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Cp6uja
Sep 15th, 2008, 02:25 PM
Nothing, i mean realy nothing from Ana's past not announce this bizzare x-files story, and also maybe in some other sports we have some similar strange cases... but never in tennis history.

Like i already notice, nothing in Ana early career have with this, actualy in that period seems that she will be one of WTA most brutal executioners against weak opponents - she turned PRO in August of 2003 and for example in next two Years (till August 2005) she played 100+ singles matches and only once lose against player which is worse ranked than she is (#36 Dinara Safina beat her in Berlin/05). She improve every season so after big improvments in 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006 she is finaly ready for last step to become elite WTA player with newest 2007 improvment, and that breakthrough realy happen last season which she played and finiched like TOP5 and big improvment still continue this season when she finaly reach #1 and first slam title. But subject of this thread is not to show her results and achivments BEFORE and SINCE 2007 - this is only about Ana Ivanovic h2h stats in WTA tournaments against players which reach Main Draw like Qualifiers when Ana is still upcoming youngstar and especialy after, when she becomes real WTA star (since 2007).

Before 2007 Ana Ivanovic NEVER LOSE MATCH AGAINST QUALIFIER which is not so big surprise b/c mostly of that time she played like officialy TOP20 and several years in the row to be unbeaten against qualifiers is actualy not such big achivment, but its important for this story to see what happen after with Ana.

ANA IVANOVIC vs QUALIFIERS (before 2007):
Won 7-5 6-7 7-6 vs (#29)GOLOVIN (ZURICH-2004)
Won 6-2 6-1 vs (#146)NEMECKOVA (CANBERRA-2005)
Won 5-7 6-3 6-4 vs (#126)DOMINIKOVIC (CANBERRA-2005)
Won 6-3 7-5 vs (#104)GRANVILLE (MIAMI-2005)
Won 6-2 7-6 vs (#66)GARBIN (TORONTO-2005)
Won 6-3 6-1 vs (#43)SREBOTNIK (ZURICH-2005)
Won 6-3 5-7 6-3 vs (#95)A.BONDARENKO (MIAMI-2006)
Won 6-3 6-2 vs (#55)FRAZIER (SAN DIEGO-2006)
Won 6-2 6-2 vs (#66)RADWANSKA (LINZ-2006)
Won 6-3 6-7 6-3 vs (#244)KERBER (HASSELT-2006)

So when player with such cruel stats vs qualifiers make neht step and after breakthrough start to torture even TOP10 players all the way, people logicaly expect that she will probably never drop even set against Qualifiers, but look whats happen:
http://www.sciencesurvivalblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/elephant_mouse.jpg

ANA IVANOVIC vs QUALIFIERS (since 2007):
Won 7-6 6-1 vs (#85)VINCI (GOLD COAST-2007)
Lose 7-5 6-4 vs (#84)SHVEDOVA (MIAMI-2007)
Won 6-2 6-0 vs (#122)OLARU (FRENCH OPEN-2007)
Won 6-4 6-2 vs (#91)HARKLEROAD (LOS ANGELES-2007)
Lose 6-3 6-1 vs (#169)YAN (TORONTO-2007)
Lose 6-2 1-6 6-3 vs (#46)K.BONDARENKO (STUTTGART-2007)
Lose 6-4 5-7 6-2 vs (#64)PIRONKOVA (ROME-2008)
Lose 6-3 4-6 6-4 vs (#188)COIN (US OPEN-2008)

She won just 3 of her 8 matches against qualifiers since 2007 and when she become finaly worlds TOP5 player during 2nd half of 2007 her stats becomes even worse so she is in 13 months losing strike (0-4 since August 2007) vs Qualifiers!!!

Same this Twilght Zone trends we will notice when we compare Ana Ivanovic BEFORE and SINCE 2007 h2h stats against players which is out of TOP100 and compare them with for example her h2h records against others elite WTA TOP10 Players. Before 2007 Ana never lose Main Draw match at some WTA tournament against some player out of TOP100 (and she played more than 20 MD matches against non-TOP100 before 2007), but since 2007 she already lose 3 matches against non-TOP100 opponents and also couple others very bad loses in same period like against #84 and #94 ranked player.


WTA Main Draws vs. TOP10 vs. non-TOP100 vs. Qualifiers
BEFORE 2007 5-14 (26.3%) 21-0 (100%) 10-0 (100%)
SINCE 2007 19-9 (67.9%) 7-3 (70.0%) 3-5 (37.5%)



Any comment? (but please dont even try to find some logical explanation about this)



EDIT:
Thanks to pointless bump of this thread during September of 2010 I'm in position to update this thread:
WON 6-1 6-4 vs (#57)KVITOVA (ZURICH-2008)
WON 6-7 7-5 6-1 vs (#82)VINCI (BRISBANE-2009)
WON 6-3 6-2 vs (#169)BRIANTI (AO-2009)
WON 6-2 7-6 vs (#104)PIN (DUBAI-2009)
WON 6-4 6-3 vs (#95)YAKIMOVA (INDIAN WELLS-2009)
WON 6-0 6-3 vs (#104)KORYTTSEVA (MIAMI-2009)
WON 2-6 6-1 6-1 vs (#64)OUDIN (CINCINNATI-2009)
WON 2-6 6-3 6-2 vs (#47)RYBARIKOVA (TORONTO-2009)
LOSE 3-6 7-5 6-3 vs (#46)SAFAROVA (TORONTO-2009)
WON 6-2 6-3 vs (#107)PERRY (AO-2010)
WON 6-4 6-3 (#106)PARMENTIER (MIAMI-2010)
WON 6-1 6-3 (#114)AMANMURADOVA (CINCINNATI-2010)

This is really very interesting phenom/paradox about Ana Ivanovic against qualifirs. Between March/2007 and August/2008 she lose 5 out of 7 matches against qualifiers :eek::eek::eek: despite that is by far best period of her career so far when she reach WTA#1, 3GS finals (with one GS title), several others big titles and 16-7 W/L vs TOP10 opponents! Before that Mar07-Aug08 period Ana is WTA out of TOP10 upcoming youngster and has perfect 11-0 W/L record vs qualifiers, and after hers golden Mar07-Aug08 period, when she become player in-slump, hers W/L against Q-opponents is almost perfect 11-1! So Ana has at her peak 2-5 W/L vs qualifiers and 22-1 in rest of her career. If she comeback again in future into TOP10/TOP5 it will be very interesting to see will she starts again to extremely underperform in matches where facing qualifiers - will her mind be already "in next round", or she will be brutal and cruel against qualifiers like in rest of her career???

ViennaCalling
Sep 15th, 2008, 03:16 PM
She was the queen of the MICES, but only until ELEPHANT Ana had to play against MAMMOTH Shvedova :eek: :haha:

Mightymirza
Sep 15th, 2008, 03:31 PM
:lol: qualifiers r always tricky ;)

Slutati
Sep 15th, 2008, 03:46 PM
OMG she's GOAT :bowdown::bowdown:

Serval
Sep 15th, 2008, 03:47 PM
Quality thread title :lol:

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 15th, 2008, 03:49 PM
I guess Ana will be rooting very hard for Petrova to beat Rezai. :shrug:

LudwigDvorak
Sep 15th, 2008, 03:49 PM
Better stat: the loss to Coin was only her second defeat in three sets at a grand slam.

Kworb
Sep 15th, 2008, 03:50 PM
Clearly Ana Ivanovic has passed her peak and will never win another grand slam.

:worship::worship::worship:

^bibi^
Sep 15th, 2008, 04:02 PM
Yaroslava :hearts: she was the first, she opened a way :lol:

Cp6uja
Sep 15th, 2008, 06:25 PM
Better stat: the loss to Coin was only her second defeat in three sets at a grand slam.Ana played so far at Grand Slams three-setters against #34, #3, #24, #72, #17, #78, #59, #23, #3, #9, #10, #9, #3, #97, #57, #188 ... so guess which is rank of only two players which beat Ivanovic in three-setters at slams??? #72 and #188 :tape: :tape: :tape:

For me is actualy here more interesting question how on earth Ana managed to beat that #97 ranked mice player at slam in three :devil: ... and answer is - she save 2MP's in 2nd set before wins 10-8 in 3rd :tape:

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 15th, 2008, 06:58 PM
Ana played so far at Grand Slams three-setters against #34, #3, #24, #72, #17, #78, #59, #23, #3, #9, #10, #9, #3, #97, #57, #188 ... so guess which is rank of only two players which beat Ivanovic in three-setters at slams??? #72 and #188 :tape: :tape: :tape:

For me is actualy here more interesting question how on earth Ana managed to beat that #97 ranked mice player at slam in three :devil: ... and answer is - she save 2MP's in 2nd set before wins 10-8 in 3rd :tape:

:haha:

Destiny
Sep 15th, 2008, 07:00 PM
:devil:

MarieC
Sep 15th, 2008, 07:11 PM
So I guess she won't want to be playing any qualifiers then

hankqq
Sep 15th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Cp6uja, shame on you for comparing Ana to an elephant :rolleyes: :o

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 15th, 2008, 07:20 PM
Cp6uja, I always respect people who are able to be self deprecating about their favourites. :hug:

Ana, will be fine. But it is odd that as she gets better and better she has more and more big upsets. Next year she will probably win two Slams and in the other two lose to players ranked outside the top 200 in the 1st round. :lol:

Nikkiri
Sep 15th, 2008, 07:20 PM
Cp6uja, shame on you for comparing Ana to an elephant :rolleyes: :o

Have you never heard the nickname baby elephant. :sobbing:

hankqq
Sep 15th, 2008, 07:38 PM
Have you never heard the nickname baby elephant. :sobbing:

:speakles:

LCS
Sep 15th, 2008, 09:23 PM
It's amaze how people find time to do this!

But :worship: the progresses Ana made against top tenners.

Brena
Sep 15th, 2008, 09:30 PM
Have you never heard the nickname baby elephant. :sobbing:

For heaven's sake, Ana doesn't need any haters with you guys... :rolls: (I opened the thread to see why on earth is Србија calling Ana an elephant)

serenus_2k8
Sep 15th, 2008, 09:33 PM
Ana is a mess. I hope for her sake she isnt like an elephant, because she really has some performances she better forget.

Vamos.
Sep 15th, 2008, 09:35 PM
How on earth do you have the time, or more importantly the patience, to compile so many stats?

I have to give you credit. :yeah:

Normally I think the results you pile are pretty interesting but not this time. :shrug: I am pretty sure Ana will crush the mouse.

HenryMag.
Sep 15th, 2008, 09:42 PM
this is probably one of the most interesting stats ever...

another weird thing is that she won the 2nd set in the last 3 matches, which was probably a sign that she was turning the matches to her side, but she eventually lost them.

serenus_2k8
Sep 15th, 2008, 09:46 PM
this is probably one of the most interesting stats ever...

another weird thing is that she won the 2nd set in the last 3 matches, which was probably a sign that she was turning the matches to her side, but she eventually lost them.

:lol: So what?

Orbis
Sep 15th, 2008, 10:08 PM
I knew all those freak losses would add up to some strange stats. I can't believe the last top player to beat her was Dementieva in Berlin. She really should have won the other matches.

Cp6uja
Sep 17th, 2008, 04:59 AM
Thanks to Nadia Petrova (which just now beat Q-Rezai) Ana's Tokyo draw is Qualifiers-Free :woohoo:

She must use this perfect cakewalk draw (only 1 TOP20 and 3 TOP10 opponents for title, so no Evil Qualifiers or dangerous non-TOP100 players) :rocker2: :bounce:

SOA_MC
Sep 17th, 2008, 05:10 AM
Thanks to Nadia Petrova (which just now beat Q-Rezai) Ana's Tokyo draw is Qualifiers-Free :woohoo:

She must use this perfect cakewalk draw (only 1 TOP20 and 3 TOP10 opponents for title, so no Evil Qualifiers or dangerous non-TOP100 players) :rocker2: :bounce:

:secret: Kanepi is a qualifier

Cp6uja
Sep 17th, 2008, 05:45 AM
:secret: Kanepi is a qualifierThis Ana problem which she have against Qualifiers since 2007 is unique case for elite players... so it's hard to belive that for example Dinara Safina (Kanepi is in her quarter) will choke that match. I check now, Dinara vs qualifiers since 2007 h2h is 12-2 (much better than Ivanovic 3-5). So Ana draw is realy now "qualifier-free" and she must use that golden opportunity :devil:

DragonFlame
Sep 17th, 2008, 07:37 AM
So, if ana is an elephant.. What are serena,venus,justine?

Dinosaurs? T-rex'es? :lol:

Cp6uja
Oct 15th, 2008, 03:40 PM
2nd Round:
Ana Ivanovic (2) vs Marion Bartoli
Petra Kvitova (Q) vs Sofia Arvidsson (Q)
Qualifiers alert for Zurich eventual Quarterfinal :tape: :help: :scared: :bolt:

(if Ana beat Bartoli in 2nd Round)

HenryMag.
Oct 15th, 2008, 08:11 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if she loses to any of them. Petra already took her to 3 sets this year and Sofia almost won a set in RG...but first, she needs to beat Marion.

дalex
Oct 15th, 2008, 10:43 PM
:rolls:

Cp6uja
Oct 16th, 2008, 07:41 PM
In Zurich Quarterfinal Ana will playing tommorow against CZE talented Petra Kvitova which is only qualifier which is still in main draw.

ANA IVANOVIC vs QUALIFIERS (since AUGUST 2007):
Lose 6-3 6-1 vs (#169)YAN (TORONTO-2007)
Lose 6-2 1-6 6-3 vs (#46)K.BONDARENKO (STUTTGART-2007)
Lose 6-4 5-7 6-2 vs (#64)PIRONKOVA (ROME-2008)
Lose 6-3 4-6 6-4 vs (#188)COIN (US OPEN-2008)

Why is Ana so nice and kind-hearted when playing against low-ranked players from qualies and why Qualifiers is so evil and without respect for such great champion and person which Ana is??? :confused:

Will this 15 months long Ana's weirdest nightmare ended tommorow (against Kvitova)... what you thinking guys?

LudwigDvorak
Oct 16th, 2008, 08:09 PM
Elena Dementieva is 34-6 against qualifiers since 2003, two of the losses to Safina and Sharapova. GOAT! :worship:

Cp6uja
Oct 16th, 2008, 09:42 PM
Elena Dementieva is 34-6 against qualifiers since 2003, two of the losses to Safina and Sharapova. GOAT! :worship:34-6 is actualy mediocre h2h stats (not impressive at all) AGAINST QUALIFIERS. Before Miami/07 match against Shvedova Ana have 11-0 perfect career score. For example, since march of 2003 (when she is over 150 ranked 15 year old kid) Maria Sharapova have 30-0 record against qualifiers... etc... We talking here about MICES QUALIFIERS for Christ sake. Like i notice in OP this Ivanovic h2h(vs Qual) stats since 2007 when she become elite WTA player is irational and paranormal and from some future X-Files episode...

The Daviator
Oct 16th, 2008, 09:52 PM
34-6 is actualy mediocre h2h stats (not impressive at all) AGAINST QUALIFIERS. Before Miami/07 match against Shvedova Ana have 11-0 perfect career score. For example, since march of 2003 (when she is over 150 ranked 15 year old kid) Maria Sharapova have 30-0 record against qualifiers... etc... We talking here about MICES QUALIFIERS for Christ sake. Like i notice in OP this Ivanovic h2h(vs Qual) stats since 2007 when she become elite WTA player is irational and paranormal and from some future X-Files episode...

:rolls:

Good luck Ana the Elephant :hug:

Cp6uja
Oct 17th, 2008, 09:28 PM
Ana finaly broke this bizzare Qualifier Curse against talented Kvitova :worship: More than year she not beat any Qualifier (lose 4 matches in the row) and we talking about period when beauty reach #1 in the world and two slam finals (including one GS title) :lol::lol::lol:!

For example Maria, Lindsay, Justine and Kim since march of 2003 won all theirs matches against qualifiers (together it's more than 100 matches :eek::eek::eek:) except one when Kim lose against Vakulenko... and just couple hours later decide to retire from tennis :tape::tape::tape:

So like i say in opening post... dont even try to find some logical explanation for this 2007-08 Ana phenom. This is just another proof that Ana:angel: at 20 is already unique phenom in WTA history, which include also some "dark sides" (like this "qualifier" episode). I hope this thread will not be bumped in next couple years :tape:.

LindsayRulz
Oct 17th, 2008, 09:33 PM
Ana finaly broke this bizzare Qualifier Curse against talented Kvitova :worship: More than year she not beat any Qualifier (lose 4 matches in the row) and we talking about period when beauty reach #1 in the world and two slam finals (including one GS title) :lol::lol::lol:!

For example Maria, Lindsay, Justine and Kim since march of 2003 won all theirs matches against qualifiers (together it's more than 100 matches :eek::eek::eek:) except one when Kim lose against Vakulenko... and just couple hours later decide to retire from tennis :tape::tape::tape:

So like i say in opening post... dont even try to find some logical explanation for this 2007-08 Ana phenom. This is just another proof that Ana:angel: at 20 is already unique phenom in WTA history, which include also some "dark sides" (like this "qualifier" episode). I hope this thread will not be bumped in next couple years :tape:.

:spit:

The wedding wasn't the real reason of her retirement after all :lol:

ivanban
Oct 17th, 2008, 10:15 PM
I guess today elephant accidentally stomped on mice

schorsch
Oct 17th, 2008, 10:29 PM
http://www.utebreuer.de/Animationen/elefant.gif ball toss was much better again today you know.

Orbis
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:10 AM
http://www.utebreuer.de/Animationen/elefant.gif ball toss was much better again today you know.

:lol:

LudwigDvorak
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:41 AM
34-6 is actualy mediocre h2h stats (not impressive at all) AGAINST QUALIFIERS. Before Miami/07 match against Shvedova Ana have 11-0 perfect career score. For example, since march of 2003 (when she is over 150 ranked 15 year old kid) Maria Sharapova have 30-0 record against qualifiers... etc... We talking here about MICES QUALIFIERS for Christ sake. Like i notice in OP this Ivanovic h2h(vs Qual) stats since 2007 when she become elite WTA player is irational and paranormal and from some future X-Files episode...

But four of the losses were to Safina (retirement), Sharapova (GOAT), Radwanska (now top ten), and Srebotnik. Schwartz (at AO, worst tournament, always struggles against Austrians, wasted set lead) and Arvidsson (taken #1 Jankovic, eventual GOAT, to three sets both times played this year) were the only two flukes. Certainly not Coin, Shvedova, and Zi.

Not too shabby IMO. :)

RenaSlam.
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:54 AM
:wavey: Mice

Cp6uja
Jan 7th, 2009, 10:52 AM
http://www.sciencesurvivalblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/elephant_mouse.jpg

ANA IVANOVIC vs QUALIFIERS (since 2007):
Won 7-6 6-1 vs (#85)VINCI (GOLD COAST-2007)
Lose 7-5 6-4 vs (#84)SHVEDOVA (MIAMI-2007)
Won 6-2 6-0 vs (#122)OLARU (FRENCH OPEN-2007)
Won 6-4 6-2 vs (#91)HARKLEROAD (LOS ANGELES-2007)
Lose 6-3 6-1 vs (#169)YAN (TORONTO-2007)
Lose 6-2 1-6 6-3 vs (#46)K.BONDARENKO (STUTTGART-2007)
Lose 6-4 5-7 6-2 vs (#64)PIRONKOVA (ROME-2008)
Lose 6-3 4-6 6-4 vs (#188)COIN (US OPEN-2008)
...

LATEST UPDATES:
Won 6-1 6-4 vs (#57)KVITOVA (ZURICH-2008)
Won 6-7 7-5 6-1 vs (#82)VINCI (BRISBANE-2009)
Now it's two matches in the row winning strike :rocker2: :worship: :bounce: :woohoo:

Cp6uja
Jan 20th, 2009, 09:13 PM
Qualifier Alert !!! :scared: :scared: :help: :help:

Australian Open 2009, 2nd Round Match:
(5)Ana Ivanovic vs (Q)Alberta Brianti


But Ana is in 2-matches winning strike right now (vs qualifiers) :rocker2:

Volcana
Jan 20th, 2009, 09:23 PM
I concede her legs are large, but I wouldn't call her an elephant.

RR-87
Jan 20th, 2009, 09:52 PM
:spit: :haha:

DragonFlame
Jan 20th, 2009, 10:00 PM
http://www.utebreuer.de/Animationen/elefant.gif ball toss was much better again today you know.

OMFG :haha: :haha: :haha:


LMAO, i love this thread. Nice that you bumped it. :lol:

doujyr
Jan 20th, 2009, 10:23 PM
Wonderful thread! :lol:

AnomyBC
Jan 21st, 2009, 12:24 AM
Ana's up 6-3, 3-0.... I think she's gonna win this one :bounce:

TeamCaro
Jan 21st, 2009, 12:37 AM
I've only started watching her match from the 2nd set and it seems more like her opponent being horrendously bad rather than Ana improving much. The ball toss is still awful.

Horizon
Jan 21st, 2009, 12:40 AM
I've only started watching her match from the 2nd set and it seems more like her opponent being horrendously bad rather than Ana improving much. The ball toss is still awful.
The serve is still iffy, but she's definetely improved.

For the first set, the FH was on and dominating.

AnomyBC
Jan 21st, 2009, 12:49 AM
She won :bounce:

DragonFlame
Jan 21st, 2009, 12:54 AM
For the first set, the FH was on and dominating.

Unfortunatly the only reason that is is because brianti is playing right into ana´s forehand and her strong points. Brianti has no court awareness whatsoever and with that no good court coverage as well. She shouldn´t be near grandslamlevel at all. And before i looked up her ranking i thought that woman could no way be top 100. And thank god she isn´t, she´s no where near wta level and should stick to itf tournaments.

Can´t believe she beat debrito and king though. :confused: What the hell happened there. Or is she just absolutely sucking in this match?

Anyway, this is match was boring as hell. Ana has way more improvement to do if she wants to go past the 4th round. Credit to her effort in this match though.

cellophane
Sep 23rd, 2010, 12:58 PM
What looney bin have they released you from?

Ballbasher
Sep 23rd, 2010, 01:17 PM
Ana has a 8 match winning streak against Q since this thread was opened. :rolls:

DefyingGravity
Sep 23rd, 2010, 04:36 PM
You know, qualifiers are always dangerous and maybe she just underestimates them. It's hard because there really is a terrifying pattern, lol.