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Dunlop1
Sep 15th, 2008, 11:19 PM
I say yes for the following reasons.

1. Serena is FABULOUS.
She is over-the-top (or should I say was).
I mean cat-suit rena? Denim skirt with biker boots with midriff and belly ring showing? HAWT!!!

2. She is the definition of DRAMA.
Who can forget AO 2005 SF against Maria Sharapova. or her epic 2003 RG SF against Henin??

3. She does things HER WAY
She (and her sister) defy convention in everything she does. NO warmup for Wimbledon yet most decorated there outside of her sister this generation;
Show up without warm up and win slam, no junior tennis,

4. She is a FIGHTER
Did not have a silver spoon growing up but managed to achieve extraordinary amount of success due to her great mental toughness.

5. Her beef with other players
The fact that she went on record and said Maria Sharapova is overrated (:lol:), that Hingis didn't have an education, that she would go unbeaten in 2003 (:tape:), Henin and her lucky shots :hearts:, how she played at .7 percent when so and so beat her,

So is she a gay icon.

CAST YOUR VOTE!

c note
Sep 15th, 2008, 11:28 PM
As I have heard many times from my Best Gay, Serena is not a gay icon because she's not, nor has she ever been a sex symbol (see e.g., Cher, Britney, Madonna). People can argue all they want about that. I'm just repeating what my gay friends tell me. Also, she's too masculine looking (her body primarily is what they complain about).

But everything else you say is true. She's almost there. Just not quite.

-Sonic-
Sep 15th, 2008, 11:28 PM
No way.

daffodil
Sep 15th, 2008, 11:35 PM
She's not a sex symbol but CHER is?

I think she is. There's nobody who's more DIVA. D-I-V-A.

c note
Sep 15th, 2008, 11:41 PM
Cher was. She was GORGEOUS back in her Sonny and Cher days.

Plus Cher has that whole "rising from the ashes" thing that makes my gay friends love her. Serena is very secretive about her personal life so it's hard to relate to her. Cher/Madonna/Britney live it all on the front page for better or worse.

frontier
Sep 15th, 2008, 11:42 PM
whats a Gay Icon...enlighten me
does she have to be a Gay Icon....she has a following from hetero men that love her curves....I know a lot of men who like her curves and attitude

danieln1
Sep 16th, 2008, 12:27 AM
No

Direwolf
Sep 16th, 2008, 12:48 AM
oh Come on....

Venus is more of a Gay Icon than her...

gardengnome3
Sep 16th, 2008, 12:50 AM
oh Come on....

Venus is more of a Gay Icon than her...

Yeah, we all remember "Venus' girlfriend" :lol:

Geisha
Sep 16th, 2008, 01:29 AM
I don't think she's famous enough to be a gay icon, per se. But, she has the qualities of a gay icon, definitely.

If an actress was as successful as Serena is in tennis and had all of the aforementioned qualities, then they would definitely be a gay icon!

TheFifthAvocado
Sep 16th, 2008, 01:34 AM
Duh! She's fierce. http://planetsmilies.net/obscene-smiley-1041.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

Wtrain
Sep 16th, 2008, 01:46 AM
Hells yeah... I love her!

azza
Sep 16th, 2008, 01:50 AM
fuck no shes to fat and ugly to be one :lol:

tonybotz
Sep 16th, 2008, 01:52 AM
sorry, give me a bitch with a drug problem, and i'm hers. serena is no gay icon. "thick" girls, yes.

Dunlop1
Sep 16th, 2008, 01:55 AM
Duh! She's fierce. http://planetsmilies.net/obscene-smiley-1041.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

A HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
:haha::haha:

pengluv
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:28 AM
Actually she is. You people that take the time to call her ugly and fat are just insecure and just wish you were women. The reason Serena Williams is a gay icon is because she represents how you dont have to conform to the roles that society casts on you. She represents the whole point of how humans are seperated by the differences you are born with, but through hard work and determination you can do what you want. She proved that she was a force that people had just to accept and respect. So yes she is a gay icon. Plus in my opinion all gay people love strong powerful cute face thick waist black women for some reason.

Martian Jeza
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:40 AM
whats a Gay Icon...enlighten me
does she have to be a Gay Icon....she has a following from hetero men that love her curves....I know a lot of men who like her curves and attitude

A gay Icon, I will show you an example, not in tennis but in soccer : Cristiano Ronaldo : unbelievable how gay he is and how much he attracts gays.

Martian Jeza
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:43 AM
Sory, but there are no "gay icons" in tennis at this moment ;).

He/She wanted an example, I gave him/her : nice from me isn't it ?

Drake1980
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:51 AM
:tape:
Cher! :spit:

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:03 AM
Dunlop I have had a bad interaction with you.
I remember recalling you calling me a ****** in a bad rep and unlike Denise I have proof of that if the mods allow me to get to my previous reps in the last six months.
In fact the thread might still be on here in which you made such insensitive remarks about gays, that we should "just deal with the things going on against us in this world and stop complaining".


So if this is your attempt to finally start to be open-minded then I applaud.

But if this is your attempt to make fun of gays for liking Serena and I get any indication of that, I will hunt you down like an eagle hunts a mole.
You're on my watch.


Now to answer your question. Serena has always been a gay icon for many reasons and for many years.
That's also an oddity.
It's pretty much a given.

Now if the question is why is Serena a gay icon and Venus isn't as much then we have ourselves an interesting and good discussion.

Martian Jeza
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:06 AM
Its ok, i adore your posts...but,you have totally missed the boat on this one ;):kiss:...:wavey:

You adoring my posts ? lol ! I'm a troll, wanker, idiot, etc. remember ? :p

tonybotz
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:07 AM
Patsy Stone is a gay icon. Dusty Springfield is a gay icon. Judy Garland...but as a proud gay man I just do not see Serena as a gay anything. She's a jehovah's witness, and most of us gays don't get along well with those.

Scotso
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:11 AM
A gay Icon, I will show you an example, not in tennis but in soccer : Cristiano Ronaldo : unbelievable how gay he is and how much he attracts gays.

Come. Out. Of. The. Closet.

Martian Jeza
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:13 AM
Come. Out. Of. The. Closet.

Desperate, How many times I will have to say to you, I was, am, will never been atracted by men, ffs.

Martian Jeza
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:18 AM
,,,,,,,,,,,,, :confused:

Nah, Scotso is obessed with me coming out the closet wich will never happen, I'm only into women. ;)

Optima
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:23 AM
Nope.

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:28 AM
Patsy Stone is a gay icon. Dusty Springfield is a gay icon. Judy Garland...but as a proud gay man I just do not see Serena as a gay anything. She's a jehovah's witness, and most of us gays don't get along well with those.

Thank you so much for writing the way you wrote because the fact is you happened to write all white people as gay icons and the fact is the gay community doesn't relate many if any black people as gay icons helps me to write my stance.

I don't know Patti LuPone like that but according to many she is a gay icon.
Joan Crawford, Betty Davis, Judy Garland, etc.

But where's Pearl Bailey, Diana Ross, Lena Horne?

They're not there.

These are black icons who should have a better status as gay icons but because they don't look as some of you reflect they aren't.

Diana Ross is more a black icon than gay.
So is Gloria Gaynor.
So is Whitney.
So is Mariah.
Donna Summers might be the only one who is a gay icon as much as a black icon.
Deborah Cox as well.

So that's it, five minorities (Donna Summers, Margaret Cho, Deborah Cox, etc.) and RuPaul that could be passed off as a black women are real gay icons.

Makes you think.

Serena is my gay icon for her open-mindedness, her openness with her sexuality, her ability to dare people to talk to her and not behind her back, she can be a drama queen at times but I accept all of her.

She is my beautiful princess. A women who has broken even more barriers in my opinion in the last few years with her sister than Billie Jean King has.

fufuqifuqishahah
Sep 16th, 2008, 04:20 AM
Yes, she is a gay icon. The gays love her cuz she's confident, blah blah blah. :)

tennisIlove09
Sep 16th, 2008, 04:26 AM
I am leaning towards no. I think the only players that are "gay icons" are Navratilova, Billie Jean and Kournikova.

stevos
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:05 AM
I am leaning towards no. I think the only players that are "gay icons" are Navratilova, Billie Jean and Kournikova.

I'd say Kournikova's status in the heterosexual realm kind of knocks her off this podium. Yes, she is gorgeous and a fantastic dresser, but I would put many other players above her.

Including Venus and Serena.

I personally would call Serena somewhat of a gay icon to tennis fans, yes.
They all have some gay icon status to them anyway though, due to their strength, importance of women's tennis in a male-dominated realm (sports in general), and other factors.

Oh and Wannabe, wouldn't you rank Mariah as a greater gay icon than Black icon? Maybe I'm just ignorant to that situation.

CrossCourt~Rally
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:08 AM
Thank you so much for writing the way you wrote because the fact is you happened to write all white people as gay icons and the fact is the gay community doesn't relate many if any black people as gay icons helps me to write my stance.

I don't know Patti LuPone like that but according to many she is a gay icon.
Joan Crawford, Betty Davis, Judy Garland, etc.

But where's Pearl Bailey, Diana Ross, Lena Horne?

They're not there.

These are black icons who should have a better status as gay icons but because they don't look as some of you reflect they aren't.

Diana Ross is more a black icon than gay.
So is Gloria Gaynor.
So is Whitney.
So is Mariah.
Donna Summers might be the only one who is a gay icon as much as a black icon.
Deborah Cox as well.

So that's it, five minorities (Donna Summers, Margaret Cho, Deborah Cox, etc.) and RuPaul that could be passed off as a black women are real gay icons.

Makes you think.

Serena is my gay icon for her open-mindedness, her openness with her sexuality, her ability to dare people to talk to her and not behind her back, she can be a drama queen at times but I accept all of her.

She is my beautiful princess. A women who has broken even more barriers in my opinion in the last few years with her sister than Billie Jean King has.



:help:

dreamgoddess099
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:36 AM
I don't know what a gay icon is, but she sure is popular with lesbians. I mean Ellen adores her and Melissa Etheridge called her a goddess. I know those two don't represent a fraction of the lesbian population, but sorry, they are the only lesbians I can think of. :lol: Anyway, Serena's an interesting character. She appeals to a lot of people for a lot of different reasons. Black men basically worship her body (read tits and ass), while little girls look up to her skill and fun outfits. Her physique (read biceps and shoulders) make some people see her as masculine, but as far as her personality; you won't find a more feminine girly girl on tour. She's a real enigma, most people don't know how to categorize her. But that's what makes her so unique.

Dodoboy.
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:38 AM
She is probably a BLACK gay icon :shrug:

ridler2012
Sep 16th, 2008, 07:18 AM
I don't think also... She's not a sex icon or something like that. :devil:

Tennisation
Sep 16th, 2008, 07:37 AM
I'm not sure what you guys define a gay icon as, but to me, I've always known a gay icon as a sex symbol and attracts plenty of the same sex. Ana Kournikova on the other hand would be a more appropriate description of a gay icon. I somehow don't see Serena and Ana K in the same sentence. If you can justify to me that many lesbians envy Serena as their dream girl, then she is. Otherwise, end of discussion.

rada
Sep 16th, 2008, 07:58 AM
Patsy Stone is a gay icon. Dusty Springfield is a gay icon. Judy Garland...but as a proud gay man I just do not see Serena as a gay anything. She's a jehovah's witness, and most of us gays don't get along well with those.

Yes Jehovah's witness don't like gays so i don't see how she could be a gay icon?

dutchsf
Sep 16th, 2008, 08:03 AM
Yes Jehovah's witness don't like gays so i don't see how she could be a gay icon?


totally agree
that was the first thing that came to my mind
there religion thinks being gay is the same as being a thief or something bad.

homogenius
Sep 16th, 2008, 08:16 AM
totally agree
that was the first thing that came to my mind
there religion thinks being gay is the same as being a thief or something bad.

I think she surely is some sort of icon for some gay (stong woman, diva, blah blah)and for some lesbians (hot)and I suppose those don't care about the Jehova thing.
As for her being a global gay icon, I don't think so.

tennnisfannn
Sep 16th, 2008, 10:33 AM
No one is is explaining what a gay icon is. Do you have to be gay to be one if so is Mauresmo one?

frontier
Sep 16th, 2008, 10:37 AM
I think she surely is some sort of icon for some gay (stong woman, diva, blah blah)and for some lesbians (hot)and I suppose those don't care about the Jehova thing.
As for her being a global gay icon, I don't think so.she doesnt have to be A GAY ICON ...she obvious has a following,the ratings at he USA Open and everytime she plays show us how popular she is.She doesnt need to be an Icon to be relevant...:p

Just Do It
Sep 16th, 2008, 10:40 AM
WTF Serena is a Jehovah's witness :crying2:

I read a book, where it was saidevery JW has to go from a door to door for 15 hours a week or so. Is Serena doing it as well ?

frontier
Sep 16th, 2008, 10:42 AM
WTF Serena is a Jehovah's witness :crying2:

I read a book, where it was saidevery JW has to go from a door to door for 15 hours a week or so. Is Serena doing it as well ?:p:rolleyes::wavey:

-Sonic-
Sep 16th, 2008, 11:19 AM
I'd love Kylie to make an appearance at Wimbledon... would take that over a day of tennis any day.

Rocketta
Sep 16th, 2008, 11:46 AM
Can someone point me to a religion that doesn't say homosexuality is bad? :scratch:

Why is it all of a sudden an issue when talking about JW? Like Catholics, Muslims, Baptists are any different. :rolleyes:

-Sonic-
Sep 16th, 2008, 11:50 AM
We either don't know other player's religions, or they don't thank their God when they win a tournament, or the topic isn't whether any other player with any other religion is a gay icon.

Rocketta
Sep 16th, 2008, 11:59 AM
We either don't know other player's religions, or they don't thank their God when they win a tournament, or the topic isn't whether any other player with any other religion is a gay icon.

so? how does that relate to saying someone can't be a gay icon because they are JW? Like being a JW prevents that any more than any other religion. Do other players have to thank their God before people realize they have a religion? Does Sania Mirza have to thank Allah before we know she's a muslim? I don't see how that has to do with anything considering how few players actually win tournaments, a and b, how few winning speeches we get to hear.

The point is being a JW is no more limiting than any other religion. Not every JW believes the exact same thing. So why do people act like they have any clue as to what Serena's personal relationship with her God is? :confused:

darkangel23
Sep 16th, 2008, 01:47 PM
Definitely not!!!

StephenUK
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:23 PM
No - maybe lesbians would disagree with me but she certainly isn't an idol for most gay men. She may have a diva-ish personality but has absolutely no style - her stylist should be shot for the execrable outfits she wears (worst series of fashion crimes since Sarah, Duchess of York in the 1980s/90s)! She can actually look quite nice when the outfit is well chosen (eg the floor length gown she wore for a Sony Ericsson shot, selected by the likes of Trinny and Susannah to hide those thunder thighs) but most of the time, she doesn't have a clue.

I could see JJ becoming a gay icon if she actually started winning some slams and getting noticed - some of those over-made up shots of her do have the hint of the drag queen about them, don't you think?

shap_half
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:24 PM
Mariah Carey is definitely more of a gay icon than she is a black icon.

Deborah Cox, really? She's not even a blip on my radar.

How about other minorities like figure skater Michelle Kwan? Maybe for figure skating fans.

I think that Serena is a gay, tennis icon. As in most gay tennis fans idolize her. I don't. In fact, I really dislike her, but I can certainly see why people would be inspired by her.

But is she a gay icon in the same vein Madonna, Cher, Barbra, Judy, Britney are? No, and she never will be.

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:24 PM
so? how does that relate to saying someone can't be a gay icon because they are JW? Like being a JW prevents that any more than any other religion. Do other players have to thank their God before people realize they have a religion? Does Sania Mirza have to thank Allah before we know she's a muslim? I don't see how that has to do with anything considering how few players actually win tournaments, a and b, how few winning speeches we get to hear.

The point is being a JW is no more limiting than any other religion. Not every JW believes the exact same thing. So why do people act like they have any clue as to what Serena's personal relationship with her God is? :confused:

Rocketta don't fall for that. The real reason is because she's black.
See the tennis players that people are picking as gay icons, Billie Jean King, Martina Navratilova, and Amelie Mauresmo, all white lesbians.

Why can't a straight black women be a gay icon?
It's because that's not something accepted in the gay community.
Because the gay community is generally white. They don't care if a black man like me gets the same rights as them.
As I've mentioned before that's the issue with the gay community they want everyone to be open-minded to their lifestyle but then they discriminate against their own via, weight, race, and standing in life.

It doesn't matter to me about Serena's beliefs or her being straight.
She is my gay icon.

shap_half
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:28 PM
I could see JJ becoming a gay icon if she actually started winning some slams and getting noticed - some of those over-made up shots of her do have the hint of the drag queen about them, don't you think?

I really don't know if JJ will ever bridge that gap. She needs to develop more notoriety, for sure. Obviously, she has a lot of the makings of a gay icon, but she dresses just as poorly as Serena, just in a different way. Whereas Serena's body is just difficult to dress and therefore finding a great outfit is rare, JJ chooses some of the most absurd over the top things to wear.

JJ can start making appearances at Fashion Shows and such to really up her visibility factor. And start winning slams.

shap_half
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:29 PM
I could see JJ becoming a gay icon if she actually started winning some slams and getting noticed - some of those over-made up shots of her do have the hint of the drag queen about them, don't you think?

I really don't know if JJ will ever bridge that gap. She needs to develop more notoriety, for sure. Obviously, she has a lot of the makings of a gay icon, but she dresses just as poorly as Serena, just in a different way. Whereas Serena's body is just difficult to dress and therefore finding a great outfit is rare, JJ chooses some of the most absurd over the top things to wear.

JJ can start making appearances at Fashion Shows and such to really up her visibility factor. And start winning slams.

roelc
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:31 PM
WTF Serena is a Jehovah's witness :crying2:

I read a book, where it was saidevery JW has to go from a door to door for 15 hours a week or so. Is Serena doing it as well ?

no, she has a "knee-injury" ;)

isn't jelena jankovic more of a gay icon? or just transsexual icon hehe!
she sure is dramaqueen

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:31 PM
Mariah Carey is definitely more of a gay icon than she is a black icon.

Deborah Cox, really? She's not even a blip on my radar.

How about other minorities like figure skater Michelle Kwan? Maybe for figure skating fans.

I think that Serena is a gay, tennis icon. As in most gay tennis fans idolize her. I don't. In fact, I really dislike her, but I can certainly see why people would be inspired by her.

But is she a gay icon in the same vein Madonna, Cher, Barbra, Judy, Britney are? No, and she never will be.

With Mariah I would say you're absolutely right, if we were still in the 90s but it's 2008 and she's leveled off a bit with the gay community.
She use to re-record her vocals for house music (usually David Morales) but now she doesn't anymore.
She has more R&B and hip-hop remixes on this album than house/dance remixes.

Deborah Cox is barely a gay icon, they're tired of the same shit from her but we still love her, for now.

Michelle Kwan is a gay icon, that is true. Can you think of another asian though? :lol:

I think that Serena could get up to the level of Britney.

disco_rage
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:33 PM
Speaking as a gay guy......i would say Serena is not a gay icon................... Jenny CAPRIATI is for sure!
As for the guy saying that white people dont have black gay icons....... thats just not true at all....
Donna Summer is my No.1 icon....

As for Serena getting up there with BRITNEY........ after Britney's last year, soon she will be the biggest icon, lol.

shap_half
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:43 PM
Rocketta don't fall for that. The real reason is because she's black.
See the tennis players that people are picking as gay icons, Billie Jean King, Martina Navratilova, and Amelie Mauresmo, all white lesbians.

Why can't a straight black women be a gay icon?
It's because that's not something accepted in the gay community.
Because the gay community is generally white. They don't care if a black man like me gets the same rights as them.
As I've mentioned before that's the issue with the gay community they want everyone to be open-minded to their lifestyle but then they discriminate against their own via, weight, race, and standing in life.

It doesn't matter to me about Serena's beliefs or her being straight.
She is my gay icon.

Margaret Cho is a gay icon, she's not exactly a svelte lady.

Amelie Mauresmo is no gay icon.

MN and BJK are gay icons not because they are white lesbians, but because they actually do something about the gay cause. Is Portia de Rossi a gay icon? No. She's a white lesbian, isn't she?

What about Janet Jackson? Massive gay icon. A straight, black woman (whose weight fluctuates more than the sea)? Imelda Marcos, for her profusive flamboyancy, is considered to be a gay icon. An ethnic (asian), straight woman? Gloria Gaynor? Beyonce? Melanie B of the Spice Girls? Whitney?

Marshmallow
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:51 PM
Uh no :lol:. Miss Vivica A Fake Tits has that role :lick:

I don't get it, so there's only room for ONE black gay Icon? A token? :rolleyes: :lol:

I think Wannabe has made some good points actually. I don't agree with all, but some very interesting stuff.

Marshmallow
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:56 PM
But is she a gay icon in the same vein Madonna, Cher, Barbra, Judy, Britney are? No, and she never will be.

:o I have to ask, why on earth would Britney be a gay icon? I feel sorry for her and all but I think that's scary and humiliating that she would be a gay Icon.

Wtrain
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:57 PM
Speaking as a gay guy......i would say Serena is not a gay icon................... Jenny CAPRIATI is for sure!
As for the guy saying that white people dont have black gay icons....... thats just not true at all....
Donna Summer is my No.1 icon....

As for Serena getting up there with BRITNEY........ after Britney's last year, soon she will be the biggest icon, lol.

What? :lol:

améliemomo
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:02 PM
Madonna is a gay icon
Kylie Minogue is a gay icon
Marylin Monroe is a gay icon
Diana Ross is a gay icon

but serena williams NO.

Marshmallow
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:02 PM
To answer the question, I think Serena has the character and story to be a Gay Icon, but she's not recognised as one because she's not famous enough. [I'm also not sure how well mainstream gay community will take to Serena anyway... she's a big bad (black) Mama kind of woman ... :shrug:]

disco_rage
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:08 PM
Serena needs more drama in her life to become a true gay icon... maybe after tennis she will become one.
CAPRIATI is a gay icon... why?... C'mon, all the drama, the teen prodigy, the drug problems, the arrest, the comeback, the partying, the clubbing, the drinking, the smoking, the cussing, the attitude..........all classic.
BRITNEY is a gay icon... why? the DRAMA... and the MUSIC. easy

alfonsojose
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:11 PM
Tranny Icon, maybe.

Marshmallow
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:12 PM
Clearly being a gay icon is nothing to be proud of. Amy Winehouse is an inductee I guess.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:13 PM
Tranny Icon, maybe.

Just like demented is the failure icon

homogenius
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:21 PM
Rocketta don't fall for that. The real reason is because she's black.
See the tennis players that people are picking as gay icons, Billie Jean King, Martina Navratilova, and Amelie Mauresmo, all white lesbians.

Why can't a straight black women be a gay icon?
It's because that's not something accepted in the gay community.
Because the gay community is generally white.They don't care if a black man like me gets the same rights as them.
As I've mentioned before that's the issue with the gay community they want everyone to be open-minded to their lifestyle but then they discriminate against their own via, weight, race, and standing in life.

It doesn't matter to me about Serena's beliefs or her being straight.
She is my gay icon.

Sorry to say but such bs in this post (not mentionning your other posts in this thread).BJK, Navratilova and Mauresmo are picked up because they're lesbians and have openly talked about it(pretty rare in professionnal sport, and still rare in celebreties in general).Each has (on different levels) do something for this community.
What Serena has done to be noticed specifically by gays or lesbians ?

Your argument about the discrimination inside the gay US community (btw US is not the world...)is interesting (and debatle :))but has nothing to do with Serena being or not a gay icon.

As for the part in bold : reading you in the thread about gays voters for Palin few days ago, this kind sentence coming from you sounds quite hypocrital.

A'DAM
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:55 PM
And what the hell gay Icon is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111?

wild.river
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:57 PM
Sorry to say but such bs in this post (not mentionning your other posts in this thread).BJK, Navratilova and Mauresmo are picked up because they're lesbians and have openly talked about it(pretty rare in professionnal sport, and still rare in celebreties in general).Each has (on different levels) do something for this community.
What Serena has done to be noticed specifically by gays or lesbians ?

Your argument about the discrimination inside the gay US community (btw US is not the world...)is interesting (and debatle :))but has nothing to do with Serena being or not a gay icon.

As for the part in bold : reading you in the thread about gays voters for Palin few days ago, this kind sentence coming from you sounds quite hypocrital.

:worship:

frontier
Sep 16th, 2008, 04:11 PM
do the gays sign her checks....:rolleyes:

Destiny
Sep 16th, 2008, 04:38 PM
Yes she is :)

Max565
Sep 16th, 2008, 05:53 PM
She has all the qualities but she's just a gay icon of the tennis world... not in general. She's not mainstream or famous enough, imo.

btw, I know plenty of straight black women who are considered as gay icons...

GogoGirl
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:12 PM
Hey All,

See what I mean about certain tennis related general topics not being allowed in General Messages, but something as immature, useless and uniteresting as this one is allowed? WITH?! Who cares who's gay or not around here? And isn't there a Non-Tennis topics forum for this? Just because Serena is a tennis player, this petty mess is allowed? Who cares who is or who isn't a gay icon? Why are some people so obsessed w/who is gay or not? And, please don't call Serena ugly and fat, because I'm sure gay folks wouldn't want people to crack on them. It's baby steps w/some around here - I guess.

Marshmallow
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:27 PM
btw, I know plenty of straight black women who are considered as gay icons...

I'm really struggling to think of a few, I can count 4 - and their all singers.

I wonder if Beyonce is on that list, even though she's made what some have inferred as homophobic comments. E.g. She has no qualms about spreading her legs all over the place in her videos and performances, in front of young children I might add, but said girl on girl stuff would compromise her christianity. [*Insert Lizchris title emoticon*]

I like her music though. :D

Thanx4nothin
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:29 PM
:lol:Cher was. She was GORGEOUS back in her Sonny and Cher days.

Plus Cher has that whole "rising from the ashes" thing that makes my gay friends love her. Serena is very secretive about her personal life so it's hard to relate to her. Cher/Madonna/Britney live it all on the front page for better or worse.

:o Not to me. I would say she isn't. I mean being a fighter etc etc are reasons for anyone to like her not just the gays. I'll just call a gay friend before I post this though.

:lol: my friend said no because she doesn't actively go to gay pride or nething like that, so No from me and my gay friend.:lol:

Dodoboy.
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:30 PM
I'm really struggling to think of a few, I can count 4 - and their all singers.

I wonder if Beyonce is on that list

I like her music though. :D

Oh she definitely is. You just have to look at her videos.

frontier
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:38 PM
Cesaria Evora is an Icon too

Joee
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:51 PM
Noooo

Thanx4nothin
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:51 PM
:lol: is beyonce a homophobe now, or a gay icon? I'm :confused:

dreamgoddess099
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:52 PM
And what the hell gay Icon is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111?

Apparently anybody who is moderately famous and gay, or champions gays, or that gays fantasize about being or looking like. Oh, and it also seems to help if they are over the top, flamboyant, or do outrageous dramatic things for attention. I don't know about anybody else, but I pity anybody who idolizes non sing ass Cher and Britney Spears. It that the best the gays can do? Idolize somebody with some talent please.:rolleyes:

Dodoboy.
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:54 PM
:lol: is beyonce a homophobe now, or a gay icon? I'm :confused:

Well she is LONG way from being a homo-phobe but she did make some comments which are quite hazy to me.

dreamgoddess099
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:59 PM
:lol: is beyonce a homophobe now, or a gay icon? I'm :confused:
Well judging by her Freakum Dress video with them churin dressing and dancing behind her, and her lyrics about snapings for the kids; she sure isn't that homophobic.

Thanx4nothin
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:59 PM
Apparently anybody who is moderately famous and gay, or champions gays, or that gays fantasize about being or looking like. Oh, and it also seems to help if they are over the top, flamboyant, or do outrageous dramatic things for attention. I don't know about anybody else, but I pity anybody who idolizes non sing ass Cher and Britney Spears. It that the best the gays can do? Idolize somebody with some talent please.:rolleyes:

Cher >>>>Britney in the talent stakes. She did at least win an oscar, she's a fabulous actress.

dreamgoddess099
Sep 16th, 2008, 07:03 PM
Cher >>>>Britney in the talent stakes. She did at least win an oscar, she's a fabulous actress.

You're right, I'll give it to her for her acting chops.

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 16th, 2008, 07:30 PM
Sorry to say but such bs in this post (not mentionning your other posts in this thread).BJK, Navratilova and Mauresmo are picked up because they're lesbians and have openly talked about it(pretty rare in professionnal sport, and still rare in celebreties in general).Each has (on different levels) do something for this community.
What Serena has done to be noticed specifically by gays or lesbians ?

Your argument about the discrimination inside the gay US community (btw US is not the world...)is interesting (and debatle :))but has nothing to do with Serena being or not a gay icon.

As for the part in bold : reading you in the thread about gays voters for Palin few days ago, this kind sentence coming from you sounds quite hypocrital.

She's open with her sexuality. She doesn't care what people say about her.
Have u seen Billie Jean King, Amelie Mauresmo, or Martina Navratilova be intimate in anyway with their lovers and I'm only asking for only a kiss on the cheeks?

No. Because they're too scared what people will think about them or what their sponsers will say for them to do so.

Is is not odd to you that Amelie Mauresmo has kissed Kim Clijsters more in public than her lover or previous lover? :lol:

It's going to sound hyprocritcal and I've finally realized my humanity on this site to be comfortable with that.
We're humans, we're going to always contradict ourselves at one point.

I'm right on this one though and honestly this is could be a subconcious reason why I don't feel gay marriage should be defined as gays want it.

The reality is that the US gay community asks for people to be open-minded to their lifestyle and then discriminates to the point of wondering why should they get something in which they might even discriminate from a marriage level as well.

MrSerenaWilliams
Sep 16th, 2008, 07:39 PM
WTF Serena is a Jehovah's witness :crying2:

I read a book, where it was saidevery JW has to go from a door to door for 15 hours a week or so. Is Serena doing it as well ?

She said (in like 1999 or so) that she had to stop because people kept asking her to sign their bibles.

But she had a birthday party a couple of years ago (when she was dating Brett Ratner) so I don't think she's a "by the book" JW.

Plus she thanks him all the time, and I think I read something that says Jehovah's Witnesses aren't supposed to thank him or something like that :shrug:

Aaron.
Sep 16th, 2008, 07:41 PM
alot of Serena's fans are gay :shrug:

tonybotz
Sep 16th, 2008, 08:54 PM
actually being a JW is MUCH more limiting than most religions. you cant celebrate your birthday. you cant participate in voting! sorry, thats not my kinda role model

frontier
Sep 16th, 2008, 08:57 PM
I am sure she has her share of gay fans...I am sure in Miami,San Francisco and New York they have some fans

sweetpeas
Sep 16th, 2008, 10:04 PM
She call G.B.B

stevos
Sep 17th, 2008, 02:48 AM
She call G.B.B

I totally agree? :hearts::kiss::wavyie::inlove::wavey:

Angelnoir
Sep 17th, 2008, 03:21 AM
A better thread would be can a thread be created and not mention Serena hmmmmmmmm

Shoulderpova
Sep 17th, 2008, 03:22 AM
She's neither hot nor pretty. How could she be? :tape:

Angelnoir
Sep 17th, 2008, 03:22 AM
She call G.B.B

Translation please?

youizahoe
Sep 17th, 2008, 03:24 PM
Gay icon = someone who finds a lot of appreciation and carries the characteristics of gay people. Nothing to do with sex-appeal. Serena is one, but not a huge one.

Fidello
Sep 17th, 2008, 03:49 PM
I don't like her, so she must be :p

youizahoe
Sep 17th, 2008, 04:12 PM
She's neither hot nor pretty. How could she be? :tape:

Then you must be a hideous creature. :tape:

DA FOREHAND
Sep 17th, 2008, 06:05 PM
Has anyone bothered to asks matt01?

Olórin
Sep 17th, 2008, 06:22 PM
Has anyone bothered to asks matt01?

:spit:

Olórin
Sep 17th, 2008, 06:22 PM
She's neither hot nor pretty. How could she be? :tape:

So ALL gay icons are hot and pretty?

le bon vivant
Sep 17th, 2008, 07:07 PM
As I've mentioned before that's the issue with the gay community they want everyone to be open-minded to their lifestyle but then they discriminate against their own via, weight, race, and standing in life.Oop...

dreamgoddess099
Sep 18th, 2008, 01:15 AM
She's neither hot nor pretty. How could she be? :tape:

So ALL gay icons are hot and pretty?

Why would any female gay icon need to be hot to a gay man? If women made them hot then they wouldn't be gay men. Gay men think men are hot, so in that sense, how could any female that's not built like a man look hot?

Angelnoir
Sep 18th, 2008, 04:46 AM
Why would any female gay icon need to be hot to a gay man? If women made them hot then they wouldn't be gay men. Gay men think men are hot, so in that sense, how could any female that's not built like a man look hot?

I definitely agree with you.

Matt01
Sep 18th, 2008, 11:17 AM
Has anyone bothered to asks matt01?


I think she is but I'm not sure :)

Lulu.
Sep 18th, 2008, 11:26 AM
Why would any female gay icon need to be hot to a gay man? If women made them hot then they wouldn't be gay men. Gay men think men are hot, so in that sense, how could any female that's not built like a man look hot?

Well said as usual. I totally agree with this statement.


And I voted yes, because she IS fierce.

LDVTennis
Sep 18th, 2008, 04:04 PM
The gay press has never shown much interest in Serena. The most notable gay icon at the moment would be Angelina Jolie.

While in general a woman doesn't have to be a goddess like Angelina to be a gay icon, she typically possesses a unique talent, combined with a definitive sense of style or individuality. That is what made Barbra Streisand a gay icon, her vocal/acting talent and her politics. When it comes to those things, Serena is not in Angelina's or Barbra's league.

tennislover
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:12 PM
fuck no shes to fat and ugly to be one :lol:

:lol: that's really mean of you: you really deserved the #1 seed in the 2008 WTAWorld annoyance trophy! :lol:

dreamgoddess099
Sep 18th, 2008, 07:42 PM
While in general a woman doesn't have to be a goddess like Angelina to be a gay icon, she typically possesses a unique talent, combined with a definitive sense of style or individuality. That is what made Barbra Streisand a gay icon, her vocal/acting talent and her politics. When it comes to those things, Serena is not in Angelina's or Barbra's league.

Just a few questions, since when are acting and singing such unique talents? Last time I checked there was hundreds more grammy winning singers and oscar winning actresses than there are grandslam winning tennis players. And since when does Serena Wiliams not have a definitive sense of style or individuality?:lol: She's less like her tennis peers than Babara and Angelina are to there's. I'm talking in background, physique, and abilities. I guess it also helps that Angelina and Barbara have both played Gay characters or men in movies?
Really, I don't care if Serena is a gay icon or not, to tell the truth I don't think she does either. Although she doesn't speak ill of homosexuality, she's not exactly out marching in the gay pride parade or telling stories of hanging out with gay friends. We don't even know if she has any,I'm sure she does as she probably met plenty in design school.

LDVTennis
Sep 18th, 2008, 11:21 PM
Just a few questions, since when are acting and singing such unique talents? Last time I checked there was hundreds more grammy winning singers and oscar winning actresses than there are grandslam winning tennis players. And since when does Serena Wiliams not have a definitive sense of style or individuality?:lol: She's less like her tennis peers than Babara and Angelina are to there's. I'm talking in background, physique, and abilities. I guess it also helps that Angelina and Barbara have both played Gay characters or men in movies?
Really, I don't care if Serena is a gay icon or not, to tell the truth I don't think she does either. Although she doesn't speak ill of homosexuality, she's not exactly out marching in the gay pride parade or telling stories of hanging out with gay friends. We don't even know if she has any,I'm sure she does as she probably met plenty in design school.


What does being a gay icon have to do with "marching in gay pride parade[s]? Absolutely nothing. Barbra (spelled "Barbra" not Barbara) and Angelina have never marched in a gay pride parade. Furthermore, Barbra was a gay icon long before she played a woman pretending to be a man in Yentl.

As to Serena, you are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. But, ask yourself this, if Serena's style is so distinctive, why hasn't she had an influence on fashion outside of tennis? For instance, why no guest appearance as a judge on Project Runway? With Heidi Klum's husband Seal being such a big tennis fan, you think it would have happened already if Serena had such a distinctive style? By the way, Project Runway is big with "the gays" as Kathy Griffin affectionately calls them/us.

While there are no true gay icons in the bunch, there have been a number of tennis players with large gay followings in the past. They are:

Chris Evert
Martina Navratilova
Steffi Graf
Monica Seles.

All have been quite popular with "the gays."

Steffica Greles
Sep 19th, 2008, 12:18 AM
What does being a gay icon have to do with "marching in gay pride parade[s]? Absolutely nothing. Barbra (spelled "Barbra" not Barbara) and Angelina have never marched in a gay pride parade. Furthermore, Barbra was a gay icon long before she played a woman pretending to be a man in Yentl.

As to Serena, you are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. But, ask yourself this, if Serena's style is so distinctive, why hasn't she had an influence on fashion outside of tennis? For instance, why no guest appearance as a judge on Project Runway? With Heidi Klum's husband Seal being such a big tennis fan, you think it would have happened already if Serena had such a distinctive style? By the way, Project Runway is big with "the gays" as Kathy Griffin affectionately calls them/us.

While there are no true gay icons in the bunch, there have been a number of tennis players with large gay followings in the past. They are:

Chris Evert
Martina Navratilova
Steffi Graf
Monica Seles.

All have been quite popular with "the gays."
So true. Steffi for her phenomenal athleticism whilst being a great lady; Seles for her ferocity, tenacity and comeback; Navratilova as a pioneer and beacon; and Evert for her grace and no-frills femininity.

Two others I'd add are Aranxta Sanchez-Vicario (on a par, perhaps even above some of those above in her gay following) and Jennifer Capriati, for largely the same reasons as Seles.

Aranxta captured hearts wherever she went.

pav
Sep 19th, 2008, 12:28 AM
Xena she isn't
a gay icon she can't become
cause of those massive hooters
and that monstrous bum!

dreamgoddess099
Sep 19th, 2008, 06:21 AM
What does being a gay icon have to do with "marching in gay pride parade[s]? I didn't say it did. I was pointing out that Serena doesn't have a history of concerning herself with gay issues one way or another, so who knows if she even cares to be a gay icon. How did you get that one needs to march in gay pride parades to be a gay icon from what I said? That's called reading too hard, or not reading hard enough.

b Furthermore, Barbra was a gay icon long before she played a woman pretending to be a man in Yentl.So where is that written, in the gay icon almanac?:rolleyes: Is the year she was officially appointed in there as well?

As to Serena, you are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. But, ask yourself this, if Serena's style is so distinctive, why hasn't she had an influence on fashion outside of tennis? Just the fact that she's had an influence on fashion inside of tennis is enough. Where are Angelina's an Barbra's fashion influence? What the hell is the Angelina Jolie look? Having big ass crusty lips? And Barbra, what look has she coined besides the potato nose?

For instance, why no guest appearance as a judge on Project Runway? Oh, so that's the measurement of whether or not a person has individual style now?:lol: I guess her appearance on America's Next Top Model because she's known for her fashion said nothing. Nor must her HP commercial. Besides, Angelina nor Barbra have been guests on project runway either. I guess they don't have distinctive style either.

With Heidi Klum's husband Seal being such a big tennis fan, you think it would have happened already if Serena had such a distinctive style? :lol: What is you're obsession with project runway? That one show is not the be all end all of the entire fashion world. And furthermore they'll let any celebrity be a guest on that show. It's called ratings.



By the way, Project Runway is big with "the gays" as Kathy Griffin affectionately calls them/us.
So, Xena was my favorite show and it had a huge lesbian following. Does that make me a lesbian for watching it?

dreamgoddess099
Sep 19th, 2008, 06:26 AM
Xena she isn't
a gay icon she can't become
cause of those massive hooters
and that monstrous bum!

Of course not, those Gays just hate rear ends. And breasts, please.:rolleyes: Such things are way to reminiscent of feminine traits. The last thing a female gay icon needs is to look or be feminine.