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Masharapower
Sep 25th, 2008, 08:33 PM
I don't know if you already did this before, but if you can choose 8 players for YEC, which would be those players and who will be the winner.

First of all.
Serena Williams
Venus Williams
Maria Sharapova
Lindsay Davenport
Kim Clijsters
Justine Henin
Well to finish, let's say
Jelena Jankovic :lol::lol:
Steffi Graf (to show everyone she is overrated:devil:)

If they are at their best level, I think the winner would be Sharapova, especially if they play on hardcourts like Madrid.

What about you?

darkchild
Sep 25th, 2008, 08:41 PM
:haha:

Bartosh
Sep 25th, 2008, 08:45 PM
If they are at their best level, I think the winner would be Sharapova, especially if they play on hardcourts like Madrid.

:rolls: hilarious :spit:

Uranium
Sep 25th, 2008, 08:46 PM
Venus winning:)

ce
Sep 25th, 2008, 08:47 PM
jj
ana
serena
venus
maria
davenport
henin
clijsters

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 25th, 2008, 08:49 PM
steffi graf and overrated should never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be placed in the same sentence. ever.

DarkchildSwiss
Sep 25th, 2008, 08:52 PM
Participants:
1. Patty Schnyder (SUI)
2. Martina Hingis (SUI)
3. Anna Kournikova (RUS)
4. Elena Dementieva (RUS)
5. Maria Sharapova (RUS)
6. Jennifer Capriati (USA)
7. Serena Williams (USA)
8. Venus Williams (USA)

WINNER:
Schnyder def. Hingis 6-7 7-6 7-5

hellas719
Sep 25th, 2008, 08:54 PM
group1-
serena
jj
safina
dementieva
group2-
venus
ivanovic
sveta
henin
sf's:
Serena d.Henin 62 36 64
Safina d.Venus 57 62 64
final:
SERENA WILLIAMS 6 4 6
DINARA SAFINA 4 6 3

shap_half
Sep 25th, 2008, 08:54 PM
I don't know if you already did this before, but if you can choose 8 players for YEC, which would be those players and who will be the winner.

First of all.
Serena Williams
Venus Williams
Maria Sharapova
Lindsay Davenport
Kim Clijsters
Justine Henin
Well to finish, let's say
Jelena Jankovic :lol::lol:
Steffi Graf (to show everyone she is overrated:devil:)

If they are at their best level, I think the winner would be Sharapova, especially if they play on hardcourts like Madrid.

What about you?

You're on some kind of drug. At near her best she was double bageled by Davenport.

LudwigDvorak
Sep 25th, 2008, 08:57 PM
so who are my top eight players?

Well.

Group A:
Dementieva-Hantuchova-bitch of Elena-bitch of Elena

Group B:
fodder-filler-filler-fodder

Semis:
Dementieva def. filler
Hantuchova def. fodder

Final:
Dementieva def. Hantuchova :hearts:

ce
Sep 25th, 2008, 08:59 PM
so who are my top eight players?

Well.

Group A:
Dementieva-Hantuchova-bitch of Elena-bitch of Elena

Group B:
fodder-filler-filler-fodder

Semis:
Dementieva def. filler
Hantuchova def. fodder

Final:
Dementieva def. Hantuchova :hearts:

you should dcream about Elena winning a set :p

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:00 PM
you should dcream about Elena winning a set :p

:haha:

LudwigDvorak
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:04 PM
you should dcream about Elena winning a set :p

It's proven, ce. When Elena wins a set in YEC, she wins the match. :hearts:

Hopefully her group in YEC will have Zvonareva, Radwanska, and Serena. *giggle

Masharapower
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:05 PM
You're on some kind of drug. At near her best she was double bageled by Davenport.

Don't.

Craig.
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:34 PM
Don't.

...speak the truth? :shrug:

Dave.
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:36 PM
...speak the truth? :shrug:

:drool:

The Daviator
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:37 PM
I don't know if you already did this before, but if you can choose 8 players for YEC, which would be those players and who will be the winner.

First of all.
Serena Williams
Venus Williams
Maria Sharapova
Lindsay Davenport
Kim Clijsters
Justine Henin
Well to finish, let's say
Jelena Jankovic :lol::lol:
Steffi Graf (to show everyone she is overrated:devil:)

If they are at their best level, I think the winner would be Sharapova, especially if they play on hardcourts like Madrid.

What about you?

:spit:

Henin beat her TWICE on that surface :weirdo:

Masharapower
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:40 PM
:spit:

Henin beat her TWICE on that surface :weirdo:

Well, maybe she will not have to face Henin:lol:

Craig.
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:40 PM
:drool:

I haven't talked to you in like, years. :tears:

Miss you. :awww:

Dave.
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:40 PM
My Dream YEC

Davenport
Hingis
Williams
Williams
Capriati
Seles
Ivanovic
Henin

Raymond/Stosur
Davenport/Morariu
Williams/Williams
Black/Huber
Ruano-Pascual/Suarez
Peschke/Stubbs
Clijsters/Sugiyama
Bondarenko/Bondarenko

ok i'm obssessed with doubles too :D

Bartosh
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:43 PM
Serena
Venus
Maria
Martina
Justine
Kim
Amelie
Jennifer

:drool:

Dave.
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:43 PM
I haven't talked to you in like, years. :tears:

Miss you. :awww:

I know where have you been?? :bigcry:

You stopped posting in Nikkie's thread :sad:

Ciarán
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:43 PM
1.Sharapova
2.Safina
3.Chakvetadze
4.JJ
5.Ana
6.Tamira Paszek
7.Steffi Graf
8.Monica Seles

Too much to ask? :lol:

Craig.
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:46 PM
I know where have you been?? :bigcry:

You stopped posting in Nikkie's thread :sad:

Falling asleep in class, failing tests and cursing at teachers.

Like I have time. :rolleyes:

Dave.
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:53 PM
Falling asleep in class, failing tests and cursing at teachers.

Like I have time. :rolleyes:

Cursing at teachers, how Pova-like of you :) I just went the whole way and left school :o btw did i ever give you my msn before?

Craig.
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:55 PM
Cursing at teachers, how Pova-like of you :) I just went the whole way and left school :o btw did i ever give you my msn before?

Badass. :hearts:

Nope. I haven't been on since like July anyway. :o

Masharapower
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:55 PM
Cursing at teachers, how Pova-like of you :) I just went the whole way and left school :o btw did i ever give you my msn before?

where do u think you are?

Dave.
Sep 25th, 2008, 10:00 PM
Badass. :hearts:

Nope. I haven't been on since like July anyway. :o

Ok just making sure, I'm hardly on it either. Make sure to post more in chat threads from now on. :kiss:

Craig.
Sep 25th, 2008, 10:02 PM
Will do. :yeah:

And Marashawtfevertroll, shut the fuck up.

Geisha
Sep 25th, 2008, 10:03 PM
Serena Williams
Lindsay Davenport
Venus Williams
Martina Hingis
Jennifer Capriati
Kim Clijsters
Maria Sharapova
Jelena Jankovic

Spartan
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:28 PM
Amelie Mauresmo
Svetlana Kuznetsova
Elena Dementieva
Dominika Cibulkova
Mary Pierce
Tatiana Golovin
Daniela Hantuchova
Nadia Petrova


This would be my favourite line-up for YEC with Amelie winning the title!!:hearts:

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:32 PM
monica
serena
dinara
steffi
gabriela s
venus
vera z
justine

winner = monica

Vamos.
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:32 PM
The top 7 in the world and Daniela Hantuchova.

Hantuchova would proceed to get double-bagelled in each of her RR matches.

Her supporters would come on here crying about "wasted talent" and "clean ball-striking". Reallllll clean, though, yeah?

Then, due to retirements, she would be given a chance to redeem herself in the Semi-Final of the YEC against Jelena Jankovic.

Jelena would be winning 6-0, 5-0 40-0 before, somehow, her head falls off. Daniela accordingly gets through to the final, fistpumpin and "come on"ing while Jankovic's head lies on the floor.

She would meet Serena in the final.

Serena would cruise the first 6-0, obv.

Then Serena breaks her leg. Everybody tells her to quit. Meanwhile, on the other side of the net, Daniela is stood facing the backboard nodding her head and pumping her first. Telling herself she CAN do this!!:armed:

Serena plays on with a broken leg. She drops the second set. Daniela is dropshotting and moonballing. And shouting "come on" after every point.

Serena hits Aces off every serve and winners off every return in the third set by just swinging, on one leg. She wins.

Daniela cries and retires from tennis forever.

THE END.

:drool:

faboozadoo15
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:33 PM
You're on some kind of drug. At near her best she was double bageled by Davenport.

Awww, somebody's still bitter about the lopsided head 2 head between Sharapova and Davenport. :sad:
At her best, Sharapova loses nowhere to Davenport. Not on clay, not on grass, not indoor, not outdoor.

G1Player2
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:35 PM
Awww, somebody's still bitter about the lopsided head 2 head between Sharapova and Davenport. :sad:
At her best, Sharapova loses nowhere to Davenport. Not on clay, not on grass, not indoor, not outdoor.

That's a lie. :rolleyes: How many times has Davenport played Sharapova when Davenport was at her best? The closest was in Indian Wells in 2005, and we know what happened there. :)

Matt01
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:38 PM
YEC of my dreams (current players) would be sth like:

1.Davenport
2.Hantuchova
3.Ivanovic
4.Jankovic
5.Safina
6.Petrova
7.Schnyder
8.Razzano


Raymond/Stosur
Davenport/Morariu
Williams/Williams
Black/Huber
Ruano-Pascual/Suarez
Peschke/Stubbs
Clijsters/Sugiyama
Bondarenko/Bondarenko

ok i'm obssessed with doubles too :D


Doubles belong to the other forum :p ;)

Tamus
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:39 PM
Would everybody shut up about the stupid "at her best" arguments. It's just a bunch of silly conjecture which means nothing.

G1Player2
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:39 PM
YEC of my dreams (current players) would be sth like:

1.Davenport
2.Hantuchova
3.Ivanovic
4.Jankovic
5.Safina
6.Petrova
7.Schnyder
8.Razzano




Doubles belong to the other forum :p ;)

Of course Venus nor Serena would be there. :rolleyes:

Matt01
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:41 PM
Awww, somebody's still bitter about the lopsided head 2 head between Sharapova and Davenport. :sad:
At her best, Sharapova loses nowhere to Davenport. Not on clay, not on grass, not indoor, not outdoor.


At her best, Lindsay eats Pova for breakfast on any surface --> better service, better forehand, better backhand, better volleys, better variety, better everything :p

Tamus
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:43 PM
My dream (and I do mean dream) YEC:

Sharapova
Hantuchova
Vaidisova
Vesnina
Wozniacki
Hingis

And the sisters I guess

Matt01
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:44 PM
Of course Venus nor Serena would be there. :rolleyes:


How often did Venus bother to play the YEC anway? Well, she probably knows that her chances aren't that great on such a big tournament outside of grass :p :lol:

champion88
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:44 PM
Serena
Venus
Davenport
Sharapova
Jankovic
Ivanovic
Dementieva
Safina

G1Player2
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:45 PM
How often did Venus bother to play the YEC anway? Well, she probably knows that her chances aren't that great on such a big tournament outside of grass :p :lol:


Well, at least Venus can still qualify and at least play. Unlike your fave player who is a coward. Weren't there some speculation going around that she was juicing? Makes sense if you ask me when you retire right before your favorite tournament. :tape:

Matt01
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:51 PM
Well, at least Venus can still qualify and at least play. Unlike your fave player who is a coward. Weren't there some speculation going around that she was juicing? Makes sense if you ask me when you retire right before your favorite tournament. :tape:


:weirdo: Your cheap shots don't impressive me one bit.

G1Player2
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:54 PM
:weirdo: Your cheap shots don't impressive me one bit.

Just a little birdie I heard. I promise I am not making this up. But, it is rather odd why she would drop out just a couple weeks before the French Open. :confused: I thought she would at least play the French Open and The Olympics before retiring so sue me for being suspicious. :rolleyes:

choi15
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:58 PM
Of course Venus nor Serena would be there. :rolleyes:

Stop starting shyt...the title of this thread is "YEC of YOUR dreams," why does he have to include Serena or Venus :rolleyes::rolleyes:...

vettipooh
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:58 PM
How often did Venus bother to play the YEC anway? Well, she probably knows that her chances aren't that great on such a big tournament outside of grass :p :lol:

Alright then. In this fantasy thread, the YEC is played in London on grass.:p :lol:

G1Player2
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:58 PM
Stop starting shyt...the title of this thread is "YEC of YOUR dreams," why does he have to include Serena or Venus :rolleyes::rolleyes:...

You must not know Matt01 very well do you. :rolleyes:

Matt01
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:00 AM
Just a little birdie I heard. I promise I am not making this up. But, it is rather odd why she would drop out just a couple weeks before the French Open. :confused: I thought she would at least play the French Open and The Olympics before retiring so sue me for being suspicious. :rolleyes:


I thought so, too, but she said that she lost motivation (understandable after her outstanding season in 2007 where she was dominating your faves :wavey: ), so it probably would not have made much sense to continue playing. Implying that the retired because of illegal substances, when you don't have any proofs for that, is simply rude and obscene.

choi15
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:02 AM
You must not know Matt01 very well do you. :rolleyes:

That's not the point...the title is "YEC of YOUR DREAMS," he posted his list, and that's all, he didn't write shyt about them...so why flame him for his dream list, anbd then start an argument :rolleyes:

Craig.
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:02 AM
At her best, Lindsay eats Pova for breakfast on any surface --> better service, better forehand, better backhand, better volleys, better variety, better everything :p

Sure.

But when have you ever been objective? :shrug:

G1Player2
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:04 AM
I thought so, too, but she said that she lost motivation (understandable after her outstanding season in 2007 where she was dominating your faves :wavey: ), so it probably would not have made much sense to continue playing. Implying that the retired because of illegal substances, when you don't have any proofs for that, is simply rude and obscene.


I am not accusing her of that, just something I heard. And, besides, it's not completely out of the questions. Also, Justine dominated an injured Serena who had a leg injury and thumb injury at Wimbledon in 3 sets. Serena did not play a match for 8 weeks until the US Open and she picked up a few pounds during that hiatus and wasn't match fit going into the event.

However, we saw what happened when Serena got herself back into fighting condition this year and we saw that Serena left Justine with a nice parting gift. :p The Justine fans were stir crazy that day. A match that sent them racing back to Belgium.

Matt01
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:09 AM
But when have you ever been objective? :shrug:


And what about you? :)


I am not accusing her of that, just something I heard. And, besides, it's not completely out of the questions. Also, Justine dominated an injured Serena who had a leg injury and thumb injury at Wimbledon in 3 sets. Serena did not play a match for 8 weeks until the US Open and she picked up a few pounds during that hiatus and wasn't match fit going into the event.

However, we saw what happened when Serena got herself back into fighting condition this year and we saw that Serena left Justine with a nice parting gift. :p The Justine fans were stir crazy that day. A match that sent them racing back to Belgium.


Yeah right, and Justine probably only retired because of her loss against Serena.

And please spare me the excuses for Serena's and Venus' losses against Justine, I already know them by heart :zzz:

Buitenzorg
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:11 AM
Mine is:

[1]Justine Henin
[2]Martina Hingis
[3]Kim Clijsters
[4]Lindsay Daveport
[5]Ana Ivanovic
[6]Serena Williams
[7]Jennifer Capriati
[8]Jelena Jankovic

G1Player2
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:11 AM
And what about you? :)





Yeah right, and Justine probably only retired because of her loss against Serena.

And please spare me the excuses for Serena's and Venus' losses against Justine, I already know them by heart :zzz:

Because you know the excuses are true and legitimate. If you really believe Serena was fit and healthy at the US Open or especially at Wimbledon then you are as deluded as I originally assumed.

And, I still don't know the real reason Justine retired. Nobody does. But, the speculation around doping allegations are enticing to say the least. Sorry, but it's not far out of the question considering the circumstances.

Craig.
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:19 AM
And what about you? :)

Go check out the beginning of this thread. You'll see. ;)

But seriously, you always act like your faves (AKA the ones you don't hate) are God's gifts to the tennis world and all the others can't play for shit.

I have never, ever seen you give credit to Venus or Maria. Whenever they come up in a conversation/topic with let's say, Ana or Justine, Venus or Maria are always on your losing end because you let your bias take over you even when you do know that they don't deserve to be or that you're not necessarily right.

Tamus
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:19 AM
How did such a simple lighthearted thread turn so ugly? :sad: :o

Matt01
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:22 AM
Go check out the beginning of this thread. You'll see. ;)

But seriously, you always act like your faves (AKA the ones you don't hate) are God's gift to the tennis world and all the others can't play for shit.

I have never, ever seen you give credit to Venus or Maria. Whenever they come up in a conversation/topic with let's say, Ana or Justine, Venus or Maria are always on your losing end because you let your bias take over you even when you do know that they don't deserve to be or that you're not necessarily right.


In case your are talking to me, you are wrong. I have already given credit to Pova and Venus several times, even though I don't like them. And if you think that Pova is a better tennis player than Davenport, then you are wrong again.

Dave.
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:23 AM
Sure.

But when have you ever been objective? :shrug:

I'm objective and I agree with him :p Hell when this Juverderm starts to kick in Lindsay will be outscoring Pova in the looks department too :drool: :wavey:

LeRoy.
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:27 AM
Monica Seles
Jennifer Capriati
Serena Williams
Venus Williams
Steffi Graf
Martina Navratilova
Martina Hingis
Lindsay Davenport

All at their peak

Final: Seles def Serena 6-7 6-0 7-6

PLP
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:35 AM
Graf
Seles
Hingis
Venus
Davenport
Capriati
Henin
Serena

Quarters:
Hingis def. Seles
Capriati def. Graf
Venus def. Davenport
Serena def. Henin

Semis:
Hingis def. Capriati
Venus def. Serena

Final:
Hingis def. Venus

debopero
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:44 AM
Serena
Venus
Henin
Hingis
Sharapova
Clijsters
Capriati
Davenport

debopero
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:44 AM
This will never happen :bigcry: .

Vamos.
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:47 AM
Matt01, ruining threads for ages. :D

Matt01
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:56 AM
Matt01, ruining threads for ages. :D


Thanks, but in this case, the honour belongs to GPlayer21 :worship:

darkchild
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:02 AM
I'm objective and I agree with him :p Hell when this Juverderm starts to kick in Lindsay will be outscoring Pova in the looks department too :drool: :wavey:


:haha:and I agree. :worship:

frontier
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:15 AM
serena williams
venus williams
lindsay davenport
kim clijsters
henin hardenne
pova
dementieva
myskina
it will be a lot of fun and really competetive

~Cherry*Blossom~
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:18 AM
Group 1
Serena
Venus
Lindsay
Hingis

Group 2
Monica
Kim
Graf
Capriati

Serena def. Hingis 6-4 6-4
Venus def. Lindsay 7-6(5) 4-6 6-4
Monica def. Kim 7-5 6-7(3) 6-3
Graf def. Capriati 6-4 6-3

Serena def. Lindsay 2-6 7-5 6-2
Venus def. Hingis 6-3 3-6 7-5
Monica def. Capriati 2-6 6-4 6-4
Graf def. Kim 7-5 5-7 6-4

Venus def. Serena 7-6(3) 1-6 7-6(5)
Lindsay def. Hingis 6-1 5-7 7-5
Monica def. Graf 7-5 2-6 6-4
Kim def. Capriati 6-2 2-6 6-2

Semis:

Serena def. Seles 7-6(6) 4-6 7-5
Venus def. Graf 4-6 6-3 6-3

Final:

Serena def. Venus 6-4 5-7 7-6(8)

:angel:

hankqq
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:36 AM
It would be too hard for me to pick my all-time favorites, so I'll stick with active players.

My current ideal YEC field would feature:

Serena
Venus
Ivanovic
Sharapova
Jankovic
Safina
Dementieva
Kuznetsova

Groups:

A: Serena, Ivanovic, Dementieva, Kuznetsova
B: Venus, Sharapova, Jankovic, Safina

Andy.
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:46 AM
Maria Sharapova
Mary Pierce
Venus Williams
Serena Williams
Martina Hingis
Lindsay Davenport
Kim Clijsters
Justine Henin

Andy.
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:50 AM
At her best, Lindsay eats Pova for breakfast on any surface --> better service, better forehand, better backhand, better volleys, better variety, better everything :p
I would say their backhands are pretty even. At its best Maria's forehand would definatly hold its own. And Maria would beat Lindsay in the areas of Movement, Mental toughness and fighting ability.

Hardiansf
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:55 AM
I'll stick with current active players:

RED GROUP
1. Serena Williams
2. Dinara Safina
3. Venus Williams
4. Agnieszka Radwanska

GOLD GROUP
1. Jelena Jankovic
2. Elena Dementieva
3. Ana Ivanovic
4. Svetlana Kuznetsova

ROUND ROBIN
S. Williams def V. Williams 7-5 6-2
D. Safina def A. Radwanska 6-3 6-3
S. Williams def A. Radwanska 7-6 (3) 6-1
V. Williams def D. Safina 3-6 6-4 6-3
S. Williams def D. Safina 2-6 7-5 6-3
V. Williams def A. Radwanska 7-6 (5) 4-6 6-4

S. Kuznetsova def J. Jankovic 7-5 7-6 (8)
E. Dementieva def A. Ivanovic 6-3 2-6 6-4
A. Ivanovic def S. Kuznetsova 6-4 6-4
J. Jankovic def E. Dementieva 6-4 3-6 6-1
A. Ivanovic def J. Jankovic 6-4 5-7 6-3 :cool:
S. Kuznetsova def E. Dementieva 7-5 6-2

SEMIFINAL
S. Williams def S. Kuznetsova 7-5 6-7 (5) 6-3
V. Williams def A. Ivanovic 6-2 6-3 :worship:

FINAL
V. Williams def S. Williams 7-6 (3) 6-3 :bounce:

danieln1
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:04 AM
Davenport
Ivanovic
Serena
Venus
Hantuchova
Mauresmo
Wozniacki
Vaidisova

wild.river
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:35 AM
henin
clijsters
hingis
seles

sharapova
davenport
s.williams
capriati

navratilova,evert, graf and bjk can watch :p

Billabong
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:35 AM
Venus
Hingis
Jankovic
Clijsters
Myskina
Davenport
Sharapova
Ivanovic
:)

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:42 AM
I don't know if you already did this before, but if you can choose 8 players for YEC, which would be those players and who will be the winner.

First of all.
Serena Williams
Venus Williams
Maria Sharapova
Lindsay Davenport
Kim Clijsters
Justine Henin
Well to finish, let's say
Jelena Jankovic :lol::lol:
Steffi Graf (to show everyone she is overrated:devil:)

If they are at their best level, I think the winner would be Sharapova, especially if they play on hardcourts like Madrid.

What about you?

O.....M.....G!!!!!!!!!!!! :haha: :haha:

faboozadoo15
Sep 26th, 2008, 03:49 AM
That's a lie. :rolleyes: How many times has Davenport played Sharapova when Davenport was at her best? The closest was in Indian Wells in 2005, and we know what happened there. :)

They've played 6 times. Sharapova has won 5 of them, and they've played 3 times when Davenport was #1 in the world. If anything, the Indian Wells match is the anomaly. Davenport played one amazing match, Sharapova played terribly. Any other day, Sharapova just has too much for Davenport.

faboozadoo15
Sep 26th, 2008, 03:51 AM
At her best, Lindsay eats Pova for breakfast on any surface --> better service, better forehand, better backhand, better volleys, better variety, better everything :p

Why has she only been able to do it once? It's not like they haven't played a lot and on a variety of surfaces and in significant events. half their matches have occured while Lindsay was #1 in the world.

tennisIlove09
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:12 AM
Semis
Venus def. Jankovic 57 75 60
Serena def. Sharapova 62 64

Final
Venus def. Serena 26 75 64

G1Player2
Sep 26th, 2008, 05:09 AM
They've played 6 times. Sharapova has won 5 of them, and they've played 3 times when Davenport was #1 in the world. If anything, the Indian Wells match is the anomaly. Davenport played one amazing match, Sharapova played terribly. Any other day, Sharapova just has too much for Davenport.

They played in 2006 when Sharapova won 7-6 in the 3rd while Davenport was clearly injured if you saw the match. Davenport even said she was injured but just kept playing because she was surprised she was keeping it close. But 2006 is also the year Davenport got pregnant and she was nowhere near her best that year. The only match I feel Davenport was completely healthy is the 2005 Indian Wells match and the 2005 YEC match they played,

akosiirwyn
Sep 26th, 2008, 05:36 AM
They played in 2006 when Sharapova won 7-6 in the 3rd while Davenport was clearly injured if you saw the match. Davenport even said she was injured but just kept playing because she was surprised she was keeping it close. But 2006 is also the year Davenport got pregnant and she was nowhere near her best that year. The only match I feel Davenport was completely healthy is the 2005 Indian Wells match and the 2005 YEC match they played,

2005 :wavey:

faboozadoo15
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:54 AM
2005 :wavey:

:tape: Just let it be.
Pova haters go to great lengths to make excuses for 5 legit wins when it's staring them in the face that only 1 of the matches in the pova/dav head to head is a complete anomaly.

And that Tokyo match is of extremely high quality, both ladies serving out of a tree, winners left and right. It's all over youtube. I'd like someone to show me where Lindsay said she was injured.

Pova also beat Davenport in the same day that she beat Hingis, which is a really tall order given how good both ladies are and how differently they play.

Mashafaaaaan
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:56 AM
They played in 2006 when Sharapova won 7-6 in the 3rd while Davenport was clearly injured if you saw the match. Davenport even said she was injured but just kept playing because she was surprised she was keeping it close. But 2006 is also the year Davenport got pregnant and she was nowhere near her best that year. The only match I feel Davenport was completely healthy is the 2005 Indian Wells match and the 2005 YEC match they played,

Oh stop this, Lindsay beat Kuznetsova, couple of days ago, in two sets. Sharapova was just too strong, anyway, Maria lead 5/1, she beat Davenport on grass, indoor(twice), hardcourts, plexicusion. Maria is better than her, just deal with it.

<Sven>
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:36 AM
Group 1:
Kim Clijsters (1)
Jelena Jankovic (3)
Domenique Monami (5)
Maria Sharapova (7)

Group 2:
Justine Henin (2)
Dinara Safina (4)
Elena Dementieva (6)
Yanina Wickmayer (8)

SF:
Kim Clijsters def. Justine Henin 6-7(13), 7-6(9), 6-0 :devil:
Yanina Wickmayer def. Domenique Monami 6-4, 2-6, 6-3

FINAL
Kim Clijsters def. Yanina Wickmayer 6-3, 4-6, 12-10

One can only dream :p

sebbe
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:47 AM
Group 1
Mary Pierce
Lindsay Davenport
Jen Capriati
Monica Seles

Group 2
Martina Hingis
Venus Williams
Justine Henin
Kim Clijster

I want all the oldies back!

Dave.
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:00 PM
They've played 6 times. Sharapova has won 5 of them, and they've played 3 times when Davenport was #1 in the world. If anything, the Indian Wells match is the anomaly. Davenport played one amazing match, Sharapova played terribly. Any other day, Sharapova just has too much for Davenport.

Just because Lindsay was no.1 in the world doesn't mean she's in a position to win every match. The IW match shows that when both players are well, Lindsay has far too much for Pova. She's just a higher class of player.

:tape: Just let it be.
Pova haters go to great lengths to make excuses for 5 legit wins when it's staring them in the face that only 1 of the matches in the pova/dav head to head is a complete anomaly.

And that Tokyo match is of extremely high quality, both ladies serving out of a tree, winners left and right. It's all over youtube. I'd like someone to show me where Lindsay said she was injured.

Pova also beat Davenport in the same day that she beat Hingis, which is a really tall order given how good both ladies are and how differently they play.

The Dubai match? Where Lindsay made over 50 errors (rare for her) and later ended up taking off the middle part of the season due to the back injury which had hampered her on and off since Wimbledon 05. IIRC Lindsay had to finish off Kirilenko that day.

The Tokyo match was high quality you're right. I'm surprised Lindsay did manage to play well for patches of the match despite having hardly any energy left.

Adal
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:06 PM
Just because Lindsay was no.1 in the world doesn't mean she's in a position to win every match. The IW match shows that when both players are well, Lindsay has far too much for Pova. She's just a higher class of player.
As if Maria was playing ANY well at that match. She was just spraying the ball all over the place. Of course the single match Davenport won against Maria must be the indication that she's a better player and she was really really unwell in all 5 matches she lost. :tape:

Tamus
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:10 PM
Just because Lindsay was no.1 in the world doesn't mean she's in a position to win every match. The IW match shows that when both players are well, Lindsay has far too much for Pova. She's just a higher class of player.

Oh, stop it. And you call yourself objective. :tape: I guess you're just in denial. :o

Dave.
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:18 PM
As if Maria was playing ANY well at that match. She was just spraying the ball all over the place. Of course the single match Davenport won against Maria must be the indication that she's a better player and she was really really unwell in all 5 matches she lost. :tape:

Sharapova was in form and came into the match on a winning streak. There was no reason for her to non-perform in that match apart from her opponent. I didn't say that match was an indication Davenport was the better player, I think their games and results show that. It's just that match happens to be one of their few where they were both coming into the tournament playing at a decent level (the YEC match they played in 05, after they had both already qualified for SF being the only other match). The same cannot be said for the other 3 matches Davenport lost pre-baby.

Dave.
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:19 PM
Oh, stop it. And you call yourself objective. :tape: I guess you're just in denial. :o

Of what?

Adal
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:23 PM
Sharapova was in form and came into the match on a winning streak. There was no reason for her to non-perform in that match apart from her opponent. I didn't say that match was an indication Davenport was the better player, I think their games and results show that. It's just that match happens to be one of their few where they were both coming into the tournament playing at a decent level (the YEC match they played in 05, after they had both already qualified for SF being the only other match). The same cannot be said for the other 3 matches Davenport lost pre-baby.
Seriously, it doesn't matter how well she played before the match, she played crap IN that match. Davenport had great results before Tokyo 2005, but that doesn't mean that she played well and was in-form. Davenport also went on a winning streak after Maria beat her at Wimbledon :shrug:

Tamus
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:25 PM
Of what?

You're in denial of the fact that you are biased in this situation and of the fact that Maria could be on par with Lindsay's level, or (heaven forbid :() perhaps even better than Lindsay

Sharapowerr
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:31 PM
Maria leads 6-1`to Davenport so that means all the time they played Davenport was 1 time in form and Maria 6 times in form...:confused:
Anyway with Maria out and Kim/Justine ret.. there are 3 players who deserve it the most to be in S.Williams
D.Safina
J.Jankovic ( credit for playing so much)

Sharapowerr
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:32 PM
You're in denial of the fact that you are biased in this situation and of the fact that Maria could be on par with Lindsay's level, or (heaven forbid :() perhaps even better than Lindsay

Agree Lindsay has got now the tier 3/4 level there she s got a chance to win a tournament..

ViennaCalling
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:33 PM
Group 1
Mary Pierce
Jelena Jankovic
Agnieszka Radwanska
Iroda Tulyaganova

Group 2
Elena Dementieva
Tamira Paszek
Barbara Schett
Sybille Bammer

Semis

Mary Pierce def. Barbara Schett
Tamira Paszek def. Agnieszka Radwanska

Final
Mary Pierce def. Tamira Paszek


:p

Dave.
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:34 PM
Seriously, it doesn't matter how well she played before the match, she played crap IN that match. Davenport had great results before Tokyo 2005, but that doesn't mean that she played well and was in-form. Davenport also went on a winning streak after Maria beat her at Wimbledon :shrug:

Sharapova was genrally playing very well, not in any way injured and well rested before the tournament. Pro players don't just turn up and play bad for no reason. Lindsay put her under way too much pressure during the match for Sharapova to come up with anything. In Tokyo, Lindsay was playing singles and doubles (into finals of most events too) for the 4th straight week having been ill in the 1st week. The way she collapsed in the AO final was enough evidence of her energy levels at that point. I'm not taking away from Sharapova's win though, she did well to capitalise. And 2004 Lindsay was a headcase, but full credit for 17 y/o Pova for coming through that after the rain delay. Lindsay's summer didn't catch fire till she beat Venus.

Adal
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:37 PM
Sharapova was genrally playing very well, not in any way injured and well rested before the tournament. Pro players don't just turn up and play bad for no reason. Lindsay put her under way too much pressure during the match for Sharapova to come up with anything. In Tokyo, Lindsay was playing singles and doubles (into finals of most events too) for the 4th straight week having been ill in the 1st week. The way she collapsed in the AO final was enough evidence of her energy levels at that point. I'm not taking away from Sharapova's win though, she did well to capitalise. And 2004 Lindsay was a headcase, but full credit for 17 y/o Pova for coming through that after the rain delay. Lindsay's summer didn't catch fire till she beat Venus.
Well I see where you are going to - praising the single match Davenport won, making excuses for all the matches she has lost. I'm not going to argue, there's no point. Just stay the delusional fan you are :shrug:

Sharapowerr
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:37 PM
Davenport is twice as slow as Maria she is " a cow on hardcourt "

Tamus
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:39 PM
Sharapova was genrally playing very well, not in any way injured and well rested before the tournament. Pro players don't just turn up and play bad for no reason. Lindsay put her under way too much pressure during the match for Sharapova to come up with anything. In Tokyo, Lindsay was playing singles and doubles (into finals of most events too) for the 4th straight week having been ill in the 1st week. The way she collapsed in the AO final was enough evidence of her energy levels at that point. I'm not taking away from Sharapova's win though, she did well to capitalise. And 2004 Lindsay was a headcase, but full credit for 17 y/o Pova for coming through that after the rain delay. Lindsay's summer didn't catch fire till she beat Venus.

Isn't not being a headcase part of being a winner and a champion? All I hear coming from you is excuse, excuse, excuse, excuse. . . Seriously, get over yourself. I like Lindsay, but some of her fans are just :rolleyes:

faboozadoo15
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:45 PM
Davenport fans are usually pretty rational unless they're talking about Sharapova.

Dave.
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:47 PM
Well I see where you are going to - praising the single match Davenport won, making excuses for all the matches she has lost. I'm not going to argue, there's no point. Just stay the delusional fan you are :shrug:

I'm not delusional, I just disagree that Pova has too much for Lindsay and I think Lindsay is a better player.

Isn't not being a headcase part of being a winner and a champion? All I hear coming from you is excuse, excuse, excuse, excuse. . . Seriously, get over yourself. I like Lindsay, but some of her fans are just :rolleyes:

Maybe headcase was the wrong word. My point was that Lindsay wasen't beating anybody in a slam SF at that stage. Her condfidence in big slam matches was gone. But I have full respect to what Pova did on that day.

Adal
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:51 PM
I'm not delusional, I just disagree that Pova has too much for Lindsay and I think Lindsay is a better player.
Well 5-1 H2H shows otherwise, but whatever. You can't argue with facts, so all your arguments are based on your personal opinion.

Tamus
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:57 PM
Maybe headcase was the wrong word. My point was that Lindsay wasen't beating anybody in a slam SF at that stage. Her condfidence in big slam matches was gone. But I have full respect to what Pova did on that day.

So? It doesn't matter if Lindsay was bad or if Maria was good; that's just perspective. All that matters is that Maria was better than Lindsay in that match.

Dave.
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:06 PM
Well 5-1 H2H shows otherwise, but whatever. You can't argue with facts, so all your arguments are based on your personal opinion.

5-1 doesn't suggest that one player has "too much" for the other when they've been double bageled and 4 of the wins were 3 sets.

Dodoboy.
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:06 PM
Falling asleep in class, failing tests and cursing at teachers.

Like I have time. :rolleyes:

Cursing at teachers, how Pova-like of you :) I just went the whole way and left school :o btw did i ever give you my msn before?

There is NOTHING ruder than having private conversations on GM threads :rolleyes:

Without me involved

Adal
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:07 PM
5-1 doesn't suggest that one player has "too much" for the other when they've been double bageled and 4 of the wins were 3 sets.
What does it suggest then. That the player with 1 win is much better?

faboozadoo15
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:11 PM
5-1 doesn't suggest that one player has "too much" for the other when they've been double bageled and 4 of the wins were 3 sets.

Actually it does. :tape: It makes the one loss look like the statistical and completely improbable anomaly.
If Lindsay has all this game and so much "this and that" over Sharapova, why has she only won once in 6 tries against her? And why didn't she even bother to play her in Amelia Island?

Mashafaaaaan
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:28 PM
The Dubai match? Where Lindsay made over 50 errors (rare for her) and later ended up taking off the middle part of the season due to the back injury which had hampered her on and off since Wimbledon 05. IIRC Lindsay had to finish off Kirilenko that day.

You a fucking liar bitch, actually, I have the third set on my computer, and at 3/2 in the decider, Lindsay had already 20 winners for 20 UE. Shut the fuck up.

Dave.
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:34 PM
There is NOTHING ruder than having private conversations on GM threads :rolleyes:

Without me involved

It wasen't private, anyone could have joined in :ras:

What does it suggest then. That the player with 1 win is much better?

It doesn't have to suggest anything.

Actually it does. :tape: It makes the one loss look like the statistical and completely improbable anomaly.
If Lindsay has all this game and so much "this and that" over Sharapova, why has she only won once in 6 tries against her? And why didn't she even bother to play her in Amelia Island?

Sharapova has struggled to beat Davenport most of the time, and Davenport's the one with the easiest win. I don't get how you can say Sharapova has too much for Davenport when she has had a hard time beating her 4/5 times.

Adal
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:36 PM
It doesn't have to suggest anything.

What's the point of H2H then?

Paul.
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:38 PM
Mary
Jie
Amélie
Venus
Serena
Lindsay
Kim
Justine

Final: Mary def. Amélie 7-5 7-6 - how I wish it had been in the 2005 final :o

Craig.
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:41 PM
It wasen't private, anyone could have joined in :ras:

Nuh-uh. :rolleyes:

Dave.
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:46 PM
What's the point of H2H then?

There is no point of it when comparing two players. :lol: The Davenport-Sharapova H2H certainly does not indicate that Sharapova is a better player. Davenport totally owned Monica Seles but their accomplishments show Monica is the better player in singles. :shrug: I don't think these scores (2-6 7-6 6-1, 6-1 3-6 7-6, 0-6 0-6. 6-3 5-7 6-4, 3-6 6-1 6-3, 6-1 6-3) show that one player is far better or has far too much for the other.

faboozadoo15
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:46 PM
Sharapova has struggled to beat Davenport most of the time, and Davenport's the one with the easiest win. I don't get how you can say Sharapova has too much for Davenport when she has had a hard time beating her 4/5 times.

:haha: Sharapova may have struggled to win, but she WON. Davenport, outside of 1 match, has been outplayed by Sharapova. Sharapova has too much for Davenport because she's been able to beat her so many times. Where is the argument for Davenport having too much game for Sharapova? One match of six? All five others being won by Sharapova? Come now...

Dave.
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:47 PM
Nuh-uh. :rolleyes:

Don't you like Dodoboy? :speakles:

Craig.
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:50 PM
Don't you like Dodoboy? :speakles:

Ben Kingsley. :inlove:

Yes.

But our conversation was private and personal, albeit random, and I would've allowed no one to interrupt or join it.

Plus, I wanted to talk to you then, not anyone else. :o

Dave.
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:56 PM
:haha: Sharapova may have struggled to win, but she WON. Davenport, outside of 1 match, has been outplayed by Sharapova. Sharapova has too much for Davenport because she's been able to beat her so many times. Where is the argument for Davenport having too much game for Sharapova? One match of six? All five others being won by Sharapova? Come now...

It's a close matchup. They have close matches. Sharapova's 4/5 3-set wins are not an argument for her having too much game for Davenport, especially since she has been double bageled by her before. H2H may be 5-1, and whether you take into consideration all the other things or not, most of those matches were extremely close.

Ben Kingsley. :inlove:

Yes.

But our conversation was private and personal, albeit random, and I would've allowed no one to interrupt or join it.

Plus, I wanted to talk to you then, not anyone else. :o

Ahh k, you're strict :eek: and yeah i'm the only one worth talking too :D

vadin124
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:57 PM
in terms of quality

Venus
Serena
Sharapova
Dementieva
Ivanovic
Kuznetsova
Davenport (in-form)
Mauresmo (in-form)

Craig.
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:59 PM
Ahh k, you're strict :eek: and yeah i'm the only one worth talking too :D

Self-possessed ho. :rolleyes:

And yes you are. :drool:

LindsayRulz
Sep 26th, 2008, 08:19 PM
:haha: Sharapova may have struggled to win, but she WON. Davenport, outside of 1 match, has been outplayed by Sharapova. Sharapova has too much for Davenport because she's been able to beat her so many times. Where is the argument for Davenport having too much game for Sharapova? One match of six? All five others being won by Sharapova? Come now...

The Davenport/Sharapova record is so meanless IMO. Lindsay was 28 when she first played Maria and several of their matches came post 2005 when Lindsay started to struggle with her body and Maria played the best tennis of her career so far. People will always remember the double bagel first anyways when they think about Maria and Lindsay, and if that match wasn't a total outplaying performance by Lindsay over Maria I don't know what it was.

Lindsay owns Seles' ass in their H2H and still, I don't think anyone is ready to say that Lindsay was the best player between the two, and that's exactly how I see the Lindsay vs Maria H2H.

Matt01
Sep 26th, 2008, 08:19 PM
Where is the argument for Davenport having too much game for Sharapova? One match of six? All five others being won by Sharapova? Come now...


Can you read? It's been all already said and explained in this thread. By Dave and by me. :angel:

shap_half
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:02 PM
I am not accusing her of that, just something I heard. And, besides, it's not completely out of the questions. Also, Justine dominated an injured Serena who had a leg injury and thumb injury at Wimbledon in 3 sets. Serena did not play a match for 8 weeks until the US Open and she picked up a few pounds during that hiatus and wasn't match fit going into the event.

However, we saw what happened when Serena got herself back into fighting condition this year and we saw that Serena left Justine with a nice parting gift. :p The Justine fans were stir crazy that day. A match that sent them racing back to Belgium.

So when Justine beats Serena in three consecutive Grand Slam semifinals, there's an excuse, but when Justine loses to Serena, it's because Serena was back in condition and Justine was at her best and just couldn't handle Serena's fighting form. I get it now. Thank you so much for that valuable information. Now tell me, what's the meaning of life? Is there a God?

darkchild
Sep 26th, 2008, 11:12 PM
Some Maria fans are just...:rolleyes:

The Kaz
Sep 27th, 2008, 02:10 AM
Jankovic
Safina
Ivanovic
Kuznetsova
Dementieva
Zvonareva
Chakvetadze
Bartoli :drool:

~Cherry*Blossom~
Sep 27th, 2008, 02:33 AM
So when Justine beats Serena in three consecutive Grand Slam semifinals, there's an excuse, but when Justine loses to Serena, it's because Serena was back in condition and Justine was at her best and just couldn't handle Serena's fighting form. I get it now. Thank you so much for that valuable information. Now tell me, what's the meaning of life? Is there a God?

There was no excuse at the French. Serena sucked and deserved to lose.

But you're deluded if you believe that Serena wasn't injured at Wimbledon and the fact she was unable to hit a two handed backhand (her best shot after her serve) did not effect her. She had to recover from that injury and didn't play until the US Open, which was 6 weeks without any play.


==============

I'm gonna edit my original list with scores, just because other people did it and I'm bored :D

Uranium
Sep 27th, 2008, 02:34 AM
So when Justine beats Serena in three consecutive Grand Slam semifinals, there's an excuse, but when Justine loses to Serena, it's because Serena was back in condition and Justine was at her best and just couldn't handle Serena's fighting form. I get it now. Thank you so much for that valuable information. Now tell me, what's the meaning of life? Is there a God?

Stopped reading at 3 consecutive GS semis:help:

slamchamp
Sep 27th, 2008, 03:16 AM
In case your are talking to me, you are wrong. I have already given credit to Pova and Venus several times, even though I don't like them. And if you think that Pova is a better tennis player than Davenport, then you are wrong again.
omg:haha::haha: