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spriwi
Sep 14th, 2008, 09:39 AM
to start with: Tokyo

Jankovic (1) bye
Pennetta - Peer
Morita - Szavay
Li - Kuznetsova (5)
Dementieva (3) bye
Cornet - Q
Wozniacki - Q
Schiavone - Hantuchova (7)
Chakvetadze (8) - Q
Razzano - Sugiyama
Cibulkova - Mauresmo
Safina (4) bye
Radwanska (6) - Nakamura
Kirilenko - Bartoli
Q - Petrova
Ivanovic (2) bye

spriwi
Sep 14th, 2008, 09:40 AM
seems to be a nice draw (for such a big tournament), i think she can make it to the semis provided ana continues her slump :angel:

meb
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:24 AM
Yes. Quite good draw, but Ana is the most unpredictable player from top 4 seeds now.
Possible match against Bartoli probably will be tough too.
Good luck Agnieszka!

Agata.
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:39 AM
The first round seems to be not very thought, but Nakamura is playing in her own country, so you never know. The second Bartoli/Kirilenko, Maria doesn't seem to be in form, Marion is playing good, the 2nd round could give some problems (well, it's TierI tourney ;)). Ana is unpredictable, she can play really amazing here or easily lose to Petrova :shrug:

well, this draw *seems* to be good, it could have been far worse :shrug:

olivero
Sep 14th, 2008, 11:30 AM
I think it's a good draw. Bartoli/Kirilenko - beatable, Ivanovic/Petrova as well
Aga can go deep here.
What's more Sveta can lose in the 1st round (and Aga can catch up in Race rank).

Good luck!!!

papru
Sep 14th, 2008, 11:38 AM
yay Go ARad and JJ, meet in the final!!

Vefci Y
Sep 14th, 2008, 11:54 AM
Will Aga go to Bejing?

olivero
Sep 14th, 2008, 11:59 AM
Will Aga go to Bejing?

China Open is in her schedule

Agata.
Sep 14th, 2008, 12:25 PM
yay Go ARad and JJ, meet in the final!!

:yeah: I like this idea

Malva
Sep 14th, 2008, 01:10 PM
The draw is so strong, every quarter has tough competitors. Ivanović is big unknown at the moment. Obviously, she must have additional motivation to erase bad impression of her recent loss at Flushing Meadows. Agnieszka may have a chance to take revenge for her previous encounter. If she plays according to her high standard, she is likely to meet Safina in the Semi-Final. I wonder how she will do against her.

AndreConrad
Sep 14th, 2008, 03:22 PM
Very tough draw, but there is no easy place in this one.

justine schnyder
Sep 14th, 2008, 03:24 PM
:yeah: I like this idea

I like it too, but in this kind of tourny, with this draw, I think we should take it match by match.

As for Aga, very tough draw. 1st round she should win against Nakmura. if she passes it so the ooponent in the 2nd round will be very tough, both Kirilenko and Bartoli can beat her, and if she passes it, so Ivanovic..
I know Ana is very unpredictable these days, but she is in the top 3 for a reason, and has the tools to blow Aga off the court, and once again, Aga's serve may be a little problem..
Anyway, Dawaj Aga!!!

Agata.
Sep 15th, 2008, 08:38 AM
wc-DATE KRUMM, Kimiko (JPN)/FUJIWARA, Rika (JPN) vs wc-CHAKVETADZE, Anna (RUS)/RADWANSKA, Agnieszka (POL)
DUSHEVINA, Vera (RUS)/UHLIROVA, Vladimira (CZE) vs 3-DELLACQUA, Casey (AUS)/SCHIAVONE, Francesca (ITA)


I don't think Aga should play doubles :(

meb
Sep 15th, 2008, 08:57 AM
wc-CHAKVETADZE, Anna (RUS)/RADWANSKA, Agnieszka (POL)

Interesting...

I don't think Aga should play doubles :(

And she plans to play 4-5 weeks in a row. :tape:

Agata.
Sep 15th, 2008, 09:07 AM
And she plans to play 4-5 weeks in a row. :tape:

I think that 6 :lol:


Edit:
Tuesday, 16th September

Center Court
(starting at 11 AM)

1.Agnieszka Radwańska vs. Aiko Nakamura

Malva
Sep 15th, 2008, 09:20 AM
Isia playing doubles with Chakvetadze !?

spriwi
Sep 15th, 2008, 12:32 PM
:spit: playing doubles with chaq

Iceland
Sep 15th, 2008, 12:43 PM
This is really a cruel draw! Aga in the same section as Marion & Ana! :( This is really tough, at least the first round should be a piece of cake. Perfect match to get used to the conditions and so on. :D The last part of the season is always exciting anyway with all those players competing for a YEC entry, time for Aga to play and challenge the best!

I hope that the one who will get through this quarter will take the title!
Good luck. :yeah:

It better be the last time she plays in doubles with Chak. :smash: Seriously what an idea :spit:!

AndreConrad
Sep 15th, 2008, 12:52 PM
I agree that the draw is tough, but it is time for Agnieszka to step up soon... if it is not now then at least this is great preparation for it.

In all seriousness why so many people are negative towards Anna? I know she is not having a great season, but there is planty of players that have season even worse and don't experience that much negativity. What am I missing?

Endru.
Sep 15th, 2008, 07:26 PM
quick vote for Aga - http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=356886&page=2

justine schnyder
Sep 15th, 2008, 07:39 PM
I agree that the draw is tough, but it is time for Agnieszka to step up soon... if it is not now then at least this is great preparation for it.

In all seriousness why so many people are negative towards Anna? I know she is not having a great season, but there is planty of players that have season even worse and don't experience that much negativity. What am I missing?

The thing about Anna is that she's not a glamour player, not a ball basher, and many has considered her as a boring player and said the last summer (ehrn she won plenty matches in the USO series) was a fluke, and now, they all happy to see her slumping.
plus, not many like her becuase of her oncourt attitude, which is pretty negative.
The thing abuot Chakky, I'm not a fan, but I don't like watching her this year. Last year she was nice girl to watch, smart tennis, but this year, so far, she has played with no confidence, very bad shot selections, trying to finish points way too early, which is not her game, and that's why most of her matches are low quality, and that's another reason for people here not to like her.

I don't like her, but I don't hate her as well.

Strange to see Aga playing doubles with her though :eek: GL!
And Aga plays tommorow, 1st match on cenre court. Dawaj!!!

Malva
Sep 15th, 2008, 08:04 PM
quick vote for Aga - http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=356886&page=2

4 more votes needed FAST!

Malva
Sep 15th, 2008, 08:39 PM
4 more votes needed FAST!

Thanks guys! Terrific!

That was a swift rescue operation! When bhebhe was casting his vote, Isia was trailing 1:5 in the Final set. The situation seemed hopeless.

As we all know, Agnieszka never gives up, so do we, her supporters. As a result, she won 7:6 (Niunia's vote was decisive, while Irute just nailed it).

spriwi
Sep 16th, 2008, 06:17 AM
(6) Agnieszka Radwanska (POL) d. (WC) Aiko Nakamura (JPN) 61 64

:yeah:

bartoli next (she beat kirilenko 6-2 6-2)

Iceland
Sep 16th, 2008, 07:07 AM
God where this match is on the SB? :lol: Aga was too quick for them? ^^
Shame that we can't have the stats but anyway it's a very convincing win. No time wasted so that's perfect! :yeah:

Well ... I'm happy to see that Marion and Aga won their matches, now I have again this cruel dilemma! I can't be disappointed with any loss, both are having a good season now (sth that wasn't true for Marion at Eastbourne). It will be an interesting round, Marion always plays her best tennis on fast hard court, punishing every weak shot. Kirilenko doesn't have Aga's abilities, so you see the result ... On the other side, Aga has way more weapons in her bag, she can be aggressive thanks to a great accuracy, Marion won't be the only one trying to dictate.

This match can really go either way. Marion better be ready to move and Aga cannot allow herself to be passive!
Good luck. ;)

olivero
Sep 16th, 2008, 07:40 AM
Congrats for the win.

Yeah Marion will be tough, specially after the score agains Kirilenko.
I still think Aga should win this. Fingers crossed.

meb
Sep 16th, 2008, 08:11 AM
:)

Good luck vs. Marion

Dinayer
Sep 16th, 2008, 09:36 AM
well done Aga :D

beat Marion :cool:

AndreConrad
Sep 16th, 2008, 10:40 AM
I was watching the progress of the match on the scoreboard unitl 6:1 5:3 (0:15) when the match stopped for some reason for over 30 minutes and I decided to go to bed, it was 11:30 PM here in the US and I had to get up early. It was weird because other matches were progressing on the scoreboard, so I don't know if there was some interruption in the match for any reason.

It is difficult to say from just watching the scoreboard, but I was worried a little. Agnieszka took a lead to 5:0 easily (I believe in less than 20 minutes) then Aiko won her serve to 5:1. The last game of the first set wasn't won easily, I think there was couple of deuces, but won nevertheless. Well, then Aiko won her first game of the second set 0:1, broke Agnieszka to 0:2 and Agnieszka broke her immediately back (but not easily) to 1:2. After the break Agnieszka seemed to struggle through a few deuce/Adv situations but won next two games to 3:2. The rest of the meatch seemed exactly the same way, with the diffference that Aiko and Agnieszka won their own serves, but Agnieszka's serves did not seem easy; always a couple of dueuces and even break point opportunities for Aiko.

I am happy with the win :yeah:... I am not sure of Agnieszka's level of the game, hope all is well. The match against Marion will tell :)

Agata.
Sep 16th, 2008, 11:04 AM
Aga :yeah:

It will be tough against Marion. But Aga can (and should ;)) win this match.

Malva
Sep 16th, 2008, 01:35 PM
It is difficult to say from just watching the scoreboard, but I was worried a little. Agnieszka took a lead to 5:0 easily (I believe in less than 20 minutes) then Aiko won her serve to 5:1. The last game of the first set wasn't won easily, I think there was couple of deuces, but won nevertheless. Well, then Aiko won her first game of the second set 0:1, broke Agnieszka to 0:2 and Agnieszka broke her immediately back (but not easily) to 1:2. After the break Agnieszka seemed to struggle through a few deuce/Adv situations but won next two games to 3:2. The rest of the meatch seemed exactly the same way, with the diffference that Aiko and Agnieszka won their own serves, but Agnieszka's serves did not seem easy; always a couple of dueuces and even break point opportunities for Aiko.

I am happy with the win :yeah:... I am not sure of Agnieszka's level of the game, hope all is well. The match against Marion will tell :)

What you are describing follows the familiar pattern: if Isia wins the first set easily, almost inevitably she relaxes in the second. If her opponent at the same time throws everything to salvage the match, the difficulties for Agnieszka follow. I suppose, Isia was doing in the second set just enough not to let Nakamura to ride away.

Thus I wouldn't be very concerned.

justine schnyder
Sep 16th, 2008, 05:15 PM
Good job Aga!!!
Bartoli on the other hand will be very tough.. she's in great shape now and Aga must play really well, and ofcourse, serve well otherwise she doesn't have a chance against agressive players from the top.
Dawaj aga! :)

spriwi
Sep 16th, 2008, 07:27 PM
tomorrow only doubles:

Centre Court (from 11.00hrs)
1. Wozniacki vs. Srebotnik
2. Rezai vs. Petrova
3. Razzano vs. Sugiyama
4. Li vs. Kuznetsova
5. Date-Krumm/Fujiwara vs. Chakvetadze/Radwanska
6. Cibulkova vs. Safina (NB 17.00hrs)

hope they lose :ras: ;)

meb
Sep 17th, 2008, 10:10 AM
Aga and Anna won 6-3 3-6 10-8 in 75 mins.

Malva
Sep 17th, 2008, 10:23 AM
Aga and Anna won 6-3 3-6 10-8 in 75 mins.

Despite being a three-setter not a very long match. mercifully. Extremely close judging from the scoreline.

Endru.
Sep 17th, 2008, 11:12 AM
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Dinayer
Sep 17th, 2008, 11:36 AM
Aga and Anna won 6-3 3-6 10-8 in 75 mins.

:)

Endru.
Sep 17th, 2008, 01:32 PM
guys, vote again - http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=14077545#post14077545

Agata.
Sep 17th, 2008, 01:55 PM
Thursday, September 18, 2008

Centre Court (from 11.00hrs)
1. Dementieva vs. Cornet
2. Radwanska vs. Bartoli
3. Jankovic vs. Pennetta
4. Morita vs. Kuznetsova
5. Petrova vs. Ivanovic (n.b 17.00hrs)

Malva
Sep 17th, 2008, 02:59 PM
guys, vote again - http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=14077545#post14077545

Voted! We need 4 more votes!

justine schnyder
Sep 17th, 2008, 07:09 PM
Congrats about the doubles win, but tommrorow is more important.. Dawaj Aga!

SOA_MC
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:26 AM
Aga wins 6-2 6-3 in 1h 19m

meb
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:35 AM
Congrats Aga!
She played really solid. I got up late so I watched and recorded only the 2nd set. So if someone is interested it' ll be here later on.

olivero
Sep 18th, 2008, 07:03 AM
:bounce: great win, impressive scoreline.
I wonder who will she face now

Congrats Aga!
She played really solid. I got up late so I watched and recorded only the 2nd set. So if someone is interested it' ll be here later on.

Yes please, I'm interested :)

spriwi
Sep 18th, 2008, 07:45 AM
:eek:

too easy :p

well done :yeah:




i am *really* shocked by the result, maybe aga's form is good enough to get some serious points here :D

papru
Sep 18th, 2008, 07:47 AM
easy :eek: :drool:

Iceland
Sep 18th, 2008, 07:52 AM
Impressive stuff Aga :yeah:. I knew that a beatdown could only come from her side :lol:.

I didn't see the match but she apparently played great tennis. She is always focused against dangerous players anyway, she clearly knew what she had to do. I'm just surprised at her stats on serve, did she serve too well for Marion or did Marion return poorly?
Such a result should help her to qualify to the YEC and once again, Aga performs well in a Tier I. That's really great to see :).

Dawaj Aga, you rock!

papru
Sep 18th, 2008, 08:28 AM
where was the match? evbdy has been watching it :o

papru
Sep 18th, 2008, 08:42 AM
I guess Aga will rather play Nadia again... she leads Ana 61 atm.

papru
Sep 18th, 2008, 09:04 AM
or maybe not... 61 13

spriwi
Sep 18th, 2008, 09:14 AM
rollercoaster match between ana & nadia 6-1 1-6 ...
which can only mean both have very volatile forms atm.
i'd rather aga got a chance to patch up her h2h with ana ;)

anyways the longer they play, the better for aga ;)

Dinayer
Sep 18th, 2008, 09:15 AM
aga :banana:

well done :)

AndreConrad
Sep 18th, 2008, 09:15 AM
Well done Agnieszka :yeah:... I am very happy for you :woohoo:

SOA_MC
Sep 18th, 2008, 09:18 AM
Well I hope she plays Ana:p:angel:

AndreConrad
Sep 18th, 2008, 10:02 AM
Well I hope she plays Ana:p:angel:

Sorry man :(

spriwi
Sep 18th, 2008, 10:09 AM
aga will play against nadia :armed: final score 6-1 1-6 6-2

olivero
Sep 18th, 2008, 10:18 AM
well I hope Aga will win. In two sets. We don't need an Eastbourne thriller repeat.
thrillers would be great for semi- and final ;)


Nadia will be tough to beat. She's (coming) out of her slump but then again Aga is playing really well here. Fingers crossed :)

meb
Sep 18th, 2008, 10:30 AM
Doubles QF will be played tomorrow.

Malva
Sep 18th, 2008, 10:39 AM
Congrats Aga!
She played really solid. I got up late so I watched and recorded only the 2nd set. So if someone is interested it' ll be here later on.

Interested, of course, meb!

spriwi
Sep 18th, 2008, 10:41 AM
Doubles QF will be played tomorrow.

that's good news, she needs to be 100% fit tomorrow to reach the semis in singles :yeah:

SOA_MC
Sep 18th, 2008, 11:45 AM
Sorry man :(

:bigcry::bigcry:

http://www.justin.tv/zura003

But anyway this is the live stream I watched Ana match on and before that Sveta's it's showing Kanepi V Razzano right now I think they'll show Aga's match

AndreConrad
Sep 18th, 2008, 11:56 AM
:bigcry::bigcry:

http://www.justin.tv/zura003

But anyway this is the live stream I watched Ana match on and before that Sveta's it's showing Kanepi V Razzano right now I think they'll show Aga's match

Thanks for the link :)

justine schnyder
Sep 18th, 2008, 12:16 PM
Aga!! WD!! :woohoo: :bigclap: I thought it'd be 3 setter, but I'm glad it wasn't too long, since we have Petrova tommorow, Aga had never had easy time with her.
GL Aga, do your best! :)

Agata.
Sep 18th, 2008, 12:32 PM
Aga :yeah: Not even faced a BP in the 1st set :eek:

I didn't know there was a livestream :o So I was only following live scores :( Could someone post a short report?


tommorow:

Center Court 1st Match 1:00 PM
● Jelena Jankovic
● Svetlana Kuznetsova
     
● Agnieszka Radwanska
● Nadia Petrova
     
● Elena Dementieva
● Katarina Srebotnik or Francesca Schiavone
   
Match Not before 5:00 PM
● Kaia Kanepi or Virginie Razzano
● Dinara Safina
     
Court1
● Vania King
Nadia Petrova
● Yaroslava Shvedova
Tamarine Tanasugarn
     
2nd Match After suitable rest
● Anna Chakvetadze
Agnieszka Radwanska
● Casey Dellacqua
Francesca Schiavone

olivero
Sep 18th, 2008, 01:01 PM
let's vote once again ;)
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=357171

Dinayer
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:46 PM
Good luck tomorrow :D

AndreConrad
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:56 PM
let's vote once again ;)
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=357171

Votes are still needed for 3rd set ;)

justine schnyder
Sep 18th, 2008, 06:53 PM
GL tommorow Aga!!!

wuthering
Sep 19th, 2008, 01:39 AM
You'll do it Aga!

spriwi
Sep 19th, 2008, 07:08 AM
the way aga is anticipating nadia's shots is just outstanding. every time in the right corner :eek:

spriwi
Sep 19th, 2008, 07:17 AM
not good. aga won two points in two service games :help:

spriwi
Sep 19th, 2008, 07:32 AM
3-4 and now essential game. lose serve here = lose the set :scared:

olivero
Sep 19th, 2008, 07:38 AM
3-4 and now essential game. lose serve here = lose the set :scared:
you just jinxed it :o:p

papru
Sep 19th, 2008, 07:41 AM
what a poor play from Aga :o :help: I cant wtach it anymore :help:

olivero
Sep 19th, 2008, 07:42 AM
Aga is making many UEs

spriwi
Sep 19th, 2008, 07:42 AM
lost the game and the set 3-6 :(

and aga was playing really well, hitting couple outstanding winners, but still it wasnt enough. her serve was just killed on and on by nadia. both first and the second.
1st serves won: 7/16
2nd serves won: 2/8

nadia had only one really erratic game serving @ 3-1, but apart from that she was playing really deep and solid all the time.

hope aga can regroup and find a better serve placement in the second, else she has to depend on nadia making errors...

fouc
Sep 19th, 2008, 07:43 AM
i can't remember anyone playing that bad at her serving game as aga today

papru
Sep 19th, 2008, 07:45 AM
I beg to differ spriwi... Aga is making horrendous number of ues...

olivero
Sep 19th, 2008, 07:48 AM
Aga broken in the 2nd set
0-1

olivero
Sep 19th, 2008, 07:52 AM
and Nadia is serving really well

spriwi
Sep 19th, 2008, 07:55 AM
I beg to differ spriwi... Aga is making horrendous number of ues...

i think it's pretty simple how tennis works. when aga's serves are killed she is trying some very difficult shots to counter nadia and therefore she is making many errors. it is caused by nadia's agressive style of play.

people who are talking about horrendous number of UEs don't know how an agressive return works ? :confused:

3-6 0-2 :(

spriwi
Sep 19th, 2008, 07:56 AM
from 30-0 to 30-40 (with a df,too) :o

spriwi
Sep 19th, 2008, 07:58 AM
0-3

i don't wanna jinx, but i guess it is lost now. nadia won't make the same mistake she did during AO underestimating aga...

spriwi
Sep 19th, 2008, 08:04 AM
that's just horrendous. 3-6 0-5

ok, aga is not playing very well atm ;)

olivero
Sep 19th, 2008, 08:05 AM
i think it's pretty simple how tennis works. when aga's serves are killed she is trying some very difficult shots to counter nadia and therefore she is making many errors. it is caused by nadia's agressive style of play.


if that was the only case the match would've been much closer. Nadia is playing well but if Aga played her game she could fight.
And her serve is really poor today.

Nadia 5-0 :o

olivero
Sep 19th, 2008, 08:10 AM
omg

Iceland
Sep 19th, 2008, 08:26 AM
Argh :sad:... Aga loses again on a very one-sided scoreline. She really has to do something with this serve.

Bartek
Sep 19th, 2008, 09:44 AM
I didn't manage to watch the match, and this scoreline... it hurts :sad:

AndreConrad
Sep 19th, 2008, 11:20 AM
Yeah, I did not watch it either. I just woke up to the result. It does hurt, especially the scoreline. Agnieszka is strong, she will get back up and hopefully work on stuff she needs to work on. I see a lot of improvements with the exception of the second serve (which is still bad as I conclude from reading the posts)

Malva
Sep 19th, 2008, 12:24 PM
Can anybody who watched the match provide a matter-of-factly report? No subjective feelings, just bare facts. I would like to know what exactly went wrong.

When I was watching the video of her 2nd Set against Marion I observed a number of new developments in her game. I was impressed, ... and at the same time worried. I decided to keep my impressions, as well as my worries until seeing her performing against Petrova. I am glad I did.

How Agnieszka was playing? Like against Bartoli, except that today she was out of shape? (Her new, aggressive, and having lesser variety and much smaller margin of safety style.) Or was she playing like we got used to.

How did her serving today compare to her serving yesterday? Some details please.

Malva
Sep 19th, 2008, 12:38 PM
Yeah, I did not watch it either. I just woke up to the result. It does hurt, especially the scoreline. Agnieszka is strong, she will get back up and hopefully work on stuff she needs to work on.

I agree: it hurts, and, yes, she is strong, she will take it courageously. My impression is we are witnessing a major phase in her development right now when several things in her game are on the "drawing board", so to speak. I saw clear signs of this in her game against Marion yesterday. Despite a lot of things that I liked, it occurred to me that we may be seeing her game destabilized when she happens to be out of shape, or not focused enough.

What happened today sounds every bit like she wasn't sufficiently focused on the task ahead of her after her very strong performance yesterday, especially that it was hard to shed the confort of knowing that she had beaten Petrova two times in a row this year.

Nadia, on the other hand seems to have approached the match with Isia totally determined to exploit every weakness in her game. And she succeeded, moreover, it seems Agnieszka got derailed in the 2nd Set, something that almost never happens.

AndreConrad
Sep 19th, 2008, 12:47 PM
I agree: it hurts, and, yes, she is strong, she will take it courageously. My impression is we are witnessing a major phase in her development right now when several things in her game are on the "drawing board", so to speak. I saw clear signs of this in her game against Marion yesterday. Despite a lot of things that I liked, it occurred to me that we may be seeing her game destabilized when she happens to be out of shape, or not focused enough.

What happened today sounds every bit like she wasn't sufficiently focused on the task ahead of her after her very strong performance yesterday, especially that it was hard to shed the confort of knowing that she had beaten Petrova two times in a row.

Nadia, on the other hand seems to have approached the match with Isia totally determined to exploit her every weakness. And she succeeded, moreover, it seems Agnieszka got derailed in the 2nd Set, something that almost never happens.

I wish I could see the match. My fear is that as she improves everything with the exception of the one part that needs the most attention; Agnieszka's serve, especially the second one. Just the comments that she made in a few interviews asking the reporter to come and serve and do better than her. Comments from her dad calling her "a woman"; I doubt that he is sexist, perhaps he is having hard time convincing strong willed Agnieszka to work on things he wants her to work on. Hopefully if there were difficulties before the beating Agnieszka received will make her realize that she cannot leave the serve vulnerable.

Malva
Sep 19th, 2008, 01:22 PM
I wish I could see the match. My fear is that as she improves everything with the exception of the one part that needs the most attention; Agnieszka's serve, especially the second one. Just the comments that she made in a few interviews asking the reporter to come and serve and do better than her. Comments from her dad calling her "a woman"; I doubt that he is sexist, perhaps he is having hard time convincing strong willed Agnieszka to work on things he wants her to work on. Hopefully if there were difficulties before the beating Agnieszka received will make her realize that she cannot leave the serve vulnerable.

If Petrova's derailing of Agnieszka was primarily through her merciless exploitation of evry weakness in her serving, then it may bring some good: what else can finally convince her that she is very much beatable. The more girls learn about it the more trouble Agnieszka will be facing in the future.

But I still tend to think that what happened today has as much to do with the following: it has been hard for Agnieszka to string two totally focused performances in a row against Top Top 30 opponents. Her Australian Open may be the only exception I can think of, and that, one needs to rememeber, was in an entirely different set of circumstances when she was a low seed that was easily underestimated first by Petrova, and then by Kuznetsova. But even in Melbourne, after her victory over Kuznetsova came a really disappointingly meek defeat at the hands of Hantuchová who has difficulty moving, and thus Isia had all the weapons to defeat her. What was lacking was concentration, like at the US Open 2007, when she went down to Shahar in a similarly meek way.

I noticed that long ago but wasn't putting too much weight on it, viewing this as a transient phenomenon -- just a sign of her immaturity.

Today I begin worrying about it. She needs to address that. This looks at the moment to be her second major weakness after her attackable serve. Otherwise she will have no chance even to reach the Finals of Tier I and Semi-Finals of slam tournaments.

Agata.
Sep 19th, 2008, 01:43 PM
Too bad :sad:
I really didn't expect that.

Aga really needs to become more consistent. I wish there was a interview with her, I'm curious why did she suddenly played a really bad match today after a great performance yesterday? I mean, what went wrong? :shrug: :hug:


Vote for Aga anyway ;)
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=357284

Agata.
Sep 19th, 2008, 01:44 PM
And what about the doubles match? i can't find a score. Was it played? :confused:

Agata.
Sep 19th, 2008, 03:06 PM
The result has been finally shown:

[3]Dellacqua/Schiavone def. [W]Chakvetadze/Radwańska 6:2 6:4

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 19th, 2008, 03:53 PM
One vote more!

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=14091654&posted=1#post14091654

Agata.
Sep 19th, 2008, 05:00 PM
One vote more!

at least Aga is still rocking in the PYW competition :rocker2:


so I'll have my dream final, too bad that only in PYW game :sad:

justine schnyder
Sep 19th, 2008, 06:02 PM
Ouch :sad: :sad: :sad:
From what I've heard it was Aga's weak day and a strong one from Nadia.
But if an agressive player like Nadia is having a good day, and Aga doesn't put enough 1st serves in, this result ain't shocking.

Better luck next tourny Aga!

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 19th, 2008, 08:12 PM
Hope she will really work on her serve after this season. Serve until death! :devil:

Dinayer
Sep 19th, 2008, 08:14 PM
aga :sad:

Malva
Sep 19th, 2008, 08:28 PM
I can't shed an impression that Agnieszka didn't think Nadia to be such a threat, after she beat her twice even on Nadia's favorite surface, and Nadia since Eastbourne also had her ups and downs. In particular, only here in Tokyo she beat her first Top 10 player since early 2007. Agnieszka became her second victim in a row. Nadia must be commended with her resolution to exploit every single weakness in Agnieszka's game, and her ability to achieve that. I am pretty sure she was extremely determined and focused from the start to the Match point.

It also looks to me that Agnieszka's inability to regroup got to her mentally in the second half of the 2nd set.

And inevitably, Isia was not sufficiently focused after that great performance yesterday. As I wrote above, I am now seeing this inability to string victories against Top 20--Top 30 players as a serious obstacle in her reaching Semi-Finals and Finals of very well attended tournaments, which means Tier I and grand slams. With her high seeding she will be able to consistently reach 4th Rounds and Quarterfinals, and with luck occasionally a Semi-Final of a big tournament. It would be safer to predict her victory in the Final than passing two well playing Top 20 opponents in a row, I am afraid. I am not seeing this however as a lack of consistency on her part. It is entirely the matter of proper focus and full mobilization. She is not such an effortless superstar as Hingis was in the early days of her career, when she was beating everybody left and right, in and out. All the great successes of Agnieszka were always the result of her mobilization, and her ability to deliver the goods when needed. And most of her losses this season, with just a few exceptions were regarded as unexpected let downs, starting from her loss to Larcher de Brito in Miami, or maybe going earlier to her loss to Chakvetadze in Dubai in a close match, but still lost even though Anna was eliminated easily in the next round herself.

I want to have trust in Agnieszka'a ability to overcome the above mentioned handicap. She demonstrated in Tokyo that she is serious about climbing up in the rankings, and certainly to have her position within Top 10 solidly defended -- she is working on her game, no doubt about it. And she makes mistakes -- hopefully she will be learning from them.

spriwi
Sep 20th, 2008, 08:17 AM
any ideas when the beijing draw may be out??

spriwi
Sep 20th, 2008, 08:21 AM
I can't shed an impression that Agnieszka didn't think Nadia to be such a threat, after she beat her twice even on Nadia's favorite surface, and Nadia since Eastbourne also had her ups and downs. In particular, only here in Tokyo she beat her first Top 10 player since early 2007. Agnieszka became her second victim in a row. Nadia must be commended with her resolution to exploit every single weakness in Agnieszka's game, and her ability to achieve that. I am pretty sure she was extremely determined and focused from the start to the Match point.

It also looks to me that Agnieszka's inability to regroup got to her mentally in the second half of the 2nd set.

And inevitably, Isia was not sufficiently focused after that great performance yesterday. As I wrote above, I am now seeing this inability to string victories against Top 20--Top 30 players as a serious obstacle in her reaching Semi-Finals and Finals of very well attended tournaments, which means Tier I and grand slams. With her high seeding she will be able to consistently reach 4th Rounds and Quarterfinals, and with luck occasionally a Semi-Final of a big tournament. It would be safer to predict her victory in the Final than passing two well playing Top 20 opponents in a row, I am afraid. I am not seeing this however as a lack of consistency on her part. It is entirely the matter of proper focus and full mobilization. She is not such an effortless superstar as Hingis was in the early days of her career, when she was beating everybody left and right, in and out. All the great successes of Agnieszka were always the result of her mobilization, and her ability to deliver the goods when needed. And most of her losses this season, with just a few exceptions were regarded as unexpected let downs, starting from her loss to Larcher de Brito in Miami, or maybe going earlier to her loss to Chakvetadze in Dubai in a close match, but still lost even though Anna was eliminated easily in the next round herself.

I want to have trust in Agnieszka'a ability to overcome the above mentioned handicap. She demonstrated in Tokyo that she is serious about climbing up in the rankings, and certainly to have her position within Top 10 solidly defended -- she is working on her game, no doubt about it. And she makes mistakes -- hopefully she will be learning from them.


she won't climb in the ranking with this serve. she reached her maximum for now and she won't reach the very top without a decent second serve.

2nd serve improvement >>> mental adjustments
(i think isia is one of the taughest players on tour when it comes to mentality and i don't think it can get much better. only nadal is more motivated ;) )

Vefci Y
Sep 20th, 2008, 11:10 AM
Play with Zheng in Beijing,take it!

olivero
Sep 20th, 2008, 11:20 AM
Beijing draw

(1)Jankovic vs bye
Razzano vs Q
Tanasugan vs Srebotnik
(7)Hantuchova vs Dulko
(3)Safina vs bye
Li vs Schiavone
Szavay vs Q
(5)Zvonareva vs Garrigues
(8)Chakvetadze vs Wozniacki
Cibulkova vs Mauresmo
Peng vs Q
(4)Kuznetsova vs bye
(6)Radwanska vs Zheng
Yan vs Sugiyama
Q vs Cornet
(2)Ivanovic vs bye

Zheng will be soooo hard to beat

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 20th, 2008, 11:28 AM
Beijing draw
Zheng will be soooo hard to beat

Yeah, especially in China. Anyway, good luck. :)

Agata.
Sep 20th, 2008, 11:29 AM
The Beijing draw is out ;)

It's not really bad, not really good :shrug: But it's a Tier II tournament, not many easy opponents here ;)

First match against Zheng- she's a tricky opponent playing on her homeland- better to be careful playing against her. Then Yan/Sugiyama (propably Sugiyama). Sugiyama is, just like Zheng, tricky. Then Ivanovic/Cornet- again Ivanovic is unpredictable, Cornet is a solid player playing really good this season.

Anyway, now the air is even more polluted in China then during the Olimpics and Aga surely doesn't like it like most of players, so its hard to predict any results in this tournament, there may be some suprises here.

meb
Sep 20th, 2008, 11:54 AM
Yeah. Maybe two Chinese in a row :unsure:
The good thing is that she will most likely play on Centre Court so let's hope for a livestream.
Again, from seeds 1-4 Ivanovic seems to be the best draw.

olivero
Sep 20th, 2008, 11:58 AM
it's Tier II but every match here will be really tough. I hope she will reach at least QF

does anybody know is Aga playing doubles here as well?

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 20th, 2008, 12:44 PM
Yeah. Maybe two Chinese in a row :unsure:

Well, I don't think so. Yah has been playing shit since Indian Wells :P where she has defeated Urszula Radwanska 2:6 6:0 6:2:o.

Agata.
Sep 20th, 2008, 02:46 PM
Vote for Aga in PYW final ;) :


http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=14097450#post14097450

justine schnyder
Sep 20th, 2008, 03:32 PM
I don't like it at all.
GL Aga

Malva
Sep 20th, 2008, 04:04 PM
In the thread Safina def. Petrova, I provided an analysis of certain important patterns that I see in the Dinara vs Nadia, and Nadia vs Agnieszka, matches. It may be of interest to you.

Nadia just beat Aga 63 60, something must have happened to lose 16 06

It looks as if I may be the only one who is not shocked by the result, not even by the score. For me, there is a plausible explanation.

Nadia is indeed in a good form, as well as Dinara. Nadia had very difficult early rounds opponents, unlike Dinara. Nadia had to be mobilized against Ana, even though Ana is in a slump. Her next opponent, Agnieszka, was not in a slump, actually she played just great against Bartoli, with very high percentage on the first serve.

Nadia, of course was fully aware of that. She carefully prepared her tactic and came fantastically mobilized to face Agnieszka, while the latter was visibly lacking necessary mobilization, I would even risk saying: Agnieszka was lulled by her great performance a day earlier. This has to be recognized now as a regular pattern for Agnieszka: playing fully mobilized to take a difficult hurdle, and then, out of elation and emotional relief, not coming with the same level of mental preparation for her next match. The results we know. Her beating by Petrova follows this pattern exceedingly well, and it has little, in my opinion, to do with the relative balance of skills between the two players.

But then Nadia, after her fantastic performance against Isia, couldn't help but feel a tremendous level of elation and emotional relief herself. This happens purely on subconscious level, and is very hard to control, whereas Dinara was fully aware how difficult task was lying ahead of her, in facing Nadia. Thus, it was Dinara this time, who came fully focused and mentally prepared, Nadia -- just the opposite, I am afraid. And it is hard to blame her.

By the way, something similar happened also to Dinara, at Roland Garros. Dinara faced a string of very difficult, almost impossible, tasks in earlier rounds. She was fully mobilized against Maria, she kept her mobilization against Elena, and even Sveta. She was not considerd a favorite, many thought of her as a one-time, two-times, fluke. By the time she reached the Final she was declared to be a mega-sensation, somebody who was seen by many as a favorite for the crown. In such circumstances, it was just psychologically unsustainable for her to come with the same level of total concentration for the fourth time in a row, for her last match in Paris. The result: a meek defeat from the hands of her opponent, for whom by the way the Final was only her second serious trial of the tournament.

Such matches and scores thus do not necessarily reflect the actual balance of tennis skills and capabilities between the players.

This analysis, of course, applies only to players who can demonstrate two things: a high level of skill on a consistent basis, and a mental ability to mobilize for big matches. Dinara, Nadia, Agnieszka certainly can.

Serena and Maria are similar in this respect. This may better explain some of their inexplicable losses than the usual 'an off-day' excuse. An 'off-day' is a random thing, and there is nothing random in the patterns I described.

Matt.
Sep 20th, 2008, 04:37 PM
Interesting and true, Malva. Thanks for your analysis. I hope that at some point Aga will be able to work on what you just mentioned. Unlike serving, however, this is something that is going to take much time and natural maturity, two things that are mainly out of her hands.

papru
Sep 20th, 2008, 04:40 PM
well somehow I dont believe in Aga's ability to go deep in China.

wuthering
Sep 20th, 2008, 04:41 PM
Thank for posting it.

Agata.
Sep 20th, 2008, 06:00 PM
Don't know if anybody've seen it, but today during "Kadziu Projekt" (Kadziewicz was recording how do sportsmens live during the Olimpics) on Polsat Sport Kadziewicz filmed Aga (and Marta too) while she was (don't know how to call it) getting her documents etc. in China during the Polish Olimpics swearing ceremony, also he filmed Marta and Aga chatting together.


It was really short, but maybe sb wants to watch it anyway, there will be a repeat on Saturday on 2PM ;)

Malva
Sep 20th, 2008, 07:04 PM
Interesting and true, Malva. Thanks for your analysis. I hope that at some point Aga will be able to work on what you just mentioned. Unlike serving, however, this is something that is going to take much time and natural maturity, two things that are mainly out of her hands.

One of the true signs of a champion is ability to mobilize for big occasions. While mental pressure literally kills most girls on the WTA tour, it is soemthing that Agnieszka badly needs when facing serious obstacles. If she does not feel pressure, or if she releases that pressure too early, she is in trouble.

There was too much emphasis in the past months on identifying and overcoming weaknesses in her game. When I saw how well she was controlling her service against Bartoli, I myself, for the first time perhaps, thought: all right, now she has all the weapons to win even grand slams.

What happened next day was a cold shower. But it didn't take much time to realize how overlooked in all of her losses this and the last year was not just superiority of her oponents and her own weaknesses, but this regular pattern of not going to bed the night before fully prepared for the match next day. Like thinking about 'Louis-Vitton bags' instead of focusing on facing Shahar. Even her losses against players like Chakvetadze, Schnyder, Schiavone, may have much to do just with that. Isia simply didn't seem to be afraid of any of them, while they are simply too good to be handled on the improvisation level, without proper mental preparation, if they play well against her.

I now suspect that the matches against the Williams sisters would not be so one sided if Agnieszka faced them as the first real dangers to her in the respective tournaments.

So, this is the second serious obstacle to Agnieszka climbing even higher in the rankings, which would require reaching at least Finals of Tier I, and Semi-Finals of grand slams. And, honestly, may be even more important than improving her serving.

She can, and she should work on her serving. However, at this point she hardly will be able to do much with that psychological problem of being unable to sustain full mobilization. I see this to be now not her responsibility but her coach. It may sound strange, but her coach, somebody she puts all trust in, must be harsh the better so to speak she plays. After beating Bartoli, she should have been criticised for all the things she did wrong, especially that dismal loss of concentration at the beginning of the Second Set, and not praised for what she did well. She should not have felt satisfied. I am afraid it was the opposite. The result we saw the next day. And in such tournaments the difference between rounds in later stages in terms of ranking points is tremendous. This is exactly where these enormous points differences between say #3, and #10, are created.

well somehow I dont believe in Aga's ability to go deep in China.

I don't believe either. I believe she can win only those tournaments where she faces no more than one really difficult match before the Final.

On the other hand, I now believe that she can beat any player, playing well or bad. But she can't be asked to beat two in a row.

Matt.
Sep 20th, 2008, 09:20 PM
On the other hand, I now believe that she can beat any player, playing well or bad. But she can't be asked to beat two in a row.

And that just about sums it up. This one loss has given us a lot of information concerning Aga, information that she might not be aware of (or is, but won't accept it). Piotr better know what to do. (And he should, seeing as he is her coach...)

Malva
Sep 20th, 2008, 10:10 PM
And that just about sums it up. This one loss has given us a lot of information concerning Aga, information that she might not be aware of (or is, but won't accept it). Piotr better know what to do. (And he should, seeing as he is her coach...)

Exactly: you are reading my own thoughts. I caught myself realising why such a regular pattern could have escaped everybody's notice?

The answer is not hard to guess: her big losses over last 6 months involved thrice Williams sisters, and one at RG, Janković. Everybody I think was thinking that it was Williams sister's power that simply overwhelmed Isia. I am not denying their obvious valors, but that unfortunately completely overshadowed the fact that Agnieszka was not fully mobilized for any of these encounters, while her opponents saw her as their first and a very real threat. Remember Roland Garros? Everybody was seeing the 3rd round encounter with Cornet on her home turf to be an ultimate test for Agnieszka. I watched that match carefully about a month ago. Cornet was on fire, and Agnieszka would never had any chance to beat Cornet at RG (and she won in two sets), if she wasn't fully mobilized. She was. She did remarkable things in that match. And not once or twice. I was very impressed. Her poor performance in the next round was blamed by everybody on her stressed forearm. Was that her only problem? I don't think so. I think she approached that match with comfort of knowing that she already did accomplish enough in Paris. A pity. There was a chance to win it, the next round was so much easier and then she would have reached her first grand slam Semi-Final. Every such win propels you tremendously on the seeding scale, and for Agnieszka high seeding is extremely important: it postpones her difficult matches to the later stages of the tournaments she plays.

Matt.
Sep 21st, 2008, 12:30 AM
Assuming she hasn't and won't change much in the near future, I'd like to see her draw a Williams sister as the first tough player in the draw. With their seedings so similar, this isn't very likely to happen (definitely not before the 4th round of a major). Now if she drew 2 easy opponents and a 3rd "fluke" win (say, a qualifier beating someone with a seed around 25... this is easily possible), she could meet one of them. However, it hasn't happened yet. It's amazing that for the last 5 grand slams, she's, in the round previous to losing, beaten (respectively) Sharapova, Petrova, Cornet, Kuznetsova, and Cibulkova. Five very, very tough opponents. And then proceeded to lose to Peer, Hantuchova, Jankovic, Williams, and Williams. It's quite obvious what we've established.

We can just hope that Piotr sees this as clearly as we do... he should. However, I have a few doubts. Remember what he said about Ula going through a "teenage phase"? I really hope he doesn't consider this just another phase. I couldn't convince myself that as this has been going on for years and doesn't show signs of stopping.

Malva
Sep 21st, 2008, 01:07 AM
Assuming she hasn't and won't change much in the near future, I'd like to see her draw a Williams sister as the first tough player in the draw. With their seedings so similar, this isn't very likely to happen (definitely not before the 4th round of a major). Now if she drew 2 easy opponents and a 3rd "fluke" win (say, a qualifier beating someone with a seed around 25... this is easily possible), she could meet one of them. However, it hasn't happened yet. It's amazing that for the last 5 grand slams, she's, in the round previous to losing, beaten (respectively) Sharapova, Petrova, Cornet, Kuznetsova, and Cibulkova. Five very, very tough opponents. And then proceeded to lose to Peer, Hantuchova, Jankovic, Williams, and Williams. It's quite obvious what we've established.

We can just hope that Piotr sees this as clearly as we do... he should. However, I have a few doubts. Remember what he said about Ula going through a "teenage phase"? I really hope he doesn't consider this just another phase. I couldn't convince myself that as this has been going on for years and doesn't show signs of stopping.

I agree with all of this.

I have no way of knowing what kind of coach Agnieszka's father is. He certainly did wonderful things developing Agnieszka's natural talent. He must be caring and supportive. Is he also tough and demanding? Even harsh, if necessary? Does he have necessary qualities to steer Agnieszka to winning tournaments instead of winning difficult matches? And then literally giving away the next match? If we noticed this that late they may not have noticed that as well, always thinking that either the opponent was too strong, or that Isia did already enough (losses to Peer, Hantuchová).

Agnieszka achieved her #9/#10 position only recently. If the situation continues she will not be able to move up for the reasons I described earlier: to be ranked higher she would need to beat at least 2 tough opponents in a single tournament. There is a good chance that Agnieszka and her father will see what we see: it is not just a few weaknesses that hold her from becoming a really big star, but her lack of focus on big things: winning tournaments. She can concentrate, and she does, on winning individual battles, but she loses all the major wars.

There is a good chance that as the time passes and she matures, she may overcome this handicap herself without external help. As her supporter, I am impatient to be waiting for this to happen, of course. I just wish somebody she trusts sees this as clearly as we do.

Vefci Y
Sep 21st, 2008, 01:34 AM
I want to know why did Aga lost to Nadia 3606.....

Bartek
Sep 21st, 2008, 07:20 AM
(6)Radwanska vs Zheng
Yan vs Sugiyama
Q vs Cornet
(2)Ivanovic vs bye

quite interesting draw

Malva
Sep 21st, 2008, 07:45 AM
I want to know why did Aga lost to Nadia 3606.....

Simple enough: read the discussion in this thread and in the Matches on Video thread involving meb, swimntennis, and me, and you'll find the answer.

spriwi
Sep 21st, 2008, 08:49 AM
the draw is decent. aga never had problems with asian players. QF is almost sure for me. then ana/cornet who are also beatable.

gl! :rocker2:

Agata.
Sep 21st, 2008, 09:45 AM
King/Kudryavtseva v Shvedova/Tanasugarn
Dulko/Radwanska v [2] Yan/Zheng


Why is Aga playing doubles again? :(

olivero
Sep 21st, 2008, 10:19 AM
The answer is not hard to guess: her big losses over last 6 months involved thrice Williams sisters, and one at RG, Janković. Everybody I think was thinking that it was Williams sister's power that simply overwhelmed Isia. I am not denying their obvious valors, but that unfortunately completely overshadowed the fact that Agnieszka was not fully mobilized for any of these encounters, while her opponents saw her as their first and a very real threat.

I have to agree with you when it comes to matches against Shahar, Daniela maybe even JJ and Serena. But I honestly don't believe that she lost to Venus because she wasn't mobilized. During the first set she was just nervous (she admited it). In the 2nd she fought well but Venus was just too much for her. She blew Aga off the court. Nothing to be ashamed of.
Nevertheless I think it's interesting what you're all saying here. We have to keep an eye on that in next tournaments ;)

Why is Aga playing doubles again? :(

money? :shrug: I hope she won't be too tired after several tournaments.


In the mean time Vera is chasing Aga in the Race ranking. She just won in China and Aga is now only about 100 points ahead of her.

spriwi
Sep 21st, 2008, 10:30 AM
King/Kudryavtseva v Shvedova/Tanasugarn
Dulko/Radwanska v [2] Yan/Zheng


Why is Aga playing doubles again? :(

:spit:

wtf is she doing ?

playing many weeks in a row AND coming back to the 'let's get a bit more tired playing doubles' strategy.

splendid :o

Dinayer
Sep 21st, 2008, 10:49 AM
oh no :(

meb
Sep 21st, 2008, 11:11 AM
King/Kudryavtseva v Shvedova/Tanasugarn
Dulko/Radwanska v [2] Yan/Zheng


Why is Aga playing doubles again? :(

Good draw ;)

SOA_MC
Sep 21st, 2008, 12:51 PM
:spit:

wtf is she doing ?

playing many weeks in a row AND coming back to the 'let's get a bit more tired playing doubles' strategy.

splendid :o

What happen to Papa Radwanska relevation post Roland Garros that playing singles and doubles every tournament may be doing more harm than good:scratch:

Malva
Sep 21st, 2008, 03:01 PM
I have to agree with you when it comes to matches against Shahar, Daniela maybe even JJ and Serena. But I honestly don't believe that she lost to Venus because she wasn't mobilized.

I never said anything like that. Even if she is totally focused she still can lose to a better player. If she wins each time when she is fully mentally prepared, then she is the best player in the World. There are still a few left whose best game tops that of Agnieszka.

netimka
Sep 21st, 2008, 07:33 PM
draw is a draw, no too weak, no too good... with the double one we shouldnt see more than one match so its not so bad but i think if she wants to qualifies for Doha she should skip them completly...

i was also sad/disappointed with the last match score... you can loose but not in the style she did after a good game...and i can also agree that the is some issue with Aga concentration after easy/good win both in whole match or first set...

oh well, good luck on Tuesday:kiss: and it would be great to win any title before Doha but i don't even know which one...I can always dream:angel: can I;)

meb
Sep 22nd, 2008, 12:03 PM
Agnieszka's match is the last on Stadium tomorrow. So it will start at 14.30 - 15.00 CET.

Good luck!

Matt.
Sep 22nd, 2008, 08:49 PM
Thanks for that information meb. I thought it started today by 8 E.S.T. so I texted ChaCha during school and didn't get an answer. Now I see what the problem was.

Good luck Aga! Concentrate!

AndreConrad
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:24 PM
Yesterday I was able to watch matches from Beijing here: http://www.chinaopen.com.cn/2008/webcast.html (http://www.chinaopen.com.cn/2008/webcast.html)
Today I am am watching match Szavay vs. Shvedova. Maybe they will show Agnieszka's match. If you want to use the stream you have to accept the download and installation of an ActiveX control. It eventually redirect to a different URL, right now I am at http://video.sina.com.cn/sports/t/2008-09-22/135216044.shtml. The best of luck Agnieszka :)

olivero
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:34 PM
here's live feed. They were just showing Agnes vs Yara
http://www.justin.tv/lele0809

olivero
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:49 PM
oh no...it's raining

justine schnyder
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:51 PM
Dawaj Aga!!!

AndreConrad
Sep 23rd, 2008, 12:52 PM
Yes it is raining at the moment :shrug:

AndreConrad
Sep 23rd, 2008, 01:44 PM
I am not sure what to say, but Agnieszka is not playing well so far. Her usual weakness (2nd serve) is vulnerable and the rest of the game is not working. I hope she will get it together. She's losing 0:3 so far.

gumoll
Sep 23rd, 2008, 01:47 PM
start playing tennis AGA!!!

AndreConrad
Sep 23rd, 2008, 01:47 PM
The match got suspended at 0:3. Agnieszka will be serving when it resumes.

gumoll
Sep 23rd, 2008, 01:48 PM
is someone recording that match?

spriwi
Sep 23rd, 2008, 01:49 PM
pff rain again :(

maybe its better for aga :p

AndreConrad
Sep 23rd, 2008, 01:50 PM
I can't record this one, however go to this link it seems they are transmitting most of the Beijing matches. http://www.chinaopen.com.cn/2008/webcast.html (http://www.chinaopen.com.cn/2008/webcast.html)

meb
Sep 23rd, 2008, 01:53 PM
is someone recording that match?

I recorded those 3 games.

Maybe this rain delay will help her.

olivero
Sep 23rd, 2008, 02:40 PM
match will be finished tommorrow

meb
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:34 PM
Wednesday, September 24, 2008

Court 1 (from 11.00hrs)
1. ATP: Bai vs. Soeda
2. A.Radwanska vs. Zheng (tbc; NB 12.30hrs)

Agata.
Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:35 PM
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=14116988#post14116988

Vote for Aga ;)

Malva
Sep 23rd, 2008, 04:58 PM
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=14116988#post14116988

Vote for Aga ;)

2 more votes URGENTLY needed.

Malva
Sep 23rd, 2008, 05:01 PM
A look at the draw demonstrates again crucial advantages of being highly seeded: Zvonareva has a 1st Round Bye, while Agnieszka is playing in the 1st Round possibly the most difficult of the Chinese. You guess who is more likely to go deeper in the draw...

Bartek
Sep 23rd, 2008, 05:13 PM
2 more votes URGENTLY needed.

done! ;)

dulkogii
Sep 23rd, 2008, 07:42 PM
Go Aga and Gise!

Broken Racquet
Sep 24th, 2008, 12:47 AM
2 more votes URGENTLY needed.

added my vote, hope this will :help:

olivero
Sep 24th, 2008, 07:59 AM
First set for Zheng 6-2

Aga was down 0-5, but she seems to play better than yesterday

spriwi
Sep 24th, 2008, 08:22 AM
2-4 in the 2nd, aga playing very bad, maiking tons of ues

spriwi
Sep 24th, 2008, 08:24 AM
:eek: aga got angry, what a game to break back for 3-4!i hope she can keep playing like this :D

spriwi
Sep 24th, 2008, 08:31 AM
2-6 3-6

aga behaving like a child towards the end, not showing ANY patience at all, going for impossible shots.
dissapointing to see aga leaving the tournament in that style :o

she certainly doent like beijing ;)

Bartek
Sep 24th, 2008, 08:33 AM
she certainly doent like beijing ;)

indeed :p

meb
Sep 24th, 2008, 08:47 AM
It was really bad.


she certainly doent like beijing ;)

But she should get used to the place and conditions somehow, because from 2009 there will be a mandatory tournament.

Malva
Sep 24th, 2008, 09:14 AM
2-6 3-6

aga behaving like a child towards the end, not showing ANY patience at all, going for impossible shots.
dissapointing to see aga leaving the tournament in that style :o


Already in Tokyo in her match against Bartoli I noticed with great surprise how impatient, and quickly losing temper she was. I was surprised and, frankly, seriously worried. Never saw her behaving so impatiently before.

What you are writing corroborates that that wasn't an isolated incident. Everybody could see that Agnieszka has been rapidly changing in recent months physically, and now I suppose she is also undergoing a mental change. What that can be? An effect of some hormones?

I am concerned about the detrimental effects this may have on her game. Zheng wasn't in such a good form: she just lost in two sets to Zvonareva in Guangzhou, and Zvonareva hasn't impressed me with anything lately either.

Endru.
Sep 24th, 2008, 09:29 AM
Aga :hug:

Get it together :) and kick some ass in Stuttgart :yeah:
:wavey:

olivero
Sep 24th, 2008, 10:58 AM
Doha is saying 'bye bye'?

Aga please focus for European tournaments

justine schnyder
Sep 24th, 2008, 02:39 PM
WTH :tape: that's pathetic :o
I know Zheng is dangerous, but when playing well Aga should beat her, she's much more consistent.
Sad to hear Aga is a bit slumping again, and this time becuase sh plays immpatiently, it's not like her... Rest a bit Aga, and come back strong, and patient :hug:

Broken Racquet
Sep 24th, 2008, 02:48 PM
Although I am not expecting Aga to win all the time, i don't like the way she loses. She looks like she doesn't care but maybe it's because she is tired. Either way, if she is not ready for fight, she shouldn't play. Losing fighting spirit is the worst of all kind of losses.

AndreConrad
Sep 24th, 2008, 02:56 PM
Although I am not expecting Aga to win all the time, i don't like the way she loses. She looks like she doesn't care but maybe it's because she is tired. Either way, if she is not ready for fight, she shouldn't play. Losing fighting spirit is the worst of all kind of losses.

I think this is all part of how Agnieszka deals with emotions, this is why she is not showing much on her face during the matches. Of course she cares and of course she is nervous like everyone else.

Agata.
Sep 24th, 2008, 03:03 PM
that's really bad defeat :(

Too bad Aga couldn't cope with her emotions, that's quite a new thing for her, she wasn't often getting so impatient earlier in her career (or did I forget about sth? ;)).

Beijing is mandatory next year? So maybe Aga will play there, otherwise I doubt she'll even bother herself to go there again :lol:

Iceland
Sep 24th, 2008, 03:03 PM
Weird that she lost again on such a one-sided scoreline :sad:. And more than everything this new impatient style worries me.

Judging from what you wrote, it seems that there is indeed something wrong with her. Most youngsters are pretty tired at the end of this season (Cornet, Wozniacki), so I wouldn't blame Aga for this slowdown in her season. I just hope she can gain some form sooner or later to play the YEC. It would really be a great reward for all her efforts, that should also put tennis more in highlight in Poland. Aga would deserve it.

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 24th, 2008, 03:22 PM
How about the doubles? She was to play it today as well.

Agata.
Sep 24th, 2008, 03:24 PM
^^she will play doubles tommorow, because of the rain delay I guess

Agata.
Sep 24th, 2008, 03:33 PM
BTW, do you know that Aga propably won't be seeded in Moscow?? :shrug:

AndreConrad
Sep 24th, 2008, 04:02 PM
BTW, do you know that Aga propably won't be seeded in Moscow?? :shrug:

What is the reason? Do you know?

Agata.
Sep 24th, 2008, 04:09 PM
What is the reason? Do you know?

the reason is simple- all the Top10 players (except Maria) will be *propably* playing there - Ivanovic got a WC a few days ago- and Aga won't pass Vera after Beijing tournament, so she is #9 in the list (seeding are made after China tounament)

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 24th, 2008, 04:13 PM
the reason is simple- all the Top10 players (except Maria) will be *propably* playing there - Ivanovic got a WC a few days ago- and Aga won't pass Vera after Beijing tournament, so she is #9 in the list (seeding are made after China tounament)

If Francesca beats Vera, Agnieszka may be seeded.:p

Btw, Serena in Moscow? I heard that only Venus.:confused:

Agata.
Sep 24th, 2008, 04:24 PM
^^http://www.kremlincup.ru/db/players/?change_grid=1&grid=19&country=
both sisters here

about Fran beating Vera- thats why I've written that Aga propably won't be seeded ;)

justine schnyder
Sep 24th, 2008, 04:36 PM
I know being a seed is improtant and will help her with the draw, but let's not forget that those indoor tournys in Eurpoe are very strong, the unseed players are very strong as well, and some of the qualifiers are top 30. almost every player can best most of the players there, mpost of them will beat Aga if she continue playing like this.
So what I'm trying to say, that it's much more improtant for Aga is to play well again, like she did until the hardcourt season, being calm and patient, and to get her fighting spirit back. If it woin't happen, seed or not, she won't win matches against good players

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 24th, 2008, 06:59 PM
Do you know where Vera is playing in autumn?

olivero
Sep 24th, 2008, 07:18 PM
Do you know where Vera is playing in autumn?

For sure Stuttgart, Moscow, Linz.
Maybe Zurich (if some players will withdraw).

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 24th, 2008, 07:42 PM
I knew only that she's seeded as n.1 in Quebec.:rolleyes: Maybe Aga should go there with Ula, who's in MD there? What do you think?

Matt.
Sep 24th, 2008, 07:55 PM
Without having seen the match, I'm not sure what exactly to say. The general consensus seems to be that she was impatient and utterly unlike herself.

My only guess at this point is that she is exhausted from a long season in which she did, for the most part, extremely well. Unlike the "ball-bashers", she is constantly thinking and (a lot of the time) counter-punching. Although I don't know this for a fact, it seems that her style of play takes more out of her than that of the "ball-bashers". Seeing as she went further in more tournaments than ever before in her career, she must not be used to ending a season this tired. Her way to cope? Start being more aggressive (sometimes too much so). My only hope is that she will learn from this and: a) Play less tournaments next year (which should be accomplished with the changing WTA Calendar). & b) End matches quicker (in general). By this, I mean that she should use her variety and be able to reliably turn on the aggressive switch when need be. Not turning it on just in the second set and not making error after error. If there's one thing I know, it's that she can do this. She's versatile.

Dinayer
Sep 24th, 2008, 07:57 PM
Aga :hug:

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 24th, 2008, 09:02 PM
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=14124592#post14124592

One vote urgently needed! The vote of bibi is unimportant because he didn't vote for all matches!

dulkogii
Sep 24th, 2008, 10:33 PM
Today match was suspended due to rain Here is the OOP for tomorrow:

Thursday, 25 September 2008

Court 1 (12:30 PM)
Jie Zheng (CHN) vs. Ai Sugiyama (JPN)
Vera Zvonareva (RUS) vs. Francesca Schiavone (ITA)
Dulko/A.Radwanska (ARG/POL) vs. Yan/Zheng (CHN/CHN)
Fernando Verdasco (ESP) vs. Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP)
Benesova/Uhlirova (CZE/CZE) vs. Cornet/Pavlyuchenkova (FRA/RUS)

Malva
Sep 25th, 2008, 06:12 AM
Without having seen the match, I'm not sure what exactly to say. The general consensus seems to be that she was impatient and utterly unlike herself.

My only guess at this point is that she is exhausted from a long season in which she did, for the most part, extremely well. Unlike the "ball-bashers", she is constantly thinking and (a lot of the time) counter-punching. Although I don't know this for a fact, it seems that her style of play takes more out of her than that of the "ball-bashers". Seeing as she went further in more tournaments than ever before in her career, she must not be used to ending a season this tired. Her way to cope? Start being more aggressive (sometimes too much so). My only hope is that she will learn from this and: a) Play less tournaments next year (which should be accomplished with the changing WTA Calendar). & b) End matches quicker (in general). By this, I mean that she should use her variety and be able to reliably turn on the aggressive switch when need be. Not turning it on just in the second set and not making error after error. If there's one thing I know, it's that she can do this. She's versatile.

Sounds very reasonable. But certainly something has been going on recently with her. This should not be our business but maybe there are some tensions between her and her father who quietly (or maybe not so quietly) may be resigning himself more to the role of his daughter's trainer-assistant, leaving all the decisions to the daughter. Agnieszka is admirably serious person, but she is also very young and prone to making mistakes. Her Summer was nothing but waste. Her Far Eastern journey, well, a failure: one good win, two really bad losses. She starts to play and behave like Chakvetadze: hard-hitting, impatient, going too early for winners, a lot of UEs, and less variety. The opposite of what she has been known so far. I hardly can believe it -- she should know by now that this is a recipe for disaster.

olivero
Sep 25th, 2008, 07:52 AM
If Francesca beats Vera, Agnieszka may be seeded.:p


Vera won. She is likely to make a semifinal there. I really hope JJ will stop her.

dulkogii
Sep 25th, 2008, 12:08 PM
Doubles - First Round
(2) Yan/Zheng (CHN/CHN) d. Dulko/A.Radwanska (ARG/POL) 64 64

AndreConrad
Sep 25th, 2008, 12:26 PM
Doubles - First Round
(2) Yan/Zheng (CHN/CHN) d. Dulko/A.Radwanska (ARG/POL) 64 64

Yan and Zheng are good doubles players performing in front of their own crowd. I am sure Gisela and Agnieszka gave it the best shot. :)

spriwi
Sep 26th, 2008, 07:36 AM
vera beat amg 6-0 6-1 :eek: she seems to be in an impressive form recently, whilst aga is slumping. that gives the russian girl the advantage on their race to doha :(

Malva
Sep 26th, 2008, 12:10 PM
vera beat amg 6-0 6-1 :eek: she seems to be in an impressive form recently, whilst aga is slumping. that gives the russian girl the advantage on their race to doha :(

With a single exception of Zheng Jie, Vera has been playing a long sequence of average players. #10 Agnieszka had really tough draws at Flushing Meadows, Tokyo, and Beijing, compared to #9 Vera who had much much easier draws. This is of course a direct result of the disastrous blunder committed this Summer. She is being severely punished for her mistakes at the moment. The race is not over yet however. I'll hope she is going to fight from now on with full determination.

P.S. What Piotr Radwański said yesterday to the press sounds very reassuring: Agnieszka is ready to fight for the YEC spot.

spriwi
Sep 28th, 2008, 08:21 AM
wow, i have just seen the stuttgart field. strong as hell (something usual for this tourney), it will be *so* hard to get some points here :unsure:

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 28th, 2008, 09:02 AM
Now the true race begins. Every early defeat means "bye bye Doha".

spriwi
Sep 28th, 2008, 09:12 AM
Now the true race begins. Every early defend means "bye bye Doha".

naaah. i think stuttgart will not be a decisive tourney, too many good players here and too few points to earn. moscow will be the one :devil:

meb
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:23 PM
Agnieszka's part of Stuttgart Draw:

DEMENTIEVA, Elena (RUS)
BYE

MALEK, Tatjana (GER)
BAMMER, Sybille (AUT)

AZARENKA, Victoria (BLR)
SZAVAY, Agnes (HUN)

Qualifier
RADWANSKA, Agnieszka (POL)

Other interesting 1RD matches (for us):

WILLIAMS, Venus (USA)
GROENEFELD, Anna-Lena (GER)

and

ZVONAREVA, Vera (RUS)
HANTUCHOVA, Daniela (SVK)

spriwi
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:24 PM
easy, taken the amount of really great players playing there. azarenka may be tough though :unsure:

gumoll
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:26 PM
normally I would say that this is an easy draw but with such bad game from Aga so :unsure:

papru
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:36 PM
easyyyyyyyyy :yawn:











:scared:

Agata.
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:57 PM
Aga plays doubles (:()with Azarenka :eek:

Poor Aga's ears :o

Voracova/Zahlavova Strycova (CZE) v Cibulkova/Petrova (SVK/RUS)
(3)Azarenka/A.Radwanska (BLR/POL) v Llagostera Vives/Parra Santonja (ESP)

_AlbA_
Sep 28th, 2008, 05:50 PM
:eek::D(:()Good luck with Vika:hug: ang in single match vs Q:):bounce:

papru
Sep 28th, 2008, 07:35 PM
OMG is her brain already on holidays :o

justine schnyder
Sep 28th, 2008, 08:01 PM
GL Aga..

Malva
Sep 28th, 2008, 08:59 PM
normally I would say that this is an easy draw but with such bad game from Aga so :unsure:

I don't agree that Isia is playing badly! She may not be at her best but with the single exception of Nakamura in Tokyo, every other player she faced since her victory over Cibulková was difficult. Let's not forget about it.

I withdraw any judgment for the next two-three weeks.

I am glad to see that this time Fortuna had been more cooperative. Unless Cibulková/Bartoli help us however, I don't expect Agnieszka getting ahead of Vera after Stuttgart. Still, I think playing eventually Dementieva in the QF may be easier than playing JJ. I may be wrong though. JJ may be tired and I am not sure she is as dangerous on carpet as on hard courts.

In any case, another week of excitemnet ahead of us.

fouc
Sep 29th, 2008, 11:48 AM
do we know who is this mysterious qualifier in round1?

frequentflyer
Sep 29th, 2008, 12:15 PM
do we know who is this mysterious qualifier in round1?
Pironkova, hopefully. She has such a fantastic run of losses to Aga.

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 29th, 2008, 03:10 PM
I would like her to play against Sandra Zahlavova or Kateryna Bondarenko. :) We'll see.

SOA_MC
Sep 29th, 2008, 03:15 PM
do we know who is this mysterious qualifier in round1?

We will know tonight the last round of qualifying is being played now

fouc
Sep 29th, 2008, 04:33 PM
ok, i thought that qualis were over. one of zahlavovas would be probably the easiest

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 29th, 2008, 05:58 PM
She will play against Sandra Zahlavova.:drool:

gumoll
Sep 29th, 2008, 06:04 PM
if snooker will not be long then we will see Aga on ES :eek:

gumoll
Sep 29th, 2008, 06:07 PM
and I think Aga got the easiest opponent from qualies :p

gumoll
Sep 29th, 2008, 06:08 PM
Aga got a new photo on itftennis.com :lol:

http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/image/player/IO_35199_player.JPG

:lol:

Matt.
Sep 29th, 2008, 06:46 PM
if snooker will not be long then we will see Aga on ES :eek:

Well that didn't work out last time did it? :p

What time is she scheduled to play?

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 29th, 2008, 06:55 PM
5 Post Meridiem of Central European Time

gumoll
Sep 29th, 2008, 07:11 PM
Well that didn't work out last time did it? :p

What time is she scheduled to play?

you are 100% right :o


5 pm CET :)

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 29th, 2008, 08:07 PM
Aga won doubles:

6:4 4:6 11-9

:drool:

Pszczelny
Sep 30th, 2008, 05:30 AM
Aga won doubles:

6:4 4:6 11-9

:drool:

:yeah:

I'm not happy she plays doubles, but if she does, I want her to win there too ;)

Malva
Sep 30th, 2008, 07:19 AM
Aga won doubles:

6:4 4:6 11-9

:drool:

A rare win. Against whom? Who is her partner?

What's_going_on
Sep 30th, 2008, 08:08 AM
4-6 6-4 11-9 :p

Matt.
Sep 30th, 2008, 10:17 AM
A rare win. Against whom? Who is her partner?

Aga is playing with Azarenka (whom she may play in the second round should they both get there). They defeated N. Llagostera Vives and A. Parra Santonja in the first round.

Agata.
Sep 30th, 2008, 01:58 PM
Vote for Aga:
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=14160274

and also here :lol: :
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=356662&page=13

Malva
Sep 30th, 2008, 03:34 PM
Aga is playing with Azarenka (whom she may play in the second round should they both get there). They defeated N. Llagostera Vives and A. Parra Santonja in the first round.

Thanks. Azarenka is a seasoned double specialist. How good are the Spaniards? Isia/Vika won by the slimmest margin possible.

meb
Sep 30th, 2008, 04:41 PM
No score here??

Agnieszka def. Zahlavova 6-3 6-2 :)

AndreConrad
Sep 30th, 2008, 04:51 PM
First round well done as it supposed to be :yeah: :D

_AlbA_
Sep 30th, 2008, 04:57 PM
:D:worship:
great match for Aga:hearts:
Good luck in the next round vs Vika:awww::bounce:

_AlbA_
Sep 30th, 2008, 04:57 PM
ah...congrats for the win too in doubles:yeah:

Pszczelny
Sep 30th, 2008, 05:00 PM
Aga :yeah:

New place, new surface, new conditions, you never know what might happen. So good that Aga had such easy match in first round. She even didn't lose much energy, which is another positive thing. Aga showed some of her tricks, sometimes gave Sandra an opportunity to show her best. Záhlavová played really well, I can imagine her in top 100 playing like this.

Dinayer
Sep 30th, 2008, 05:33 PM
aga :banana:

good luck tomorrow!

Matt.
Sep 30th, 2008, 06:54 PM
Did anyone grab the match?

Pszczelny
Oct 1st, 2008, 03:23 PM
0-2*

this will be a tough match for Aga

Iceland
Oct 1st, 2008, 03:31 PM
Aga looks so average at the moment :tape:. Really lacks power and intensity so far...

Pszczelny
Oct 1st, 2008, 03:35 PM
*1-4

Azarenka is beatable, but Aga must cut off number of UEs and stop playing easy high balls in the middle of court

Pszczelny
Oct 1st, 2008, 03:38 PM
another break

1-5*

Dexter
Oct 1st, 2008, 03:41 PM
Judging from the way she played yesterday and is playing atm against Wika she has nothing to do in Doha. Sad, but true.

Pszczelny
Oct 1st, 2008, 03:45 PM
1st set 1-6

Aga still can win this, but she looks to be tired, not by her last match, rather by whole season.

fight Aga :)

AndreConrad
Oct 1st, 2008, 03:47 PM
She can win it, but I am afraid she is in a slump as I said before. I hope she will prove me wrong.

Pszczelny
Oct 1st, 2008, 03:54 PM
1-0*

Aga holds for the first time, good sign

I don't like the fact Aga makes so many UEs. I'd understand if she risked more, but she makes easy errors when she really shouldn't

Pszczelny
Oct 1st, 2008, 03:55 PM
She can win it, but I am afraid she is in a slump as I said before. I hope she will prove me wrong.

yes, she is, but she has a right to this after such good season

Pszczelny
Oct 1st, 2008, 03:57 PM
Aga takes 3rd BP and finally breaks

now important serve game

Pszczelny
Oct 1st, 2008, 03:59 PM
Aga holds to love

3-0*

she plays now more and more great pts

Pszczelny
Oct 1st, 2008, 04:10 PM
dammit, Eurosport is back with the coverage and it's 3-2* :rolls:

AndreConrad
Oct 1st, 2008, 04:10 PM
You think they jinxed it?? :lol:

Pszczelny
Oct 1st, 2008, 04:12 PM
hilarious 2 pts for Aga, with 3 netcords :lol:

Pszczelny
Oct 1st, 2008, 04:13 PM
You think they jinxed it?? :lol:

well, Aga just rebroke for *4-2 :angel:

Iceland
Oct 1st, 2008, 04:14 PM
Aga is a bit on and off. You can see how good she can be but she just lacks energy.
Keep trying Aga :hug:.

Pszczelny
Oct 1st, 2008, 04:15 PM
lucky BH smash :p

some players in stands: Zwonariowa (obviously), ALG, Ania Korzeniak ;)

Pszczelny
Oct 1st, 2008, 04:17 PM
phew, at BP Wika missed easy FH after Aga's drop shot :angel:

Pszczelny
Oct 1st, 2008, 04:19 PM
Aga holds with some problems, but she also played some great points :)

5-2*

Pszczelny
Oct 1st, 2008, 04:21 PM
now they showed Ala Rosolska (:awww:)