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joćo.
Sep 26th, 2008, 11:50 AM
What's wrong with her? :sad: I haven't been following tennis a lot lately and she keeps losing in early rounds everytime I check the results. It's not my intention to create a hater thread or something, I'm just curious what's wrong atm. Is it still the injury in her finger or something? :confused:

Philbo
Sep 26th, 2008, 11:55 AM
Its all mental with her now. She reached number 1 too soon. Her mind couldnt handle the pressure. Now players come out against her and know she is 'playing with fear' i.e instead of playing to win the match, she is playing not to lose it and at this level, that slight shift in mentality makes all the difference..

I see her tumbling down the ranking for some time to come.. At least until she has fallen so far that she starts to come back out on court again NOT expected to win.. Then she can start to rediscover the game that got her to where she was... the top of the game..

gaviotabr
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:00 PM
Well.. you can expect to have a lot of answers from Ana haters, since this forum is filled with Ana haters anyway.

Ana's problem right now is total lack of confidence, total lack of belief. She can play really well one moment and terrible the very next, since her whole game is based on confidence, it's a very low percentage type of tennis. When she isn't confident about her shots, she misses more than hit winners. That has led her to be very unsure of herself, especially in crucial points. She had her fair share of chances to beat Zheng today, serving for the first set twice, but couldn't.

It's all partially conected with a bad thumb injury she had, that prevented her from holding a racquet for a month. But I think that it messed with her head more than anything else.

^bibi^
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:05 PM
Well.. you can expect to have a lot of answers from Ana haters, since this forum is filled with Ana haters anyway.

I quite agree with that :) Nonetheless, it's indeed an interesting topic.

So, I'll start this thread by reminding everybody that player bashing, whoever they are, won't be tolerated :wavey:

gaviotabr
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:06 PM
Its all mental with her now. She reached number 1 too soon. Her mind couldnt handle the pressure. Now players come out against her and know she is 'playing with fear' i.e instead of playing to win the match, she is playing not to lose it and at this level, that slight shift in mentality makes all the difference..

I see her tumbling down the ranking for some time to come.. At least until she has fallen so far that she starts to come back out on court again NOT expected to win.. Then she can start to rediscover the game that got her to where she was... the top of the game..

I hope the last part of your post does not come true, but it is an interesting analisys. I also think it's mental, and it actually worries me that all she says is that it's a matter of lack of match play. Ana used to be great when serving for a set or a match, now she just falters in those situations. Her break point conversion has been terrible in her losses... her last 4 were matches that she lost the first set, won the second, had chances in the third but eventually couldn't take them. Those are moments of pressure she doesn't seem to be coping well with right now. I do think the injury played a part in it, as she clearly couldn't hit a proper forehand. She shouldn't have played through it, it messed up with her head more than anything.

Sharapowerr
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:04 PM
The confidence is gone..

Malva
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:07 PM
So, I'll start this thread by reminding everybody that player bashing, whoever they are, won't be tolerated :wavey:

That would be so refreshing! If the moderators were taking their responsibilities more seriously, i.e., if they were doing what they are supposed to do, this forum would have a much saner atmosphere, and people would be meeting here united by their enjoyment of tennis rather than petty hatred towards the players, or each other.

^bibi^
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:18 PM
That would be so refreshing! If the moderators were taking their responsibilities more seriously, i.e., if they were doing what they are supposed to do, this forum would have a much saner atmosphere, and people would be meeting here united by their enjoyment of tennis rather than petty hatred towards the players, or each other.

That's what we're trying to do and why there were additional ods hired a few weeks ago.. Now we're mods, not magicians :p

Malva
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:25 PM
That's what we're trying to do and why there were additional ods hired a few weeks ago.. Now we're mods, not magicians :p

Thank you for responding, ^bibi^! I was very glad to see that finally, at least one moderator raised this important issue, and I wanted to tell you how much I would appreciate if the moderators do more in the future to show that bashing the players and hatred will not be tolerated in the forum.

Kworb
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:30 PM
Her problem is that she lacks the technical foundation to still play decently even in tougher times. She either plays well or she plays like crap; there's no "just getting by" when you play like she does. Something needs to click and then she'll play like a top 10 player again. When/if that will happen remains to be seen.

Adal
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:34 PM
I think it all started with an injury. Then she made some wrong decisions like entering the tournaments when she wasn't ready, which resulted in a few bad losses. Less confidence, more pressure.

LudwigDvorak
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:51 PM
Thank you for responding, ^bibi^! I was very glad to see that finally, at least one moderator raised this important issue, and I wanted to tell you how much I would appreciate if the moderators do more in the future to show that bashing the players and hatred will not be tolerated in the forum.

But hate makes the world go round. :sad:

I'd say it's two things.

1.) Losing to Dementieva twice this year LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
2.) Thumb injury screwed up her mojo after RG, now she's struggling to find her form. It could be mental I suppose, I just think the thumb happened at the worst possible time.

Noctis
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:52 PM
We got a thread already

kwilliams
Sep 26th, 2008, 03:09 PM
I'm interested to know if a player has ever gone on such a bad streak directly after winning their first grand slam? I think her post FO 08 win will be a much talked about period of her career in the future...I think.

wild.river
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:19 PM
I hope the last part of your post does not come true, but it is an interesting analisys. I also think it's mental, and it actually worries me that all she says is that it's a matter of lack of match play. Ana used to be great when serving for a set or a match, now she just falters in those situations. Her break point conversion has been terrible in her losses... her last 4 were matches that she lost the first set, won the second, had chances in the third but eventually couldn't take them. Those are moments of pressure she doesn't seem to be coping well with right now. I do think the injury played a part in it, as she clearly couldn't hit a proper forehand. She shouldn't have played through it, it messed up with her head more than anything.

i can see it though. she has a shit load of points to defend in the 1st half of the season and virtually nothing in the 2nd half. so if she doesnt come through from jan until june-ish she's gonna tumble until she builds up again from wimbledon.

Tennisstar86
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:23 PM
i can see it though. she has a shit load of points to defend in the 1st half of the season and virtually nothing in the 2nd half. so if she doesnt come through from jan until june-ish she's gonna tumble until she builds up again from wimbledon.

I think its a safe bet to say she will tumble in the ranking until wimbledon. Now the question is just how far will she go? cause even if she gets it together. with the way shes ended this year.... Doubtful she'll defend her finalist points at the Ao or her Win at the FO... thats 1700 points right there ALONE... Quarterfinal appearences in both events while Respectable will only get her 500 points total...... I wont be shocked if Ana is not top ten come wimbledon.

wild.river
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:34 PM
plus 500 points from her IW win.
yeah, i'm thinking around 16-17 sadly.

pov
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:35 PM
That would be so refreshing! If the moderators were taking their responsibilities more seriously, i.e., if they were doing what they are supposed to do, this forum would have a much saner atmosphere, and people would be meeting here united by their enjoyment of tennis rather than petty hatred towards the players, or each other.
:yeah: That would be great!!

kinglear
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:43 PM
Don't worry. At least her loss to Zie was a three-setter this time. And the last set was a pretty close. The difference between players like Zie and Ana is that Ana will bounce back from losses and win more Slams while Zie will cause upsets, but not win much more. Just like when Coin upset Ana at the US Open; do you really think we're going to hear much more from Coin? No! haha Just like Sharapova had a bad end of 2007 and she bounced back at the Year-end championships. I have no doubts that Ana will win more Slams and big tournaments.The only thing is she won't be as consistent. ;)

pov
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:44 PM
I'm not a big Ivanovic fan. Still, all she needs is one solid performance and a slight change of perspective to get back on her game.

wild.river
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:46 PM
:yeah: That would be great!!

:eek: post 666.

Vaidisova Ruled
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:50 PM
Ana is nowhere leaving the top 10 anytime soon.
Before the end of the year she will be playing like a top 5 player and I'm sure she will make the semifinal at the AO 2009 at least. There is nothing to worry about.

Noctis
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:52 PM
This is like a

The Fall Cometh: Ana Ivanovic Version 2 More boring

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:53 PM
I'm interested to know if a player has ever gone on such a bad streak directly after winning their first grand slam?

Sharapova went into minislump after winning Wimbledon:
QF at San Diego (lost to Myskina)
3R at Canada (lost to Zvonareva)
1R at New Haven (lost to Washington)
3R at US Open (lost to Pierce)
SF at Beijing (lost to Kuznetsova)

Majoli struggled to find her form after winning FO failing to reach a Tour final for tne next 41 months.

Just like Ivanovic, Myskina lost in the third round at Wimbledon and in the second round at USO after winning Roland Garros but she made it to the final at San Diego and semis at Canada and Olympics.

Dave.
Sep 26th, 2008, 05:45 PM
The thumb injury certainly derailed her, but I think it's mainly been a case of getting used to being the best player in the world and handling the new pressure. Other have struggled with the same thing when they break through to a new level (perhaps not to this extent but still). After her breakthrough 2005 season she sort of leveled off in 2006. In her first slam final she froze, but a year later was the champion. I believe this slump will just take it's course (maybe till the end of the season) but she will be back stronger than ever, and the next time she won't react like she has done now.

Tamus
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:03 PM
Sharapova went into minislump after winning Wimbledon:
QF at San Diego (lost to Myskina)
3R at Canada (lost to Zvonareva)
1R at New Haven (lost to Washington)
3R at US Open (lost to Pierce)
SF at Beijing (lost to Kuznetsova)

That wasn't really a slump and is in no way comparable to what Ana is currently going through. Those were some very quality players that Maria lost to; the same could not be said about the players Ana is currently losing to. Also, Maria's grasscourt run that year kind of came out of nowhere; expecting her to immediately back up those results wouldn't have been very realistic.

friendsita
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:17 PM
thanks god I don't waist my time hatin' her... sad peoplo lol

theDreamer
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:45 PM
Her problem is that she lacks the technical foundation to still play decently even in tougher times. She either plays well or she plays like crap; there's no "just getting by" when you play like she does. Something needs to click and then she'll play like a top 10 player again. When/if that will happen remains to be seen.

I disagree. I think her technical foundation is ok. The no. 1
problem that I can see is her movement. It is pretty good now, but it's not exceptional like Henin, Serena, Venus etc. To be able to stay at the top of the game consistently, I think you need that. Why?
Because on some days, you won't be timing the ball as well or won't be as confident, and with the greatest players, on those days, their defense really comes into play - they get a few extra balls back, giving the opponent who's having a great day more time to begin to doubt herself. Having a great defense gives a player more breathing room, more options to take something off her shots to keep them in, more time to play herself into form.

Against someone like Jie who is so agressive and can hit the angles, you need exceptional movement or it will be a battle (unless you're really in form with your groundstrokes).

I love Ivanovic's game (when she's playing well), but because of the above, I've resigned myself to the fact that she won't really dominate the tour like the greatest players, so I'll have to endure many losses like today's.

On the technical side though, I guess there's something about her service action that means she's not getting as many cheap points as she should off it.

Emina.
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:46 PM
thanks god I don't waist my time hatin' her... sad peoplo lol

:lol:

Costanza
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:47 PM
I think its a safe bet to say she will tumble in the ranking until wimbledon. Now the question is just how far will she go? cause even if she gets it together. with the way shes ended this year.... Doubtful she'll defend her finalist points at the Ao or her Win at the FO... thats 1700 points right there ALONE... Quarterfinal appearences in both events while Respectable will only get her 500 points total...... I wont be shocked if Ana is not top ten come wimbledon.

I think that Sharapova is in real danger of loosing massive amount of points.Not playing 2008 YEC(525 points),AO 2009(biq question,is she will be
on fire like 2008) and last,Doha tournament(465 points) moved to end of october, becoming Sony Ericson Championships.

The Daviator
Sep 26th, 2008, 08:17 PM
Just needs to keep on going, she works extremely hard and is very dedicated, the good results will come again.

Tennisstar86
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:32 PM
I think that Sharapova is in real danger of loosing massive amount of points.Not playing 2008 YEC(525 points),AO 2009(biq question,is she will be
on fire like 2008) and last,Doha tournament(465 points) moved to end of october, becoming Sony Ericson Championships.

I agree, but i think Sharapova will be a good starter of the year for the rest of her Career...and then have bad endings...

Look at last year. I expected her to tumble out of the top 10, but she actual just held on to her points from the start of 07.

I'd say Ivanovic is in More danger than Sharapova at this point because Sharapova has actually proven that she can come out of a slump. Ana has not.

Costanza
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:42 PM
I agree, but i think Sharapova will be a good starter of the year for the rest of her Career...and then have bad endings...

Look at last year. I expected her to tumble out of the top 10, but she actual just held on to her points from the start of 07.

I'd say Ivanovic is in More danger than Sharapova at this point because Sharapova has actually proven that she can come out of a slump. Ana has not.

Sharapova can only lose points at AO 2009 and YEC and Doha 990 points will gone just like that.She can only gain new points in Paris and Dubai,but i doubt that she will play both events.
As for Ana slump,well, it's first major slump,let's see what will happend in Moscow.

simplydeep
Sep 26th, 2008, 10:04 PM
I disagree. I think her technical foundation is ok. The no. 1
problem that I can see is her movement. It is pretty good now, but it's not exceptional like Henin, Serena, Venus etc. To be able to stay at the top of the game consistently, I think you need that. Why?
Because on some days, you won't be timing the ball as well or won't be as confident, and with the greatest players, on those days, their defense really comes into play - they get a few extra balls back, giving the opponent who's having a great day more time to begin to doubt herself. Having a great defense gives a player more breathing room, more options to take something off her shots to keep them in, more time to play herself into form.

Against someone like Jie who is so agressive and can hit the angles, you need exceptional movement or it will be a battle (unless you're really in form with your groundstrokes).

I love Ivanovic's game (when she's playing well), but because of the above, I've resigned myself to the fact that she won't really dominate the tour like the greatest players, so I'll have to endure many losses like today's.

On the technical side though, I guess there's something about her service action that means she's not getting as many cheap points as she should off it.

I don't ever think Ana will move like Graf, Hingis, Henin or Serena and Venus with as much speed from start to stop, she gets around fine better than 2 years ago, and that isn't her main problem. Really i think she tends to drag and over swing on shots rather than drive through her weight seems to imblanaced what with her weight going forward the ball then tends to go long. When she gets it right the weight is evenly displayed her follow through is on point she doesn't over swing or drag the shot.

Ana doesn't know how to get the job done when not playing her best that is lack of confidence possibly not knowing her game very well in what she can do best, its about knowing its there and getting it on the most important points like when you have a break point, if she confident knowing she can break back. It really doesn't have to be pretty but right. We know when you are not playing well one shot can shot can change the match and Ana doesn't sense that when she is down. Watching her today she had break back point and dragged the ball long, she senses the urgency but can't translate into her shots to be clean.

Zheng doesn't imo offer anything special, she is consistent and gets to a lot of balls she doesnt' power the ball but uses the court very well she isn't someone Ana should struggle with. What i like about Ana is her game can and should get better lets not forget that she is young and still learning this is what her 2nd or 3rd full year on tour that is nothing. She has the basic shots great f.h, fab b.h slice doesn't do what its supposed do, sits up way to high and doesn't get much slice down low, she has the power, needs a better net game softer hands better vollies, i think coaches forget about that and send players out half cooked.

frontier
Sep 26th, 2008, 10:14 PM
Sometimes These Hyped Players Stall After Winning Slams And Ana Doesnt Seem To Have The Hunger That Most Top Players Have That Drive To Win.look At Sveta She Had The Potential To Be A Real Big Force But After Winning A Slam She Went On A Mental Vacation And Now We Are Into The 5th Year Without Winning Her Second Slam.
The Players That Are Born Champions Are Serena Her Will Is Very Strong ,venus,henin And Pova

Tennisstar86
Sep 26th, 2008, 10:41 PM
Sometimes These Hyped Players Stall After Winning Slams And Ana Doesnt Seem To Have The Hunger That Most Top Players Have That Drive To Win.look At Sveta She Had The Potential To Be A Real Big Force But After Winning A Slam She Went On A Mental Vacation And Now We Are Into The 5th Year Without Winning Her Second Slam.
The Players That Are Born Champions Are Serena Her Will Is Very Strong ,venus,henin And Pova

I agree, Sveta had/has much more talent than Ana and she still hasnt gotten her stuff together..... Curse of winning a slam too early IMO.... It almost happened to Serena.