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Aaron.
Sep 17th, 2008, 08:58 PM
can anyone tell me what happened I honestly dont know Im a newbie to womens tennis

was the stabbing really bad and how did it happen etc etc details please

AcesHigh
Sep 17th, 2008, 08:59 PM
You've been on this forum for over 2 years and you haven't heard/found out by now? :confused:

Aaron.
Sep 17th, 2008, 08:59 PM
Nope.

AcesHigh
Sep 17th, 2008, 09:02 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnter_Parche

hingis-seles
Sep 17th, 2008, 09:04 PM
From a results perspective:

1990 (Seles age = 16)

AO - Graf
RG - Seles
W - Navratilova
US - Sabatini

YEC - Seles

1991 (Seles age = 17)

AO - Seles
RG - Seles
W - Graf (Seles did not play)
US - Seles

YEC - Seles

1992 (Seles age = 18)

AO - Seles
RG - Seles
W - Graf (def Seles in final)
US - Seles

YEC - Seles
Olympics - Capriati (Seles did not play)

1993 (Seles age = 19)

AO - Seles
*stabbing*
RG - Graf
W - Graf
US - Graf

YEC - Graf

And the rest, as they say, is history.

ivanban
Sep 17th, 2008, 09:08 PM
:bigcry:

Kworb
Sep 17th, 2008, 09:11 PM
:bigcry:

The worst day of my life

ViennaCalling
Sep 17th, 2008, 09:14 PM
:sad:

Dave.
Sep 17th, 2008, 09:16 PM
Here is an interview of Monica about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgZhUjASt-I

One of the worst moments ever in professional sport.

Serenita
Sep 17th, 2008, 09:31 PM
Horrible horrible.......
but She's a really strong woman!

Marionated
Sep 17th, 2008, 09:36 PM
I can't believe people are taking this thread seriously.

Aaron.
Sep 17th, 2008, 09:46 PM
omg what a freak :spit:

who would stab a player? but the way some of you insult people I wouldnt be suprised

ivanban
Sep 17th, 2008, 10:17 PM
Aaron, r u still in TWAT contention? :confused: :D

Malva
Sep 17th, 2008, 10:19 PM
From a results perspective:

1990 (Seles age = 16)

AO - Graf
RG - Seles
W - Navratilova
US - Sabatini

YEC - Seles

1991 (Seles age = 17)

AO - Seles
RG - Seles
W - Graf (Seles did not play)
US - Seles

YEC - Seles

1992 (Seles age = 18)

AO - Seles
RG - Seles
W - Graf (def Seles in final)
US - Seles

YEC - Seles
Olympics - Capriati (Seles did not play)

1993 (Seles age = 19)

AO - Seles
*stabbing*
RG - Graf
W - Graf
US - Graf

YEC - Graf

And the rest, as they say, is history.

Kudos to hingis-seles for this post.

It summarizes this sad story better than anything else possibly could. If I were Graf I would just refuse to play in grand slams in solidarity with her stabbed opponent until she was fully recovered, and instead I would be sitting day and night at Seles' hospital bed. If I were Graf I would pay the best doctors in the world to bring Monika back to health. If I were Graf...

Graf did nothing of the sort. Just disassociated herself from the stabbing, of course, which cost her nothing, and then reaped enormous benefits from it. Monika never fully recovered from the stabbing. Even though Seles' style of game didn't appeal to me before (she was perhaps the first hard hitter and a grunter as well), I was always rooting for her when she returned on courts.

On the other hand, Graf was finished for me after the stabbing, both as a tennis player and as human being.

ivanban
Sep 17th, 2008, 10:26 PM
Kudos to hingis-seles for this post.

It summarizes this sad story better than anything else possibly could. If I were Graf I would just refuse to play in grand slams in solidarity with her stabbed opponent until she was fully recovered, and instead I would be sitting day and night at Seles' hospital bed. If I were Graf I would pay the best doctors in the world to bring Monika back to health. If I were Graf...

Graf did nothing of the sort. Just disassociated herself from the stabbing, of course, which cost her nothing, and then reaped enormous benefits from it. Monika never fully recovered from the stabbing. Even though Seles' style of game didn't appeal to me before (she was perhaps the first hard hitter and a grunter as well), I was always rooting for her when she returned on courts.

On the other hand, Graf was finished for me after the stabbing, both as a tennis player and as human being.

True. Though, I don't agree with not playing Slams part, but Graf should've been more supportive for Monica :sad:

Dominic
Sep 17th, 2008, 10:42 PM
:yawn: I'm not looking for attention at all. I was just merley pointing out I find it sad you have to create such threads to get attention. I suppose tommorrow you'll create a thread entitled "Where is Henin, how come she isn't playing?" :tape:

Seriously he was just asking about it, there is nothing wrong about that. You're the one who's looking to create trouble.

tonybotz
Sep 18th, 2008, 12:05 AM
i think the response of the WTA players was deplorable. no one would stand up and support monica, they voted against protecting her #1 ranking. the only player to step up was Sabatini, whom Seles still considers a good friend and has said she appreciated Gabby because of her good will.

IanRadi
Sep 18th, 2008, 12:10 AM
I saw a video in youtube like 8 months ago when Monica was stabbed and when she touches her back and watches the umpire but it was removed some time ago.

If I got it right, that man was a huge fan of Graf and wanted to stop that great moment Monica was having so that Steffi could be the no. 1 again :shrug:

tonybotz
Sep 18th, 2008, 12:16 AM
yes, Gunther Parche was an obsessed Steffi Graf fan and did not spend a day in jail for his crime. There was speculation for a while about Peter Graf's involvement, as he was a direct beneficiary of the stabbing, and was a known criminal.

Malva
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:36 AM
yes, Gunther Parche was an obsessed Steffi Graf fan and did not spend a day in jail for his crime. There was speculation for a while about Peter Graf's involvement, as he was a direct beneficiary of the stabbing, and was a known criminal.

Exactly as you write. Honestly, this was also my own first thought -- that there was some involvement. I never got rid of that feeling. And I am repeating: when the stabbing occurred I wasn't a Seleš' fan, I actually didn't even like her style of tennis.

Volcana
Sep 18th, 2008, 04:47 AM
can anyone tell me what happened I honestly dont know Im a newbie to womens tennis

was the stabbing really bad and how did it happen etc etc details pleaseA fan walked out of the stands and stabbed Seles in the back with a knife in the middle of a match. Physically, the injury wasn't that serious. i.e., it wasn;t life-threatening, and she could have played again in two or three months. Emtionally/mentally, you could argue she never recovered from it, given she was quite slender, when she got stabbed, and was quite fat on her return, and never lost the weight again.

Seles was on a path that projected to her being the greatest singles player ever. Being stabbed left her with a career that was, ultimately, a all-time top ten singles player, but not top five. To add insult to injury, the man who stabbed her claimed he did it because he didn't want her to surpass Steffi Graf. And she didn't, so he got what he wanted.

It certainly wasn't the only time a fan or fans ever attacked an athlete. Eddy Mercx, for example, was leading the Tour de France, on his way to winning a sixth (Or seventh) time in a row when a fan attacked him, ostensibly because the fan didn't want to see a Belgian win the tour again. (He'd won it five times already.) And the way white American fans treated the first Black baseball players in the National and American leagues literally has volumes written on it.

And let's not even get into soccer (football).

But those are all sports for, pardonthe terminology, 'commoners'. Tennis was/is a sport of the gentility. To have someone come out of the stands and plunge a knife into a players back, even if she wasn't mortally injured, was shocking in a way that's probably only exceeded, in recent times, by the killings at the Munich Olympics.

Was it an unparalleled tragedy in the history of tennis? No. In fact, the parallels to Maureen Connolly's career are eerie. And certainly what Althea Gibson suffered with, while less dramatic, had no less negative impact on her career. But in 1992, we thought we were past the worst of the excesses of our forebearers. Turns out we weren't.

Optima
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:40 AM
On the other hand, Graf was finished for me after the stabbing, both as a tennis player and as human being.

You have got to be kidding me. That is just absolute bullshit. I'm sure it was quite disturbing for Steffi also, but people just have their ways for dealing with stuff. Maybe she didn't respond in the exactly right way, but people make mistakes that we all later regret. It's not her fault Seles didn't come back sooner; If I was her, I would have been furious and even hungrier - but she wasn't like that. I'm not trying to downplay the horrible fact that some insane fan stabbed her, but I've heard that it wasn't even that severe. Maybe I'd react differently if I had been actually stabbed, but that's just the way I see it.

tonybotz
Sep 18th, 2008, 09:01 PM
steffi even voted against protecting monica's ranking. 'the knife number one' indeed.

Volcana
Sep 19th, 2008, 02:16 PM
i think the response of the WTA players was deplorable. no one would stand up and support monica, they voted against protecting her #1 ranking. the only player to step up was Sabatini, whom Seles still considers a good friend and has said she appreciated Gabby because of her good will.I think the vote against protecting Seles' ranking has long been over-dramatized. First of all, it wouldn't have affected Seles in any way, athletically. We've seen both Venus and Serena win slams with absurdly low rankings the last couple years, and Seles was WAY more dominant in the early 90's than Venus or Serena the last couple years.

Secondly, while that ranking spot wasn't really going to affect Seles, it actually affected the livelihood of some of the lesser players. For some, it might be the difference between being in the main draw a couple times (before Seles raced past them up the rankings) and not. It might be the difference between being seeded in a slam, and not. Remember, there was a lot less money in the game in the middle nineties than there is now.

Yes, I think the top players should have voted to protect her ranking. They lost nothing by it. But for a player ranked #20 in the mid-nineties, that vote might mean losing a $50,000 endorsement conditional on them being a top 20 player. And that $50,000 might be the difference between them having a coach and not.

I can't condemn the players for that vote. It was, in effect, asking them to take money out of their own pocket for something they had nothing to do with. And of course, no one was suggesting that their rankings be protected when they got injured. Even in situations where players physical injuries were much more serious.

hingis-seles
Sep 19th, 2008, 02:28 PM
I think the vote against protecting Seles' ranking has long been over-dramatized. First of all, it wouldn't have affected Seles in any way, athletically. We've seen both Venus and Serena win slams with absurdly low rankings the last couple years, and Seles was WAY more dominant in the early 90's than Venus or Serena the last couple years.

Secondly, while that ranking spot wasn't really going to affect Seles, it actually affected the livelihood of some of the lesser players. For some, it might be the difference between being in the main draw a couple times (before Seles raced past them up the rankings) and not. It might be the difference between being seeded in a slam, and not. Remember, there was a lot less money in the game in the middle nineties than there is now.

Yes, I think the top players should have voted to protect her ranking. They lost nothing by it. But for a player ranked #20 in the mid-nineties, that vote might mean losing a $50,000 endorsement conditional on them being a top 20 player. And that $50,000 might be the difference between them having a coach and not.

I can't condemn the players for that vote. It was, in effect, asking them to take money out of their own pocket for something they had nothing to do with. And of course, no one was suggesting that their rankings be protected when they got injured. Even in situations where players physical injuries were much more serious.

An interesting perspective, that I have not come across before or even considered myself. I have to agree on this. Moreover, regarding Steffi voting against Monica's ranking, I discovered much after I knew about the stabbing that infact Steffi did not vote at all as the voting took place in Rome, the week after Hamburg, and Steffi was not present as she was not playing Rome.

SV_Fan
Sep 19th, 2008, 09:57 PM
Not to be cruel but dont you think it made graf sort of "happy"? I mean ever since she womped by monica in the FO final in 1990, the 2 had sort of an icy relationship.

But honestly I wonder wy they didnt voe to preserve her ranking? If anything I would have though that ASV would had voted to save her ranking. I thought she was so nice. But it turns out majority of the tour are b*tches.

VRee_Willario
Sep 19th, 2008, 10:16 PM
I'm sure it didn't make Graf happy. It was hard on her too as she was known as Monica's rival and then she got stabbed by her fan. I think it was tough for her to go on playing because the absence of Monica was so clear in every slam and then she had like no competition and many people thought that Graf is secretly happy about it, as if it went just like planned when the competition was removed and then her succes was only attributed to that. Monica's main rival still there healthy and playing and winning all the slams, many though she's like a villain. I think she would have prefered to keep playing against Monica and get her slam victories by beating the toughest opponent there was so that her later slam victories would have been more appreciated.

Ciarán
Sep 19th, 2008, 10:21 PM
True. Though, I don't agree with not playing Slams part, but Graf should've been more supportive for Monica :sad:

Graf is too selfish.

Dodoboy.
Sep 19th, 2008, 10:28 PM
Graf IS too selfish :lol:

This is a fascinating story, quite interesting to see such differing opinions on an incident like this!

Whitehead's Boy
Sep 19th, 2008, 10:37 PM
I'm surprised there is very little interest to fill the details of this story. Not a long time ago, this thread would have generated dozens of pages. I guess the interest of the Seles-Graf debate took a plunge when both players retired.

I remember someone mentionned having the interest to write a book about Seles vs Graf, what happened with that project?

Parche was a solitary man who was in deeply in love with Steffi Graf (creepy letters by Parche are transcribed in Seles autobiography 'From Fear to Victory'), sending her flowers and stuff in many occasions over the years. When Seles started dominating Graf, Parche became depressed and planned to attack Seles so she would be out of the game.

He went to Hamburg (and was willing to go to Rome or Paris in case it didn't work in Hamburg) to attack Seles. Seles noticed Parche the day prior to the attack because he was wearing a Arthur Ashe cap. Parche original plan was to cut Monica's fingers while giving her flowers, or something. The day of the quarter final against Maggie Maleeva, he brought a knife. He waited and waited and at the (possibly) last break, he knew he had to do something. He stabbed her in the back, the wound was superficial because Seles was moving forward when he stabbed her.

Then the panick. Seles was confused and Maggie didn't know how to react. Some people were able to neutralize Parche until the police arrived. Seles left the court crying and confused. The attack was filmed, but the camera wasn't showing Seles so we only hear her scream. To my knowledge, it does not circulate on the web but I do have it taped when they showed it on the news.

The tournament director decided the tournament would go on, despite protest from some people. Graf shortly visited Seles the day after at the hospital, they didn't talk much but cried. Graf then told her she had to go to play her match; Seles was shocked to hear the tournament wasn't cancelled.

The general reaction from other players was apathy. They did not choose to protect her ranking, except Sabatini. Graf beat Mary Joe Fernandez at the French Open, and both players did not mention Monica during the trophee presentation.

At this point until her come back in 95, we are in the dark. There were rumors she would come back in 94, it never happened. At one point, some people thought she would never come back and move on with her life. It's unclear what Graf did or didn't do. Some people claim Graf tried to contact Seles but Seles never answered. Some people claim Graf never tried to contact Seles.

In 95, it is alleged Seles' father Karoji called Graf "the second knife". The relation between Graf and Seles seemed cold and distant since Seles comeback. Seles managed to win one more Slam, but the rest of her career is a failure, due to injuries and her lack of fitness.

That Seles was on her way to become the greatest of all time is of course mere speculation. Many players have dominated the sport for a while and it abruptly stopped. But it is the most tragic moment in tennis, that's for sure.

Whitehead's Boy
Sep 19th, 2008, 10:52 PM
More:

Seles didn't show up for the trial and Parche ended up doing no jail. Navratilova said there is something seriously wrong with German courts. Seles suffered from post-stress depression and was having recurrent nightmares. She had food problems to deal with her emotional pain.

Since then, Seles refused to play in Germany. The WTA had a special rule for her so she would not be forced to play a tournament in Germany.

There is so much more to say, it would deserve a book. It appears Seles autobiography is biased, so we have only one side of the story. Like I said, the story certainly deserves a book but I guess it's too late now. Very few people would buy it, and I assume at this point both Seles and Graf would refuse to cooperate.

youizahoe
Sep 19th, 2008, 11:05 PM
That's why I dislike Germans in general, and especially Graff, she only protected her own selfish self. Anyway she had a good game, but like mentioned, Seles was better before that stabbing.

Karolina_Sprem
Sep 19th, 2008, 11:11 PM
That's why I dislike Germans in general, and especially Graff, she only protected her own selfish self. Anyway she had a good game, but like mentioned, Seles was better before that stabbing.

Oh, get a life...
Should I hate all Americans now because of George Bush and his stupid foreign politics where thx to him thousands of innocent people have been killed...??

Whitehead's Boy
Sep 19th, 2008, 11:29 PM
Anyway she had a good game, but like mentioned, Seles was better before that stabbing.

She wasn't significantly better before the stabbing. Actually, in her first tournament in 95 against Coetzer, it was probably the best tennis Seles ever played in her life.

The game was still there; fitness and injuries played a big role in her lack of success.

irma
Sep 20th, 2008, 06:16 AM
I see Steffi haters still have their wet dream.
They want Steffi to be involved so badly so they can forget about her wins (now they can only bash it), and now only her name was involved.
same thing happened with Jodie Foster.


In the end of the day Steffi didn't have more responsibilities then the player who wouldn't have been in the semis the next day if the match had ended (I think that's pretty selfish) , or the player who claimed that she was on her way to be number one (not much tact) two days later, or the player who won her first tier 1 a week later (Monica totally owned that player) etc.

So why did Steffi became evil but the rest of the tour stayed ok?

Renalicious
Sep 20th, 2008, 07:36 AM
From a results perspective:

1990 (Seles age = 16)

AO - Graf
RG - Seles
W - Navratilova
US - Sabatini

YEC - Seles

1991 (Seles age = 17)

AO - Seles
RG - Seles
W - Graf (Seles did not play)
US - Seles

YEC - Seles

1992 (Seles age = 18)

AO - Seles
RG - Seles
W - Graf (def Seles in final)
US - Seles

YEC - Seles
Olympics - Capriati (Seles did not play)

1993 (Seles age = 19)

AO - Seles
*stabbing*
RG - Graf
W - Graf
US - Graf

YEC - Graf

And the rest, as they say, is history.

Wow...Steffi :( GO RETURN YOUR SLAMS.

serenus_2k8
Sep 20th, 2008, 07:49 AM
That's why I dislike Germans in general, and especially Graff, she only protected her own selfish self. Anyway she had a good game, but like mentioned, Seles was better before that stabbing.

Uhm...:unsure: I would remove that.

youizahoe
Sep 20th, 2008, 09:50 AM
Oh, get a life...
Should I hate all Americans now because of George Bush and his stupid foreign politics where thx to him thousands of innocent people have been killed...??

Uhm...:unsure: I would remove that.

I don't mean Germans as a person, but I meant their closed personalities, they are so withdrawn from the world.

It's changing though, but they are very self-focused in a way. It's not negative, but it makes it impossible for them, to react well to certain situations.

I have many friends from Germany, they even say the same about it, the youth is very open, but the classes above that are so mysterious.

---

As for Bush, half of the USA voted for him so, they knew after 4 years what a disaster it would become, but no, they went along and added 4 more years. And they'll probably do it again by letting McCain become the next president :o

Dodoboy.
Sep 20th, 2008, 10:02 AM
I have a German coming to live with me for a week and his second name is Parsche! :speakles::unsure:

Kart
Sep 20th, 2008, 10:05 AM
So why did Steffi became evil but the rest of the tour stayed ok?
Steffi had been evil since US open final 1988 !

:p

youizahoe
Sep 20th, 2008, 10:05 AM
I have a German coming to live with me for a week and his second name is Parsche! :speakles::unsure:

They're good people, just a bith uhm, secretive :D

Matt01
Sep 20th, 2008, 10:47 AM
That's why I dislike Germans in general, and especially Graff, she only protected her own selfish self.


:tape: :rolleyes:

:weirdo: :weirdo: :weirdo:

Dave.
Sep 20th, 2008, 11:11 AM
You have got to be kidding me. That is just absolute bullshit. I'm sure it was quite disturbing for Steffi also, but people just have their ways for dealing with stuff. Maybe she didn't respond in the exactly right way, but people make mistakes that we all later regret. It's not her fault Seles didn't come back sooner; If I was her, I would have been furious and even hungrier - but she wasn't like that. I'm not trying to downplay the horrible fact that some insane fan stabbed her, but I've heard that it wasn't even that severe. Maybe I'd react differently if I had been actually stabbed, but that's just the way I see it.

It was much more mental than physical for her. Seles did the practicing, tried to keep fit, stayed on the tour for a long time, of course she was hungry. But her ability to only concentrate on tennis while on the court was taken away from her for life. Seles was alot more uptight/nervous on court than she ever was before the stabbing. Before, she was able to walk on the court care-free and just play tennis. The stabbing took one of her biggest weapons (deadly concentration) away from her.



In 95, it is alleged Seles' father Karoji called Graf "the second knife". The relation between Graf and Seles seemed cold and distant since Seles comeback. Seles managed to win one more Slam, but the rest of her career is a failure, due to injuries and her lack of fitness.


Did you write this or is it from a book/article? Anyway, it's an interesting read, I have never known all these details. But I strongly disagree that the rest of her career was a failure. She did exceptionally well considering what happened, and had results that anyone in the game would be proud of.

More:


There is so much more to say, it would deserve a book. It appears Seles autobiography is biased, so we have only one side of the story. Like I said, the story certainly deserves a book but I guess it's too late now. Very few people would buy it, and I assume at this point both Seles and Graf would refuse to cooperate.

Biased? For this type of event I cannot possibly see how there can be another side to the story. There is nothing to justify the attack, nothing to justify Parche not going to jail.



And as for those who imply Graf won all those slams by default, I disagree. She still faced tough opposition to win those slams. Some of the matches were insanely close (especially with ASV). Perhaps there was nobody mentally capable of finishing her off like Seles did, but there's no doubt she had to work incredibly hard to win, harder than she ever did before/during Seles' reign.