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SOA_MC
Sep 20th, 2008, 11:55 AM
I guarantee it:wavey:

(1)Jankovic vs bye
Razzano vs Q
Tanasugan vs Srebotnik
(7)Hantuchova vs Dulko
(3)Safina vs bye
Li vs Schiavone
Szavay vs Q
(5)Zvonareva vs Garrigues
(8)Chakvetadze vs Wozniacki
Cibulkova vs Mauresmo
Peng vs Q
(4)Kuznetsova vs bye
(6)Radwanska vs Zheng
Yan vs Sugiyama
Q vs Cornet
(2)Ivanovic vs bye

Nikkiri
Sep 20th, 2008, 11:57 AM
I sure hope so. :D

Good luck! :hug:

jelenacg
Sep 20th, 2008, 12:12 PM
1st round: Bye
2nd round: Cornet/Q
QF: Radwanska/Zheng
SF: Kuznetsova
F: Jankovic/Safina
This is not difficult
Ajde Ana you can do this:bounce::bounce:

kinseh
Sep 20th, 2008, 12:42 PM
Ajde Ana, time for you to make up for all these losses! Good luck. :kiss:

Marilyn Monheaux
Sep 20th, 2008, 01:52 PM
Ajde, Ana! Show them what you're made of!!:rocker2:

SELVEN
Sep 20th, 2008, 02:00 PM
from now on, Ana should get what her lost in the past.ajde!!

Dinayer
Sep 20th, 2008, 02:33 PM
Ajde Ana!

I like the draw :D

bruce goose
Sep 20th, 2008, 02:48 PM
I guarantee it:wavey:

You and Bon Scott,wherEVER he is,better be right...I miss the old Ana:sad:

gaviotabr
Sep 20th, 2008, 03:43 PM
Well.. the draw is fine.

Let's just hope Ana is finally ready to play her game.

MarieC
Sep 20th, 2008, 06:22 PM
I like this draw for Ana. She's never played Cornet before but I think this would be a good match up for Ana if Cornet makes it past the first round

azdaja
Sep 20th, 2008, 08:54 PM
this draw looks easier, but i don't think that was the problem in tokyo anyway. but whatever, ajde!

cocco80
Sep 20th, 2008, 09:27 PM
come on, ana..
still I wouldn't be so sure about this. she is in a serious slump.

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 20th, 2008, 09:33 PM
The whole draw is pretty interesting. Id like to see a few of those first round matches.
Knock em down Ana!:boxing:

Saralah.
Sep 20th, 2008, 09:53 PM
this draw looks easier, but i don't think that was the problem in tokyo anyway.
I agree. She keeps losing to nobodys, so I don't think that she'll win more with an easy draw if she doesn't start playing like the Ana we're all fans of again.

The Daviator
Sep 20th, 2008, 11:34 PM
Which thread are we using? :p

Ugh, I'm still apprehensive, if her form is off then the opponent is irrelevant, she'll just lose :o Hope she wins a few matches anyway :p

Ben.
Sep 20th, 2008, 11:53 PM
I don't think her draw isn't by all means easy (so I wouldn't underestimate her opponents). Some of these players have nothing to lose against Ana, and I agree that if Ana is off her game (which she has been for like the last 4 events) they will take advantage of that. Please find that form that you showed at RG, I know you can do it.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 21st, 2008, 12:45 AM
Draw is almos the same as Tokyo. Not that it matters at the moment.
She just needs to win.

AJDE!!!!

Danči Dementia
Sep 21st, 2008, 04:58 AM
I just want her to win....

Nikkiri
Sep 21st, 2008, 07:29 AM
Draw is almos the same as Tokyo. Not that it matters at the moment.
She just needs to win.

AJDE!!!!

You met Maria :speakles:

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 21st, 2008, 10:25 AM
You met Maria :speakles:

Yes, and hopefully again in Zurich.

cowking
Sep 21st, 2008, 03:13 PM
She had better do something here. If she could just get past the first few rounds, she'll get some confidence again.

Tatianadove
Sep 21st, 2008, 05:45 PM
I believe she will win in Beijing! :)

nestor_bgd
Sep 22nd, 2008, 10:21 AM
I really hope Ana can make a good result here. One win at a time, but it won't be easy. Her opponents are all dangerous, even if she is 100% fit, which she isn't. Rising Cornet in the 2nd round, Zheng in front of her own crowd next...
How is this a good draw? :confused:

DownTheLine21
Sep 22nd, 2008, 03:53 PM
Cornet's looping and high-bouncing forehand should give Ana plenty of time to set up for her shots. Maybe this will help her get some rhythm on the FH side.

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2008, 04:30 PM
Ana has just been granted a Wild Card to the Kremlin Cup. It will be her first time in Moscow.

Edit: Source - http://www.kremlincup.ru/db/news/357

kim86
Sep 22nd, 2008, 05:00 PM
Ana has just been granted a Wild Card to the Kremlin Cup. It will be her first time in Moscow.

Edit: Source - http://www.kremlincup.ru/db/news/357

I belive it's the right decision, she needs to play as much matches as possible right now.

Back to Beijing, i think the draw it's a bit easier than Tokyo, 'cos Cornet is not a powerful player such as Petrova, and the French will give enough time to Ana to move and hit the ball with her forehand, so she can gain more confidence in that stroke.

Hoping she can do well, but my feelings are not so positive...:confused:

bruce goose
Sep 22nd, 2008, 05:16 PM
Cornet's looping and high-bouncing forehand should give Ana plenty of time to set up for her shots. Maybe this will help her get some rhythm on the FH side.This is NOT a put-down,'DTL' cuz I'm in the same boat with you:At this point,we're just grasping for ANY cause for optimism.This thread will EXPLODE when Ana gets her next impressive win...it'll be great!:yeah:

Tatianadove
Sep 22nd, 2008, 06:13 PM
Ana has just been granted a Wild Card to the Kremlin Cup. It will be her first time in Moscow.

Edit: Source - http://www.kremlincup.ru/db/news/357

Damn, I have to study at Uni these days! I want to Moscow to see Ana!:sad:

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 22nd, 2008, 09:14 PM
Entering Moscow looks like a desperate decision and it just shows the confidence is low. Normally she goes for winning a tournament.
But if you plan Moscow, Zurich, Linz in a row then you probably expect that you won't win much.

She had great results after injuries in the past, so the lack of matches can't be the issue. She just needs to WIN matches now.
If you do that in Beijing 4 times then Moscow isn't that necessary.

Playing more matches, then eventually you will start winning.
Then you can say: See? I needed more matches to get rhtym.
If you really think that, you're certainly not on the right track.

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 22nd, 2008, 09:21 PM
Entering Moscow looks like a desperate decision and it just shows the confidence is low. Normally she goes for winning a tournament.
But if you plan Moscow, Zurich, Linz in a row then you probably expect that you won't win much.

She had great results after injuries in the past, so the lack of matches can't be the issue. She just needs to WIN matches now.
If you do that in Beijing 4 times then Moscow isn't that necessary.

Playing more matches, then eventually you will start winning.
Then you can say: See? I needed more matches to get rhtym.
If you really think that, you're certainly not on the right track.

If it was 2 months ago that we knew it was all these tournaments and Tokyo as well, it would have looked worse. But now, i dont think its a big deal. If she does well in Moscow, she should have til Wed before she plays Zurich, then the same for Linz.

Beijing September 22-28
offweek
Moscow October 6-12
Zurich October 13-19
Linz October 20-26
offweek
Doha November 4-9

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2008, 09:30 PM
Entering Moscow looks like a desperate decision and it just shows the confidence is low. Normally she goes for winning a tournament.
But if you plan Moscow, Zurich, Linz in a row then you probably expect that you won't win much.

She had great results after injuries in the past, so the lack of matches can't be the issue. She just needs to WIN matches now.
If you do that in Beijing 4 times then Moscow isn't that necessary.

Playing more matches, then eventually you will start winning.
Then you can say: See? I needed more matches to get rhtym.
If you really think that, you're certainly not on the right track.

I also think that Ana and her team are taking the wrong mental aproach to this situation. Reading her presser today, I got the feeling that she doesn't believe she can win a tournament right now. She kept repeting that she needed time to get back to form. Of course there's reason to think like that.. but that kills any self confidence, which is necesary to win matches, let alone a tournament. Apart that it looks like she thinks that all she needs to do is let time pass and it will fix things.. which is also wrong.. How can you win a match when you don't think you can?

But.. I think she does need to play more matches, as she has barely played since june. I thought she would enter Sttutgart, which would allow her to have a week off between that tournament and Zurich and Linz. But I guess she decided for Moscow because it's a tier I.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 22nd, 2008, 09:38 PM
Stuttgart looks better of course, but then she might not be sure to get in.

Indeed she needs more matches. But enter more tournaments is not the way. You just need to win, then you get enough matches. She still makes me clueless. But that's mostly the case with women anyway.

jelenacg
Sep 22nd, 2008, 10:06 PM
First let us see how she will do in Beijing but i don`t think that playing in Moscow is a bad idea
If she does good in Moscow she can always skip something

nestor_bgd
Sep 23rd, 2008, 07:15 AM
Beijing September 22-28
offweek
Moscow October 6-12
Zurich October 13-19
Linz October 20-26
offweek
Doha November 4-9

Hopefully, some great matches and excitements are ahead of us. :bounce:
And unlike some of you, I am optimistic about the indoors season ending tournaments. She will find her way back. She has to. ;)
AJDE Ana!!!

DownTheLine21
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:55 PM
Well, she's bound to win a few matches somewhere....right?

kim86
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:48 PM
So, next opponent will be Cornet... the young French has struggled a lot to beat Zhang (not Zheng :devil:)...

But the problem is not the opponent in this period, it's all about Ana...:help:

Dinayer
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:52 PM
good luck ana :D

Zealisa
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:57 PM
Should be a tough match against Alize, she's a very talented girl, I hope Anci will find her rhythm - it all depends on her now.

gaviotabr
Sep 24th, 2008, 08:44 PM
Aiss.. it's tomorrow.. Ana please win a match!

bruce goose
Sep 24th, 2008, 08:51 PM
Aiss.. it's tomorrow.. Ana please win a match!Specifically,2 a.m. tomorrow in Estado Chihuahua,Gavi,so I'll probably be setting my alarm after 4 hours sleep and HOPING that Ana makes the exhaustion worthwhile.;)

gaviotabr
Sep 24th, 2008, 09:00 PM
Specifically,2 a.m. tomorrow in Estado Chihuahua,Gavi,so I'll probably be setting my alarm after 4 hours sleep and HOPING that Ana makes the exhaustion worthwhile.;)

Aisss.. It's going to be like 5 am here.. I just hope to wake up to some much needed good news..

bruce goose
Sep 24th, 2008, 09:08 PM
Aisss.. It's going to be like 5 am here.. I just hope to wake up to some much needed good news.....and if you see that she won,then you'll have to pinch yourself HARD to make sure that you're not still dreaming:lol:

jelenacg
Sep 24th, 2008, 09:15 PM
Here it will be 10 am so not a problem:)
I`m not saying anything else just good luck Ana:)

Balltossovic
Sep 24th, 2008, 11:15 PM
What time is Ana's match in New York?

bruce goose
Sep 25th, 2008, 12:58 AM
What time is Ana's match in New York?4 a.m. your time ASSUMING that Ana's match isn't delayed by the super-boring men's tennis that'll precede it on the same court

DownTheLine21
Sep 25th, 2008, 02:42 AM
I won't be able to stay up for the match, but I'm praying that she wins. We need some good news.

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 25th, 2008, 06:23 AM
Damn, figured she wouldve already played by now. Im out of town and got on public wifi just to find out her result. Guess i can wait until tomorrow night.:unsure:

Ajde!!:rocker2:

Balltossovic
Sep 25th, 2008, 07:49 AM
I got called in to work so i will watch online. They are replaying the Chinese women's matches right now. Ana will be on live I hope in 15 minutes! Does anyone have an English live Stream?

bruce goose
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:40 AM
Folks,I'll candidly admit that I'm getting the SCORE,nOT seeing the match(without having an illegal satellite dish as so many others here in Mexico do:eek:)...Ana broke Cornet to go up 6-1,3-1 without having faced ONE break point the entire match...then Cornet broke her easily an dheld to tie at 3-3...they stayed on serve with Alize fighting off a few more break points,and then Cornet served at 0-30,4-5 before battling back to hold and then breaking Ana for 6-5!!!Time for panic???Apparently not...cuz Ana broke back swiftly and then won the tie-break 7-1:D:D:D....6-1,7-6...stay tuned for informed input from those who actually SAW the match;)....but celebrate anyway!!!:D:bounce::bounce::bounce:

Balltossovic
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:44 AM
YAY!! OMG I am so happy!!!!!!! I saw some major fist pumping and Ajdeing out there. My baby's back! great first set, awesome tie break, and she won 74% of her serves when she got the first serve in. Just what baby Anci needed.

AJDE!!

gaviotabr
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:49 AM
I'm so happy! I really hope this can help her confidence and she can play an even better match tomorrow against Zheng.

jelenacg
Sep 25th, 2008, 09:54 AM
I was watching
First set great, 2nd set could easily be 6-1 or 6-2,but you could see she needs more matches,break points 5/17 very low
Her forehand was ok,backhand as well,she maid some silly mistake but it was a good victory
She is so much better player than Cornet ,if she only didn`t make that stupid errors we wouldn`t have that drama in 2nd set
The good thing is that her form is coming back,and a victory in 2 sets can be good for her confidance
She was really good on net,some amazing points won
She was really happy in the end and waved to camera:):)

Zealisa
Sep 25th, 2008, 11:16 AM
I'm very happy, I hope now we'll see our real Ana again! :)

jelenacg
Sep 25th, 2008, 12:22 PM
She is first on court at 12.30pm
I must say i`am afraid of Zheng:confused:
How is she playing,she def Radwańska very easy

azdaja
Sep 25th, 2008, 12:49 PM
well done, ana! :D

i don't know why are people happy that she simply won a match. she was in a slump, but she wasn't losing absolutely every match and some of her defeats came because of injury. the match against jie will be the real test, though.

SOA_MC
Sep 25th, 2008, 01:35 PM
well done, ana! :D

i don't know why are people happy that she simply won a match. she was in a slump, but she wasn't losing absolutely every match and some of her defeats came because of injury. the match against jie will be the real test, though.

True but this one just feels different, you just get the feeling things a starting to click for Ana again. You didn't get that feeling after her win versus Dushevina for example

kinseh
Sep 25th, 2008, 03:08 PM
Ajde! I saw nothing but perfection out there against Cornet. Her groundstrokes, her volleys, her dropshots, her serve, everything worked well. And I also saw some major fist-pumping... :lol:

Well done!

DownTheLine21
Sep 25th, 2008, 03:19 PM
Wow! I'm very pleased to see that she not only won a match against a Top 20 player, but also did so in straight sets. Zheng will be difficult in the next round, but hopefully Ana gained some confidence from this win.

The Daviator
Sep 25th, 2008, 04:28 PM
First straight sets win since Wimbledon 1st round :o :D

I'm not hopeful about the next match, Zheng hardly makes any errors, hope Ana surprises me.

Dinayer
Sep 25th, 2008, 04:58 PM
ajde ana!!!


:bigclap:

:)

Dodoboy.
Sep 25th, 2008, 06:26 PM
First straight sets win since Wimbledon 1st round :o :D

I'm not hopeful about the next match, Zheng hardly makes any errors, hope Ana surprises me.

On a good day! ;)

kim86
Sep 25th, 2008, 08:56 PM
I saw the match. Ana played better than the previews matches, but Cornet missed a lot of forehand. Ana showed once again all her confidence problems, when she had the opportunity to close the matchs she lost her service. But she was able to win in straight sets and it's important, 'coz that gives her a bit more confidence. The positive area of her game today was the volley part, she played a lot of good volleys, making a sort of miracle in one forehand volley.

Tomorrow she is not the favourite vs Zheng, because she's a player who makes move a lot her opponent and makes play long rallies, and Ana has not enough confidence to play in that way right now...but who knowm, maybe she will find her rhythm and give us a present :)

This time i can't see the match...so just good luck Ana ;)

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:33 AM
Alright!:banana:
If Ana beats Zheng in her house, a tier 2 QF doesnt make up for a loss in a grandslam, but it would still be nice to get a dominating win now for a little revenge and more important, she is supposed to beat Zheng in 2 sets.

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:43 AM
Ana lost to Jie, 6 7 : 6 2 : 4 6.

jelenacg
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:43 AM
She had her chances,didn`t use them but she is playing better so better luck next time
At least we didn`t have some nervous break done in 3rd set
She could have won this,she missed many chances in first set
I`m sad but not very much cos she is playing better

HowardH
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:54 AM
Oh Ana. :sad: Zheng deserved to win today. Ana didn't play like she did against Cornet. Zheng is proving to be quite difficult for her to play recently. I think against Zheng Ana just has to execute plan A- hit firm, hit well, hit her off the court, maybe hit some volley winners too. Anything else will lose, because hitting softly allows Zheng to attack her- and Zheng clearly understands how to exploit Ana's movement. Apart from that, Ana has to learn how to not be so nervous. Somehow. It's cute that she gets nervous, but it's also... infuriating. She gets in patches where she misses backhands in the net or something and it keeps happening, and she can't seem to find the adjustment quickly enough. I like the improvement I'm seeing overall in Ana though, I think in the long term she is on the improve. She is looking a bit faster, her forehand has a bit more topspin, and her volleys have improved, so there are positives to take away.

bruce goose
Sep 26th, 2008, 08:22 AM
I'm sick to my f--king stomach here:(;I have Taiwanese friends in the U.S. who have family & comrades trapped on the Communist mainland.Some of these people get dragged from their homes and burned on the face with cattle prods,IN FRONT OF tHEIR cHILDREN,by the lowlife pieces of s--t who run that backward country(due to their religious beliefs).

The Communist-run media over there blathered on and on about how they won all those Mickey Mouse gold medals in events such as dog bathing when they couldn't win jack s--t in the REAL,marquee sports.ZERO golds in Track,for example,and let's not forget how the Russians just easily BITCH-slapped China's best all over the tennis court even though the Chinese spectators were EXTREMELY rude during the matches.The Communist propaganda machine neglects to mention how the child athletes are,essentially,slaves who are driven to succeed under threat of cruel torture.

...And NOW they have another excuse to brag about how wonderful Communism is because some nobody who'll never sniff a Grand Slam named Jie Zheng beat Ana AGAIN!! That'll be on the front page of their newspaper while the stinking bastards completely neglect the welfare of their people...and I'm getting nauseous over this s--t!Zheng is in her mid-20s,has NEVER won anything more than the puniest Tier 4,she's NEVER even entered the Top 25.......and,thanks to Ana's serving like one of Jerry's Kids,she resembled a combo of Steffi Graf and Serena Williams.

I still adore Ana but I SOOOOO wish she could've avoided being a mere tool for the s--thead Communist P.R. machine.The REAL Ana was supposed to stand up in Beijing:sad:...if THAT was the real Ana then the future couldn't be any darker if we had a FULL eclipse.I just HATE seeing her lose like that....to one of THEM especially.Yeah,yeah,I'm aware that Jie Zheng doesn't shoot people in the back of the head for 'crimes against the Party'...but she carries the flag for those who DO....I'm just sick over this...it's as if RG was only a dream that NEVER really happened.:sad:

cocco80
Sep 26th, 2008, 08:29 AM
I'm sick to my f--king stomach here:(;I have Taiwanese friends in the U.S. who have family & comrades trapped on the Communist mainland.Some of these people get dragged from their homes and burned on the face with cattle prods,IN FRONT OF tHEIR cHILDREN,by the lowlife pieces of s--t who run that backward country(due to their religious beliefs).

The Communist-run media over there blathered on and on about how they won all those Mickey Mouse gold medals in events such as dog bathing when they couldn't win jack s--t in the REAL,marquee sports.ZERO golds in Track,for example,and let's not forget how the Russians just easily BITCH-slapped China's best all over the tennis court even though the Chinese spectators were EXTREMELY rude during the matches.The Communist propaganda machine neglects to mention how the child athletes are,essentially,slaves who are driven to succeed under threat of cruel torture.

...And NOW they have another excuse to brag about how wonderful Communism is because some hybrid of a smurf and a retarded-looking monkey named Jie Zheng beat Ana AGAIN!! That'll be on the front page of their newspaper while the stinking bastards completely neglect the welfare of their people...and I'm getting nauseous over this s--t!Zheng is in her mid-20s,has NEVER won anything more than the puniest Tier 4,she's NEVER even entered the Top 25.......and,thanks to Ana's serving like one of Jerry's Kids,she resembled a combo of Steffi Graf and Serena Williams.

I still adore Ana but I SOOOOO wish she could've avoided being a mere tool for the s--thead Communist P.R. machine.The REAL Ana was supposed to stand up in Beijing:sad:...if THAT was the real Ana then the future couldn't be any darker if we had a FULL eclipse.I just HATE seeing her lose like that....to one of THEM especially.Yeah,yeah,I'm aware that Jie Zheng doesn't shoot people in the back of the head for 'crimes against the Party'...but she carries the flag for those who DO....I'm just sick over this...it's as if RG was only a dream that NEVER really happened.:sad:

ok...you have the right to write whatever you want and I respect that but still I think you're reading too much into this. Lets not forget this is sports..

and as for that comment about zheng - it's really uncalled for (to say the least) and I hope you realize that and edit your post asap. Pls, do that. The girl won that match fair and square. Our girl lost and we have to deal with that without resorting to below the belt mannerism.

jelenacg
Sep 26th, 2008, 08:59 AM
You can say bad things about every nation
I agree that Zheng won that match fair and square but i`m not disappointed bc as i said Ana`s form is coming back
Chinese girls are always dangerous if you are not in your best just ask JJ
She is now 5-5 after RG but that will change in Moscow
I didn`t see any mental issue that i should be worrying about
I can say that a bad days are behind us

bruce goose
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:03 AM
ok...you have the right to write whatever you want and I respect that but still I think you're reading too much into this. Lets not forget this is sports..

and as for that comment about zheng - it's really uncalled for (to say the least) and I hope you realize that and edit your post asap. Pls, do that. The girl won that match fair and square. Our girl lost and we have to deal with that without resorting to below the belt mannerism.You were right about the personal insult,Cocco,and I DID just fix it as per your recommendation.In almost ALL cases,I'd agree with you that it's only sports,but if you look at history you'll see how proud people were to defeat the Soviet sports machine because of what it represented.To ME,the Communist Chinese are no different than the U.S.S.R. was--maybe WORSE,if anything.

I don't dispute that Zheng won 'fair and square'...I'm just sick that she did.At this point,Ana needs to withdraw from YEC cuz she's gonna get HUMILIATED by the Williams girls,Dementieva,Safina,or Sharapova.It's gonna be three BRUTALLY UNcompetitive,straight-set losses in a row during the Round Robin stage,and this will only destroy Ana's confidence...maybe fOREVER.Perhaps she should enter some ITF tourneys since that's the only way she'll get any match play at the current rate.We just better hope that Julie Coin hasn't entered those particular tourneys.As I DON'T believe in superstition,I simply can't fathom what it would take for Ana to tap into her enormous talent again.Every other explanation:"She just needs some match play," "She just needed to lose the #1 ranking","She just needs a change of scenery",have failed miserably...we're OUT of answers and plausible excuses now:sad:

bruce goose
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:09 AM
You can say bad things about every nation
I agree that Zheng won that match fair and square but i`m not disappointed bc as i said Ana`s form is coming back
Chinese girls are always dangerous if you are not in your best just ask JJ
She is now 5-5 after RG but that will change in Moscow
I didn`t see any mental issue that i should be worrying about
I can say that a bad days are behind usWell,Jelena,I respect your right to hold your opinion,but I watched the match and I didn't see ANY reason for optimism.It only APPEARED that she improved superficially because she lost easily to towel girls like Julie Coin,and you can't GET any worse than THAT...indeed,no #1 ever HAS.Compared to THAT,yeah,losing to Zheng looks pretty good,yet I can GUARANTEE you that other Top 5 players don't have such a low standard for themselves.

Nikkiri
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:11 AM
Sad loss :sobbing:

Hmm Verdasco was sitting in Ana's box. :hehehe:

jelenacg
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:27 AM
Well i guess we didn`t see the same match
She could have won this match but she didn`t, she missed her chances
Now she is a month or little more that she is free of injuries and that she is training hard
The result will come,no need to worry
I`m sure we want have this conversation in Moscow
People are just expecting her to roll up at these tournaments and win straight away, it's never going to happen, you have to play your way into form it doesn't just happen overnight

I saw Verdasco too,he is ugly but if she likes him...

cocco80
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:37 AM
You were right about the personal insult,Cocco,and I DID just fix it as per your recommendation.In almost ALL cases,I'd agree with you that it's only sports,but if you look at history you'll see how proud people were to defeat the Soviet sports machine because of what it represented.To ME,the Communist Chinese are no different than the U.S.S.R. was--maybe WORSE,if anything.

I don't dispute that Zheng won 'fair and square'...I'm just sick that she did.At this point,Ana needs to withdraw from YEC cuz she's gonna get HUMILIATED by the Williams girls,Dementieva,Safina,or Sharapova.It's gonna be three BRUTALLY UNcompetitive,straight-set losses in a row during the Round Robin stage,and this will only destroy Ana's confidence...maybe fOREVER.Perhaps she should enter some ITF tourneys since that's the only way she'll get any match play at the current rate.We just better hope that Julie Coin hasn't entered those particular tourneys.As I DON'T believe in superstition,I simply can't fathom what it would take for Ana to tap into her enormous talent again.Every other explanation:"She just needs some match play," "She just needed to lose the #1 ranking","She just needs a change of scenery",have failed miserably...we're OUT of answers and plausible excuses now:sad:

Thank you, bruce ! :worship: I knew you would do it.

Regarding the main content of your post - I'm really trying to understand your point of view but you have to have a more open mind about the world around you and by that I mean - putting things into perspective.
Democracy should also be about letting other nations have the right to choose how they want to run their own country. Revolutions should come from within and not by forcing it from the outside (the "good old" guns&bombs technique). At least that's how I see it. I think your understanding of chinese culture and history is somewhat one-sided and probably a result of some heavy US propaganda. Of course I'm not denying there are some shameful episodes in history of chinese people but that doesn't mean we can look at the world in black and white...there are just different shades of grey, if you ask me. :o

By your post one might come to the conclusion all chinese should immedietly flee the country and boycott everything remotely related to China. Is that what you're saying? It doesn't work that way. If one day chinese ppl decide to change their political system - they will do so. On their own terms, of course. That's the only (right) way, my friend.

bruce goose
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:44 AM
Well i guess we didn`t see the same match
She could have won this match but she didn`t, she missed her chances
Now she is a month or little more that she is free of injuries and that she is training hard
The result will come,no need to worry
I`m sure we want have this conversation in Moscow
People are just expecting her to roll up at these tournaments and win straight away, it's never going to happen, you have to play your way into form it doesn't just happen overnight

I saw Verdasco too,he is ugly but if she likes him...I could speculate about what Ana's doing in her spare time as a possible cause of her on-court problems,but I have no proof so that'd be unfair.
Yes,she SHOULD have won the match but she choked TWICE in serving for the first set...in fact,her serve was pure shit for most of the match.She had some brief,emphasis on BRIEF,stretches where she overpowered and outclassed Zheng...who was EASILY whipped by Zvonareva,in straight sets,in her last tourney....And then Ana appeared COMPLETELY overmatched by Zheng's low-ball strategy....She resembled a teen who was overwhelmed by Henin or some dominant veteran.
Maybe when RG 2009 rolls around and Ana STILL hasn't won 2 matches in a row,THEN people will admit that there might be a problem.She should withdraw from YEC right now cuz she doesn't belong there with this brand of tennis she's playing

azdaja
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:46 AM
True but this one just feels different, you just get the feeling things a starting to click for Ana again. You didn't get that feeling after her win versus Dushevina for example
it didn't feel different for me. a win against jie would have been the one where i would say ok, she is back. no such luck.

now i am really passionate about her winning another slam and returning to #1. it must happen next year!

bruce goose
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:54 AM
By your post one might come to the conclusion all chinese should immedietly flee the country and boycott everything remotely related to China. Is that what you're saying? It doesn't work that way. If one day chinese ppl decide to change their political system - they will do so. On their own terms, of course. That's the only (right) way, my friend.It's 3:45 in Estado Chihuahua and I'm NOT gonna get any sleep but I'll lie down an dlet my body rest for a couple hours before work tomorrow(today,actually)

I'll only say that my info is NOT based on gringo propaganda,Cocco,it comes DIRECTLY from people who live there.Those f--king bastards force women to have abortions--dragging them into clinics--when they've determined that they have too many children.This is not a rumor,it's a FACT!!! The leaders there are little better than animals and,depending on the animal,often WORSE.As I said,it makes me SICK that Ana's just another tool now that they can laugh at with their propaganda machine...that's it for now...I'm pissed off and exhausted and I'll chat with you later,friend...thanks for your candor on the off-color comment:hatoff:

jelenacg
Sep 26th, 2008, 10:02 AM
Zvonareva is a good player and she is in a good form right now ,today Ana wasn`t at her best and she still could have won that match
Her serve was weak i agree and didn`t give her a lot of free points but that can be improved by practice
Ana played bad in Berlin and Rome and no one could expect her to do well in RG but she did
You just can`t predict how is she going to play 1,2 months from now and when will everything just click for her
In just 7 days she played so much better than in Tokyo so no reason not to expect her to play way better in Moscow

cocco80
Sep 26th, 2008, 10:10 AM
Zvonareva is a good player and she is in a good form right now ,today Ana wasn`t at her best and she still could have won that match
Her serve was weak i agree and didn`t give her a lot of free points but that can be improved by practice
Ana played bad in Berlin and Rome and no one could expect her to do well in RG but she did
You just can`t predict how is she going to play 1,2 months from now and when will everything just click for her
In just 7 days she played so much better than in Tokyo so no reason not to expect her to play way better in Moscow

you're such an optimist :worship:
I love it. Great balance (bruce is being quite a pessimist..not that I blame him:sad:)

gaviotabr
Sep 26th, 2008, 10:41 AM
Unfortunately today I didn't wake up to good news.. :sad:

Well.. I have not seen anything of the match, just read the thread here and in Ana's forum. I guess she had her opportunities and couldn't take them. It's such a pity.. I really think a win against Zheng could give her confidence, which she clearly lacks. Wasting so many break points, and failing to serve out a set not once but twice is sign of nerves, lack of confidence and belief. I don't think that by only playing more matches she will improve on this, I'll repeat it, she needs to work on her mental game. But of course she needs to play more, because that will give her more rythm. She also needs to work on her serve. I get the feeling that since Indian Wells she hasn't really served that well. And it cracks under any kind of pressure. I'm hoping we can see a better Ana in Moscow. It's kind of good that she won't have a first round bye, since she will have the opportunity to play more matches.

It's a little sad though.. that Ana only had 3 really good tournaments this year.

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 26th, 2008, 11:44 AM
:sobbing: i so wanted you to win this but it wasn't meant to be....nevertheless you will rise like the true champion you are ;)


form is temporary, class is permanent...:yeah:

SOA_MC
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:16 PM
it didn't feel different for me. a win against jie would have been the one where i would say ok, she is back. no such luck.

now i am really passionate about her winning another slam and returning to #1. it must happen next year!

I stand by it call me a sucker but I believe the corner was turned in Beijing she's obviously not there yet but I saw good signs for optimism

azdaja
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:46 PM
I stand by it call me a sucker but I believe the corner was turned in Beijing she's obviously not there yet but I saw good signs for optimism
no, no, i hope you are right and i haven't seen any ana matches since us open. i sure do believe she will be back, i'm only not sure when.

DownTheLine21
Sep 26th, 2008, 01:42 PM
Well, at least it looks like she put up a better fight against Zheng this time. Was she broken at 4-4 on the third set, or earlier in the third set?

jelenacg
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:20 PM
First Zheng broke her for 0-1 then Ana broke back
Ana had 40-15 on her serve but Zheng broke her again(1-2)
Until the end of the set she had a lot of chances to break back especially in 3-4(i think she had 2,3 break points)but she simply didn`t us them
If only her serve was better in this match... she was serving two times for first set

bruce goose
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:31 PM
Well, at least it looks like she put up a better fight against Zheng this time. Was she broken at 4-4 on the third set, or earlier in the third set?It was at 2-2 and she played like shit every time she had a slight opening to break back,dumping WIDE OPEN,unrushed shots into the middle of the net.


Just to expose the Zheng fraud a little more,Anna Kournikova,Alexandra Stevenson and Mirjana Lucic ALSO made Wimbledon semis...it's a classic case of a lesser talent having a lucky fluke tournament.Even so,Zheng NEVER would've made it that far if she had played a different seed than "Terrified of Chinese" Ivanovic.How can I say that?Let's look at Zheng's career win-loss vs. the LEGIT members of the YEC-bound Top 8:It's 1-12...that's one-and-TWELVE!!!
0-2 vs. Serena,zero sets won
1-4 vs. JJ...and THAT win,7-5,4-6,7-5,was 3 years ago before Jelena had ever entered the Top 15
0-3 vs. Dinara,took ONE set back when Dina was a teenager,still an easy win
0-0,LUCKY for Zheng she hasn't faced Dementieva
0-1 vs. Masha,zero sets won
0-1 vs. Venus,zero sets won
0-1 vs. Kuzy...6-0,6-1 in fact

In 13 matches vs. the TRUE elite,she's gotten 3 measly sets,yet she tripled her win total with two easy wins vs. Ana;she was barely challenged on her serve in the 3rd set.This is a very disturbing pattern of best-ever performances by lesser players.......always against the same opponent:(

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 26th, 2008, 02:59 PM
Now I hear she's playing better now? I haven't seen the earlier matches but if she's indeed playing better then I'm glad I haven't seen them.

It's hard to say what I think when I see Ana like this. You can't even talk about good or bad. An off day can happen, I can accept that.
Coming back from an injury, then I shouldn't expect the best. I know she hasn't played much lately, so with some more practise it should be ok.

But what's happening here is FAR from ok.
Zheng was the master of the match and Ana just hoped Zheng would choke at the important points.
Serve was no where. You can if call the movement.
You saw the FH once in a while, but that's about it.

Where is my Ana? :sad: If she just misses because her game is off, then I can at least understand it. But I understand nothing about this. Not aggressive at all and the worst at all. It looks like she can't play better than this. She got outplayed easily, while I'm used to that Ana is the one who says what will happen in the match.
Maybe it's because of women. But how can someone who wins RG and becomes nr 1, play this.... I can't even use the word bad. It's not 'bad' it's just totally not Ana.

And by saying playing more and eventually it will be allright. Then you're just blind. That won't change a thing about the next slump which will obvious come if she continues like this.
You're so good and won already so much, but still the confidence is SO LOW. I'm don't play much tennis, but I play chess at kinda high level. And I really don't understand a thing about this.

The only thing I can think of that might be a reason, is that she lost some power. She says she feels fresh, but someone I think her strength isn't 100%.

jelenacg
Sep 26th, 2008, 03:09 PM
Well nobody is saying that Zheng is a great player,but she saw she has a chance to win a match and she was trying,you can`t blame her for that
As i said before Ana needs her weapons (serve and forehand)to defeat another player
She is attacker not defender,when you take her weapons from her its much more easy to defeat her
Like JJ she is a defender,she runs for every ball when she is injured or sick and doesn`t` move very well its much more easier to beat her
I don`t worry to much about her record against Zheng,Coin...
She needs to have a good record against a top players

dybbuk
Sep 26th, 2008, 03:45 PM
Ana definitely is getting better, some people are too pessimistic. The way she played last night can't be compared to her form against Paszek or Coin for example. I think Sven needs to go to Moscow with her to help prepare her.

DownTheLine21
Sep 26th, 2008, 03:59 PM
Ana definitely is getting better, some people are too pessimistic. The way she played last night can't be compared to her form against Paszek or Coin for example. I think Sven needs to go to Moscow with her to help prepare her.

Yes. After her better play in Beijing, maybe she'll finally break out in Moscow. This may seem overly optimistic, but I wouldn't be surprised if she did well there.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:03 PM
Of course she's trying. That may not ever be an issue.
She had her chances cause Zheng wasn't playing great either.
If we saw the same Zheng from Wimbledon, Ana wouldn't make a 3rd set either.

And I don't see an improvement from the Paszek.
She's slow, not aggressive and still too many errors.
The way Zheng got the breaks back in the first set is really hard to watch. Zheng easily got the games without playing great tennis.

Lately I watch the SF RG 2008 a lot. It's hard to believe this is the same Ana. I want to be optimistic, but I would lie if I say she looks ok now.
It's just too many tournament in a row I see this level.
It gets me frustrated cause I really want Ana to do well, but I can't change a thing about it.

MarieC
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:10 PM
I stand by it call me a sucker but I believe the corner was turned in Beijing she's obviously not there yet but I saw good signs for optimism

I saw the signs too. For parts of the match she had her confidence, and when she did she was winning points. I haven't seen that in a while. However she just can't seem to hold onto that confidence. You see her tense up and when that happens the serves go in the net, and the errors pile up. Also the focus seems to be slipping away during the rest period between the 2nd and 3rd sets. After winning a set handedly she needs to be focused on that first service game. You can see when she gets broken early that the confidence just goes away for the rest of the set. I think that there were many bright points to this match. She was in it the whole time and at points was hitting great winners. What she really needs to do is stay focused at all times,and she also has to be the aggressor on the court. Her opponents get the upper hand when Ana goes into defensive mode on rallies, but when she is the aggressor and is coming up to the net she's winning the points. I think having to play the first round in Moscow will be good for her. Lets just hope she used what she learned here and builds on it

jelenacg
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:16 PM
Zheng has 25 years she is not Venus or Serena,she looked so good in Wimbledon bc Ana couldn`t do anything there
This what we saw in todays match is the best you can see from her
If Ana`s forehand and serve worked like we are used to ,we would see Zheng running around
I agree that she wasn`t aggressive enough but i think is better to try to defend sometimes and not to be too aggressive and make a lot of UE what she used to do

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:23 PM
Zheng has 25 years she is not Venus or Serena,she looked so good in Wimbledon bc Ana couldn`t do anything there
This what we saw in todays match is the best you can see from her
If Ana`s forehand and serve worked like we are used to ,we would see Zheng running around
I agree that she wasn`t aggressive enough but i think is better to try to defend sometimes and not to be too aggressive and make a lot of UE what she used to do

No way this was the best Zheng. I can't even say she was playing good.

If she starts defending now, it means she keeps desperate and goes for a game plan which is not her style at all.
Besides, if she start defending then at least make sure your movement is ok. And also so many short balls.
I can't believe that people say she played ok.

jelenacg
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:41 PM
I said she was playing better than in Tokyo,it`s still average but better
I`m not happy about it but i`m not dissatisfied
She is still far from her best but i can see that she is improving and that her form is coming back
I don`t want her to start defending and not attacking but if she is not at her best(and she knows it)i think in some situation is better to try to defend and to win a point like that than making a lot of UE by attacking
And if you were watching her matches in RG i can understand why you are disappointed now :)
Grass is Zheng best surface and if Ana could have won this match today even playing average that says everything about Zheng at least that is what i think

gaviotabr
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:46 PM
This is, for sure, the worst period in Ana's career. And what worries me is that all she says is that it's a matter of lack of match play. She probably had a bit more rythm in this match, that might be the reason many people think she played better. But still, rythm only takes you that far.. she needs to get control of her concentration. Like when she served for the first set. She was so easily broken, that for me it's clear it was a matter of focus and of lack of belief. It's almost like she doesn't believe she can win a match these days... Sometimes I think Ana lacks that top player pride, that prevents them from losing to any scrub. They might be playing like crap, but out of sheer determination they find a way to win. I feel like if Ana is not totally confident she thinks she can lose to anyone, and that is something she should not think, as it kills any kind of selbelief in a match like this. Also.. she keeps losing exactly the same way, winning the second set in some dominant fashion (I mean by the scoreline, even if it's still not her playing well), only to get broken early in the third and miss opportunities. She lets her concentration slip away too easily. And as long as she doesn't recognize the real problems, I don't see her getting any better than this.

I feel sorry for her ranking also. If she doesn't start to get some points in the tournaments she has left, she can be number 6 by the end of the year.. and even out of the top 10 after the AO. It would be sad, because Ana has really fought to be a top player, but maybe fair, since she isn't playing like one now. She has so many points to defend for the first part of the season, that if this slump isn't over by january, it's going to be tough.

I also fear that it might happen to her what happened to Kuzzie. After she won the US Open she could barely win a match and fell all the way to number 18. She got back, but became a headcase after that. Seing Ana failing to serve out a set twice, it made me wonder how many times that has happened to Ana before, as I didn't really remember any. But it happened against Dechy at Wimbledon. Ana served for the first and for the third set at 5-3, and blew both opportunities. She also did it against Bammer in Berlin, by got the set by breaking right back. The match against Dechy, I think that was the turning point of the season. She was coming from a high after winning RG, and to have so many difficulties to win a match she probably thought would be easy messes with her head. And right after she had the thumb injury, that just finished the job of killing her self belief.

I can't be very positive at this moment, as I don't see Ana getting pass the quarters of Moscow...

gaviotabr
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:50 PM
I said she was playing better than in Tokyo,it`s still average but better
I`m not happy about it but i`m not dissatisfied
She is still far from her best but i can see that she is improving and that her form is coming back
I don`t want her to start defending and not attacking but if she is not at her best(and she knows it)i think in some situation is better to try to defend and to win a point like that than making a lot of UE by attacking
And if you were watching her matches in RG i can understand why you are disappointed now :)
Grass is Zheng best surface and if Ana could have won this match today even playing average that says everything about Zheng at least that is what i think

I think Ana might have to realise that there are other ways to be agressive, not only bashing the ball. I wish she had gone to the net in some of the crucial points.. she is better than she thinks at the net. She could also use drop shots... and against players like Zheng she should use moon balls, she hates it and can't do a thing with it. Just like players use low, fast balls against Ana, they know she hates it, she should use moon balls against players like Zheng.. its tatics, and some safer way to be agressive.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 26th, 2008, 04:58 PM
This is, for sure, the worst period in Ana's career. And what worries me is that all she says is that it's a matter of lack of match play. She probably had a bit more rythm in this match, that might be the reason many people think she played better. But still, rythm only takes you that far.. she needs to get control of her concentration. Like when she served for the first set. She was so easily broken, that for me it's clear it was a matter of focus and of lack of belief. It's almost like she doesn't believe she can win a match these days... Sometimes I think Ana lacks that top player pride, that prevents them from losing to any scrub. They might be playing like crap, but out of sheer determination they find a way to win. I feel like if Ana is not totally confident she thinks she can lose to anyone, and that is something she should not think, as it kills any kind of selbelief in a match like this. Also.. she keeps losing exactly the same way, winning the second set in some dominant fashion (I mean by the scoreline, even if it's still not her playing well), only to get broken early in the third and miss opportunities. She lets her concentration slip away too easily. And as long as she doesn't recognize the real problems, I don't see her getting any better than this.

I feel sorry for her ranking also. If she doesn't start to get some points in the tournaments she has left, she can be number 6 by the end of the year.. and even out of the top 10 after the AO. It would be sad, because Ana has really fought to be a top player, but maybe fair, since she isn't playing like one now. She has so many points to defend for the first part of the season, that if this slump isn't over by january, it's going to be tough.

I also fear that it might happen to her what happened to Kuzzie. After she won the US Open she could barely win a match and fell all the way to number 18. She got back, but became a headcase after that. Seing Ana failing to serve out a set twice, it made me wonder how many times that has happened to Ana before, as I didn't really remember any. But it happened against Dechy at Wimbledon. Ana served for the first and for the third set at 5-3, and blew both opportunities. She also did it against Bammer in Berlin, by got the set by breaking right back. The match against Dechy, I think that was the turning point of the season. She was coming from a high after winning RG, and to have so many difficulties to win a match she probably thought would be easy messes with her head. And right after she had the thumb injury, that just finished the job of killing her self belief.

I can't be very positive at this moment, as I don't see Ana getting pass the quarters of Moscow...

It's not really that she losing the matches the same way. Just coincidence that it all went 3 setters. Today she could have won set 1 and still lose. It's not that she played great tennis in set 2.
Kvitova, Paszek, Dushevina, Coin and also this one it's about the same level she played. Won 2 and lost 3. I haven't seen the Petrova match but probably it would be the same.

And blew more chances to serve out a set.
She served twice for the match against Dechy in Antwerp 2007 and lost even the 3rd set. Dulko in Charleston was almost the same. 4-1 with a double break and then needed to save BP's at 5-4.
Most of these matches were the same level.
Win set 1, lose set 2 and win set 3.
With the losses it's lost set 1, win 2 and lose 3. It's not just from this time. Bondarenko in Stuttgart last year is just another example.

The match against Golovin in Amelia Island is one of the rare ones, were she actually played ok tennis.

And again, I still don't know what the real problem is. I hear what she's saying and then I see her play. Mostly it doesn't make sense to me. I only know that something has to change.
I also better stop with this discussion, cause it ends with saying the same things.

gaviotabr
Sep 26th, 2008, 05:06 PM
It's not really that she losing the matches the same way. Just coincidence that it all went 3 setters. Today she could have won set 1 and still lose. It's not that she played great tennis in set 2.
Kvitova, Paszek, Dushevina, Coin and also this one it's about the same level she played. Won 2 and lost 3. I haven't seen the Petrova match but probably it would be the same.

And blew more chances to serve out a set.
She served twice for the match against Dechy in Antwerp 2007 and lost even the 3rd set. Dulko in Charleston was almost the same. 4-1 with a double break and then needed to save BP's at 5-4.
Most of these matches were the same level.
Win set 1, lose set 2 and win set 3.
With the losses it's lost set 1, win 2 and lose 3. It's not just from this time. Bondarenko in Stuttgart last year is just another example.

The match against Golovin in Amelia Island is one of the rare ones, were she actually played ok tennis.

And again, I still don't know what the real problem is. I hear what she's saying and then I see her play. Mostly it doesn't make sense to me. I only know that something has to change.
I also better stop with this discussion, cause it ends with saying the same things.

Well... you know what I think.. for me it's pretty clear that the problem is her mental game.. she is just not mentlly strong at all right now, and loses focus faster than a blink. The thing is that she isn't showing any improvement in that, and seems to have chosen to ignore it, instead of aknowledge it and work seriously on it.

I'm also beginning to doubt her team a little. They seem to be making nothing but wrong decisions since RG.

jelenacg
Sep 26th, 2008, 05:20 PM
I can say only one thing we can all become psychologist,at least Ana is making us:)
I don`t know what people are writing in other player forums but they can`t compete with these psycho analisis:):)
Only she knows what is happening in her head
But a lack of matches has something to do with her confidence
I know this bc after Novak Djokovic lost in Wimbledon he had some difficult matches against player he would defeat in past very easy,also his serve wasn`t working well
She knows how to construct a point you can`t win RG by bashing the ball
I don`t think she will fall in rankings that much like Sveta and i`m sure she will play better in Moscow
I agree that she looses her focus very easy:confused:
Also if she can`t make shots what she used to it`s normal that her confidence is not that high,but that`s no reason to be that low

DownTheLine21
Sep 26th, 2008, 05:58 PM
Where has Dexter been?

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:23 PM
Where has Dexter been?

It's not exactly going great since he left.

bruce goose
Sep 26th, 2008, 06:43 PM
Well... you know what I think.. for me it's pretty clear that the problem is her mental game.. she is just not mentlly strong at all right now, and loses focus faster than a blink. The thing is that she isn't showing any improvement in that, and seems to have chosen to ignore it, instead of aknowledge it and work seriously on it.

I'm also beginning to doubt her team a little. They seem to be making nothing but wrong decisions since RG.The saddest part is that folks here are happy that she 'ONLY' got her ass kicked a little bit instead of a lot.I'm not criticizing those optimists as bad people but it shows you how pathetic Ana's situation has become.

Imagine if Russian national hockey slipped a lot...and then they lost a game to Latvia,5-1.Afterwards,some people said,"Oh,they're improving from before when they lost 10-0!" THAT'S how hopeless it is with Ana now.They say it's "progress" that she got her ass kicked LESS by a marginal player,as if she's not even EXPECTED to win anymore...and,honestly,why SHOULD we expect that??Unless Brie Whitehead is getting a wildcard to Moscow,Ana shouldn't bother playing because practically no one in the field will be easy enough for her to beat,and she ought to withdraw from YEC so that Zvonareva can have her spot...at least Vera would be COMPETITIVE there.In a few more months,her ranking will drop so low after AO 2009 that she'll be fORCED to face Serena,Dinara,Dementieva,etc. as a FIRST round opponent...and THEN the scores will get REALLY ugly:eek:

jelenacg
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:42 PM
I admit i`m optimist but you are such a pesimist
Now even Vera has become a better player than Ana,only bc she had some good results lately
I don`t know if we are talking about the same person bc Vera that i know you could almost see crying in some of her matches
And why should she give her spot in YEC to Vera ,it wasn`t given to her for free she earned it
And i don`t want to talk about AO 09 bc it 4 months away,do you really think she will not improve anything or rise her form in that time
Ana that i know in her first grand slam final froze, but a year later was the champion-so yes i`m optimist:):)

bruce goose
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:56 PM
I admit i`m optimist but you are such a pesimist
Now even Vera has become a better player than Ana,only bc she had some good results lately
I don`t know if we are talking about the same person bc Vera that i know you could almost see crying in some of her matches
And why should she give her spot in YEC to Vera ,it wasn`t given to her for free she earned it
And i don`t want to talk about AO 09 bc it 4 months away,do you really think she will not improve anything or rise her form in that time
Ana that i know in her first grand slam final froze, but a year later was the champion-so yes i`m optimist:):)My only point about Zvonareva is that YEC is supposed to be the elite showcase of the WTA.You're correct that,TECHNICALLY,Ana earned her position,but she's not even capable of providing a competitive match right now with that group,so it'd be embarrassing to women's tennis,AND to Ana,to have a 6-1,6-1--or maybe double bagel--scoreline that will happen when she plays an elite player.Vera talks to herself and is loopy sometimes but I've seen her beat Serena even when SW was playing well without UEs,and she's a tough opponent who could provide much,MUCH higher quality than Ana at YEC...after this tourney, Vera will likely be #9 in YEC points,only one spot away.

I'm genuinely glad for you that you can still smile;that's a very good quality that you possess...I just wish I had a reason to join you.......

jelenacg
Sep 26th, 2008, 08:19 PM
In my country they say that pessimist is a realistic optimist:)
Anyway every player has a bad periods(i know this one is going for so long)
But i remember how everybody was saying last year that Maria should retired but then she was great in YEC and AO:worship::worship:,what i`m saying is that great players have bad periods but they are champions and they are here to stay
Ana didn`t accomplish all of this just to lose it,she is a fighter and she will bounce back
Have some faith in her:)

The Daviator
Sep 26th, 2008, 08:47 PM
Her last 4 losses -

6-2 1-6 6-2

6-3 4-6 6-3

6-1 1-6 6-2

7-6 2-6 6-4

WTF? She's winning 2nd sets, and not even winning them but easily in most cases, and then folds in the 3rd :confused: I don't know what's up, but she still has 4 more tournaments left this year, so she can still salvage it, I hope :help:

bruce goose
Sep 26th, 2008, 08:51 PM
In my country they say that pessimist is a realistic optimist:)
Anyway every player has a bad periods(i know this one is going for so long)
But i remember how everybody was saying last year that Maria should retired but then she was great in YEC and AO:worship::worship:,what i`m saying is that great players have bad periods but they are champions and they are here to stay
Ana didn`t accomplish all of this just to lose it,she is a fighter and she will bounce back
Have some faith in her:)Perhaps you're right and I'm just too blinded by disapointment to see it.With the Williams girls and Elena D. being fairly close to retirement,I think that Ana and Dinara are capable of having an awesome,exciting rivalry that would be an ALL-time great for women's tennis.Nothing against lovely,tall Dinara:hearts:,but Ana is so charming that she would be the charismatic one of this pair,and she could truly be the 'face of women's tennis' in a figurative sense.It would be a HUGE loss for tennis if Ana got burned out by all these defeats and faded away early as Tracy Austin did(showing my mid-30s age:help::help:).

I'll give Zheng the benefit of the doubt(COULD be wrong,though),and I'll assume that she's a peon who doesn't have much clout with Communist leadership.All Ana's losses hurt a bit,but THIS one is the WORST since it happened right in Beijing.I know QUITE A BIT about the disgusting brutality of the Chinese govermnment's human rights violations,and now their propaganda machine is bragging in the papers as their Poster Girl,Zheng,beat a former #1 for the 2nd time:rolleyes:..it makes me sick inside.Normally,I don't care for Kuzy too much,but I'd LOVE to see her double bagel Zheng as she almost did before(6-0,6-1).......and then take a baseball bat to the mayor of Beijing's skull after the match!....Then again,poor Kuzy doesn't deserve to spend her life in Chinese prison so we MIGHt have to postpone the second part of that wish.

jelenacg
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:06 PM
Her last 4 losses -

6-2 1-6 6-2

6-3 4-6 6-3

6-1 1-6 6-2

7-6 2-6 6-4

WTF? She's winning 2nd sets, and not even winning them but easily in most cases, and then folds in the 3rd :confused: I don't know what's up, but she still has 4 more tournaments left this year, so she can still salvage it, I hope :help:
If only we knew:confused::confused:
Only thing i can see from that ,there is no consistency in her game sadly:help:

duhcity
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:09 PM
I'm sick to my f--king stomach here:(;I have Taiwanese friends in the U.S. who have family & comrades trapped on the Communist mainland.Some of these people get dragged from their homes and burned on the face with cattle prods,IN FRONT OF tHEIR cHILDREN,by the lowlife pieces of s--t who run that backward country(due to their religious beliefs).

The Communist-run media over there blathered on and on about how they won all those Mickey Mouse gold medals in events such as dog bathing when they couldn't win jack s--t in the REAL,marquee sports.ZERO golds in Track,for example,and let's not forget how the Russians just easily BITCH-slapped China's best all over the tennis court even though the Chinese spectators were EXTREMELY rude during the matches.The Communist propaganda machine neglects to mention how the child athletes are,essentially,slaves who are driven to succeed under threat of cruel torture.

...And NOW they have another excuse to brag about how wonderful Communism is because some nobody who'll never sniff a Grand Slam named Jie Zheng beat Ana AGAIN!! That'll be on the front page of their newspaper while the stinking bastards completely neglect the welfare of their people...and I'm getting nauseous over this s--t!Zheng is in her mid-20s,has NEVER won anything more than the puniest Tier 4,she's NEVER even entered the Top 25.......and,thanks to Ana's serving like one of Jerry's Kids,she resembled a combo of Steffi Graf and Serena Williams.

I still adore Ana but I SOOOOO wish she could've avoided being a mere tool for the s--thead Communist P.R. machine.The REAL Ana was supposed to stand up in Beijing:sad:...if THAT was the real Ana then the future couldn't be any darker if we had a FULL eclipse.I just HATE seeing her lose like that....to one of THEM especially.Yeah,yeah,I'm aware that Jie Zheng doesn't shoot people in the back of the head for 'crimes against the Party'...but she carries the flag for those who DO....I'm just sick over this...it's as if RG was only a dream that NEVER really happened.:sad:

I like Zheng, but even I wanted Ana to win this. She can be a truly great player no matter how much I dont like her, but shes been so off.

But seriously, did you need to drag politics and countries into this? Im Taiwanese, both of my parents are, and my aunts and uncles live in China and Taiwan. As far as im concertened they're all alive without cattle prods being burned into their faces.

Again, I respect your views as you have every right to say them, but exactly what does China's brand of communism have to do anything with Zheng Jie? Is it their teaching methods? CAuse Jie looks extremely satisfied and happy about her tennis, so I doubt its that. Some of your criticisms are extremely off, and definetly pulled out of somewhere that is not in the realm of reality. This communist machine isn't the same one that Marx or anyone else thought of so many years ago. Plus, how can anyone decide which system is the best, which is right. Even Western countries have forced their ideas on their own people.

But I digress from the point. Tennis.

AT the moment all of the Russians are bitch slapping most of the players anyway

gaviotabr
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:24 PM
Her last 4 losses -

6-2 1-6 6-2

6-3 4-6 6-3

6-1 1-6 6-2

7-6 2-6 6-4

WTF? She's winning 2nd sets, and not even winning them but easily in most cases, and then folds in the 3rd :confused: I don't know what's up, but she still has 4 more tournaments left this year, so she can still salvage it, I hope :help:

That's what I've been saying for a while. Her losses follow this weird trend.. Though I thought she should have won the first set today.. had it not been a major choke failing to produce good shots both times she served for the set. But still.. she recovers in the second set and then loses focus.. she just can't seem to keep the momentum.

MarieC
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:25 PM
Her last 4 losses -

6-2 1-6 6-2

6-3 4-6 6-3

6-1 1-6 6-2

7-6 2-6 6-4

WTF? She's winning 2nd sets, and not even winning them but easily in most cases, and then folds in the 3rd :confused: I don't know what's up, but she still has 4 more tournaments left this year, so she can still salvage it, I hope :help:


What is happening between the 2nd and 3rd set is definitely concerning. She should have all the momentum going into the 3rd set after a convincing win in the 2nd but there just seems to be a wall between the two sets, and its a completely different player that comes out in the 3rd set. This is something she really needs to pay attention to. She's letting her focus slip away too easy here.

I need to clarify that I definitely don't think as a whole Ana played the match well. There were way too many ugly moments in the match to classify it as playing well. I'd give it a fair classification. But I do feel that there were more bright spots that exhibited the old Ana then there has been as of late that she can build on and take into the next tournament.

bruce goose
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:30 PM
I like Zheng, but even I wanted Ana to win this. She can be a truly great player no matter how much I dont like her, but shes been so off.

Im Taiwanese, both of my parents are, and my aunts and uncles live in China and Taiwan. As far as im concertened they're all alive without cattle prods being burned into their faces.

ome of your criticisms are extremely off, and definetly pulled out of somewhere that is not in the realm of reality. This communist machine isn't the same one that Marx or anyone else thought of so many years ago. Plus, how can anyone decide which system is the best, which is right. Even Western countries have forced their ideas on their own people.

But I digress from the point. Tennis.

AT the moment all of the Russians are bitch slapping most of the players anywayWell,my friends the Wangs are honorable people,and I SERIOUSLY doubt they're fabricating lies to me...NOR do I believe that the NUMEROUS asylum-seekers who have fled to the U.S. are simply telling tear-stained stories in some mass conspiracy to get on TV.Christians in China are STILL shot in the back of the head even without legal trials,and women are dragged into state-run clinics for forced abortions.Perhaps you've gotten so comfortable with your freedom in the U.S. that you've lost touch with the atrocities that happen on the mainland....As I explained,even though Zheng isn't a government official,she dOES carry the flag for Chinese Communism so THAT'S what hurts the most for me...seeing Ana lose to THAT

Dinayer
Sep 26th, 2008, 10:13 PM
Ana :sobbing: :sad:

jelenacg
Sep 26th, 2008, 10:24 PM
Someone posted this on her forum :
`She was really aggressive and she was dominating a lot. At the (time) I wasn't realising I was running a lot, but after the match when I talked to my coach, he was saying that, probably, I should have been more aggressive`

http://uk.reuters.com/article/tennisNews/idUKLQ62370620080926?rpc=401&&pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

MarieC
Sep 26th, 2008, 10:31 PM
Someone posted this on her forum :
`She was really aggressive and she was dominating a lot. At the (time) I wasn't realising I was running a lot, but after the match when I talked to my coach, he was saying that, probably, I should have been more aggressive`

http://uk.reuters.com/article/tennisNews/idUKLQ62370620080926?rpc=401&&pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

She didn't realize that she was running a lot... oh boy! That quote shows that the focus just isn't there. It was clear as day that Zheng was the aggressor during the rallies and had Ana running around

bruce goose
Sep 26th, 2008, 10:37 PM
That quote shows that the focus just isn't there.Evidently,she's had her focus WELL outside of tennis based on recent news reports

jelenacg
Sep 26th, 2008, 10:38 PM
I was saying throughout whole match that she wasn`t aggressive enough-since i saw that you really don`t have to be an expert to see that
No way she didn`t realised that...

gaviotabr
Sep 27th, 2008, 02:15 AM
Someone posted this on her forum :
`She was really aggressive and she was dominating a lot. At the (time) I wasn't realising I was running a lot, but after the match when I talked to my coach, he was saying that, probably, I should have been more aggressive`

http://uk.reuters.com/article/tennisNews/idUKLQ62370620080926?rpc=401&&pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

Aiss.. She really didn't have her mind on the game then, cause it was as clear as water. I think I have a theory to why she is losing always the same way. After losing the first set, she makes an effort to concentrate in the second set, because she knows she has to win it to keep herself in the match. She proceeds to focus and take her opportunities, despite not being in her best form. After winning the second set, she relaxes a bit, and that is deadly, as she is usually broken early in the third. She gets a bit desperate and can't get back in to it, and loses.

I was saying throughout whole match that she wasn`t aggressive enough-since i saw that you really don`t have to be an expert to see that
No way she didn`t realised that...

Well.. she has no reason to lie, so I believe her. Unfortunately Ana is not being able to read the game from inside, and this is a big problem and also one of the reasons she is not developing her Plan B(go to the net) in crucial situations.

kim86
Sep 27th, 2008, 10:19 AM
and this is a big problem and also one of the reasons she is not developing her Plan B(go to the net) in crucial situations.

And it's a pity. She showed that she can play near the net.

Marilyn Monheaux
Sep 27th, 2008, 03:54 PM
^^ Yeah! More Anando pictures!:drool:

Now seriously, I think it's good for her to play there. She needs every match she can get under her belt!
Plus, I think ES is showing Kremlin Cup so I will finally get to see her play again (With Nando in her box:lol:)

SOA_MC
Sep 27th, 2008, 03:55 PM
No Bruce:(

gaviotabr
Sep 27th, 2008, 04:23 PM
I don't think Verdasco is in the entry list to Moscow anyway. They might have somthing going on, but I hardly think it's been on for a long time, and this slump started months ago. Maybe she even got inspired and played a bit better in China because she was happy.. who knows..

I don't really like Verdasco, because I see him as a party boy and latino lover. Which is not like Ana at all.. but if she likes him, it's her life.. and it feels so good to have someone, that she can't be prohibited to have a boyfriend just because she is a tennis player and needs to focus on improving her game. What is true though, is that she needs to know how to have fun in her life without letting it take her concentration away from her job. That's actually everyone needs to learn, not only sports people.

I hope that she can sort her focus problems though. I saw again the first set against Zheng.. and though she was being bossed around sometimes, she is so much better than Jie that she still could have won that set easily by just concentrating in the important moments. Unfortunately she had more than a few opportunities and lost focus everytime. Maybe got nervous.. maybe she just still doesn't believe she can actually win a tournament right now, which probably is the case, and what prevents her from winning thight matches at the moment.

jelenacg
Sep 27th, 2008, 04:29 PM
She is young and it was about time she found somebody:hearts::hearts:
She's not a nun, for God sake
I`m happy for her-if this is true:)

Marilyn Monheaux
Sep 27th, 2008, 04:34 PM
^^You're right. Nando is not playing... :sad:

Anyway, it's not that I would really believe those dating rumors either. It's just fun since her tennis didn't give me too much to smile about lately:tape: Plus, they looks just soo cute together:hearts::lol:
And also don't think having a boyfriend would affect her game this way. She simply lacks cofidence and matches right now and once she gets her focus and determination back I'm sure her game will step up again!
And maybe, just maybe, Nando can help her with that...

gaviotabr
Sep 27th, 2008, 04:58 PM
In my opinion the slumb started on the grass. I think she was on such a high of confidence after winning the French that having som much trouble closing out a match, like against Dechy, and then losing so easily, like against Zheng, really messed with her head. It's like going from heaven to hell, kind of a big shock, that's hard to swallow. And maybe if the platonic tryst affected her, having somthing not platonic might actually help.

The thumb injury.. It did affect her play in Montreal, the forehand was non existent. And in the Olympics she probably just had too much pain. But it certainly didn't affect Us Open, Tokyo and Beijing. The thing with the injury is that it came in a moment of uncertainty for her.. after a big win and a big loss.. in a moment she needed to be 100% to regain confidence. But what happened was that she played through it, and it only helped to mess with her head even more. She completely lost confidence in her forehand and serve, her 2 biggest weapons, and downhill from there. Now she can't even focus and read a match from the inside. She is going to have to do some serious work, and I hope her team finally sees it. The practice she needs to do in Europe, before indoor season, is as mental as on court. I think that she know she has a long way to go.. but that is good and bad at the same time. Reading her interviews I feel like she has lowered every expectation she has for herself, and that kills any self belief.. she doesn't believe she can win a tournament right now, and that is the first step for anyone who actually wants to win. It's very difficult to win, when you don't belive you can, almost imposible. But might be good, cause it will keep her mind ready to work hard and practice a lot, which she definitely needs.

We can't make assumptions of what is going to happen from now on, regarding Ana and her personal life, so comparing her to Capriati is not right...

bruce goose
Sep 27th, 2008, 05:50 PM
You have just written a lot of stupid and insulting things,i hope you realised that
You really crossed the line yesterday with China and today with this pointless post:help::help:I'm genuinely sorry that you feel that way,'Jelena'.I got angry about the China angle yesterday because I'm tired of the lies and propaganda that their leaders are so civilized when their people aren't even allowed to vote or practice their own religion...in fact,they are jailed or murdered for it.Even here in Mexico where I work,one of the Chinese workers wasn't even permitted to send an in-house e-mail without her boss's permission;you could see the fear in her eyes when the idea was first raised.I'm GLAD that Kuzy won today,and make no apologies for that.

As for the other part(Ana's personal,self-esteem problems),maybe you're right,Jelena:I was only sharing my opinion which seems QUITE logical based on recent events.However,if I'm making things miserable for you and others,then I should just delete that post right now and take a break from posting for awhile.As I said,I'm GENUINELY sorry to have bothered you to such an intense degree.:hatoff:

kim86
Sep 27th, 2008, 06:05 PM
She is young and it was about time she found somebody:hearts::hearts:
She's not a nun, for God sake
I`m happy for her-if this is true:)

I totally agree with you, they make such a beautiful couple togheter. I don't think this would be a distraction, maybe she can find some serenity with Fernando.

ps I like Verdasco a lot, his is really nice :hearts:

jelenacg
Sep 27th, 2008, 06:16 PM
I`m nobody to forbid you to post your opinion, just it`s seam to me a bit insulting(maybe bc i`m a girl)
I don`t have anything against you and i like that we disagree in some things bc we can discuss those things and sometimes is boring when everybody agrees
In my country we also had communism,but that`s politics and there is no need to talk about those things in Ana`s forum
I`m also deleting my message...
Peace

Nikkiri
Sep 27th, 2008, 10:53 PM
Oh jeez :tape:

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 27th, 2008, 11:11 PM
Damn, some people talking just too much.
This is a reason for that and then that happend cause of that which probably lead to that and while it wasn't over, that probably lead to that what was caused of this.

I rather see prediction for the future instead of the journalism what's based on actually nothing.

Not that I can tell people what to post, but GM is the place for nonsense.

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 27th, 2008, 11:55 PM
This is a reason for that and then that happend cause of that which probably lead to that and while it wasn't over, that probably lead to that what was caused of this.


:spit:And before that can happen, this happened between this and that, then that proceeds what, and who is that that started this:timebomb:

Nikkiri
Sep 29th, 2008, 09:26 AM
Bruce your sig is ridiculous I hope you're finally done posting in Ana's forum for good. Have fun making snide comments about her in other players forums. :rolleyes:

dybbuk
Sep 29th, 2008, 01:38 PM
He is on medication, Nicole! Do not make fun of him!

SOA_MC
Sep 29th, 2008, 01:50 PM
Shut up Alex you like being a prick to people who don't fit your mold don't you:rolleyes:

dybbuk
Sep 29th, 2008, 01:56 PM
Shut up Alex you like being a prick to people who don't fit your mold don't you:rolleyes:

You've found me out.

While I am a prick no doubt, check my posting history, I have never insulted Ana. I have critiqued her tennis like all her other fans, but I have never made derogatory comments towards her. Bruce cannot say the same thing. He's now done it multiple times.

SOA_MC
Sep 29th, 2008, 02:12 PM
You've found me out.

While I am a prick no doubt, check my posting history, I have never insulted Ana. I have critiqued her tennis like all her other fans, but I have never made derogatory comments towards her. Bruce cannot say the same thing. He's now done it multiple times.

Well you are one of the only two good Ana fans on the whole board I guess that's what sets you apart

*personal insults of other posters/fans aside ofcourse

Nikkiri
Sep 29th, 2008, 02:16 PM
:scratch:

azdaja
Sep 29th, 2008, 08:00 PM
weird stuff :unsure:

btw, nikki, cool choice for the flag. that country may be a mess, but it's still one of the coolest flags in the world :lol:

DownTheLine21
Sep 29th, 2008, 08:19 PM
What is going on here? Is everyone turning against one another?

dybbuk
Sep 29th, 2008, 09:44 PM
I'm not turning on anyone but Bruce. :lol: Then Who Made Who? just has a personal vendetta against me and wanted to get in on the action. I'm not going to keep ruining Ana's forum with fighting though, so I'm done anyways. :p

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 30th, 2008, 06:20 AM
Nothing wrong with fighting but at least post it in the right thread.
Dexter made one a long time ago. You still can use it.

SOA_MC
Sep 30th, 2008, 10:54 AM
I'm not turning on anyone but Bruce. :lol: Then Who Made Who? just has a personal vendetta against me and wanted to get in on the action. I'm not going to keep ruining Ana's forum with fighting though, so I'm done anyways. :p

:spit:

I do?:unsure: