rule?

Anyways, If we look at the schedule, out of the mandatory 4 out of 5 $2,000,000 tournaments, every top 10 player will play Tokyo and Dubai every year -- Tokyo is away from the Grand Slams, and doesn't have 50 million other premier events scheduled around it; Dubai also doesn't have 50 million other premier events scheduled around it, and they always offer good money. What I say below will also help further this statement.

That leaves the player to decide three out of Rome, Cincinatti, and Toronto. That means...
Rome-Cincinnati, Rome-Toronto, or Cincinnati-Toronto.

If we combine this with scheduling mandatory events, and Grand Slams, you get these possible combinations, trying to give as many weeks off as possible:


Rome (player chooses Rome every year)
Year 1 // Year 2

Charleston-Fed Cup-Week Off-Rome-Madrid-Berlin-Roland Garros // Week Off-Fed Cup-Stuttgart-Rome-Madrid-Week Off-Roland Garros

or

Charleston-Fed Cup-Stuttgart-Rome-Madrid-Week Off-Roland Garros // Week Off-Fed Cup-WeekOff-Rome-Madrid-Berlin-Roland Garros

or

Charleston-Fed Cup-Week Off-Rome-Madrid-Week Off-Roland Garros // Week Off-Fed Cup-Stuttgart-Rome-Madrid-Berlin-Roland Garros

Anyway you put it, if player plays Rome every year, player would have to play at least five weeks in a row during clay season at least once every two years, even if you say "f*** you" to Fed Cup.

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If player wants to avoid that Rome situation, here is your other option -> play...

Cincinnati-Toronto (every year, and just play Rome every other year)
Year 1 // Year 2

Stanford-Week Off-Cincinnati-Toronto-Week Off-USOpen // Week Off-Los Angeles-Cincinnati-Toronto-New Haven-USOpen

or

Stanford-Los Angeles-Cincinnati-Toronto-Week Off-USOpen // Week Off-Week Off-Cincinnati-Toronto-New Haven-USOpen

or

Stanford-Week Off-Cincinnati-Toronto-New Haven-USOpen // Week Off-Los Angeles-Cincinnati-Toronto-Week Off-USOpen

Oh wait, same thing applies here. You have to play five weeks in a row at least once every two years.

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So based on this information, the smart scheduler then would HAVE to play Rome-Cincinnati/Toronto one year, and then Cincinnati-Toronto the next year to avoid this situation.

For example...

Year 1 (Rome-Toronto)
Charleston-Fed Cup-Week Off-Rome-Madrid-Week Off-Roland Garros ... Stanford-Week Off-Week Off-Toronto-New Haven-USOpen

Year 2 (Cincinnati-Toronto)
Week Off-Fed Cup-Stuttgart-Week Off-Madrid-Berlin-Roland Garros ... Week Off-Los Angeles-Cincinnati-Toronto-Week Off-USOpen

Another example...
Year 1 (Cincinnati-Toronto)
Charleston-Fed Cup-Week Off-Week Off-Madrid-Berlin-Roland Garros ... Stanford-Week Off-Cincinnati-Toronto-Week Off-USOpen

Year 2 (Rome-Cincinnati)
Week Off-Fed Cup-Stuttgart-Rome-Madrid-Week Off-Roland Garros ... Week Off-Los Angeles-Cincinnati-Week Off-New Haven-USOpen

...

So it seems like doing this will force them at most to play up to four weeks in a row once every other year in the case of the second option (provided player doesn't play Fed Cup), and four weeks in a row every year in the case of the first option, which, imo, isn't as bad as five weeks in a row any year. This is all in addition to 4 weeks of IW-Miami every year.

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Oh, but wait. If the player decides to skip one among Rome, Cincinnati, or Toronto, then the player will HAVE to play Dubai AND Tokyo every year. Tokyo will never be a problem since there is only one premier event next to it.

But lets look at Dubai.
If player has to play Dubai every year...

Dubai (every year) (this is the only option)
Year 1 // Year 2

Sydney-Australian Open-Fed Cup-Week Off-Dubai // Week Off-Australian Open-FedCup-Paris-Dubai

If player plays Fed Cup, Player will have to play four weeks in a row one year and the five weeks in a row the next.
If player doesn't play Fed Cup, then this isn't a problem.

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Ok ok, so let's say a player never plays Fed Cup. Here is what an ideal schedule would look like.

Year 1 (Dubai-Rome-Cincinnati-Tokyo)
Sydney - AO - Week Off (Fed Cup) - Week Off - Dubai - 2 Weeks Off - IW - Miami - Week Off - Charleston - Week Off (Fed Cup) - Stuttgart - Rome - Madrid - Week Off - Roland Garros - Week Off - Week Off - Wimbledon - 3 Weeks Off - Stanford - Week Off - Cincinnati - Week Off - New Haven - US Open - 2 Weeks Off - Tokyo PPO - Beijing - Week Off - Week Off - YEC

18 tournaments.

Year 2 (Dubai-Cincinnati-Toronto-Tokyo)
Week Off - AO - Week Off (Fed Cup) - Paris - Dubai - 2 Weeks Off - IW - Miami - Week Off - Week Off - Week Off (Fed Cup) - Week Off - Week Off - Madrid - Berlin - Roland Garros - Week Off - Eastbourne - Wimbledon - 3 Weeks Off - Week Off - Los Angeles - Cincinnati - Toronto - Week Off - US Open - 2 Weeks Off - Tokyo PPO - Beijing - Week Off - Moscow - YEC

18 tournaments.

The player never plays more than three weeks in a row (minus IW - Miami)

Using this example where no non-mandatory premier event is repeated, 36 (18+18) tournaments a year is the least amount of tournaments players can play every two years -- play any less, and you get fined.

So maybe the schedule isn't so bad after all! But wait...

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We can conclude the following...


Almost all (if not all) top 10 players will be playing Tokyo (Toray PPO) every year. Dubai will follow next with the most top 10 players average per year (if they continue to pay great appearance fees, they will be first). Then Cincinnati & Toronto will be similar. Then Rome will be last.
More and more players will say BYE to Fed Cup.
International tournaments will get extremely minimal top 10 players.
Everyone will not be able to make ideal schedules (18 tournaments a year) because certain tournaments will inevitably not have enough top 10 players to meet the requirements, and thus Larry Scott will force players to commit to certain tournaments.
A player who plays only 10 premier tournaments one year, meeting the 10 premier tournaments requirement (4 mandatory, 4 out of 5 $2mil, and 2 additional), for a total of 15 tournaments a year (premiers + 4GS + YEC) will be forced to play a crap load the next. (4 mandatory, 4 out of 5 $2mil, and 8 additional + 4GS and YEC) = 21 tournaments.



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Possible (Realistic) Solutions

1) Make it 3 out of 5 $2,000,000 instead of 4 out of 5.
2) Add another $2,000,000 tournament scheduled away from many premier events, making it 4 out of 6.
3) Upgrade any premier event to $2,000,000.
4) Get rid of some of these rules altogether.

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To be honest though, it's not as bad as I initially thought. Just players like Serena, Venus (with her anemia), and Maria are going to have to get used to playing many more tournaments a year. No way around it. Top 10 players who don't want to play more than 18 tournaments a year will not play ANY International level tournaments.

gaviotabr
Oct 23rd, 2008, 05:07 AM
You also have to play at least 2 $ 700.000 tournaments, being one in Europe and one in the US. Which means you have to play either Paris Indoor or Stuttgart. And either Stanford or LA. Or all of them..

LindsayRulz
Oct 23rd, 2008, 05:21 AM
"If you want to skip a Grand Slam (or two, or three, or four), go ahead."

They aren't mandatory anymore? :scratch:

Optima
Oct 23rd, 2008, 05:23 AM
It's so...empty.

Ben.
Oct 23rd, 2008, 05:29 AM
Each top 10 player has to play every Premium tournament at least once every other year

Get rid of that rule, let the players play want they want to play :shrug:

fester
Oct 23rd, 2008, 05:31 AM
You also have to play at least 2 $ 700.000 tournaments, being one in Europe and one in the US. Which means you have to play either Paris Indoor or Stuttgart. And either Stanford or LA. Or all of them..

I think it is one of Paris or Stuttgart and one of Charelston, Stanford or LA. You can play more than 2 if you wish.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Oct 23rd, 2008, 05:33 AM
I wanted to be Serena :sobbing:

Week of
Jan 5 ASB Classic Auckland
Jan 12
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I
Feb 9
Feb 16 Dubai
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13 Charleston
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27
May 4 Rome
May 9 Madrid
May 18
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8
Jun 15
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27
Aug 3 LA
Aug 10 Cincinnati
Aug 17
Aug 24
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21
Sep 28 Tokyo
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final

If I'm a top player there is no way in hell I'll be playing Moscow and then the week after play the YEC!

I think each year I'd alternate between Rome & Stuttgart, which means I'd have to play Toronto. So that will probably mean missing LA every other year (in other words, one year Rome & LA, the next year Stuttgart and Toronto). The rest will be the same, unless I decide to play Hopman Cup. I don't like Murray so I wouldn't play with him.

Ooh look at me thinking I'm a tennis player :o

~Cherry*Blossom~
Oct 23rd, 2008, 05:46 AM
I think it is one of Paris or Stuttgart and one of Charelston, Stanford or LA. You can play more than 2 if you wish.

Really? God this is so bloody confusing.

fester
Oct 23rd, 2008, 05:59 AM
Each top 10 player has to play every Premium tournament at least once every other year

Get rid of that rule, let the players play want they want to play :shrug:

I think that rule only applies to the $2,000,000 tournaments (Dubai, Rome, Cincinnati, Toronto and Tokyo) not every Premier tournament on the calender.

They have to play 4 of the 5 events in one year with the other being played the next year with three others.

eg Dubai, Rome, Toronto and Tokyo. Then Cincinnati, Rome, Dubai, Tokyo. Then Toronto and 3 others etc

brent-o
Oct 23rd, 2008, 06:06 AM
Each top 10 player has to play every Premium tournament at least once every other year

Get rid of that rule, let the players play want they want to play :shrug:

How does that rule work if you are a top player the first year, decide not to play it, but on your second year you have a sophomore slump, your ranking drops, and you can't get entry into a "Premium" tournament?

Wojtek
Oct 23rd, 2008, 06:07 AM
Men had to play 13 mandatory tournaments and it isn't big deal. :shrug: but they can play where they want.

Ben.
Oct 23rd, 2008, 06:09 AM
Week of
Jan 5
Jan 12 Sydney
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I
Feb 9
Feb 16 Dubai
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27 Stuttgart
May 4 Rome
May 9 Madrid
May 18
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8
Jun 15 Eastbourne
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27 Stanford
Aug 3
Aug 10 Cincinnati
Aug 17 Toronto
Aug 24
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21 Seoul
Sep 28
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final

Total # of Tournaments = 18 ( = 4 + 13 + 1)
Total # of Premier Tournaments = 13 ( = 4 + 1 + 8)
Total # of International Tournaments = 1

fester
Oct 23rd, 2008, 06:15 AM
Really? God this is so bloody confusing.

The rules are not that confusing when you put all the Premier tournaments into groups. What makes it difficult is the limit of Top 10 players in these Premier tournaments and the way they are spaced out on the calender.

No matter how you look at it the players are probably going to have to play 3-4 weeks in a row a couple of times in the season, especially if they want to play Fed Cup. The calender will probably cause less players to play for their country apart from the final.

The only thing I don't understand is how they can have a limit on players in the $2,000,000 tournaments if they have to play at least 4 of these each year. I think they put the limits in so that all the top 10 don't play the same tournaments, which does make sense but I think it will be difficult to manage.

Ben.
Oct 23rd, 2008, 06:23 AM
I think that rule only applies to the $2,000,000 tournaments (Dubai, Rome, Cincinnati, Toronto and Tokyo) not every Premier tournament on the calender.

They have to play 4 of the 5 events in one year with the other being played the next year with three others.

eg Dubai, Rome, Toronto and Tokyo. Then Cincinnati, Rome, Dubai, Tokyo. Then Toronto and 3 others etc

Actually that rule applies to the rest of the Premier Tourneys ($600k, $700k, $1 million)

There is also a rule (the one you mentioned) that applies to the $2 million tourneys.

I'll stop now since I'm confusing others & probably myself :lol:

fufuqifuqishahah
Oct 23rd, 2008, 06:31 AM
Ooh look at me thinking I'm a tennis player :o

But you are.

fester
Oct 23rd, 2008, 06:44 AM
Actually that rule applies to the rest of the Premier Tourneys ($600k, $700k, $1 million)

There is also a rule (the one you mentioned) that applies to the $2 million tourneys.

I'll stop now since I'm confusing others & probably myself :lol:


I don't see how that is possible.

If you take out the GS, the 4 mandatory tournaments and the 2 million dollar tournaments it leaves the 3 american tournaments (Stanford, Charleston and LA), the European tournaments (Paris and Stuttgart and the tournaments a week before the GS and YEC (Sydney, Berlin Eastbourne, New Haven and Moscow.

Using Stanford, Charleston and LA as an example. The top 10 have to play 1 of these at the least during the year. That means the other 2 have to be played next year, but (correct me if this is wrong) there is a 1 top 6 limit. It is imposible to have the top 10 play each event once a year. There aren't enough places.

Like I said before, what makes this calender confusing is the top 10 limit.

starin
Oct 23rd, 2008, 07:13 AM
i wonder if tanking will become a problem. That way they don't get banned from their next tournament and they don't have to overplay and risk injury. 13 mandatory events is okay for the men cuz the men are physically stronger. The women have already shown injury problems won't this schedule just make it worse.

Rik.
Oct 23rd, 2008, 08:49 AM
yes it's so empty all :sad: :tape:

DutchieGirl
Oct 23rd, 2008, 10:02 AM
"If you want to skip a Grand Slam (or two, or three, or four), go ahead."

They aren't mandatory anymore? :scratch:

They are - like all other mandatories if you qualify by ranking and don't play, you get a 0 pointer in your total.

DutchieGirl
Oct 23rd, 2008, 10:13 AM
Week of
Jan 5
Jan 12 Sydney (rather play Hobart, but then I can't play Rosmalen so...)
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I
Feb 9
Feb 16 Dubai
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27 Stuttgart
May 4 Rome
May 9 Madrid
May 18
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8
Jun 15 Rosmalen
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27
Aug 3 LA
Aug 10 Cincy
Aug 17 Toronto
Aug 24
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21
Sep 28 Tokyo
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19 Luxembourg
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final

It's 19 tourneys + fed cup. I'd like to play Linz too, but can't and also I'd wanna play something between Wimby and LA (and no not Stanford, otherwise it's ALOT of weeks in a row).
I'm screwed after the first tourney already, coz I already know 2 international tourneys I wanna play, but both are before Wimby.

InsideOut.
Oct 23rd, 2008, 01:04 PM
It's so difficult to avoid playing so many weeks in a row. :mad:

InsideOut.
Oct 23rd, 2008, 01:14 PM
YEAR 1
Week of
Jan 5
Jan 12
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I
Feb 9 Paris
Feb 16
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27 Stuttgart
May 4 Rome
May 9 Madrid
May 18
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8 Birmingham
Jun 15
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27
Aug 3 Los Angeles
Aug 10 Cincinnati
Aug 17 Toronto
Aug 24
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21
Sep 28 Tokyo
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final

YEAR 2
Week of
Jan 5
Jan 12 Sydney
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I
Feb 9
Feb 16 Dubai
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13 Charleston
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27
May 4
May 9 Madrid
May 18 Berlin
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8
Jun 15 Eastbourne
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27 Stanford
Aug 3
Aug 10 Cincinnati
Aug 17 Montreal
Aug 24 New Haven (but I have to give a walkover first match)
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21
Sep 28 Tokyo
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19 Moscow
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final

Oswald56
Oct 23rd, 2008, 01:15 PM
Doh, no one's playing Brisbane!

kwilliams
Oct 23rd, 2008, 01:40 PM
Week of
Jan 5 Brisbane
Jan 12
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I
Feb 9
Feb 16 Dubai
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13 Charleston
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27
May 4 Rome
May 9 Madrid
May 18
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8
Jun 15
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13 Prague
Jul 20
Jul 27 Stanford
Aug 3
Aug 10
Aug 17 Toronto
Aug 24
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21
Sep 28 Tokyo
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final

I'm not crazy about my schedule. I think I'll tank Indian Wells. I don't want to play there if the sisters aren't playing there. I might tank Prague as well. I'm not going to be in a good mood so soon after losing my first grand slam final, even though I did lose to Venus at Wimbledon. Don't want to do too much travelling before the American summer either.

InsideOut.
Oct 23rd, 2008, 01:45 PM
People...it's difficult enough to do one year, but you actually have to do two to get how difficult it can be. :)

And as for tanking IW because the sisters aren't playing there, :lol:, wouldn't you play there just to get easier points without the WS aren't there to stop you? ;)

Dawson.
Oct 23rd, 2008, 02:39 PM
so, there will be weeks of no tennis being shown on tv, then when it is on, all the top players will be injured due to playing 3 weeks in a row :o

tucker1989
Oct 23rd, 2008, 02:46 PM
Week of
Jan 5 Brisbane
Jan 12
Jan 19 Australian Open (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=14292532#)
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I
Feb 9
Feb 16 Dubai
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27
May 4 Rome
May 9 Madrid
May 18
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8
Jun 15 Eastbourne
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27 Stanford
Aug 3 Los Angeles
Aug 10 Cincinnati
Aug 17
Aug 24 New Haven
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14 Guangzhou
Sep 21
Sep 28 Tokyo
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19 Moscow
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final

~Cherry*Blossom~
Oct 23rd, 2008, 10:42 PM
They are - like all other mandatories if you qualify by ranking and don't play, you get a 0 pointer in your total.

But unlike IW, Miami, Madrid and Beijing if you miss a slam you can still play in the next slam. You don't have to do promotion for the slam to get out of missing the next one. Or has that rule now changed as well?

Thinking about it, maybe V&S should skip Beijing at the end of every year, meaning they won't be allowed to play at Indian Wells :devil:

That being said, I might skip one of the four mandatory tour events and just do promotion for them :angel:

DutchieGirl
Oct 23rd, 2008, 10:48 PM
But unlike IW, Miami, Madrid and Beijing if you miss a slam you can still play in the next slam. You don't have to do promotion for the slam to get out of missing the next one. Or has that rule now changed as well?

Thinking about it, maybe V&S should skip Beijing at the end of every year, meaning they won't be allowed to play at Indian Wells :devil:

That being said, I might skip one of the four mandatory tour events and just do promotion for them :angel:
True, but then these days no one in their right mind actually pulls out of a slam unless really injured - so they don't need to have the "skip a slam, don't play the next" rule like the do for the other ones. ;) Plus, the Slams aren't run by the WTA anyway - they are run by the ITF = no WTA promo necessary in that sense, and WTA can't impose those rules on the players as they don't run the Slams. ;)

DutchieGirl
Oct 23rd, 2008, 10:52 PM
Doh, no one's playing Brisbane!
I would but I'm only allowed one international tourney in the first half of the year...it has to be Rosmalen, sorry. :p I'd prefer to play Hobart too actually. ;)

Slutiana
Oct 23rd, 2008, 10:57 PM
Im not even gonna attempt this with all these millions of rules. :tape: Its gonna be a nightmare for the players just to make the right schedule! Larry Scott NEEDS FIRED!

LightWarrior
Oct 23rd, 2008, 11:37 PM
This new calendar is totally insane. Far fewer tournaments. A few notes :
- Stuttgart,Zurich,Doha, Amelia Island (that was such a beautiful scenery) gone ??
- New Stuttart tournament on clay ?
- Worst of all : the Kremlin Cup being played the week before YEC ?? Is that serious, and who will play there? Aren't players allowed to have at least a week off leading to such a big event ?
- About IW. The WS won't play as we all know. What will happen ?

pov
Oct 24th, 2008, 01:18 AM
The calender isn't complicated. It's people on this board making it that way.

Serenita
Oct 24th, 2008, 01:50 AM
Im not even gonna attempt this with all these millions of rules. :tape: Its gonna be a nightmare for the players just to make the right schedule! Larry Scott NEEDS FIRED!
Slutiana i totally agree with you!

That dirty whore needs to get fired!!! he's gonna kill our sport.
he's not thinking what this is going to do to certain players.
-pova-Serena-Venus-Ana-rad. Do we really want these girls to be playing every other week? with all the injuries and retirements, it's is gonna be a disaster.

mboyle
Oct 24th, 2008, 04:50 AM
I think it is one of Paris or Stuttgart and one of Charelston, Stanford or LA. You can play more than 2 if you wish.

Source?

Also, to clarify, you have to play each of the 2mil premier tournaments every other year as I understand. You only have to commit to 2 of the 600k or 700k events.

mboyle
Oct 24th, 2008, 04:51 AM
Slutiana i totally agree with you!

That dirty whore needs to get fired!!! he's gonna kill our sport.
he's not thinking what this is going to do to certain players.
-pova-Serena-Venus-Ana-rad. Do we really want these girls to be playing every other week? with all the injuries and retirements, it's is gonna be a disaster.

They only play 16 tournaments per year. That's not so bad. I think it's brilliant.

fester
Oct 24th, 2008, 06:41 AM
Source?

Also, to clarify, you have to play each of the 2mil premier tournaments every other year as I understand. You only have to commit to 2 of the 600k or 700k events.


http://www.anaivanovic.com/?path=start/news&detailpage=1286

Fifth paragraph down. Obviously the players and their websites have been known to get things wrong but for the moment we might as well believe it is one of the many rules.

416_Man
Oct 24th, 2008, 06:55 AM
Best thing to happen to the WTA. Clearly this is to benefit television contracts, irregular tennis fans, and to ensure that the ticket sales at events over 600k will have stellar sales.

Currently, in most countries, the WTA events shown are restricted to the slams and 1 or 2 more events. Moreover, many players are simply starving financially because of the low payout of so many events. Losing 2nd rd in a Tier III and you receive 3k maybe. When the hotel costs 200/night, and the flight cost 1k. Hmm. This will save so many of those players.

The people complaining are simply being selfish. For once, think about the life of a tennis player not in the top 20. Not a cheap life. Idiots.

aussie_fan
Oct 24th, 2008, 07:21 AM
Men had to play 13 mandatory tournaments and it isn't big deal. :shrug: but they can play where they want.

agreed, i like the way atp does it. I just think it's so ridclous that players are only allowed to play 2 International, let them play a smany as they want, it's better for those top players to play more of those tournament for thsoe tournaments to attract sponsors. Do it the way the atp does it (even though they are fucking with it as well) 4 GS, 8 or 9 Mandatory events and then get the next 5 best events. The schdule is one of the dumbest things i have ever seen.

DutchieGirl
Oct 24th, 2008, 10:05 AM
agreed, i like the way atp does it. I just think it's so ridclous that players are only allowed to play 2 International, let them play a smany as they want, it's better for those top players to play more of those tournament for thsoe tournaments to attract sponsors. Do it the way the atp does it (even though they are fucking with it as well) 4 GS, 8 or 9 Mandatory events and then get the next 5 best events. The schdule is one of the dumbest things i have ever seen.

Boooooooooooooooo. No - not more mandatories. :p

frenchie
Oct 24th, 2008, 10:25 AM
Jan 5
Jan 12 Sydney
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2
Feb 9
Feb 16 Dubai
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13 Charleston
Apr 20
Apr 27
May 4 Rome
May 9 Madrid
May 18
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8
Jun 15Eastbourne
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27 Stanford
Aug 3 Los Angeles
Aug 10
Aug 17 Toronto
Aug 24
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21
Sep 28 Toray
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19
Oct 26 YEC

That would be my schedule, as a top 10 player : 18 tournaments
I tried to limit travels and to make sure I have resting time
I wouldn't play Fed Cup