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Steffica Greles
Oct 12th, 2008, 02:34 PM
Serena: Depends on Venus' decisions, her results and her injuries. I would be surprised at this point if she does not play until she's 30 as there is every indication that Venus will, and it's not as if Serena's susceptibility to injury can get a whole lot worse. And Serena's never been the most motivated either, but she's still here.

Jankovic: The jury's still out on this one. On one hand, her running and loaded schedule might well burn her out both mentally and physically, but on the other hand her smooth technique, flexibility, light-footedness and general compact game might be her saving grace. I do tend to think that by the age of 26 (she's 23 now), Jankovic will be on the way out. I think we'll see in the first quarter of next year how this year has affected her. It's normal for players to be burnt out or beset by injuries after a stellar year prior.

Safina: Too early to say. She seems to be reaching her peak at the moment, and everything she always dreamt of beckons. Only a year ago, or 9 months ago even, those dreams seemed to be fading. So at this point in time the last thing she's thinking about is retirement. And she's only 22. Give it two years and see how she's faring. It's noticeable that Safina does have a tendency to throw the towel in and get despondent when things aren't going well. She nearly retired earlier this year. On the other hand, she's extremely strong and looks to have a resilient body.

Sharapova: I worry for this girl's future. She focuses too much on unremitting power, and her own game takes a bigger toll on her body than her opponents. For example, she overwhelmed Jankovic in Australia, but do you remember the story of the hare and the tortoise? I also thought that Sharapova's response to Henin's retirement spoke volumes. She suggested that at 26, with fewer slams than Henin, she would have done the same. Well, she'll be 22 next year, and her injury problems show no sign of abating. It seems she needs to play as she does to win slams, and then has to suffer for it. I think psychologically, Sharapova BADLY wants one more Wimbledon title. That is why she still practices. I don't think she's much bothered about Paris. But, you know, sometimes players can very suddenly let go of their dreams to enable themselves to move on and be happier, just as Henin let go of the dream of a Wimbledon title. Sharapova knows there are many avenues open to her when she hangs her racket.

Kuznetsova: At this point, I think it all depends on whether Sveta can cope much longer with going nowhere fast. Physically, I think she has more ability to keep going than any other player. She doesn't seem to get injured often, and is immensely compact. It's just Sveta might well get bored of walking this plateau.

Dementieva: She's 27 now, but I think she will play to the age of 30 barring injuries. That is, unless she wins that elusive slam next year, which could demotivate her as, in my opinion, it did Mauresmo. But she's super-fit and has the athleticism to not slow down into her early 30s. She's built very similar to Graf, who was still quicker than Venus at Wimbledon '99. I think she still has dreams and will keep going unless she cannot.

Venus: I think she'll keep going into her early 30s, barring injuries. She's said as much.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Oct 12th, 2008, 02:39 PM
Mauresmo - Soon

Legend1
Oct 12th, 2008, 03:44 PM
Mauresmo - Soon

:yawn:you really are a reetard aren't you!:lol:

KournikovaFan91
Oct 12th, 2008, 04:00 PM
Serena: She will go as long as Venus and probably just play occasionaly

Jankovic: A few years maybe 2 or if she wins a GS I doubt she will keep going.

Safina: About 5 years probably she is doing really well at the moment but you never know what will happen.

Sharapova: The Injury Train has stopped at Sharapova Station. Her power doesnt do that much anymore most players can handle it. She probably has maybe 3 years left before she gets bored and begins to fall down the rankings but i dont know if she will win another GS the she might have a few more years and i highly doubt she will ever win the French.

Kuznetsova: Dunno 2 or 3 years

Dementieva: I still think she will be around a good while like maybe even for 4 more years she never really has major injuries.

Venus: 5 years probably and then both her and Serena will retire together.

Momo: Next Year sometime

Ciarán
Oct 12th, 2008, 04:03 PM
Momo - I think she'll retire in January

Uranium
Oct 12th, 2008, 04:05 PM
Mauresmo-If the slump continues, 2 more years. If not, she may give the 2012 Olympics a shot.
Venus and Serena- 4+ years
Sharapova- I don't see her playing for much longer, maybe 3 years.

ivanban
Oct 12th, 2008, 04:26 PM
Jankovic: The jury's still out on this one. On one hand, her running and loaded schedule might well burn her out both mentally and physically, but on the other hand her smooth technique, flexibility, light-footedness and general compact game might be her saving grace. I do tend to think that by the age of 26 (she's 23 now), Jankovic will be on the way out. I think we'll see in the first quarter of next year how this year has affected her. It's normal for players to be burnt out or beset by injuries after a stellar year prior.

Like we saw this year, right?!

Linnie
Oct 12th, 2008, 04:35 PM
If Amélie didn't give a shit and wanted to retire, she wouldn't be looking for a new coach ;)

Thing is, we don't know about any of these players. Only they'll know when it's time to go.

Destiny
Oct 12th, 2008, 04:40 PM
not in the next two years none of them

Grapevine
Oct 12th, 2008, 04:40 PM
If Amélie didn't give a shit and wanted to retire, she wouldn't be looking for a new coach ;)

Thing is, we don't know about any of these players. Only they'll know when it's time to go.

Doesn't mean she will ever do anything significant. :tape: Losing to Cibulkova over and over.

duhcity
Oct 12th, 2008, 04:48 PM
If Amélie didn't give a shit and wanted to retire, she wouldn't be looking for a new coach ;)

Thing is, we don't know about any of these players. Only they'll know when it's time to go.

I think Mauresmo wants a new coach to see if she can still do anything. If she doesn't/can't come out of her slump, I see her retiring after a Wimbledon in 2009 or 2010.

Serena/Venus really depends on VEnus for me. Although Serena always seems to have the more dominating personality, she follows her sister a lot. I can see Venus/Serena retiring around 2012. There will be a grass-court olympics, 10 years since Serena's great year etc.

Jankovic/Sharapova are both going to retire around the same time. Jankovic isn't exactly young. I can see her winning a few (by a few I mean like 3, maybe 4). Plus Jankovic isn't showing signs of slowing down, and a long rest won't exactly hinder her further. Plus Jankovic needs match play to get her going. As for Sharapova, her game is extremely taxing on her body. She truly embodies the wta at this time, spurts of brilliance. Probably another 4years until she ends her career. I can see her going into tennis broadcasting. She's extremely likeable, and the current ones aren't exactly getting younger. Also, Sharapova has some extreme pride. She'll retire once she knows she can't compete anymore. She won't like falling down the rankings and having to qualify.

Steffica Greles
Oct 12th, 2008, 05:33 PM
Like we saw this year, right?!

True. Although Jelena herself said she struggled with injuries earlier in the year. Her turnaround has marked her out from just being a 'one year wonder' to being an established top four player. All due credit to her.

But her body won't let her do this forever.

Iluzionista
Oct 12th, 2008, 05:46 PM
It's not really grateful because life is very tricky. Everything can happen.

I don't think Jelena will 'burn out'. She already cut her schedule and I think she'll cut it even more next year to keep her strength for the end of the year when she'll have a lot of points to defend. She won't be defending any points until Australian Open, so if she collects some extra points out there she'll probably cut her schedule even more. My personal pick for next year is Roland Garros. I think she's the favorite on that grand slam if she keeps this form. After that she defends no points until Wimbledon (4th round-140 points). She could make some mess out there too.. Who knows? If someone told me 4 weeks ago that she can win 2 tournaments in 2 weeks I'd just laugh at him. Now she won 3 in 3. She improves every week, getting her serve more precise and being more aggressive. Forehand is getting better and better as well. I think she'll be a major factor in following 3 years. But, you know, nothing's for sure.

Sharapova - to be honest I'm starting to think that she could even retire next year. Everything looks like that to me. But who knows, she might come back greater than ever..

WS - I think Venus will play next season or two. She started to lose matches from some mediocre players and I think this started to affect her so much. Serena.. Well, I mean, Serena is so unpredictable, who knows for how long is she going to play...

ivanban
Oct 12th, 2008, 06:46 PM
True. Although Jelena herself said she struggled with injuries earlier in the year. Her turnaround has marked her out from just being a 'one year wonder' to being an established top four player. All due credit to her.

But her body won't let her do this forever.

Yeah, but she'll prolly cut down her schedule for next year even more, so....

Willam
Oct 12th, 2008, 07:00 PM
I hope patty dosn't retire soon. I love that bitch :)

kinseh
Oct 12th, 2008, 07:11 PM
Good thread. :)

I believe Serena will stick around for quite some time. She isn't done yet, she can achieve more. It all depends on Venus, injuries, results etc., though.

I really don't know about Venus. I can see her sticking around until the 2012 Olympics, but she has already started losing to players she shouldn't lose to, so I don't know for how long she can keep going.

I believe Maria will retire early. Maybe in a couple of years. I'm sure she wants to achieve more before she retires, though. When the "tennis door" closes for her, many new doors will open.

Jelena... Hm, that's a tough one. I have no clue. :confused: I can see her sticking around for a long time, but if she keeps playing as much as she does now, she is going to burn out. Injuries could end her career. I've learned my lesson as a Kim Clijsters fan, and I don't want it to happen to Jelena too. :sad: Also, I keep forgetting that she is 23! :lol:

saint2
Oct 12th, 2008, 08:39 PM
I hope patty dosn't retire soon. I love that bitch :)


Michelle Larcher De Brito will retire in 2020. Laura Robson in 2024. Then Patty will still be on tour...

Steffica Greles
Oct 12th, 2008, 10:20 PM
Yeah, but she'll prolly cut down her schedule for next year even more, so....

Jelena won't cut down her schedule that much; she loves playing too much. She's still played, what? 25 tournaments this year? That's too many. Last year it was only a few more. The only reason she has played fewer this year is because of her injuries.

I actually think these days that players just try to ride a wave, knowing their bodies won't last forever. They can cut down their schedules and see their rankings drop, but then they'll be facing number one seeds in grandslam quarter-finals and tier 2 semis. And there's still no guarantee they won't get injured. There's the mentality that they need to get it all over with so that they can retire at 25 with all their riches.

Steffica Greles
Oct 12th, 2008, 10:23 PM
Good thread. :)
I really don't know about Venus. I can see her sticking around until the 2012 Olympics, but she has already started losing to players she shouldn't lose to, so I don't know for how long she can keep going.


Even more so than Serena, Venus has been losing to nobodies and middle-ranked players for the last five years or so. It doesn't seem to bother her, because she still peaks once or twice a year.

So that's why I think if the losses continue, so might Venus.

Bosco123
Oct 12th, 2008, 10:49 PM
Hi Steffica, your thread doesn't take into account that the new road map can actulallyl redeuce the amount of injuries that the top players have.

Cakeisgood
Oct 12th, 2008, 11:00 PM
I truly worry for Maria. That shoulder isn't going to go away. She has to get rid of her loooooooong service motion and use the reverse forehand less often. I agree that once-I say "once" not "if" because I believe she will-she wins Wimbledon one more time, she will have accomplished what she set out to accomplish. In my opinion, RG is, while still lingering in her mind, not a main priority. I'm sure she'd rather have another USO or even one more Aussie.

I'll give Sharapova till she reaches 27. If she wins another 2 or 3 slams prior to that, maybe even earlier.

Nemo_Kool
Oct 12th, 2008, 11:10 PM
this thread is so depressing....i really don't know why people are counting the years kuznetsova, safina and jankovic have left, they are 23 and under!

miffedmax
Oct 13th, 2008, 01:02 AM
Her Sublime Perfectionhood recently said she plans on playing the 2012 Olympics where she will doubtless defend her title.

I think Sharapova will develop a massive slice service from the two o'clock position to compensate for her shoulder.

CJ07
Oct 13th, 2008, 02:57 AM
Even more so than Serena, Venus has been losing to nobodies and middle-ranked players for the last five years or so. It doesn't seem to bother her, because she still peaks once or twice a year.

So that's why I think if the losses continue, so might Venus.

Venus hasn't really been "Venus" outside of Wimbledon since 2004 - and even then her clay court season run wasn't over great opposition.

Obviously, winning Wimbledon 3/4 last years more than makes up for that. However, if she starts to falter there, I'm not sure how long she'll keep playing.

Despite her glitches, it still really surprises me how little she has accomplished off of grass.

OsloErik
Oct 13th, 2008, 03:16 AM
Jankovic: A few years maybe 2 or if she wins a GS I doubt she will keep going.

Kuznetsova: Dunno 2 or 3 years

Venus: 5 years probably and then both her and Serena will retire together.

So you seriously think two very fit, athletic 23 year olds will retire before a 28 year will? That's an odd thought.

Renalicious
Oct 13th, 2008, 03:49 AM
Serena has always been kind of a part-time player...I think she's still got many years ahead of her.

drake3781
Oct 13th, 2008, 04:38 AM
A comment on Jelena: of all the players listed, she is the light-hearted one, and in any discussion about longevity, we have to consider that aspect. The ability to laugh things off, not take life too seriously, and truly enjoy what you are doing is an important quality.

Cakeisgood
Oct 13th, 2008, 04:53 AM
Her Sublime Perfectionhood recently said she plans on playing the 2012 Olympics where she will doubtless defend her title.

I think Sharapova will develop a massive slice service from the two o'clock position to compensate for her shoulder.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Let's pray.

Temporary0369
Oct 13th, 2008, 05:55 AM
Jelena won't cut down her schedule that much; she loves playing too much. She's still played, what? 25 tournaments this year? That's too many. Last year it was only a few more. The only reason she has played fewer this year is because of her injuries.

She's actually only played 20 tournaments this year. She is only signed up for 2 others. 22 tournaments a year perhaps isn't the ideal number when you're consistently going deep but it's also not an absurd amount. Dementieva, Schnyder, Sugiyama, et al. have all played a lot of tournaments every season throughout their career. They've also been at the top for a long time.

Every player is different though. Henin played a very limited schedule and walked away early in her career; Clijsters played a lot and also retired prematurely. Venus plays a limited schedule and she's still around; Schnyder plays a lot and is also, still around.

Jelena enjoys playing and doesn't just do it because it's her job, I think that plays a big factor in who stays on tour as well. No one can predict the future though, and conjecture is in vain. Maybe Sharapova is going to be playing until she's in her 40s ala Navritolva and Larcher de Brito is going to retire tomorrow citing burnout.

Sharakim
Oct 15th, 2008, 09:29 AM
Maria Sharapova will play until 2012 at the very least. I am sure of it. More than once, she has spoken of wanting to compete at the olyimpics. It seems to be one of her biggest dreams in tennis and I'm certain she will motivate herself to play at the summer games at least once in her career. Adding to the fire is the fact that the 2012 games are held at Wimbledon, her favorite place in tennis.

2012 gives her another four years, by then she'll be 24-25 and her injuries will have - more than likely - pushed her past her prime. I agree with those who say that Maria wants another wimbledon badly, and that she doesn't care as much about the french as the other slams. Prehaps it's because the matches are on clay her worst surface, but I never got the feeling that Maria really believes that she can win Roland Garros. Oh, she'll fight hard but I'm not sure I see that belief in her eyes. While I think she would love to win in Paris, I think her remaining goals are 1-2 more wimbledon, 1-2 more us and/or aussie.

The way I see her career ending? Retirement at the end of 2012 or 2013 with 5-7 slam titles and an olyimpic gold medal from the 2012 summer games. No French Open title, but at least one more semi-final appearance. I imagine her finishing her career like Andre Agassi, with a farewell tour at her favorite tournament in the world: Wimbledon

youizahoe
Oct 15th, 2008, 09:42 AM
* Serena Williams : plays till 2014
* Venus Williams : plays till 2012
* Jelena Jankovic : Burned out by 2012
* Ana Ivanovic : Depens on her ability to win again
* Svetlana Kuznetosva : I guess 2011
* Maria Sharapova : I guess 2012

youizahoe
Oct 15th, 2008, 09:43 AM
So you seriously think two very fit, athletic 23 year olds will retire before a 28 year will? That's an odd thought.

She has many injuries, her body can't take 10 more extra years.

Donatello
Oct 15th, 2008, 10:45 AM
I think Mauresmo wants a new coach to see if she can still do anything. If she doesn't/can't come out of her slump, I see her retiring after a Wimbledon in 2009 or 2010.

Serena/Venus really depends on VEnus for me. Although Serena always seems to have the more dominating personality, she follows her sister a lot. I can see Venus/Serena retiring around 2012. There will be a grass-court olympics, 10 years since Serena's great year etc.

Jankovic/Sharapova are both going to retire around the same time. Jankovic isn't exactly young. I can see her winning a few (by a few I mean like 3, maybe 4). Plus Jankovic isn't showing signs of slowing down, and a long rest won't exactly hinder her further. Plus Jankovic needs match play to get her going. As for Sharapova, her game is extremely taxing on her body. She truly embodies the wta at this time, spurts of brilliance. Probably another 4years until she ends her career. I can see her going into tennis broadcasting. She's extremely likeable, and the current ones aren't exactly getting younger. Also, Sharapova has some extreme pride. She'll retire once she knows she can't compete anymore. She won't like falling down the rankings and having to qualify.

This won't happen to players of Pova's caliber