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samsung101
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:25 PM
He died in the crash: Sanchez.
But, the text messages to 14 year old boys (trainspotters?)....
the suicide of his partner,
the suicide that took place on his route w/him at the helm
weeks before by some person on the tracks,
the split shift,
strange......

There is no evidence he put the brake on for the final few seconds,
as the other train engineer did for 4 seconds.

No evidence he made any effort to stop at the regular location,
to wait for the commercial train to pass. As riders said normally
happened.

Is it possible he did this on purpose?


I hope not.

As for the cries that new technology would have prevented this....hey, they've
known this for decades. L.A. has a history of crashes with the Metrolink - not
this serious though - going back a long, long time. In town, on the outskirts like
this one was, etc. Yes, they should update the system. They've talked about this
for decades for all the trains. Just like the levees. Yeah, we'll do this patch work
and that, and they all pass the buck.

Licensing the engineers would be nice. This was a contracted engineer. What would
prevent him from creating an accident one way or another, if that is what he was hell
bent on doing. Which sadly, it seems he may have been.

Richard_from_Cal
Sep 19th, 2008, 01:40 AM
He died in the crash: Sanchez.
But, the text messages to 14 year old boys (trainspotters?)....
the suicide of his partner,
the suicide that took place on his route w/him at the helm
weeks before by some person on the tracks,
the split shift,
strange......

There is no evidence he put the brake on for the final few seconds,
as the other train engineer did for 4 seconds.

No evidence he made any effort to stop at the regular location,
to wait for the commercial train to pass. As riders said normally
happened.

Is it possible he did this on purpose?


I hope not.

As for the cries that new technology would have prevented this....hey, they've
known this for decades. L.A. has a history of crashes with the Metrolink - not
this serious though - going back a long, long time. In town, on the outskirts like
this one was, etc. Yes, they should update the system. They've talked about this
for decades for all the trains. Just like the levees. Yeah, we'll do this patch work
and that, and they all pass the buck.

Licensing the engineers would be nice. This was a contracted engineer. What would
prevent him from creating an accident one way or another, if that is what he was hell
bent on doing. Which sadly, it seems he may have been.

For the benefit of those of us who haven't been sedulously following the story, can you elaborate? Suicide of his partner?---Other suicides??

I'm from Southern California, have ridden Metrolink...and saw the story in the paper. However, all the rest of that stuff goes over my head (as I would guess it does for a lot of the others here.) :)

Fill us in.

Vamos.
Sep 19th, 2008, 02:07 AM
Ye, the first part of your post is very intriguing but I makes absolutely no sense to somebody who hasn't already encountered this information, like me. So can you please elaborate or provide us with a link? :)

Anyway, I'm uber-intruiged now!!

Richard_from_Cal
Sep 19th, 2008, 07:21 AM
On Friday, Sept. 12, 2008...a Metrolink commuter train ran into a freight train (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g-xsvlkTx_cLm6dJHngndxwYFgNAD935HAA00)

http://ap.google.com/media/ALeqM5ieeQ6tBBFSTRmdh4LDPzrE7dGeEA?size=m
Train cars are seen overturned after an accident between a Union Pacific and Metrolink Amtrak train collision on Friday Sept. 12, 2008 in Chatsworth, Calif. A Metrolink commuter train believed to be carrying up to 350 people collided with a freight train Friday, killing two people and injuring an unknown number of others. (AP Photo/Mark Davis)
http://ap.google.com/media/ALeqM5iI_JXwBuFIrOr4kZR5LVnl8eFz7A?size=m


Casualties kept climbing; 10 dead by this posting. (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g-xsvlkTx_cLm6dJHngndxwYFgNAD935LMB80)

http://ap.google.com/media/ALeqM5gJNAP6pOd3_C2huNhcoTKtdhsuzA?size=m
Rescuers remove a victim with a gurney attached to an aerial ladder as others continue rescue efforts after a MetroLink commuter train collided with a freight train in the Chatsworth area of Los Angeles Friday, Sept. 12, 2008. (AP Photo/Reed Saxon)

http://ap.google.com/media/ALeqM5jvArp9_5P0GEA3Cb7KaIbzSYcuDA?size=s
The body of a passenger is pulled out from an overturned train car at the accident between a Union Pacific and Metrolink Amtrak train collision on Friday Sept. 12, 2008 in Chatsworth, Calif. (AP Photo/Mark Davis)

by the 14th/15th, the death toll had risen to 25 (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gjNBkDqHT-zGW3a3sRueuufn76UQD936RKLO0)

and on, and on...

Richard_from_Cal
Sep 21st, 2008, 04:37 AM
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080920/NEWS07/809200355/1009/NEWS07
^^--Another Southern California Mass transit accident--^^

Bus gets hit by subway (fixed rail--"Blue Rail" line.)
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-metro20-2008sep20,0,7583958.story
^^--THIS one, gives vv--this--vv photo.
{13 injuries, 0 deaths}
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-09/42452206.jpg

Richard_from_Cal
Oct 1st, 2008, 09:39 PM
Update, from NPR (National Public Radio--a liberal bias, taxpayer subsidized...oh, well--)

Engineer Sent Text 22 Seconds Before Deadly Crash

Federal investigators said Wednesday that the engineer of a California commuter train sent a text message 22 seconds before a crash that killed 25.

The cell phone records of Robert Sanchez show he received a text message 1 minute, 20 seconds before the crash, and he sent one about a minute later, the National Transportation Safety Board said.

The Metrolink commuter train collided with a freight train last month, killing 25 people.
vv--vv--vv--vv
http://www.npr.org/newsinbrief/index.html
.

Richard_from_Cal
Nov 21st, 2008, 03:00 AM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/in-the-sept-12.html

Metrolink, freight trains scrape each other in Rialto
12:33 PM, November 20, 2008
A Metrolink train and a freight train scraped each other around noon on Thursday in Rialto, but no serious injuries were immediately reported.
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The Metrolink train, number 306, was going east, leaving Union Station for San Bernardino. The Burlington Northern Santa Fe freight train was going west, crossing in the area of Lilac Avenue.
..more at..
..hyperlink above..
I've ridden on this very line, inbound at least. While it looks bad for the train/metrorail people, not a serious problem, it seems.