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Super_Marion
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:49 AM
Dump the Australian Open and upgrade the Japan Open to Grand Slam status?

Is it not about time that Asia and the far east had a slam?

China And India still have a lot to prove, but Japan is an excellent candidate in my opinion. It has the infrastructure in place. It’s a great country. They love their tennis.

The AO is getting as tired as the Eurovision song contest. Travelling to the end of the earth to play sport in an oven is not my idea of entertainment.

Maybe five slams in a year and a lot less tier I and II's.

Thanx4nothin
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:52 AM
No to everything you just said. 4 Slams and in the same places as they are now.

Fretchap
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:52 AM
The fact that slams are rare is what makes them so great, adding a fifth one would be a bad idea. Plus I prefer by far Australia than Japan, now that the Australian Open is taken seriously by all players let's not dumb it for a new one in Japan or anywhere else that would have to build all of its "reputation" once again and be considered as the least important slam.

Uranium
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:54 AM
No thanks:)

OZTENNIS
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:59 AM
LMAO Your ignorance of tennis history and administration is embarrassing.

1) The Australian Open is the biggest annual sporting event in Australia, and possibly the Southern Hemisphere. It regularly attracts more than 500 000 spectators (this year it broke the 600 000 mark for the first time). These crowds are far greater in size than both Roland Garros and Wimbledon.
2) The Australian Open has become a multibillion dollar event and brings hundreds of thousands of people into the city of Melbourne. It is as much of a Melbourne institution as the other Grand Slams are to New York, Paris and London
3) In comparison to wet and cold London and Paris, Melbourne (bar occassional heat episodes) has great sunny weather for the fans and players to enjoy.
4) The two roofed centre courts are the first of their kind in the world. They allow for play, rain or shine, heatwave or blizzard.
5) The Australian Open is an equal of the other Grand Slams and has over 100 years of history, drama and entertainment in Australia. To remove such a prestigous event from the calendar would be stupid.
6) Australia is clearly one of the most successful tennis playing nations in history and as a result, we are reaping the benefits.
7) Clearly your point of view is Eurocentric, because as players from Asia emerge, the far reaches of the world certainly will not be Australia. The Australian Open is the closest Grand Slam for the large majority of Asian players.
8) Australians have worked their arses off in the administration section of tennis.

WHAT HAVE JAPAN, INDIA AND CHINA DONE TO WARRANT A GRAND SLAM? Replacing any of the Grand Slams is a stupid idea, and adding a fifth is even worse.

Super_Marion
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:03 AM
I'm not fussed about three four or five slams.

OZTENNIS
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:07 AM
And BTW, why dump the AO, why not FO, USO or Wimb in your opinion?

Uranium
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:07 AM
LMAO Your ignorance of tennis history and administration is embarrassing.

1) The Australian Open is the biggest annual sporting event in Australia, and possibly the Southern Hemisphere. It regularly attracts more than 500 000 spectators (this year it broke the 600 000 mark for the first time). These crowds are far greater in size than both Roland Garros and Wimbledon.
2) The Australian Open has become a multibillion dollar event and brings hundreds of thousands of people into the city of Melbourne. It is as much of a Melbourne institution as the other Grand Slams are to New York, Paris and London
3) In comparison to wet and cold London and Paris, Melbourne (bar occassional heat episodes) has great sunny weather for the fans and players to enjoy.
4) The two roofed centre courts are the first of their kind in the world. They allow for play, rain or shine, heatwave or blizzard.
5) The Australian Open is an equal of the other Grand Slams and has over 100 years of history, drama and entertainment in Australia. To remove such a prestigous event from the calendar would be stupid.
6) Australia is clearly one of the most successful tennis playing nations in history and as a result, we are reaping the benefits.
7) Clearly your point of view is Eurocentric, because as players from Asia emerge, the far reaches of the world certainly will not be Australia. The Australian Open is the closest Grand Slam for the large majority of Asian players.
8) Australians have worked their arses off in the administration section of tennis.

WHAT HAVE JAPAN, INDIA AND CHINA DONE TO WARRANT A GRAND SLAM? Replacing any of the Grand Slams is a stupid idea, and adding a fifth is even worse.
I agree, this is like Russia to me, China and Japan having Tier Is, is good enough.
I feel that history shouldn't be changed, and Grand Slams should stay the same:)

Super_Marion
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:08 AM
LMAO Your ignorance of tennis history and administration is embarrassing.

1) The Australian Open is the biggest annual sporting event in Australia, and possibly the Southern Hemisphere. It regularly attracts more than 500 000 spectators (this year it broke the 600 000 mark for the first time). These crowds are far greater in size than both Roland Garros and Wimbledon.
2) The Australian Open has become a multibillion dollar event and brings hundreds of thousands of people into the city of Melbourne. It is as much of a Melbourne institution as the other Grand Slams are to New York, Paris and London
3) In comparison to wet and cold London and Paris, Melbourne (bar occassional heat episodes) has great sunny weather for the fans and players to enjoy.
4) The two roofed centre courts are the first of their kind in the world. They allow for play, rain or shine, heatwave or blizzard.
5) The Australian Open is an equal of the other Grand Slams and has over 100 years of history, drama and entertainment in Australia. To remove such a prestigous event from the calendar would be stupid.
6) Australia is clearly one of the most successful tennis playing nations in history and as a result, we are reaping the benefits.
7) Clearly your point of view is Eurocentric, because as players from Asia emerge, the far reaches of the world certainly will not be Australia. The Australian Open is the closest Grand Slam for the large majority of Asian players.
8) Australians have worked their arses off in the administration section of tennis.

WHAT HAVE JAPAN, INDIA AND CHINA DONE TO WARRANT A GRAND SLAM? Replacing any of the Grand Slams is a stupid idea, and adding a fifth is even worse.Tennis history isnt necessarily tennis future.

MarieC
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:09 AM
The slams are great the way they are now. No change is needed.

OZTENNIS
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:13 AM
Tennis history isnt necessarily tennis future.
:shrug:
What are you saying? Japan is going to become a leading tennis nation, win in excess of 25 Davis Cup titles, over 10 Fed Cup titles, have a host of top 10/20/50 players over a long period of time, have men and women high up in the administration of ITF/WTA/ATP, have crowds in excess of 500 000 people, attract millions (if not billions) of dollars of investments and sponsorship????

I could go on and on. To put it simply, your's is a stupid idea.
Leave the Slams the way they are, if they haven't changed in the last 100 years, why would they be changed now :weirdo:

Uranium
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:14 AM
And BTW, why dump the AO, why not FO, USO or Wimb in your opinion?

The other 3 are more successful in history IMO, and the AO was skipped by many players in its early stages and it is the youngest and IMO worst slam since it is too soon in the season:shrug:, but that's scheduling stupidity.

Malva
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:16 AM
Dump the Australian Open and upgrade the Japan Open to Grand Slam status?

Is it not about time that Asia and the far east had a slam?

China And India still have a lot to prove, but Japan is an excellent candidate in my opinion. It has the infrastructure in place. Itís a great country. They love their tennis.

The AO is getting as tired as the Eurovision song contest. Travelling to the end of the earth to play sport in an oven is not my idea of entertainment.

Maybe five slams in a year and a lot less tier I and II's.

Similar ideas were floated in the forum before and they were soundly refuted. Keep the number of slams and their location where they have been traditionally.

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:25 AM
As the old adage goes if it ain't broke don't fix it.

RFSTB
Sep 18th, 2008, 04:38 AM
Well, it is way the hell out of the way in a country with an almost insignificant population (19 million?). In the US, the Australian Open consistently draws the lowest ratings. Except for die-hard tennis fans which are ever dwindling in number these days, most casual fans don't even know there's a slam in Australia. But I voted "No" to getting rid of it because it's a fun tournament. Plus I love slams. The more the merrier.

Besides, the Australian Open is hardly alone in being ignored by Americans. The French Open also draws very little interest in the US. Most American players do poorly on clay, and most winners of the French never win on any other surface. I would say many Americans don't even know it exists.

From a business and exposure standpoint, it makes sense to turn the Beijing Open into a 5th Slam, and schedule it between the Australian and French since there's such a large calendar gap btwn those 2 slams. The Beijing Olympics drew record audiences worldwide, tennis should capitalize on that buzz, anything "Beijing" is going to draw attention from sports fans these days. The brand new facility built there is beautiful and good enough for a slam. Also China is a huge potential market for tennis equipment and represents big endorsement opportunities for tennis stars. Even if only 10% of their population becomes tennis fans, that's still 130 million people!!

Dani12
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:46 AM
No actually Australia has 21 million people, insignificant population? Thats just about as insulting you can get, so we don't matter or something? And might I add Australia is one of the fastest growing nations in the world. Peoples ignorance and and just flat out rudeness never ceases to amaze me.

Australia has one of the best facilities in the world, we've spent so much much on Melbourne Park and making sure that the tournament has become of an international standard, we've come a long way from 20 years ago to become on par as far as competitiveness and quality of the grand slams go, that is due to good management, keen tennis supporters and good ticket sales.

The Australian Open has developed a history and prestige that just wouldn't be at any other new grand slams. I don't get why you would dump a successful and well liked grand slam, that would just be insulting to all the hard work thats gone on over the years and to Australia.

If a 5th grand slam is added in the future I won't be complaining. But there is just no reason strong enough to dump the Australian open like it is a piece of rubbish when there has been so much work put into it over the history of the grand slam to get in on par with the others.

And casual fans know theres a grand slam tournament in Australia, I've talked to many and they know of the Australian open. :shrug:

Hayato
Sep 18th, 2008, 06:03 AM
Well, you can "dump" the Australian Open and I can guarantee many, many players will be utterly disgraced. You'd be surprised at how many of the Pro ATP and WTA players rate the Australian Open as their favourite grand slam, over the other 3.

Just so you know, the other 3 grand slams don't generate much interest in Australia, either. So it's not just Americans who "are not interested in the Australian Open", actually, not a single match of the French Open here is even televised on free to air TV. So let's not talk about other nations and their interests in Grand Slams on the other side of the world, which has a lot to do with it. The average Australian only knows about Wimbledon and the Australian Open as tennis tournaments.

You might like to take note that the 2008 Australian Open achieved the highest ever day/night attendance record for any Grand Slam tournament. Dumping it would not be the best move for tennis.

Oh and by the way, the Australian Open is credited as "The Grand Slam of Asia and the Pacific". Tennis Australia, at its current state, may be weaker than Tennis Japan and Tennis China or Tennis whatever, has achieved a monumental amount more than either of those countries, with all due respect.

China And India still have a lot to prove, but Japan is an excellent candidate in my opinion. It has the infrastructure in place. It’s a great country. They love their tennis.

There is nothing you mentioned there that Australia doesn't have already.

The AO is getting as tired as the Eurovision song contest. Travelling to the end of the earth to play sport in an oven is not my idea of entertainment.

Again, for you it might be "the end of the earth." For the billions of people that live on this side of the earth, it's not. So I have to say this is rather a silly idea, sorry. And for the record, I love the ESC!!

OZTENNIS
Sep 18th, 2008, 06:18 AM
Loving the poll result so far :)

colt13
Sep 18th, 2008, 06:29 AM
I dont want to see anything changed, and love the Austrailian Open. However, i do think down the road that their might be a "rolling slam". Golf may have a major, but play a different course from year to year and i think you may have one major rotate between 3 or 4 venues. Sounds crazy, but look at how many places the YEC has been the last 10 years.

^bibi^
Sep 18th, 2008, 07:09 AM
The prestige of Grand Slams is that they're old tournaments and have been like that like forever, even if there had been slight changes trhghout the years, but at least it's always been that four countries... It just has to stay like it is...

It's like playing in white at wimbledon, it's totally pointless, but it wouldn't be Wimbledon without it... A Grand slam somewhere else wouldn't be a real grand slam to me :shrug:

Plus it seems lots of players love Australia :-)

But it's true they should probably regroup the Asian/Australia season ( by moving, tokyo, beijing, seoul, guangzhou and so on) round the time the AO is played so that it's easier for players to have all the events in that part of the country in the same part of the year...

Lunaris
Sep 18th, 2008, 07:38 AM
Another poster displaying total ignorance when it comes to tennis history, basic principles of this sport and what the Slams are about. It's getting tedious. Tennisforum is getting tedious.

Davodus
Sep 18th, 2008, 07:40 AM
:fiery:

stupid

Renalicious
Sep 18th, 2008, 08:40 AM
Hell to the no.

Renalicious
Sep 18th, 2008, 08:41 AM
Hell to the no!

Dave.
Sep 18th, 2008, 09:44 AM
No, and this should never be a considered option. A slam isn't like a Tier I that can just be added/taken off the calendar. A slam IS the AO, FO, W or USO. That's it. You can have other big tournaments and offer as much money as you want, but there are only 4 grand slams, and for now they remain the most important tournaments in the year. "Scrapping" one of them would be destroying a piece of tennis history and the world of pro tennis, and so would adding one.

However, I agree that East Asia do need some big events considering the apparent growth of interest in that area (although the Olympics didn't support this :tape:). They seem to have been given some big tournaments on the 2009 calendar so that should be enough.

Lulu.
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:44 PM
NO to everything you said.

A'DAM
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:55 PM
I guess the poll says it all ;)

Freakan
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:59 PM
Yeah, they really deserve it, especially with all the great ATP players they have :tape:

RFSTB
Sep 18th, 2008, 08:06 PM
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The trouble is, it is on the verge of breaking. Ratings are so low for the AO and FO that ESPN is considering dumping them. Miami and Indian Wells had trouble even finding a TV network to air them until Fox Sports Net came along, and they only signed on for 1 or 2 years. The YEC and Davis Cup are on Versus, not sure how long that will last, or that channel will last. Tennis Channel still has very low household penetration in the US. I don't even know if they'll survive. The rest of the tournaments in the US draw low attendance and even lower ratings, while most of the ones held outside the US aren't even shown. Clearly tennis needs something big to shake things up. A 5th slam could do just that.

I like the idea of a rotating slam. It could be alternated btwn 4 countries, so each country hosts it once every 4 years, like the Olympics. It could be in March, alternating btwn Beijing, Madrid, Moscow and for now, Japan. Later on that could be a South American or African country. When not hosting a slam that event could just be a Tier I for that year.

Miami should be moved to August as a tune-up for the US Open. The 1-2 punch of 2 big tournaments back to back will get a lot more attention than holding them 6 months apart.

Jose.
Sep 18th, 2008, 08:14 PM
Everyone loves Australian Open and i like Japan. But it is good the way it is. Love Australia.