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The Kaz
Sep 28th, 2008, 01:52 PM
...of players who has titles in all 5 tiers (I-V)

Tier I: Charleston, Rome x 2
Tier II: Beijing
Tier III: Birmingham
Tier IV: Auckland
Tier V: Budapest

Other players known to achieve this feat are Alicia Molik and Dinara Safina


Well Done Janky :rocker:

simplydeep
Sep 28th, 2008, 01:56 PM
and no grandslam to all the players in this feat hmmmmm

xcrtbckhnd
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:00 PM
Great accomplishment, but do they even have Tier 5's anymore?

Il Primo!
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:01 PM
...of players who has titles in all 5 tiers (I-V)

Tier I: Charleston, Rome x 2
Tier II: Beijing
Tier III: Birmingham
Tier IV: Auckland
Tier V: Budapest

Other players known to achieve this feat are Alicia Molik and Dinara Safina


Well Done Janky :rocker:

It just lacks the thing called Grande Flam or something, blah, it's just a detail.

serenus_2k8
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:02 PM
:lol: If only Ree had won some more Tier IVs... perhaps she wouldnt be stuck with a pathetic 9 slams.

mashamaniac
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:03 PM
What's the importance of this exclusive group?? do they award anything to these girls??

Destiny
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:04 PM
Yeah Come on JJ GET IN THEIR

Costanza
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:06 PM
:lol: If only Ree had won some more Tier IVs... perhaps she wouldnt be stuck with a pathetic 9 slams.

:lol:

The Kaz
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:07 PM
:rolleyes: at people reactions.

This is NOT about being the best, more its just an interesting statistic, especially since not many players achieve this feat.

OsloErik
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:09 PM
And it's a feat that can't be accomplished ever again, as the Tier V has been discontinued and the Tier system will be retired at the end of the year.

hingis-seles
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:09 PM
That's cool. And ofcourse, this thread wouldn't be complete without the rampant paranoia from representatives of certain fanbases. ;)

JJ seems to be driving everyone on TF crazy in 2008. Ajde! Hehe.

OsloErik
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:10 PM
Another interesting note: Molik only won FIVE titles in her career, and they all came at the different Tier levels.

enchantrezz
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:11 PM
wow, thanks for the stats ;)

The Kaz
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:12 PM
Another interesting note: Molik only won FIVE titles in her career, and they all came at the different Tier levels.

I know...

Thats even more weird :scared:

iPatty
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:12 PM
JJ will become the last player to do so, as Erik pointed out.

Cool achievement. :yeah:

OsloErik
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:17 PM
JJ will become the last player to do so, as Erik pointed out.

Cool achievement. :yeah:

It's theoretically possible for Vaidisova to do it, and maybe a few others as well, but it's most likely that Jankovic will round out this bizarre, small group. It's quirky because you have to be good enough to win a Tier I, but a lot of players who are that good skip over the lower Tier events, even when they're young. Sharapova never played a Tier V as best I can tell, and only a few Tier IVs. Same with the Williams sisters.

Ciarán
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:38 PM
JJ :yeah:

InsideOut.
Sep 28th, 2008, 03:59 PM
Bizarre :eek:

Ana never played a Tier IV so she can't possibly be part of this group. :lol: She played one Tier V and won it dropping just one set, as qualifier. :)

The Daviator
Sep 28th, 2008, 04:05 PM
L-Dav has -

GS
YEC
Olympic Gold
Tier I
Tier II
Tier III
Tier IV
Fed Cup
Hopman Cup

Wow! :D

Ellery
Sep 28th, 2008, 04:30 PM
Jelena :D

Davodus
Sep 28th, 2008, 04:38 PM
L-Dav has -

GS
YEC
Olympic Gold
Tier I
Tier II
Tier III
Tier IV
Fed Cup
Hopman Cup

Wow! :D

lindsay :yeah:

danieln1
Sep 28th, 2008, 06:09 PM
L-Dav has -

GS
YEC
Olympic Gold
Tier I
Tier II
Tier III
Tier IV
Fed Cup
Hopman Cup

Wow! :D

That´s an exclusive group! No need for a tier V in her resume

Geisha
Sep 28th, 2008, 06:10 PM
Serena has:

Australian Open x3
French Open x1
Wimbledon x2
US Open x3
YEC
Miami x5
Indian Wells
Rome
OG x2

doni1212
Sep 28th, 2008, 06:15 PM
L-Dav has -

GS
YEC
Olympic Gold
Tier I
Tier II
Tier III
Tier IV
Fed Cup
Hopman Cup

Wow! :D

Serena has:

Australian Open x3
French Open x1
Wimbledon x2
US Open x3
YEC
Miami x5
Indian Wells
Rome
OG x2

Both of these ladies are amazing!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 28th, 2008, 08:36 PM
:rolleyes: at people reactions.

This is NOT about being the best, more its just an interesting statistic, especially since not many players achieve this feat.

because most of top-players didn't bother to play tier V even when they were teens.

faboozadoo15
Sep 28th, 2008, 09:52 PM
That´s an exclusive group! No need for a tier V in her resume

Are there any tier 5's to be played this season? Davenport should just go there and further inflate her title count.

frenchie
Sep 28th, 2008, 09:57 PM
Myskina
GS : Rolang Garros
Tier 1 : Moscow X2
Tier 2 : Leipzig, Bahia, Doha
Tier 3 : Kolkata, Doha
tier 4 : Sarasota
Tier 5 : Palermo
Fed Cup

The Daviator
Sep 28th, 2008, 10:02 PM
Are there any tier 5's to be played this season? Davenport should just go there and further inflate her title count.

Well, it is what Monica did at the end of her career.

Dave.
Sep 28th, 2008, 10:10 PM
Are there any tier 5's to be played this season? Davenport should just go there and further inflate her title count.

Davenport never played a Tier V in career. The vast majority of her titles are big ones. There's no "inflation" in her title count. She fully deserves to be where she is on the all-time list.

faboozadoo15
Sep 28th, 2008, 10:51 PM
To my knowledge, Seles only played one tier 4 in her entire career, winning in Shanghai in 2001. She only played there because they moved the YEC to Germany, where she doesn't play. Davenport has played as many lower tier events in the last five years as Seles played in her whole career (which is saying something because Seles started playing when tier 3's on the VS tour were obligatory). I even think Davenport plans to end her year in Luxembourg, another tier 3. Lower tiers will comprise a third of her 2008.

OsloErik
Sep 28th, 2008, 11:03 PM
Serena has:

...

OG x2

No she doesn't! She has NEVER won an Olympic Gold in singles.

Crazy Geisha, if doubles counted in this the list would be much more complicated!

Dave.
Sep 28th, 2008, 11:10 PM
Lindsay can play as many Tier III's as she wants right now, it doesn't take away from the fact that she's been one of the most successful players in higher tier events in the last decade and more. It's not as if she has ever relied on lower tier events to get titles or wins.

The Daviator
Sep 28th, 2008, 11:13 PM
To my knowledge, Seles only played one tier 4 in her entire career, winning in Shanghai in 2001. She only played there because they moved the YEC to Germany, where she doesn't play. Davenport has played as many lower tier events in the last five years as Seles played in her whole career (which is saying something because Seles started playing when tier 3's on the VS tour were obligatory). I even think Davenport plans to end her year in Luxembourg, another tier 3. Lower tiers will comprise a third of her 2008.

In the last 5 years, Lindsay has played roughly 8 lower Tier events, and you're saying that is less than Seles in her whole career when she's listed as having won 10 lower Tier events?

faboozadoo15
Sep 28th, 2008, 11:38 PM
Lindsay can play as many Tier III's as she wants right now, it doesn't take away from the fact that she's been one of the most successful players in higher tier events in the last decade and more. It's not as if she has ever relied on lower tier events to get titles or wins.

I never said any of these things. Truth is, for whatever reason, Davenport has been lapping up the lower tiers these days.

faboozadoo15
Sep 28th, 2008, 11:45 PM
In the last 5 years, Lindsay has played roughly 8 lower Tier events, and you're saying that is less than Seles in her whole career when she's listed as having won 10 lower Tier events?

Tier 3's used to be obligatory in the late 80's and early 90's. That's not really a fair basis of comparison. Seles played tier 3's against Graf, ASV, Evert, Navratilova, Capriati, Novotna, MJF, Martinez, and the Maleeva's. They were not considered lower tier events in those days by any means.

Drake1980
Sep 28th, 2008, 11:48 PM
That is so cool! Jelena!:D
Hopefully she adds The WTA Championships to that list in November.

Dave.
Sep 28th, 2008, 11:52 PM
I never said any of these things. Truth is, for whatever reason, Davenport has been lapping up the lower tiers these days.

Ok, but with or without the lower tier events, her title count is still above all active players.

Lindsay has beaten Jankovic, Hantuchova, Zvonareva, Wozniak and Wozniacki in lower tiers since her comeback anyway. These 4 titles she has won have all been well earned victories.

The Daviator
Sep 28th, 2008, 11:58 PM
I never said any of these things. Truth is, for whatever reason, Davenport has been lapping up the lower tiers these days.

Cos she's getting older, she's earned the right to play in as many MMs as she wants, she won't be winning Tier Is/GS anymore so why not.

Anyway, if you take away all her smaller titles, she still has 42 'big' titles.

faboozadoo15
Sep 29th, 2008, 12:07 AM
I think you guys are misunderstanding what my points were in this thread. I think having won every type of title IS a unique distinction. She'd be the only won with the olympics, majors, and YEC to have completed the tier sweep. She's been playing a lot of lower tier events lately, why not play a tier 5? Maybe there'd be some appearance $$$ too.

BTW, she has played a tier 5, twice. Some tourney called OTB that is played in New York.

fouc
Sep 29th, 2008, 12:12 AM
what is Tier V?

Dave.
Sep 29th, 2008, 12:31 AM
I think you guys are misunderstanding what my points were in this thread. I think having won every type of title IS a unique distinction. She'd be the only won with the olympics, majors, and YEC to have completed the tier sweep. She's been playing a lot of lower tier events lately, why not play a tier 5? Maybe there'd be some appearance $$$ too.

BTW, she has played a tier 5, twice. Some tourney called OTB that is played in New York.

Tier V's were abolished ages ago so it's impossible for anyone to complete the tier sweep now.

Yeah, Schenectady, it was her debut event in 1991. That is the only Tier V maindraw she played in her career.

And in your original post you said that Davenport's title count was inflated (by lower tiered events), which it is not. That was my point.

Uranium
Sep 29th, 2008, 12:40 AM
what is Tier V?

Nothing anymore:p

Venus can also be considered apart of an elite group:
She has won GS, Tiers I, II, III, and IV.;)

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 29th, 2008, 01:12 AM
Myskina
GS : Rolang Garros
Tier 1 : Moscow X2
Tier 2 : Leipzig, Bahia, Doha
Tier 3 : Kolkata, Doha
tier 4 : Sarasota
Tier 5 : Palermo
Fed Cup

Wrong.
Palermo was a Tier IV when Myskina won it in 1999. She never played a Tier V in her career.

delicatecutter
Sep 29th, 2008, 05:07 AM
It's a fun stat more than anything else, but YAY JECA!! :worship:

The much more interesting stat is that Sveta is like 9-23 or whatever in finals. Girl needs to get her head together!

simplydeep
Sep 29th, 2008, 09:41 AM
JJ is not the goat, not even close, its grea that she won tiers 1-5 but her tennis can be taken apart be the bigger ball hitters and the one that can cut her half soft first serve into pieces. JJ games is based on returning until the cows come home, she does have a great b.h up the line but that is all. Not impressing at all she needs much more to her game if she wants to be 1 for a while not just a few days

SV_Fan
Sep 29th, 2008, 10:28 AM
I have always wondered what was a tier V? Can someone explain it? I always thought it wet up to Tier IV

ivanban
Sep 29th, 2008, 10:39 AM
I have always wondered what was a tier V? Can someone explain it? I always thought it wet up to Tier IV

Tier V is basically what Forest Hills and Tashkent are now ;)

Bruno71
Sep 29th, 2008, 10:53 AM
I have always wondered what was a tier V? Can someone explain it? I always thought it wet up to Tier IV

Tier V's used to be the lowest but they got rid of that designation a few year's back.