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backslapu
Sep 14th, 2008, 01:44 AM
http://www.tennis.com.au/pages/News.aspx?id=4&pageId=11478&HandlerId=2&archive=false&newsid=4788

Sharapova rehab on track


Phoenix, 13 September 2008
Charles Bricker

http://www.tennis.com.au/pages/image.aspx?assetid=RDM39547.5849312616&blobType=portait




If all goes well, and reports are that her rehabilitation is right on schedule, Maria Sharapova will re-emerge on the women's tennis trail the second week in January at an exhibition event in Hong Kong, then move directly on to defend her title at the Australian Open.



Sharapova has been in Phoenix for the last month and will continue there with well-known fitness trainer Brett Fischer, who is working to strengthen the area around the torn rotator cuff in her right shoulder.



No surgery is indicated and Sharapova's doctors are describing the tear as "very moderate". She hasn't been on court since she retired from a second-round match with Ai Sugiyama at the Canadian Open in early August.



"She's just very relieved that the problem has finally been diagnosed," said her agent, Max Eisenbud.



Doctors have traced the original rotator cuff tear back to a match against Tatiana Golovin in 2006, when she hit an ace up the T that resulted in the slightest of tears, and from there it slowly worsened until significantly more damage was done at Indian Wells this year in a match against Alona Bondarenko. Incredibly, the problem went undiagnosed for months.



Sharapova continued trying to play, but she was unconsciously changing the location of her service toss in order to not feel any pain. "The first serve wasn't too bad because she throws the ball more out in front," said Eisenbud. "But on the second serve, she couldn't get her arm close to her head. Basically, they were saying they see the same thing with baseball pitchers who tear rotator cuffs. They unconscioulsy change their mechanics to avoid the pain."



At the French Open, Sharapova had 43 double faults in four matches, 17 in a first-round win over Evgenia Rodina.



"Missing the U.S. Open and the Olympics was really tough for her," said Eisenbud. But she's resolved not to try to work through the pain. She's not coming back until the problem is corrected.

:hearts::hearts::hearts: I personally can't WAIT!!!!

SOA_MC
Sep 14th, 2008, 01:48 AM
She's going for normality in her comeback she always plays the Hong Kong exo before the Australian Open

gaviotabr
Sep 14th, 2008, 01:49 AM
That's definitely the right decision. She shouldn't come back until she is fully recovered. Good to know that the rehabilitation is working and on schedule.

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 14th, 2008, 01:53 AM
Get well Masha. It will be nice when all the girls on tour are back and healthy and we can watch the best vs the best.

Kipling
Sep 14th, 2008, 02:03 AM
Doctors have traced the original rotator cuff tear back to a match against Tatiana Golovin in 2006, when she hit an ace up the T that resulted in the slightest of tears, and from there it slowly worsened until significantly more damage was done at Indian Wells this year in a match against Alona Bondarenko.


LOL. Maybe this will shut up all the bashers who came all over themselves re: the Sharapova-Williams meetings in '07 and '08. I've been making this point for nearly two years, to deaf ears. Turns out, they're right to be scared of a healthy Sharapova.

Balltossovic
Sep 14th, 2008, 02:10 AM
I know she's been having issues since 2006 but how could they have possibly traced it back to a specific match? But not only that to a specific point she played in the match that seems a little ridiculous to me. If they can see it now they should have seen it before.

With that said. I hope Maria gets well soon and is back on the tour.

Maria V Ana Rivalry 2009 :inlove:
Watch out Bithces

The Daviator
Sep 14th, 2008, 02:14 AM
LOL. Maybe this will shut up all the bashers who came all over themselves re: the Sharapova-Williams meetings in '07 and '08. I've been making this point for nearly two years, to deaf ears. Turns out, they're right to be scared of a healthy Sharapova.

So tell me, how did she manage to play her 'best ever tennis' in Australia and return to being a cripple against Serena? Sorry, the excuses don't check out.

Megan1224
Sep 14th, 2008, 02:58 AM
So tell me, how did she manage to play her 'best ever tennis' in Australia and return to being a cripple against Serena? Sorry, the excuses don't check out.

It's called a cortisone injection...which is what she probably had right before the Australian Open.

doni1212
Sep 14th, 2008, 02:59 AM
LOL. Maybe this will shut up all the bashers who came all over themselves re: the Sharapova-Williams meetings in '07 and '08. I've been making this point for nearly two years, to deaf ears. Turns out, they're right to be scared of a healthy Sharapova.

:rolleyes:
Can't wait to hear your excuses in 2009 when her problems are "fixed" until she faces Serena at AO or Venus is Hong Kong.....


So tell me, how did she manage to play her 'best ever tennis' in Australia and return to being a cripple against Serena? Sorry, the excuses don't check out.

Exactly, same old bullshit.

Megan1224
Sep 14th, 2008, 03:01 AM
:rolleyes:
Can't wait to hear your excuses in 2009 when her problems are "fixed" until she faces Serena at AO or Venus is Hong Kong.....




Exactly, same old bullshit.
Yeah because she was beaten so badly by them this year...give me a break. :rolleyes:

doni1212
Sep 14th, 2008, 03:03 AM
Yeah because she was beaten so badly by them this year...give me a break. :rolleyes:

She didn't make it far at Wimbledon or she would have been, :devil:

Protoss
Sep 14th, 2008, 03:47 AM
Why does Sharapova play an exhibition instead of a real tournament to warm up for the Australian Open?

Mikey B
Sep 14th, 2008, 04:16 AM
So tell me, how did she manage to play her 'best ever tennis' in Australia and return to being a cripple against Serena? Sorry, the excuses don't check out.

i dont care much for fan's excuses for players losses, they lose or they win simple as. but did you watch the 08 match against serena? she was no cripple in that match! had she converted her set point in the first set it would have been a straight sets win for maria!

Mikey B
Sep 14th, 2008, 04:18 AM
Why does Sharapova play an exhibition instead of a real tournament to warm up for the Australian Open?

i dont know! i think an event like gold coast would be better preperation than an exhibition... she's done it since 04, so i guess its hard to break tradition.. i imagine the pay is amazing, to consistently get players like maria and venus to play there!

Modiac.
Sep 14th, 2008, 04:20 AM
She's on entry list of Linz. But I've no idea whether she'll play.

brent-o
Sep 14th, 2008, 04:21 AM
Why does Sharapova play an exhibition instead of a real tournament to warm up for the Australian Open?

The exhibition often has a much better field (if this is Watson's Water challenge we're talking about) not to mention they get paid lots of money win or lose.

serenafan08
Sep 14th, 2008, 04:37 AM
:rolleyes: You Maria fans make me wanna shoot myself. You use so many excuses for all her losses - then you get mad at other players for using injuries as an excuse. She played just fine in all the matches she's lost over the last couple of years; if she really was that injured then it's her own fault for not listening to her body. I've said this all the long - Sharapova's problems are MENTAL. White America has hyped this girl up so much that she can't even keep up with all the hoopla. It's tough to live up to such high expectations. This "injury" is a convenient excuse for her. Players aren't afraid of playing against her. I can name two players that particularly get up for a match against Maria. Not much will change when she returns - at least I don't think so. She'll win some tournaments - no doubt - but when she plays against the players that play like her - Safina, Serena, Venus, Ana - it won't be the cakewalk that you Maria fans think it will be.

friendsita
Sep 14th, 2008, 04:42 AM
She always plays in hong kong with Venus

spartanfan
Sep 14th, 2008, 04:58 AM
Aren't Maria's 15 minutes up already?

Megan1224
Sep 14th, 2008, 05:12 AM
:rolleyes: You Maria fans make me wanna shoot myself. You use so many excuses for all her losses - then you get mad at other players for using injuries as an excuse. She played just fine in all the matches she's lost over the last couple of years; if she really was that injured then it's her own fault for not listening to her body. I've said this all the long - Sharapova's problems are MENTAL. White America has hyped this girl up so much that she can't even keep up with all the hoopla. It's tough to live up to such high expectations. This "injury" is a convenient excuse for her. Players aren't afraid of playing against her. I can name two players that particularly get up for a match against Maria. Not much will change when she returns - at least I don't think so. She'll win some tournaments - no doubt - but when she plays against the players that play like her - Safina, Serena, Venus, Ana - it won't be the cakewalk that you Maria fans think it will be.

I'm not one to post often on this board let alone try and defend against asinine remarks, but this one has to take the cake. This coming from a fan base which says their player only looses because she played bad. Unfortunately some people give player's fan bases a bad rep, but I'm sure most Maria fans aren't making "many" excuses for her losses. I'm no expert on the sport by any means but when a player who normally commits 5-6 double faults in a match is throwing in 17-18 double faults, I would consider that a problem. And yes this "injury" sure in convenient for her, I'm sure her mental fortitude just couldn't take playing out the rest of the season and having to miss the Olympics and the U.S. Open. Why don't you read up on what a torn rotator cuff is before you post something like this dribble again.

doni1212
Sep 14th, 2008, 05:48 AM
I'm not one to post often on this board let alone try and defend against asinine remarks, but this one has to take the cake. This coming from a fan base which says their player only looses because she played bad. Unfortunately some people give player's fan bases a bad rep, but I'm sure most Maria fans aren't making "many" excuses for her losses. I'm no expert on the sport by any means but when a player who normally commits 5-6 double faults in a match is throwing in 17-18 double faults, I would consider that a problem. And yes this "injury" sure in convenient for her, I'm sure her mental fortitude just couldn't take playing out the rest of the season and having to miss the Olympics and the U.S. Open. Why don't you read up on what a torn rotator cuff is before you post something like this dribble again.

Yeah, a mental problem. Nothing was wrong with her at the French 1st round, when she commited 17 double faults. She said she was healthy, had been practicing for weeks on the clay and that she felt comfortable on this surface. She said all this BEFORE her match at the FO and then after when she got EXPOSED like crazy on that surface. She wasn't mentally confident and this contributed to her serving problems and her ground strokes being off. Don't pull the injury card on that one, :rolleyes:

I'll see what bullshit you write back tomorrow because now I'm going to bed dreaming about my faves 9 grandslam singles titles and my favorite final... AO 07 :devil:

Tamus
Sep 14th, 2008, 05:51 AM
She played just fine in all the matches she's lost over the last couple of years

Injury or no injury, that's complete BS. Just look at the double fault numbers. :help:

Tamus
Sep 14th, 2008, 05:58 AM
Yeah, a mental problem. Nothing was wrong with her at the French 1st round, when she commited 17 double faults. She said she was healthy, had been practicing for weeks on the clay and that she felt comfortable on this surface. She said all this BEFORE her match at the FO and then after when she got EXPOSED like crazy on that surface. She wasn't mentally confident and this contributed to her serving problems and her ground strokes being off. Don't pull the injury card on that one, :rolleyes:

I'll see what bullshit you write back tomorrow because now I'm going to bed dreaming about my faves 9 grandslam singles titles and my favorite final... AO 07 :devil:

My god, what is with some tennis fans and their inability to admit when a player is injured? I mean, what does she have to do to make some people believe she has shoulder problems. She has an MRI from April which shows two tears in her rotator cuff. I guess she's just making that up :rolleyes:. I bet if she personally mailed you a copy of the MRI you still wouldn't believe it.

thomas.chung
Sep 14th, 2008, 06:34 AM
LOL. Maybe this will shut up all the bashers who came all over themselves re: the Sharapova-Williams meetings in '07 and '08. I've been making this point for nearly two years, to deaf ears. Turns out, they're right to be scared of a healthy Sharapova.

Let see... Maria Sharapova wins Australian Open, "ohhh! she is still the best!"
Maria Sharapova lost Australian Open 1-and-2 to Serena and 1-and-1 in Miami, "ohhh! it must that shoulder problem!"

tennnisfannn
Sep 14th, 2008, 07:03 AM
Players can play with some injuries and still win esp against lower ranked players, it is when they have to play the top players that they would need to be at 100% to win the match. I get why the injury would be an issue for maria. Look at Jelena and her many injuries this year, she has still made it deep in tournies coz she could but agaoinst in form players it is almost impossible to do that. Serena beat Daniela injured but couldn't beat Justine despite taking her to three sets at wimby last year, in 03 venus had that hideous tear in her abdomen beat Kim coz she was much more comfortable on grass but she couldn't wing that against an inform serena.
People who play tennis would understand marria's results.

Megan1224
Sep 14th, 2008, 08:11 AM
Yeah, a mental problem. Nothing was wrong with her at the French 1st round, when she commited 17 double faults. She said she was healthy, had been practicing for weeks on the clay and that she felt comfortable on this surface. She said all this BEFORE her match at the FO and then after when she got EXPOSED like crazy on that surface. She wasn't mentally confident and this contributed to her serving problems and her ground strokes being off. Don't pull the injury card on that one, :rolleyes:

I'll see what bullshit you write back tomorrow because now I'm going to bed dreaming about my faves 9 grandslam singles titles and my favorite final... AO 07 :devil:

Yeah I'm not gonna deny that part of the problem is mental...how could it not be when you are playing with pain all the time (well most of the time ;)) And for the record, when you have a partial tear in your rotator cuff that was there since April, I'm pretty sure you're not 100% healthy. It's not like she's gonna say right before a match, "Oh by the way, I can't move my arm above my head without pain." That's giving her opponent an edge before the match has even started. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that she has been struggling with the shoulder since AO 2007. Just look at her grand slam results to figure that one out. She went from being one of the most consistent players on tour, to loosing in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds.
Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you people anymore because it's not like it's gonna make a difference anyway. Excuses or not she lost the matches she lost and won the matches she won. Let bygones be bygones. Time to move on and hopefully when she returns she will be fully healthy.

And tennnisfannn, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Adal
Sep 14th, 2008, 08:28 AM
:yawn: Serena fans complaining about excuses :yawn:

homogenius
Sep 14th, 2008, 08:34 AM
http://www.tennis.com.au/pages/News.aspx?id=4&pageId=11478&HandlerId=2&archive=false&newsid=4788

Sharapova rehab on track


Phoenix, 13 September 2008
Charles Bricker




Doctors have traced the original rotator cuff tear back to a match against Tatiana Golovin in 2006, when she hit an ace up the T that resulted in the slightest of tears, and from there it slowly worsened until significantly more damage was done at Indian Wells this year in a match against Alona Bondarenko. Incredibly, the problem went undiagnosed for months.




That part doesn't make sense at all.Quite ridiculous.

That being said (and even if I don't particularly like her) I hope she can comeback healthy next year and battle with the others.

Mikey.
Sep 14th, 2008, 08:58 AM
That part doesn't make sense at all.Quite ridiculous.

That being said (and even if I don't particularly like her) I hope she can comeback healthy next year and battle with the others.

Actually I think it does make sense. Now that they have discovered what the exact problem is, they now also know what exact symptoms go along with that problem. I'm sure she, and anyone, would be able to remember when they first felt signs of this problem, and then remember what may have caused it.

Anyway, I'm sure if you personally ever caused yourself an injury or whatever, you would be able to go to the doctor and tell them when and how it may have happened, to receive the appropriate treatment.

AnomyBC
Sep 14th, 2008, 09:00 AM
I know she's been having issues since 2006 but how could they have possibly traced it back to a specific match? But not only that to a specific point she played in the match that seems a little ridiculous to me. If they can see it now they should have seen it before.

With that said. I hope Maria gets well soon and is back on the tour.

Maria V Ana Rivalry 2009 :inlove:
Watch out Bithces

I'm guessing that every time she thinks she may have injured herself during a match she gets an MRI and they're looking at the past MRI results. From that they can figure out the match where she first injured it and presumably she explained to her doctors when she saw them after that match that she had first felt the pain when she served that ace. So that's presumably how they know exactly when it happened.

Of course, the real question is, why the hell couldn't they figure this out sooner?

cehowardrx7
Sep 14th, 2008, 09:13 AM
LOL. Maybe this will shut up all the bashers who came all over themselves re: the Sharapova-Williams meetings in '07 and '08. I've been making this point for nearly two years, to deaf ears. Turns out, they're right to be scared of a healthy Sharapova.

Spare Me!!!!http://www.cehoward.net/badteeth%5b1%5d.gif

Like the sisters have never been injured..

It is all part of the game..

So, please spare me the whinin excuses!!!http://www.cehoward.net/badteeth%5b1%5d.gif

cehowardrx7
Sep 14th, 2008, 09:16 AM
:rolleyes: You Maria fans make me wanna shoot myself. You use so many excuses for all her losses - then you get mad at other players for using injuries as an excuse. She played just fine in all the matches she's lost over the last couple of years; if she really was that injured then it's her own fault for not listening to her body. I've said this all the long - Sharapova's problems are MENTAL. White America has hyped this girl up so much that she can't even keep up with all the hoopla. It's tough to live up to such high expectations. This "injury" is a convenient excuse for her. Players aren't afraid of playing against her. I can name two players that particularly get up for a match against Maria. Not much will change when she returns - at least I don't think so. She'll win some tournaments - no doubt - but when she plays against the players that play like her - Safina, Serena, Venus, Ana - it won't be the cakewalk that you Maria fans think it will be.

Your signature is missing the 2008 US OPEN..

Please fix it..!!!!http://www.cehoward.net/badteeth%5b1%5d.gif

homogenius
Sep 14th, 2008, 09:17 AM
Actually I think it does make sense. Now that they have discovered what the exact problem is, they now also know what exact symptoms go along with that problem. I'm sure she, and anyone, would be able to remember when they first felt signs of this problem, and then remember what may have caused it.

Anyway, I'm sure if you personally ever caused yourself an injury or whatever, you would be able to go to the doctor and tell them when and how it may have happened, to receive the appropriate treatment.

With the staff and all the specialists she can afford I just don't by the fact that it took two years to be diagnosticed.
Besides that, many times I heard her not remembering what happened exactly in a match of the past because she had move on, they play a lot of matches etc...
All of a sudden her staff is able to say that the injury started "with a serve on the T...in 2006...blah blah".Not credible to me (btw she won the USO, Linz, Zurich that, year...injury didn't seem that bad back then).

Anyway, it's not that important.With her technic it was obvious she'd have some shoulder's problem at one point and I believe that it hampered in the past, but using it to basically justify all her losses since 2006 is a bit exaggerated imo.Hope she can modify her forehand and service's technic a bit to avoid being injured in the future and we have all the top players healthy in the same time.

Mashafaaaaan
Sep 14th, 2008, 09:25 AM
I can name two players that particularly get up for a match against Maria. Not much will change when she returns - at least I don't think so. She'll win some tournaments - no doubt - but when she plays against the players that play like her - Safina, Serena, Venus, Ana - it won't be the cakewalk that you Maria fans think it will be.

Safina, Ana plays like who, no the hell, they can't, Maria at her best level crushed them, what r u talking about, the only time Ana beat Maria it was on clay and Maria was injured, they have no chances on hardcourts even Venus can't beat Maria on hardcourts, it's not Safina or Ana who can make it:rolleyes:

Slutiana
Sep 14th, 2008, 09:29 AM
So tell me, how did she manage to play her 'best ever tennis' in Australia and return to being a cripple against Serena? Sorry, the excuses don't check out.
Exactly. When she's winning shes healthy, as soon as she starts losing its always the shoulder excuse. Obviously she has injured it but seriously, if she was feeling pain on it every match, even Maria wouldn't be stupid enough to play for 2 whole years with it like that. Excuses.

Dodoboy.
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:09 AM
LOL. Maybe this will shut up all the bashers who came all over themselves re: the Sharapova-Williams meetings in '07 and '08. I've been making this point for nearly two years, to deaf ears. Turns out, they're right to be scared of a healthy Sharapova.

:haha:

She could serve from up a tree and i still don't fancy her chances against Serena. It's all mental at this stage.

Destiny
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:13 AM
Great news :yeah:

InsideOut.
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:18 AM
Safina, Ana plays like who, no the hell, they can't, Maria at her best level crushed them, what r u talking about, the only time Ana beat Maria it was on clay and Maria was injured, they have no chances on hardcourts even Venus can't beat Maria on hardcourts, it's not Safina or Ana who can make it:rolleyes:

1. Ana has beaten Maria on a hardcourt before.
07 Tokyo SF: A. Ivanovic def. M. Sharapova 6-1 0-1 ret'd.
Maria retired because she was being crushed.
2. Dinara also has beaten Maria on a hardcourt before.
05 Moscow QF: D. Safina def. M. Sharapova 1-6 6-4 7-5
3. Venus also has beaten Maria on a hardcourt before.
08 Hong Kong final: V. Williams def. M. Sharapova 6-4 6-3
4. Chill.
5. This thread is not about Ana vs. Maria, who's the best Russian, or Williams vs. Sharapova. It's about Masha's comeback. I hope she comes back soon, too, and I'll see her in Hong Kong :yeah:

Adal
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:21 AM
1. Ana has beaten Maria on a hardcourt before.
07 Tokyo SF: A. Ivanovic def. M. Sharapova 6-1 0-1 ret'd.
Maria retired because she was being crushed.
2. Dinara also has beaten Maria on a hardcourt before.
05 Moscow QF: D. Safina def. M. Sharapova 1-6 6-4 7-5
3. Venus also has beaten Maria on a hardcourt before.
08 Hong Kong final: V. Williams def. M. Sharapova 6-4 6-3
4. Chill.
5. This thread is not about Ana vs. Maria, who's the best Russian, or Williams vs. Sharapova. It's about Masha's comeback. I hope she comes back soon, too, and I'll see her in Hong Kong :yeah:
I think it's carpet in Tokyo and Moscow, no?

Noctis
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:22 AM
People If you have a injury don't play simple.Shes doing the right thing all the time.

Matt01
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:31 AM
:yawn: Serena fans complaining about excuses :yawn:


Yes, I know. But to be fair, it was the Pova-fan in this thread who started with it.

Max565
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:42 AM
I can't wait to see Maria back on court. :D

Sander.
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:58 AM
:banana: Come on Maria:D

Mashafaaaaan
Sep 14th, 2008, 12:07 PM
1. Ana has beaten Maria on a hardcourt before.
07 Tokyo SF: A. Ivanovic def. M. Sharapova 6-1 0-1 ret'd.
Maria retired because she was being crushed.
2. Dinara also has beaten Maria on a hardcourt before.
05 Moscow QF: D. Safina def. M. Sharapova 1-6 6-4 7-5
3. Venus also has beaten Maria on a hardcourt before.
08 Hong Kong final: V. Williams def. M. Sharapova 6-4 6-3
4. Chill.
5. This thread is not about Ana vs. Maria, who's the best Russian, or Williams vs. Sharapova. It's about Masha's comeback. I hope she comes back soon, too, and I'll see her in Hong Kong :yeah:

First of all, like u said, Maria retired so I can't say it's a win for Ana, especially after what Maria did to her on hardcourts(6162 7563), Maria was certainly tired during this match:rolleyes:
About Dinara, I have anything to say, Maria lead 6142 and choked, it was the first time she played in her country. Anyway you know as I know, Dinara isn't a problem for Maria on hardcourts/ grass/carpet.
About Venus, it was en exhibition, who cares? :lol::lol::lol:

Ciarán
Sep 14th, 2008, 12:35 PM
She'll explode in Australia and thrash everyone

mb011
Sep 14th, 2008, 12:47 PM
the tour really needs her. hope she will be well soon...

Bitmap
Sep 14th, 2008, 12:51 PM
Please come back maria!!! WTA needs you desparate!!:worship:

DavaiDina
Sep 14th, 2008, 03:04 PM
Great news, it will be great to see Siberian Siren back on track! C'mon Maria!!! :bounce:

MBM
Sep 14th, 2008, 03:11 PM
That article say "unconsciously" tried to change her ball toss. Think that should be "subcounsciously"!

shaktincredible
Sep 14th, 2008, 03:42 PM
i'll be waiting for you. MARIA

Sharapowerr
Sep 14th, 2008, 04:17 PM
:rolleyes:
Can't wait to hear your excuses in 2009 when her problems are "fixed" until she faces Serena at AO or Venus is Hong Kong.....




Exactly, same old bullshit.

She will beat Venus and pretty sure Serena too, not even mentioning other players...:wavey:

nicidle
Sep 14th, 2008, 04:29 PM
pls come back quickly and let others take revenge

goldenlox
Sep 14th, 2008, 04:34 PM
Hopefully this rehab will end her shoulder problems and she can have a full healthy career on the tour.

joăo.
Sep 14th, 2008, 04:52 PM
Yay! I can't wait. :D

harloo
Sep 14th, 2008, 04:53 PM
I know she's been having issues since 2006 but how could they have possibly traced it back to a specific match? But not only that to a specific point she played in the match that seems a little ridiculous to me. If they can see it now they should have seen it before.

With that said. I hope Maria gets well soon and is back on the tour.

Maria V Ana Rivalry 2009 :inlove:
Watch out Bithces
What I find hilarious is how Maria dismantled her AO 2008 draw with this type of injury. There was no indication that she was even in pain, her serve was amazing for those two weeks, and she bageled Justine. I just don't believe any tennis player can put in that type of performance while struggling with an injury. Something in the milk ain't clean.:lol:

SAEKeithSerena
Sep 14th, 2008, 05:30 PM
So tell me, how did she manage to play her 'best ever tennis' in Australia and return to being a cripple against Serena? Sorry, the excuses don't check out.


exactly. sore loser.

SAEKeithSerena
Sep 14th, 2008, 05:32 PM
:yawn: Serena fans complaining about excuses :yawn:


and delusional maria fans being ridiculous:lol:

carling
Sep 14th, 2008, 06:36 PM
Good for Maria. She's a young woman with years of tennis in her (God willing). She should not come back until her shoulder is 100% healed and she can play without pain. A lot of players make this mistake and risk irrepairable harm to their career in the long run.

doni1212
Sep 14th, 2008, 06:45 PM
She will beat Venus and pretty sure Serena too, not even mentioning other players...:wavey:

:rolls: :rolls: :rolls:

:tape: :haha:

That's why you're pretty sure, and not 100% right? :lol:

drgray
Sep 14th, 2008, 06:49 PM
:sad:

I will miss you Maria. but get better and come back and have a kick ass 2008!

doni1212
Sep 14th, 2008, 06:50 PM
You mean 2009? :lol:

xan
Sep 14th, 2008, 06:52 PM
Get better soon, Masha!

duhcity
Sep 14th, 2008, 06:54 PM
exactly. sore loser.

I hate to bash, but Serena and Maria are almost always in the same boat.

When they win, its because they were 'in form' and healthy.
When Maria loses, its the 'shoulder problem'
When Serena loses its the 'poor fitness'


Maybe the players are human? And they're not invincible?

Geisha
Sep 14th, 2008, 07:49 PM
LOL. Maybe this will shut up all the bashers who came all over themselves re: the Sharapova-Williams meetings in '07 and '08. I've been making this point for nearly two years, to deaf ears. Turns out, they're right to be scared of a healthy Sharapova.

Serena and Venus beat Maria in 2005. What's your point?

I know that the H2H on the WTATour site says:

Serena def. Maria 6-1 6-1
Serena def. Maria 6-1 6-2
Venus def. Maria 6-1 6-3

And, there are no asterisks or anything beside those scores saying, "Maria has a slight tear in her shoulder".

Give me a break.

Lucas_Arg
Sep 14th, 2008, 08:06 PM
I miss you Maria, I'm done with women tennis until you come back.

watchdogfish
Sep 14th, 2008, 08:53 PM
[...]Doctors have traced the original rotator cuff tear back to a match against Tatiana Golovin in 2006, when she hit an ace up the T that resulted in the slightest of tears, and from there it slowly worsened until significantly more damage was done at Indian Wells this year in a match against Alona Bondarenko. Incredibly, the problem went undiagnosed for months.[...]

Well if that's true Maria needs to find herself some better doctors. How can it take 2 years to diagnose something like that especially when it troubled her so much last year too?

At least she's being sensible this time by not playing through the pain. She shouldn't drop too far down the rankings, and even if she does she's got the talent to work her way back up.

vettipooh
Sep 14th, 2008, 08:57 PM
Sharapova and her camp are just putting off the inevitable...at some point she's going to require surgery if she continues to play the type of power tennis that she does. It'snot just her serve, it's her whole game. A number of players have had surgery to repair tears in wrists, shoulders, knees, ankles etc.. She's making sure the world knows she has a valid excuse whenever she loses..it's always going to be the shoulder. If she loses early at AO 2009, it will be because she came back before being fully rehabilitated. ;)
Her team ain't too bright. :lol: And while they're at it they need to rehabilitate that shriek. :lol: I haven't had to mute my tv since Wimbledon. :p

thrust
Sep 14th, 2008, 11:38 PM
An exhibition with JUSTINE would be cool!!

Il Primo!
Sep 14th, 2008, 11:41 PM
I'll be waiting for you Masha :inlove:

In The Zone
Sep 14th, 2008, 11:44 PM
Is this an article or a philosophical Bible reading? :confused:

serenafan08
Sep 15th, 2008, 12:19 AM
I'm not one to post often on this board let alone try and defend against asinine remarks, but this one has to take the cake. This coming from a fan base which says their player only looses because she played bad. Unfortunately some people give player's fan bases a bad rep, but I'm sure most Maria fans aren't making "many" excuses for her losses. I'm no expert on the sport by any means but when a player who normally commits 5-6 double faults in a match is throwing in 17-18 double faults, I would consider that a problem. And yes this "injury" sure in convenient for her, I'm sure her mental fortitude just couldn't take playing out the rest of the season and having to miss the Olympics and the U.S. Open. Why don't you read up on what a torn rotator cuff is before you post something like this dribble again.

Oh trust me - I've read all the headlines and quotes from Maria about her shoulder. I do think that at some points it was her shoulder causing her problems - at the same time, I also think a great deal of it was mental. Tennis is so much more psychological than most people think it is. Maria had some tough losses - to Serena, to Safina after having a huge lead, to Ivanovic, to Venus - that wears on you after a while. This should have been corrected a long time ago if it was such a big problem. How do you explain her win in Australia? Did the problem temporarily go away then mysteriously return after the tournament was over? The stories don't add up.

stevos
Sep 15th, 2008, 12:28 AM
:rolleyes: You Maria fans make me wanna shoot myself. You use so many excuses for all her losses - then you get mad at other players for using injuries as an excuse. She played just fine in all the matches she's lost over the last couple of years; if she really was that injured then it's her own fault for not listening to her body. I've said this all the long - Sharapova's problems are MENTAL. White America has hyped this girl up so much that she can't even keep up with all the hoopla. It's tough to live up to such high expectations. This "injury" is a convenient excuse for her. Players aren't afraid of playing against her. I can name two players that particularly get up for a match against Maria. Not much will change when she returns - at least I don't think so. She'll win some tournaments - no doubt - but when she plays against the players that play like her - Safina, Serena, Venus, Ana - it won't be the cakewalk that you Maria fans think it will be.

Who said it would be a cakewalk?
Someone said Maria played like a cripple in her match against Serena this year. That was on clay, which Serena is considerably better on, and it went three sets (with the first set containing a set point for Maria). So for Williams fans to gloat and say she's still being destroyed by the Sisters, like in 2007, are being unreasonable. Maria still leads the series against Venus. And after she lost at that exhibition, I believe one of those two went on to have a pretty incredible run at a Slam tournament with one of the hardest draws she could've possibly had.
Oh, and she also beat both the players that knocked the Williams sisters out of that Grand Slam consecutively.

It must all be mental though. She really couldn't handle herself against the top players, that's why she was just bagelling scrubs (or breadsticking) like Davenport, Dementieva, Henin, Jankovic. I guess if she had played some actual top players she would've crumbled mentally right?

I've said it a hundred times and I'll say it again, the amnesia of some members of this board is astonishing.
Oh, and I STILL remember Doni's confessional thread, saying that her hate of Maria was due to her insecurities of her place in the game vs. Serena. I don't have amnesia. :hug:

VishaalMaria
Sep 15th, 2008, 12:31 AM
So basically,

1) The tour would have much more substance with a healthy Maria Sharapova. It was a shame when she couldnt play in the Olympics or at the US Open because her hardcourt game is a joy to watch.

2) With regards to her shoulder, lets hope she comes back with it "fixed" and it never hampers her anymore. I do agree that it was partly mental.

3) This thread has got nothing to do with the WS.

:) Good evening.

stevos
Sep 15th, 2008, 12:32 AM
Sharapova and her camp are just putting off the inevitable...at some point she's going to require surgery if she continues to play the type of power tennis that she does. It'snot just her serve, it's her whole game. A number of players have had surgery to repair tears in wrists, shoulders, knees, ankles etc.. She's making sure the world knows she has a valid excuse whenever she loses..it's always going to be the shoulder. If she loses early at AO 2009, it will be because she came back before being fully rehabilitated. ;)
Her team ain't too bright. :lol: And while they're at it they need to rehabilitate that shriek. :lol: I haven't had to mute my tv since Wimbledon. :p

I would say if she loses early at the Australian Open (the Grand Slam she happens to be defending, because I'm sure you've conveniently forgot that she won that tournament this year) then it would mostly be due to the fact she hadn't been playing for 5 months, and had been rehabilitating a shoulder injury for that whole time. Is that not valid enough for her?
Oh you're right, they're building up all this time off, just so they can have excuses for when she comes back to play. Conspiracy! Conspiracy! Maria's just fine, her camp just has a horrific fear of any embarassment, so she's building up an alibi for future losses.

And her shriek will be here to stay. Enjoy.

VishaalMaria
Sep 15th, 2008, 01:04 AM
Who said it would be a cakewalk?
Someone said Maria played like a cripple in her match against Serena this year. That was on clay, which Serena is considerably better on, and it went three sets (with the first set containing a set point for Maria). So for Williams fans to gloat and say she's still being destroyed by the Sisters, like in 2007, are being unreasonable. Maria still leads the series against Venus. And after she lost at that exhibition, I believe one of those two went on to have a pretty incredible run at a Slam tournament with one of the hardest draws she could've possibly had.
Oh, and she also beat both the players that knocked the Williams sisters out of that Grand Slam consecutively.

First of all, with regards to the Maria- Serena match in Charleston this year, Maria came in with a tournament win in Amelia Island and so she should have had alot of confidence going into the match. Futhermore, at the time, Serena wasn't "considerably" better on clay than Maria; they both had similar styles on clay and both were on a similar level of effectiveness on the dirt. It wasn't until Berlin, actually, that Serena adapted to the clay and put in some variety in her clay-court game. So in that respect, Maria had a good chance of winning; more of a chance than people realised back then.

Secondly, if we are talking about head to heads, more specifically Maria's with Venus' and Serena's respectively, then it goes without saying that all that matters is THEIR match-ups against EACH OTHER. No weight of substance should be held towards the whole "Player A/B/C scenario"; in this case Jelena beat Serena, and thereafter Maria beat Jelena, that would not have necessarily meant that Maria would have beaten Serena. It's silly to revert to something like that.

As for head-to-heads with regards to numbers, Serena leads with a clear advantage 5-2 against Maria, whereas Maria leads 3-2 against Venus; so not much dominance for Maria there.

The one thing that I really dislike is this "selectiveness" that some Maria fans and some Williams fans adopt :) It's all good saying "Maria went on a great slam run at the Australian Open 2008" but in saying that, it's stupid trying to dis-credit Serena's win in Charleston 2008. As I recall, Maria only lost one match after winning the Australian Open and Doha, before she came up against Serena. If she didn't have the confidence to beat Serena at that time, AND on Serenas worst surface, will she ever believe that she can beat Serena?

stevos
Sep 15th, 2008, 01:12 AM
First of all, with regards to the Maria- Serena match in Charleston this year, Maria came in with a tournament win in Amelia Island and so she should have had alot of confidence going into the match. Futhermore, at the time, Serena wasn't "considerably" better on clay than Maria; they both had similar styles on clay and both were on a similar level of effectiveness on the dirt. It wasn't until Berlin, actually, that Serena adapted to the clay and put in some variety in her clay-court game. So in that respect, Maria had a good chance of winning; more of a chance than people realised back then.

Secondly, if we are talking about head to heads, more specifically Maria's with Venus' and Serena's respectively, then it goes without saying that all that matters is THEIR match-ups against EACH OTHER. No weight of substance should be held towards the whole "Player A/B/C scenario"; in this case Jelena beat Serena, and thereafter Maria beat Jelena, that would not have necessarily meant that Maria would have beaten Serena. It's silly to revert to something like that.

As for head-to-heads with regards to numbers, Serena leads with a clear advantage 5-2 against Maria, whereas Maria leads 3-2 against Venus; so not much dominance for Maria there.

The one thing that I really dislike is this "selectiveness" that some Maria fans and some Williams fans adopt :) It's all good saying "Maria went on a great slam run at the Australian Open 2008" but in saying that, it's stupid trying to dis-credit Serena's win in Charleston 2008. As I recall, Maria only lost one match after winning the Australian Open and Doha, before she came up against Serena. If she didn't have the confidence to beat Serena at that time, AND on Serenas worst surface, will she ever believe that she can beat Serena?

First of all, Serena has won a Slam on clay.
Maria has won ONE tournament on clay.
And I'll be the first to admit Maria's movement and comfort on clay is not good, whereas Serena can adapt.

Secondly, it was a close match. Maria lost. I'm okay with it. I wasn't arguing that Maria is overall a better player than either Williams sister, I said it was unfair that they were saying that she would get destroyed when she'd come back, as if she was being obliterated by the sisters in 2008. It's just simply not true. And the fact that Maria won the 2008 Australian Open, and beating the players that beat the Williams sisters, DOES at least say something about Maria's abilities.

My whole premise was that Maria will not be shattered by the sisters, and that she hasn't been for the past year. That's why I made all those points.
And the leading head-to-head against Venus only further proves that point. I wouldn't call Maria a better player than Venus, but she does lead in the head-to-head, so for some Williams fans to claim that when Maria returns she will have to cower in fear is laughable.

Seems you completely missed the point though.

doni1212
Sep 15th, 2008, 01:21 AM
Who said it would be a cakewalk?
Someone said Maria played like a cripple in her match against Serena this year. That was on clay, which Serena is considerably better on, and it went three sets (with the first set containing a set point for Maria). So for Williams fans to gloat and say she's still being destroyed by the Sisters, like in 2007, are being unreasonable. Maria still leads the series against Venus. And after she lost at that exhibition, I believe one of those two went on to have a pretty incredible run at a Slam tournament with one of the hardest draws she could've possibly had.
Oh, and she also beat both the players that knocked the Williams sisters out of that Grand Slam consecutively.

It must all be mental though. She really couldn't handle herself against the top players, that's why she was just bagelling scrubs (or breadsticking) like Davenport, Dementieva, Henin, Jankovic. I guess if she had played some actual top players she would've crumbled mentally right?

I've said it a hundred times and I'll say it again, the amnesia of some members of this board is astonishing.
Oh, and I STILL remember Doni's confessional thread, saying that her hate of Maria was due to her insecurities of her place in the game vs. Serena. I don't have amnesia. :hug:

1. In that match, Serena didn't even really play in that match until the third set and we saw what happened....6-1....and she gave that 1 game to her, ;)
2. Davenport- Just back from having a baby and considerably rusty,
Henin- On her way out and not motivated at all. Not the Henin of 07...you know the Henin who beat her at the YEC, ;)
Jankovic- Don't even have enough lines to say what I want to about her....but as much as I hate to say it, she was actually injured against her at AO. She could barely move.
So no, those were not hard opponents, :rolleyes:
3. And finally, the reference to me. I said I hated her because of Wimbledon 04, not because of insecurities in her place in the game vs. Serena, :rolleyes:
She'll never walk the road Serena walks. She's miles away in.......Alaska, :rolls:
:hug:

doni1212
Sep 15th, 2008, 01:25 AM
First of all, Serena has won a Slam on clay.
Maria has won ONE tournament on clay.


You are NOT comparing Serena's win on clay when Women's tennis actually had depth, to Sharpova's win on clay when virtually NOBODY formidable was in the draw, :help: :rolleyes: :help: :tape: :help:

What the hell do I mean virtually....NOBODY formidable, :lol:

VishaalMaria
Sep 15th, 2008, 01:32 AM
First of all, Serena has won a Slam on clay.
Maria has won ONE tournament on clay.
And I'll be the first to admit Maria's movement and comfort on clay is not good, whereas Serena can adapt.

Secondly, it was a close match. Maria lost. I'm okay with it. I wasn't arguing that Maria is overall a better player than either Williams sister, I said it was unfair that they were saying that she would get destroyed when she'd come back, as if she was being obliterated by the sisters in 2008. It's just simply not true. And the fact that Maria won the 2008 Australian Open, and beating the players that beat the Williams sisters, DOES at least say something about Maria's abilities.

My whole premise was that Maria will not be shattered by the sisters, and that she hasn't been for the past year. That's why I made all those points.
And the leading head-to-head against Venus only further proves that point. I wouldn't call Maria a better player than Venus, but she does lead in the head-to-head, so for some Williams fans to claim that when Maria returns she will have to cower in fear is laughable.

Seems you completely missed the point though.

And Serena back in 2002 is the same player she is now? The era back in 2002 is the same era now?
No. Sure Serena is much more accomplished on clay, but the fact that it's now 2008 and Serena won RG in 2002, those six years make a heck of a lot of difference; so the number of titles has nothing to do with it.


Referring to their match in Charleston this year, it was power tennis. It's like they were playing on a hard-court, absolutely no variety there, you wouldnt think Serena had a Roland Garros to her name. Serena wasnt considerably a better player than Maria on clay in that match; I stick by that.

And like I said, if we're talking about Maria and Serena [or Venus], and you want to talk about their head to heads and their match ups, then fair enough go and do so, but its TOTALLY irrelevant if you bring this "Player A/B/C" concept into it; sure, Maria beat Jelena, and Jelena beat Serena, but all that means is "Maria beat Jelena, and Jelena beat Serena"; that's all it means. It's what it says on the tin. You cant imply that Maria would have beaten Serena, because woulda/coulda/shoulda has no substance in sport; none whatsoever. That's my point.

I understand your point that the WS will not totally destroy Maria, because when Maria is healthy then it's a good competition.

Again, referring to my post, Maria's head to head with Venus is 3-2 :) It's good competition. It's not 10-2 in favour of Maria, so it's not like Maria is totally dominating the head-to-head. And at the end of the day, the head-to-head is a "past" factor; it's just a peice of history; it shouldnt be used to "prove" anything especially with something regards to the future.

Tamus
Sep 15th, 2008, 01:39 AM
And like I said, if we're talking about Maria and Serena [or Venus], and you want to talk about their head to heads and their match ups, then fair enough go and do so, but its TOTALLY irrelevant if you bring this "Player A/B/C" concept into it; sure, Maria beat Jelena, and Jelena beat Serena, but all that means is "Maria beat Jelena, and Jelena beat Serena"; that's all it means. It's what it says on the tin. You cant imply that Maria would have beaten Serena, because woulda/coulda/shoulda has no substance in sport; none whatsoever. That's my point.

Both players were in the draw. Maria won the tournament; Serena didn't. End of story, no need for speculation.

VishaalMaria
Sep 15th, 2008, 01:41 AM
Both players were in the draw. Maria won the tournament; Serena didn't. End of story, no need for speculation.


Well thank you for supporting my point :D.

Tamus
Sep 15th, 2008, 01:54 AM
Well thank you for supporting my point :D.

No, you're actually kind of contradicting yourself. You point out that Maria won a tournament on clay going into her match against Serena and had only lost to one player all year, then say that it's irrelevant what they do against other players when considering H2H. :confused:

Also, it doesn't really matter what Maria's H2H against Serena is; all that really matters is winning tournaments. I could care less if Maria beats Serena in route to a title or if she beats Jankovic in route, as long as she wins.

Tamus
Sep 15th, 2008, 01:58 AM
P.S. I never read stevos say Maria beat Jelena who beat Serena, so Maria would have beaten Serena. You made an assumption on that part.

Warrior
Sep 15th, 2008, 02:17 AM
Aren't Maria's 15 minutes up already?


You know it takes more that 15 minutes to win 3 slams.

Dan23
Sep 15th, 2008, 02:19 AM
Theres only about half a dozen sensible and on-topic posts in the first 4 pages of this thread....gave up after that. Same old drivel from the same old tired posters.

I would have thought it was quite reasonable for someone to remember exactly when they hurt themselves because that sort of injury is extremely serious in tennis.

In the end this sort of preparation for the AO would be expected and is probably the most sensible approach since she can ease back into playing and has a guaranteed 2 or 3 matches at Hong Kong and then has the next week off before the AO to rest and continue training.

stevos
Sep 15th, 2008, 02:50 AM
You are NOT comparing Serena's win on clay when Women's tennis actually had depth, to Sharpova's win on clay when virtually NOBODY formidable was in the draw, :help: :rolleyes: :help: :tape: :help:

What the hell do I mean virtually....NOBODY formidable, :lol:
:spit:
You're kidding right?
THIS was the point I was making! Thank you for supporting it so zealously. I'm saying Maria has ONLY won a single, small tournament on clay, Serena has won a Slam on clay. Therefore I believe Serena to be much more comfortable on the surface.

HOW DOES YOU NOT GET THIS POINT I WAS MAKING?
I'm not sure how to be more clear. :unsure:

I understand your point that the WS will not totally destroy Maria, because when Maria is healthy then it's a good competition.

This was my whole point. This is somewhat exhausting.
Not sure where you got the rest from. My posts were there to refute the points of previous posters talking about certain matches, etc. And yeah, I know what the H2H between Maria and Venus is. I never said Maria was slaughtering Venus. But my WHOLE POINT (I'll say it for the seventh time) was that Maria is competitive with the Williams sisters, so Williams fans shouldn't write her off so quickly.
The fact that Maria has any winning record over either sister, says enough.

~CANUCK~
Sep 15th, 2008, 02:58 AM
You are NOT comparing Serena's win on clay when Women's tennis actually had depth, to Sharpova's win on clay when virtually NOBODY formidable was in the draw, :help: :rolleyes: :help: :tape: :help:

What the hell do I mean virtually....NOBODY formidable, :lol:

Doni do you even read the posts anymore, or do you just go on auto-pilot and start the maria bashing and the Serena ass kissing. If you actually read what he wrote you would clearly see he was making the point that Serena is a pretty damn good player on clay, where as Maria isn't. From now on it would probably do you some good to actually read something before posting and saving yourself from looking like an ass.

Mikey.
Sep 15th, 2008, 03:11 AM
Sharapova and her camp are just putting off the inevitable...at some point she's going to require surgery if she continues to play the type of power tennis that she does. It'snot just her serve, it's her whole game. A number of players have had surgery to repair tears in wrists, shoulders, knees, ankles etc.. She's making sure the world knows she has a valid excuse whenever she loses..it's always going to be the shoulder. If she loses early at AO 2009, it will be because she came back before being fully rehabilitated. ;)
Her team ain't too bright. :lol: And while they're at it they need to rehabilitate that shriek. :lol: I haven't had to mute my tv since Wimbledon. :p

You didn't watch the Serena-Venus USO QF? Wow you missed out babez :hug:

frontier
Sep 15th, 2008, 03:16 AM
shoulderpova is already healed,I think she is going to tumble down the rankings next year.she is defending 1000 points in january 09,Doha...

stevos
Sep 15th, 2008, 03:18 AM
Doni do you even read the posts anymore, or do you just go on auto-pilot and start the maria bashing and the Serena ass kissing. If you actually read what he wrote you would clearly see he was making the point that Serena is a pretty damn good player on clay, where as Maria isn't. From now on it would probably do you some good to actually read something before posting and saving yourself from looking like an ass.

It's overheating. :awww:
It's so sad to see the decline of a once so respected poster.

frontier
Sep 15th, 2008, 03:23 AM
First of all, Serena has won a Slam on clay.
Maria has won ONE tournament on clay.
And I'll be the first to admit Maria's movement and comfort on clay is not good, whereas Serena can adapt.

Secondly, it was a close match. Maria lost. I'm okay with it. I wasn't arguing that Maria is overall a better player than either Williams sister, I said it was unfair that they were saying that she would get destroyed when she'd come back, as if she was being obliterated by the sisters in 2008. It's just simply not true. And the fact that Maria won the 2008 Australian Open, and beating the players that beat the Williams sisters, DOES at least say something about Maria's abilities.

My whole premise was that Maria will not be shattered by the sisters, and that she hasn't been for the past year. That's why I made all those points.
And the leading head-to-head against Venus only further proves that point. I wouldn't call Maria a better player than Venus, but she does lead in the head-to-head, so for some Williams fans to claim that when Maria returns she will have to cower in fear is laughable.

Seems you completely missed the point though.shoulderpova is ova..since 04 SHE HAS LOST TWICE TO VENUS AT WIMBLEDON HER FAVOURITE EVENT AND 6 TIMES TO SERENA:p

doni1212
Sep 15th, 2008, 03:33 AM
:spit:
You're kidding right?
THIS was the point I was making! Thank you for supporting it so zealously. I'm saying Maria has ONLY won a single, small tournament on clay, Serena has won a Slam on clay. Therefore I believe Serena to be much more comfortable on the surface.

HOW DOES YOU NOT GET THIS POINT I WAS MAKING?
I'm not sure how to be more clear. :unsure:


Oh ok, I get you now, :p

It's overheating. :awww:
It's so sad to see the decline of a once so respected poster.

I mis-read. DAMN, :lol:
I'm still very respected. Just not by you and some other Sharapova and Jankovic fans who don't matter, :wavey:
BTW, I like you Stevos. I think....:lol:

stevos
Sep 15th, 2008, 04:06 AM
Oh ok, I get you now, :p

I mis-read. DAMN, :lol:
I'm still very respected. Just not by you and some other Sharapova and Jankovic fans who don't matter, :wavey:
BTW, I like you Stevos. I think....:lol:

You know I love you crazy Serena fans deep down.
I appreciate the level of fandom.
I just don't like being mizundastood. :)

Temporary0369
Sep 15th, 2008, 04:38 AM
:rolleyes:
Can't wait to hear your excuses in 2009 when her problems are "fixed" until she faces Serena at AO or Venus is Hong Kong.....




Exactly, same old bullshit.

How does Serena win Miami, Charleston, Bangalore, and then make the finals of Wimbledon but when she's losing against Wozniak it's because of her knee? Same old bullshit. She's faking it! People's injuries don't rear their ugly heads now and again. Once they're gone they're gone, it's final. Serena was just terrified of Aleksandra. She's in her head!!! :rolleyes: Get over it, players are allowed to have injuries no matter how much you may dislike them, and I do believe that in the intial post it was said that Sharapova reinjured her shoulder at Indian Wells, where her level drastically decreased. But no, it's not her shoulder, you're right. A healthy Sharapova can't take a set off of Kudryavtseva or win comfortably over Domachowska.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 15th, 2008, 05:23 AM
...injuries don't rear their ugly heads now and again. Once they're gone they're gone, it's final...

I rarely give bad reps for sheer STUPIDITY, but dude...







...you sound dumb.


Yours might be the MOST asinine comment I've ever heard on these boards..., and there have been lots of them.

Temporary0369
Sep 15th, 2008, 06:17 AM
I rarely give bad reps for sheer STUPIDITY, but dude...







...you sound dumb.


Yours might be the MOST asinine comment I've ever heard on these boards..., and there have been lots of them.

Hun, you seem incredibly thick, so let me explain this to you. My entire post was oozing with sarcasm. I'm quite a fan of Serena actually and her injury was the reason why she lost that match. I was drawing a comparison between the orginal poster's favorite (serena) and Sharapova. You see, I was making the connection that if Serena's injuries are naggling and they can inhibit her from playing well, then... gasp... so can Sharapova's. Gosh.

Temporary0369
Sep 15th, 2008, 06:19 AM
PS sorry for saying that you're thick, I understand how the tone of one's message can be difficult to understand if you didn't write it.

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 15th, 2008, 06:39 AM
So tell me, how did she manage to play her 'best ever tennis' in Australia and return to being a cripple against Serena? Sorry, the excuses don't check out.

:tape:

Cakeisgood
Sep 15th, 2008, 06:49 AM
So basically,

1) The tour would have much more substance with a healthy Maria Sharapova. It was a shame when she couldnt play in the Olympics or at the US Open because her hardcourt game is a joy to watch.

2) With regards to her shoulder, lets hope she comes back with it "fixed" and it never hampers her anymore. I do agree that it was partly mental.

3) This thread has got nothing to do with the WS.

:) Good evening.

First of all, with regards to the Maria- Serena match in Charleston this year, Maria came in with a tournament win in Amelia Island and so she should have had alot of confidence going into the match. Futhermore, at the time, Serena wasn't "considerably" better on clay than Maria; they both had similar styles on clay and both were on a similar level of effectiveness on the dirt. It wasn't until Berlin, actually, that Serena adapted to the clay and put in some variety in her clay-court game. So in that respect, Maria had a good chance of winning; more of a chance than people realised back then.

Secondly, if we are talking about head to heads, more specifically Maria's with Venus' and Serena's respectively, then it goes without saying that all that matters is THEIR match-ups against EACH OTHER. No weight of substance should be held towards the whole "Player A/B/C scenario"; in this case Jelena beat Serena, and thereafter Maria beat Jelena, that would not have necessarily meant that Maria would have beaten Serena. It's silly to revert to something like that.

As for head-to-heads with regards to numbers, Serena leads with a clear advantage 5-2 against Maria, whereas Maria leads 3-2 against Venus; so not much dominance for Maria there.

The one thing that I really dislike is this "selectiveness" that some Maria fans and some Williams fans adopt :) It's all good saying "Maria went on a great slam run at the Australian Open 2008" but in saying that, it's stupid trying to dis-credit Serena's win in Charleston 2008. As I recall, Maria only lost one match after winning the Australian Open and Doha, before she came up against Serena. If she didn't have the confidence to beat Serena at that time, AND on Serenas worst surface, will she ever believe that she can beat Serena?

How fantastically hypocritical of you.

This argument is sooooooooooo tired. The OP opened this to inform this board that Maria would be back for Hong Kong. And now, it's a Sharapova vs. Venus and Serena thread AGAIN.

For fucks sake, give it a rest, all of you. Let's just watch some good tennis.

Serge007
Sep 15th, 2008, 07:01 AM
it's a Sharapova vs. Venus and Serena thread AGAIN
Yeah, too much Maria vs Serena/Venus thread. I'll prefer Maria vs Jelena/Ana/Elena/Dinara threads in 2009.

stevos
Sep 15th, 2008, 07:02 AM
PS sorry for saying that you're thick, I understand how the tone of one's message can be difficult to understand if you didn't write it.

Don't apologize.
It was perfectly clear (and hilarious) to those with an ounce of sanity remaining.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Sep 15th, 2008, 07:33 AM
Yeah, a mental problem. Nothing was wrong with her at the French 1st round, when she commited 17 double faults. She said she was healthy, had been practicing for weeks on the clay and that she felt comfortable on this surface. She said all this BEFORE her match at the FO and then after when she got EXPOSED like crazy on that surface. She wasn't mentally confident and this contributed to her serving problems and her ground strokes being off. Don't pull the injury card on that one, :rolleyes:

I'll see what bullshit you write back tomorrow because now I'm going to bed dreaming about my faves 9 grandslam singles titles and my favorite final... AO 07 :devil:

Poor Doni, her life revolves around Maria :awww: Btw nothing better to dream about? :awww:

Vaidisova Ruled
Sep 15th, 2008, 08:07 AM
First of all, with regards to the Maria- Serena match in Charleston this year, Maria came in with a tournament win in Amelia Island and so she should have had alot of confidence going into the match. Futhermore, at the time, Serena wasn't "considerably" better on clay than Maria; they both had similar styles on clay and both were on a similar level of effectiveness on the dirt. It wasn't until Berlin, actually, that Serena adapted to the clay and put in some variety in her clay-court game. So in that respect, Maria had a good chance of winning; more of a chance than people realised back then.

Secondly, if we are talking about head to heads, more specifically Maria's with Venus' and Serena's respectively, then it goes without saying that all that matters is THEIR match-ups against EACH OTHER. No weight of substance should be held towards the whole "Player A/B/C scenario"; in this case Jelena beat Serena, and thereafter Maria beat Jelena, that would not have necessarily meant that Maria would have beaten Serena. It's silly to revert to something like that.

As for head-to-heads with regards to numbers, Serena leads with a clear advantage 5-2 against Maria, whereas Maria leads 3-2 against Venus; so not much dominance for Maria there.

The one thing that I really dislike is this "selectiveness" that some Maria fans and some Williams fans adopt :) It's all good saying "Maria went on a great slam run at the Australian Open 2008" but in saying that, it's stupid trying to dis-credit Serena's win in Charleston 2008. As I recall, Maria only lost one match after winning the Australian Open and Doha, before she came up against Serena. If she didn't have the confidence to beat Serena at that time, AND on Serenas worst surface, will she ever believe that she can beat Serena?
Shut the fuck up Hater

Vaidisova Ruled
Sep 15th, 2008, 08:07 AM
Oh trust me - I've read all the headlines and quotes from Maria about her shoulder. I do think that at some points it was her shoulder causing her problems - at the same time, I also think a great deal of it was mental. Tennis is so much more psychological than most people think it is. Maria had some tough losses - to Serena, to Safina after having a huge lead, to Ivanovic, to Venus - that wears on you after a while. This should have been corrected a long time ago if it was such a big problem. How do you explain her win in Australia? Did the problem temporarily go away then mysteriously return after the tournament was over? The stories don't add up.
Shut the fuck up Hater

Vaidisova Ruled
Sep 15th, 2008, 08:09 AM
1. In that match, Serena didn't even really play in that match until the third set and we saw what happened....6-1....and she gave that 1 game to her, ;)
2. Davenport- Just back from having a baby and considerably rusty,
Henin- On her way out and not motivated at all. Not the Henin of 07...you know the Henin who beat her at the YEC, ;)
Jankovic- Don't even have enough lines to say what I want to about her....but as much as I hate to say it, she was actually injured against her at AO. She could barely move.
So no, those were not hard opponents, :rolleyes:
3. And finally, the reference to me. I said I hated her because of Wimbledon 04, not because of insecurities in her place in the game vs. Serena, :rolleyes:
She'll never walk the road Serena walks. She's miles away in.......Alaska, :rolls:
:hug:
you too

Vaidisova Ruled
Sep 15th, 2008, 08:10 AM
1. In that match, Serena didn't even really play in that match until the third set and we saw what happened....6-1....and she gave that 1 game to her, ;)

That's what I call an excuse

Mashafaaaaan
Sep 15th, 2008, 08:17 AM
That's what I call an excuse

Serena said the same thing, what a liar:lol::lol::lol: Sharapova was just superior to her in the two first sets, it's unbelievable how WS can't say the truth, even Serena:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Vaidisova Ruled
Sep 15th, 2008, 08:23 AM
Serena said the same thing, what a liar:lol::lol::lol: Sharapova was just superior to her in the two first sets, it's unbelievable how WS can't say the truth, even Serena:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Totally
I remember
And just a few posts ago, Serena's fans were saying "Sharapova make up some excuses " :worship:

Anyway, I remember there was some threads like that last year, before Ao 2008. And maria won Ao, so...

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 15th, 2008, 08:32 AM
PS sorry for saying that you're thick, I understand how the tone of one's message can be difficult to understand if you didn't write it.:lol: okay, let's try this one...

I sound dumb!

That's what I get for just popping in and posting without reading the entire thread- or at least a few pages.

So, at least for tonight, I will concede that I AM THICK and, as Stevos said, am probably a little insane too. Sorry.

On the upside..., I never did bad rep you :o

friendsita
Sep 15th, 2008, 09:07 AM
At this point I don't expect a huge comeback or a good defense of the ao title, I just wish she can comeback injury free and get some rythim to be the Masha I love to see.
I like her so much and wish only the best for her.

Renalicious
Sep 15th, 2008, 10:57 AM
She'll be winning in to no time. :shrug: She'll bounce back, I dont know why her fans worry.

Will you guys shut up about the match at Charleston? They were both in good form (altough Serena had injured her ankle the day earlier) and it was a good match. Serena showed some mental toughness in the first set - it could've gone either way. Masha then fought back, and Serena lost a little bit of concentration. But she was right on it again in the third and dished Maria a breadstick. Why are you discussing this match? Serena was better, but Maria was playing well.

Renalicious
Sep 15th, 2008, 11:00 AM
How does Serena win Miami, Charleston, Bangalore, and then make the finals of Wimbledon but when she's losing against Wozniak it's because of her knee? Same old bullshit. She's faking it! People's injuries don't rear their ugly heads now and again. Once they're gone they're gone, it's final. Serena was just terrified of Aleksandra. She's in her head!!! :rolleyes:

Yes. Okay. Serena was terrified of Aleks. Yep. Then she won the US Open and became #1. Oh Aleks :worship: instilling ear into the GOAT!! :speakles:

VishaalMaria
Sep 15th, 2008, 12:24 PM
No, you're actually kind of contradicting yourself. You point out that Maria won a tournament on clay going into her match against Serena and had only lost to one player all year, then say that it's irrelevant what they do against other players when considering H2H. :confused:

Also, it doesn't really matter what Maria's H2H against Serena is; all that really matters is winning tournaments. I could care less if Maria beats Serena in route to a title or if she beats Jankovic in route, as long as she wins.

That's not a contradiction; those are two separate points and I made myself clear in both of them. You just didn't understand. However, for your sake I'll explain them again.

Firstly, the reason why I brought up the fact that Maria had won the AO, Doha, Amelia Island and only lost one match prior to meeting Serena, is to highlight Maria's confidence; her confidence level would have been pretty high, maybe at its highest, and she still didn't believe she could beat Serena. So that point was about her confidence, nothing to do with any player.

Secondly, if you're talking about any two players' rivarly [if you could call it that] and you want to talk about their match-ups, then it goes without saying that you should really just talk about their match-ups with each other. None of this player A/B/C concept, which Stevos [if you read his posts] used to "support" his point that Maria would not have been demolished by Serena, because "Serena lost to Jelena, and Maria beat Jelena".

Thirdly, your first post in this thread i.e. "Maria and Serena were both in the draw. Maria won the tournament, Serena didn't. No need for speculation" therefore supported my point, because Maria and Serena didn't play each other in that tournament, so there would have been no need for any sort of speculation especially considering Maria beat Jelena, and Jelena previously beat Serena.

I hope everything is now clear to you.

VishaalMaria
Sep 15th, 2008, 12:32 PM
How fantastically hypocritical of you.

This argument is sooooooooooo tired. The OP opened this to inform this board that Maria would be back for Hong Kong. And now, it's a Sharapova vs. Venus and Serena thread AGAIN.

For fucks sake, give it a rest, all of you. Let's just watch some good tennis.

I'm just amazed you had nothing better to do with your time than to highlight "Serena", "Venus", and "Williams" in bold. :lol::tape:

It's true; this thread has got nothing to do with the William Sisters, but if a Maria fan who is obviously insecure about Maria's future match ups with the WS decides to bring their names into it, and most other Maria fans follow suit, then obviously me being a Williams fan is going to correct them on a few home truths. And that happened to be between me and Stevos which unfortunately happened to be in this thread.

That's just the way it goes, I'm afraid.

VishaalMaria
Sep 15th, 2008, 12:37 PM
Shut the fuck up Hater


:)

WonderfulLee
Sep 15th, 2008, 03:55 PM
oh no...:help: pls, dont comeback, maria!

Serenita
Sep 15th, 2008, 03:56 PM
Do players go all out in exhibitions?

shaktincredible
Sep 15th, 2008, 04:50 PM
oh no...:help: pls, dont comeback, maria!

that's not gonna happened,baby! ;)

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Sep 15th, 2008, 05:15 PM
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Il Primo!
Sep 15th, 2008, 06:36 PM
OMG, Doni is so freaking RETARDED :haha: :rolls: Double standard at its peak, UNBELIEVABLE

améliemomo
Sep 15th, 2008, 07:05 PM
shoulderpova is already healed,I think she is going to tumble down the rankings next year.she is defending 1000 points in january 09,Doha...


what will be her ranking at the AO??she will still be in the top10 no?
she could face one of the 4 seeds in quarter final,perhaps serena...
wow possible clash on WTA world!its so rare!!:lol::tape::help:
allez good luck to her recovery.

MrSerenaWilliams
Sep 15th, 2008, 08:18 PM
Well it seems that the war has already commenced :o


either way:

:hug: rest up Masha, come back healthy for '09.


NO MORE INJURIES FOR MY FAVES :sobbing:

kthx