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Volcana
Oct 19th, 2008, 02:41 PM
I'm not even putting aside the rankings. The rankings are designed to be a fair way to seed tournaments, and they do that. But the rankings do NOT order the players from best to worst. But the best player is certainly going to be in the top ten somewhere, barring injury.

The best player should be undisputably, and obviously that. (Serena '02, Henin '07). Oftentimes it's two players, and then everyone else, but usually one of those two is clearly better. The fans of any of the top eight players (adding in Zurich ranking points) ....
1 Jelena Jankovic
2 Dinara Safina
3 Serena Williams
4 Ana Ivanovic
5 Elena Dementieva
6 Maria Sharapova
7 Svetlana Kuznetsova
8 Venus Williams
.... could make the case that their fave is just as good as any of the others. That's not a 'best' scenraio.

Will the YEC decide anything? Not really. Well, if Ivanovic wins it, she'll have a GS win, a final, and the YEC. Not a strong year, by 'best player' standards, but a very good year otherwise. OTOH, suppose Kuznetsova wins it?

This year has a lot of 1998 in it.

eugreene2
Oct 19th, 2008, 02:44 PM
Well, I'm like the Williams' sisters in my thinking - who cares about the notion of "best player", just give me the slams!!!

vwfan
Oct 19th, 2008, 02:46 PM
I'm not even putting aside the rankings. The rankings are designed to be a fair way to seed tournaments, and they do that. But the rankings do NOT order the players from best to worst. But the best player is certainly going to be in the top ten somewhere, barring injury.

The best player should be undisputably, and obviously that. (Serena '02, Henin '07). Oftentimes it's two players, and then everyone else, but usually one of those two is clearly better. The fans of any of the top eight players (adding in Zurich ranking points) ....
1 Jelena Jankovic
2 Dinara Safina
3 Serena Williams
4 Ana Ivanovic
5 Elena Dementieva
6 Maria Sharapova
7 Svetlana Kuznetsova
8 Venus Williams
.... could make the case that their fave is just as good as any of the others. That's not a 'best' scenraio.

Will the YEC decide anything? Not really. Well, if Ivanovic wins it, she'll have a GS win, a final, and the YEC. Not a strong year, by 'best player' standards, but a very good year otherwise. OTOH, suppose Kuznetsova wins it?

This year has a lot of 1998 in it.well, it seems Serena is the favorite: Wimbledon final, wins at U.S. Open and Miami and a total of four titles to her name so far. Ana, Jelena and Venus if either won could make the case for player of the year also with a win.

homogenius
Oct 19th, 2008, 02:48 PM
I'm not even putting aside the rankings. The rankings are designed to be a fair way to seed tournaments, and they do that. But the rankings do NOT order the players from best to worst. But the best player is certainly going to be in the top ten somewhere, barring injury.

The best player should be undisputably, and obviously that. (Serena '02, Henin '07). Oftentimes it's two players, and then everyone else, but usually one of those two is clearly better. The fans of any of the top eight players (adding in Zurich ranking points) ....
1 Jelena Jankovic
2 Dinara Safina
3 Serena Williams
4 Ana Ivanovic
5 Elena Dementieva
6 Maria Sharapova
7 Svetlana Kuznetsova
8 Venus Williams
.... could make the case that their fave is just as good as any of the others. That's not a 'best' scenraio.

Will the YEC decide anything? Not really. Well, if Ivanovic wins it, she'll have a GS win, a final, and the YEC. Not a strong year, by 'best player' standards, but a very good year otherwise. OTOH, suppose Kuznetsova wins it?

This year has a lot of 1998 in it.

Really ? I'm waiting to see someone makes the case of Venus or Sveta being the best player this year.Should be interesting...

tennnisfannn
Oct 19th, 2008, 02:50 PM
So far Serena's has the biggest win and if she wins YEC then she is player of the year

V's a star
Oct 19th, 2008, 02:55 PM
If i had to choose id give it to Serena. She made the final of Wimbledon, won USO, won the biggest tier 1 hardcourt event, and won 1 of the two biggest clay court events, and a tier 2 in Bangalore. Its been her best year in a long while.
WHY VENUS WHY DID U LOSE 10 SET POINTS :( still hurts

goldenlox
Oct 19th, 2008, 03:02 PM
Justine was the best player by far the last 5 years before she retired. More than twice as many slam wins as anyone else, more titles, more weeks at #1 than anyone else.
Now that she retired, it might take a couple of years before someone else pulls away from the pack

Dodoboy.
Oct 19th, 2008, 03:13 PM
YEC will help sort it out guys, just wait.

If Jelena, Dinara or Serena wins then we will have a CLEAR player of the year.

Volcana
Oct 19th, 2008, 03:17 PM
Really ? I'm waiting to see someone makes the case of Venus or Sveta being the best player this year.Should be interesting...Which is exactly why I did NOT write that. What I wote was ".... could make the case that their fave is just as good as any of the others".

Wanna see me make the case that Venus is 'just as good as' Jelena Jankovic. I'll do it in seven words. Venus won a slam. Jankovic did not.
Winning arguement? Maybe, maybe not. 'Make-able- arguement? Definitely.
Wanna see me make the case that Venus is 'just as good as' Serena. They faced off in the biggest match of the year. Who won?

ZeroSOFInfinity
Oct 19th, 2008, 03:20 PM
In my opinion, the 2008 season can be summarized in 4 different quarters....

1st Quarter (beginning of year until mid April) - Sharapova's dominance / Serena's great comeback
2nd Quarter (Mid April till end May) - Ana reaching the Summit
3rd Quarter (End May till mid August) - The Rise of Dinara
4th Quarter (Mid August till now) - Resurgence of Jelena

flyingmachine
Oct 19th, 2008, 03:22 PM
Justine was the best player by far the last 5 years before she retired. More than twice as many slam wins as anyone else, more titles, more weeks at #1 than anyone else.
Now that she retired, it might take a couple of years before someone else pulls away from the pack

True.

goldenlox
Oct 19th, 2008, 03:24 PM
This year was unusual because Justine retired and Maria had a rotator cuff tear, and coming out of the 2008 AO they had won 5 of the previous 8 majors.
There were 4 majors an Olympics and a YE #1, and that is 6 different players.
Next year will help sort things out.

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 19th, 2008, 03:26 PM
Only Serena, Jelena, Ana and Venus are in contention for POY, imo. If one of them wins YEC the case is closed. If another player wins, POY is going to Serena based on her USO win over Jankovic and Miami win over Jankovic.

bandabou
Oct 19th, 2008, 03:28 PM
Justine was the best player by far the last 5 years before she retired. More than twice as many slam wins as anyone else, more titles, more weeks at #1 than anyone else.
Now that she retired, it might take a couple of years before someone else pulls away from the pack

Uhumm...most consistent if you'd like. Although that ZERO wimbledons surely is a shame.

Dave.
Oct 19th, 2008, 03:32 PM
I only look to Serena, Jelena and Ana for being the best player of the year. If one of them wins the YEC it will strengthen their case but I think it will still pretty open.

1998 was Davenport and then Hingis, nobody else came close.

homogenius
Oct 19th, 2008, 03:35 PM
Which is exactly why I did NOT write that. What I wote was ".... could make the case that their fave is just as good as any of the others".

Wanna see me make the case that Venus is 'just as good as' Jelena Jankovic. I'll do it in seven words. Venus won a slam. Jankovic did not.
Winning arguement? Maybe, maybe not. 'Make-able- arguement? Definitely.
Wanna see me make the case that Venus is 'just as good as' Serena. They faced off in the biggest match of the year. Who won?

I thought your thread was about the best player of the YEAR.The year is a bit more than just one tourney or one match.
How Maria, Ana or Venus are as good as Serena this year ?
How is Kuzzy as good as the other 7 this year ?

Expat
Oct 19th, 2008, 03:38 PM
Uhumm...most consistent if you'd like. Although that ZERO wimbledons surely is a shame.
wtf the days when did wimbledon was a barometer for a person's tennis skills is long over
its now a antique tournament played on a surface that none of the elite play before and after wimbledon

bandabou
Oct 19th, 2008, 03:47 PM
wtf the days when did wimbledon was a barometer for a person's tennis skills is long over
its now a antique tournament played on a surface that none of the elite play before and after wimbledon

It still has the prestige...

tennisIlove09
Oct 19th, 2008, 03:52 PM
I think it comes down to Serena and Ivanovic. They both have had ups and downs this season, but at the end of the day they each have 2 Slam finals, each winning 1 and each have a Tier 1 after that. If one of those two wins the YEC, they seal the deal IMO.

If Venus and or Jankovic win the YEC, they are the POY then.

KournikovaFan91
Oct 19th, 2008, 05:53 PM
I think Safina because she was most consistant and played well since Berlin so has had the longest run of success. Ok no Slam but has done much better than Ana who has.

Even if Ana wins YEC she still lost to Coin, and Zheng and almost lost to Dushevina and Dechy so she is hardly player of the year with results like that.

ElusiveChanteuse
Oct 19th, 2008, 06:07 PM
I think Safina because she was most consistant and played well since Berlin so has had the longest run of success. Ok no Slam but has done much better than Ana who has.

Even if Ana wins YEC she still lost to Coin, and Zheng and almost lost to Dushevina and Dechy so she is hardly player of the year with results like that.

JJ is much more consistent than Dinara since the beginning of the year and also did similar achievements as Dinara. :shrug: So JJ is definitely above Dinara in POTY IMO.

vwfan
Oct 19th, 2008, 06:23 PM
Whichever Grand Slam winner wins YEC, they become the POY, no matter what other results there are. If someone other than the Grand Slam winners take the title, then Serena is the player of the year.

kiwifan
Oct 19th, 2008, 06:26 PM
Well, I'm like the Williams' sisters in my thinking - who cares about the notion of "best player", just give me the slams!!! :worship:

TheFifthAvocado
Oct 19th, 2008, 06:34 PM
Well, I'm like the Williams' sisters in my thinking - who cares about the notion of "best player", just give me the slams!!!

Are you sure they think like that? Then why do the Williams' like to raise one finger (as in #1) whenever they win tournaments?

ElusiveChanteuse
Oct 19th, 2008, 06:40 PM
Are you sure they think like that? Then why do the Williams' like to raise one finger (as in #1) whenever they win tournaments?

Yeah perhaps, but that doesn't mean she wants to be #1. Maybe they just THINK they're #1.:p
Besides, didn't Serena say last year that she wants to be #1 or year-end #1 before?:scratch: Too bad I can't find that thread.:o :p

Lucemferre
Oct 19th, 2008, 06:41 PM
Serena is the greatest player of the last 10 years. She is still active and the best player of 2008. Some people are still obsessed with retired players :spit:

Lucemferre
Oct 19th, 2008, 06:45 PM
In my opinion, the 2008 season can be summarized in 4 different quarters....

1st Quarter (beginning of year until mid April) - Sharapova's dominance / Serena's great comeback
2nd Quarter (Mid April till end May) - Ana reaching the Summit
3rd Quarter (End May till mid August) - The Rise of Dinara
4th Quarter (Mid August till now) - Resurgence of Jelena

I guess you forgot Venus won Wimbledon and Serena won the usopen :spit: Such a phony hater :lol:

goldenlox
Oct 19th, 2008, 06:46 PM
It's not obsession, it's fact. Thew AO, the Olympics, Montreal, USO, Zurich, YEC. These are all tournaments that Justine is defending champion and chose not to defend.
It makes the tour weaker.

Geisha
Oct 19th, 2008, 06:50 PM
In my opinion, the 2008 season can be summarized in 4 different quarters....

1st Quarter (beginning of year until mid April) - Sharapova's dominance / Serena's great comeback
2nd Quarter (Mid April till end May) - Ana reaching the Summit
3rd Quarter (End May till mid August) - The Rise of Dinara
4th Quarter (Mid August till now) - Resurgence of Jelena

Then, I'd say that Serena has been the best player.

1st quarter, you mentioned Serena.
3rd quarter, Serena was in the Wimbledon final
4th quarter, Serena won the US Open.

Geisha
Oct 19th, 2008, 06:52 PM
It's not obsession, it's fact. Thew AO, the Olympics, Montreal, USO, Zurich, YEC. These are all tournaments that Justine is defending champion and chose not to defend.
It makes the tour weaker.

I don't agree.

What makes the Tour weaker is that players like Serena, Ivanovic, Venus, Sharapova, or Jankovic didn't step up and dominate.

MaBaker
Oct 19th, 2008, 06:52 PM
I think it comes down to Serena and Ivanovic. They both have had ups and downs this season, but at the end of the day they each have 2 Slam finals, each winning 1 and each have a Tier 1 after that. If one of those two wins the YEC, they seal the deal IMO.

If Venus and or Jankovic win the YEC, they are the POY then.
You gotta be kidding me. After FO, she did nothing , only early exits. I agree about Serena though, if she wins yec she will defenitely be the best this year. If Jankovic wins yec,maybe she can be considered, Venus too, but if Ana wins - Serena should be the POY

goldenlox
Oct 19th, 2008, 06:54 PM
None of them were good enough or healthy enough to dominate, or even open up a slight lead on the field.
And Dementieva won the Olympic Gold medal. That's a pretty big title also and she holds it for 4 years

duhcity
Oct 19th, 2008, 07:01 PM
I'm sorry. I love Venus, but the fact that her name comes up in contention of POTY is quite laughable.
It was a terrible year for Venus until today. Mainly poor results outside Wimbledon, and not the best performances at slams either.

It really comes down for me personally, Safina, Jankovic or Serena for me.

Cp6uja
Oct 19th, 2008, 07:01 PM
Serena Williams and Ana Ivanovic with GS title out of two GS finals and superTier-I (two-weekers) titles and seasons high #1 rankings (both) already have better season than 2 of last 4 WTA officially awarded "Player of The Year" (2004-Maria Sharapova and 2005 Kim Clijsters). Serena with one more tier-I and tier-II title than Ana is in clear advantage, so Ivanovic will overtake her only with YEC title.

BTW in last 10 seasons (1999-2008) only 3 times "Player of The Year" is player which reach #1 at end of season (Serena/02, Henin/03/07), so this 2008 Jelena Jankovic case is nothing really strange (even if she wins YEC she will stay behind Serena and Ana). Dinara Safina, Elena Dementieva and Venus Williams if winning YEC have chances to overtake Jelena 2008 3rd place by some criteria, but for POY is too late (but Dinara Safina will reach for sure "Most Improvment Player" award).

AcesHigh
Oct 19th, 2008, 07:02 PM
Hmm...it will be interesting if anyone other than Serena or Ivanovic wins YEC. If Jelena, Venus, or Dinara wins YEC, they could somehow make a case. I think if Serena makes the semi's or final though, she's pretty much locked up POTY.

goldenlox
Oct 19th, 2008, 07:05 PM
2004 Justine won the FO & Olympic Gold. That she didn't get POY shows the voting is a joke.
Myskina should have been 2nd not Sharapova winning

mboyle
Oct 19th, 2008, 07:06 PM
You gotta be kidding me. After FO, she did nothing , only early exits. I agree about Serena though, if she wins yec she will defenitely be the best this year. If Jankovic wins yec,maybe she can be considered, Venus too, but if Ana wins - Serena should be the POY

Arguments:

Jankovic: Year end no. 1, but that's about it. She did not win a major, which IMHO automatically disqualifies her. If she wins the YEC, she has a decent argument, but she didn't even either of the major tier 1 titles.

Safina: Don't make me laugh. No major, not year end no. 1. Even if she wins the YEC, without that year end no. 1 she doesn't have a good argument for player of the year.

Serena; The favorite right now. She won a major, finaled at another major, won Miami and had a good record against the other top players. Winning the YEC would seal it.

Ivanovic: Second favorite. Won a major, won Indian Wells, finaled in Oz, pretty good record against other top players, winning the YEC would give her a strong argument, but her bad losses would leave the door open for an argument that Serena was better, unless Ivanovic like destroys Serena or something at the YEC.

Sharapova: She holds the best win-loss record of the year. That should count for something. I wouldn't make the case that she is POTY, but it would be more credible than saying Safina is POTY in my opinion.

There really isn't an argument for anyone else. For me, essentially, unless Jankovic or Ivanovic wins the YEC, Serena is clearly the player of the year, and even if either of the serbs wins YEC, Serena still has a very good case as player of the year unless she bombs out.

mboyle
Oct 19th, 2008, 07:07 PM
2004 Justine won the FO & Olympic Gold. That she didn't get POY shows the voting is a joke.
Myskina should have been 2nd not Sharapova winning

Justine didn't win the FO that year. She won Oz, and then did not play (or play well) until the Olympics, and did not play after the US Open. I think Sharapova was the appropriate choice. You are obviously not serious with Myskina, but...

goldenlox
Oct 19th, 2008, 07:09 PM
You're right. I know Myskina won the FO.
Myskina won the ITF POY that year.

homogenius
Oct 19th, 2008, 07:17 PM
Serena Williams and Ana Ivanovic with GS title out of two GS finals and superTier-I (two-weekers) titles and seasons high #1 rankings (both) already have better season than 2 of last 4 WTA officially awarded "Player of The Year" (2004-Maria Sharapova and 2005 Kim Clijsters). Serena with one more tier-I and tier-II title than Ana is in clear advantage, so Ivanovic will overtake her only with YEC title.

BTW in last 10 seasons (1999-2008) only 3 times "Player of The Year" is player which reach #1 at end of season (Serena/02, Henin/03/07), so this 2008 Jelena Jankovic case is nothing really strange (even if she wins YEC she will stay behind Serena and Ana). Dinara Safina, Elena Dementieva and Venus Williams if winning YEC have chances to overtake Jelena 2008 3rd place by some criteria, but for POY is too late (but Dinara Safina will reach for sure "Most Improvment Player" award).

Sorry but Ana is far behind atm.She had 3 excellent tourneys and that's it.Only Sveta has a worst w/l ratio than her in the top10, and only Sharapova has less wins than her.She lost in 2nd or 3rd round in half the events she played with a "highlight" at USO (Coin !!).She only beat 5 top10 players this year and has 2 titles to 4 for Serena, Jelena or Safina.I won't even comment on how she performed as a n°1...

So between Serena and Ana there's no match atm(and I'm not sure a win at YEC could change that)

Volcana
Oct 19th, 2008, 07:19 PM
Justine was the best player by far the last 5 years before she retired.Yet she lost her last three tournaments in 2008, so she has no more ultimate claim as 'best' player this year than anyone else.

AcesHigh
Oct 19th, 2008, 07:21 PM
Btw, are we talking about POTY.. or who is the "best" player this year. They're not really the same. One is based PURELY on achievements and statistics.. and one is just based on analysis of the year, form, etc.

bandabou
Oct 19th, 2008, 07:37 PM
And since when was Justine the defending Oz open champ?!

Volcana
Oct 19th, 2008, 07:46 PM
Btw, are we talking about POTY.. or who is the "best" player this year. They're not really the same. One is based PURELY on achievements and statistics.. and one is just based on analysis of the year, form, etc.I started the thread talking about who the 'best' player was, but threads go where they go. Martina Hingis was POTY once without winning a slam. Could happen again.

mb011
Oct 19th, 2008, 08:01 PM
Justine was the best player by far the last 5 years before she retired. More than twice as many slam wins as anyone else, more titles, more weeks at #1 than anyone else.
Now that she retired, it might take a couple of years before someone else pulls away from the pack

i agree with you on this. and also i think its fun this way, that no one is really "the best",and that everyone will have to improve their game and take it to the next level, to "pull away from the pack". also i think the one who realizes this the most is jankovic, who has really improved her game from this summer... she improved the serve, which was a really weak part of her game for years, also ana has worked on her movement, as did safina. so we'll have to wait and see just what will the season 2009 bring. i think YEC will determine nothing, although i'd like to see jelena taking it, just to prove she has the potential to do some great stuff in '09 (like win that freaking grand slam title).

Cp6uja
Oct 19th, 2008, 08:08 PM
Sorry but Ana is far behind atm.She had 3 excellent tourneys and that's it.Only Sveta has a worst w/l ratio than her in the top10, and only Sharapova has less wins than her.She lost in 2nd or 3rd round in half the events she played with a "highlight" at USO (Coin !!).She only beat 5 top10 players this year and has 2 titles to 4 for Serena, Jelena or Safina.I won't even comment on how she performed as a n°1...

So between Serena and Ana there's no match atm(and I'm not sure a win at YEC could change that)In 2006 Justine Henin reach all 4 GS finals (including RG title), several other titles (including YEC) and finished season at #1 place. On other hand Mauresmo season is not even close so impressive in terms of titles or W/L ratio (Sharapova is also way better), but she won two slams (one more than Henin or Maria) and that is enough for her to reach POTY award, because

GS-W>>>GS-RU=YEC-W=OG-W>>>tier1-W>>>tier-II

End of story... so if Ivanovic wins YEC, she will overtake Serena by 2008 achivments. Player of the year not means "most consistent player of the year" so when we rate players 2008 achivments it's no matter that all Maria achivment is from 1st and all Venus achivments is from 2nd half of season, that Safina played before may just like average TOP20 player and Ana have that down after injury problem...etc... Pennetta for example reach more titles in 2008 than Ana, have about 15 more wins than Ana but she reach under 600.000$ and Ana reach over 2.600.000$ this season so far... because some wins obviously have much bigger value than others and GS final is tennis bigger achivment than any title except GS title (actualy YEC title and OG Gold have similar prestige).

Only "negative" achivment in tennis is doping scandals and afairs, so i dont see how Ivanovic bad loses after injury recovering make her RG title, AO final, IW title, #1 spot for 10+ weeks and eventual YEC title achivments "less worth"???

I started the thread talking about who the 'best' player was, but threads go where they go. Martina Hingis was POTY once without winning a slam. Could happen again.If you talking about official WTA POTY award... its never happen. Here we have for example unofficial LudwigDvorak TOP10 POTY list where currently 3 of TOP4 players is slamless - but there i see big problem about criteria which he use. I will repeat 2006 example: Justine reach all 4 GS final with RG title and several others (including YEC) and finished season at #1 place. Mauresmo reach 2 GS titles (one more than Justine) without anything else special, and that is enough in her case to reach POTY (WTA official) award.

youizahoe
Oct 19th, 2008, 10:26 PM
If Serena wins the yec, she'll be by far the best player of the year. She'll have 4 big titles;

01 US Open
02 YEC
03 Miami
04 Charleston

youizahoe
Oct 19th, 2008, 10:28 PM
Serena Williams and Ana Ivanovic with GS title out of two GS finals and superTier-I (two-weekers) titles and seasons high #1 rankings (both) already have better season than 2 of last 4 WTA officially awarded "Player of The Year" (2004-Maria Sharapova and 2005 Kim Clijsters). Serena with one more tier-I and tier-II title than Ana is in clear advantage, so Ivanovic will overtake her only with YEC title.

BTW in last 10 seasons (1999-2008) only 3 times "Player of The Year" is player which reach #1 at end of season (Serena/02, Henin/03/07), so this 2008 Jelena Jankovic case is nothing really strange (even if she wins YEC she will stay behind Serena and Ana). Dinara Safina, Elena Dementieva and Venus Williams if winning YEC have chances to overtake Jelena 2008 3rd place by some criteria, but for POY is too late (but Dinara Safina will reach for sure "Most Improvment Player" award).

Even if Ana wins the yec, she'll still have had a mediocre year, with only highlight at AO and FO.

spencercarlos
Oct 19th, 2008, 10:36 PM
I would agree on Serena, she best tennis of this year has involved her. Still considering a big event like the YEC, i think the slam winner that wraps it pretty much takes it.

youizahoe
Oct 19th, 2008, 10:40 PM
In my opinion, the 2008 season can be summarized in 4 different quarters....

1st Quarter (beginning of year until mid April) - Sharapova's dominance / Serena's great comeback
2nd Quarter (Mid April till end May) - Ana reaching the Summit
3rd Quarter (End May till mid August) - The Rise of Dinara
4th Quarter (Mid August till now) - Resurgence of Jelena

I'd say the more logical one;

1st Quarter (beginning of year until mid April) - Serena's dominance [Bangalore&Miami&Charleston] & Sharapova's AO RUN.
2nd Quarter (Mid April till end May) - Ana reaching the Summit
3rd Quarter (End May till mid August) - The Rise of Dinara
4th Quarter (Mid August till now) - Serena's US OPEN Dominance & Resurgence of Jelena

Cp6uja
Oct 19th, 2008, 10:41 PM
Even if Ana wins the yec, she'll still have had a mediocre year, with only highlight at AO and FO.So YEC title is mediocre achivment (Indian Wells superTier-I and 10+ weeks at #1 also)???

If Ana wins YEC, she will be fairly Player Of The 2008 - in all other cases it will be Serena.

youizahoe
Oct 19th, 2008, 10:45 PM
So YEC title is mediocre achivment (Indian Wells superTier-I and 10+ weeks at #1 also)???

If Ana wins YEC, she is Player Of The 2008 - in all other cases it will be Serena.

If IW is a supertier 1, Miami would be a slam, although they refer to miami as the 5th grand slam, and not IW.

* Us Open = Roland Garros
* Miami [$4,5] >>> IW [$2,5]
* Charleston T1
* Bangalore
* 43-7 [86%]

Ana can't even win a match right now, how the hell can she be called the 2008 best if she wins the YEC.

Vlover
Oct 19th, 2008, 10:47 PM
Still considering a big event like the YEC, i think the slam winner that wraps it pretty much takes it.

If this includes Venus we are in agreement here.;)

Lunaris
Oct 19th, 2008, 10:51 PM
Yet another pointless thread started by Volcana, in which he tells us that the rankings are a fair way how to determine seeding, but they don't order the players from best to worst. One could admire his dedication to this topic.

Nicolás89
Oct 19th, 2008, 10:58 PM
Who was the best player in 2004? Kuznetsova?

gaviotabr
Oct 19th, 2008, 10:58 PM
I think Serena is Player of the year, but some people saying Ana had a mediocre year is just not right. She got injured and had a slump in form.. but she still had a pretty good year. Thinking only about recent achievements is not the way to judge a year.

Ana had semis in Sidney, Berlin, Zurich. Quarters in Dubai, Beijing. Final at AO. And two big titles, in Indian Wells (Big Tier I) and Roland Garros (Grand Slam). And took the number 1 ranking for 12 weeks.

It could be better.. sure! But unfortunately she got a pretty serious injury (joint cysts) that took forever to be diagnosed, which messed with her head and her game. But it is still a great year, with some remarkable achievements.

With a YEC title.. and maybe winning Linz next week, she would have 4 titles, as much as Serena, Jankovic and Safina. That would also give her a Slam, a slam final, the YEC and a big Tier I, which could make an argument for player of the year. I think her bad losses hurt her year, and she is not POTY (that's Serena). But it would definitely be a great year.

gaviotabr
Oct 19th, 2008, 11:00 PM
Who was the best player in 2004? Kuznetsova?

I think it was Sharapova.

Volcana
Oct 19th, 2008, 11:02 PM
Yet another pointless thread started by Volcana, in which he tells us that the rankings are a fair way how to determine seeding, but they don't order the players from best to worst. One could admire his dedication to this topic.Thank you. Although 'thanks' from someone who posts in threads they consider 'pointless' is minimal praise at best. Still, one must be gracious.

Tennisation
Oct 19th, 2008, 11:06 PM
If i had to choose id give it to Serena. She made the final of Wimbledon, won USO, won the biggest tier 1 hardcourt event, and won 1 of the two biggest clay court events, and a tier 2 in Bangalore. Its been her best year in a long while.
WHY VENUS WHY DID U LOSE 10 SET POINTS :( still hurts:lol:If Venus didn't decide to GIVE Serena the US Open tittle, no argument she'd be the best player this year with 2 slams regardless of YEC outcome.

Lunaris
Oct 19th, 2008, 11:07 PM
Thank you. Although 'thanks' from someone who posts in threads they consider 'pointless' is minimal praise at best. Still, one must be gracious.
I post in them to point out to you that they are pointless hoping that you will bring up something more interesting next time.

Tennisation
Oct 19th, 2008, 11:11 PM
Dinara is no way winning POY, she's getting the most improved player, so you can cross her name out whether she wins YEC or not. I'm not sure how you guys think that JJ winning YEC is going to make her POY considering Serena has a slam and she does not.

Cp6uja
Oct 19th, 2008, 11:18 PM
If IW is a supertier 1, Miami would be a slam, although they refer to miami as the 5th grand slam, and not IW.

* Us Open = Roland Garros
* Miami [$4,5] >>> IW [$2,5]
* Charleston T1
* Bangalore
* 43-7 [86%]

Ana can't even win a match right now, how the hell can she be called the 2008 best if she wins the YEC.Since Serena won US Open last month, nobody says that Ana have better year than Ree... but if Ivanovic wins YEC she will overtake Serena in last moment and finished season like Player of the Year. With eventual Ana YEC title 2008 comparation Serena/Ana will be:

Level 1 (GS Titles): 1-1

Level 2 (GS Finals, YEC, OG Gold): 1-2

Level 3A (tier-I two-weekers, OG Silver): 1-1
Level 3B (GS SF, tier-I, OG Bronze, YEC Final): 1-0

Level 4A: (tier-II): 1:0
Level 4B: (GS QF, YEC SF, tier-I final): 1-0

youizahoe
Oct 19th, 2008, 11:35 PM
Since Serena won US Open last month, nobody says that Ana have better year than Ree... but if Ivanovic wins YEC she will overtake Serena in last moment and finished season like Player of the Year. With eventual Ana YEC title 2008 comparation Serena/Ana will be:

Level 1 (GS Titles): 1-1

Level 2 (GS Finals, YEC, OG Gold): 1-2

Level 3A (tier-I two-weekers, OG Silver): 1-1
Level 3B (GS SF, tier-I, OG Bronze, YEC Final): 1-0

Level 4A: (tier-II): 1:0
Level 4B: (GS QF, YEC SF, tier-I final): 1-0

The actuall rank by the wta is;

01 Grand Slams
02 YEC
03 Miami
04 Indian Wells
05 T1
06 T2
07 T3
08 T4
09 T5

vwfan
Oct 20th, 2008, 12:21 AM
I'm sorry. I love Venus, but the fact that her name comes up in contention of POTY is quite laughable.
It was a terrible year for Venus until today. Mainly poor results outside Wimbledon, and not the best performances at slams either.
It really comes down for me personally, Safina, Jankovic or Serena for me.
PERFORMANCE AT SLAMS:

1. Serena--one win, one final, one QF, one third round
2. Ana--one win, one final, two early exits
3. Venus--one win, two QFs, and one third round
4. Jelena--one final, two SF, one 4th round
5. Elena--two SFs, one QF, one 4th round
6. Dinara--one final, one SF, two early exits
7. Kuzy--one SF, three early exits
8. Vera--no QFs at slams

Venus played to her seeding at all but one slam.

HRHoliviasmith
Oct 20th, 2008, 12:30 AM
I'm sorry. I love Venus, but the fact that her name comes up in contention of POTY is quite laughable.
It was a terrible year for Venus until today. Mainly poor results outside Wimbledon, and not the best performances at slams either.

It really comes down for me personally, Safina, Jankovic or Serena for me.

:worship: serena should be the frontrunner.

Matt01
Oct 20th, 2008, 12:38 AM
If IW is a supertier 1, Miami would be a slam, although they refer to miami as the 5th grand slam, and not IW.

* Us Open = Roland Garros
* Miami [$4,5] >>> IW [$2,5]
* Charleston T1
* Bangalore
* 43-7 [86%]

Ana can't even win a match right now, how the hell can she be called the 2008 best if she wins the YEC.


Have you watched tennis this week? That torunament in Zürich? :wavey:


PERFORMANCE AT SLAMS:

1. Serena--one win, one final, one QF, one third round
2. Ana--one win, one final, two early exits
3. Venus--one win, two QFs, and one third round
4. Jelena--one final, two SF, one 4th round
5. Elena--two SFs, one QF, one 4th round
6. Dinara--one final, one SF, two early exits
7. Kuzy--one SF, three early exits
8. Vera--no QFs at slams

Venus played to her seeding at all but one slam.


Comparing Serena and Ana, I'd say that the 3rd round at RG pretty much counts as an early exit for Serena as well.

Callum
Oct 20th, 2008, 01:12 AM
Have you watched tennis this week? That torunament in Zürich? :wavey:





Comparing Serena and Ana, I'd say that the 3rd round at RG pretty much counts as an early exit for Serena as well.

I *unwittingly* agree. If Ana's 3rd round Wimbly loss is an early exit, then so is Serena at French surely? And Zheng went on to semi's and pushed Serena, whereas Kata did nothing more at French.

freeandlonely
Oct 20th, 2008, 01:55 AM
Between Jelena and Serena.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Oct 20th, 2008, 02:08 AM
Whichever Grand Slam winner wins YEC, they become the POY, no matter what other results there are. If someone other than the Grand Slam winners take the title, then Serena is the player of the year.

I have to agree with this!

Brooklyn90
Oct 20th, 2008, 02:24 AM
Serena:
Us Open Champion
Wimbledon Finalist
2 Tier I's
1 Tier II

Junex
Oct 20th, 2008, 03:50 AM
Uhumm...most consistent if you'd like. Although that ZERO wimbledons surely is a shame.

If you say that a slam per year for the past 5 years is "just" consistency to you, then i give it to you...
I just wonder who else can brag the same achievement....?


at the end of the day its results that matter, and by that history would judge that Justine was the best player for the years 2003-2007!

Volcana
Oct 20th, 2008, 04:20 AM
I post in them to point out to you that they are pointless hoping that you will bring up something more interesting next time.And yet this the 10th, 20th, 90th, 900th 'pointless' thread. Give it up. Some people are just condemned to post pointless threads. I can't be saved.

Or just admit that you're in love with me.:hearts:

CJ07
Oct 20th, 2008, 05:13 AM
Serena is the player of the year. She won the US Open, Miami and was the runner up at Wimbledon. Jankovic didn't win anything that ultimately matters, neither did Safina and although Ivanovic and Venus both won slams, neither did much else outside of that. Although Ivanovic would have a slightly better argument in getting a final, particularly beating Venus there.

pov
Oct 20th, 2008, 05:24 AM
I'd agree there is no best player or even most dominant player this year. There have been different players prevailing at different times. If I had to pick , I'd pick Jankovic because she has held a consistent level.

SOA_MC
Oct 20th, 2008, 07:01 AM
Serena is the player of the year. She won the US Open, Miami and was the runner up at Wimbledon. Jankovic didn't win anything that ultimately matters, neither did Safina and although Ivanovic and Venus both won slams, neither did much else outside of that. Although Ivanovic would have a slightly better argument in getting a final, particularly beating Venus there.

A few Serena fans placing Miami on Serena's list of achievements but completely ignoring Indian Wells on Ivanovic's list of achievements:mad:

rada
Oct 20th, 2008, 07:36 AM
Jankovic ;)

bandabou
Oct 20th, 2008, 09:31 AM
If you say that a slam per year for the past 5 years is "just" consistency to you, then i give it to you...
I just wonder who else can brag the same achievement....?


at the end of the day its results that matter, and by that history would judge that Justine was the best player for the years 2003-2007!

Exactly...consistency is an achievement too.

CJ07
Oct 20th, 2008, 03:46 PM
Miami > IW

Too many player skip that tournament (including Justine)

HRHoliviasmith
Oct 20th, 2008, 05:42 PM
Jon Wertheim's take:

Now that Jelena Jankovic has won her fourth title of the year in Moscow (and third in as many weeks), what do you think it would take for her to win the WTA Player of the Year Award? It seems as if she's got the No. 1 spot sewn up for the year on the strength of a late fall surge, but I wonder what it would take for the WTA to give her the nod over Serena (whose four titles overall, including the U.S. Open, and Wimbledon final do seem more noteworthy).
-- Bryan Cameron, Philadelphia

• I may have to revisit this if J-squared turns in a dominating performance at the year-end championships. But I just can't support awarding the equivalent of an MVP award to a player who hasn't won a Grand Slam. Much as we all love the Kremlin Cup and the China Open and the other tour events, the four Slams are the tentpole events. They call 'em majors for a reason. I'm sticking with Serena.