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Shvedbarilescu
Sep 21st, 2008, 07:11 AM
I remember during the clay season everyone was saying, well she is good on clay, wait till the hardcourt season comes, she won't be able to sustain this level then. But if anything Safina after a long grueling schedule with many matches Safina is now playing better than she has at any point since her coming of age at Berlin.

Dinara is now quickly closing in on the number one ranking. Until Berlin next year, she has relatively few points to defend and the way she is playing one can expect her to add a lot of points to her current tally. Personally I think it is now just a matter of time before Safina claims the number 1 ranking. So how long will it take her?

heavensider
Sep 21st, 2008, 07:17 AM
Soon……
Cos if dinara win the title in Beijing, she will got #1 ranking.
Cos Jelena was the runnup last year in beijing

heavensider
Sep 21st, 2008, 07:19 AM
Here is the final ranking this week,top 3 are very close:
1 Serena Williams 26/09/81 USA 4091
2 Jelena Jankovic 28/02/85 SRB 3885
3 Dinara Safina 27/04/86 RUS 3747

Dodoboy.
Sep 21st, 2008, 07:19 AM
I am still counting on Ana Ivanovic to pick up form soon but that's a lost cause :lol:

She could probably take it after AO 09. I suspect she will also play Sydney.

She is playing a lot and playing at a high quality, without slams that is the perfect recipe for #1. She will be #1 soon enough.


Maybe after the 57 weeks Serena finished with it :angel:

solo
Sep 21st, 2008, 07:19 AM
After Miami 2009

Dinayer
Sep 21st, 2008, 07:20 AM
maybe after AO 09

because this year she lost in the first round.

enchantrezz
Sep 21st, 2008, 07:23 AM
Lol! I am never comfortable with predictions/speculations specially regarding Safina so Ill pass this one :)

AnDyDog621
Sep 21st, 2008, 07:32 AM
She needs to get the #1 ranking the day after she wins the Australian Open 2009. I don't want her to be a slamless #1.

empressionist
Sep 21st, 2008, 07:41 AM
based on what serena did to her in new york she won't be number one soon. but if serena takes her ususal "time off" to do other stuff, and play only the slams, safina will probably be number one after AO 2009 if she keeps this form. however soon enough some players will probably be able to pick up the pieces of her game plan and be able to stop her...

Cp6uja
Sep 21st, 2008, 08:30 AM
Here is latest updates from How many different #1 players you expect to see in 2008 (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=350809) thread where i'm talking about Dinara's chances to reach #1 already this season.
LATEST NEWS/ EDIT (after Tokyo)
Dinara Safina still have (good?) chances... even Elena Dementieva have some (but unrealistics). Here is current projections for Seasons ending rankings where i'm counting players 5 mandatory and other 9 "best of rest" 2008 results (so players have 3 empty places for YEC and other two 2008 september/october tournaments):

3680 Serena Williams
3550 Jelena Jankovic
3442 Dinara Safina
2882 Ana Ivanovic
2963 Elena Dementieva


But for Safina chances to reach #1 is probably more important MOSCOW WEEK when will be cut-off of Serena's Kremlin Cup 2007 final. Here is
OCTOBER 13 WTA list projection:
Serena 3716 + Stuttgart/08 + Moscow/08***
Jelena 3550 + Beijing/08 + Stuttgart/08 + Moscow/08
Dinara 3442 + Beijing/08 + Stuttgart/08 + Moscow/08
***no big surprise if Serena withdraws from one of this two tournaments.From this point of view her chances that she will reach that achivment (to be atleast week at #1) about 35% after Moscow, about 40% after YEC, about 45% after AO, about 50% after Miami, about 55% after Charleston. So her chances to be 19th worlds #1 in WTA history sometimes in next 7 months is over 50% thanks to fantastic results (Quality and Quantity) since may of this season. Her by far biggest problem is Serena Williams if she reach better result at YEC and AO/09 (both) than Safina, but even with that she will have good chances after Miami (where Serena is defending champion and week before will not play at Indian Wells).

BTW, if Serena withdraws from Moscow that already will be "over 50%" golden opportunity for Safina to reach #1 already next month!

mapaliey
Sep 21st, 2008, 08:44 AM
soon as possible.........

babuska6
Sep 21st, 2008, 08:45 AM
After AO 09 because as I know this year she lost against Lisicki in first round..And her opponents - Ivanovic,Sharapova,Jankovic and Serena had much better results than her

enchantrezz
Sep 21st, 2008, 09:07 AM
Safina is getting rather greedy with all these wins and titles IMO.



:lol: not really. Maria won AO, Ana RG, Venus Wimby, Serena USO, Lena OG. She's just getting whats left to win. lol!

Iceland
Sep 21st, 2008, 09:12 AM
It might happen this year if she keeps on playing like this. Williams sisters won't certainly play as many tournaments as Dinara. Don't forget that she didn't play YEC last year.

It would be funny to have 6 different number 1 for only 2008 :lol:.

LudwigDvorak
Sep 21st, 2008, 09:16 AM
Safina's playing Beijing, Stuttgart, Moscow, and Zurich. Yeahhhhhhhhh.

She really doesn't need to hog this much. Really.

Vulturepova
Sep 21st, 2008, 09:43 AM
Emm...NEVER!

Seriously I think some tennis induced apocalypse would occur before that happened!

The day she hits a nice volley or behaves like an adult will be the day she hits number one, so probably never.

Seriously people! Has nobody noticed the correlation between the top players injuries/retirement and Safina's sudden rise?

At the start of the year she was struggling to win a match, Peer beat her for Christ's sake then all of a sudden everyone is out and she is ballbashing her way to number one.

If she gets there she will be the most unlikable and worst number one of all time. I know Im in the minority here cause Im not licking the ass all of a sudden - "Ohhhhhh shesssss sooooooooooooooo good! "Im all of a sudden a fan!" "Ive always been a fan but I never said until she started winning everything!"

If she reaches number one I will lose all faith in humanity. And I will throw myself out a window, Ive said it before and I mean it!

LudwigDvorak
Sep 21st, 2008, 09:45 AM
Prepare to throw yourself out the window, then.

Vulturepova
Sep 21st, 2008, 09:49 AM
Prepare to throw yourself out the window, then.

:sobbing: I know!

This time I probably will have to.
Ive checked the points and I dont know whats gonna stop her :shrug:

Drimal
Sep 21st, 2008, 10:15 AM
After Australian Open 2009 as she has nothing to defend there. :angel:


At the start of the year she was struggling to win a match, Peer beat her for Christ's sake then all of a sudden everyone is out and she is ballbashing her way to number one.
New coach, new self confidence, lots of practice and of course an enormous self confidence. All this can do alot.

It's not like she has been a mediocre player before. She has been in top 10 and already won titles before and beaten several top players.


If she gets there she will be the most unlikable and worst number one of all time. I know Im in the minority here cause Im not licking the ass all of a sudden - "Ohhhhhh shesssss sooooooooooooooo good! "Im all of a sudden a fan!" "Ive always been a fan but I never said until she started winning everything!"

Worst number 1 ever? :tape: She has beaten the most top 10 players this season and maintains her stellar form for months!

By the way I've already been a fan back in 2003 because she is a sweet emotional girl and Marat's little sister. :angel:

Matt01
Sep 21st, 2008, 10:35 AM
Safina's playing Beijing, Stuttgart, Moscow, and Zurich. Yeahhhhhhhhh.


I don't think that she's playing Zürich...

incognito
Sep 21st, 2008, 10:47 AM
:lol: not really. Maria won AO, Ana RG, Venus Wimby, Serena USO, Lena OG. She's just getting whats left to win. lol!
I was just about to say that myself...

Steff_forever
Sep 21st, 2008, 10:49 AM
I guess after YEC: even if Serena has also few pts to lose and best17 not filled up. Dinara is prepared for the European indoor season- Serena must constrain herself to.

So it's about the outcome of the YEC and I won't be surprised if she takes over the top spot at Doha outcourts. I said a month ago that she's the player of the yr and I stick to my assertion ;)

Vulturepova
Sep 21st, 2008, 11:49 AM
I said a month ago that she's the player of the yr and I stick to my assertion ;)

I suppose each to his own, but I dont think a player that didnt win any slams or the Olympic Games can be the player of the year :shrug:

I dont think Dinara can beat a healthy Serena.

Steff_forever
Sep 21st, 2008, 11:53 AM
I suppose each to his own, but I dont think a player that didnt win any slams or the Olympic Games can be the player of the year :shrug:

I dont think Dinara can beat a healthy Serena.
I don't count titles and one-hit-wonders. I'm looking for steadiness of players
Even if she hasn't won one of the g8 titles ;)

Ciarán
Sep 21st, 2008, 12:11 PM
she could do it by the end of the year, but a safe bet would be after Australia. Not that it matters, because she is currnently the best player on tour at the moment anyway.

Dawson.
Sep 21st, 2008, 01:28 PM
i agree that its only a matter of time. i think she'll finish the year ranked number 2 behind serena, then take the number 1 ranking after the AO 2009 seeing as though she lost in the 1st round in 2008

No Name Face
Sep 21st, 2008, 01:31 PM
Serena will be at #1 for a while haters, get used to it.

améliemomo
Sep 21st, 2008, 01:47 PM
It would be funny to have 6 different number 1 for only 2008 :lol:.

yes this musical chair is unstoppable:help:
there is no more "real number one",that is the past.

Now is musical chair wta show!!:lol:

Olórin
Sep 21st, 2008, 01:48 PM
I don't count titles and one-hit-wonders. I'm looking for steadiness of players
Even if she hasn't won one of the g8 titles ;)

Well if you're going to self-appoint players of the year, perhaps it would be a good idea to count their titles. As for steadiness Serena's w/l is 88%, Dinara's is 76%. Steadiness for the whole year, or since Berlin?


I don't know about Dinara but it seems likely she will be number one at some point within the next year. She says that she played the best tennis of her life this week, well can she better it or sustain it next week? A good chance, but it's far from a certain thing. It will be an exciting YECs with Serena, Jelena and Dinara all fighting out the number one ranking.

MarieC
Sep 21st, 2008, 02:32 PM
After the AO 09

simplydeep
Sep 21st, 2008, 03:04 PM
The WTA doesn't need yet another player getting to number 1 without a grandslam so i don't want her at number 1 without getting to the summit. Its just no good getting everything else yet you can't win the big prize.

Volcana
Sep 21st, 2008, 03:16 PM
I actually don't think she will. I expect to Serena to win OZ which will put the #1 ranking out of reach for a while. I expect strong 2009's out of Sharapova and Jankovic. Safina won't get past Jankovic and Serena before Sharapova wins Indian Wells. That'll kil 2009. And by 2010, the next dominant stretch by somebody who has already proven themselves should happen. Probably Sharapova, Ivanovic or Jankovic.

TheBoiledEgg
Sep 21st, 2008, 03:28 PM
I actually don't think she will. I expect to Serena to win OZ which will put the #1 ranking out of reach for a while. I expect strong 2009's out of Sharapova and Jankovic. Safina won't get past Jankovic and Serena before Sharapova wins Indian Wells. That'll kil 2009. And by 2010, the next dominant stretch by somebody who has already proven themselves should happen. Probably Sharapova, Ivanovic or Jankovic.

Dinara will be well past Jankovic within next 2 weeks or so.

Dodoboy.
Sep 21st, 2008, 06:10 PM
How is Safina going to win YEC in the wind of Doha?????

Because Safina and wind REALLY don't get along!

AcesHigh
Sep 21st, 2008, 06:15 PM
Will we have more threads about how terrible a #1 she is then?

Anyway, I voted NEVER!!! but probably very soon.

Dodoboy.
Sep 21st, 2008, 06:23 PM
:lol:

Tennisstar86
Sep 21st, 2008, 06:55 PM
I am still counting on Ana Ivanovic to pick up form soon but that's a lost cause :lol:

She could probably take it after AO 09. I suspect she will also play Sydney.

She is playing a lot and playing at a high quality, without slams that is the perfect recipe for #1. She will be #1 soon enough.


Maybe after the 57 weeks Serena finished with it :angel:

Ana's chances at stopping Safina from being #1 are dismal.... All the points she'll be defending in the spring..... I only see Ana's ranking to keep falling until Wimbledon.....

Anyways. I think its tough to say. It all depends on how much Serena plays really. IMO.... I think Safina willl have the #1 ranking going into the French open 2009, which might be a bad thing for her. cause I think she has a great chance to win there..... being the #1 seed for the first time might work against her though....

Also Safina being #1 without a grand slam wont be as bad as some fo the others this year.... at least she does have 4 titles....

duhcity
Sep 21st, 2008, 07:03 PM
I honestly hope that when Safina becomes number 1, you all complain about how she plays every single tournament every month for the entire year and how the crappy wta system is flawed, because thats what you guys went on and on about when Jelena was briefly number 1, and even now when shes in the number 2.

At this rate, Safina will be playing more tournaments and matches than Jelena.

Dodoboy.
Sep 21st, 2008, 07:10 PM
Well with 4 titles (3 of them Tier Is) that is in substantially better than Jelena.

simplydeep
Sep 21st, 2008, 07:26 PM
I honestly hope that when Safina becomes number 1, you all complain about how she plays every single tournament every month for the entire year and how the crappy wta system is flawed, because thats what you guys went on and on about when Jelena was briefly number 1, and even now when shes in the number 2.

At this rate, Safina will be playing more tournaments and matches than Jelena.

It is flawed, horrible the way the WTA system works and makes it easy to get to number without a slam then what is the point of having Grandslam if players can get to the summit wihtout sweating to get the hardest prize that means any jack and jim can be number 1 so long as they play many more matches, thats not right. If you look at the men its taken Rafa 5 grandslams to get to number 1 and Federer constantly defedning his slams to stay there, it should be hard to get to number 1. It is no longer a hard goal because by playing loads and getting deep in tournaments you can get there.

Her getting to number 1 doesn't even say she is the best players it just says she played loads of matches.

its Horrible she shouldn't get to number 1 i hope when or if she does, she will have a slam. Serena got back to number 1 winning a slam that is the way it should be. EVen for Jelena is was even worse that she got to number 1 having won 1 tier 1 and a handful of finals. I can't understand how you don't think there is a problem with getting to number 1 with no slam.

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 21st, 2008, 08:23 PM
Will we have more threads about how terrible a #1 she is then?

Anyway, I voted NEVER!!! but probably very soon.

I am sure if Dinara gets to number one without winning a slam, which is certainly very possible, there will indeed be lots of threads about what a terrible undeserving number one she is because when a player gets to number one without the benefit of a slam, and it has happened a few times over the years, that is what always happens.

I can understand that too. Having won a Slam this year and having easily the best record overall of the four Slam winners Serena probably does deserve the acolade of player of the year regardless of what Safina does for the rest of the year, unless somehow Safina defeats Serena in both Moscow and the YEC, which is unlikely, and even then it would be debatable.

I do think it likely that Safina will win a Slam next year though. The form she has shown in the last few months make it look very odds on. Heck she has just won the last three Tier Ones she has played. That doesn't happen very often. Results like that aren't flukes. Every player prior to Safina to win 3 or more Tier 1s in a year since 1990 have also won at least one Slam, most have won more than five.

simplydeep
Sep 21st, 2008, 09:35 PM
^^ i wouldn't be so sure, she has been 2 big final french open were she didn't show up, played very badily and then Beijing were she lost from a winning postion, mentally she seems to have it but it fall apart in a major final. Her getting up the rankings will all but dry up next year, she will have a lot of defending to do, will she cope with all that pressure and expectation from other and from herself, its something she is yet to taste and come through. I hope at some point she can win a slam because the tennis is there.

TTomek
Sep 21st, 2008, 09:37 PM
week before Berlin next year :p

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 21st, 2008, 10:02 PM
^^ i wouldn't be so sure, she has been 2 big final french open were she didn't show up, played very badily and then Beijing were she lost from a winning postion, mentally she seems to have it but it fall apart in a major final. Her getting up the rankings will all but dry up next year, she will have a lot of defending to do, will she cope with all that pressure and expectation from other and from herself, its something she is yet to taste and come through. I hope at some point she can win a slam because the tennis is there.

I think if you look at her ranking points and her record over the 1st few months of next year, you will start to understand why so many people expect her to be number sometime in the 1st few months of next year.

However you do bring up an interesting point. Once Safina achieves the number one ranking how will it affect her game, if at all. And how will Safina deal with the pressure of being the world number one, and having to defend a ridiculous amount of raking points, over the next few months. We don't know the answer to this question. Getting to number one is one thing but it will be fascinating to she how long see can sustain that ranking once all her best 2007 results start falling off.

simplydeep
Sep 21st, 2008, 10:21 PM
^^ oh yeah just going on her ranking yes i agree she will get to number 1 i hope with a slam in hand, but she is not there yet and a lot of the players that can and do trouble Safina aren't either playing the way they should Ivanovic, or not playing Venus, Serena and Sharapova. She isn't really playing people who are hard to beat, Kuzy yesterday beat herself with forcing tennis and plenty of doubles and a big part, you can't no longer say once Kuzy gets to a final that she can win.

Yeah a lot of people over look just how tough it is to maintain that stadnard she has, i have read she has dropped out of Beijing, i'm not so sure in the long run that will help her. With the way womens tennis is miss one big tournament and all your hard work can be undone. Ivanovic we have seen her not cope with World number 1 but love the off court stuff that comes with world number one. what will Safina do with the distractions that will come thick and fast, the pressure of having to maintain that tennis to keep and indorsements coming in. Its a lot to deal with and yet the tennis is the first to suffer. I in no way wish her any ill its just a lot before we can talk about number 1 staying there and or getting there, she can't to number 1 just by herself she has to contend with other players wanting to stop her. Yes the point between the top 3 are not much though.

I hope she can prove me wrong, though i ahve seen the rising of players only to qucikly fall with expectation Vaidisova is one who rose now can't for the life of her bring the fire she once had, Peer is another rose but quickly falling, chakvetadze not far from the top ten but her tennis is not as it once was, Bartoli another one who rose quickly and isn't performing well to keep herself in the top ten, it just takes another level that i haven't seen from Safina or should i say yet to see and that starts next year.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Sep 21st, 2008, 10:45 PM
She will be another slamless no.1 :o

bestseller
Sep 21st, 2008, 11:07 PM
I think she has a chance of winning the French Open more than anyone unless she gets injured...I think next year will be really competetive a lot of hungry players,Sveta wants a slam,Jelena Dementieva and Safina...these 4 are starving for slams

slamchamp
Sep 21st, 2008, 11:12 PM
Neva

starin
Sep 21st, 2008, 11:30 PM
I would say never but Jankovic to no.1 w/ only 1 Tier I title. So really anything is possible.

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 22nd, 2008, 01:35 AM
if she doesn't get to #1 before berlin...i dunno how she's gonna do it after :shrug: cause serena can also gain between YEC and Miami

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 22nd, 2008, 02:12 AM
I think she has a chance of winning the French Open more than anyone unless she gets injured...I think next year will be really competetive a lot of hungry players,Sveta wants a slam,Jelena Dementieva and Safina...these 4 are starving for slams

this one is going to stay hungry. :)

Junex
Sep 22nd, 2008, 03:48 AM
It is flawed, horrible the way the WTA system works and makes it easy to get to number without a slam then what is the point of having Grandslam if players can get to the summit wihtout sweating to get the hardest prize that means any jack and jim can be number 1 so long as they play many more matches, thats not right. If you look at the men its taken Rafa 5 grandslams to get to number 1 and Federer constantly defedning his slams to stay there, it should be hard to get to number 1. It is no longer a hard goal because by playing loads and getting deep in tournaments you can get there.

Her getting to number 1 doesn't even say she is the best players it just says she played loads of matches.

its Horrible she shouldn't get to number 1 i hope when or if she does, she will have a slam. Serena got back to number 1 winning a slam that is the way it should be. EVen for Jelena is was even worse that she got to number 1 having won 1 tier 1 and a handful of finals. I can't understand how you don't think there is a problem with getting to number 1 with no slam.



There was nothing wrong with the ranking system as much as with reference to the ATP ranking system, Its almost the same.

During the stretch of Roger's dominance and Rafa's ascend to #1 status, the big three namely, the prior two i mentioned and the Djokester have been battling it out the latter stages of big ATP tourneys, thus the big disparity between the top 3 and the rest of the Top 10 in the ATP ranking.

If you look at the women's side, clearly there is no one player that dominated because the best women's players who are suppose to dominate the tour are either gone, injured and well the perrenial only plays when they care...
Henin retired, Maria is injured the WS seems to underperform (maybe lack of interest) in tournaments with less that 3Mil in Prize money!!!!

Without them on the masters equivalent in the WTA tour, clearly gives a chance for the second tier player to gain and pad points to be well within reach of the number one ranking!

So whose fault is it?
I don't think it's Jelena's or Safina's, nor the ranking system!
Is it the fault of Justine who abruptly retired...? maybe, because she left a huge void in ranking by removing her name in it.
Is it Maria's with her injury....? well if she really is injured It is just right if she takes a break and rehabilitate..
Is it the underperformance/non-playing of the WS in non-GS, non-Miami tourneys...? you be the judge!

For me it's just unfortunate that the state of women's tennis has been this way...
Should i care less...? Well as long as they play good tennis... why not?
Should I care more...? Maybe when Justine well comeback!

Malva
Sep 22nd, 2008, 04:15 AM
^^ i wouldn't be so sure, she has been 2 big final french open were she didn't show up, played very badily and then Beijing were she lost from a winning postion, mentally she seems to have it but it fall apart in a major final.

Dinara had so much harder road than Ivanović at RG. I analyzed this in the recent thread Safina def. Petrova thread. In Beijing Final, she was visibly tired and not sufficiently mobilized against extremely mobilized Dementieva. What the organizers did to her in Beijing was just outrageous. So your two major reservations do not hold much water.

With her very high seeding Dinara will from now on be on equal footing with the other top grand slam contenders.

Navratil
Sep 22nd, 2008, 09:20 AM
She doesn't have to defend any points till the end of the season - apart from Moscow semis.

It's very likely she will get to the top within the next weeks although I don`t know her schedule. But she will probably play more tournaments than Serena and get to the top that way!

Only 344 points missing! Who would have thought that at the beginning of the season when she lost to Sabine Lisicki down under??

Miss Atomic Bomb
Sep 22nd, 2008, 09:22 AM
Serena is confirmed to hold the place for next two weeks....

As far as '' How long do you think it will be before Dinara Safina claims the world number 1 s'' question is concerned ........as usual it depends on Serena.

Blanche Devereux
Sep 22nd, 2008, 11:12 AM
I don't know if she'll get it this year but she has so few points to defend next January that if she has a good AO, she'll easily be battling for #1. Everyone else besides Serena has a lot of points to defend through the Australian Open. Serena has 250 quarter final points but Dinara has only 2 points she got for showing up and losing in the first round.

This season? Yeah, I agree it counts on what Serena shows up for the rest of the year.

simplydeep
Sep 22nd, 2008, 11:47 AM
There was nothing wrong with the ranking system as much as with reference to the ATP ranking system, Its almost the same.

If you look at the women's side, clearly there is no one player that dominated because the best women's players who are suppose to dominate the tour are either gone, injured and well the perrenial only plays when they care...
Henin retired, Maria is injured the WS seems to underperform (maybe lack of interest) in tournaments with less that 3Mil in Prize money!!!!

Without them on the masters equivalent in the WTA tour, clearly gives a chance for the second tier player to gain and pad points to be well within reach of the number one ranking!

So whose fault is it?
I don't think it's Jelena's or Safina's, nor the ranking system!
Is it the fault of Justine who abruptly retired...? maybe, because she left a huge void in ranking by removing her name in it.
Is it Maria's with her injury....? well if she really is injured It is just right if she takes a break and rehabilitate..
Is it the underperformance/non-playing of the WS in non-GS, non-Miami tourneys...? you be the judge!

For me it's just unfortunate that the state of women's tennis has been this way...
Should i care less...? Well as long as they play good tennis... why not?
Should I care more...? Maybe when Justine well comeback!

It almost the same but not the same because women get to count whichever 18 they want opting to count ones they have done well in men don't get to do that, like it or not if the miss master series which they have to play they get zero which then count to their ranking. Jankovic got to only count the touneys that she did well in her choice, which means Rome title semi's and quaters all the way and her playing more allowed for plenty of points. If they made it that you can't just count whatever you have done well in and make it that you have to play all tier ones you wouldn't get so many drop outs at the last minute and players would think carefully what they play. Right now its just a fine you get for missing a big tourneys which if you're making hundreds of thousands per week you don't even feel the pinch or even feel bad.

Isn't it what they plan on doing next year that if you don't play you get zero and it counts to your ranking, someone correct me if i'm wrong pls

So its is flawed. Its easier for them, the system practically gives a chance for anyone who puts together a great run to get to become number 1 no slam in hand, Jankovic has proved that and should Safina get to number 1 she will prove that too. Don't you think if it was tougher to pull out and the system was changed or for the WTA to take more control of giving and taking points that there would be more of a fight to stay at the top and there would be a separation between the best of the best and the pretenders by that i mean those trying and trying but are not consistent enough to stay at the top of the game. It shouldn't then be surprising that Davenport,Serena,Martina and Pierce rose up the ranking so quickly.

I care because i love that game. Even though i'm not a fan of Henin it was great to see everyone chase her, she made the game hard and hard is how it should be, is basically my point.

Maria being injured i'm not totally sure because she seems to be around a lot in town promting this and that, possibly injured but not to the extent that they are making it out to be.

simplydeep
Sep 22nd, 2008, 12:08 PM
Dinara had so much harder road than Ivanović at RG. I analyzed this in the recent thread Safina def. Petrova thread. In Beijing Final, she was visibly tired and not sufficiently mobilized against extremely mobilized Dementieva. What the organizers did to her in Beijing was just outrageous. So your two major reservations do not hold much water.

With her very high seeding Dinara will from now on be on equal footing with the other top grand slam contenders.

Yes she had it hard nothing is easy in grandslams or it shouldn't or everyone would have a slam. Its not just tennis that you play emotionally and mentally you have to pluged in, Safina is known for not handeling her emotions much like her brother. At the end of the day its either you bring it or you lose and she lost, the run that she is on beating Dementieva who is known to mentally faulter at the last hurdle and Kuzy who has enough to give during but nothing for the finals. Experience may the reason but she has won

Beijing was more about the weather than them just saying we will play Safina like crazy, she has to deal with it, like at Wimbledon when it rains there is nothing you can do about, do the best you can to find a grove in the mess.

I don't have reservations about Safina its just an observation

Junex
Sep 22nd, 2008, 12:11 PM
It almost the same but not the same because women get to count whichever 18 they want opting to count ones they have done well in men don't get to do that, like it or not if the miss master series which they have to play they get zero which then count to their ranking. Jankovic got to only count the touneys that she did well in her choice, which means Rome title semi's and quaters all the way and her playing more allowed for plenty of points. If they made it that you can't just count whatever you have done well in and make it that you have to play all tier ones you wouldn't get so many drop outs at the last minute and players would think carefully what they play. Right now its just a fine you get for missing a big tourneys which if you're making hundreds of thousands per week you don't even feel the pinch or even feel bad.

Isn't it what they plan on doing next year that if you don't play you get zero and it counts to your ranking, someone correct me if i'm wrong pls

So its is flawed. Its easier for them, the system practically gives a chance for anyone who puts together a great run to get to become number 1 no slam in hand, Jankovic has proved that and should Safina get to number 1 she will prove that too. Don't you think if it was tougher to pull out and the system was changed or for the WTA to take more control of giving and taking points that there would be more of a fight to stay at the top and there would be a separation between the best of the best and the pretenders by that i mean those trying and trying but are not consistent enough to stay at the top of the game. It shouldn't then be surprising that Davenport,Serena,Martina and Pierce rose up the ranking so quickly.

I care because i love that game. Even though i'm not a fan of Henin it was great to see everyone chase her, she made the game hard and hard is how it should be, is basically my point.

Maria being injured i'm not totally sure because she seems to be around a lot in town promting this and that, possibly injured but not to the extent that they are making it out to be.


However you may put it it is still the same!
Have Serena played (wholeheartedly) half as much as Jankovic then we wouldn't be seeing the likes of Jankovic becoming #1 or Safina threatening to dethrone Serena!
Have Justine not retired abruptly... we wouldn't even be talking about this topic!

The problem is not about players playing too much, It is because the best players are playing less and less than usual!

hardball
Sep 22nd, 2008, 12:12 PM
i was thinking about it this morning looking at the new rankings. guess she could have clinched the top spot next week by winning in bejing, but she pulled out. she's got potential.

enchantrezz
Sep 22nd, 2008, 12:18 PM
The problem is not about players playing too much, It is because the best players are playing less and less than usual!

Good point :yeah:

simplydeep
Sep 22nd, 2008, 12:39 PM
I can't wait for next ruels to come into play and see how things will change then. They play less and get more money.

GrafMariaPetraK
Sep 22nd, 2008, 01:51 PM
Dinara is playing great,pressure on her to maintain this form will be the key factor will she rise or fall or flop into obscurity:timebomb:

goldenlox
Sep 22nd, 2008, 02:04 PM
Jelena leads in 2008 points, Dinara about 200 behind, Serena in between them.
Dinara will need a good finish to have it after the YEC, but next year, she should be #1 for several months.

frontier
Sep 22nd, 2008, 02:11 PM
Jelena leads in 2008 points, Dinara about 200 behind, Serena in between them.
Dinara will need a good finish to have it after the YEC, but next year, she should be #1 for several months.dont count your eggs before they are hatched:p

cn ireland
Sep 22nd, 2008, 04:53 PM
I think that if Dinara finishes the year strongly and has a good AO next year, she'll become #1 soon after:D.

freeandlonely
Sep 22nd, 2008, 08:53 PM
Can't imagine this scenario last year...
3 new No.1 in a year...? and none of them named Kuznetsova...

Brooks.
Sep 22nd, 2008, 09:21 PM
If Serena plays, she should keep it.

And I could easily see Serena winning the AO again next year. She should be really confident there.