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Beny
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:16 PM
Jankovicīs great commitment to the tour and her joy for tennis has been talked here lately..but what about Venus? I think her īignoringī the SEC and the lack of motivation for SEC may prove she doesnīt love tennis as much as Jelena for example. And her quotes that she would not play any additional tournament in order to get to the champs..I mean itīs every playerīs goal to get to the champs, even Serenaīs! I remember Hantuchovaīs goal at the beginning of one year was that she wanted to take part in SEC.
Itīs a great opportunity to play with the best players. Where else have you guaranteed 3 matches with 3 of 8 best players in the world? You can also win a lot of money, not that Venus needed that desperately, but also many ranking points.

I just donīt get how can someone be not interested in the champs. Anyone who loves tennis should also love the challenge SEC mean :shrug:

If you were pros, would you look forward to them?
I would

Uranium
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:18 PM
So a player who is injury prone(Venus), saying she won't play more tournaments risking injuries is bad. So you want her to get injured?
And please JJ comes up with a new injury every day, and still wins:o

Sally Struthers
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:18 PM
I think at this point Venus' motivation is only Wimbledon and maybe the US Open. Let's get real. The only things that count in history are the slams and if that's what she wants to center the rest of her career on, that's fine.

Beny
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:24 PM
I think at this point Venus' motivation is only Wimbledon and maybe the US Open. Let's get real. The only things that count in history are the slams and if that's what she wants to center the rest of her career on, that's fine.

So Venus is playing to be recognised in future as a multiple Wimby champion and so.. thatīs boring, doesnīt she enjoy playing the best players now? I mean she has to wait all year until Wimbledon, thatīs where she really cares and where sheīs confident, thatīs the surface she is best on..

Beny
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:26 PM
So a player who is injury prone(Venus), saying she won't play more tournaments risking injuries is bad. So you want her to get injured?
And please JJ comes up with a new injury every day, and still wins:o

Of course I donīt.

But she didnīt say that as a reason, that she doesnīt want to risk injuries, did she? If she did, then I appologize and completely understand that.

But it sounded as even if she was completely healthy and fit, she wouldnīt add any tournament just to get to the champs..

Dave.
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:28 PM
Who says she is ignoring the YEC? She just fought back from a set down in the Zurich semis still with a chance to qualify.

Geisha
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:31 PM
Of course I donīt.

But she didnīt say that as a reason, that she doesnīt want to risk injuries, did she? If she did, then I appologize and completely understand that.

But it sounded as even if she was completely healthy and fit, she wouldnīt add any tournament just to get to the champs..

I think Venus knows that the rankings are b.s. She's not going to add a million tournaments so she can play in the YEC. What I gathered from her comment was that she laughs at the Radwanska's and Zvonareva's of the Tour who are nowhere near top ten level, but are there because they play, play, play.

kwilliams
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:48 PM
There is nothing wrong with Venus' commitment. She enters as many tournaments as she knows/thinks she will be fit enough to play in. She has paid her dues to the tour and earned an esteemed position amongst her peers. Let's see how JJ does when she's Venus' age or after she wins 7 grand slams. Of course she plays more, a good ranking gives her good draws which benefits her prospects going into any tournament. She is a hungry player and she should be, she's 23 and has just made her first grand slam final. She knows a career in tennis can be bitter sweet and she plays as much as possible because she wants to achieve as much as she can when she knows she is fit and healthy. Who knows what her future will bring. She has to put absolutely everything she has into her present.

Venus can afford to be a bit more philosophical and complacent about it all. She has earned that because she has achieved so much and she is still out there competing even when her form/level is not so great she goes out there and competes because she truly enjoys it. Right now she plays a smart schedule that will ensure she can stay around for as long as possible. YEC 2008 may not be her main goal but staying around until 2012 and competing in the Olympics at Wimbledon and for Venus to have her eye on a tournament so far away, that she has said she will stick around until at least then, I think that's pretty damn admirable. Tennis fans might not be able to see her week in week out but at least we know it's unlikely that she will drop off the scene anytime soon, as many of her peers have.

Vlover
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:52 PM
But it sounded as even if she was completely healthy and fit, she wouldnīt add any tournament just to get to the champs..

As much as some people would like to refute this claim but Venus has legitimate health problems. She suffers from anemia and asthma issues. She avoids giving details or discussing it because she doesn't want the focus to be primarily on her health.

She tries her best to play a decent schedule as much as her body will allow. Her main focus at this point in her career is to add as many majors as possible and I'm fine with that even if it is only Wimbledon.

It is really amazing that so many posters think that being able to win Wimbledon is not such a big deal when most of your faves have not won it at all.:help:

As a die hard Venus fan,I personally prefer she doesn't play the YEC if that will jeopardize her health in anyway for the AO.

pov
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:53 PM
Venus Williams is usually free of any injuries.

pov
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:57 PM
It is really amazing that so many posters think that being able to win Wimbledon is not such a big deal when most of your faves have not won it at all.
wtf? What's amazing about that? So someone hasn't won Wimbledon - big deal. One could pick any of the majors and use the backward "logic" you used,

lolas
Oct 18th, 2008, 05:15 PM
Please. Venus now plays her third tournament in a row. And for Jankovic it's not only about the love for the game but also she's greedy for the money.

Tennisstar86
Oct 18th, 2008, 05:18 PM
players dont get excited about every tournament. Venus has only played the YEC 2 times... even though shes qualified like 6-7 times. this isnt new..... Goodness Jankovics commitment.

IF jankovic managed to win 7 slams (BIG IF) we'd see if she was sooo committed to playing all these tiny tournaments week in week out. and i can you she wouldnt....
Venus still plays them just not as often and Venus has been on tour since 1994 and MANY have come and gone since then so clearly shes one of the most committed...

serenus_2k8
Oct 18th, 2008, 05:23 PM
Venus has been commited to playing in some of the most exciting and high quality tennis matches of the last decade. Stop comparing her to some1 like Jankovic who has only been at the top for a fraction of the time Venus has.

I can guarantee JJ wont have the schedule she has now at Venus' age.

Dodoboy.
Oct 18th, 2008, 06:08 PM
Venus has been commited to playing in some of the most exciting and high quality tennis matches of the last decade. Stop comparing her to some1 like Jankovic who has only been at the top for a fraction of the time Venus has.

I can guarantee JJ wont have the schedule she has now at Venus' age.

Perfect reply ;)

weforvee
Oct 18th, 2008, 07:18 PM
Tennis has made Venus famous - yes she is famous. Tennis has made her rich - yes she is uber rich and you think she is playing for more fame and more wealth? Get serious, she is playing because she is committed but she doesn't need to play week after week at this stage in her career. She is the "fucking" Venus Williams and whenever she decides to bless us with an appearance on court, i'm happy.

vwfan
Oct 18th, 2008, 07:22 PM
Kim backboard Clisjters (much like Jelena backboard Jelena) played tournament after tournament and was considered really committed. where is she?

sorry Kim fans, but the thread starter is just illogical. tennis has done more for the WTA that jelena in her wildest dreams.

darrinbaker00
Oct 18th, 2008, 07:27 PM
As much as some people would like to refute this claim but Venus has legitimate health problems. She suffers from anemia and asthma issues. She avoids giving details or discussing it because she doesn't want the focus to be primarily on her health.

She tries her best to play a decent schedule as much as her body will allow. Her main focus at this point in her career is to add as many majors as possible and I'm fine with that even if it is only Wimbledon.

It is really amazing that so many posters think that being able to win Wimbledon is not such a big deal when most of your faves have not won it at all.:help:

As a die hard Venus fan,I personally prefer she doesn't play the YEC if that will jeopardize her health in anyway for the AO.
How would playing a tournament in November jeopardize her health for a tournament in January?

Black Mamba.
Oct 18th, 2008, 07:29 PM
If she wasn't committed to the game she would've left the game along time ago. How can you question a person's commitment to the game when no matter how tough things get, not matter how far her ranking slips, no matter the injuries, no matter the personal issues she continues to play?

RenaSlam.
Oct 18th, 2008, 07:30 PM
*Stupid Thread of the Year Nominee

Miss Amor
Oct 18th, 2008, 07:32 PM
I can guarantee JJ wont have the schedule she has now at Venus' age.

Please dont compare Jankovic who plays like a tournament hungry dog with queen Venus.

Infiniti2001
Oct 18th, 2008, 07:55 PM
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Destiny
Oct 18th, 2008, 08:23 PM
ugh ugh

get over yourself /:rolleyes:

How old is Venus she doesn't need to voice her love of the game anymore as she has been doing that all her career.

JJ CAREER JUST BASCIALLY BEGUN UGH

VeeReeDavJCap81
Oct 18th, 2008, 08:36 PM
It takes committment to achieve what Venus has in her career. That even goes back into childhood, you cannot simply step on a court as a child and magically become a GS champion, it takes years if sacrifice and dedication to get to that level.

Slutiana
Oct 18th, 2008, 08:37 PM
Lol, no.

AlmostCrimes
Oct 18th, 2008, 08:48 PM
Venus has now played 13 tournaments and if she plays the YEC she will be up to 14. To me that is fairly good for Venus, especially since the tournaments were spread out throughout the year.

People are acting as if Venus has already said she won't play the YEC. She only said she will not enter a fourth Fall tournament to try and qualify if she hasn't qualified after this tournament. Anyway, there is no point of her playing another tournament just to go to the YEC tired and to do poorly.

Jankovic plays a ton of tournaments and that is working for her right now. Venus has NEVER played tons of tournaments and I think it is obvious that has worked for her as she has been playing tennis for over a decade, making finals of grandslams from 1997-2008 (so far).

Mashafaaaaan
Oct 18th, 2008, 08:51 PM
Are we talking about the same girl, the girl who won 7 Slams.:worship:

~Eclipsed~
Oct 18th, 2008, 08:59 PM
There is nothing wrong with Venus' commitment. She enters as many tournaments as she knows/thinks she will be fit enough to play in. She has paid her dues to the tour and earned an esteemed position amongst her peers. Let's see how JJ does when she's Venus' age or after she wins 7 grand slams. Of course she plays more, a good ranking gives her good draws which benefits her prospects going into any tournament. She is a hungry player and she should be, she's 23 and has just made her first grand slam final. She knows a career in tennis can be bitter sweet and she plays as much as possible because she wants to achieve as much as she can when she knows she is fit and healthy. Who knows what her future will bring. She has to put absolutely everything she has into her present.

Venus can afford to be a bit more philosophical and complacent about it all. She has earned that because she has achieved so much and she is still out there competing even when her form/level is not so great she goes out there and competes because she truly enjoys it. Right now she plays a smart schedule that will ensure she can stay around for as long as possible. YEC 2008 may not be her main goal but staying around until 2012 and competing in the Olympics at Wimbledon and for Venus to have her eye on a tournament so far away, that she has said she will stick around until at least then, I think that's pretty damn admirable. Tennis fans might not be able to see her week in week out but at least we know it's unlikely that she will drop off the scene anytime soon, as many of her peers have.

:worship:

Beny
Oct 18th, 2008, 09:18 PM
Okay, maybe I put there too much sh.t talking around, my point was that I would always take the chance to play with best out of the best, a tournament with great prize money, ranking points but mainly to challenge yourself because there are no qualifiers, slumping top100 players, just 8 best people. To compar with them.. when you win SEC no one can say she won beating no one on her way to the title..or just one top10 player or so..

Beny
Oct 18th, 2008, 09:19 PM
And I don´t mean only this year but people here always claim Venus was never interested in playing the SEC..the past years...last time she played?I don´t remember

Uranium
Oct 18th, 2008, 09:39 PM
And I donīt mean only this year but people here always claim Venus was never interested in playing the SEC..the past years...last time she played?I donīt remember

She is interested, but there's always an injury at this time of the season.

new-york
Oct 18th, 2008, 10:03 PM
i don't think that how much a player loves tennis should be judged.
it's their own business.
as long as they are not forced to play i'm fine with the amount of pleasure they get from playing.

Jelena seems to be enjoying herself on court, playing a lot, lovin' it.
good for her, good for the tour.
it's nice.

Venus cares for the YEC, but it's obviously not a priority.
She has a plan that she feels is the best for her health, which is the priority, and for the respect of her commitment to the game, so if that can bring her to the Year End Championship, good, if not, well ok.

She is a veteran now and she has to be wiser and wiser on how she is managing her career.
Jelly is fresh and enjoying her first years as a top player.
to each her own formula.

she obviously loves the game.
she is still there at 28, winning Wimbledon and losing to Kvitova.
that's her job. that's her life.

she's definitely involved in the tour, on the court and outside of the court as it is recognized by some people.

Volcana
Oct 18th, 2008, 11:37 PM
Jankovicīs great commitment to the tour and her joy for tennis has been talked here lately..but what about Venus? I think her īignoringī the SEC and the lack of motivation for SEC may prove she doesnīt love tennis as much as Jelena for example.Does the fact that Venus is still playing while her peers Clijsters and Hingis and Henin have all retired prove thay she loves the game more than they did. That Venus was more committed to the game than them.

Or does it just prove that everybody's circumstances are different?
And her quotes that she would not play any additional tournament in order to get to the champs..I mean itīs every playerīs goal to get to the champs, even Serenaīs!Obviously not. Venus' goal was to win Wimbledon. And she's wound up one of the great champions in the history of that tournament.

debopero
Oct 18th, 2008, 11:42 PM
I think, at the end of the day, Venus and Serena are happy with themsleves and that is all that matters. I think it is very admiabe that they do want they feel is best for them regardless of what other people think. They are living their lives and that is somehtign that everyone can learn from.

starin
Oct 19th, 2008, 12:02 AM
umm..Venus is in a completely different phase of her career than Jankovic.

Sammm
Oct 19th, 2008, 12:09 AM
Is coming back after six months of tendinitis in both wrists and suffering really tough losses (eg, Dokic in Rome) not enough commitment to tennis? Is losing in four consecutive grand slams finals and still being able to rebound not proof of her respect for the game? And everything else she's achieved.

I am going to be honest, though. I'm disappointed by how few American hardcourt tournaments she's played in the run up to the US open in these past two years. This year - none; last year - just one. Obviously this year the Olympics, but she's thwarting herself by not using the momentum she's gained from Wimbledon to get wins and points and US.

I agree with the thread-starter that I hope she would want to test herself against the best players at the YEC this year with no injury scares because she plays well indoors I remember a really nice match between her and Monica in LA way back in 2002 :)

youizahoe
Oct 19th, 2008, 12:27 AM
This thread is of course, coming from a ED fan, you know, they both share the same character as ED, bad-mouthing.

youizahoe
Oct 19th, 2008, 12:30 AM
I don't see why Venus Williams wouldn't be interested in winning the YEC, claiming the title of being the best out of the top 8, and getting $1,5million for winning 5 matches?

You've got to be kidding me, seriously.

If nobody cared about the YEC, players wouldn't been trying it all, all year long, to get a spot to enter.

Black Mamba.
Oct 19th, 2008, 10:40 PM
http://ui08.gamespot.com/1735/failed_2.jpg

Tennisation
Oct 19th, 2008, 11:32 PM
Why is no one talking about Venus' committment to the game OFF the court? What about fighting for women's equal pay right? What about all the charities and events she's done to help promote tennis especially reaching out to younger generations?

NeeemZ
Oct 20th, 2008, 12:40 AM
Why is no one talking about Venus' committment to the game OFF the court? What about fighting for women's equal pay right? What about all the charities and events she's done to help promote tennis especially reaching out to younger generations?

To be honest, the commitment OFF the court is not the same as commitment ON court. Many players who retire still have commitment to off court activities.

Tennisation
Oct 20th, 2008, 12:53 AM
To be honest, the commitment OFF the court is not the same as commitment ON court. Many players who retire still have commitment to off court activities.of course they do, when you're retired, you have more time to dedicate to off court activities, but Venus is a busy woman, she's juggling both at the same time.