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Volcana
Sep 16th, 2008, 04:51 AM
As in, Venus is my favorite player, and defending two-teim defending Wimbledon champ, but I'm not so stupid/blind/deluded as to claim that tennis fans, when you include casual fans, think she's #1.

Is this partially a popularity contest? Sure. That's what you get when you consider the opinion of casual fans. Agnieszka Radwanska is, objectively, one of the best players in the world. Elite? no. Right on the cusp? yes. Casual fans have no idea who she is. You have to factor that in to answer the question intelligently.

Rank the top two, top five, top eight, whatever. Take your pick.

NOTE: This includes hard-core fans like us. But there are way more casual fans. The kind who only tune in during the slams, and maybe Miami, and the YEC. Name recognition counts. Bear in mind that a lot of people wathced Dementieva win the Olympics. That said, have a party. In other words, discuss.

-VSR-
Sep 16th, 2008, 05:06 AM
1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Sharapova

Cakeisgood
Sep 16th, 2008, 05:27 AM
1. Sharapova
2. Serena
3. Venus
4. Ivanovic

homogenius
Sep 16th, 2008, 08:12 AM
Richard
Oracene
Isha

Christinawww
Sep 16th, 2008, 08:49 AM
this is hard. I can only do it for my own country, and I am basing it on what was shown at Wimbledon. The only time Danish TV shows women tennis (when ES shows, which matches are to be shown is decided elsewhere)

Serena
Venus
Sharapova
Wozniacki (but only because she is Danish)
Jankovic (mainly because she has beaten the Danish girl)
Ivanovic (also, sadly, mainly because hse has beaten the Danish girl)

Vlover
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:01 PM
There is no doubt that to the casual fans Serena followed by Venus are the two best women's tennis players in the world. This is also supported by actual polling data as they usually top most polls. I also know this by the people I associate with as they haven't the slightest clue about tennis but will tune in at a slam final if one of the Sisters are playing. Much to my surprise a friend of mine from overseas called me several times during the USO final to talk about the match.:eek:

MarieC
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:12 PM
Maria, Serena, and Venus have the highest profiles and are known by most casual fans. Then I would say Ana leads the group behind them but her profile has increased a lot over the last year

Ballbasher
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:15 PM
Maria Sharapova is VERY known, too more than Venus me thinks, while the rest is almost unknown to the not tennis fan ;)

Dave.
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:23 PM
Over here in London/England I'd say the best known players to the casual fans are still the Williams sisters and Sharapova (most casual fans only watch Wimbledon). I think Mauresmo is still pretty well known. I don't think too many people knew that Davenport is still playing, she was popular a few years ago, but not necessarily famous. I think she was one of those names that are assiociated with tennis (along with Capriati/Seles/Graf etc.)

I think if Ivanovic and Jankovic were to win Wimbledon they would be HUGE over here, they have the looks and personality. It's just both have had most of their success abroad, and they both are fairly new to the top.

Marshmallow
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:42 PM
At the top of the list you have the William sisters. That name is like a global brand. Anyone who has the most limited knowledge of tennis has probably heard of them, and that they're good/dominant players. So they are 1 and 2.

Hova is probably the next most well known. How can she not be, having been paraded all over the place as the Jesus of Tennis and the IT girl. Plus beating a WS in a slam final to win her first slam... plus loosing fitting the media image of cuteness (even though when you look closer that illusion falls apart).

Just below her, I'd place the two serbs. The serbians have been the main story in tennis for a couple of years now I think. I think the BBC and some American channels have done the whole, sob story montage... "the were on the front line of the second world war and have now become tennis champions...", as well as their success of course.

The rest of the list depends of where you are in the world and how much tennis contact you have.

So:

1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Hova
4. Ivanovic
5. Jankovic

I made that list from a casual fans view, and I think hardcore fans would make a similar list... based on achievements anyway.

Vamos.
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:48 PM
Maria Sharapova is VERY known, too more than Venus me thinks, while the rest is almost unknown to the not tennis fan ;)

And Serena is almost unknown too? And it wasn't the "not tennis fan" it was the casual tennis fan.

Anyhoo, I think probably:

1.) Sharapova/Serena
2.) Sharapova/Serena
3.) Venus

I think that is literally it.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:48 PM
serena ,sharapova, venus ,ivanovic [for her swimming pool story..casual fans actually think it was a small swimming pool instead of a indoor tennis court in a huge swimming pool which is quite sophisticated which is the true case]

doni1212
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:07 PM
1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Ivanovic/Sharapova

Tamus
Sep 16th, 2008, 04:13 PM
Well, I would think that if a person is tuning in to watch the YEC and especially Miami, they would have a pretty good understanding of who the top players are. As for just a casual sports fan in general, but not one who really watches tennis, this is the impression I get from people that I know:

1.) Serena: The absolute GOAT and is pretty much unbeatable when she tries
2.) Maria: That hot white chick who is also actually good at tennis (unlike Kournikova)
3.) Venus: The "other" Williams sister who is also really good (they might get the two confused)
**They might have heard of Henin, but probably don't know much about her, or even that she's retired**

As for a more knowledgable fan who tunes in to watch the slams:

1.) Serena
2.) Venus
3.) Maria
They probably know these three pretty well and understand their accomplishments/abilities. Also:
4.) Mauresmo: That good French chick that looks like a man. Might think that her game is more power than finesse and might not be aware of her current slump/decline
5.) Kuznetsova: The fit one with the huge legs and who likes to slide alot
6.) Ivanovic: The "other" hot girl who is giving Sharapova competition
7.) Davenport: The old lady who was good in the past and has now come back after having a baby
8.) Jankovic: The one who is always hurt and plays long matches

And I'll add these recently retired:
Henin: The really good one who could beat the Williamses but retired early
Hingis: The one who got busted using coke. Also, the one who would get bitchy with the Williams sisters.

shaktincredible
Sep 16th, 2008, 04:18 PM
Sharapova ,Williams sister, Ivanovic. easy one.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Sep 16th, 2008, 04:27 PM
In Latin America the hot girls are the more well known ( Pova , Ivanovic , Dementieva , Hantuchova ) and then the champions

gaviotabr
Sep 16th, 2008, 04:38 PM
I can talk about what I think happens in my country. Here the Williams sisters are by far the better known to regular people. Sharapova is also well known, but not as much. Ana is beginning to get some exposure. Henin was also well known, she had her own particular news section in the most important prime time news show when she announced her retirement.

Ballbasher
Sep 16th, 2008, 04:57 PM
And Serena is almost unknown too? And it wasn't the "not tennis fan" it was the casual tennis fan.

Anyhoo, I think probably:

1.) Sharapova/Serena
2.) Sharapova/Serena
3.) Venus

I think that is literally it.
No.Serena is the definite #1 ;)

1.Serena
2.Masha
3.Venus

Dodoboy.
Sep 16th, 2008, 05:05 PM
Serena
Venus

wild.river
Sep 16th, 2008, 05:13 PM
1/2) williams sisters (my friends cant tell them apart..)
3) maria sharapova (the deoderant and camera commercials)
4) henin (henin-hardenne to my uncle even during US '08, plus really casual fans dont know she retired)
5) ivanovic (the new pretty girl)

Destiny
Sep 16th, 2008, 05:20 PM
Williams sister
then Maria Pova

Slutati
Sep 16th, 2008, 05:24 PM
WS, Sharapova, Ivanovic, Jankovic, Srebotnik...I guess :shrug:

Serenita
Sep 16th, 2008, 05:32 PM
Serena/Venus/POVA

MrSerenaWilliams
Sep 16th, 2008, 05:37 PM
Serena
Pova
Vee

However, a month ago, it was:

Vee
Ree
Pova

and in February it was:

Pova
Ree
Vee

so it fluxuates :shrug:

ususally the 3 of them get HEAPS of media coverage when they win something big, so :shrug:

Slutiana
Sep 16th, 2008, 05:58 PM
WS, Sharapova, Ivanovic, Jankovic, Srebotnik...I guess :shrug:Srebotnik? :spit:

Oh no... I forgot you're from slovenia. :rolls:

Same for me, just Vaidisova would be up there and maybe Tati as well.

AndreConrad
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:02 PM
I would see it like this as I listen to people

In the US for casual fans:

1. Serena Williams
2. Maria Sharapova
3. Venus Williams

Outside of the US for casual fan:

1. Maria Sharapova
2. Local tennis star(s)
3. Serena Williams
4. Venus Williams

kinseh
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:03 PM
Well, here in Danmark, people obviously know Venus & Serena (often they can't tell them apart, though), Maria (the sexy girl who won Wimbledon as a 17 year old), Ivanovic (the new pretty girl), and some know Jankovic (because she has beaten Caro a couple of times :lol:). They also think that Caroline belongs to the very elite, and they think that everyone who beats Caro is the best player of the world. Pretty biased way of thinking, yeah. :p

Slutati
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:06 PM
Srebotnik? :spit:

Oh no... I forgot you're from slovenia. :rolls:

Same for me, just Vaidisova would be up there and maybe Tati as well.
Yeah :ras:

And congrats, you're officially the most deluded Golowhore fan :worship::hearts::worship::hearts:

Dodoboy.
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:14 PM
Well, here in Danmark, people obviously know Venus & Serena (often they can't tell them apart, though), Maria (the sexy girl who won Wimbledon as a 17 year old), Ivanovic (the new pretty girl), and some know Jankovic (because she has beaten Caro a couple of times :lol:). They also think that Caroline belongs to the very elite, and they think that everyone who beats Caro is the best player of the world. Pretty biased way of thinking, yeah. :p

In their defense Caro has been only losing to some pretty high caliber players (outside of clay) this year.

Slutiana
Sep 16th, 2008, 07:57 PM
Yeah :ras:

And congrats, you're officially the most deluded Golowhore fan :worship::hearts::worship::hearts:
Well Tati is going out with one of the best players, in one of the 3 best teams in the country's national sport. Not to mention the fact that her red knickers made like every national paper... Im not saying that most people know who she is but most people who follow tennis casually will know who she is. Most of my friends do. :ras: :o :weirdo: :rolleyes:

Slutiana
Sep 16th, 2008, 08:00 PM
I would see it like this as I listen to people

In the US for casual fans:

1. Serena Williams
2. Maria Sharapova
3. Venus Williams

Outside of the US for casual fan:

1. Maria Sharapova
2. Local tennis star(s)
3. Serena Williams
4. Venus Williams
Its weird because in the UK its probably

1. Venus
2. Serena


3. Maria.

Jose.
Sep 16th, 2008, 08:14 PM
Everyone knows who is Sharapova, the others are unknow to not-tennis fans

eugreene2
Sep 16th, 2008, 08:26 PM
OK, I just had some fun with this thread. I walked around my office and asked a small sample of 20 people who I've heard talk about sports or tennis at some point during my career here.

Here is the ranking (I'm in the US)...

1) Venus Williams - everyone mentioned her
2) Serena Williams - everyone mentioned her
3) Roger Federer - 14 people mentioned federer
4) Andy Roddick - 6 people mentioned him
5) Nadal - 4 people mentioned him
6) Sharapova - 2 people mentioned her
7) Blake - 1 person mentioned him

No one said Jankovic or Ivanovic ... a couple of them asked "what is the name of the girl Serena just beat". One female colleague tried hard - she said Katarina Vic :lol:

misael
Sep 16th, 2008, 08:30 PM
1. Betty White 2. Estelle getty 3. Bea arthur 4 Rue Macallahan

debopero
Sep 16th, 2008, 08:45 PM
Venus, Serena, Sharapova in that order :shrug: . The Williams Sisters are interchangable though.



(this is for the US)

LudwigDvorak
Sep 16th, 2008, 08:47 PM
1. Dementieva
2. Some other girls

LDF
Sep 16th, 2008, 08:48 PM
In the UK, I find that the general view is that Serena is right at the top, closely followed by Venus, and then Maria. No-one else really comes close.

Corswandt
Sep 16th, 2008, 10:14 PM
Mauresmo: That good French chick that looks like a man. Might think that her game is more power than finesse and might not be aware of her current slump/decline

That's exactly the impression I get not from casual fans but from people who know next to nothing about tennis. They look at her and think she's the strongest, most powerful player other than the Williams sisters, and that she hits tremendously hard. I have lost track at how many times I have explained to other people that she doesn't really play a baseline power game. And yes, they still think she's one of the world's very best players.

Other than that, congratulations to Volcana on his 721847329543257405th thread about the single topic he addresses on this board: how the Williams sisters are the biggest stars in the game.

Corswandt
Sep 16th, 2008, 10:15 PM
Everyone knows who is Sharapova, the others are unknow to not-tennis fans

Sharapova is the active tennis player non-fans are most likely to have heard about.

But Kournikova remains the one player everyone has heard about.

Mackep83
Sep 16th, 2008, 10:46 PM
In sweden noone knows who Serena or Venus are if the dont watch a lot of tennis

1. Always Kournikova

2. Hingis

3. Sharapova

hellas719
Sep 16th, 2008, 10:59 PM
In the US:
1.Serena
2.Sharapova
3.Venus
4.Safina
5.Ivanovic
In Greece:
1.Serena
2.Daniilidou
3.Ivanovic
4.Sharapova
5.Venus

Nicolás89
Sep 16th, 2008, 11:13 PM
What if we include recently "retired" players? The popularity list among casual fans would look like this I think

1.Kournikova
2.Serena/Sharapova
3.Venus
4.Henin
5.Hingis
6.Ivanovic
7.Seles
8.????

Il Primo!
Sep 16th, 2008, 11:16 PM
Serena
Pova
Vee

However, a month ago, it was:

Vee
Ree
Pova

and in February it was:

Pova
Ree
Vee

so it fluxuates :shrug:

ususally the 3 of them get HEAPS of media coverage when they win something big, so :shrug:


Pretty much it :yeah:

Cp6uja
Sep 17th, 2008, 01:03 AM
I'm asked one my virtual friend (his name is Google) which very like to comunicate with people around world, what he think about this... and here is his "results" about current TOP10 and 5 other active players, plus five retire players (which i asked him):



"SERENA WILLIAMS" 5,710,000
"JELENA JANKOVIC" 2,120,000
"ANA IVANOVIC" 4,080,000
"ELENA DEMENTIEVA" 1,390,000
"DINARA SAFINA" 557,000
"MARIA SHARAPOVA" 9,010,000
"VENUS WILLIAMS" 2,750,000
"SVETLANA KUZNETSOVA" 850,000
"AGNIESZKA RADWANSKA" 794,000
"VERA ZVONAREVA" 464,000

"LINDSAY DAVENPORT" 855,000
"AMELIE MAURESMO" 1,500,000
"DANIELA HANTUCHOVA" 1,170,000
"SANIA MIRZA" 2,490,000
"MARIA KIRILENKO" 691,000

"MARTINA HINGIS" 1,490,000
"JUSTINE HENIN" 2,030,000
"ANNA KOURNIKOVA" 7,080,000
"MONICA SELES" 605,000
"KIM CLIJSTERS" 779,000

Cp6uja
Sep 17th, 2008, 06:29 AM
So according to Google "RANK LIST" of current www popularity (which is probably close with "real world" popularity :rolleyes:) is:



"MARIA SHARAPOVA" 9,010,000
"ANNA KOURNIKOVA" 7,080,000
"SERENA WILLIAMS" 5,710,000
"ANA IVANOVIC" 4,080,000
"VENUS WILLIAMS" 2,750,000
"SANIA MIRZA" 2,490,000
"JELENA JANKOVIC" 2,120,000
"JUSTINE HENIN" 2,030,000
"AMELIE MAURESMO" 1,500,000
"MARTINA HINGIS" 1,490,000
"ELENA DEMENTIEVA" 1,390,000
"DANIELA HANTUCHOVA" 1,170,000

etc... etc...

sipnsurfMurph
Sep 17th, 2008, 08:52 AM
Casual tennis fans are a myth. You have hardcore fans and general sport fans. The rest of the public monitors tennis much like Floridians track hurricanes. (err, meaning no one remembers the tropical storm that fizzles)

General US sports fans have been drilled on Williamonics. Outside of them, only Swami like (general) sports intelligentsias could provide a current woman's name other than Maria Sharapova.

The rest of the world might be more aware. I suspect that beyond the peculiarity of national preference, the dynamic is similar to the USA.

eugreene2
Sep 17th, 2008, 10:17 AM
So according to Google "RANK LIST" of current www popularity (which is probably close with "real world" popularity :rolleyes:) is:



"MARIA SHARAPOVA" 9,010,000
"ANNA KOURNIKOVA" 7,080,000
"SERENA WILLIAMS" 5,710,000
"ANA IVANOVIC" 4,080,000
"VENUS WILLIAMS" 2,750,000
"SANIA MIRZA" 2,490,000
"JELENA JANKOVIC" 2,120,000
"JUSTINE HENIN" 2,030,000
"AMELIE MAURESMO" 1,500,000
"MARTINA HINGIS" 1,490,000
"ELENA DEMENTIEVA" 1,390,000
"DANIELA HANTUCHOVA" 1,170,000

etc... etc...


Sooooooooooo inaccurate ... google doesn't have a casual fan measuement. :lol:

Vlover
Sep 17th, 2008, 01:11 PM
In the US:
1.Serena
2.Sharapova
3.Venus


When actual polls are taken like the Harris Polls the results show otherwise, therefore those who have been stating the following order are closer to the truth.

U.S. FAVORITE FEMALE SPORTS STAR
TOP 10 RANKING
Base: All U.S. adults
2008 Ranking

Serena Williams

Venus Williams

Maria Sharapova

Ciarán
Sep 19th, 2008, 10:11 PM
1. William Sisters
2. Maria Sharapova
3. The Serbs(JJ more so in the UK, because she won Mixed Doubles @ Wimbledon with Jamie Murray in 2007)

Denise4925
Sep 20th, 2008, 01:46 AM
Serena
Venus
Maria

In that order.

Denise4925
Sep 20th, 2008, 01:51 AM
No one said Jankovic or Ivanovic ... a couple of them asked "what is the name of the girl Serena just beat". One female colleague tried hard - she said Katarina Vic :lol:

:lol::lol::lol:

OsloErik
Sep 20th, 2008, 02:59 AM
Serena Williams
Venus Williams
Anna Kournikova
Maria Sharapova
Ana Ivanovic
Elena Dementieva
Zheng Jie (Wimbledon Semifinal from a country of over a billion)
Sania Mirza
Jelena Jankovic

And I think that's it. Of those nine, I think the fewest overall people could recognize Jankovic's name. Dementieva gets a huge boost by winning the Olympics; before then, she had a core contingent of die-hard fans, and not a lot else. I still think the Williams are the gold standard as far as recognition goes. Pretty much everyone in the United States knows them, and anyone who casually follows tennis as well. Sharapova might barely edge them in terms of people who literally don't follow tennis at all, as she's made a great deal of waves in some parts of the world literally without playing tennis. But Venus and Serena are still institutions. Kournikova too. Ivanovic is rising, but the rate of rising is slowing down. Jie and Mirza are there only because they've got huge ethnic contingents rooting for them, and they've done enough to stoke the flames.

Cakeisgood
Sep 20th, 2008, 05:16 AM
1. Sharapova
2. Serena
3. Venus
4. Ivanovic

LOl I got badrepped by RenaSlam and Marshmallow for my list.

What disgusting people.