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DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 1st, 2008, 03:06 PM
Now let's be positive about the next 3 tournaments which are indoor.
I'm going to Zurich but I don't mind at all if she wins Moscow

AJDE ANA!!!!

:bounce::bounce:

SOA_MC
Oct 1st, 2008, 03:24 PM
Can't wait for Moscow Ajde Ana:rocker2:

SOA_MC
Oct 1st, 2008, 03:46 PM
The decision not to play Stuttgart is looking like a good one everyone who played beijing are dropping like flies

kim86
Oct 1st, 2008, 04:10 PM
The decision not to play Stuttgart is looking like a good one everyone who played beijing are dropping like flies

Yes, if she would have played more than 3 matches :lol:

gaviotabr
Oct 1st, 2008, 04:36 PM
C'mon Ana! I'm sending all my good energies to you!!

The Daviator
Oct 1st, 2008, 11:57 PM
Good luck Ana, win everything :kiss:

Marilyn Monheaux
Oct 2nd, 2008, 05:39 PM
Good Luck Ana! Play some great tennis again!!! I now you can do it!!:fiery:

kim86
Oct 2nd, 2008, 08:39 PM
I've found this news on an italian tennis site. It's in italian...

http://www.tennis.it/htm/articolo.asp?id_article=2537

For people doesn't understand italian, here a summary:
This morning she decleared to a serbian newspaper that she hasn't any extra tennis worry. But she suffers a persistent pain in an arm. She will be back on court only once the pain will be off, so her season could be even over if the pain won't pass.

I searched this news on the net, but i didn't found anything except that one, i will wait for more info...:confused:

gaviotabr
Oct 2nd, 2008, 08:55 PM
I've found this news on an italian tennis site. It's in italian...

http://www.tennis.it/htm/articolo.asp?id_article=2537

For people doesn't understand italian, here a summary:
This morning she decleared to a serbian newspaper that she hasn't any extra tennis worry. But she suffers a persistent pain in an arm. She will be back on court only once the pain will be off, so her season could be even over if the pain won't pass.

I searched this news on the net, but i didn't found anything except that one, i will wait for more info...:confused:


This is the original article, from a serbian newspaper:

http://www.mtsmondo.com/sport/vesti/text.php?vest=111180

If google translator helped me in the right way.. :lol: What Ana says is that she had a persistent arm injury, that at first she didn't care about, but later on turned into agony and forced her to be out for a month. And that now she wants to recover her form. It doesn't say that she still has pain, rather that she had, in the past.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 2nd, 2008, 10:21 PM
Yes, it would be weird if she had pain now. She committed to Moscow not long ago. You wouldn't do that if you're a bit injured.
No more injuries or bad play please.

jonnyroyale_13
Oct 2nd, 2008, 11:13 PM
She raised the bar of expectation so high last year, and now its so low she could trip over it. But i cant help but expect a rebound at any moment, as most of you do too. I truly believe there are highlights to the year left in the script, and Moscow is just as good as anyplace for it. Cant wait, take care of business now!!

Balltossovic
Oct 3rd, 2008, 12:50 AM
God I just want het to win a match the way she did at the begining of the year. I want her to win convincingly I want her forehand back. Doesn't really matter if she wins the tourney to me. I just want to see her play well again. (I wouldn't be mad if she won the YEC's though! :lol:)

azdaja
Oct 3rd, 2008, 04:19 PM
we should start these threads as soon as possible. especially after tough losses. in order to avoid :help: discussions like after beijing.

Dexter
Oct 3rd, 2008, 05:40 PM
I wouldn't mind if she already called it a year. What's the point...
But good luck anyway, win some matches Ana!

gaviotabr
Oct 3rd, 2008, 05:44 PM
Serena withdrew from Moscow, so Ana will be number 4 seed. I was kind of hoping she wouldn't have a first round bye, so she could get more rythm.. but, all the luck Ana! Focus and enjoy your tennis!

SOA_MC
Oct 3rd, 2008, 05:46 PM
I wouldn't mind if she already called it a year. What's the point...
But good luck anyway, win some matches Ana!

A top 4 seed for the Australian Open where she will be defending finalist points

jonnyroyale_13
Oct 3rd, 2008, 11:44 PM
Whats the point? You gotta be kidding. At the most basic of reasons, this is her job, its what she does. If she called the year quits there is no reason to respect that.

Dexter
Oct 4th, 2008, 09:57 AM
I'm sorry, maybe I'm a big too negative, but I thought a long break could help Ana resettle and set new goals. She could come back hungry for win more in 2009.

Anyway this is her quarter in Moscow:
Vera Zvonareva (7) - Maria Kirilenko
Qualifier - Daniela Hantuchova
Dominica Cibulkova - Marion Bartoli
BYE - Ana Ivanović (4)

I'll be happy if she gets to the QFs, she doesn't have much chance against Bepa if she plays the way she does in the last tournaments. Marion & Domi aren't a pushovers either, Ana must play well to beat them.

gaviotabr
Oct 4th, 2008, 10:34 AM
The whole draw:

Jankovic(1)-BYE
Dushevina-Vaidisova
Makarova-Vesnina
V.Williams(6)-Pennetta

Dementieva(3)-BYE
A.Bondarenko-Qualifer
Petrova-Qualifer
Chakvetadze(8)-Wozniacki

Zvonareva(7)-Kirilenko
Hantuchova-Qualifer
Cibulkova-Bartoli
Ivanovic(4)-BYE

Kuznetsova(5)-Na Li
Azarenka-Qualifer
Mauresmo-Cornet
Safina(2)-BYE

There is no easy match right now.. and the draw looks difficult... but could be worse. I'm just going to try to be positive here and send Ana all the good energies. Good luck Ana!

babuska6
Oct 4th, 2008, 10:55 AM
Oh Ana's draw is not the best..Look on the second round - I suppose that Marion will be her opponent and she is playing very well on hardcourt indoors..But I say It all depends on Ana if she will be mentally and physically ok or not...She cannot make as many UE as she made in Asia..She needs to find her rhytm again I hope that she will do it in Moscow..GL,Ana!

SOA_MC
Oct 4th, 2008, 11:23 AM
If Ana can just get through the first 2 matches she can go deep she's beaten everybody in her half before

jelenacg
Oct 4th, 2008, 11:28 AM
It`s not easy but not that bad she could have Na Li in first round like Sveta:help:
Since she has a bye she will probably play on Wednesday or Thursday
I`m also staying positive and hope for some good results:)

gaviotabr
Oct 4th, 2008, 11:28 AM
If Ana can just get through the first 2 matches she can go deep she's beaten everybody in her half before

I agree with you! I also think that the first two matches are crucial...

Dinayer
Oct 4th, 2008, 05:34 PM
Good luck Ana :hug:

win some matches :)

Dodoboy.
Oct 4th, 2008, 08:43 PM
Good luck Ana!

I am ready to see you play well again so i am sure you will!:lol:

Marilyn Monheaux
Oct 4th, 2008, 09:11 PM
I wish I could believe in her! I'm really trying and telling myself that she can beat everybody in this draw when she's on top of her game!!!! Somehow it's hard though...
I won't ever stop believing in her but it's not easy when she doesn't seem do believe herself:sad:

Anyway, GOOD LUCK ANA! Go to Moscow and win this:fiery:

Nikkiri
Oct 4th, 2008, 09:15 PM
Yeah, good luck Ana. :D

This bad period can't last much longer can it? :sobbing:

doni1212
Oct 5th, 2008, 02:32 AM
Come on Ana!! You can do it this time! :banana:

gaviotabr
Oct 5th, 2008, 12:10 PM
So.. Ana has entered the doubles competition as well. I'm not quite sure how I feel about this.. what do you guys think?

Doubles draw:

(1) Black Cara
Huber Liezel ZIM USA

LD Amanmuradova Akgul
Kustova Darya UZB BLR

WC Ivanovic Ana
Schiavone Francesca SRB ITA

Llagostera Vives Nuria
Vesnina Elena ESP RUS

(3) Bondarenko Alona
Bondarenko Kateryna UKR UKR

Kirilenko Maria
Pennetta Flavia RUS ITA

Makarova Ekaterina
Voskoboeva Galina RUS RUS

Koryttseva Mariya
Poutchek Tatiana UKR BLR

Hrdinova Eva
Uhlirova Vladimira CZE CZE

Dushevina Vera
Kudryavtseva Alla RUS RUS

Dzehalevich Ekaterina
Savchuk Olga BLR UKR

(4) Petrova Nadia RUS
Srebotnik Katarina SLO

Niculescu Monica
Shvedova Yaroslava ROM KAZ

WC Chakvetadze Anna
Cibulkova Dominika RUS SVK

Jans Klaudia
Rosolska Alicja POL POL

(2) Peschke Kveta
Stubbs Rennae CZE AUS

Anyway.. she will only play maximum a couple of matches.. as I don't think Ana and Schiavonne could beat Black/Huber. But.. is this a sign that she doesn't think she can do well in singles, and is trying only to get more match play.. or she wants to play doubles so she can get more rythm for singles?

Nikkiri
Oct 5th, 2008, 12:17 PM
Doubles :eek: I think it will be good for her. But bring back team suck :sobbing:

jelenacg
Oct 5th, 2008, 12:18 PM
She just wants to play more matches,i think that can be a good idea
But they will probably loose in first round

Dexter
Oct 5th, 2008, 12:30 PM
Why not after all. But why with Fran of all people? :lol: (not that I mind her)

SOA_MC
Oct 5th, 2008, 12:36 PM
Probably to relax her for Ana doubles are just fun. She must be getting down on her self recently so this is a good change up

Good decision in my mind

Marilyn Monheaux
Oct 5th, 2008, 12:57 PM
I'm happy she decided to play doubles. It will give her some match practice and help her get her "touch" back:)

kim86
Oct 5th, 2008, 01:12 PM
I think that playing the doubles is a good choice. I'm happy about that, and her partner is an italian so i'm double happy :D

jonnyroyale_13
Oct 5th, 2008, 01:49 PM
Doubles:eek: i hope Schiavone knows what she's doing. That 22 ranking could take a hit.:tape:

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 5th, 2008, 03:16 PM
Flavia seems to play mostly with Maria if they have the chance.
So I guess there's not much chance of a return of 'suck' team.

Still it's a sign that Ana isn't completely sure about herself. Indoor is of course something she hasn't played on all year, but she wouldn't play doubles if she didn't have such a bad period.
I don't care a thing about doubles, but if she can play with Maria once in a while I won't mind it.

The draw looks ok. Finally Cibulkova or she faces Bartoli. I have no clue what to expect here. Just hope for the best.
If she faces Maria in singles, my week would be a great success already.

AJDE ANA!!!!

gaviotabr
Oct 5th, 2008, 04:21 PM
After thinking a little bit, I see two sides of this:

1 - Doubles can actually help her. Can help her get more rythm, get used to the conditions, get more relaxed, have fun and be more match though.

2 - But, it may also mean that she still doesn't really believe she can go deep or even win this tournament. I think one of the main reasons Ana is losing though matches these days is because of lack of belief. She does not think she can win a tournament.. so at any difficult stage in a hard fought match she tends to get too down on herself, and any belief that she might have build within the match just disappears. I think one of the first things she has to work on to get back on track is that belief.. she needs to believe that she can win, to actually do it.

gaviotabr
Oct 5th, 2008, 04:39 PM
By the way, it seems that Ana was training once again in Amsterdam with Sven before going to Moscow. :)

http://blog.sport.be/thegraveyard/2008/10/cijfertjes.html

kim86
Oct 5th, 2008, 05:23 PM
By the way, it seems that Ana was training once again in Amsterdam with Sven before going to Moscow. :)

http://blog.sport.be/thegraveyard/2008/10/cijfertjes.html

Thanks Gaviotabr, Is there something in english about that?

gaviotabr
Oct 5th, 2008, 05:57 PM
Thanks Gaviotabr, Is there something in english about that?

That link was all I could find. I used google translator to try to understand something.. but maybe someone who knows dutch can help us out.

gaviotabr
Oct 5th, 2008, 06:06 PM
Ana's doubles match will be tomorrow, not before 4 pm local time, on court 1.

jelenacg
Oct 5th, 2008, 06:30 PM
I just read that Sven is also in Moscow with Ana,that is a good sign :)
One member of Ana`s forum saw him and took a picture with Ana
I don`t think there will be coverage of doubles

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 5th, 2008, 08:19 PM
That link was all I could find. I used google translator to try to understand something.. but maybe someone who knows dutch can help us out.

Someone said dutch?

It says actually nothing. Ana, Fernando and Nole trained with Sven.
And Nole will leave Adidas.
Hewitt has the best deal with a clothing sponsor.

Ana Ivanovic stelde vorige week ook al haar nieuw (Yonex-)racket voor in Tokio.

Last week Tokyo should be 2 weeks ago.
The source is the Belgium tennisplayer who reached once a SF at RG?!

gaviotabr
Oct 5th, 2008, 08:24 PM
Someone said dutch?

It says actually nothing. Ana, Fernando and Nole trained with Sven.
And Nole will leave Adidas.
Hewitt has the best deal with a clothing sponsor.



Last week Tokyo should be 2 weeks ago.
The source is the Belgium tennisplayer who reached once a SF at RG?!


Thanks! Doesn't it say that Djokovic will leave Wilson for Head? I understood that from the google translation..

What is that with Ana and Yonex? Is it that she started using the new racquet in Tokyo?

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 5th, 2008, 08:33 PM
Thanks! Doesn't it say that Djokovic will leave Wilson for Head? I understood that from the google translation..

What is that with Ana and Yonex? Is it that she started using the new racquet in Tokyo?

Wilson of course.

And yes, Ana's new racket in Tokyo.

SOA_MC
Oct 6th, 2008, 02:45 PM
Does anyone why Ana's doubles match hasn't started yet it's 6:45 in Moscow?:confused:

jelenacg
Oct 6th, 2008, 02:46 PM
Ana/Fran def. Nuria/LenaV 7-6(2) 6-7(6) 10-5 just finished
First serve in 78% and wining 70% i hope that`s a good sign

SOA_MC
Oct 6th, 2008, 02:52 PM
Ana/Fran def. Nuria/LenaV 7-6(2) 6-7(6) 10-5 just finished

Thanks:) it didn't come up on my scoreboard for some reason I was a little worried for a moment:o

Ana won a doubles match:lol: and against a two pretty decent double players:eek:

jelenacg
Oct 6th, 2008, 03:01 PM
So this year she played 2 doubles matches and won both:):),anyway they had 3 match points in second set on Fran's serve but...

Rod the Bama
Oct 6th, 2008, 04:55 PM
Very good win for Ana earlier today. :clap2: It`s nice to see her get a rare doubles win. This is a nice start for her in Moscow. Hopefully this will give her confidence for singles.

gaviotabr
Oct 6th, 2008, 05:08 PM
I'm happy to see that Ana won her doubles match! Hopefully that will give her some confidence for the singles match. Bartoli and Cibulkova are playing right now, and surprisingly, at least for me, Cibulkova is winning fairly easy the first set. I don't know who I would rather see Ana face in the second round. Bartoli can hit flat and hard, which bothers Ana, but she is also more prone to unforced errors. Cibulkova is like a little bunny, she runs down lots of balls, doesn't make many unforced errors, but also does not have much power nor a reliable serve.

In doubles, as expected, Black/Huber won their match and will face Ana/Schiavone in the quarter finals. Does anyone know when will that be?

kim86
Oct 6th, 2008, 05:22 PM
Bartoli isn't going through a very good period, i would prefer her to meet Ana in the 2nd round. Cibulkova is too solid, plays long rallies, it's bad for Ana. Besides the surface is very fast, which is not the most suitable for Ana.

gaviotabr
Oct 6th, 2008, 05:30 PM
Bartoli isn't going through a very good period, i would prefer her to meet Ana in the 2nd round. Cibulkova is too solid, plays long rallies, it's bad for Ana. Besides the surface is very fast, which is not the most suitable for Ana.

Aiss.. Right now it seems more likely to be Cibulkova. She is ahead 6-1, 2-1.

No matches for Ana tomorrow. I guess the doubles will be on wednesday and singles on thursday.

SOA_MC
Oct 6th, 2008, 05:36 PM
Bartoli isn't going through a very good period, i would prefer her to meet Ana in the 2nd round. Cibulkova is too solid, plays long rallies, it's bad for Ana. Besides the surface is very fast, which is not the most suitable for Ana.

If she was playing against another hard hitter. Cibulkova is not that, in my view the surface would favour Ana

gaviotabr
Oct 6th, 2008, 05:45 PM
So, Ana vs Cibulkova in the second round. Bartoli just retired while trailing 6-1 4-1.

MagicMilan
Oct 6th, 2008, 05:45 PM
She needs some wins big time, her confidence seems quite low ATM. It's great she teamed up win Francesca, every win in doubles is only going to help her :yeah:
Congrats on the win :D

gaviotabr
Oct 6th, 2008, 05:48 PM
She needs some wins big time, her confidence seems quite low ATM. It's great she teamed up win Francesca, every win in doubles is only going to help her :yeah:
Congrats on the win :D

Thanks!!

Yeah.. she needs some wins, to up her belief in herself. I hope that the doubles can give her some confidence and rhythm.

Dexter
Oct 6th, 2008, 06:17 PM
Wow, what a nice to surprise! This is a really good win (any win in doubles is a nice one) especially a hard-fought one against a decent doubles players. I'd love to read some match reports.

Balltossovic
Oct 6th, 2008, 09:58 PM
Yay. I'm happy she won. Now I just hope she steam rolls right over Domi (no matter how cute she is)

The Daviator
Oct 6th, 2008, 11:10 PM
Cibulkova is a JJ-type player which suits Ana, and this court will help her, so she should win, time to be confident and predict a strong win, ajde!

Glad she won in doubles, but I don't like Fran :o

gaviotabr
Oct 7th, 2008, 03:14 PM
The order of play for tomorrow is out, and Ana will play singles and doubles.

Wednesday, October 08, 2008

Central court

Not before 15:00 Women, Singles, Main Draw
Cibulkova Dominika (SVK)
4 Ivanovic Ana (SRB)


Court 2

Last Match Women, Doubles, Quarterfinal
1 Black Cara
Huber Liezel (ZIM)
(USA)
Ivanovic Ana
Schiavone Francesca (SRB)
(ITA)

gaviotabr
Oct 7th, 2008, 03:15 PM
Good Luck tomorrow Ana! All the good energies to you!

SOA_MC
Oct 7th, 2008, 03:29 PM
Yay!! Go Ana good luck:cool:

MagicMilan
Oct 7th, 2008, 04:20 PM
Ajde :D

Marilyn Monheaux
Oct 7th, 2008, 04:29 PM
Good luck Ana!:)

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 7th, 2008, 05:19 PM
I prefer a win and a loss tomorrow.
Let's start with a win.

AJDE ANA!!!!

Balltossovic
Oct 7th, 2008, 09:55 PM
Ajde!!

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 8th, 2008, 03:35 PM
What the hell is this????
Now even losing after having MP's.
The net helped her in the TB but still not enough.
That last shot shows were Ana is. You couldn't get an easier ball.

12 aces, 44 winners, 53 UE's.
Sure you can say Cibulkova is a good player, but excuses aren't possible anymore.

282 points after RG. She even lost more matches than she won after her grandslam title.
I'm gonna die in Zurich.

dybbuk
Oct 8th, 2008, 03:41 PM
I really do think taking the rest of the year off would be a good idea. I know she is a professional, and it's her "job", but she's an entertainer, and why go through this when she's clearly not even close to her best? It's starting to get pointless.

jelenacg
Oct 8th, 2008, 03:45 PM
You are totally right ,i`m getting really tired of her playing like this
Ok she is fighting but this is so not working
53 UE:help::help:

Nikkiri
Oct 8th, 2008, 03:46 PM
It's disgusting. Thats the only word I can think to use to describe this. Oh Ana. :o

kim86
Oct 8th, 2008, 03:49 PM
I'm speachless and hopeless.

That's enough. Really, i don't know what to think, this is the worst moment of her career, and the all thing come after her GS victory. Everything seems so absurd :help:

The Daviator
Oct 8th, 2008, 03:50 PM
When I logged on and checked the scores it was 6-3 2-6 2-2 and of course I knew the inevitable was on the cards :lol:

She has to keep playing this year, she can't go into Australia on the back of this bad run, and also she needs the points, she'll get some even if she goes 0-3 in YEC, which let's face it :o I don't know, maybe she can reach a QF in Linz or something :aparty:

bruce goose
Oct 8th, 2008, 03:55 PM
:bigcry:

DownTheLine21
Oct 8th, 2008, 04:29 PM
Oh well. Another tough loss, but at least she fought until the end. A 6-7 third set is better than a 1-6 or 2-6 collapse. However, since she had MPs and didn't convert them, I'm not sure that any of that matters. This is so frustrating and, although I know that she'll come out of this slump eventually, it's still worrisome.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 8th, 2008, 04:39 PM
4 losses in the last 5 matches. Only 1 win in her last 5 Tier I tournaments.
Her worst result at Wimbledon and US Open. For the first time lost a match after having MP's. For the first time lost a TB 3rd set.
And her first loss since Dubai after winning a 1st set.
It's not like she's playing men now.
Way too easy to say it's just mental.
She's trying still a lot of AJDE's to find some confidence but at the end the result is the same.
I still go to Zurich, but give me light in this nightmare cause it's not doable anymore.

SOA_MC
Oct 8th, 2008, 04:47 PM
When I logged on and checked the scores it was 6-3 2-6 2-2 and of course I knew the inevitable was on the cards :lol:

She has to keep playing this year, she can't go into Australia on the back of this bad run, and also she needs the points, she'll get some even if she goes 0-3 in YEC, which let's face it :o I don't know, maybe she can reach a QF in Linz or something :aparty:

I'm never going to get to use your avatar:sad:

Didn't get to see the match there was a power blackout here not that I'm complaining about it after seeing the result:(

She has 3 tournaments left for the year Zurich, Linz and YEC she might as well play them it's not like things can get any worse:shrug:

The Daviator
Oct 8th, 2008, 04:56 PM
I'm never going to get to use your avatar:sad:

Didn't get to see the match I had a power blackout not that I'm complaining about it after seeing the result:(

She has 3 tournaments left for the year Zurich, Linz and YEC she might as well play them it's not like things can get any worse:shrug:

I'll change now, you can have it :lol:

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 05:01 PM
I just don't know what to say.. this is beyond disappointing. Really.. this is by far the worst period ever in Ana's career.

The first set was quite good... she seemed in control of her forehand and serving well. But after the first game of the second set.. :help: I don't know how she can let her level drop so much and so fast. And still.. she fought until the very end.. but doesn't really matter, it's the mental battles she is losing. She is not playing the important points well, it seems like she feels the pressure.. and then the BP conversion is terrible.. today she had 5 out of 16. I really don't think this is a matter of match play.. she can play 100 matches, it's not going to fix this.. she has major issues to work on. The worst thing is that I don't see her improving at all.. it's just sad to watch her level drop, play well in one point and just terrible the very next, not cope with the important moments.

I thought that it was good to play as many tournaments as posible. But now I don't think so.. I would still play the YEC, cause she needs the points.. but all these bad losses are only going to keep hurting her confidence. I fear that might come a moment where she just will become a headcase. Cibulkova didn't do anything of notice today, it was Ana self destructing, missing the easiest of balls.. she still should have won, but didn't.

SOA_MC
Oct 8th, 2008, 05:09 PM
I'll change now, you can have it :lol:

Thanks I'll use it at YEC time were she'll need all the support she can get:help:

Ana's doubles match is on now for anyone who can stomach it:o

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 05:16 PM
Another thing..

It's amazing how Ana gets down on herself after wasting opportunities.. If you think about it... in her last few matches, everytime she had break points and wasted, she ended up getting broken in the very next game.

Her attitud after wasting the second match point was a bit negative.. at that moment I started to think that she wouldn't win.. but I had hopes because she had never lost a match after having Match points. I guess there is a first for everything...

kim86
Oct 8th, 2008, 05:16 PM
I just don't know what to say.. this is beyond disappointing. Really.. this is by far the worst period ever in Ana's career.

The first set was quite good... she seemed in control of her forehand and serving well. But after the first game of the second set.. :help: I don't know how she can let her level drop so much and so fast. And still.. she fought until the very end.. but doesn't really matter, it's the mental battles she is losing. She is not playing the important points well, it seems like she feels the pressure.. and then the BP conversion is terrible.. today she had 5 out of 16. I really don't think this is a matter of match play.. she can play 100 matches, it's not going to fix this.. she has major issues to work on. The worst thing is that I don't see her improving at all.. it's just sad to watch her level drop, play well in one point and just terrible the very next, not cope with the important moments.

I thought that it was good to play as many tournaments as posible. But now I don't think so.. I would still play the YEC, cause she needs the points.. but all these bad losses are only going to keep hurting her confidence. I fear that might come a moment where she just will become a headcase. Cibulkova didn't do anything of notice today, it was Ana self destructing, missing the easiest of balls.. she still should have won, but didn't.

You perfectly explained the situation.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 8th, 2008, 05:36 PM
Another thing..

It's amazing how Ana gets down on herself after wasting opportunities.. If you think about it... in her last few matches, everytime she had break points and wasted, she ended up getting broken in the very next game.

Her attitud after wasting the second match point was a bit negative.. at that moment I started to think that she wouldn't win.. but I had hopes because she had never lost a match after having Match points. I guess there is a first for everything...

Nothing new from the past. Only difference, she won these kind of matches. Now she's losses them time after time.
No matter if she's playing nr 19 or 188. She ends up losing a close match. So it doesn't matter a damn thing who she plays.
Ana never wants to know a draw. With this kind of play her draw is random anyway.

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 05:38 PM
Does anyone else think that all her luck went away with that netcord in Wimbledon? :bigcry: Seems like nothing goes Ana's way ever since.. :sobbing: Couldn't Cibulkova have hit an unforced error in that second match point? :crying2:

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 05:43 PM
Nothing new from the past. Only difference, she won these kind of matches. Now she's losses them time after time.
No matter if she's playing nr 19 or 188. She ends up losing a close match. So it doesn't matter a damn thing who she plays.
Ana never wants to know a draw. With this kind of play her draw is random anyway.

I know.. she always had those mental lapses.. but she also always could figure out a way to get her focus back.. which she can't right now.

And Yeah.. it's not the opponent.. the problem is with Ana. I somehow feel that if this was YEC and she was playing any of the qualified players, it would have the same result.. It's on Ana's racquet really. I just want her to stop with the match play crap, because it has nothing to do with her problems.. she needs to find out what's the issue and work on it.. so much talent being wasted.

DownTheLine21
Oct 8th, 2008, 05:49 PM
I agree that she needs to assess her problems, but I think some people may be over-reacting a little. She's had a few bad months, but she's still very young. She obviously loves tennis and isn't going to retire anytime soon, so I think she'll figure it out eventually. Just look to my signature/avatar. This has still been an amazing year, even if the second half was enormously frustrating.

Nikkiri
Oct 8th, 2008, 05:51 PM
Ana should start by burning that damn awful outfit.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 8th, 2008, 05:51 PM
Ana got a lucky netcord again at 2-4 in the TB. But didn't matter in the end.
I actually thought Ana would challenge the last ball of the match.
You think it's out, but I still want to see a replay.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 8th, 2008, 05:54 PM
I agree that she needs to assess her problems, but I think some people may be over-reacting a little. She's had a few bad months, but she's still very young. She obviously loves tennis and isn't going to retire anytime soon, so I think she'll figure it out eventually. Just look to my signature/avatar. This has still been an amazing year, even if the second half was enormously frustrating.

If you won't count AO, IW and RG. This year would be far worse than all the years before.

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 06:03 PM
I agree that she needs to assess her problems, but I think some people may be over-reacting a little. She's had a few bad months, but she's still very young. She obviously loves tennis and isn't going to retire anytime soon, so I think she'll figure it out eventually. Just look to my signature/avatar. This has still been an amazing year, even if the second half was enormously frustrating.

Yes.. she has plenty of time.. I guess it's just because it's really frustrating to see what's going on.. and that it has been going on for 4 months now.

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 06:05 PM
If you won't count AO, IW and RG. This year would be far worse than all the years before.

True.. We had great highs this year.. but more lows then ever..

jelenacg
Oct 8th, 2008, 06:15 PM
When will this agony end :sobbing:
Now we have to wait another 10 days and hope she wont play like crap:help:

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 06:19 PM
Well.. Moscow is officially over.

Ana/Fran just lost the doubles match. At least they put up quite a fight against the world's number 1 Black/Huber: 6-2, 4-6, 10-7.

Nikkiri
Oct 8th, 2008, 06:19 PM
She just lost her doubles match, really close.

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 06:20 PM
When will this agony end :sobbing:
Now we have to wait another 10 days and hope she wont play like crap:help:

:sobbing: Ana, don't play like crap in Zurich! :sobbing:

azdaja
Oct 8th, 2008, 06:35 PM
i won't say anything :tape: i won't say anything about ana's tennis until ana who won rg returns :(

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 06:42 PM
Ana should start by burning that damn awful outfit.

It's true! Burn the outfit Ana! You didn't have one good match using it! And it's not even nice looking! :help::help::help:

Seriously though... I guess she will have another outfit by the YEC, like last year.

kim86
Oct 8th, 2008, 06:49 PM
Well.. Moscow is officially over.

Ana/Fran just lost the doubles match. At least they put up quite a fight against the world's number 1 Black/Huber: 6-2, 4-6, 10-7.

Better in doubles than in singles...did she find her new way?

In her shoes, i would ask a WC for the doubles even in Zurich..

ps I agree with all of you about the outfit...it's orrible and jinxs

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 8th, 2008, 06:54 PM
Even with doubles she plays only 3 sets matches.
Opponents won't matter, but partners as well.

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 06:58 PM
Better in doubles than in singles...did she find her new way?

In her shoes, i would ask a WC for the doubles even in Zurich..

ps I agree with all of you about the outfit...it's orrible and jinxs

I don't know about the doubles in Zurich.. I don't think it helped her at all in singles, which is what matters the most.

:sobbing: I am such a loser.. I was just rewatching the second match point.. and :sobbing: why did I watch it again? Ana had a good chance there.. :sad:

kim86
Oct 8th, 2008, 07:04 PM
I didn's see a single point...luckily... :sad:

Anytime i saw Ana playing (and losing), i'm almost near a hart attack... :help:

Dexter
Oct 8th, 2008, 07:04 PM
After a long tiring day I don't even have energy to be bothered by this result. The worst thing is that she missed MPs... first time ever it happens. :(
At this point I really hope she doesn't play in Doha. It won't make her any good to be beaten by every player there. It would be better to take some time off, forget about her recent results and come back strongly in Australia next year.

SOA_MC
Oct 8th, 2008, 07:08 PM
I don't like these Jankovic fans being nice to Ana and us:ras:

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 07:09 PM
I didn's see a single point...luckily... :sad:

Anytime i saw Ana playing (and losing), i'm almost near a hart attack... :help:

You are so lucky! I watched the whole thing! :sobbing:

She should have won.. really, she should have won. That's one of these matches that a player loses because she didn't play well when it really mattered. Ana even won more points.. :sad:

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 07:11 PM
After a long tiring day I don't even have energy to be bothered by this result. The worst thing is that she missed MPs... first time ever it happens. :(
At this point I really hope she doesn't play in Doha. It won't make her any good to be beaten by every player there. It would be better to take some time off, forget about her recent results and come back strongly in Australia next year.

I think losing to scrubs hurts her confidence a lot more than losing to top players. But yeah.. maybe she should call it a year.. :sad:

Nikkiri
Oct 8th, 2008, 07:15 PM
I don't like these Jankovic fans being nice to Ana and us:ras:

We need a good old Jankovic/Ivanovic match. :devil: She brings the best out in Ana. :p

azdaja
Oct 8th, 2008, 07:21 PM
I don't like these Jankovic fans being nice to Ana and us:ras:
i agree entirely if they are acting in this way (i didn't go to gm). with exception of those who were nice while ana was winning everybody else can fuck off. it's easy to stop acting like a jerk towards a player when she is in a slump and it's a standard practice on this board.

Dexter
Oct 8th, 2008, 07:31 PM
Me myself couldn't careless about Jankovic's fans views on Ana.

jelenacg
Oct 8th, 2008, 08:15 PM
Me myself couldn't careless about Jankovic's fans views on Ana.

Exactly the same with me:)
I wanted her to win today but whats the point really?
She would probably lose her next match,53 UE thats just to much
I want her to start wining matches but wining them in her way not some ugly three setters way
Only 3 tournaments until the end of the season
Ana :smash: you better start playing your game

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 10:53 PM
I want Ana to stop saying stuff like this:


"I created my chances, I served well and I had match points," Ivanovic said. "Obviously I'm disappointed."

"I'm healthy, enjoying my time on the court and just happy to be back competing. I'm just trying to get as many matches as I can; it'll take time to get back to my best," said Ivanovic who has been plagued by a thumb injury.



Ana.. this time heals thing is stupid... time does not heal anything if you don't realise what's wrong and do something about it. Watch your matches.. see what's keeping you from winning them and work on it!

Balltossovic
Oct 8th, 2008, 11:04 PM
I want Ana to stop saying stuff like this:



Ana.. this time heals thing is stupid... time does not heal anything if you don't realise what's wrong and do something about it. Watch your matches.. see what's keeping you from winning them and work on it!

I think she is right though.

For peeps saying she should skip the YEC's, I think that's a bad idea. I think the YEC's would be the perfect way to get her groove going again.

I mean everytime she loses, she's waiting a week or two to play another match. That doesn't help. In Doha she will have the benifit of the round Robin.

Even if she loses the first match she will still have at least two more matches to play. I can't imagine Ana losing all three round robin matches.

If she gets two wins an a loss those are pretty good odds to make it into the semi's.

Skipping from now till the Australian I think is a very bad idea. Even after Doha she will still have over a month before competing. If she stops playing now I think she will lose ALL confidence and ALL rythym she MAY have been getting back.

I don't know. I want her to continue playing though. I THINK (I may be wrong) this the first time she has gone through a bad patch like this. Giving up is not the way to go.

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 11:20 PM
I think she is right though.

For peeps saying she should skip the YEC's, I think that's a bad idea. I think the YEC's would be the perfect way to get her groove going again.

I mean everytime she loses, she's waiting a week or two to play another match. That doesn't help. In Doha she will have the benifit of the round Robin.

Even if she loses the first match she will still have at least two more matches to play. I can't imagine Ana losing all three round robin matches.

If she gets two wins an a loss those are pretty good odds to make it into the semi's.

Skipping from now till the Australian I think is a very bad idea. Even after Doha she will still have over a month before competing. If she stops playing now I think she will lose ALL confidence and ALL rythym she MAY have been getting back.

I don't know. I want her to continue playing though. I THINK (I may be wrong) this the first time she has gone through a bad patch like this. Giving up is not the way to go.

I agree with you in some parts and desagree in others.

If Ana is just expecting that things are going to get better just by playing more matches, she is probably wrong.. things don't work out that way.. specially because she has been losing matches that she should have won. The problem is not rhythm or match play, but mental toughness in the important poinst.. taking her break points.. game points.. or being able to close the match when she has the opportunity. In Beijing she served for the first set against Zheng twice.. today she had 2 match points. This is an issue that does not work itself out. She needs to see why she isn't being able to take those important points and figure out how to do it. Time and more matches won't heal this problem.

The second point I desagree about is that she might lose confidence if she stopped playing for the year. I think it's worse for her confidence all these early bad losses. Now she does not have enough belief even to put out a MP.

But.. I agree that she should not skip Doha. For some reason I don't think she will be crushed by any of the players.. if she loses it will be like this again.. she has been able to play well in at least a set anyway. And she needs the points. She has tons of points to defend for the first part of the year, and any points that she can grab in these last few tournaments are really welcome.

This is the worst period of Ana's career. But she had a similar patch, going 5-5 in late 2006, after winning Montreal.

kim86
Oct 8th, 2008, 11:24 PM
I want Ana to stop saying stuff like this:



Ana.. this time heals thing is stupid... time does not heal anything if you don't realise what's wrong and do something about it. Watch your matches.. see what's keeping you from winning them and work on it!

She always says the same thing after a loss...i think it's just a riff, like an automatic answer to whom is asking her to explain the match and the loss.
It sounds like a statement that she doesn't really believe in. Just to keep the media calm.

She can't say that she is in the right way when she's losing all the matches she plays. It's absurd she can't realize that there's a big problem to solve.

kim86
Oct 8th, 2008, 11:33 PM
I think she is right though.

For peeps saying she should skip the YEC's, I think that's a bad idea. I think the YEC's would be the perfect way to get her groove going again.

I mean everytime she loses, she's waiting a week or two to play another match. That doesn't help. In Doha she will have the benifit of the round Robin.

Even if she loses the first match she will still have at least two more matches to play. I can't imagine Ana losing all three round robin matches.

If she gets two wins an a loss those are pretty good odds to make it into the semi's.

Skipping from now till the Australian I think is a very bad idea. Even after Doha she will still have over a month before competing. If she stops playing now I think she will lose ALL confidence and ALL rythym she MAY have been getting back.

I don't know. I want her to continue playing though. I THINK (I may be wrong) this the first time she has gone through a bad patch like this. Giving up is not the way to go.

Except the first phrase, because it would be the right though if she has said it once or twice, but she's repeating that everytime she lose, i agree with rest.

In Doha at least she can play 3 matches without having to go home. And maybe it would be an impulse for her pride to compete against the best player in the World.
Giving up it would be like admit she is a coward, and Ana is a fighter.

Balltossovic
Oct 8th, 2008, 11:35 PM
I agree with you in some parts and desagree in others.

If Ana is just expecting that things are going to get better just by playing more matches, she is probably wrong.. things don't work out that way.. specially because she has been losing matches that she should have won. The problem is not rhythm or match play, but mental toughness in the important poinst.. taking her break points.. game points.. or being able to close the match when she has the opportunity. In Beijing she served for the first set against Zheng twice.. today she had 2 match points. This is an issue that does not work itself out. She needs to see why she isn't being able to take those important points and figure out how to do it. Time and more matches won't heal this problem.
The second point I desagree about is that she might lose confidence if she stopped playing for the year. I think it's worse for her confidence all these early bad losses. Now she does not have enough belief even to put out a MP.

But.. I agree that she should not skip Doha. For some reason I don't think she will be crushed by any of the players.. if she loses it will be like this again.. she has been able to play well in at least a set anyway. And she needs the points. She has tons of points to defend for the first part of the year, and any points that she can grab in these last few tournaments are really welcome.

This is the worst period of Ana's career. But she had a similar patch, going 5-5 in late 2006, after winning Montreal.

I see all your points and agree with some except the bold.

I agree something is wrong and she needs to fix the problem. But how will she fix it if she doesn't play? (I understand you are not saying she shouldn't play. I'm just saying....) If it's a mental problem it wont be fixed by just practice she needs to solve this issue on the court. She's not going to solve this problem on the practice courts she has to do it in matches :shrugs:

Balltossovic
Oct 8th, 2008, 11:39 PM
Except the first phrase, because it would be the right though if she has said it once or twice, but she's repeating that everytime she lose, i agree with rest.

In Doha at least she can play 3 matches without having to go home. And maybe it would be an impulse for her pride to compete against the best player in the World.
Giving up it would be like admit she is a coward, and Ana is a fighter.

No she is deffo not a coward she's a fighter. I don't know if it makes me feel better that she has lost all her matches in three sets or worse. She;s just not able to put it all together. And I know Ana is a closer. I am just going to stay positve and hope as much as it pains me to say it: she will do like Maria and come back strong at the YEC's

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 11:40 PM
She always says the same thing after a loss...i think it's just a riff, like an automatic answer to whom is asking her to explain the match and the loss.
It sounds like a statement that she doesn't really believe in. Just to keep the media calm.

She can't say that she is in the right way when she's losing all the matches she plays. It's absurd she can't realize that there's a big problem to solve.


Yes.. I know it's just something she repeats for the press.. I just really hope she does not believe that's her only issue.

You see.. I don't even think she is enjoying her time on court. I don't see that intensity she used to have.. I don't see her smiling during points.. just serious and with no spark, even while winning.

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 11:44 PM
I see all your points and agree with some except the bold.

I agree something is wrong and she needs to fix the problem. But how will she fix it if she doesn't play? (I understand you are not saying she shouldn't play. I'm just saying....) If it's a mental problem it wont be fixed by just practice she needs to solve this issue on the court. She's not going to solve this problem on the practice courts she has to do it in matches :shrugs:

I agree with you that she needs to solve all that on court, playing matches. What I mean is that she can't expect that only by playing and with time, all will be fixed, because it won't. She has to go on court with a new attitud, with more concentration.. she has to go on court knowing what she did wrong and what exactly she has to do to win.. she just keeps making the same mistakes.. wasting opportunities the same way.. she needs to go on court already with the solution in her mind. Not just go and expect things to work out by themselves.

kim86
Oct 8th, 2008, 11:47 PM
Yes.. I know it's just something she repeats for the press.. I just really hope she does not believe that's her only issue.

You see.. I don't even think she is enjoying her time on court. I don't see that intensity she used to have.. I don't see her smiling during points.. just serious and with no spark, even while winning.

Yes, i look at her face when she's on court and her expression is scared, nervous. And she never smiles. I think that she's not enjoying her time on court too.

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 11:47 PM
No she is deffo not a coward she's a fighter. I don't know if it makes me feel better that she has lost all her matches in three sets or worse. She;s just not able to put it all together. And I know Ana is a closer. I am just going to stay positve and hope as much as it pains me to say it: she will do like Maria and come back strong at the YEC's

Ana has always been a great closer. Great in tight situations. But all these losses happened because she couldn't close it out, and couldn't figure out a way to win tight matches.

There are two alternatives in this situation. This will either make Ana stronger mentally, when she is finally able to solve out her problems. Or this might just turn her into a headcase who can't win tight matches. I hope for the first and fear the second.

kim86
Oct 8th, 2008, 11:49 PM
One more thing...but where is Sven Groeneveld? It's a long time since i don't see him in Ana's box :confused:

How could they prepare the match if they're not togheter?

gaviotabr
Oct 8th, 2008, 11:51 PM
One more thing...but where is Sven Groeneveld? It's a long time since i don't see him in Ana's box :confused:

How could they prepare the match if they're not togheter?

Sven was in Ana's box today. He was with Scott, Ana's mom, and a bald guy I had never seen before.

When Ana had the MP, even Ana's mom shouted C'mon! She is always so serious and quiet..

Balltossovic
Oct 8th, 2008, 11:56 PM
Poor Dragana She wants her baby to win. And you're right I NEVER see Dragana active. Only in LA 07 V JJ

kim86
Oct 8th, 2008, 11:56 PM
Sven was in Ana's box today. He was with Scott, Ana's mom, and a bald guy I had never seen before.

Thanks ;)

When Ana had the MP, even Ana's mom shouted C'mon! She is always so serious and quiet..

This is a real sigh that Ana is really in trouble. :sad:

gaviotabr
Oct 9th, 2008, 12:06 AM
Poor Dragana She wants her baby to win. And you're right I NEVER see Dragana active. Only in LA 07 V JJ

Good memories! :sobbing:

Thanks ;)

This is a real sigh that Ana is really in trouble. :sad:

Yes.. I was really surprised by Dragana's reaction. Of course it was still very classy and calm in a way. Nothing really strong.. But just to see her reacting and really active and cheering for Ana was a surprise for me. She is great at hiding her emotions, as I'm sure there must be a lot of emotions going on everytime she watches Ana playing, even though she does it in every single match.

jonnyroyale_13
Oct 9th, 2008, 01:26 AM
oh boy:o Ana, Ana, Ana.:sad:

Well, i can only react to the first set because its all i saw. And I thought she was great.:shrug: The way she served i couldve sworn it was a match from last year. Mid 50's percent in the first set, 6 aces and a couple DF's, but really strong serves, and the aces were mostly bombs right down Main Street. The forehand was magnificent. She was only broken the one time, which is no big deal at all. And her opponent was playing quite well too. Maybe im being generous, but i thought she was at her AO level- if the same match had occurred last January i would see the first set going about the same.
So then it all fell apart i guess.

I have to mention the backhand though.:( Wtf is she doing now? Its like you can know an error is coming before she even gets the racket on it just from her awkward technique. I made this graphic last year after the Los Angeles SF match:
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8950/backhandua0.jpg
Im no expert on tennis technique, but there are a few glaring problems now. In the sequence above as the ball moves toward Ana, Ana moves toward the ball. Lately, she is either stationary or moving backward. Sometimes she does that squatting down thing like her legs are all twisted up when she hits it while falling away from it. In the sequence above, its very similar to a baseball technique- you can see the power generating in the legs in frame 2, her head is nearly motionless into frame three, the contact is taken out in front with forearms out in front, and the follow through she could have done any number of adjustments in the wrists to be master over the ball. I dont know what a tennis coach would say about it, but i know they cant be happy with whatever the backhand is doing now. Ill be interested when i watch the rest of this match to see if Cibulkova started picking on the backhand, or if Ana just...:explode:

gaviotabr
Oct 9th, 2008, 02:25 AM
oh boy:o Ana, Ana, Ana.:sad:

Well, i can only react to the first set because its all i saw. And I thought she was great.:shrug: The way she served i couldve sworn it was a match from last year. Mid 50's percent in the first set, 6 aces and a couple DF's, but really strong serves, and the aces were mostly bombs right down Main Street. The forehand was magnificent. She was only broken the one time, which is no big deal at all. And her opponent was playing quite well too. Maybe im being generous, but i thought she was at her AO level- if the same match had occurred last January i would see the first set going about the same.
So then it all fell apart i guess.

I have to mention the backhand though.:( Wtf is she doing now? Its like you can know an error is coming before she even gets the racket on it just from her awkward technique. I made this graphic last year after the Los Angeles SF match:
http://img18.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-10396/loc1019/09057_backhand_122_1019lo.JPG
Im no expert on tennis technique, but there are a few glaring problems now. In the sequence above as the ball moves toward Ana, Ana moves toward the ball. Lately, she is either stationary or moving backward. Sometimes she does that squatting down thing like her legs are all twisted up when she hits it while falling away from it. In the sequence above, its very similar to a baseball technique- you can see the power generating in the legs in frame 2, her head is nearly motionless into frame three, the contact is taken out in front with forearms out in front, and the follow through she could have done any number of adjustments in the wrists to be master over the ball. I dont know what a tennis coach would say about it, but i know they cant be happy with whatever the backhand is doing now. Ill be interested when i watch the rest of this match to see if Cibulkova started picking on the backhand, or if Ana just...:explode:

Ana just...:explode: Too many unforced errors. And the forehand letting her down on important moments.

The first set was great. I think it was the best I've seen Ana play since RG. She served quite well the entire match. It seems that she has been working on her serve again, since it was probably the best I've seen her serve since Indian Wells.. and very last year like you said. But she could avoid double faulting on break points, that's really not necessary.. :help::tape:

The backhand has been really awkward lately, you are right. That's also disappointing, since she was actually hitting some nice backhands up until RG this year. I thought the racquet had helped with her technique. But now she seems to have her footwork all messed up everytime she has to hit a backhand.

I read something in the comments section of a blog, that I also saw and agree:

in the second MP, Ana had a smooth ball to her forehand at one point in the rally, right in the midle of the court. But I guess in that moment one of her biggest problems in this slump got exposed. She does not trust her forehand as before. I think partly because of the thumb injury. She had the ball to attack.. or to at least make Domi run, and she just hit the ball back in the middle of the court, as deep as the service line. You could see that she hesitated before hitting the shot. Some time ago she would have tried to smack that ball for a winner, and would have probably made it.

This was very obvious for me in the second MP. I thought Ana played a bit cowardly in that moment and payed for it. I think the reason Ana had never lost a match after having MP was because she was so fearless in Match points, she really trusted her forehand to do the work. This time she didn't.

bruce goose
Oct 9th, 2008, 02:33 AM
First of all,something happened to Ana between RG and,most likely,Wimby,on a PERSONAL level---something impactful that could take her mind light years away from the sport she loves.Ana is entitled to her private life,so we have no right to know what this thing was--and it would be unfair to speculate publicly--but SOMETHING happened.

'Tennis Lover's' comments are admirable for the truism that only cowards quit.......the problem is that Ana has ALREADY quit mentally,and she's just perpetrating a fraud by showing up at these tourneys with a PRETENSE of an effort.This is evidenced by her satisfaction with her performance in her post-match statements.I challenge ANY poster here to find one #1 player in history---even ONE---who would've been satisfied with that crap today.The fact that Ana is content with losing shows that her heart isn't in it.Nor is there ANY evidence WHATSOEVER that she's taking any specific steps to get to the root of her problems....all we get is a lot of bullshit denial.Ana's blunt refusal to look herself in the mirror,and assess the situation frankly,demonstrates her lack of commitment.

I don't have the first freakin' clue what the answers are,so my only hope lies in 'Down The Line's' observation that Ana is relatively young.Maybe within a couple years she'll hit rock bottom like Capriati did,and this'll motivate her to care about tennis again.What's scary is that she doesn't even seem too upset with wasting her potential.She finds plenty of time for prancing around at player parties and running all over doing who-knows-what with every sweet-talking lowlife vergologo maldito on the ATP tour,but she can't spare two seconds to ask herself HONESTLY what's wrong.I hope no one's so stupid to believe that I get one OUNCE of pleasure in saying these words.Ana can do whatEVER she wants with her life,yet I feel like we're losing this wonderful,classic artist who--despite her extreme naivete--is a warm,sweet-natured lovable human being who could emblemize the sport for years as an ALL-time great.Imagine if Beethoven became a cokehead and couldn't play the piano correctly anymore,and you had to watch the painful sight of him missing the keys as a 1st-year student would.THAT'S how I feel watching Ana now...and it REALLY freakin' hurts:sad::sad::sad:....DAMN does this hurt!!!...That's all I got to say...and DIDN'T mean to offend anyone...this just hurts.......

Langers
Oct 9th, 2008, 02:44 AM
What the heck is going on? I assume she's still having the same old problems; too many UE's, too many return of serves not going into play; and not enough patience? After a great first 4-5 months it's been horrid afterwards.

Reckoner
Oct 9th, 2008, 03:05 AM
This has been a let down year for me. Ana did win her first GS, but between her and Krajicek's performances/injuries of late, make it hard to follow tennis. I lose interest when my favs are out.

Ana's going through a slump right now. I think she'll better off for dropping some places in the rankings anyway, plus next she'll have little points to defend. At least in the last half of the year or so anyway.

In this situation, you gotta stay positive, you know in the slight chance she reads this board.

dybbuk
Oct 9th, 2008, 04:02 AM
I do agree with the blog. She was very bad with short balls today. Ana of old was so good with dealing with anything short, she would always put them away, or at least put her opponent on the defensive and get the easy volley.

Just patience I guess. Getting a sports physcologist would be a good idea, and Sven definitely needs to be with her from now until they figure out this problem. It's just confidence/mental issues. Nothing is wrong with her game, she's just playing like she's afraid to lose. This is what seperates her from Serena/Henin/Maria/Venus at Wimby. Ana doesn't create confidence like they do. Those four would walk into an event, when they shouldn't have any confidence, but they create it themselves from nothing and play at their best. Ana has never been able to do that. She has to have the wins to reassure herself she is a good player. Hopefully that will change in the future, but that's the reason for these losses right now.

gaviotabr
Oct 9th, 2008, 11:34 AM
So.. now Zurich...

Ana, please play well for more than a set!

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 9th, 2008, 04:49 PM
Not that I want to 'jinx' anything.
Ana reached at least the QF in all the tournaments I attended. In all of them she lost to good players.
But of course there's a first time for everything :help:

QF: Clijsters
QF: Hantuchova
WIN
SF: Sharapova, Henin
SF: Dementieva

gaviotabr
Oct 9th, 2008, 09:31 PM
Not that I want to 'jinx' anything.
Ana reached at least the QF in all the tournaments I attended. In all of them she lost to good players.
But of course there's a first time for everything :help:

QF: Clijsters
QF: Hantuchova
WIN
SF: Sharapova, Henin
SF: Dementieva

Let's hope you can give her some luck!!!

Aiss I hope she plays someone who makes a ton of unforced errors and gives the match away.. Ana needs a good, convincing win.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 9th, 2008, 09:40 PM
Let's hope you can give her some luck!!!

Aiss I hope she plays someone who makes a ton of unforced errors and gives the match away.. Ana needs a good, convincing win.

That's not what I call convincing.
Convincing is if someone plays their best match ever against Ana and still eats a double bagel.

At least I try to be as loud as possible, but still Ana has to do it herself.

bruce goose
Oct 9th, 2008, 10:19 PM
That's not what I call convincing.
Convincing is if someone plays their best match ever against Ana and still eats a double bagel.

At least I try to be as loud as possible, but still Ana has to do it herself.Sjoerd,I'm sure you relish seeing her again regardless,but I sincerely hope that you'll be blessed to see the Ana we USED TO experience.RG seems like a fairy tale now,as if it never really happened:sad:...but we'd feel the same way about this nightmare 4 months if Ana ever got her form back to normal.Honestly,I say this without truly believing that it'll happen,but how AWESOME it'd be if Ana came back to herself in Zurich...and YOU would be there to witness it firsthand,a memory of a lifetime:).Have a nice,safe trip and enjoy the tourney,Sjoerd.:wavey:

gaviotabr
Oct 9th, 2008, 10:27 PM
That's not what I call convincing.
Convincing is if someone plays their best match ever against Ana and still eats a double bagel.

At least I try to be as loud as possible, but still Ana has to do it herself.

Yeah... you are totally right. I actually meant to express two different thoughts, but I somehow ended up writing everything together. I meant that she needs a good, convincing win.. but that I hope she starts by playing someone who will help her out, so she can gain some confidence. Ana desperately needs confidence. I watch her matches and I see no self belief.

JeLeNaJfAn
Oct 10th, 2008, 12:30 PM
Hey Ivanovic Fans, I dont know what has happened with me but Im falling in Love with Ana:hearts:, since her injury and comeback I like her so much! Im a huge JJFan but I love Ana too...
I really hope that Ana get some match practise in Zurich and Linz...

SOA_MC
Oct 10th, 2008, 12:58 PM
Hi JeLeNafAn:wavey: yeah alot of Jankovic fans are liking Ana at the moment but not always for the right reasons:lol:

Cp6uja
Oct 10th, 2008, 10:22 PM
I want to remind all of you on her first full pro season. In 2005 Ana is Newcomer/MostImprovedPlayer of the year already after just 6 months - she started season like #97 but after several good results, couple TOP10 wins and RG QF (she is already seeded player at her career 2nd slam!) Ana is TOP20 player with TOP10 predictions already that season! But after that her game is unexpected for all down... she lose her 3rd round Wimbledon match with pathetic 1-6 4-6 performance against Pierce and her 2005 summer is total disaster. Before USO/05 Ana played only two matches at Canada Open where she also reach some injury, and at US Open 2nd round she lose against mediocre player Vento-Kabchi and till midle of october she not win any single match. But at Zurich and Linz reaching semifinals 17yo Ana remind whole world again that she is same upcoming youngstar from first half of season!

This 2008 Ana is also some kind of "NEWCOMER PLAYER" (but in tennis elite) - its first season which she started like TOP10 (TOP5 actualy) and she started realy great and in first half between AO/08 and RG/08 she played finals at both slams and reach her first GS title and have debut at WTA#1... but rest of this story is similar with 2005 - so why not to belive that Zurich and Linz tournaments will be again places when she in finish of season remind whole world about her potential which she shows in 1st half of season. Actualy for elite players finish of season is YEC tournament and "good finish" of season actualy means good result in Doha/08.

But if this not happen this year is still realy great for Ana, and in november and december she have enough time to regroup from this nightmare of 2nd half of this season.

gaviotabr
Oct 10th, 2008, 10:48 PM
I want to remind all of you on her first full pro season. In 2005 Ana is Newcomer/MostImprovedPlayer of the year already after just 6 months - she started season like #97 but after several good results, couple TOP10 wins and RG QF (she is already seeded player at her career 2nd slam!) Ana is TOP20 player with TOP10 predictions already that season! But after that her game is unexpected for all down... she lose her 3rd round Wimbledon match with pathetic 1-6 4-6 performance against Pierce and her 2005 summer is total disaster. Before USO/05 Ana played only two matches at Canada Open where she also reach some injury, and at US Open 2nd round she lose against mediocre player Vento-Kabchi and till midle of october she not win any single match. But at Zurich and Linz reaching semifinals 17yo Ana remind whole world again that she is same upcoming youngstar from first half of season!

This 2008 Ana is also some kind of "NEWCOMER PLAYER" (but in tennis elite) - its first season which she started like TOP10 (TOP5 actualy) and she started realy great and in first half between AO/08 and RG/08 she played finals at both slams and reach her first GS title and have debut at WTA#1... but rest of this story is similar with 2005 - so why not to belive that Zurich and Linz tournaments will be again places when she in finish of season remind whole world about her potential which she shows in 1st half of season. Actualy for elite players finish of season is YEC tournament and "good finish" of season actualy means good result in Doha/08.

But if this not happen this year is still realy great for Ana, and in november and december she have enough time to regroup from this nightmare of 2nd half of this season.

I hope you are right C6puja! Let's hope Ana can get her head together and have a good run in these last 3 tournaments!

I'm actually only worried because she is losing matches that she should have won.. And not because of the opponent or whatever... I mean that she is losing tight matches against less experienced players, where her mental game is faultering, causing her to lose. She should have won all these matches, even playing badly. Of course I hope Ana can get her game going and play like in the beggining of the year.. but she has to bring her mental strengh back too.

gaviotabr
Oct 10th, 2008, 10:50 PM
By the way.. I read somewhere that Zurich's draw is going to be made tomorrow, but I couldn't really find it on the web. Does anyone know it for sure?

jonnyroyale_13
Oct 11th, 2008, 01:44 AM
Not for sure, but last year it was on a Saturday morning.

jonnyroyale_13
Oct 11th, 2008, 03:28 AM
Actually,I just read it on AI website- "The draw for the zurich open is tomorrow at 13:00 CET.":bounce:

SOA_MC
Oct 11th, 2008, 01:24 PM
Zurich Draw

Jelena Jankovic (SRB) bye
Nadia Petrova (RUS) vs. Flavia Pennetta (ITA)
Katarina Srebotnik (SLO) vs. Timea Bacsinszky (SUI)
Qualifier vs. Agnieszka Radwanska (POL)

Vera Zvonareva (RUS) bye
Anabel Medina Garrigues (ESP) vs. Na Li (CHN)
Amélie Mauresmo (FRA) vs. Victoria Azarenka (BLR)
Qualifier vs. Anna Chakvetadze (RUS)

Daniela Hantuchova (SVK) vs. Maria Kirilenko (RUS)
Caroline Wozniacki (DEN) vs. Francesca Schiavone (ITA)
Alona Bondarenko (UKR) vs. Alize Cornet (FRA)
Venus Williams (USA) bye

Patty Schnyder (SUI) vs. Qualifier
Qualifier vs. Sybille Bammer (AUT)
Marion Bartoli (FRA) vs. Agnes Szavay (HUN)
Ana Ivanovic (SRB) bye

jonnyroyale_13
Oct 11th, 2008, 02:04 PM
Bartoli, Szavay, or Ana - between those three, who's been to their most recent QF?:lol:

bruce goose
Oct 11th, 2008, 02:25 PM
Ana only had to win one match to reach the Beijing QFs thanks to her high seed that came from this year's EARLIER results.She was fortunate to face Cornet who seems to be struggling since being upset in the 3rd round of USO by Groenefeld.Bartoli was limping around in her opening match in Moscow and pro'bly hasn't healed her big toe fully...and Szavay has been having an awful 'sophomore slump' for most of 2008.I think that Ana will win ONE match here,too,and then her likely QF foe will be Bammer or hometown girl Schnyder.NEITHER of them come close to Ana in talent but they BOTH get lots of balls back...need we say more?:unsure::unsure::unsure:

The way she's been for the past 4 months,I'd call it a minor miracle if Ana defeated Schnyder in front of a partisan crowd,so Bammer knocking off Patty is our better hope(though STILL not great).Perhaps the Swiss will be angry with Bammer--and we KNOW how ferocious angry Swiss can be--if she beats their local hero...and then they will rally behind Ana along with Sjoerd.She needs ALL the help she can get at this stage...and it's hard to determine how motivated she truly is....

Nikkiri
Oct 11th, 2008, 02:29 PM
Good luck Ana, try to win a match kay? :)

jonnyroyale_13
Oct 11th, 2008, 03:25 PM
Ana only had to win one match to reach the Beijing QFs thanks to her high seed that came from this year's EARLIER results.She was fortunate to face Cornet who seems to be struggling since being upset in the 3rd round of USO by Groenefeld.Bartoli was limping around in her opening match in Moscow and pro'bly hasn't healed her big toe fully...and Szavay has been having an awful 'sophomore slump' for most of 2008.I think that Ana will win ONE match here,too,and then her likely QF foe will be Bammer or hometown girl Schnyder.NEITHER of them come close to Ana in talent but they BOTH get lots of balls back...need we say more?:unsure::unsure::unsure:

The way she's been for the past 4 months,I'd call it a minor miracle if Ana defeated Schnyder in front of a partisan crowd,so Bammer knocking off Patty is our better hope(though STILL not great).Perhaps the Swiss will be angry with Bammer--and we KNOW how ferocious angry Swiss can be--if she beats their local hero...and then they will rally behind Ana along with Sjoerd.She needs ALL the help she can get at this stage...and it's hard to determine how motivated she truly is....

Oh yeah. Forgot about Ana reaching a QF.:o:lol: I assumed it was one of the other two.
About the Swiss crowd, i dont want to label them as this or that, but they always gave me the impression of being some of the most well behaved tennis fans. They seem like they just want to see good tennis. When Hingis returned in 06, they of course supported her, but they responded well to the opponent as well and dont clap a DF or something, even for her. I dont know about Federer.

bruce goose
Oct 11th, 2008, 03:32 PM
About the Swiss crowd, i dont want to label them as this or that, but they always gave me the impression of being some of the most well behaved tennis fans. They seem like they just want to see good tennis.Sorry,I was being sarcastic when I referred to Swiss ferocity.Based on the testimony of immediate family who've spent good stretches in Switzerland,I'd say that the Swiss are about as ferocious as baby koala bears.However,they WOULD cheer enthusiastically and loudly for Schnyder and that might hurt Ana's confidence...as many things do.:sad:

gaviotabr
Oct 11th, 2008, 04:52 PM
Well.. I don't even think the draw matters that much anymore.. Ana should have won all the matches that she lost.. she only didn't because she didn't have enough concentration to win the important points.. Let's hope for the best!

Good luck Ana!

bruce goose
Oct 11th, 2008, 05:05 PM
Well.. I don't even think the draw matters that much anymore.... Let's hope for the best!

Good luck Ana!Yes,I essentially agree with you;it's just that I'm HOPING that a victory MIGHT inspire Ana somehow--even though it didn't work in Beijing:sad:.If,that's only IF,she regained a smidge of her old form,THEN the draw would actually be relevant.I.e.:We'd prefer Bammer or Schnyder to Zvonareva,Jankovic or Safina(one of the tougher current players)....It'd be wishful thinking to assume that Ana's previous success would help against Jelena right NOW.

Dexter
Oct 11th, 2008, 05:25 PM
Well any draw is tough atm. Let's take it not match by match, but set by set. :lol:

jelenacg
Oct 11th, 2008, 10:39 PM
I just read in Serbian newspaper an interview with Sven and i will translate what he said
He is saying that there is no crisis,that she was injured and she didn`t practice and now she is searching for her form and that her every lost has a logical explanation
He has also mentioned her lack of matches and gave a example,she had 13 matches in January and only 10 matches since Wimbledon
He said that she is only 20 years old and she didn`t yet reach or show her potential
He talked about injuries and how they are part of sport and said that Ana`s injury came in really bad time
They asked him what he thinks about some psychologist and professors saying that Ana is in crisis and he said #1 there is no crisis and #2 he has always respected and learn from other people but in this case they should deal with their students

In the end they asked him who is his favorite player(bc he is adidas coach)and told him to be careful what he will said bc this will be published in Serbia and Sven said that there is no secret that Ana is his favorite player and he spends with her most of the time and that she has a great personality

Nice interview but he didn`t say anything new or different from what we heard so far

bruce goose
Oct 11th, 2008, 10:49 PM
Nothing against Sven;you'd expect him to be protective of Ana when he speaks to the press.He can PROVE that there's no crisis if he can help her turn things around swiftly next year--or even THIS one,as unlikely as that seems.I'm not sure that Sven actually believes there's no crisis.He knows Ana so well that it's hard to imagine that he wouldn't be alarmed by this current stretch.Perhaps he feels that it would hurt her even MORE if he spoke candidly to the media...that very well may be true.

For sure,if Ana is still bombing out in the early rounds on clay next year--IF she's not burned out before then(as she already appears)--then he'll no longer deny the reality as it'll be unavoidable.

gaviotabr
Oct 11th, 2008, 11:03 PM
I'm sorry.. but I hope Sven is only saying this kind of things to protect Ana from the media. If he really thinks like this, than her team is not doing anything to help her get out of this slump but sit around and wait for her to regain her form by a miracle.

If she was losing the matches 1 and 2.. than fine.. she could be totally out of form.. she would have to play as much as she could to find her game, and play well again. It could be due to lack of form... but she is losing matches she should have won, even not playing her best, because she lacks focus in important moments.. it's as clear as water. Old Ana would never waste 2 Match points.. or give up on a third set tie break missing ridiculously easy shots.. If Sven does not see that he needs to help Ana mentally, than forget it..

I just read some quotes from Ana.. and I was already feeling frustrated about it.. as she seems to genuinely think that all she has to do is play more matches and she will be fine sooner or later.. but this from Sven is just even more frustrating as it seems that her view is supported by her team.. and that all they are doing is waiting for a win to come from heaven. She needs to work on her mental game.. not only for right now.. but also for the future.. Ana has never been able to do well in two tournaments in a row.. and her focus usually always fluctuates in a match.. if in a time like now, that they have all the signs in the world that they need to work on it, they don't.. I really can't see when they will..

babuska6
Oct 12th, 2008, 08:28 AM
Ana can beat Bartoli or Szavay but she just needs to cut down her UE and believe in herself..But I have to say that Ana who played in Moscow,was not Ana from Roland Garros :sad: It was so sad to see her play as bad as she played..I hope that her game will change in Zurich..I believe in u and all the best Ana ;)

Princeza
Oct 12th, 2008, 09:29 AM
Patty Schnyder (SUI) vs. Qualifier
Qualifier vs. Sybille Bammer (AUT)
Marion Bartoli (FRA) vs. Agnes Szavay (HUN)
Ana Ivanovic (SRB) bye

Each match seems so hard :sad:
Let's hope she takes some confidence here. Ajde baby girl :hearts:

gaviotabr
Oct 12th, 2008, 12:10 PM
The doubles draw for Zurich is out.. and no doubles for Ana this time around.

MagicMilan
Oct 12th, 2008, 01:23 PM
Sven is a remarkable coach, that's for sure but I don't think he can really help her this time. It's not about her tennis, she has no great problems with her game. It's confidence she lacks, and the only cure is winning. Her camp can certainly encourage her but it's up to Ana to get out of this slump. I'm sure she has no problems on practice courts.
IMO she should have played some minor tournament, play against a few weaker opponents
On the other hand, I'm really positive about Zurich. I'm sure this is the perfect time for Ana to shine once again :D
Ajde

bruce goose
Oct 12th, 2008, 01:29 PM
IMO she should have played some minor tournament, play against a few weaker opponents
Makiri played a bigger ITF tournament(100 K maybe) at the end of last year and won it,and she has played fairly well this year at times(by HER inconsistent standards),winning a couple Tier 4 tourneys....Perhaps Ana should do the same after YEC???

gaviotabr
Oct 12th, 2008, 01:39 PM
Sven is a remarkable coach, that's for sure but I don't think he can really help her this time. It's not about her tennis, she has no great problems with her game. It's confidence she lacks, and the only cure is winning. Her camp can certainly encourage her but it's up to Ana to get out of this slump. I'm sure she has no problems on practice courts.
IMO she should have played some minor tournament, play against a few weaker opponents
On the other hand, I'm really positive about Zurich. I'm sure this is the perfect time for Ana to shine once again :D
Ajde

I agree that the problem is confidence.. and obviously concentration. But that's something she and her team can and should work on. It's up to her.. sure! But she can get help to learn how to mantain a level of focus.. and how to believe in herself no matter what situation she is going through. Sometimes I think Ana lacks that top player pride.. to not allow herself to lose to a much lower ranked player. A coach is not only supposed to help a player with her game.. most of all a coach should be a motivator, someone to push the player to deliver her best. Sven is a great tennis coach, and he is definitely helping Ana develop her game, which still has tons of space for improvement, but I've read more than a couple of interviews from him about motivation that I totally desagree with. I'm not a tennis coach, and I can be completely wrong about this.. but he has said, for example, that after a title he wanted Ana to enjoy it as much as she could so she could get inspired for the next tournament. For me this is one of the main reasons she tanks her following tournament.. how can she focus in a competition and have the desire to win if she is still thinking about the one she just won? Puff..

I don't think that playing a minor tournament would have made any difference whatsoever.. she would have probably lost anyway.. what's happening has nothing to do with the opponent.. she lost to Julie Coin! A challenger level player! It's in her head... she gets close to winning and let's the match go.. she is not grabbing her opportunities. She could be playing Brie Whitehead or Serena Williams, I seriously doubt the result would be much different then these 3 set fiascos she has had the last few months.

gaviotabr
Oct 12th, 2008, 01:41 PM
Makiri played a bigger ITF tournament(100 K maybe) at the end of last year and won it,and she has played fairly well this year at times(by HER inconsistent standards),winning a couple Tier 4 tourneys....Perhaps Ana should do the same after YEC???

No, she shouldn't bruce. Ana has to regroup and be gunning for the big ones.. not some ITF or Tier IV. It's not like this that she will regain any confidence. She has to learn how to win a match again, and that has nothing to do with whoever she is to face.

SOA_MC
Oct 12th, 2008, 02:05 PM
Makiri played a bigger ITF tournament(100 K maybe) at the end of last year and won it,and she has played fairly well this year at times(by HER inconsistent standards),winning a couple Tier 4 tourneys....Perhaps Ana should do the same after YEC???

No that would be embarrassing. When Kirilenko played a ITF tournament it was the first part of a long term plan worked out by her coach and not because of a form slump. In many of Ana's matches she is winning a set with a few of them against top 20 players. she's not losing by scorelines of 6-2 6-0. Yes I know it's not good, Tier I competition isn't out of her league even in this slump.

gaviotabr
Oct 12th, 2008, 02:12 PM
No that would be embarrassing. When Kirilenko played a ITF tournament it was the first part of a long term plan worked out by her coach and not because of a form slump. In many of Ana's matches she is winning a set with a few of them against top 20 players. she's not losing by scorelines of 6-2 6-0. Yes I know it's not good, Tier I competition isn't out of her league even in her slump

Exactly!

And she is losing only because she can't seem to focus at the important moments. In all of her losses she won one set confortably.. and could have won another. Losing match points or failing to serve out a set twice.. that's what separated her from a win in her last 2 matches.. how can you turn that into a win is what her team should be working on, not waiting for a miracle or getting her to play a lower Tier.

Cp6uja
Oct 12th, 2008, 11:21 PM
Last thing which we (and especialy Ana) needs right now is panic or total depression. Her slow comeback and current slump is not end of the world. For me all that ITF "suggestions" to Ana at GM subforum is jokes but when i see that here on Ana forum - i take this panic seriously.

For those who dont know Ana is unique player which have better careers W/L at slams than tier-I, better W/L at tier-I than tier-II and better careers W/L at tier-II than at minors. Nobody in WTA not depending of opponent game less than Ana with her hyper-aggressive game style... which is very good when she is in good or standard mode, but realy bad when she is on bad mode. So when she is in bad mode playing against some #200 Coin will not help her at all, and nobody can garantee that she will win actualy.

Ana is currently worlds #4 ranked player and looks how played summer-mid october period of LAST 2007 SEASON all other players which atm have YEC/08 position (current TOP8):

- #1 Jelena Jankovic finished last season with 6 loses in the row (that losing strike starts in september)... but now she is in 12 matches winning strike.
- #2 Dinara Safina since Wimbledon/07 till Berlin/08 lose at 13 tournaments her opening or 2nd match out of 19 events which she played... but at 8 of her next 9 tournaments she reach atleast 4 wins at every of that events.
- #3 Serena Williams have very good start of 2007 season, but after Miami played 9 tournaments where reach only 1 SF and 4 time finished after losing her opening match... but this season she even reach #1 after USO title.
- #4 Ana Ivanovic
- #5 Elena Dementieva before october Moscow/07 have mediocre season and after 5 season she is not only first time out of TOP10, she is at one moment even out of TOP15... but look her now.
- #6 Maria Sharapova in september and october played just two tournaments and both is disappointments (at USO lose 3rd round and at Moscow opening match) but in november she reach YEC final and have fantastic first 1/3 of 2008 season.
- #7 Sveta
- #8 Vera Zvonareva have mediocre 2nd half of season with just 2 TOP30 wins after april and finished 2007 out of TOP20... but look her now.

How many of this girls comebacks from deep crisis at end of 2007 to high level of play this season playing Mickey Mouse tournaments??? Of course nobody, and nobody not back thanks to panic or depression. Ana is injury-free right now and fit, so key for comeback she will find only in herself not at some ITF tournament. If this her slump continue till end of this (great) season it's not tragedy - she have whole november and december for regrouping and to find herself again and start next season on winning mod since first week.

bruce goose
Oct 12th, 2008, 11:40 PM
Let's hope you're right about Ana's future comeback,Cp6uja,but one thing you forgot to mention is that those other players who had bad streaks didn't usually lose so uncompetitively as Ana did---nor did they typically lose to such low-ranked players.Ana set an ALL-TIME RECORD for worst performance by a reigning #1.Also,these other gals ADMITTED that they weren't playing well during their brief slumps and they mentioned how they would work on improving in certain areas,while Ana has slumped for 4 MONTHS and seems to almost fully deny that her play has dropped.She claimed that she 'had a good match' following her 53 UEs vs. Cibulkova:rolleyes:.It's not just thread viewers like ourselves,it's even tennis EXPERTS who are seriously concerned about Ana.Lastly,she's the ONLY #1 that anyone can think of who'd be so blase over her embarrassing losses.Graf,Hingis,the Williams girls,Henin....ANY of them would be angry with themselves and come out with fire in their next match after losing to nobodies such as Julie Coin or Jie Zheng...whereas Ana just appears burned out as if she doesn't wanna be there.

Let's be clear,though,I HOPE that your prediction is right about a rapid Ana comeback...it's just hard to see ANY signs of that coming soon if EVER

Nikkiri
Oct 13th, 2008, 04:28 AM
it's just hard to see ANY signs of that coming soon if EVER

:rolleyes:

dybbuk
Oct 13th, 2008, 08:42 PM
Could this forum get anymore depressing? :tape:

Nikkiri
Oct 13th, 2008, 08:44 PM
Could this forum get anymore depressing? :tape:

Ana is done! Never gonna win another match, get used to it babe.

bruce goose
Oct 13th, 2008, 09:06 PM
8 am NYC Time,5 am L.A. Time,1 pm London Time,2 pm Paris(and Zurich) Time,4 pm Moscow Time and 6 am Estado Chihuahua Time(while I leave for work)will usher in the match between Ana's potential 2nd round opponents---neither of whom she's played very often.She's faced Szavay only once and Bartoli only twice,one of them an injury default by Marion--an admirable warrior in her OWN right--and the most recent of those two matches was over three years ago.

Ana,PLEEEEZE watch the match for a smidge and THINK for a minute or two about how you'll employ your strategy for your opponent.Even the haters are apaprently starting to miss your on-court splendor;tennis just isn't the same without you:sad:

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 13th, 2008, 10:28 PM
when is ana's first match????



don't give up hope....ana wouldn't have won RG if she wasn't a true champ....she will rise :dance:

jonnyroyale_13
Oct 13th, 2008, 11:26 PM
when is ana's first match????


Wednesday probably, and its going to be a happy fuc%!ng day , g@dd&mn!t.:fiery:
Ajde!!!:armed:

SOA_MC
Oct 14th, 2008, 12:01 AM
Wednesday probably, and its going to be a happy fuc%!ng day , g@dd&mn!t.:fiery:
Ajde!!!:armed:

Actually I think Ana will play Thursday because Bartoli Szavay play on Tuesday

jelenacg
Oct 14th, 2008, 12:07 AM
Wednesday probably, and its going to be a happy fuc%!ng day , g@dd&mn!t.:fiery:
Ajde!!!:armed:

:haha::haha:
Ajde Ana :armed::armed:

gaviotabr
Oct 14th, 2008, 01:23 PM
Ana will be playing Marion Bartoli in the second round. Bartoli just beat Szavay 6-4 6-0.

Ana, please play well for 2 entire sets and win!

bruce goose
Oct 14th, 2008, 07:45 PM
Actually I think Ana will play Thursday because Bartoli Szavay play on TuesdayLooks like you were right cuz Ana's not on the schedule for tomorrow.

SOA_MC
Oct 15th, 2008, 11:20 PM
Centre Court

14:00
Jelena Jankovic (SRB) vs Flavia Pennetta (ITA)

Not Before 15:15
Katarina Srebotnik (SLO) vs Agnieszka Radwanska (POL)

Not Before 18:00
Marion Bartoli (FRA) vs Ana Ivanovic (SRB)

Not Before 20:30
Vera Zvonareva (RUS) vs Anabel Medina Garrigues (ESP)

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 16th, 2008, 11:16 AM
My friend says she wins 2-0 today and he's sure.
Most of the times he's right so be convident.

AJDE ANA!!!!

gaviotabr
Oct 16th, 2008, 11:21 AM
My friend says she wins 2-0 today and he's sure.
Most of the times he's right so be convident.

AJDE ANA!!!!

I really hope he's right!

Ajde Ana!!!

azdaja
Oct 16th, 2008, 12:07 PM
i want to see only positivity here today. ana will win! :armed:

MagicMilan
Oct 16th, 2008, 07:05 PM
6-2 6-4 :banana:
very important win, just please don't stop here :yeah:

kim86
Oct 16th, 2008, 07:07 PM
Tell me i'm not dreaming...Ana's won a match in straight sets without troubles, tie-break or drama :bounce:

I'm so happy...even just for a day :)

Rod the Bama
Oct 16th, 2008, 07:07 PM
Good win for Ana. :clap2: She looked pretty sharp for most of the match. Other than the trouble closing it out, it was a very good performance from Ana, which was much needed. This is a great start for her. :)

Nikkiri
Oct 16th, 2008, 07:19 PM
Bravo Ana :bigclap:

bruce goose
Oct 16th, 2008, 07:24 PM
WOW,Ana!:worship: Although the livestream was hijacked by worthless,waste-of-space MEN'S tennis:( the match was shown live in Britain where a Bartoli fan reported to me that,despite Marion's UEs,Ana looked VERY powerful.Normally,it'd be a bleak moment for me when Marion:hearts: loses,yet Ana's one-match revival makes it not as horrible as it WOULD be to see Marion struggle badly with her serve again....Speaking of which,Ana lost serve twice in a row late in the 2nd,and Marion had a chance to even things at 5-5;the pressure was ON...but Ana served out easily...VERY impressive.

Is there a pattern in Ana's matches where she raises her game depending on the opponent?If so,this next match with Kvitova could be scary(a 2-match winning streak would be quite re-assuring).Even if Ana loses to Venus in the semis,just making it there impressively would be cause for sufficient hope.I asked that question above cuz Ana's 3 best matches since RG have been against Bartoli,Cornet and Cibulkova...and she plays AWFULLY vs. nobodies.Granted,the Cibulkova match wasn't GREAT but it was better than almost all the others...and Cornet IS slumping terribly...but maybe it takes a tougher opponent to grab Ana's attention right now.

My problem was NEVER with mere losing;I'm a Washington Nationals fan so I'm accustomed to lousy sports teams.The AGONIZING part was in seeing Ana's mild reaction to losing,as if it didn't matter.We can't point to even ONE former(or current;JJ)#1 who was so NON-angry over badly-underachieving losses.Even many commentators,who were former top players themselves,commented that Ana appeared burned out.Perhaps she reached down within herself and finally found that BURNING,NOT lukewarm,desire to win again.IF she can consistently display a decent FRACTION of her RG greatness--not asking her to win a tourney--then I'll also bow down:worship: to any loyalists who demand patience with any future losing streaks...We can chalk it up to a quirky,frustrating aspect of Ana's personality if that happens:)

The Daviator
Oct 16th, 2008, 07:28 PM
:crazy:

Now, do the unthinkable and win *deep breath* back-to-back matches :eek: :rocker2:

DownTheLine21
Oct 16th, 2008, 08:05 PM
OMG! I forgot about the match earlier today because of midterms, but this is a fantastic win. I'm glad she got it done in two (relatively) easy sets. Maybe she can finally make something happen here?

jelenacg
Oct 16th, 2008, 08:25 PM
She won :banana::banana:
Finally good win:)

bruce goose
Oct 16th, 2008, 08:38 PM
She won :banana::banana:
Finally good win:):hug::)

Dinayer
Oct 16th, 2008, 08:46 PM
good win ana!

finally :)

good luck against Petra :awww:

doni1212
Oct 16th, 2008, 08:59 PM
OMG! I forgot about the match earlier today because of midterms, but this is a fantastic win. I'm glad she got it done in two (relatively) easy sets. Maybe she can finally make something happen here?

Yeah, I had one of my mid-terms today and I couldn't concentrate on Ana's match too.

Dexter
Oct 16th, 2008, 09:06 PM
A win! :worship: :woohoo:
Go for the double now!

gaviotabr
Oct 16th, 2008, 09:59 PM
Good Ana! A win is a win!

I'm particularly happy to see her motivating herself when she got the first match point. Like saying to herself not to miss it, to focus. I liked that. :)

bruce goose
Oct 16th, 2008, 10:03 PM
Good Ana! A win is a win!

I'm particularly happy to see her motivating herself when she got the first match point. Like saying to herself not to miss it, to focus. I liked that. :):smooch:Was watching the last 2 games of Ana's:inlove: win on YouTube when your post's e-mail prompt temporarily interrupted;)

jelenacg
Oct 16th, 2008, 10:17 PM
I just saw last two games
The ball into Anas skirt so funny:):)

SOA_MC
Oct 16th, 2008, 10:54 PM
Good win for Ana. :clap2: She looked pretty sharp for most of the match. Other than the trouble closing it out, it was a very good performance from Ana, which was much needed. This is a great start for her. :)

Ana has that problem even when in good form but happy she won:)

gaviotabr
Oct 16th, 2008, 11:07 PM
:smooch:Was watching the last 2 games of Ana's:inlove: win on YouTube when your post's e-mail prompt temporarily interrupted;)

Hi! I was also just watching the last 2 games on youtube!

I think Ana's shots lack a bit of depht in those games.. I don't know how the rest of the match went..

I just saw last two games
The ball into Anas skirt so funny:):)

That was funny! I also liked that Ana gave a fast smile, than back to business.. focused to close it out. It was a really important moment in the match, and I think she new she could not get distracted.

SOA_MC
Oct 17th, 2008, 12:16 AM
Centre Court

2:00 PM
Flavia Pennetta (ITA) vs Katarina Srebotnik (SLO)

Not Before 3:15 PM
Zvonareva or Medina Garrigues vs Victoria Azarenka (BLR)

Not Before 6:00 PM
Francesca Schiavone (ITA) vs Venus Williams (USA)

Not Before 8:30 PM
Petra Kvitova (CZE) vs Ivanovic (SRB)

SOA_MC
Oct 17th, 2008, 12:17 AM
Ajde:rocker2: lets hope this tournament is the turnaround we've been waiting for:bounce:

gaviotabr
Oct 17th, 2008, 12:24 AM
Ajde:rocker2: lets hope this tournament is the turnaround we've been waiting for:bounce:

Play well Ana and you can do it! Ajde!!

jonnyroyale_13
Oct 17th, 2008, 06:25 AM
6-2 6-4 :banana:
:banana::aparty::crazy:

Ajde:rocker2: lets hope this tournament is the turnaround we've been waiting for:bounce:

Do it Ana!:rocker2:

doni1212
Oct 17th, 2008, 02:26 PM
So she plays in about 4 hours at the earliest.
Cool, I'll be here this time! :woohoo:

DownTheLine21
Oct 17th, 2008, 04:19 PM
Ana was able to beat Kvitova before, even with the thumb injury. I hope she can easily get through today's match.

bruce goose
Oct 17th, 2008, 04:56 PM
Does anyone know:Will there be livestream of Ana's match or will it be hijacked by the unsightly bowel movement known as MEN'S tennis as it was yesterday??

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 17th, 2008, 05:06 PM
ajde ana!!!!!

dybbuk
Oct 17th, 2008, 07:58 PM
6-1 6-4

First semi since Roland Garros. :woohoo:

Dexter
Oct 17th, 2008, 08:00 PM
Into her 2nd Zurich SF. 61 64 over Kvitova. :worship:
Bring out your best against Venus! No pressure.

4 years ago they played in the same tournament. Now if only it could be as good of a display from Ana tomorrow as it was in that match... except that I'd like her to convert these SPs in the TBs. :lol:

jelenacg
Oct 17th, 2008, 08:07 PM
She won:bounce:
What happened in second set,she was up 4-1 last time i checked
Anyway i`m so happy ,finally into semifinal:)
Win or lose tomorrow it doesn`t matter this is already a big step forward:worship:of course i would love her to win

Dinayer
Oct 17th, 2008, 08:11 PM
Ana :banana:
a win is a win! :)

do your best tomorrow, like AO :drool:

ajde!

The Daviator
Oct 17th, 2008, 08:11 PM
The choke in the 2nd set was :o But well done to her for rebounding cos it could have got very messy :tape:

Like what Dex said, no pressure in this next match, and even if she loses it's against an awesome player like Vee, so I hope she goes out and swings freely and wins! :rocker2:

bruce goose
Oct 17th, 2008, 08:19 PM
Not to minimize the huge significance of a GS title,but I'm actually happier NOW than after RG.We've seen how self-confidence and poise have been major weaknesses for Ana in the past---and she may ALWAYS be somewhat streaky--yet she's finally proven to herSELF that she can rise up from the darkest stretches in her career...and THIS will benefit her in ways that you can't even measure.Will there be other losing streaks in the future?Probably not like this PAST one,but there'll likely be others(even if you DO slip,Ana,NO MORE 'burnout' worries,I promise:worship:).When they occur,Ana will be able to look back on overcoming the void of June-October 2008,and she'll have the strength to persevere.

As for tomorrow,Ana should PRO'BLY start serving a bit better to beat Venus;),but VW hasn't been at her peak,either.Ana has beaten her before and I won't be angry at all if she takes an ass-whupping in this semi.However,this is a strange,wild time;Ana hasn't been playing well for more than these last 2 matches,yet these longer demonstrations of her old form make you believe that ANYthing's possible.:) AJDE,ANA!!:bounce::bounce::bounce:

doni1212
Oct 17th, 2008, 08:21 PM
Good job, Ana!!! Now, let's take it one step further and reach the finals, :rocker2:

DownTheLine21
Oct 17th, 2008, 08:30 PM
Great win. Once again, it looks like she played a great first set and then a patchy second one. The last time she played Petra, she struggled to win it in three sets, so this definitely shows that she's improving. Good luck tomorrow! I'm so excited because I'll be able to see the match on television! I haven't seen Ana play since basically the USO.

kim86
Oct 17th, 2008, 08:31 PM
Good win...a little bit worried in the second set, after she wasted an advantage of 4-1...

But two wins in a row in straight sets it's a good result.

Tomorrow against Venus a win or a lost doesn't matter, she is a great opponent ;)

bruce goose
Oct 17th, 2008, 09:14 PM
Great win.Good luck tomorrow! I'm so excited because I'll be able to see the match on television! I haven't seen Ana play since basically the USO.Lucky you!! I'm hoping there'll be livestream.In MY country,ESPN Deportes wants to show boring-ass soccer 24/7 so WE had a RE-RUN of a 0-0 draw between Portugal and Albania instead of Ana's match yesterday...and then they switched to MEN'S F--KING TENNIS as a public service to all the insomnia sufferers...I guess there weren't any chess tournaments they could televise:rolleyes:....MAYBE,because it's Ana and Venus,the rocket scientists will realize that people want to watch it...I hope

gaviotabr
Oct 18th, 2008, 12:03 AM
Good Ana! Back to back wins!!

Now, please, no more mental letdowns during a match! Keep the intensity up from the very first point til the last! Focus!

Do your best against Venus!

I think the best game plan against Venus is to be consistent, try to rally with her.. change directions.. ware her out a bit. Venus loves pace.. if Ana tries to overpower her, than Venus will actually feed her shots from the pace. Just be consistent, exchange shots, and go for a big forehand or backhand with the right ball.

SOA_MC
Oct 18th, 2008, 12:38 AM
Centre Court

13:30
Flavia Pennetta (ITA) vs Anabel Medina Garrigues (ESP)

Not Before 15:00
Venus Williams (USA) vs Ana Ivanovic (SRB)

Black (ZIM)/Huber (RSA) vs Kirilenko (RUS)/Pennetta (ITA)

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 18th, 2008, 03:41 AM
*squeak* :banana:

SOA_MC
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:52 AM
Maybe Zurich livestream? but I'm not sure if it works:unsure:

http://feeds.feedburner.com/wtatennis

Dexter
Oct 18th, 2008, 10:28 AM
Crappy draw in Linz. Ana is the top seed and takes on the winner of Schiavone vs Bammer in the 2nd round. Pennetta is looming for the QFs.

azdaja
Oct 18th, 2008, 10:30 AM
2 wins in a row! :woohoo:

but i want another title. come on, ana :bigclap:

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 18th, 2008, 10:52 AM
Ana always makes the QF when I'm there and now it's the 4th SF in 7 tournaments.
No set lost so far, but I can' t say I'm happy with the play.
The OOP said she had to play Kvitova but she played Santa Claus instead.
I haven't seen the aggressive Ana I know yet. More defending than attacking.
I must say she defends well but we know that's not her style.
Venus will crush her if she plays like this again, or Venus must make a lot of errors.
Ana's serve is a + point and hopefully it will work well today.
At least we have another SF since RG but Bartoli and Kvitova were gracious.

Anyway, AJDE Ana!!

Pics will follow later.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 18th, 2008, 10:53 AM
About the predictions. That friend of mine was right about the 2-0.
I got nothing yesterday.
I wear the same thing in the last 2 days cause Ana won.
Now he says that if I don't do it again, Ana will win for sure.

babuska6
Oct 18th, 2008, 11:14 AM
Wow,well done Anci,finally good results...Now let's fight against Venus..I will cross u my fingers ;)

bruce goose
Oct 18th, 2008, 11:19 AM
No set lost so far, but I can' t say I'm happy with the play.
The OOP said she had to play Kvitova but she played Santa Claus instead.
I haven't seen the aggressive Ana I know yet. More defending than attacking.
I must say she defends well but we know that's not her style.
Venus will crush her if she plays like this again, or Venus must make a lot of errors.
Sjoerd,I know that you only want the best for Ana,but are you sure that you aren't being too demanding here?I agree that Ana played defensively in her final games against Bartoli...but earlier in the match,too?In her post-match comments,Marion said that Ana attacked her VERY well and put her on the defensive so that she couldn't play her game most of the match.Unless Marion's going insane,Ana must've done at least FAIRLY well....With Kvitova,I can't comment

bruce goose
Oct 18th, 2008, 01:57 PM
Cheesed--k Nadal is serving for the match in front of his HOME crowd but he CAN'T close it out:rolleyes:.I never imagined I'd be cheering for him yet want him to win cuz that means that MEN'S f--king tennis will be OVER for the day and the livestream can focus on Ana vs. Venus as it SHOULD!!!Do we have ANY livestream at all?????

bruce goose
Oct 18th, 2008, 02:45 PM
Well,I was wrong...the Nadal match on TV was "highlights" from yesterday apparently....I know this because we had FIVE lousy minutes of livestream with Ana and Venus until the nymphomaniac programming manager decided that she wanted to see effeminate-looking douchebags Simon and Nadal:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

HowEVER,I'm nOT so upset when I see Ana rallying from 0-3 down to be so competitive with a fierce opponent like Venus.The stats show that Venus is serving terribly but numbers don't always tell the whole story;perhaps Venus is pressing because she's facing a hard-hitting foe who can defeat her even when she's playing well.Sjoerd can give us a pretty good match summary later but I'm VERY happy with Ana's effort regardless of this match's outcome.Even if Venus IS serving terribly,she would beat 95% of her opponents without much trouble so THIS is major progress IMO:)

bruce goose
Oct 18th, 2008, 03:12 PM
"Justin TV" is providing livestream so SOMEbody has their priorities in order:woohoo: Sjoerd might disagree but Ana is destroying many of Venus's second serves and shorter balls so the pressure is dEFINITELY on Venus.Some Venus apologists and Ana haters will say how she's missing shots...blah,blah,blah...but there not telling the whole story cuz Ana is FORCING Venus to go for more.

bruce goose
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:00 PM
Well,Ana made 3 errors in this last game to get broken for 6-4,3-6,3-4,but she's REALLY making Venus work and is overpowering her on MANY shots.Even if she loses this match--which is likely with Venus' improved serving--she has TRULY proven herself ready to compete at a high level.:)

bruce goose
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:09 PM
Made THREE UEs to go down triple match point...and then simply outplayed Venus on the next 5 points...I'm proud of her:) as many gals would've mentally lost it then...:bounce:

Dexter
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:17 PM
Ana lost 64 36 46. But it was by far the best performance since RG. I'm really proud how she fought out there. Would've been an awesome comeback to her already impressive resume, but it's a fine result. I mean who would've dreamt about taking Venus to 3 one week ago?
Onto Linz!

dybbuk
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:22 PM
I'm disappointed because she fought so hard, but still, this match was such a positive loss. There were a few things she could have done better, the backhand could have been better, too many netted backhands and it became predictable when it get go over the net, but she really tried as hard as she could and her game is coming back together.

She would have beaten just about anyone else. Venus' serve was just too amazing in that third set, it was impossible for Ana to have maintained the kind of focus she needed when Venus was racing through her own service games with huge serve after huge serve. The serving and forehand, and couple of cheeky drop volleys was shades of the old Ana that won a Slam though, so can only be hopeful going forward into Linz and Doha. :yeah:

The Daviator
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:30 PM
Yeah, good match, did herself proud, Vee was serving way too good, hope she works more on the BH, too many still landing in the bottom of the net.

Now win Linz! :rocker2:

bruce goose
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:39 PM
Serena does this a LOT more than Venus does,but sometimes after the match--even they play their best--a Williams girl says:"Oh,I made a lot of mistakes out there and can play much better..." ...blah,blah,blah...bulls--t!!! Don't be fooled,Ana fans,because Venus served INCREDIBLY in the 3rd set and was sTILL in danger of losing right until the end.Only that 7th game where Ana had 3 UEs made the difference or it PRO'BLY would've gone to a TB where Ana might've taken it.Ana has beaten Venus at a Slam when VW was actually playing well withOUT tons of UEs to excuse her loss to Ana...so she KNOWS that she can beat VW and this one doesn't sting so much....If Ana can raise her 1st serve % to an acceptable,consistent level,then she'll be eXTREMELY tough to beat...She and Sven have a great foundation to build from and she now has the confidence of recovering from her darkest,most hopeless-looking period ever.AJDE ANA!!:D

Balltossovic
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:46 PM
BRING IT LINZ!

AJDE:armed:

jelenacg
Oct 18th, 2008, 05:05 PM
I didn`t watch the match but i`m happy to see that she is coming back,you really have to be at your best to beat Venus
I was afraid she will lose something like 6-2 6-4 so this is really good even if she has lost
I really think dark times are behind us :):)
Now Linz:armed::armed:

bruce goose
Oct 18th, 2008, 05:16 PM
I didn`t watch the match but i`m happy to see that she is coming back,you really have to be at your best to beat Venus
I was afraid she will lose something like 6-2 6-4 so this is really good even if she has lost
Venus is pro'bly honest enough to admit that she would've lost this match had she not been serving so excellently in the 2nd and 3rd sets...and Ana hasn't even found her most consistent form yet after months of early losses(though we know that consistency doesn't come easy for Ana;)).Other players should worry if Ana maintains this growing self-confidence cuz this was always a weak spot in the past...Linz looks good:)

Dodoboy.
Oct 18th, 2008, 05:22 PM
Well done Ana!

Good match for you i suspect

gaviotabr
Oct 18th, 2008, 06:39 PM
I'm a bit upset.. I did not see the match, but reading how close it actually was got me all bummed. She really had a chance.. if only Venus serve wasn't so on fire. I supose it wasn't meant to be...

But I guess there are a lot of positives to be taken from this week. Ana played better, got toe to toe with a top player, and had a good result for a change. I hope she can get some confidence from these matches and play really well in Linz. I really want Ana to win a title before the end of the season..

The draw from Linz could be better.. she has some in form player in her half. I just hope she can play even better than this week and fight for the title.

bruce goose
Oct 18th, 2008, 07:19 PM
I'm a bit upset.. I did not see the match, but reading how close it actually was got me all bummed. She really had a chance.. if only Venus serve wasn't so on fire. I supose it wasn't meant to be...

But I guess there are a lot of positives to be taken from this week. This might have been harmful had Ana not beaten Venus in STRAIGHT sets in the AO QF...she might've lamented,"Oh,why can't I ever beat her?"...but Ana realizes how well Venus served,and normally VW can't maintain that high level of accuracy for two whole sets without dropping off some...so Ana KNOWS that she can take Venus when she plays well in most all cases.

What should encourage you is how well Ana fought off break points;it was triple match point at 3-5 and Ana simply SMACKED Venus off the court in winning the next 5 points in forcing VW to serve it out.Unfortunately,Venus was saved by her serve in the deciding game but it won't always be there to bail her out as it was today.IF,that's IF,Ana maintains close to this level in Linz,then she'll win that tourney.:bounce::bounce::bounce:

DownTheLine21
Oct 18th, 2008, 08:16 PM
While I would have liked to see her win, I actually think this is an extremely positive performance. In my mind, the slump should be over after this week. I hope she can do some damage at the YEC.

gaviotabr
Oct 18th, 2008, 09:58 PM
I was watching some of the match.. and Ana did play well, despite some weird unforced errors. Venus also played better than I've seen her play since Wimbledon. I think Ana is a good match up for her as Venus tends to have more trouble with loopy high balls or slices than the flat ones. Ana usually hits pretty flat and with a lot of pace, which Venus likes and feeds her shots from. But Ana definitely played a good match, and I liked to see that she went for some big forehands.

Now, there are some points that she needs to work on. First the consistency. Ana would hit an amazing winner and in the next point dump an easy shot into the net. I guess this will come with more matches. Second the backhand. I think it can still improve a lot, and be a more reliable shot. Ana has to work on her footwork going into a backhand as it is usually sloppy and that makes it harder for herself to hit a proper shot. And third, she really needs to work on her returns. Venus is a great server, there is no doubt of that. She is probably, together with Serena, the best server on the tour. She usually can't keep serving well for an entire match, but this time she did.. not only she did but she actually improved as the match went on. But Ana could have returned some of the serves she didn't. There were some body serves that she could be a little bit faster moving away from it to return.. and some others that she could simply slice back instead of trying to make a regular shot. Ana is great at punishing second serves, but she needs to learn how to deal with big, hard first serves like Venus'.

Lots of positives from this match though.. as Ana also showed some of her fighting spirit. It seems that she really likes this tournament and really wanted to win... Pity there won't be a Zurich Open next year. I hope she takes this motivation and desire to Linz.

bruce goose
Oct 18th, 2008, 10:05 PM
:smooch: You can change the 2nd part of your sig if you want,Gavi;I think that Ana has risen now:D

gaviotabr
Oct 18th, 2008, 10:08 PM
:smooch: You can change the 2nd part of your sig if you want,Gavi;I think that Ana has risen now:D

I'll change when Ana wins another title! :p

bruce goose
Oct 18th, 2008, 10:10 PM
I'll change when Ana wins another title! :pChica brasilen~a testaruda!!:p

gaviotabr
Oct 18th, 2008, 10:13 PM
Chica brasilen~a testaruda!!:p

:banghead: :lol:

I'm very proud of Ana though!

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 18th, 2008, 10:34 PM
:sobbing: oh man.....but its better than all the results since RG so i'll take it as a positive :)

kim86
Oct 18th, 2008, 11:06 PM
I've got a question for you:

Does anybody of you ever think that Ana may play one-handed backhand?

Because i noticed that she doesn't use the left hand as the leading one, and she has a lot of sensibility in her right hand. I think that it would be a good change, but i'm afraid it's too late...