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BUBI
Sep 23rd, 2008, 10:35 AM
Youtube videos of the shooter: http://www.iltalehti.fi/nettitv/?28011645

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2008/Sep/Week4/15105428.jpg



http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Finland-Shooting-Reported-At-Finnish-Vocational-School-In-Kauhajoki-Many-May-Be-Dead/Article/200809415105277?f=rss


A Finnish student who shot dead several of his classmates after he opened fire in a vocational school north of Helsinki.

The attacker, a 20-year-old student at the school, was disarmed and is now dead, police said.

Officers said they would not know the number of students killed or injured for some time.

Fire department chief Ahti Yli-Mannila said: "There are dead people. We have not counted them. It's a big school."

A fire at the school was being tackled by his crews.

Local journalist Timo Huovinen told Sky News that students had just sat down to take an exam when the shooting began.

Terrified students were evacuated as shots were heard from inside school buildings in Kauhajoki, 120 miles from Helsinki.

The Kauhajoki Palvelualojen Oppilaitos, where the shooting occurred, is a vocational college for students aged 16 and over.

Around 200 students were in the school building when the gunman opened fire.

A video apparently posted by the gunman has since been found on video sharing website YouTube.

Clips of a man in a leather jacket firing a gun were uploaded five days before the shooting with the location given as Kauhajoki.

The posting included a message saying "life is pain. And you will fight alone in your personal war."

The incident comes less than a year after a massacre at a Finnish high school in Jokela, north of Helsinki.

On November 7, 2007, 18-year-old student Pekka-Eric Auvinen shot six students, the school's headmistress and a nurse before turning his gun on himself.

Finland has the third highest rate of gun ownership in the world, behind the US and Yemen.

saint2
Sep 23rd, 2008, 10:35 AM
Is he still alive ?

Long live Finland !
Long live Welfare State !
Long live gun ban !

saint2
Sep 23rd, 2008, 10:40 AM
Long live resocialization and rehabilitation !
Long live blaming society of that kind of crap !

Lin Lin
Sep 23rd, 2008, 10:53 AM
:eek:

BUBI
Sep 23rd, 2008, 11:04 AM
Is he still alive ?


He shot himself in the head but is alive!

mandy7
Sep 23rd, 2008, 11:12 AM
Long live Finland !
Long live Welfare State !
Long live gun ban !
Long live resocialization and rehabilitation !
Long live blaming society of that kind of crap !
what the fuck is your problem?

Noctis
Sep 23rd, 2008, 11:14 AM
what the fuck is your problem?

Preparing to get suicide because hes got retarded mentalisatin :cukoo:

ElusiveChanteuse
Sep 23rd, 2008, 11:16 AM
Wow! Never expected a country like Finland would have such things happening.:unsure:

azdaja
Sep 23rd, 2008, 11:19 AM
not again :help: and this is disturbingly similar to the last year's massacre.

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 11:47 AM
What do THEY put in our water :shrug:

Seriously speaking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings#Worldwide
I think we are way over represented now. One can be mistake. But two is habbit (or three if going back little more) :awww: That does it for serious election speaks (held here in late October) :sad:

:awww: :hysteric:
Strenght to victims relatives

FORZA SARITA
Sep 23rd, 2008, 11:48 AM
something like this didn't happen last year too?:tape:

Kworb
Sep 23rd, 2008, 11:52 AM
Sad :sad:

homogenius
Sep 23rd, 2008, 11:53 AM
Long live resocialization and rehabilitation !
Long live blaming society of that kind of crap !

:weirdo:

Noctis
Sep 23rd, 2008, 11:53 AM
someone create a news thread.

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:00 PM
Great. Now there are reported bomb threath around the area. Fucking kids :fiery:
One confirmed evac two not confirmed.

I donīt buy any of them. Hopefully those stupid fucks get good penalty for their "funny" jokes :mad:

mandy7
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:02 PM
Finland school gunman kills nine

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45043000/jpg/_45043493_-29.jpg
Heavily-armed police rushed
to the scene of the attack


At least nine people have been killed and two others seriously wounded in a shooting spree at a vocational college in Finland, police and officials say.

Police said the gunman, thought to be a 20-year-old student, then shot himself, although his condition is now unclear.

He was carrying an automatic weapon and wearing a ski mask when he entered the college in Kauhajoki, reports said.

In 2007 eight people died in another school attack. Finland has one of the world's highest gun ownership rates.

In last year's incident, the gunman, Pekka-Eric Auvinen, posted a video on YouTube as a macabre preview of his attack, pledging to "eliminate" those he saw as "unfit".

Ski mask

Tuesday's shootings in Kauhajoki, some 330km (205 miles) north of the capital, Helsinki, began just before 1100 local time (0800 GMT).

An estimated 200 students were thought to be in the college buildings at the time.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45043000/gif/_45043511_fin_kauhajoki_226x309.gif

A BBC correspondent in Finland said a gunman dressed in black was seen at the school, apparently carrying an automatic weapon.

A man with a ski mask was seen entering the building with a large bag, national broadcaster YLE reported. Shots were fired soon afterwards, and reports emerged that several people were seriously wounded.

At least one injured girl was seen leaving the school covered in blood, our correspondent says, while police said some of the injured were taken away from the scene and treated nearby.

Police ordered an evacuation and called for reinforcements as fires blazed in the building and local reports said Finland's heavy weapons squad was heading to Kauhajoki.

The gunman remained at large within the college grounds for some time before police apparently restrained and disarmed him.

"I just heard from the police radio that the shooter has been caught. He no longer has a gun," a police spokesman told the AFP news agency. But hospital sources and the mayor of the town were later quoted as saying the attacker had turned his gun on himself. There was no confirmation of his condition. In the wake of the 2007 attack, Finland's government pledged to raise the minimum age for buying guns after Auvinen's attack. But the country has a long tradition of hunting and weapons-bearing, with about 1.6 million firearms in private hands, the Associated Press reports.

Timariot
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:12 PM
In the wake of the 2007 attack, Finland's government pledged to raise the minimum age for buying guns after Auvinen's attack.
Actually that was almost completely coincidental. Finnish gun laws allowed minors to get gun licenses since hunting is popular pastime amongst teenagers. This was at odds with rest of the EU, and Finland was almost certain to lose that position anyway. Since Auvinen was not a minor, the new laws would not have had any effect on that incident.

Lin Lin
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:25 PM
9 killed in Finnish school shooting

HELSINKI - Nine people were killed when a gunman went on a shooting rampage in a Finnish trade school Tuesday, several Finnish media outlets quoted police as saying.

Finnish public broadcaster YLE and the STT news agency both cited police as saying nine people had been killed.

Police believe all the dead were students at the school, located in the southwestern Finnish town of Kauhajoki, some 360 kilometres (224 miles) from Helsinki, STT reported.

YLE meanwhile said two people had injured and that the gunman, who has yet to be identified, may also have been carrying explosives on him.

After his shooting spree, the shooter turned his gun on himself, but did not die, the local mayor's office told AFP.


- AFP

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:30 PM
Finnish gun laws allowed minors to get gun licenses since hunting is popular pastime amongst teenagers.

And after Jokela this was changed that no person under 18 could have licence anymore. Dunno, but I assume that if parent(s) allowed it, then it is ok for kid to have a gun as well. But those in question are mainly hunting rifles etc. Not semiautomatics like in this case.

Collection of what this todays shooter left to the internet.
edit: now deleted

Stupid copycat :banghead:
All very, very similar to that of last November. He even looks bit same than that madman :sad:
And failed to kill himself with single shot :banghead: Not too many are cheering for doctors to save him.

Ministery briefing few moments ago. He posted latest to youtube 5 days ago. Police was informed. Couldnīt reach him. Yesterday they did. But after questioning decided there is nothing wrong with that. = Practice shooting.
Someone might, and will, now say that. What stupid police. He did acted bit like Auvinen, the Jokela shooter. Even waved at camera... Then again. Practice shooting is popular hobby .... :shrug:

mandy7
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:35 PM
i say save him and let him suffer in jail

i'm sure if his cellmates find out her shot some innocent people, they'll have their way with him

saint2
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:36 PM
i say save him and let him suffer in jail

And provide him long live on the cost of taxpayers...Excelent...

BTW- murderers (even serial , or psychopathic) have quite good conditions in a jail. The worst- rapers and pedophiles...Seriously...

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:36 PM
i say save him and let him suffer in jail

Please. He is first time offender. Out in max. 6 years. Believe me. Our "law" sucks :fiery:

edit: Cellmates?? Most vulnerable criminals, like child rapists etc. Get their own private cell. With DVDs and Playstations.
No seriously. Everyone deserves 2nd chance. So better not punish criminals harshly.

edit2: Ok, then there is case of "lunatic" where person is forced to mental treatment for rest of his/hers life. And that is cheap... Not.

mandy7
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:39 PM
Please. He is first time offender. Out in max. 6 years. Believe me. Our "law" sucks :fiery:
i'm pretty sure there are different rules for mass murderers
it's not like he too out his ex gf's new bf, he killed 9 people
and at a school, i'm sure that counts

saint2
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:43 PM
edit: Cellmates?? Most vulnerable criminals, like child rapists etc. Get their own private cell. With DVDs and Playstations.

Child rapist and pedophiles have no life in prison. But murderers are privilaged by their cellmates, so... I supose his cellmates to be nice for him...

But, of course, in this case only good peneatly is electric chair..

Noctis
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:45 PM
Child rapist and pedophiles have no life in prison. But murderers are privilaged by their cellmates, so... I supose his cellmates to be nice for him...

But, of course, in this case only good peneatly is electric chair..

I Saw one on here :scared:

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:54 PM
of topic

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 01:47 PM
Media is pissed that they can´t give any more info. Good. After last year there was losts of talk, how they went after those that had survived and practically made them cry in front of camera.

Now. Nothing. Official figures stand. 9 dead. 2 wounded.
They did interview one hospital doctor from way away from the scene. They were put on maximum alert. All non-critical operations halted and waited for patiens to arrive. Only one came. Could read that from the voice that, oh no :sad:.... When there are no injured then ... :hysteric:

kwilliams
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:04 PM
Is he still alive ?

Long live Finland !
Long live Welfare State !
Long live gun ban !

Long live resocialization and rehabilitation !
Long live blaming society of that kind of crap !

Seems to me like you're the one blaming society - Finnish society.

BUBI
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:10 PM
The shooter was questioned by the police yesterday because of the videos on youtube. They saw no reason to take the gun away from him :smash:

saint2
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:18 PM
Seems to me like you're the one blaming society - Finnish society.

No. You're lying, or misunderstooding me.

kwilliams
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:32 PM
No. You're lying, or misunderstooding me.

How am I lying? Why would I lie?

It seems pretty obvious from your first two posts in this thread that you were laying the blame for this tragedy on Finnish society. If I misunderstood you it's because you didn't elaborate on your opinions enough.

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:32 PM
Please. saint2 try to stay on topic. I might argee with your views. But not in this thread.:wavey:
edit: and kwilliams as well

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:39 PM
The shooter was questioned by the police yesterday because of the videos on youtube. They saw no reason to take the gun away from him :smash:

Simply because there was not any. He did got licence only month ago. And as he was 22 that does bring in questions.
That is very small community, where all know everyone. First of all him not having licence yet. Is one question. Now that we was given it month ago is another. And that he was questioned yesterday is obvious. Law allowed him to have gun, so thats that. Police had his/hers hands tight.

Strenght to those police officers as well. They are now being blamed for all this. Thanks to our so called laws.

BUBI
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:47 PM
Simply because there was not any. He did got licence only month ago. And as he was 22 that does bring in questions.
That is very small community, where all know everyone. First of all him not having licence yet. Is one question. Now that we was given it month ago is another. And that he was questioned yesterday is obvious. Law allowed him to have gun, so thats that. Police had his/hers hands tight.

Strenght to those police officers as well. They are now being blamed for all this. Thanks to our so called laws.

There wasn't any? Wasn't he idolizing Auvinen and Columbine shooters? That should have been enough to disarm him legally.

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:49 PM
There wasn't any? Wasn't he idolizing Auvinen and Columbine shooters? That should have been enough to disarm him legally.

Not illegal to idolize someone. And he wasnīt perfect clone. Now all seems obvious. But you canīt arrest anyone here on just a hunch. And that is good.

mapaliey
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:51 PM
wtf...CRAZY...INSANE.....DEATH.....

Warrior
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:58 PM
Is he still alive ?

Long live Finland !
Long live Welfare State !
Long live gun ban !

Do you have any sympathy towards the victims of the shooting? How about some decency?

BUBI
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:59 PM
Not illegal to idolize someone. And he wasnīt perfect clone. Now all seems obvious. But you canīt arrest anyone here on just a hunch. And that is good.

They raided his apartment last friday when he wasn't home. How can they do that but not disarm him? It's ridiculous.


By the way, the shooter just died.

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:01 PM
Shooter confirmed dead! :woohoo:

Official numbers stand. 9 humans dead + 1 animal. 3 humans wounded. One critical.

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:03 PM
They raided his apartment last friday when he wasn't home. How can they do that but not disarm him? It's ridiculous..

I just have to ask. In what country are you at?

EDIT: Nevermind that. Slim chance that it is same as mine.
In here we do things like our law says. When other countries act their. way. I´m not first to shout that is not how it should be done. Say ie. USA - Finland - Iran all have very diffirent way of handling national matters.

BUBI
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:08 PM
I just have to ask. In what country are you at?

Finland. Don't you remember me? I was called soup, I changed my name.

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:12 PM
Finland. Don't you remember me? I was called soup, I changed my name.

Cheater ;)

edit: that is more right than me. Nice

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:13 PM
Last count - 11 :hysteric:

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:20 PM
Stupid toiletmedia. Now they are going to usual tactics.
Teens crying in front of camera. Can´t they just clear those poor kids of the scene :sad:

Last thing they now need is microphone in front of their lips :mad: Geebus :banghead:

BUBI
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:29 PM
In here we do things like our law says. When other countries act their. way. Iīm not first to shout that is not how it should be done. Say ie. USA - Finland - Iran all have very diffirent way of handling national matters.

No law says that a lunatic has right to license for gun. There was enough evidence that he wasn't fit to own a gun. The police made a fatal mistake, there is no nicer way to put it.

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:38 PM
edit: not relevant anymore

BUBI
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:44 PM
Disagree. Under current law, and my knowledge, he was fit to have one.
Canīt learn whole backround of one person in just 6 hours. That itself makes your claim invalid.


http://www.iltalehti.fi/nettitv/?28011645

^that + idolizing massmurderers is enough.

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:46 PM
http://www.iltalehti.fi/nettitv/?28011645

^that + idolizing massmurderers is enough.

Enought of what?

BUBI
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:49 PM
Enought of what?

Enough to get a search warrant and raid his home, but not enough to disarm him?

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:50 PM
Well, have to say that was first time I saw whole clip. Saw only shooting and waving previously. Thanks SkyNews.
Yikes. I agree BLAH. If that did not ring a bell what will :help::banghead:

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:57 PM
That cop that released him yesterday, with a gun, must be in very deep shock now :sad: I don´t know. Hopefully he/she is protected from media attack. He/she might have made decision according to law. Despite mind saying otherwise. Obvious now. Very obvious.
Auvinen images are glued to our heads. Now other similar went wild, because there was no law to stop this?!
Ask government. Not individual!

Scotso
Sep 23rd, 2008, 04:27 PM
It's unfortunate that people are so disturbed they feel the need to do something like this.

gentenaire
Sep 23rd, 2008, 04:56 PM
Shooter confirmed dead! :woohoo:

If you don't want any more copycats, it would have better if he'd still be alive. There's nothing glamourous about standing trial, being confronted with the victims and spending the rest of your life in jail. These shooters want to be dead. They nearly always get what they want and that's sad. The shooters nearly always succeed and so there's nothing to dissuade future shooters.

Official numbers stand. 9 humans dead + 1 animal. 3 humans wounded. One critical.

and it would be good if people stopped referring to killers as animals. Animals don't kill for pleasure, that's a very human trait. They don't kill for power either (with the exception of a few apes), they generally know when to quit when they're involved in a fight. Premeditated killing is typical for humans. If you don't want to call these killers humans, call them monsters then, not animals. Because what they do is far removed from what animals do.

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 04:58 PM
...

Hi God :wavey:

Langers
Sep 23rd, 2008, 05:00 PM
So depressing. The world is so sick.

azdaja
Sep 23rd, 2008, 05:18 PM
If you don't want any more copycats, it would have better if he'd still be alive. There's nothing glamourous about standing trial, being confronted with the victims and spending the rest of your life in jail. These shooters want to be dead. They nearly always get what they want and that's sad. The shooters nearly always succeed and so there's nothing to dissuade future shooters.
good post. for most people there is nothing glamourous about doing something like this either, but for some disturbed individuals it could be. it's always better if people like this would fail at their mission, even if it's only at the last step.

saint2
Sep 23rd, 2008, 05:20 PM
good post. for most people there is nothing glamourous about doing something like this either, but for some disturbed individuals it could be. it's always better if people like this would fail at their mission, even if it's only at the last step.

Its not about failing any mission , but its about justice. Why he would deserve to spend rest of his life in a jail with free food ? Why victim's families should pay for his existence ?

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 05:28 PM
good post. for most people there is nothing glamourous about doing something like this either, but for some disturbed individuals it could be. it's always better if people like this would fail at their mission, even if it's only at the last step.

WE, disturbed people have more than enough idols already. First name that comes to your mind is one ;)
See. How easy mind control is.

Can we now get back to the thread topic... Or was it sorted already?

I didn´t play that card...

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 05:53 PM
Great. Now they interview students on YLE. Who is to blame for such behaviour?
Student A - America. Student B - USA :banghead:

Really, this is amazing. What ? There is nations PM in the studio. He doesn´t say anything. Agrees and feels sorry. Like he does every single time!

Princess Fiona
Sep 23rd, 2008, 06:02 PM
I've just been speaking to a dear Finnish friend about what has happened - I'm so sorry. :sad:

My thoughts are with everyone affected by this awful tragedy.

azdaja
Sep 23rd, 2008, 06:06 PM
Its not about failing any mission , but its about justice. Why he would deserve to spend rest of his life in a jail with free food ? Why victim's families should pay for his existence ?
i'm not going to argue about this since it's pointless, but trials are about justice. what justice is there in him having 100% his way? is there any justice in a suicide bombing because the killer also gets killed?

but whatever.

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 06:12 PM
but whatever.

Answer to me next time. Please, please, please!
Or even better. Have some opinion on thread title.

Iīm catchy on this one!

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 06:19 PM
http://www.iltalehti.fi/nettitv/?28011645

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqBhpcCO-70

BUBI
Sep 23rd, 2008, 06:45 PM
Great. Now they interview students on YLE. Who is to blame for such behaviour?
Student A - America. Student B - USA :banghead:

Really, this is amazing. What ? There is nations PM in the studio. He doesnīt say anything. Agrees and feels sorry. Like he does every single time!

YLE is ridiculous. These people who use every opportunity to criticize capitalism are now saying that MONEY is going to solve this problem. :help:

saint2
Sep 23rd, 2008, 06:50 PM
i'm not going to argue about this since it's pointless, but trials are about justice. what justice is there in him having 100% his way? is there any justice in a suicide bombing because the killer also gets killed?

but whatever.

Justice is not in him having "his way", or "not his way", its about peneatly
appropriate to the act. Ergo- if someone is killing nine people, that mean he wants to die. And if he wants, so be it...

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 06:51 PM
And now that we two finns talk of this alone. Who leads us in moment of crisis? NOBODY!

BUBI
Sep 23rd, 2008, 06:58 PM
And now that we two finns talk of this alone. Who leads us in moment of crisis? NOBODY!

I have no idea what you mean by that :confused:

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 07:11 PM
CNN: Finland is most violent country in western world :speakles: :rocker2:

Take that!

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 07:12 PM
I have no idea what you mean by that :confused:

:wavey:

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 07:22 PM
I have no idea what you mean by that :confused:

Church is still part of our nation. I donīt like it. But those that lead, should act accordingly. Ie. Halonen saying - She prays in memory of victims etc... She did not say that. She was just sorry.

BUBI
Sep 23rd, 2008, 07:22 PM
CNN: Finland is most violent country in western world :speakles: :rocker2:

Take that!

"Finland has the most retarded and spoiled youth in western world" would be closer to truth... Just watch "big brother"... :help:


IMO Finland is about the most pacifistic country in the world...

saint2
Sep 23rd, 2008, 07:23 PM
"Finland has the most retarded and spoiled youth in western world"

I guess not even close to USA :lol::lol::lol:

BUBI
Sep 23rd, 2008, 07:30 PM
Church is still part of our nation. I don´t like it. But those that lead, should act accordingly. Ie. Halonen saying - She prays in memory of victims etc... She did not say that. She was just sorry.

You are blaming the church for this or lack of leadership :confused: If the government doesn't take advantage of this, it's only a good thing. Incidents like this are really a police matter and it seems to me that they had the chance to stop it but they didn't.

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 07:48 PM
You are blaming the church for this or lack of leadership :confused:

Yes. President is head of church as well. No?

And to say something of topic and leaders.
How can we peasants be sure of what is right or wrong when nobody tells us!?
Then again that is exactly what lefty ideology is... :(

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 07:52 PM
Moment of silence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqBhpcCO-70

azdaja
Sep 23rd, 2008, 07:55 PM
Answer to me next time. Please, please, please!
Or even better. Have some opinion on thread title.

Iīm catchy on this one!
i'd reply if i had an idea about what you are trying to say. i posted my opinion on the "thread title" in my first post here.

Justice is not in him having "his way", or "not his way", its about peneatly
appropriate to the act. Ergo- if someone is killing nine people, that mean he wants to die. And if he wants, so be it...
suicide is not punishment by any stretch of the word.

saint2
Sep 23rd, 2008, 07:59 PM
suicide is not punishment by any stretch of the word.

Putting someone on electric chair is not suicide by any stretch of the word.

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 08:02 PM
Does this work outside of Finland?
http://www.iltalehti.fi/nettitv/?28011645

He is the one. I correct. Was the one.

BUBI
Sep 23rd, 2008, 08:02 PM
Yes. President is head of church as well. No?

And to say something of topic and leaders.
How can we peasants be sure of what is right or wrong when nobody tells us!?
Then again that is exactly what lefty ideology is... :(

She used to be the head of SETA (http://www.seta.fi/), not any religion :tape: Now she is the head of social democracy and giving up our independence to soviet European Union. In the 70's she used to be pro-USSR. And still I think it could be worse... I'm glad she is not the prime minister :wavey:

Timariot
Sep 23rd, 2008, 08:09 PM
Does this work outside of Finland?
http://www.iltalehti.fi/nettitv/?28011645

He is the one. I correct. Was the one.

Whadda lamer. :rolleyes: Hello, Pekka-Eric Auvinen, I ripped your act off and managed to be even less cool. I really hope he becomes a silly internet meme like Star Wars Kid and everyone will laught at him, perhaps that will discourage next candidate.

azdaja
Sep 23rd, 2008, 08:12 PM
Putting someone on electric chair is not suicide by any stretch of the word.
nobody got put on the electric chair here if you still haven't noticed :weirdo:

and if you support death penalty, yeah, it must be the best recipe against suicidal murderers :weirdo: hell, it might even prevent suicide bombings coz death is the best penalty for such acts :weirdo:

it is really macabre to talk about stuff like this after something like this happens. all out of concern for the victims, yeah? :weirdo:

i'm not taking part in discussions about this anymore. this event is a tragedy and it should not be used for political purposes, neither the :weirdo: ones on this board or the more sophisticated ones that are to be expected in finland.

saint2
Sep 23rd, 2008, 08:24 PM
i'm not taking part in discussions about this anymore. this event is a tragedy and it should not be used for political purposes, neither the ones on this board or the more sophisticated ones that are to be expected in finland.

Im not using it for any purposes...Someone just said that would prefer life peneatly, than death in this kind of situation, and I just said my opinion about this.

But, on the other side, every time when massacre with a gun is happening, leftist lobby is using it to promote their agenda... It doesn't other you, right ?

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 09:03 PM
FINLAND has official day of mourning.

http://www.menonen.fi/viimeinen%20viikko/LIPUTUS.jpg

Thank you for your respect.

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 09:38 PM
CNN - Our president. Someone carry her out NOW!!!

korben
Sep 23rd, 2008, 09:42 PM
Thanks Tarja. Well said.. what... Isnīt it enough tragedy to lose 11 lives.
Had to suffer that as well :help: Geez.

NAT
Sep 23rd, 2008, 11:19 PM
First of all, the main concern should be for the victims and their families. I have been to Finland, but never lived there so I can't comment on social or political issues. However, Finland has the 3rd highest level of gun ownership per capita after USA and Yemen. It is not a coincidence that USA and Finland are leaders in the numbers of these types of horrible incidents. Guns kill. Simple. I am not saying ban all guns and the problem will simply go away, but "gun societys" need to be realistic and address the issue.

peikko
Sep 24th, 2008, 08:23 AM
Yes. President is head of church as well. No?


No she is not. Until the year 2000 the President pointed bishops in the Finnish Lutheran Church but since then the tasks is given to the church itself.

http://evl.fi/EVLen.nsf/Documents/43B2AADB31F863AAC22572B4001DBC56?openDocument&lang=EN

I'm sure you can find even more information about the church in the Finnish speaking pages.

On topic: My thoughts go to the victims and their families of this terrible tragedy.

Scotso
Sep 24th, 2008, 09:11 AM
If you don't want any more copycats, it would have better if he'd still be alive. There's nothing glamourous about standing trial, being confronted with the victims and spending the rest of your life in jail. These shooters want to be dead. They nearly always get what they want and that's sad. The shooters nearly always succeed and so there's nothing to dissuade future shooters.

:yeah:

Elwin.
Sep 24th, 2008, 05:36 PM
Finland and the USA are the top2 countries with the most guns, cause it's legal to have guns there. Every moron can get a gun and murder people :o
This is going too happen over and over again.

God bless all the victims and their family :sad:

BUBI
Sep 24th, 2008, 05:45 PM
Finland and the USA are the top2 countries with the most guns, cause it's legal to have guns there. Every moron can get a gun and murder people :o

That comparison is simply wrong. Guns or bullets are not sold in supermarkets in Finland. Finland is high in that statistic only because so many people hunt, many hunters own dozen rifles and they use them responsibly. Finnish hunters don't shoot eachother like US vice precident. Hand guns are rare in Finland.

korben
Sep 25th, 2008, 10:11 AM
Facts are coming in. More reliably than right after moment of shock when all were running around.

- Saari bought his gun from shop in Jokela (some 200km from Kauhajoki)
- Jokela was place were last years massacre happened
- Apparently Saari and Auvinen (Jokela killer) knew eachother via internet.
- Claimed that they had pact. If other fails, other will succeed.
- There have been about 6-7 or so school shooting threats after this event :tape:
- Police questioned him day before shooting, but direct threat videos were posted on youtube just about hour before massacre.
- Even if police had taken his licence away, that would not have changed outcome. As he would have had three days to give away his gun.
- After shooting Saari called to his friend. Told that he just shoot 10 people and is now saying goodbye
- Just like any other working place. Police has limited access to internet. Ie. youtube can be blocked off so that workers donīt spend too much time there.

Nobody is yet to accuse Saari of shootings. His backround is digged and he is portrayed mainly as victim as well. All bad things are societys fault. :tape: We are used to it. Most probably donīt realize it though :sad: Some, like me, totally fed up with silk touch treatment. Guy was insane. Period. Not wacky enough to be forced to treatment. Was on some medication though. Maybe can be described as village lunatic in some way. So not all of that community was totally surprised of who did it.

- Main question now is. Why was he granted licence in the first place? Police does not have access to medical records and it is too much to ask that they are qualified psychiatrists as well. Last year there were about 70.000 gun carrying licences granted (Third less than 20 years ago). To do detailed backround check on all cases is out of question. Way too much man hours of real police work needed, that is stretched allready.

Most stupid comment so far. Police head chief Paatero: Police is now tracking everything that happens in the internet. With zero tolerance. - Good luck with that :rolleyes:

BUBI
Sep 25th, 2008, 01:22 PM
- Main question now is. Why was he granted licence in the first place? Police does not have access to medical records and it is too much to ask that they are qualified psychiatrists as well. Last year there were about 70.000 gun carrying licences granted (Third less than 20 years ago). To do detailed backround check on all cases is out of question. Way too much man hours of real police work needed, that is stretched allready.


Apparently he was kicked out from the army because he tried to shoot someone http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/kotimaa.shtml/arkistot/kotimaa/2008/09/720617

He did not hunt, was not a member of any sports/gun club or NRA... why did he need a gun? Did anybody even ask that :confused:

ivanban
Sep 25th, 2008, 07:48 PM
Isn't in Finland allowed to own a gun with 16 years, no questions asked?!
No wonder Finland is third in the world in guns per capita statistic :o

Timariot
Sep 25th, 2008, 08:59 PM
Isn't in Finland allowed to own a gun with 16 years, no questions asked?!
No, not really. In the past there was no age restriction. But as a result of EU gun directive, you now need to be 18 year old to get a gun license - and questions will be asked - though often not because police is ignorant/doesn't have time.

However, a 15-year old can have a co-license to parents' gun. This is to permit continuation of hunting tradition.

ivanban
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:22 PM
No, not really. In the past there was no age restriction. But as a result of EU gun directive, you now need to be 18 year old to get a gun license - and questions will be asked - though often not because police is ignorant/doesn't have time.

However, a 15-year old can have a co-license to parents' gun. This is to permit continuation of hunting tradition.

:o Newspaper here said permission for gun carrying can be acquired with 16 years, no questions asked :fiery: I knew it can't be true

BUBI
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:41 AM
Both shooters were adults and did not hunt! Hunting is about the most natural and healthy hobby young man can have. Apparently EU would rather see finnish boys hanging around and drinking booze. People who learn to handle guns at young age learn to use them responsibly. It's video games and movies that give wrong ideas what guns are about.

mandy7
Sep 26th, 2008, 08:09 AM
Both shooters were adults and did not hunt! Hunting is about the most natural and healthy hobby young man can have.
oh please, it is not, football, tennis, ski-ing, those are healthy hobbies
killing living creatures for the fun of it is not healthy!
Apparently EU would rather see finnish boys hanging around and drinking booze.
i think they'd rather have young people being social and participating in sports, instead of hunting or drinking
People who learn to handle guns at young age learn to use them responsibly. It's video games and movies that give wrong ideas what guns are about.
if people don't understand that a videogame is just a videogame.. that's just sad...
but people should stop blaming videogames for things..
maybe they should start looking at the parents who obviously don't know what's going on in their children's lives

Timariot
Sep 26th, 2008, 08:49 AM
oh please, it is not, football, tennis, ski-ing, those are healthy hobbies
killing living creatures for the fun of it is not healthy!

i think they'd rather have young people being social and participating in sports, instead of hunting or drinking


Hunting is excellent hobby. It gets you out of your home sitting in your fat ass in front of a computer and meet other people. We need more hobbies like that to young people.

But, oh well, guess it is better that people just are like everyone else and sit in front of computer, spending all their time eating potato chips and writing to messageboards. Lots of interesting communities in the 'net where you can get constructive influences: http://www.spreekillers.org/forums/
:rolleyes:

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:09 AM
It's video games and movies that give wrong ideas what guns are about.

:banghead: How about blaming massmedia. They won´t do it. For obvious reason.
If, and most likely when, you have read HS and followed YLE, pretty surprised that you have not seen mindgames they play.

Talk about wrong ideas. In primetime news report of Saari They told that he hated ALL mankind. Backround choice? Most evil... (Hitler, swastika and stuff)
No, not Al Gore, though Saari was part of ecofacist group that hates humans because of what we do to the globe. Less = better. Expect this phenomenom to get kickstart now!

Hunting is actually a must in here. There are some 160.000 moose in here. Every year 65.000-70.000 are gunned down. Still there is pretty much same amount every year. Not killing any moose for couple years? Roadkills amount would be unbearable.

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:18 AM
http://www.spreekillers.org/ (http://www.spreekillers.org/forums/)
:rolleyes:

Fixed. They have store as well

http://images.cafepress.com/jitcrunch.aspx?load=blank,blank:152_F_c6.jpg%7Cloa d=L0,http://images.cafepress.com/image/30383658_400x400.png%7C%7Cscale=L0,110,150,Transpa rent%7Cload=tm-L0,blank:152_F_c6_tmask.jpg%7Ccompose=L0,tm-L0,TextureMask,-180,-102%7Ccompose=blank,L0,AlphaBlend,180,102%7Ccp=res ult,blank%7Cscale=result,0,480,White%7Ccompression =95%7C

Actually pretty nice punchline. As I´m never in majority in here :p
Hate him though :fiery:

edit: Without Saari picture. I might concidere buying that.
edit2: Now that you posted records list. Have to mension the Champion (http://www.snipercentral.com/snipers.htm#WWII) (WW2)

mandy7
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:54 AM
Hunting is excellent hobby. It gets you out of your home sitting in your fat ass in front of a computer and meet other people. We need more hobbies like that to young people.
But, oh well, guess it is better that people just are like everyone else and sit in front of computer, spending all their time eating potato chips and writing to messageboards. Lots of interesting communities in the 'net where you can get constructive influences: http://www.spreekillers.org/forums/
:rolleyes:
it's not black or white
it's not hunting or computering
there are other things, better things!

BUBI
Sep 26th, 2008, 11:17 AM
Hunting is what we are, it's in our DNA. If you believe in evolution, you know hunting is good for you. It makes you respect the nature and forget all other nonsense.

cocco80
Sep 26th, 2008, 11:23 AM
Hunting is excellent hobby. It gets you out of your home sitting in your fat ass in front of a computer and meet other people. We need more hobbies like that to young people.


don't forget about killing innocent creatures :rolleyes: We really need more of that. Killing is a great past time, isn't it? :rolleyes:

I'm still in shock ..I feel for all that people (children) whose lives were ended so abruptly and so randomly..May their souls rest in peace.

This world gets worse by hour...:sad:

cocco80
Sep 26th, 2008, 11:36 AM
Hunting is what we are, it's in our DNA. If you believe in evolution, you know hunting is good for you. It makes you respect the nature and forget all other nonsense.

Excuse me but that's BS.
Hunting is ok if you have to put some food on the table.. cuz if you don't [do that] you're gonna die. That's the original concept.
We are past that era..if we decided we shouldn't kill each other why would be acceptable going around killing animals just for fun.?..that's just crazy. It makes me sick.

And it's called a sport...we are a fucking disgrace and I hope that we become extinct.
We failed miserably.

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 11:44 AM
This world gets worse by hour...:sad:

It sure does. But not because of you or me.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/PageMill_Images/image270b.gif

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 11:47 AM
why would be acceptable going around killing animals just for fun.?..that's just crazy. It makes me sick.

And it's called a sport...we are a fucking disgrace and I hope that we become extinct.
We failed miserably.

You sound like Matti Saari :scared:

Read my post earlier. There is good reason for hunting in here. Very good.

cocco80
Sep 26th, 2008, 11:57 AM
You sound like Matti Saari :scared:

Read my post earlier. There is good reason for hunting in here. Very good.

Well, thanks :rolleyes: Saying I'm against killing all together makes me sound like a man who just commited mass murder. Priceless.

I was having in mind some more natural chain of events. I thought that was pretty clear.
I would never harm another living creature. I can't believe I have to draw this to you.

I read your post. Do you actually think hunting is the best solution for this kind of problem??? :tape:

cocco80
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:02 PM
Hunting is actually a must in here. There are some 160.000 moose in here. Every year 65.000-70.000 are gunned down. Still there is pretty much same amount every year. Not killing any moose for couple years? Roadkills amount would be unbearable.

Ok..I missed this part somehow..
but still I hate killing animals.

BUBI
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:06 PM
Excuse me but that's BS.
Hunting is ok if you have to put some food on the table.. cuz if you don't [do that] you're gonna die. That's the original concept.
We are past that era..if we decided we shouldn't kill each other why would be acceptable going around killing animals just for fun.?..that's just crazy. It makes me sick.

And it's called a sport...we are a fucking disgrace and I hope that we become extinct.
We failed miserably.

At least hunters kill animals who have lived free, happy life... and we eat what we shoot. That's meat of happy animals.

Be careful what you say in this thread... you do sound like Pekka-Eric Auvinen there

mandy7
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:10 PM
Hunting is actually a must in here. There are some 160.000 moose in here. Every year 65.000-70.000 are gunned down. Still there is pretty much same amount every year. Not killing any moose for couple years? Roadkills amount would be unbearable.
i think that should be taken care of by the government, they can hire profesional hunters
so the animals don't have to suffer

and that would be fine, but i just don't think that kids should be allowed to hunt

i also think that you should not say people sound like mass murderer just cause they're against hunting, and so was he

saint2
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:12 PM
Ok..I missed this part somehow..
but still I hate killing animals.

You'd be suprised, If You'd know how important and useful role in ecosystem play hunters...

saint2
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:13 PM
i think that should be taken care of by the government, they can hire profesional hunters
so the animals don't have to suffer

And... who would pay for that ?

BUBI
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:19 PM
i also think that you should not say people sound like mass murderer just cause they're against hunting, and so was he

Let's see:

"we are a fucking disgrace and I hope that we become extinct.
We failed miserably." - cocco80


"Of course there is a final solution too: death of entire human race. It would solve every problem of humanity. The faster human race is wiped out from this planet, the better… no one should be left alive. I have no mercy for the scum of earth, the pathetic human race." - Pekka-Eric Auvinen

BUBI
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:21 PM
And... who would pay for that ?

Yeah, why allow people to do something for free when government could pay for that :help:

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:36 PM
i think that should be taken care of by the government, they can hire profesional hunters
so the animals don't have to suffer

:confused: You know what moose hunt is like? There is group of like 20 people (some are women!) goal is to shoot one or two moose. (read previous) Moose are very catchy. Just like we finns. No heroes there. And there are very strict rule of what moose can be shoot. Kids never. Mother rarely. Etc. That is why moose population stays steady. One has to pay fee for every moose that is downed. Before shooting! System works very well imo.

cocco80
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:47 PM
i think that should be taken care of by the government, they can hire profesional hunters
so the animals don't have to suffer

and that would be fine, but i just don't think that kids should be allowed to hunt

i also think that you should not say people sound like mass murderer just cause they're against hunting, and so was he

and of course the only sane person here is a girl.. :worship:
yeah...hiring professional hunters is actually a great idea.

Kids should resort to some other activities. Something not involving killing (animals) if that's possible. :p

oh..and thanks for your insults guys:kiss:..My experience tells me people start doing that when lacking substantial arguments.;)

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:04 PM
My experience tells me people start doing that when lacking substantial arguments.;)

:eek:

That is Good-good agrument :help:
Please cocco800 donīt commit massacre ..:sad:

Get to treatment first. Or ask mommy to hold your hand! Please :sad:

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:06 PM
You beat me on WTA wacky scale. So only conclusion is that you are wackier. And that is .... out of limits!

mandy7
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:09 PM
damn, you finish people are dark....
stop thinking of cocco as a possible mass murderer

saint2
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:13 PM
and of course the only sane person here is a girl..
yeah...hiring professional hunters is actually a great idea.

Of course, if cocco and mandy will pay for that, it wouldn't be stupid idea...

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:17 PM
damn, you finish people are dark....
stop thinking of cocco as a possible mass murderer

I might. Once cocco shows some respect to Kauhajoki victims!

Timariot
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:18 PM
i think that should be taken care of by the government, they can hire profesional hunters
so the animals don't have to suffer

And guess who would these professional hunters be: that's right, they would be recruited from regular hunters.

The way I see it, animals living in the forest at least have chance to live a free life and chance to escape even when hunted.

Those animals living in the farms often live miserable lifes and have no chance to escape from being killed and consumed by humans.

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqBhpcCO-70

cocco80
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:21 PM
:eek:

That is Good-good agrument :help:
Please cocco800 donīt commit massacre ..:sad:

Get to treatment first. Or ask mommy to hold your hand! Please :sad:

You are being a prick. I was talking to you as another rational human being taking in consideration your arguments not my perception of your persona but it's getting harder after reading your last posts. You seem retarded..there is nothing more lame than a non-intelligent attempt of primary school humour. Pls..give me something I can actually respond to.

You beat me on WTA wacky scale. So only conclusion is that you are wackier. And that is .... out of limits!

blah, blah...is this supposed to be funny? if it is - then I overestimated you. I'm sorry for that.

damn, you finish people are dark....
stop thinking of cocco as a possible mass murderer

mandy, they are trying to put me down somehow but they don't have any weaponry for that. That would actually require having a brain.

Go get laid, guys...killing animals is not the answer for your frustrations.;)

saint2
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:21 PM
And guess who would these professional hunters be: that's right, they would be recruited from regular hunters.

So nothing would change, except they'd get paid - now they doing is as a hobby...

But...state is wasting money for 125677 diffrent, useless things... 125678 would not make a diffrence...

azdaja
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:21 PM
there is nothing wrong with hunting. it is often necessary, as it was pointed out, because culling of some live animal stocks is necessary. it is regulated and i also don't see why regular people shouldn't be doing it. if anything, most people eat meat, but few have ever witnessed a slaughter of an animal, let alone did it themselves. hunters know what it looks like. and these animals have lived normal lives as well.

some hunting practices can be deplorable, of course, like the brutal fox hunting in england or hunting just for trophies.

and of course i don't think that people who oppose hunting should be compared to mass murderers either.

each way i don't see a connection between this massacre and hunting :shrug:

saint2
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:22 PM
Go get laid, guys...killing animals is not the answer for your frustrations.;)

Would You pay for "professional" hunters ? If You are soo "pro animals" I wonder how Your diet looks like...

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:30 PM
You are being a prick.

That is how you pay respect?

Read thread title again.

cocco80
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:39 PM
I'm still in shock ..I feel for all that people (children) whose lives were ended so abruptly and so randomly..May their souls rest in peace.

This world gets worse by hour...:sad:

I might. Once cocco shows some respect to Kauhajoki victims!

Shame on you for doing this. Read above. You can't imagine how sorry I am. I even cried when I first heard the news. Shame on you. Trying to put me on some guilt trip just because I'm against kids killing animals as their past time.
First you compare me to a mass murderer (making a sick joke in this thread which was really tasteless) and now doing this.

Would You pay for "professional" hunters ? If You are soo "pro animals" I wonder how Your diet looks like...

I'm against kids killing animals ...that's not the hobby I would want my kid to pursue.

That is how you pay respect?

Read thread title again.

Shame on you, once again...and that's exactly what makes you a prick. I stand by that.

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:51 PM
Shame on you, once again...and that's exactly what makes you a prick. I stand by that.

I find this kinda funny. I find it kinda sad.
As on that tribute video. THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqBhpcCO-70)that I have posted earlier.

I suggest you look that, thou it is of Jokela massacre. Try to imagine yourself in the same country. Just try.

cocco80
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:55 PM
I find this kinda funny. I find it kinda sad.
As on that tribute video. THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqBhpcCO-70)that I have posted earlier.

I suggest you look that, thou it is of Jokela massacre. Try to imagine yourself in the same country. Just try.

I don't have to imagine myself in the same country. People are people. National borders don't mean much to me. What are you trying to say? I don't understand.

saint2
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:59 PM
I don't have to imagine myself in the same country. People are people. National borders don't mean much to me. What are you trying to say? I don't understand.

Ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Welt ?

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:59 PM
I don't have to imagine myself in the same country.

You did not look that (4 min reply). You are a troll. And a finn hater!
Maybe you should make own thread to push your hate agenda? This is not one.

cocco80
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:00 PM
Ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Welt ?

no...it's the concept you're not familiar with..cosmopolitism.

cocco80
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:03 PM
You did not look that (4 min reply). You are a troll. And a finn hater!
Maybe you should make own thread to push your hate agenda? This is not one.

I'm going to report you. There is something seriously wrong with you.

Timariot
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:05 PM
Gentlemen, you can't fight here. This is the War Room!

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:06 PM
I'm going to report you. There is something seriously wrong with you.

:eek: To whome? If I may ask.

saint2
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:06 PM
no...it's the concept you're not familiar with..cosmopolitism.

Your right. Im not familiar with it...

Epigone
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:06 PM
My thoughts go out to the families of the victims and everyone affected by this tragedy :sad:

Guns allow angry/disturbed people to do a tremendous amount of damage with little effort :(Please cocco800 donīt commit massacre ..:sad:

Get to treatment first. Or ask mommy to hold your hand! Please :sad:Korben, you are a disgrace :wavey:

saint2
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:08 PM
Guns allow angry/disturbed people to do a tremendous amount of damage with little effort

Only method to definetly stop it is ban producing guns. At all. But You realise it won't happen, right ?

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:09 PM
Korben, you are a disgrace :wavey:

Why?

Something I have said on other threads. Or something I have said in THIS THREAD!

Tell me!

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:13 PM
http://kuvat2.iltasanomat.fi/iltasanomat/iDoc/1594085-koulu2.jpg

First picture of the scene.

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:16 PM
I'm going to report you. There is something seriously wrong with you.

Reporting over yet?
Iīm reporting you as well!

Epigone
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:18 PM
Why?

Something I have said on other threads. Or something I have said in THIS THREAD!

Tell me!This...Please cocco800 donīt commit massacre ..:sad:

Get to treatment first. Or ask mommy to hold your hand! Please :sad:

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:21 PM
This...

Catchy catchy. And what lead to that comment?

cocco80
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:22 PM
Reporting over yet?
Iīm reporting you as well!

Done already. They're gonna see all that was written in here...so reporting me...good luck with that. :wavey: I have nothing to be ashamed of. You on the other hand..:help:

azdaja
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:25 PM
really there should be no fighting on this thread :help:

korben, with this kind of behaviour you are not really showing much respect for the victims which you are demanding from others. and neither does saint2 by talking about money.

as for whether 15 to 18 years old people should be able to hunt with permission of their parents that's debatable, but has nothing to do with what happened in kauhajoki.

BUBI
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:26 PM
damn, you finish people are dark....
stop thinking of cocco as a possible mass murderer

But that's how it starts. First you think that humankind is morally ill and that you have the moral highround to judge other people's actions. This can be for several reasons: extreme islam, ecofascism, animal rights, you name it. Then you find similar minded people in the internet and think that you are onto something. Then maybe get depressed and start taking anti-depressants (very dangerous drugs). Then get a gun and shoot some of that failed human race :sad:


Nothing to do with hunting...

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:36 PM
Done already. They're gonna see all that was written in here...s

Interpol might have had better things to do as well. But you started it...:sad:

cocco80
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:39 PM
Interpol might have had better things to do as well. But you started it...:sad:

this is not the thread for you to make jokes. stop it.

korben
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:46 PM
this is not the thread for you to make jokes. stop it.

You werenīt serious? I was!

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=357986

Ryan
Sep 26th, 2008, 03:05 PM
Since none of you can seem to discuss this with any kind of respect for each other, you can stop discussing it at all.