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chuvack
Sep 19th, 2008, 12:29 PM
...involving some of today's top name players. I am quite convinced that profesional tennis has a problem today like cycling in the mid 1990s, when a big percent of the athletes was using performance enhancer drugs but it was all under cover. So far the drug testing in tennis is not serious - only 1 WTA player was caught (a minor one, Karatancheva) and 1 or 2 minor players from ATP.

The reasons why no tennis players are being caught now is in my opinion because the drugs technology is very far ahead of the testing, and possibly some of these drugs which WTA players are taking may not even be on list of banned substances. So therefore top tennis players can take performance enhancers without any real fear of getting exposed.

But eventually in cycling the problem got so big that it could not be covered any longer and some serious testing and disciplinary measures had to be implemented, and I believe tennis will be reaching such a state within a few years. In future I think we will look back on the mid and late 2000s as the "doping era" in women's tennis...

Zamboni
Sep 22nd, 2008, 03:06 PM
Discussing the issue of doping is fine, but any post accusing any player(s) of using doping, without any proof, will be immediately deleted


Plus, if the thread does turn ugly, into namecalling etc, it will be gone again. So keep this civilised please.

Zamboni
Sep 22nd, 2008, 03:08 PM
Personally, I don't believe any sport is clean, I don't think tennis is an exception.
I don't know how often players get tested these days, but before they didn't get tested a lot, so it was probably easy to use doping and not be caught. I suspect they're testing more often now, but I wouldn't be surprised if any positive cases were kept hidden from the general public and the media:tape:

Ciarán
Sep 22nd, 2008, 03:10 PM
Ana took the wrong kind :tape:

frontier
Sep 22nd, 2008, 03:13 PM
Ana took the wrong kind :tape:and pova too:p

^bibi^
Sep 22nd, 2008, 03:15 PM
With so much money in the business these days, it's hard to believe tennis would be the wonderland sport where doping do not exist...

Let's just hope it's not as spread as it is in cycling :haha:

Direwolf
Sep 22nd, 2008, 07:54 PM
Seriously...
how could someone play a tournament so well..
then
stay injured for the rest of the year..
or play shitty...

shouldnt all players be tested atleast twice a year...
even if their injured or not...

frenchie
Sep 22nd, 2008, 08:29 PM
Seriously...
how could someone play a tournament so well..
then
stay injured for the rest of the year..
or play shitty...

shouldnt all players be tested atleast twice a year...
even if their injured or not...

tested twice a year:help:
I remember Anastasia saying she was tested like 15 times in 2004:tape:

Temporary0369
Sep 22nd, 2008, 08:36 PM
Aren't players tested at every slam? Perhaps I'm mistaken. Anyway, as far as only 1 or 2 minor players being caught... Martina Hingis and Canas?

Who knows, the world is a dirty place, but I'll give most people the benefit of the doubt. Even if their acne outbreaks and dramatic increase in muscle mass are odd.

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 22nd, 2008, 08:58 PM
Aren't players tested at every slam? Perhaps I'm mistaken. Anyway, as far as only 1 or 2 minor players being caught... Martina Hingis and Canas?

Who knows, the world is a dirty place, but I'll give most people the benefit of the doubt. Even if their acne outbreaks and dramatic increase in muscle mass are odd.

Yes, women in their teens and twenties getting acne. Quite bizarre. Almost unheard of and definately very suspicious. :rolleyes:

Seriously. No. There are not going to be masses of drug scandals on the WTA tour. Tennis is a very different sport to something like running or cycling. Those sports are solely athleticism based. Tennis is requires both athleticism and skill. Drugs simply can't do for a tennis player what they can do for a cyclist. I am not saying they can't make a difference but in the case of tennis the risks do outweigh the potential gains.

pov
Sep 22nd, 2008, 09:22 PM
Is the WTA completely "clean" - meaning that there has not ever been a use by any player of any banned substance? No

Is there, or has there been, significant usage of banned substances? No.

frontier
Sep 22nd, 2008, 09:31 PM
drugs make you recover fast from injury and endurance to train longer...and there is a lot of money involved,I am sure they also have pressure from sponsors for good results.I am sure these players are ahead of the game with these designer drugs that are undetectable...

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Sep 22nd, 2008, 09:33 PM
The WTA needs to catch those players pronto

Puerta made a GS Final and Korda won a Grand Slam with the help of banned substances and as far as I know , nobody has removed their names from those stats

égalité
Sep 22nd, 2008, 09:36 PM
The WTA needs to catch those players pronto

Puerta made a GS Final and Korda won a Grand Slam with the help of banned substances and as far as I know , nobody has removed their names from those stats

I know who is clearly on the juice , once she wins a Grand Slam it will be too late

God, will you shut the hell up about Safina doping already? If anything, she looks like she's LOST weight in the past year. Jankovic made an abrupt run into the top 5 in '06/'07 and no one thought it was fishy.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Sep 22nd, 2008, 09:48 PM
God, will you shut the hell up about Safina doping already? If anything, she looks like she's LOST weight in the past year. Jankovic made an abrupt run into the top 5 in '06/'07 and no one thought it was fishy.

Did I say names ? :confused:

Temporary0369
Sep 22nd, 2008, 09:55 PM
Yes, women in their teens and twenties getting acne. Quite bizarre. Almost unheard of and definately very suspicious. :rolleyes:

Seriously. No. There are not going to be masses of drug scandals on the WTA tour. Tennis is a very different sport to something like running or cycling. Those sports are solely athleticism based. Tennis is requires both athleticism and skill. Drugs simply can't do for a tennis player what they can do for a cyclist. I am not saying they can't make a difference but in the case of tennis the risks do outweigh the potential gains.

Rich people don't get acne! DUH!;) I was mostly referring to the older players but you're right everybody is different. Some people have acne well into their 30s

frontier
Sep 22nd, 2008, 10:55 PM
I remember Safina at Gold Coast 07 event had the worst case of acne I have ever seen and she had another breakout during the Toronto event....

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 22nd, 2008, 11:50 PM
You'd have to be pretty naïve to believe that doping couldn't have a dramatic impact on a player's results. Tennis is a game of percentages, a game where at times one or two points makes the difference between triumph and failure. In tennis any advantage is significant especially amongst top players where very little seperates in terms of ability.

Hurley
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:17 AM
Did I say names ? :confused:

Yes. Not in this thread. But: yes, you did.

Hurley
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:17 AM
Discussing the issue of doping is fine, but any post accusing any player(s) of using doping, without any proof, will be immediately deleted


Plus, if the thread does turn ugly, into namecalling etc, it will be gone again. So keep this civilised please.

'Twould be nice if this policy was enforced at MTF too :yeah:

OsloErik
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:31 AM
Did I say names ? :confused:

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=14106111&postcount=6

Here?

Wiggly
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:34 AM
http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=14106111&postcount=6

Here?

Owned. :tape:

alfonsojose
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:34 AM
BTW, what about the player who was suposedly caught in Beijing?

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 23rd, 2008, 01:33 AM
BTW, what about the player who was suposedly caught in Beijing?

That thread was a trolls paradise. It was obvious the whole thing was joke, and a poor one at that, leading nowhere.

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 23rd, 2008, 01:35 AM
'Twould be nice if this policy was enforced at MTF too :yeah:

Here here. Infact I would go a step further and say it would be nice if such actions resulted in at least a temporary ban.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:39 AM
http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=14106111&postcount=6

Here?

I don´t see the word doping there

Uranium
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:51 AM
I don´t see the word doping there

:lol:, the last sentence clearly implied it.:p

égalité
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:54 AM
LOL Like that's the only time you've suggested that Safina's doping.

youizahoe
Sep 23rd, 2008, 11:55 AM
Every maindraw player gets tested at all the SLAMS+MIAMI+INDIANWELLS+YEC.

more results, you can find on http://www.itftennis.com/antidoping/news/statistics.asp

2007 = http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_34807_original.PDF
2006 = http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_25823_original.PDF

homogenius
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:07 PM
Every maindraw player gets tested at all the SLAMS+MIAMI+INDIANWELLS+YEC.

more results, you can find on http://www.itftennis.com/antidoping/news/statistics.asp

2007 = http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_34807_original.PDF
2006 = http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_25823_original.PDF

Just checked 2007 :
Numbers of tests (ATP and WTA) : urine 1833, blood 195, EPO/U 97
In-competition 1871, out-of-competition 157

With numbers like this, we won't get "scandals" any time soon...

youizahoe
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:11 PM
Just checked 2007 :
Numbers of tests (ATP and WTA) : urine 1833, blood 195, EPO/U 97
In-competition 1871, out-of-competition 157

With numbers like this, we won't get "scandals" any time soon...

There are about 1000 test on the atp and wta per year, but those are the ones that the ITF organised.

*JR*
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:42 PM
Ana took the wrong kind :tape:

and pova too:p
If any two active players will likely never touch drugs, its these two. Both make a ton of money pretending 2B enamored of this watch, that cellphone, etc. etc. Why would either risk triggering what are surely conduct clauses in their lucrative sponsorship contracts with a positive test result?
:confused:

Tamus
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:02 PM
Donald Young is a female. :eek:





(Wimbledon 2007)
http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_34807_original.PDF

Il Primo!
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:07 PM
I'm among those who really reckon there's some organized doping system on the tour. No one is clean.

But it's better for the show. And after all, being charged as a horse doesn't make you hit a very sound BH DTL.

youizahoe
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:24 PM
I'm among those who really reckon there's some organized doping system on the tour. No one is clean.

But it's better for the show. And after all, being charged as a horse doesn't make you hit a very sound BH DTL.

Everyone needs to be clean, since doping is illegal outside sports, if they didn't control this, tennis and other sports would have been taken down by law suits :P

youizahoe
Sep 24th, 2008, 02:43 PM
You'd have to be pretty naïve to believe that doping couldn't have a dramatic impact on a player's results. Tennis is a game of percentages, a game where at times one or two points makes the difference between triumph and failure. In tennis any advantage is significant especially amongst top players where very little seperates in terms of ability.

Doping just enhances your speed and endurance, but it get's less oxygen to the brains, which makes you think less, and will not give you the win you need.

$uricate
Sep 24th, 2008, 04:15 PM
The WTA needs to catch those players pronto

Puerta made a GS Final and Korda won a Grand Slam with the help of banned substances and as far as I know , nobody has removed their names from those stats

Korda was clean after he won the Austrlian Open, he tested positive after his Wimbledon QF loss, so he won that slam fair and square.

Everyone needs to be clean, since doping is illegal outside sports, if they didn't control this, tennis and other sports would have been taken down by law suits :P

Good point! Do you mean lawsuits from other players? People in the know?

youizahoe
Sep 24th, 2008, 04:26 PM
Korda was clean after he won the Austrlian Open, he tested positive after his Wimbledon QF loss, so he won that slam fair and square.



Good point! Do you mean lawsuits from other players? People in the know?

Everyone that knew about doping being used would be sued, and WTA could be sued if evidence showed they ignored facts or didn't take actions to prevent it :)

eugreene2
Sep 24th, 2008, 04:35 PM
I better stay out of this thread because there is 1 name I feel strongly has used a drug enhancement but she never got caught. Hope she's enjoying retirement. Moving on...

darrinbaker00
Sep 24th, 2008, 04:59 PM
Testing is mandatory at all ITF events (Grand Slams, Davis Cup, Fed Cup, Olympics), and the ITF uses the WADA Anti-Doping Program, just like the International Olympic Committee. Does that mean that every professional tennis player is clean? Of course not, but it does mean that tennis players are tested just as much as any athletes on the planet, if not more so.

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:25 AM
Korda was clean after he won the Austrlian Open, he tested positive after his Wimbledon QF loss, so he won that slam fair and square.

Yeah, right... As if he took drugs just once in his career :lol: :rolleyes:

Junex
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:08 AM
I better stay out of this thread because there is 1 name I feel strongly has used a drug enhancement but she never got caught. Hope she's enjoying retirement. Moving on...

Good Call!

because that "strong feeling" have always put you in shame.... always......
and yes... she is enjoying her retirement.. after all she had won 5 more slams thrphy after that infamous stupid accusations, the best revenge!!!!!

eugreene2
Sep 25th, 2008, 08:41 PM
Good Call!

because that "strong feeling" have always put you in shame.... always......
and yes... she is enjoying her retirement.. after all she had won 5 more slams thrphy after that infamous stupid accusations, the best revenge!!!!!

Your assumption is quite, indeed very interesting!!!

chuvack
Oct 7th, 2008, 11:12 AM
Seriously. No. There are not going to be masses of drug scandals on the WTA tour. Tennis is a very different sport to something like running or cycling. Those sports are solely athleticism based. Tennis is requires both athleticism and skill. Drugs simply can't do for a tennis player what they can do for a cyclist. I am not saying they can't make a difference but in the case of tennis the risks do outweigh the potential gains.



It is exactly this kind of layman's naivete exhibited in this post, which leads to a certain complancency in the campaign against doping in tennis. The naive idea that since tennis is a skill sport as well as an athletic sport, that therefore doping could not help a tennis player to better results, is simply ludicrous and needs to be discredited as often and as directly as possible.