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Lighter
Sep 11th, 2008, 08:47 AM
Marion is ready to play in Tokyo : http://www.women365.fr/layout/set/popup/sport/depeches/tokyo-bartoli-en-piste

Hoping she'll have a good draw. Waiting for next information.

Iceland
Sep 11th, 2008, 09:21 AM
Nice title even though this band is terrible... :D
I really hope Marion has put her disappointment far away from her and gives her best!

Lighter
Sep 11th, 2008, 10:06 AM
Nice title even though this band is terrible... :D
I really hope Marion has put her disappointed far away from her and gives her best!You already read this article : http://www.women365.fr/sport/actualite/walter-bartoli-on-se-fout-des-on-dit

So, we can be confident. I guess she'll give all the best she could.

Super_Marion
Sep 11th, 2008, 11:34 AM
This Woman365 site gets a lot of Bartoli news. What is Woman365, is it known in France?

Lighter
Sep 11th, 2008, 01:11 PM
This Woman365 site gets a lot of Bartoli news. What is Woman365, is it known in France?In fact, sport365.fr. Coach365 and woman365 are included inside sport365.

As famous as :
- lequipe.fr
- eurosport.fr
- sport24.com
- myfreesport.fr

- welovetennis.fr (for tennis fans)

Joee
Sep 11th, 2008, 04:24 PM
Marion is ready to play in Tokyo : http://www.women365.fr/layout/set/popup/sport/depeches/tokyo-bartoli-en-piste

Hoping she'll have a good draw. Waiting for next information.

I also hope she does well.Pitty she lost to Bammer in USO though.She shall bring her form to Tokyo.
ALLEZ!

bruce goose
Sep 11th, 2008, 05:51 PM
I also hope she does well.Pitty she lost to Bammer in USO though.She shall bring her form to Tokyo.
ALLEZ!MY GOODNESS!Is that Marion in your avatar?:inlove::inlove::inlove: That photo takes away ALL the disappointment that my title,"Marion Attacks Asia...",was rejected...feel MUCH better now:)

Lighter
Sep 11th, 2008, 08:09 PM
As supposed, Marion is inside Linz entry list : http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=14031066&postcount=27

Super_Marion
Sep 11th, 2008, 09:58 PM
She's following pretty much the same path as last year. Tier 1's are a given.

Your feeling that she will contest her position as French number 1 all the way to Quebec if need be, is interesting.

She didnt play Bell Challenge last year, even though she was titleholder.

Alizé Molik
Sep 12th, 2008, 01:31 AM
le titre me fait rire ^^ superbe, lighter :p

I can't wait for Tokio to start now, I really hope Marion will reach a final or something in the indoor season, but i really just hope that she stays healthy and is still playing well for AO next year so not another first round loss!

and that article was really great, finally explaining why she didn't play as well at the start of this year and such. also the picture of her is beautiful there.

bruce goose
Sep 12th, 2008, 02:03 AM
le titre me fait rire ^^ superbe, lighter :p

I can't wait for Tokio to start now, I really hope Marion will reach a final or something in the indoor season, but i really just hope that she stays healthy and is still playing well for AO next year so not another first round loss!

also the picture of her is beautiful there.Glad to see you can laugh although I'm sorry that half of your name's amalgam,Alicia Molik,announced her retirement.Alicia had her moment that CAN'T be taken away from her when she won a medal for Australia at the Athens Games.She seemed like the type who could plop down on the couch with you and watch Aussie Rules Football while loving every minute of it(and I mean that in the PLATONIC sense in case there are any jealous readers of this post...hint,hint;))Alicia never faced :hearts:Marion:hearts: in singles but I get the sense that she and our Queen would have hit it off fairly well as doubles partners or practice-hitting friends.:)

Lighter
Sep 12th, 2008, 07:26 AM
le titre me fait rire ^^ superbe, lighter :p

I can't wait for Tokio to start now, I really hope Marion will reach a final or something in the indoor season, but i really just hope that she stays healthy and is still playing well for AO next year so not another first round loss!

and that article was really great, finally explaining why she didn't play as well at the start of this year and such. also the picture of her is beautiful there.I also imagined : From Tokyo hotel to Austrian waltz, the last waltz, 2008 final countdown,........

Iceland
Sep 12th, 2008, 07:54 AM
She's following pretty much the same path as last year. Tier 1's are a given.

Your feeling that she will contest her position as French number 1 all the way to Quebec if need be, is interesting.

She didnt play Bell Challenge last year, even though she was titleholder.
I wonder how successful she will be this year... She has the game to do extremely well indoors. Her flat strokes, her power and her accuracy will take another dimension, she will be even harder to beat I would say. :) I remember that last year when Marion had to retire against Tatiana in Zurich, Tati said that she was really struggling with Marion's powerful strokes on this surface, she didn't allow her to construct her game!

I think that Marion should particularly focus on Tokyo (normal hard court I would say), Zurich and Linz. This is where she should have the most expectations. I wouldn't mind if she skips Moscow I have to say, the surface there is really terrible. It is too slow and Marion will tire herself a lot to stay aggressive all the time which is the key part of her game. Hence the fact that Stuttgart and Moscow were the only disappointing results in last year's fall - I forget about Kolkata on purpose ^^.

She might indeed add Québec or ask for a WC there but only if she didn't play well before I would say or to gain points before YEC if by miracle she is still close to qualify :p.

Super_Marion
Sep 12th, 2008, 12:33 PM
I think that Marion should particularly focus on Tokyo (normal hard court I would say)
I understand it's fast and low like USO.

For sure Marion can win an indoor title this autunm/winter. With no wind to contend with, it lends well to line accuracy. :)

Lighter
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:07 AM
Marion is not seeded this time :

(6) Agnieszka Radwanska (POL) - (WC) Aiko Nakamura (JPN)
Maria Kirilenko (RUS) - Marion Bartoli (FRA)
Q - Nadia Petrova (RUS)
(2) Ana Ivanovic (SRB) - bye

Draw not so easy. But she has no choice. Except Williams sisters, all the best players are in Tokyo.

First mission : To defeat Maria Kirilenko

Marionated
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:10 AM
I think Marion can at least get to the quarters with that draw.

Lighter
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:33 AM
I prefer this draw compared to Alizé or Amélie's ones. Kirilenko is a good player, but Marion, now, must defeat her.

bruce goose
Sep 14th, 2008, 01:56 PM
I prefer this draw compared to Alizé or Amélie's ones. Kirilenko is a good player, but Marion, now, must defeat her.You've already correctly stated that there ARE no easy paths to advance deeply in this draw.I'm NOT gonna make any editorial comments about Kirilenko:help: except to say that she's been losing in the 1st Round of virtually EVERY tourney lately.Yes,she IS talented but she seems to lack intensity and focus much of the time.I suspect that Makiri gets distracted during matches by worrying over whether or not she remembered to pack her favorite stuffed animal for the trip.:hearts:Marion is 3-1 lifetime H2H though 2 of those wins came via injury retirement....I wonder if these stunning European gals will share a kiss at the net following the match:inlove::inlove:.......

....Oops,got distracted there for a moment....I won't look any further than the following round at this stage.I'd classify Nakamura's odds of beating Radwanska as 'remote',which means that Aga would be Marion's 2nd-round foe.She's NOT overpowering but she is IMPRESSIVELY poised for her teenage years and often shows good game management.H2H???She came back from an opening-set bagel to stomp Marion in Stuttgart in 2007...0-6,6-2,6-1...and then won in straights in Eastbourne this year.Marion MIGHT be able to power her off the court yet it'll require fit health and accurate hitting from our Corsican/French Queen:hearts::hearts::hearts:

Iceland
Sep 14th, 2008, 04:16 PM
Well that's a tough draw. If Marion plays well, she should indeed overpower Kirilenko quite easily. Anyway I can't be objective when it comes to this Russian girl. I have never seen any talent in her, for me, she lacks power, inspiration and consistency. She has only been good in Tier IV this year so she shouldn't give Marion much trouble.

Then Aga ... This is true talent. But we'll see that a bit later. Each match at a time (but I believe in Marion's chances to take the title ;)). Marion is fresh and motivated in this last part of 2008 unlike Ana, Jelena or Dinara who seem mentally pretty tired...

Super_Marion
Sep 15th, 2008, 06:20 AM
I wonder if these stunning European gals will share a kiss at the net following the match:inlove::inlove:
:fiery::fiery::fiery::fiery::fiery::fiery:

bruce goose
Sep 15th, 2008, 06:52 AM
:fiery::fiery::fiery::fiery::fiery::fiery::smooch: You ignored ALL of the tennis-related comments and only focused on THAT?:lol: Ohhh,jealousy....You should KNOW that I'm too old to chase those young gals around....Plus they would never attack me in the same exciting,invigorating manner that YOU do:)....Enjoy :hearts:Marion:hearts: and her Tokyo tennis,Sugar Buns:hug::wavey:

Super_Marion
Sep 15th, 2008, 07:40 AM
Dont go there. The Lisicki net pic was bad enough. :crying2:

Anyway, let's hope Makiri has a few photo shoots booked for Wednesday, in Europe.

I totally agree with Iceland. Sorry to JimM, but Makiri strikes me as a disinterested player.

She has won 4 titles this year, but has still managed to fall about 10 places in the rankings since May.

Lighter
Sep 15th, 2008, 09:49 AM
Marion will play tomorrow at 11:00 am - Court 2

Order of play here : http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/3/global/includes/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/1/global/Pdfs/events/2008/tokyo1_draws.pdf

Super_Marion
Sep 15th, 2008, 08:19 PM
Marion will play tomorrow at 11:00 am - Court 2

Order of play here : http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/3/global/includes/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/1/global/Pdfs/events/2008/tokyo1_draws.pdf

:yeah:

will you be :zzz: ?

Lighter
Sep 15th, 2008, 08:35 PM
:yeah:

will you be :zzz: ?I guess I'll sleep : 4 am in France. But if I'll wake up, why not. And you ?

Court 2 : certainly no livestream

Super_Marion
Sep 15th, 2008, 08:57 PM
Dial up: Certainly no livestream.

Novemeber: Broadband :)

I will remain awake, or get three hours sleep.

bruce goose
Sep 15th, 2008, 09:05 PM
I will remain awake, or get three hours sleep.:hug: Such faithful self-denial....I think that our Queen Marion,if healthy,will reward you with a strong match:)

Schnyderfreak
Sep 15th, 2008, 09:29 PM
Good luck against Makiri today Marion.!!!
Do your best and play your normal game and she's yours to beat!!!
okay Agniezka is a different story but let's get there first by beating Kirilenko which is definitely possible , just fight like hell!!!

Lighter
Sep 15th, 2008, 09:40 PM
She's the only one not on the official photo. As the match will start soon, I'm sure she left the ceremony in order to sleep.
http://www.toray-ppo.co.jp/web/pc/photo_gallery/0915/images/0915_002.jpg

The only photo I found with Marion

Super_Marion
Sep 15th, 2008, 09:47 PM
Maybe she just didnt want to be there.

She's waering black and white again :)

Lighter
Sep 15th, 2008, 09:52 PM
Maybe she just didnt want to be there.

She's waering black and white again :)Still black and white wearing. And she sleeps in a Tokyo hôtel.

Super_Marion
Sep 15th, 2008, 09:52 PM
:hug: Such faithful self-denial....I think that our Queen Marion,if healthy,will reward you with a strong match:) She's a "strong girl." She "can go far."

If Marion can jet-lag her way round the world beating Chakky Sugi and Lindsay and everyone, then I should at least stay awake to record her progress :)

Super_Marion
Sep 15th, 2008, 09:57 PM
Still black and white wearing. And she sleeps in a Tokyo hôtel.
I do like Japanese things. They are creative and innovative like Walter.

Walter and Marion would make great characters for Anime, and Dollfie.

:)

I WANT A SUPER MARION SUPER DOLLFIE. With replica Prince Ozone of course :bounce:

Super_Marion
Sep 15th, 2008, 10:01 PM
Good luck against Makiri today Marion.!!!
Do your best and play your normal game and she's yours to beat!!!
okay Agniezka is a different story but let's get there first by beating Kirilenko which is definitely possible , just fight like hell!!!
Good to see you're not the type of guy swayed by blondie fluttering her eyelids. :ras:

bruce goose
Sep 15th, 2008, 10:10 PM
She's a "strong girl." She "can go far."

If Marion can jet-lag her way round the world beating Chakky Sugi and Lindsay and everyone, then I should at least stay awake to record her progress :):smooch: Well,I'm glad you're so committed and I don't take your loyalty for granted,Sugar Buns.I doubt that Marion does,either:)

Super_Marion
Sep 15th, 2008, 10:33 PM
:smooch: Well,I'm glad you're so committed and I don't take your loyalty for granted,Sugar Buns.I doubt that Marion does,either:)
I'm having Tea and dried Dates. :wavey:: It's a common habit of mine lol. No milk or sugar. Just strong and hot.

What does everyone else here do to keep awake? Coffee?

bruce goose
Sep 15th, 2008, 10:39 PM
What does everyone else here do to keep awake? Coffee?It'll only be 8 p.m. in Estado Chihuahua when Marion's match starts,so that gives me a big advantage in this respect

Super_Marion
Sep 15th, 2008, 10:44 PM
Oh yeah lol. But there must be matches that take place when it is the wee small hours in your location.

bruce goose
Sep 15th, 2008, 10:50 PM
Oh yeah lol. But there must be matches that take place when it is the wee small hours in your location.It depends;if Marion were facing Julie Coin;),then I'd just get my rest and catch the score in the morning.If it's a BIG match,then I simply set my alarm for the hour.I haven't been a sound sleeper since my brain-trauma-causing accident a few years back so Marion's drama is enough to keep me awake:)

Super_Marion
Sep 15th, 2008, 11:48 PM
I haven't been a sound sleeper since my brain-trauma-causing accident a few years back

AHA!! So that's why you have so few sexual inhibitions!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

bruce goose
Sep 16th, 2008, 12:02 AM
AHA!! So that's why you have so few sexual inhibitions!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:Perhaps you're right;when you've been nose-to-nose with Death and spent six days in a coma,then you might be less likely than most people to worry about small things...such as what others think of you.I'm sure that I sometimes take it too far but I'd never be disrespectful with Marion or any other player if we met face-to-face.Apparently I'm not a COMPLETE savage yet:lol: cuz I still have refined taste in special beauty such as Marion's:)

Super_Marion
Sep 16th, 2008, 12:19 AM
Perhaps you're right;when you've been nose-to-nose with Death and spent six days in a coma,then you might be less likely than most people to worry about small things...such as what others think of you.

Ahh but you miss the point. You see, sometimes people have brain trauma can become socially disinhibited, or sexually disinhibited, or their libido can go into overdrive! :help:


I'm sure that I sometimes take it too far but I'd never be disrespectful with Marion or any other player if we met face-to-face.Apparently I'm not a COMPLETE savage yet:lol: cuz I still have refined taste in special beauty such as Marion's:) you're ok :hug:

:fiery:

:hug:

bruce goose
Sep 16th, 2008, 12:33 AM
Ahh but you miss the point. You see, sometimes people have brain trauma can become socially disinhibited, or sexually disinhibited, or their libido can go into overdrive! :help:


you're ok :hug:

:fiery:

:hug:Well,'Super M',I wasn't aware of that medical finding;);however,I DO respect women deep down even if the appearance of my words sometimes suggests otherwise.The fact that I NEVER look at porno and prefer,instead,the elegant beauty of Marion:hearts:,and other graceful queens,suggests that I haven't completely lost my humanity:angel:....My wildest fantasy right now is relatively tame:To watch Marion from my couch as she wins a Grand Slam...with a sassy,Scottish gal on my lap who is primed and ready for some lip-smothering smooching when our Marion takes the title.:yeah:

Super_Marion
Sep 16th, 2008, 12:52 AM
:fiery: :fiery:

Super_Marion
Sep 16th, 2008, 01:05 AM
i'm so sweepy :zzz:

bruce goose
Sep 16th, 2008, 01:14 AM
:fiery: :fiery::angel: I like NON-Saltirists:hug:

Super_Marion
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:14 AM
:angel: I like NON-Saltirists:hug::lol:



well Aga and Aiko are underway, but MB and MK not up on scoreboard yet.

bruce goose
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:22 AM
:lol:



well Aga and Aiko are underway, but MB and MK not up on scoreboard yet.I have a good friend who lives in Poland and we communicate via Messenger.Poles have nicknamed Radwanska 'Isia' because that is,apparently,a more traditional Polish name.Nothing against Nakamura,but she was FORTUNATE to get a wildcard into this tough draw;her role right here is that of Crash Test Dummy or scrimmage partner.

Let's hope that there's simply a brief delay as opposed to another scoreboard malfunction.Marion-Makiri likely offers more competitiveness than the other match

Super_Marion
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:36 AM
Looks like rain. Centre Court probably has a roof. Maybe they'll switch the Marion Makiri match to senter court.

It could be hours or it could be minutes before match starts.

Super_Marion
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:56 AM
Names up on board lol I was jsut going to hit the locker-room too.

Super_Marion
Sep 16th, 2008, 03:55 AM
mARION TAKES FIRST SET 6-2.

a TERRIFIC BREAK FROM 15-40 DOWN FOR 3-1, AND THEN CLINCHED THE SET BY BREAKING MAKIRI AGAIN :)

bruce goose
Sep 16th, 2008, 04:38 AM
Well,there's always a mild sense of disapointment when Makiri churns out yet another 1st-round tourney loss....It's sorta like seeing a beautiful:hearts: bird with bright colors fly away;the moments seem oh so fleeting....HowEVER,she really has NO place in the latter rounds of a big event and :hearts:Marion:hearts: DOES.Only ONE break point in the ENTIRE MATCH:bounce::bounce::bounce: Though she lost that one,she made up for it with NUMEROUS service breaks of her own....NICE consistency!:D

NOW this is where we put aside the prelim quality and get into the heavy stuff.Aggie-Rad is next and Marion WON'T have to worry about a power attack but she WILL need to play smart vs. the capricious Polish phenom....Let's see how Marion handles this troublesome opponent....VAMOS,MARION!:hearts::hearts::hearts:

Super_Marion
Sep 16th, 2008, 04:38 AM
Baba wins 6-2 6-2.

Up 4-0, she had a wee wobble closing out, but took the 2ns set 6-2.

Lighter
Sep 16th, 2008, 05:22 AM
As expected, an easy win. Marion must be focused on her match vs Aga. In Stuttgart she bagelled her in first set. And in Eastbourne, she leaded in 1st set before a loss.

She's not tired. It could be a good match.

Bartoli's Boy
Sep 16th, 2008, 05:33 AM
I love it when Marion gives someone a real beatdown! :drool: lol.

Iceland
Sep 16th, 2008, 07:18 AM
Me too!!! I couldn't have asked for better beatdown. No chances to the Russian girl. :drool:

Good to see that what we thought about this match came true. A good Marion has everything to crush her and voilà, job done! Congrats Marion, very positive win. :yeah::hearts: If she could just increase her first serve percentage in the next match, it would be awesome.

Now comes a real test. Aga is really a tough one, Marion surely knows what to expect about her. Aga will surely try to move her a lot with her favourite combination of dropshot/lob and her accurate shots. If she serves well she will have a big chance about getting through. Aga's serve isn't sparkling about whereas Marion's can be gorgeous. As a Marionette, I will be on her side and I even believe that she will win it. :) I want her big shots from left to right with superb angles to prevail!

On a side-note I have just realized that Marion is a real globtrotter titles wise. She won a tournament in Australia, Asia & America. Europe is missing :awww:. Funny because this is where there are the most tournaments!

Joee
Sep 16th, 2008, 12:19 PM
MY GOODNESS!Is that Marion in your avatar?:inlove::inlove::inlove: That photo takes away ALL the disappointment that my title,"Marion Attacks Asia...",was rejected...feel MUCH better now:)

yup thats Marion!
Radwanska next!She can win...and defo Super Marion she can win an indoor.
Allez MaRiOn!

bruce goose
Sep 16th, 2008, 02:23 PM
Well I kinda like this matchup in ONE sense because,unlike with Makiri:drool:,I won't get distracted at all while cheering for Queen Marion:hearts:.Aga is fairly cute but there's no big risk of getting sidetracked by her;my BIG concern is that we'll need the CONSISTENT Marion,NOT the mercurial one;),to enjoy a victory here.As we saw with Davenport at the USO,Marion IS capable of this.:)

Super_Marion
Sep 16th, 2008, 10:52 PM
Marion is much prettier than Kirilenko in my view.

bruce goose
Sep 16th, 2008, 11:01 PM
Marion is much prettier than Kirilenko in my view.Ultimately,where Marion ranks relative to another woman,beauty-wise,doesn't affect my fanship for her.My affection is based on who she is as a person,and the wrinkles that are induced by aging have NO bearing on that.

I enjoy Makiri on a very simple level as a ray of lovely sunshine,but her tennis is QUITE uninspiring.Marion is a beautiful gal yet she has other qualities that make you want to cheer for her strongly when she is in a heated battle on the court.That's the best way that I can describe the difference.:wavey:

Super_Marion
Sep 17th, 2008, 02:35 PM
Ultimately,where Marion ranks relative to another woman,beauty-wise,doesn't affect my fanship for her.My affection is based on who she is as a person,and the wrinkles that are induced by aging have NO bearing on that.

I enjoy Makiri on a very simple level as a ray of lovely sunshine,but her tennis is QUITE uninspiring.Marion is a beautiful gal yet she has other qualities that make you want to cheer for her strongly when she is in a heated battle on the court.That's the best way that I can describe the difference.:wavey:

I know. It's just boring to see page after page of adoration for the other girls, the usual suspects. And then you doing the same thing with that Maria Kirilenko.

Such as took place in the Tokyo pics thread in GM. So that's why I felt I should just what I feel.

Lighter
Sep 17th, 2008, 02:50 PM
Marion will play on center court after Alizé's match : http://www.toray-ppo.co.jp/web/pc/english/scoreboard/

bruce goose
Sep 17th, 2008, 03:46 PM
I know. It's just boring to see page after page of adoration for the other girls, the usual suspects. And then you doing the same thing with that Maria Kirilenko.

Such as took place in the Tokyo pics thread in GM. So that's why I felt I should just what I feel.Fair enough....Just because hordes of mindless idiots drool over Makiri doesn't mean that she's not legitimately lovely.The BEST thing one can say about her,from an INFORMED perspective,is that she's a surprisingly sweet,approachable human being...sort of rare for a beautiful gal.......However,Marion is MUCH more interesting and deserving of true fanship.Her LOYAL fans won't be distracted by ANYbody,regardless of appearance,and the fair-weather type aren't worth keeping around since they only take up space.I'd venture to say that :hearts:Marion:hearts: has a good-sized mob of people supporting her.:)

I'm a little surprised that you spend much time in GM considering how stupid,ignorant posturing tends to annoy you.;)

bruce goose
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:40 AM
Oh boy,Marionettes,I wish that I could give you some keener insight on the match but I only have statistics and can't comment as to whether Marion was injured,Radwanska played a great match,or some other possibility.

The numbers:Bartoli 5 DFs,Radwanska 0
Bartoli 55% 1st serves,Radwanska 79%
Radwanska 60% 2nd serve points won,Bartoli 40%
Bartoli 1/3 break points,Radwanska 4/9
6-2,6-3 Match duration 1:19...now 0-3 H2H vs. Radwanska with each match being less competitive than the previous one.

I'll eventually excavate some reason for being optimistic but right now it's almost midnight in Estado Chihuahua and my mind needs to slumber peacefully so that I'm less tempted to crack someone in the skull with a lead pipe.May all of you Marionettes worldwide find rest for your weary souls tomorrow.Nos vemos:wavey:

Marionated
Sep 18th, 2008, 06:02 AM
:fiery: Marion's serve has become far too inconsistent.

Iceland
Sep 18th, 2008, 07:41 AM
Not really the match I predicted. I expected a three-setters and I find a beatdown at Marion's expenses :sad:.
It seems like Aga has perfectly understood how she should play Marion. I'm only surprised at her stats on her serve, she just lost 1 break. Disappointing for Marion's standards since Aga is not really a great server.

Well too bad. Hope she will find her game for the next tournaments. At the moment she hasn't committed to Québec BTW.
On a side-note, Marion hasn't beaten any top 20 players this year except Anna Chakvetadze (twice). She may feel stronger than last year but it's not visible on paper. :o

Bartoli's Boy
Sep 18th, 2008, 08:09 AM
Argh, not the news I wanted to wake up to. :awww:

I fear that Radwanska will really have gotten into Marion's head now. She really could have done with a win against her. :sad:

Lighter
Sep 18th, 2008, 09:35 AM
After Schiavone, Wozniacki, ......Radwanska.

Only 36% on 1st return points won when Aga reaches 79% of 1st serve.

Waiting for Stuttgart now.

Super_Marion
Sep 18th, 2008, 10:33 AM
Aga was churning out service games in not much more than 60 seconds. Marion had hardly time to catch her breath before she had to defend her serve again.

Lighter
Sep 18th, 2008, 01:00 PM
On my opinion, Marion must be very upset. Not enough 1st serves, no ace and too many DF at very important momentS.

Hope she'll have a better draw in Stuttgart.

bruce goose
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:48 PM
Marionettes,I won't make any apologies for adoring Dementieva also,and I bring this up partly because both of these elegant,lovely players are classy and personable despite having beauty that makes women of low character arrogant.The OTHER relevant comparison stems from Elena's struggle to overcome the stigma of 'not winning the big one' by taking Olympic gold.I mention THIS cuz Marion is a couple years YOUNGER than Elena and I'm clinging to hope that Marion will make her eventual huge breakthrough,as Elena did,if she just keeps battling...which I'm sure she will.As Beijing was,seeing :hearts:Marion:hearts: bask in this moment will be WONDROUS.:)

Marionated
Sep 18th, 2008, 04:41 PM
Not really the match I predicted. I expected a three-setters and I find a beatdown at Marion's expenses :sad:.
It seems like Aga has perfectly understood how she should play Marion. I'm only surprised at her stats on her serve, she just lost 1 break. Disappointing for Marion's standards since Aga is not really a great server.

Well too bad. Hope she will find her game for the next tournaments. At the moment she hasn't committed to Québec BTW.
On a side-note, Marion hasn't beaten any top 20 players this year except Anna Chakvetadze (twice). She may feel stronger than last year but it's not visible on paper. :o

:sad: but completley true. She needs to start getting some good wins.

I think Marion struggles against players that make her hit that one extra shot and don't make a lot of errors (e.g. Radwanska, Wozniacki)but as good as she is no way should Radwanska have been holding serve that easily (and winning 60% of the points behind her 68mph second serves- Marion doesn't know how to return anymore :o)

Also, why is she playing Stuttgart?!! They play on a very slow court there- Marion's game is not suited to that surface at all, hence her terrible record at the AO.

Super_Marion
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:07 PM
On my opinion, Marion must be very upset. Not enough 1st serves, no ace and too many DF at very important momentS.

Hope she'll have a better draw in Stuttgart.And we share that sense of disappointment alongside her.

However, Marion has had some good wins this past three months. So she hasnt beaten current top 20 players. But apart from Radwanska she hasnt played any unless you include Cibulkova.

She has beaten Sugi twice. A player she's lost to five times before. She beat Lindsay in America in a Slam. another new landmark, and enjoyed many other good wins.

Getting Radwanska was an unfortunate draw. There are a lot of other top 10 players who are a better match up now for Marion than Aga.

Iceland
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:36 PM
I have just watched the 2nd set of her match, first time I see her since Stanford final.

It was pretty close actually, Aga was just defending too well and didn't give Marion enough free points. Marion played her 2007 game, hitting with more spin, she finally got her CC angles back :D. On the other side, she never went down the line :o. It's incredible how she can modify her game, if you look at how she was playing in IW, you wouldn't recognize her. I really prefer her style now. :yeah:
Another positive point : she looks really fit now, she moves very well, can defend well too and doesn't hit UE early in a rally :).

Bad points :
- clearly forgot that returning was her best shot. She barely entered the court today, didn't take the ball early enough on return. Always played in the middle when she wanted to be aggressive. Really strange that she changed this. It's a good thing on first serve I think but she should really go for it on the 2nd.
- didn't take enough risks when she had a short ball. Once again she used to take it a bit earlier before. She wasted a couple of opportunities, I guess she didn't want to commit UE. Maybe it was part of her gameplan against Aga.

Overall I'm not disappointed at all. Marion looks stronger, she found back her real style, the one that led her to top 10. Serve looks better than in 2007 as well. She only has to find her rhythm on return, I would say this is why she lost today. Too kind on return.

Let's see how it will work on the other tournaments, she can really do well. The only thing she has to take care is staying aggressive, if not she just looks like a solid top 30 player whereas she is truely capable of more. But she is really on the right way. Allez Marion :yeah:.

bruce goose
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:45 PM
Thanks for the detailed report,Iceland:hatoff:;I feel much better learning the positives of her game.It's hard to get non-Slam tennis down here without an illegal dish.Everyone wants to watch stupid,boring soccer so we can't see Queens such as Marion.:o

Lighter
Sep 18th, 2008, 06:15 PM
I have just watched the 2nd set of her match, first time I see her since Stanford final.

It was pretty close actually, Aga was just defending too well and didn't give Marion enough free points. Marion played her 2007 game, hitting with more spin, she finally got her CC angles back :D. On the other side, she never went down the line :o. It's incredible how she can modify her game, if you look at how she was playing in IW, you wouldn't recognize her. I really prefer her style now. :yeah:
Another positive point : she looks really fit now, she moves very well, can defend well too and doesn't hit UE early in a rally :).

Bad points :
- clearly forgot that returning was her best shot. She barely entered the court today, didn't take the ball early enough on return. Always played in the middle when she wanted to be aggressive. Really strange that she changed this. It's a good thing on first serve I think but she should really go for it on the 2nd.
- didn't take enough risks when she had a short ball. Once again she used to take it a bit earlier before. She wasted a couple of opportunities, I guess she didn't want to commit UE. Maybe it was part of her gameplan against Aga.

Overall I'm not disappointed at all. Marion looks stronger, she found back her real style, the one that led her to top 10. Serve looks better than in 2007 as well. She only has to find her rhythm on return, I would say this is why she lost today. Too kind on return.

Let's see how it will work on the other tournaments, she can really do well. The only thing she has to take care is staying aggressive, if not she just looks like a solid top 30 player whereas she is truely capable of more. But she is really on the right way. Allez Marion :yeah:.As you, I just watched 2nd set. I agree with your analyse. She was aggressive on return only for 1st MP and she won the point. At 4-3 for Aga, Marion to serve, 1 DF + 2 superbs points from Aga + 1 DF : Marion broken. It's over. She made too many faults, but she moved very well. At a moment, her father was really upset.
Aga found superb angles with her forehand. Despite the score, there isn't a so big gap between them.

We have to wait for Stuttgart draw now.

Iceland
Sep 19th, 2008, 08:58 AM
Yes, I saw it once! I think this was when she missed an easy volley on FH. It was at this very close game when she could have consolidated her game.
I agree with you as well, the difference of level was not so big. It's just that at this game of patience, Aga was better & above all more consistent. Too bad that she couldn't compete with Nadia today, it just shows the importance of being aggressive when you play Aga.

Lighter
Sep 20th, 2008, 03:34 PM
Results are so strange. Nadia easily defeated Aga. And Nadia lost to Dinara in two straight sets.

Marion should be more agressive in Stuttgart as Nadia was versus Aga.

bruce goose
Sep 20th, 2008, 03:43 PM
Results are so strange. Nadia easily defeated Aga. And Nadia lost to Dinara in two straight sets.

Marion should be more agressive in Stuttgart as Nadia was versus Aga.I disagree with ONE element of what you said in mentioning Dinara's victory over Nadia.Only the devastating scoreline was strange because Dinara has taken her game to the next level,so to speak.All of her five losses to Nadia preceded this season where Safina has broken through,and she apparently wanted to clarify that by annihilating her former tormentor,as she did with Henin and Serena in Berlin.The SW scoreline was closer,yet even some Serena fans have admitted that Dinara dominated that match after the 1st set.It's asynchronous to compare Marion's match with the Safina-Petrova,though I DO agree with you that :hearts:Marion:hearts: needs to attack weak serves and returns more

Super_Marion
Sep 21st, 2008, 05:21 PM
Like I said on another forum, sometimes ranking isnt as important as how one players game matches up gainst another players game on a like for like, one to one basis.

Aga took the patient approach at Eastbourne too.

bruce goose
Sep 21st, 2008, 10:59 PM
Like I said on another forum, sometimes ranking isnt as important as how one players game matches up gainst another players game on a like for like, one to one basis.

Though I'm not sure whether you meant THIS or something else,sometimes statistics can 'lie'.Nadia was 5-0 career H2H vs. Dinara going into the semi.If you ONLY looked at the raw numbers,then you might say that Nadia was the favorite.However,as the result proved,only an IDIOT should've bet money on Petrova to win that match because all of her 5 previous victories were vs. the "old" version of Dinara

Myggen
Sep 23rd, 2008, 07:34 AM
Though I'm not sure whether you meant THIS or something else,sometimes statistics can 'lie'.Nadia was 5-0 career H2H vs. Dinara going into the semi.If you ONLY looked at the raw numbers,then you might say that Nadia was the favorite.However,as the result proved,only an IDIOT should've bet money on Petrova to win that match because all of her 5 previous victories were vs. the "old" version of Dinara

I actually put money on Petrova for this match and I'm not an idiot :).

bruce goose
Sep 23rd, 2008, 11:44 AM
I actually put money on Petrova for this match and I'm not an idiot :).Sorry:eek:,I was just embellishing for effect with the 'idiot' comment...though I DO think you could've spent your money more wisely;)

Super_Marion
Sep 23rd, 2008, 11:43 PM
Though I'm not sure whether you meant THIS or something else,sometimes statistics can 'lie'.Nadia was 5-0 career H2H vs. Dinara going into the semi.If you ONLY looked at the raw numbers,then you might say that Nadia was the favorite.However,as the result proved,only an IDIOT should've bet money on Petrova to win that match because all of her 5 previous victories were vs. the "old" version of Dinara

No I was referring to the semi between Nadia and Aga.

bruce goose
Sep 24th, 2008, 02:38 AM
No I was referring to the semi between Nadia and Aga.Don't be a stranger,you lovely Marionette!:smooch::wavey:

Super_Marion
Sep 24th, 2008, 04:07 PM
Don't be a stranger,you lovely Marionette!:smooch::wavey:Sorry :wazzup: :hug:

You know, I had a dream about the Murray brothers and Alex Bogdanovic lastnight... :eek:

bruce goose
Sep 24th, 2008, 04:40 PM
Sorry :wazzup: :hug:

You know, I had a dream about the Murray brothers and Alex Bogdanovic lastnight... :eek:Why do you suppose Bogdanovic found a place in your dream;was he Marion's boyfriend at some point?

Super_Marion
Sep 24th, 2008, 10:34 PM
Why do you suppose Bogdanovic found a place in your dream;was he Marion's boyfriend at some point?
No it wasnt that I think. Actually I cant remember what role Bogdanovic played. But Jamie and Andy where having a laugh in the locker area. I didnt see the joke though. You see, they where playing a kinda tug of war with two t-shirts. They where blue t-shirts, and had the white Saltire cross on them.

What I coul;dnt understand was why they where tearing these t-shirts to shreds and laughing. Especially Andy, who is meant to an ultra-patriotic Scot.

So I think I said my peice and left. They just looked at me. Next I knew was that Judy Murray (mom) wanted to arrange to meet me for a coffee and chat the following day. I think to get to the bottowm of it all and smooth things over.

The dream never reached the next day.

I dont know what role I was playing. I mean who was I meant to be? A player? A journalist? A girlfriend? A Sandwich??? Who knows....

bruce goose
Sep 24th, 2008, 10:43 PM
I dont know what role I was playing. I mean who was I meant to be? A player? A journalist? A girlfriend? A Sandwich??? Who knows....Sounds like Bogdanovic was almost a non-entity,indicating low importance level.As for YOU,you couldn't have been the girlfriend otherwise your boyfriend/lover would've been blonde,blue-eyed and Mexican:kiss::kiss::kiss:;)....Gotta head out to my evening class so I'll chat with you tomorrow.Get your beauty sleep,Sugar Buns!:wavey:

Super_Marion
Sep 24th, 2008, 11:16 PM
Sounds like Bogdanovic was almost a non-entity,indicating low importance level.As for YOU,you couldn't have been the girlfriend otherwise your boyfriend/lover would've been blonde,blue-eyed and Mexican:kiss::kiss::kiss:;)....Gotta head out to my evening class so I'll chat with you tomorrow.Get your beauty sleep,Sugar Buns!:wavey: at the Walter Bartoli tennis academy? :yeah:

Enjoy :)

Super_Marion
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:58 PM
Infinion lives in Stuttgart. Need to drop him a line, see if he's going.

Lighter
Sep 28th, 2008, 02:51 PM
What a draw ?

Zvonareva vs. Hantuchova
Ciblukova vs. Bartoli
Daniiledou vs. Bondarenko
Bye vs. Jankovic

Marion : remember Montreal !!!!

bruce goose
Sep 28th, 2008, 03:02 PM
What a draw ?

Zvonareva vs. Hantuchova
Ciblukova vs. Bartoli
Daniiledou vs. Bondarenko
Bye vs. Jankovic

Marion : remember Montreal !!!!Lighter,you're supposed to use an exclamation point with this expression instead of a question mark;you'd put,"What a draw!!!".......but you're absolutely right on the important point in that there aren't many 'weak spots' in this draw.On the surface,someone might consider Daniilidou an easy opponent due to her absence from WTA events...yet maybe she has re-captured her old form on the ITF circuit(???).I'm not gonna hate it if a Williams girl wins--even though MARION is our unquestioned priority--I just hope that the sisters don't meet in the final cuz they always half-ass it when they meet in non-Slam tourneys(even in the Slams when they were younger).If we can get a good livestream,then we'll see some EXCELLENT tennis in Stuttgart

Lighter
Sep 28th, 2008, 04:17 PM
Lighter,you're supposed to use an exclamation point with this expression instead of a question mark;you'd put,"What a draw!!!".......but you're absolutely right on the important point in that there aren't many 'weak spots' in this draw.On the surface,someone might consider Daniilidou an easy opponent due to her absence from WTA events...yet maybe she has re-captured her old form on the ITF circuit(???).I'm not gonna hate it if a Williams girl wins--even though MARION is our unquestioned priority--I just hope that the sisters don't meet in the final cuz they always half-ass it when they meet in non-Slam tourneys(even in the Slams when they were younger).If we can get a good livestream,then we'll see some EXCELLENT tennis in StuttgartMarion crushes Makiri who won week after Seoul. I wish her to defeat Domi in order to forget Montreal semi and all the events around this match.

She must do it.

bruce goose
Sep 28th, 2008, 05:38 PM
Marion crushes Makiri who won week after Seoul. I wish her to defeat Domi in order to forget Montreal semi and all the events around this match.

She must do it.Well,unless Marion has slept with half the Spanish Davis Cup Team like other players who are striving to gratify Spain's ENTIRE roster before 2009 arrives(HIGHLY unlikely with our Queen Marion:hearts:),she'll be VERY focused on this match with Cibulkova.If Marion's back is 100%,then she'll be able to dispatch Cibu as she's done before.Thanks to the previous victory,there shouldn't be ANY mental block or confidence crisis over the Montreal loss,and you might agree that it's better to face 'Domi' early in the tourney where Marion will have more stamina to run a bit when necessary.:)

Super_Marion
Sep 29th, 2008, 09:19 AM
Marion crushes Makiri who won week after Seoul. I wish her to defeat Domi in order to forget Montreal semi and all the events around this match.

She must do it.

Remember, "Was I supposed to take the tournament referee, push him up against the wall, and tell him no, you will put us on center court!"

:armed:

Classic Marion.

Lighter
Sep 29th, 2008, 10:05 AM
Opening ceremony, Marion is easy to find :

http://www.porsche-tennis.de/prod/pag/tennis.nsf/resources/gallery_080110/$file/gallery_080110_slide.jpg

Super_Marion
Sep 29th, 2008, 10:43 AM
:yeah: pink nike as always :)

wow, fans have banners there! I have never seen this practice in UK.

Super_Marion
Sep 29th, 2008, 10:48 AM
Marion's hair, I hope she hasnt had it cut.

Iceland
Sep 29th, 2008, 07:35 PM
Marion is on CC tomorrow but in first position. Match won't be on ES obviously.

Don't know what to expect, she has all the weapons required to beat Dominika but I don't feel optimistic about this one. The way she was returning Aga's poor serve doesn't make me feel confident :o. She is playing in the same position as last year, we'll see in she can last physically longer than last year on this slow court. It's really a good test, allez Marion. :D

bruce goose
Sep 29th, 2008, 07:54 PM
Don't know what to expect, she has all the weapons required to beat Dominika but I don't feel optimistic about this one. The way she was returning Aga's poor serve doesn't make me feel confident :o.It's really a good test, allez Marion. :DYeah,Marion is REALLY hard to predict,and I'd say it's partly a female thing.When I watching men's team sports,I find that it's not nearly as difficult to anticipate the result.

Marion doesn't 'space out' per se,but there ARE times when she employs unusual strategy and you wonder,'What in the HECK is she thinking?' ONE nice thing is that you never worry about COMMITMENT when Marion plays.You KNOW that her fighting spirit drives her to win and that she's open to effective means of improvement.:)

Bartoli's Boy
Sep 30th, 2008, 12:47 PM
Wow, Marion absolutely killed her 6-3, 6-1 :worship:

I feel sorry for Dominika but way to go Mar! :bounce: She took the last six games to win the match and her serving was awesome! All the people who used to make fun of her various serving motions are probably keeping quiet these days, hehe.

I just wish Marion could play like this all time, because when you see these kind of matches, you wonder why she isn't winning lots of tournaments...

Lighter
Sep 30th, 2008, 12:55 PM
As Alizé, Domi played Beijing. And they lost in straight sets. Marion took the good decision in avoiding Beijing. That's why she can do the same vs Daniela or Vera.

Iceland
Sep 30th, 2008, 01:04 PM
Marion :aparty:!


She was really inspired to skip Beijing to prepare the indoor tournaments. She looked really fresh, extremely focused and very sharp physically. I'm so impressed by her performance. ES France, by miracle (but it was really a nice surprise) broadcast her match.
Marion started the match pretty well even though she has troubles returning Dominika's serve. She made a couple of mistakes on her serve which even led to giving a BP to her opponent. She could break thanks to a disastrous game from Domi and serve it out. Here we can see all the importance of the first games, Marion stayed really strong when she was pushed at deuce.

The second set is a masterpiece of Miss Marion Bartoli :hearts:. Just awesome. She really rose her level after a little letdown at *0/1 0/30. Since that position she only lost one point on serve!!!! She won a crucial game at 63 31 to break Dominika for the second time. She said it in the interview, her serve was the key, she served well in every direction. She really mixed her areas even though her preference still went to outside lines ;). Thanks to this good start she had many easy shots to play and she never made a tactical mistake. From the baseline she was really solid, with pretty powerful and extremely accurate shots (crosscourt or inside-out). Moved really well too and made good points at the net too :).
Overall 24 winners for 10 UEs, only 1 in the 2nd set :yeah:.

Really it was Marion in her Wimbledon form. She used her serve so well, she was tactically brillant today. She was very happy to win but nice at the net which was great to see :D. Glad to see that she gave up on these terrible flat strokes, she didn't take any useless risks today, everything was in total control which wasn't the case earlier in the year.

Two more things to say : she looks great physically today, I really like her hair cut this way and she is in great shape! Second thing, her return was better today even though she didn't enter the court to return. I think she realized this was a must if she wants to beat big servers. It will have to be improved but she could still hit a couple of return winners today, generating her own power :D. This may be the overall evolution of her game.

Bravo Marion, a fantastic match!!!!!!!! :hearts:

bruce goose
Sep 30th, 2008, 02:26 PM
Can't speak for Marion with any kind of mind-reader type authority,but I was REALLY glad to see her face Domi in the FIRST round.I'd say that it gave Marion a sort of goal:"I'm gonna kick this girl's ass to atone for that last one that I blew against her." She KNEW that she could win,and this became a strong likelihood when she served so well with only ONE break point faced.Also,this sets a good tone for future opponents who have defeated Marion before.She can put tHAT in the past as well as she did the Montreal loss......I'm SOOOO glad that Stuttgart is in Germany and not Mexico so that I can avoid the temptation to 'reward' our French/Corsican queen post-match:kiss::kiss:.......she is SOOOO beautiful when she's strong:hearts::hearts::hearts:....MARION:):):)

Super_Marion
Sep 30th, 2008, 07:20 PM
Long hair or short hair, its still Marion. The most important thing is she won and played excellent.

bruce goose
Sep 30th, 2008, 07:25 PM
I'm gonna miss the long ponytail:sad::sad:(but she COULD grow it back:D).Bottom line,though,is that I want to see :hearts:Marion:hearts: happy and winning.

Iceland
Oct 1st, 2008, 01:04 PM
Marion will play against Vera Zvonareva who, like our princess, took out a Slovakian player pretty easily.
I saw her match and she really played well, very impressive tennis with many great points. She just made more mistakes than Marion but more winners as well. It should make a very interesting encounter, but I'm afraid that the Russian girl looks tougher... She really dominated every rally, Marion will have to take some risks or play tactically smarter than her to prevail. Nice challenge :D!

bruce goose
Oct 1st, 2008, 03:34 PM
Marion will play against Vera Zvonareva who, like our princess, took out a Slovakian player pretty easily.
I saw her match and she really played well, very impressive tennis with many great points. She just made more mistakes than Marion but more winners as well. It should make a very interesting encounter, but I'm afraid that the Russian girl looks tougher... She really dominated every rally, Marion will have to take some risks or play tactically smarter than her to prevail. Nice challenge :D!Indeed,Hantuchova:angel: would've been an easier opponent for Marion(1-3 H2H notwithstanding)IMO.Sometimes Vera can be very easy to beat when she's having one of those conversations with the little people who live in her head,but her rise in ranking shows that those incidents have been infrequent this season.I remember Cincinnati '06 when Serena was just crushing everyone in less than an hour,and Vera KICKED HER ASS in the semis even though SW did NOT have many UEs.She gets a lot of balls back and usually has good stamina;however,Marion:inlove: DOES hold one victory over Vera in a tourney final so there IS some small precedent for our gal.:)

bruce goose
Oct 1st, 2008, 06:44 PM
Marionettes,Serena was defeated a few minutes ago by Na Li,and I have to tip my hat to the victor who fought off triple break point to serve out the match.TECHNICALLY,this was NOT the first case where a Chinese player beat the world #1;that was Jie Zheng at Wimbledon.However,subsequent results have proven that that was NOT a remarkable win by Zheng...not at ALL....THIS win today was impressive.

I'm wondering,folks,does Serena's ouster raise the hopes & enthusiasm of the other players to think,"Hey,I've got a much better chance at this one,"...or is it simply another result in the draw for them?

Super_Marion
Oct 2nd, 2008, 01:14 PM
Commiserations People.

Joee
Oct 2nd, 2008, 01:15 PM
Commiserations People.

It was unlcuky for the birthday girl.She played her best....Vera was playing too well.

Bartoli's Boy
Oct 2nd, 2008, 02:26 PM
I feel terrible for Marion. What an awful birthday present. :sad:

And yet again Marion lays a total beatdown on one player, then is on the receiving end of one in the next round. :confused:

bruce goose
Oct 2nd, 2008, 03:01 PM
Marionettes,I had to teach my morning class and,therefore,couldn't watch the match.On the surface,the statistics indicate a thorough ass-whipping by an in-form Zvonareva.However,I'd appreciate any firsthand match summaries from fans who saw what transpired.Was Marion simply overpowered;did she make a ton of UEs;did she appear physically hindered???Any details would be welcome....I wish I could give Marion a warm,affectionate kiss to cheer her up right now:sad:

Iceland
Oct 2nd, 2008, 04:10 PM
Couldn't see the match and don't want to. :sobbing:
Vera played an awesome match from what I read but it starts to be embarrassing that Marion became the punching ball of all top 10 players.
She has to do something about this return, she only got 2 (missed) BPs today. :tape:

Marionated
Oct 2nd, 2008, 04:12 PM
Vera is definitely a great player who is capable of playng some amazing tennis, so the loss isn't suprisng. The scoreline, however, is very saddening, especially since it's Marion's b-day :sad:

Looking at the stats, it's clear Marion's serve had one of its many off days today. 82% of first serves in the second set but didn't hold once- a big problem. Hopefully Marion has a better run in Moscow.

bruce goose
Oct 2nd, 2008, 04:27 PM
Couldn't see the match and don't want to. :sobbing:
Vera played an awesome match from what I read but it starts to be embarrassing that Marion became the punching ball of all top 10 players.
She has to do something about this return, she only got 2 (missed) BPs today. :tape:It's 'punching BAG',Iceland,but I see your point.I'd STILL like to hear from someone who watched the match cuz it's possible that Marion had a sore ankle or something...not that we want to INVENT excuses where there are none,but it IS possible so I'd like to know.

As for her birthday,I think that Walter will find a way to cheer our beauty:hearts: up.......but who's gonna cheer US up?:sad:

Iceland
Oct 2nd, 2008, 05:24 PM
Thanks :lol: Stupid mistake!
I don't think she was injured, just beaten by a better player ;).

bruce goose
Oct 2nd, 2008, 06:23 PM
Thanks :lol: Stupid mistake!Don't be too hard on yourself.I've forgotten lots of my high-school era French...but I STILL know how to plant a satisfying French kiss on those sassy-tongued Scottish girls;)

Basically,I'm trying to get a grip on whether or not Marion's progressing forward.We KNOW she's improved her serve a lot,but has she cancelled that out by RE-gressing in other areas?I'm just not sure precisely where she stands right now...still beautiful,though:inlove::inlove:

Marionated
Oct 2nd, 2008, 06:41 PM
Don't be too hard on yourself.I've forgotten lots of my high-school era French...but I STILL know how to plant a satisfying French kiss on those sassy-tongued Scottish girls;)

Basically,I'm trying to get a grip on whether or not Marion's progressing forward.We KNOW she's improved her serve a lot,but has she cancelled that out by RE-gressing in other areas?I'm just not sure precisely where she stands right now...still beautiful,though:inlove::inlove:

True. I just managed to catch some of the highlights. The serve wasn't that bad really. The returning was poor though (quite a few netted second serve returns and hitting good but makeable first serves from Vera out). Her groundstrokes were just mediocre today while Vera was really good. Marion just wasn't aggressive enough today. She was never going to beat Vera in this form just hitting groundstrokes with average power on them.

bruce goose
Oct 2nd, 2008, 06:50 PM
True. I just managed to catch some of the highlights. The serve wasn't that bad really. The returning was poor though (quite a few netted second serve returns and hitting good but makeable first serves from Vera out). Her groundstrokes were just mediocre today while Vera was really good. Marion just wasn't aggressive enough today. She was never going to beat Vera in this form just hitting groundstrokes with average power on them.Well,I'm sorry to hear those negatives concerning her performance but that's better than not knowing;thank you for the update!:hatoff:

Super_Marion
Oct 3rd, 2008, 09:05 AM
But it's not easy to generate that kind of power on a slow surface the way that Marion plays. There's a difference between what's make-able in Stanford and what's makeable in Stuttgart.

Super_Marion
Oct 3rd, 2008, 09:12 AM
Don't be too hard on yourself.I've forgotten lots of my high-school era French...but I STILL know how to plant a satisfying French kiss on those sassy-tongued Scottish girls;)
:fiery:

Iceland
Oct 3rd, 2008, 09:13 AM
It's really hard for her to find an effective game on every surface. It would say that she is on the right way but indeed she can't do anything against a player who uses aggressiveness and accuracy. She would have had to play faster than her and her game is a bit too safe right now.
But at least she will find consistency thanks to it :). And then she will make it evolve again :drool:.

bruce goose
Oct 3rd, 2008, 12:05 PM
:fiery:Of COURSE,I'm not some Latino playboy who chases around lots of Scottish gals.Mi carin~a would HAVE to be smart and refined...the kind of gal who could appreciate life's precious gifts such as Marion Bartoli.:)
LOVE it when you're feisty:smooch::smooch:

Marionated
Oct 3rd, 2008, 04:22 PM
But it's not easy to generate that kind of power on a slow surface the way that Marion plays. There's a difference between what's make-able in Stanford and what's makeable in Stuttgart.

That's why I didn't get her decision to play there in the first place. She even commented on the surface being too slow for her game when she lost to Radwanska last year :confused:

Lighter
Oct 3rd, 2008, 06:51 PM
Vera knows very well Marion. They have played matchs since they're 14. Moreover, French Vera's coach is close to Marion's father. So, they knew how to play her. And that's why Vera decided to put the pressure immediatly on Marion.

In Charleston, the match was closer.

We have to wait Moscow draw.

bruce goose
Oct 3rd, 2008, 06:55 PM
Vera knows very well Marion. They have played matchs since they're 14. Moreover, French Vera's coach is close to Marion's father. So, they knew how to play her. And that's why Vera decided to put the pression immediatly on Marion.

In Charleston, the match was closer.

We have to wait Moscow draw.It's "pressure" in English,Lighter,although the French and the Spanish are almost identical;)

Moscow indeed will be a tough draw because #21-ranked Srebotnik must enter through qualifying!!

Lighter
Oct 3rd, 2008, 07:22 PM
It's "pressure" in English,Lighter,although the French and the Spanish are almost identical;)

Moscow indeed will be a tough draw because #21-ranked Srebotnik must enter through qualifying!!As Tokyo and Stuttgart.

1st round : Kirilenko (n°29) and Domi (n°20)
2nd round : Aga (n°10) and Bepa (n°9).

What about Moscow ?
I would like Alizé or Amélie just for fun. Or a player from qualies as Alizé with Wozniak and Pironkova.

bruce goose
Oct 3rd, 2008, 07:39 PM
As Tokyo and Stuttgart.

1st round : Kirilenko (n°29) and Domi (n°20)
2nd round : Aga (n°10) and Bepa (n°9).

What about Moscow ?
I would like Alizé or Amélie just for fun. Or a player from qualies as Alizé with Wozniak and Pironkova.Yeah,there would be a certain catharsis if Marion finally kicked Amelie's ass.I feel like that's ripe for the taking since Mauresmo has dropped off from #1 so much.Bartoli/Cornet would DEFINITELY be interesting,and I hope that Marion can establish a friendship with the young gal so that she won't be swayed by the ridiculous anti-Marion hype from the Vichy Cowards in FFT....Pironkova???....ummmm....I better not comment or my :hearts:Scottish:hearts: girlfriend might misinterpret;)....As for Wozniak,Marion owes her a MAJOR ass-whupping.If Marion dropped some beef jerky snacks around the baseline,that would serve as a huge distraction for the hefty,food-loving Wozniak:lol:

Lighter
Oct 3rd, 2008, 07:45 PM
Yeah,there would be a certain catharsis if Marion finally kicked Amelie's ass.I feel like that's ripe for the taking since Mauresmo has dropped off from #1 so much.Bartoli/Cornet would DEFINITELY be interesting,and I hope that Marion can establish a friendship with the young gal so that she won't be swayed by the ridiculous anti-Marion hype from the Vichy Cowards in FFT....Pironkova???....ummmm....I better not comment or my :hearts:Scottish:hearts: girlfriend might misinterpret;)....As for Wozniak,Marion owes her a MAJOR ass-whupping.If Marion dropped some beef jerky snacks around the baseline,that would serve as a huge distraction for the hefty,food-loving Wozniak:lol:Relationships between Alize and Marion seem correct. It's just for the game. Marion def Pironkova in Newhaven. But I would prefer Alize to Srebotnik, very tough in Tokyo.

bruce goose
Oct 3rd, 2008, 08:00 PM
Relationships between Alize and Marion seem correct. It's just for the game. Marion def Pironkova in Newhaven. But I would prefer Alize to Srebotnik, very tough in Tokyo.Yes,I recall Marion's recent victory over Pronka(and the pictures of both of them,too:inlove::inlove:),and I agree with you that Cornet would be an easier oponent than Srebo.Alize is more talented but also more erratic....heck,she even lost to Ivanovic last week in Beijing,and NONE of the good players have done THAT for almost 6 months now.

Lighter
Oct 3rd, 2008, 08:32 PM
Yes,I recall Marion's recent victory over Pronka(and the pictures of both of them,too:inlove::inlove:),and I agree with you that Cornet would be an easier oponent than Srebo.Alize is more talented but also more erratic....heck,she even lost to Ivanovic last week in Beijing,and NONE of the good players have done THAT for almost 6 months now.Alizé seems to be exhausted. I just hope for Marion to skip Dushevina, Wozniacki and Schiavone.
Draw on next sunday.

bruce goose
Oct 3rd, 2008, 08:47 PM
Alizé seems to be exhausted. I just hope for Marion to skip Dushevina, Wozniacki and Schiavone.
Draw on next sunday.I don't fear Schiavone at ALL;she beat Marion in January 2003 once and twice more this year while our gal was struggling...3-0 isn't a huge gap and the 2 this season were 3-setters.......Now Caro and Vera D.---YES!!!--I agree with you there,ESPECIALLY Caro.Btw,why does Marion have such difficulty with the lower-ranked Vera D.;did the Russian dominate her during juniors,causing Marion to doubt herself on the regular tour when they met?Vera is HARDLY a mentally-tough player...only easy on the eyes;)....As Marion:hearts: is,of course.

Joee
Oct 4th, 2008, 10:32 AM
:fiery:

awww :)

Marionated
Oct 4th, 2008, 10:35 AM
Cibulkova 1st round (6-3 6-1 :devil:) and if she gets past her, Ivanovic in the second (haven't played since Montreal 04)- a match Marion lost in 3 tight sets.

bruce goose
Oct 4th, 2008, 10:59 AM
Cibulkova 1st round (6-3 6-1 :devil:) and if she gets past her, Ivanovic in the second (haven't played since Montreal 04)- a match Marion lost in 3 tight sets.We've already seen Marion's capabilities vs. Cibulkova.If she doesn't beat Ivanovic right NOW then,quite frankly,she might NEVER do it barring injury default.Ana is a fantastic,potentially all-time talent whose mind happens to be galaxies away from tennis at the present time.ANY well-played match on Marion's part should be good enough for victory there if she gets past Cibu in the 1st again.

Iceland
Oct 4th, 2008, 01:35 PM
Maybe we should edit the thread title now....


Good luck Marion :yeah:. Last year it was Alona (Luxembourg & Moscow), this year it's Dominika. She indeed proved us that she could beat her indoors without problem. The only thing is that Domi will be fresher this week, so she will surely give less free points than in Stuttgart.

Joee
Oct 4th, 2008, 10:00 PM
Marion can beat Cibulkova and Ivanovic....Ana hasnt been playing well I think. Its Marions chance to pounce on her!

She can WIN!

bruce goose
Oct 4th, 2008, 10:34 PM
Marion can beat Cibulkova and Ivanovic....Ana hasnt been playing well I think. Its Marions chance to pounce on her!

She can WIN!You're being generous when you say that Ana's not playing well....'pathetically under-achieving' is more like it.As I'm also an Ana fan,it hurts me a bit to see such wonderful talent go to waste,but Marion is DEFINITELY more focused on tennis right now and is worthier of a QF spot.If Ana reverted to her old form,then it'd be a tough match for Marion,but I can't envision that happening at this stage.Marion can overwhelm her distracted,unmotivated opponent if she avoids silly UEs and keeps the pressure on,and she needs to finish the year on a strong note to build a foundation for 2009.VAMOS Marion:hearts:!!!

Joee
Oct 5th, 2008, 11:39 AM
You're being generous when you say that Ana's not playing well....'pathetically under-achieving' is more like it.As I'm also an Ana fan,it hurts me a bit to see such wonderful talent go to waste,but Marion is DEFINITELY more focused on tennis right now and is worthier of a QF spot.If Ana reverted to her old form,then it'd be a tough match for Marion,but I can't envision that happening at this stage.Marion can overwhelm her distracted,unmotivated opponent if she avoids silly UEs and keeps the pressure on,and she needs to finish the year on a strong note to build a foundation for 2009.VAMOS Marion:hearts:!!!

lol....I may have been too generous then ;)
Marion does deserve a QF spot, shes playing well to make it. Id love to see her beat Ivanovic!

ALLEZ MARION!!!!

Schnyderfreak
Oct 5th, 2008, 09:25 PM
Good luck against Domi Marion.
You;ve met before on indoors so you kno what to do to beat her!!
Be aggressive play your own game and you will beat her again!
AAALLEEEZZZZ!!!

Iceland
Oct 6th, 2008, 04:55 PM
Match has started and Marion is down 13.
She pushed Cibulkova twice at deuce but couldn't break. She is not serving very well at the moment (45% of first serves).

Wake up!

Iceland
Oct 6th, 2008, 04:58 PM
2 aces and 2 double faults in one game. 1/4.
This is absolutely ridiculous. :o

bruce goose
Oct 6th, 2008, 04:59 PM
Match has started and Marion is down 13.
She pushed Cibulkova twice at deuce but couldn't break. She is not serving very well at the moment (45% of first serves).

Wake up!Do we have live stream available here at T.Forum,Iceland?I'd like to watch...sort of...4-1 following consecutive DFs in the last game:rolleyes:

Iceland
Oct 6th, 2008, 05:09 PM
6/1 for Dominika.
I don't mind her losing to this talented player but the way she has been playing this set is frustrating. Always close to win games but never did it. She lost 6 games in a row :o.

No livestream, it's not on CC.

bruce goose
Oct 6th, 2008, 05:13 PM
Still looking to see if anyone knows of live stream for this match but,judging by Marion's 1st set stats,DEAD stream might be more appropriate:rolleyes:....This is hard to accept.

Marionated
Oct 6th, 2008, 05:32 PM
As soon as I saw how slow the court is, I was afraid this might happen.
Marion's game isn't well suited to this surface at all- her serving stats are also really poor.

Iceland
Oct 6th, 2008, 05:36 PM
Yes, you're probably right. Yet she is embarrassing herself again. When she loses, she is not faking it, it has to be a nice thrashing! :o
Marion is down 16 14, lost 4 games in a row (again).

bruce goose
Oct 6th, 2008, 05:38 PM
Losing to a player of Cibulkova's caliber isn't such a terrible occurrence,but getting steam-cleaned like THIS is pretty embarrassing...I hope she has a good excuse like malaria or some tropical disease.:rolleyes:

Marionated
Oct 6th, 2008, 05:42 PM
Yeah. This really one-sided scorelines are no good for her confidence (against the lower end of the top 10 and 20 as well) :sad:

I just wish she would stop playing for the sake of playing though.

She should of played Tokyo last week (she's won their before so she obviously likes the court), skipped this week, and then look foward to Zurich and Linz (where her game is perfectly suited to the courts they play on their).

She retired :sad: Hope it's nothing serious.

bruce goose
Oct 6th, 2008, 05:45 PM
She retired :sad:OBVIOUSLY,I don't relish the idea of Marion being hurt...but at least it gives us a logical explanation for this terrible result...get well soon,:angel:Marion!

Iceland
Oct 6th, 2008, 07:04 PM
Pff, bravo Marion :o.
I don't even believe in her injury. When you don't feel ok, you shouldn't play.

bruce goose
Oct 6th, 2008, 07:11 PM
Pff, bravo Marion :o.
I don't even believe in her injury. When you don't feel ok, you shouldn't play.Maybe you're right;I'm just grasping for anything right now:(

Marionated
Oct 6th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Pff, bravo Marion :o.
I don't even believe in her injury. When you don't feel ok, you shouldn't play.


:speakles:
Maybe she hurt herself during the match :confused:

I don't think Marion retired because she was being badly beaten. If that was the case, she would of retired last week against Zvonareva- where she was beating beaten even worse.

Anyway, we'll find out later on why she retired.

On to Zurich. Hopefully she will (and should) have a good tournament there :)

Schnyderfreak
Oct 6th, 2008, 08:54 PM
o:o: Whatever is the case get over this quickly!! everybody plays a poor match now and again so let's start winning straight away in the next tournament in Zurich!!!

bruce goose
Oct 6th, 2008, 09:07 PM
so let's start winning straight away in the next tournament in Zurich!!!You mean that you want Marion to win in Patty's home country???:eek:

Super_Marion
Oct 7th, 2008, 10:25 AM
She was struggling with a toe injury throughout the match.

Schnyderfreak
Oct 7th, 2008, 09:17 PM
You mean that you want Marion to win in Patty's home country???:eek:

Well if she doesn't meet Patty in her road to the title I'd have no problems with that :devil:;)
I actually meant winning matches again to ensure this was a hick -up
but as Super Marion posted this was due to a toe-injury instead of a bad day at the office so rest well Marion and be ready for Zurich:armed:

bruce goose
Oct 7th, 2008, 09:26 PM
Well if she doesn't meet Patty in her road to the title I'd have no problems with that :devil:;)
I actually meant winning matches again to ensure this was a hick -up
but as Super Marion posted this was due to a toe-injury instead of a bad day at the office so rest well Marion and be ready for Zurich:armed:Yeah,I was just playing coy with you;);I figured you meant it that way.Glad that 'Super M' stayed on top of Marion's situation to keep us apprised.As one of those charming,loyal Scottish gals,she's the ideal Marion fan.......they make GREAT kissers,too.:D

Super_Marion
Oct 8th, 2008, 10:13 PM
Well if she doesn't meet Patty in her road to the title I'd have no problems with that :devil:;)
I actually meant winning matches again to ensure this was a hick -up
but as Super Marion posted this was due to a toe-injury instead of a bad day at the office so rest well Marion and be ready for Zurich:armed:
Well said :cool:

Super_Marion
Oct 8th, 2008, 10:31 PM
Yeah,I was just playing coy with you;);I figured you meant it that way.Glad that 'Super M' stayed on top of Marion's situation to keep us apprised.As one of those charming,loyal Scottish gals,she's the ideal Marion fan.......they make GREAT kissers,too.:D
Do you want me to wheel out portafiery? :fiery:

Portafiery is my friendly little portable cooking assisitant. Great for BBQ Goose with Jumbalaya, and great for Anthrosalsa (Mexican canibal delicacy :lick:... Yes I always carry my chefs knifes along with portafiery.

Yeah baby, lets party :drool: :aparty:

bruce goose
Oct 8th, 2008, 10:54 PM
Do you want me to wheel out portafiery? :fiery:

Portafiery is my friendly little portable cooking assisitant. Great for BBQ Goose with Jumbalaya, and great for Anthrosalsa (Mexican canibal delicacy :lick:... Yes I always carry my chefs knifes along with portafiery.

Yeah baby, lets party :drool: :aparty:Of course,not ALL Scottish gals are the same;SOME are more special than others:smooch:

I just LOVE it when you waste so much energy pretending not to enjoy my amorous advances;)Unfortunately,I need to leave for my evening class,Sugar Buns,so we'll have to discuss Queen Marion:hearts: or anything else tomorrow after you've had your beauty rest.Sleep well,buen amiga!:wavey:

C. W. Fields
Oct 9th, 2008, 11:18 AM
Today Caro also had to retire from Kremlin, with a combined flu + thigh injury. Maybe she and Marion can play online-tennis with each other while they get better!? :rolleyes:

bruce goose
Oct 9th, 2008, 03:26 PM
There's a sport's expression which the gringos use--don't know whether or not they stole it from the Brits--that says,'Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.' Dominika Cibulkova is the manifestation of this statement in Moscow.First,she benefitted from an injury to our :hearts:Marion:hearts: who had DESTROYED her in their previous hardcourt meeting....THEN she faced the easiest seeded opponent she'll meet in her entire career,the Evaporating Ana Ivanovic:sad::sad::sad:,whom even ITF players such as Julie Coin are now effortlessly beating.Domi's NEXT foe is Zvonareva who THOROUGHLY dismantled the lovely Hantuchova:angel: in only 51 minutes....your luck just ran out,Domi....

Any updates on the severity of Marion's toe injury are encouraged;we need to know how our Queen is coping with this.VAMOS,Marion!!:bounce:

weary
Oct 10th, 2008, 12:46 AM
Hopefully Marion's injury isn't too serious :hug:

Where's she playing next?

Marionated
Oct 10th, 2008, 06:48 AM
Hopefully Marion's injury isn't too serious :hug:

Where's she playing next?
Zurich open :)

Super_Marion
Oct 10th, 2008, 11:22 PM
There's a sport's expression which the gringos use--don't know whether or not they stole it from the Brits--that says,'Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.' Dominika Cibulkova is the manifestation of this statement in Moscow.First,she benefitted from an injury to our :hearts:Marion:hearts: who had DESTROYED her in their previous hardcourt meeting....THEN she faced the easiest seeded opponent she'll meet in her entire career,the Evaporating Ana Ivanovic:sad::sad::sad:,whom even ITF players such as Julie Coin are now effortlessly beating.Domi's NEXT foe is Zvonareva who THOROUGHLY dismantled the lovely Hantuchova:angel: in only 51 minutes....your luck just ran out,Domi....

Any updates on the severity of Marion's toe injury are encouraged;we need to know how our Queen is coping with this.VAMOS,Marion!!:bounce:
Not a squeak from Camp-Bartoli to Bartoli-Central.

bruce goose
Oct 10th, 2008, 11:39 PM
Not a squeak from Camp-Bartoli to Bartoli-Central.Thanks,I know we can trust you to keep us posted,Super M:hug::)

Marionated
Oct 11th, 2008, 03:13 PM
1st round match against Szavay (definitely winnable, but Marion lost leads of 5-2 in the first set and 4-2 in the second in their last match- it was on clay though)

2nd round match- Ivanovic :unsure:

bruce goose
Oct 11th, 2008, 03:26 PM
1st round match against Szavay (definitely winnable, but Marion lost leads of 5-2 in the first set and 4-2 in the second in their last match- it was on clay though)

2nd round match- Ivanovic :unsure:Szavay has been slumping terribly for much of this year and Ivanovic is suffering from schizophrenia apparently where one of her other personalities is a lousy tennis player.She looks burned out like a young Capriati and Jaeger were,and it's very sad to watch.Marion should be able to take advantage of this grand opportunity IF her toe is healthy....waiting on further injury updates from the sweet,faithful Sugar Buns.

Super_Marion
Oct 11th, 2008, 06:45 PM
She had a set point in that lst match against Szavay. But that's history.

bruce goose
Oct 11th, 2008, 07:10 PM
She had a set point in that lst match against Szavay. But that's history.Marion realizes that that stupid clay is better used for POTTERY.Tennis shouldn't be played on clay OR grass;it's just one of those sports like basketball,volleyball or car racing that's better done on an artificial surface....although BEACH volleyball isn't so awful,either;)....Do we have any further word on Marion's foot/toe?

Super_Marion
Oct 11th, 2008, 10:42 PM
As I said. No news. And No news is good news :)

bruce goose
Oct 11th, 2008, 10:53 PM
As I said. No news. And No news is good news :)Okay,I'll take your word for it:smooch: since I'm hoping for the best for Marion.:)

Super_Marion
Oct 12th, 2008, 02:36 PM
That shut you up. :cool:

bruce goose
Oct 12th, 2008, 02:44 PM
That shut you up. :cool:Actually,I had no idea what you were talking about and figured you'd explain it later:lol:....You've established a pattern of going off on slightly-odd tangents;)...but that's okay...we latinos are somewhat accustomed to odd behavior from European women whenever horny Scottish girls visit latinoamerica while on vacation.:)

Renalicious
Oct 12th, 2008, 03:15 PM
Winnable first two matches! Let's goooo Marion!!

Schnyderfreak
Oct 12th, 2008, 06:51 PM
1st round match against Szavay (definitely winnable, but Marion lost leads of 5-2 in the first set and 4-2 in the second in their last match- it was on clay though)

2nd round match- Ivanovic :unsure:


Winnable first round, but unpredictable 2nd round. Get to the 2nd first Marion and fight hard!!:bounce: AALLEEEEZZZZZZ!!!

Super_Marion
Oct 12th, 2008, 09:42 PM
Actually,I had no idea what you were talking about and figured you'd explain it later:lol:....You've established a pattern of going off on slightly-odd tangents;)...but that's okay...we latinos are somewhat accustomed to odd behavior from European women whenever horny Scottish girls visit latinoamerica while on vacation.:)http://marionbartoli.blog.co.uk/2008/10/09/a-few-kremlin-cup-pics-4842393

Check out the defensive forehand (first pic). Sculptors dream. Work of art. :cool:

bruce goose
Oct 12th, 2008, 09:57 PM
http://marionbartoli.blog.co.uk/2008/10/09/a-few-kremlin-cup-pics-4842393

Check out the defensive forehand (first pic). Sculptors dream. Work of art. :cool:Indeed,but I'd say that Marion,in the BROADER sense,is a work of art.:)

Super_Marion
Oct 12th, 2008, 11:33 PM
Indeed,but I'd say that Marion,in the BROADER sense,is a work of art.:)The doctor is the artist.

Alizé Molik
Oct 13th, 2008, 01:29 AM
The doctor is the artist.

doctor who? :p

Lighter
Oct 13th, 2008, 11:10 AM
doctor who? :pDoctor B.....I, first name W....R.

Super_Marion
Oct 13th, 2008, 04:14 PM
I dreamed I was playing tennis with Marion lastnight. :zzz: Surely I'm not the only one? Do tell.

bruce goose
Oct 13th, 2008, 04:16 PM
I dreamed I was playing tennis with Marion lastnight. :zzz: Surely I'm not the only one? Do tell.How well did you do?What was the score?:)

Lighter
Oct 13th, 2008, 05:54 PM
Marion will play tomorrow on CC : 2 pm. GOOD LUCK.

Super_Marion
Oct 13th, 2008, 09:59 PM
Yes good luck bambina!

Momo and Alize out in first round..

Bartoli's Boy
Oct 14th, 2008, 01:33 PM
Marion... :hearts:

She won 6-4, 6-0! Eight games in a row to finish! :drool:

The first set was very tight. Lucky for Marion that she broke serve first, because Szavay had to play catch up... but they were exchanging breaks of each other's serve for about 4 games. In the end, Szavay's serve totally broke down and Marion's excellent returning must have had her thinking she had to serve better and better or be broken every service game.

I felt sorry for Agnes in the second set, because nothing was working for her at all. She kept serving second serves and double faults, and anything that did go in Marion killed on the return.

Wow, did any of you guys who saw the match, see that drop shot volley Marion hit after she got caught at the net and Szavay hit straight at her body? I thought it was an accident at first, but on the replay she did a perfect double handed drop shot on reaction. I wish Marion would hit more drop shots, because it looks so crazy with a double handed motion. Everyone else goes to a single hander and Marion just cuts through the air like she's swinging a lightsaber. :lol:

Renalicious
Oct 14th, 2008, 02:28 PM
Marion!! :inlove: Now against Ana. :)

Loool. I love her drop shots, she hit so many against Jankovic last year at Wimbledon.

Iceland
Oct 14th, 2008, 03:35 PM
Marion is so on and off :lol:. She destroys her opponents when she wins ... now I hope Ana doesn't destroy her. This pattern has to stop!
Funny to see that Marion won the second set with only 33% of first serves.

Even though Agnes is in a terrible form, this is still a pretty decent win for her. Zurich should suit her style better than in Moscow so who knows, she may not be beaten already by Ana... This is her chance. She will have to be very aggressive since the beginning, Ana hates that.

Bravo Marion anyway :yeah:.

Lighter
Oct 14th, 2008, 08:58 PM
Driving today from Toulouse to Paris, I didn't hear Marion's result on radio. Her result isn't a surprise. Moscow was too slow for Marion. I'm sure that she has prepared Zurich and Linz for a long time as surface suits her. Hope she'll play a good match vs Ana.

Good new, I could see some Marion's point at TV.

Iceland
Oct 14th, 2008, 09:32 PM
Really on the pictures of the match Marion looks so fit!
I'm quite excited about her meeting with Ana. I just want her to be able to play her game and to win more than 4 games... She will need her serve and all her aggressiveness. We should see that on Thursday on ES *prays*.

Alizé Molik
Oct 15th, 2008, 12:38 AM
i agree iceland she looks really great at the moment! It is possible that papa walt has made some changes in her game again and we are still waiting to see the full effect of it? Either way I still think it is important to note that Marion is only loosing to players who are in form and in the to 20 or so players, any one who is playing not well or isn't a top player she can beat easily.

Renalicious
Oct 15th, 2008, 08:31 AM
I actually think she has a chance to beat Ana. :)

Lighter
Oct 15th, 2008, 09:34 AM
i agree iceland she looks really great at the moment! It is possible that papa walt has made some changes in her game again and we are still waiting to see the full effect of it? Either way I still think it is important to note that Marion is only loosing to players who are in form and in the to 20 or so players, any one who is playing not well or isn't a top player she can beat easily.Since US open, except her retirement in Moscow, she has only lost to top 10 (Zvo and Aga).
We also know that Stuttgart and Moscow are too slow for her. That's why I guess she's really focused on Zurich and Linz.

On my opinion, Beijing surface suited her more than Stuttgart one. But I respect her choice.

Match vs Ana should be a very intense one.

Schnyderfreak
Oct 15th, 2008, 11:27 AM
Wow, did any of you guys who saw the match, see that drop shot volley Marion hit after she got caught at the net and Szavay hit straight at her body? I thought it was an accident at first, but on the replay she did a perfect double handed drop shot on reaction. I wish Marion would hit more drop shots, because it looks so crazy with a double handed motion. Everyone else goes to a single hander and Marion just cuts through the air like she's swinging a lightsaber. :lol:

Yeah that was an amazing point!!! she was going the other way and suddenly the ball came to her and she sliced the ball drop dead in the court thanks to the doublehanded slice.:worship:

Marion is so on and off :lol:. She destroys her opponents when she wins ... now I hope Ana doesn't destroy her. This pattern has to stop!
Funny to see that Marion won the second set with only 33% of first serves.


You`re right there her serving has to be better to beat Ana but her groundstrokes were good and her returning was very good. she has to keep that up if she wants to beat Ana. Savay was having a complete serving meltdown and cuz of the returning of Marion she was put under more pressure and it worked well.Altogether Marion played well,but there`s room for improvement.:)ALLLEEZ

bruce goose
Oct 15th, 2008, 11:34 AM
I actually think she has a chance to beat Ana. :)Take a close look and you'll see that Marion is clearly the BEST opponent Ana has faced since Roland Garros!!!One might make a case for Cornet also,under OTHER circumstances,but poor Alize is struggling badly right now.Indeed,it ought to be difficult for Ana to adjust to a player of :hearts:Marion's:hearts: caliber

Lighter
Oct 15th, 2008, 02:42 PM
Very interesting article in L'équipe : BARTOLI EN COLERE
Marion explains that her toe injury occured during match vs Zvo in Stuttgart. And pain forced her to retire in Moscow. She confirms not to feel anything now.

But before all, she criticizes french federation. She doesn't understand why they ranked Alizé as French number 1 when she's still French number at WTA ranking. She called them in order to have explanations. And nobody has called back.
http://www.fft.fr/cms/GetDoc.asp?Type=5&ID=8573
She was ready to make efforts in order to play fed cup in 2009. But she considers that this decision is really not fair. So, as long as staff remains the same, she will refuse to play fed cup.

Super_Marion
Oct 15th, 2008, 02:47 PM
Driving today from Toulouse to Paris, I didn't hear Marion's result on radio. Her result isn't a surprise. Moscow was too slow for Marion. I'm sure that she has prepared Zurich and Linz for a long time as surface suits her. Hope she'll play a good match vs Ana.

Good new, I could see some Marion's point at TV.That's kind of surprising. In UK the result would be on bulletins for sure. I listen to 5LIVE a lot, and they update about Andy Murray in Madrid all the time.

Lighter
Oct 15th, 2008, 02:56 PM
That's kind of surprising. In UK the result would be on bulletins for sure. I listen to 5LIVE a lot, and they update about Andy Murray in Madrid all the time.Neither France inter, nor France info gave the new. It's easier to have men's results. That's the way it is.

bruce goose
Oct 15th, 2008, 03:12 PM
But she considers that this decision is really not fair. So, as long as staff remains the same, she will refuse to play fed cup.Lighter,I don't know whether or not Marion speaks Spanish,but I have a message that she can share with the FFT if she'd like:Besame el culo,vergologos 'vichy' cobardes!!!

Super_Marion
Oct 15th, 2008, 03:14 PM
Very interesting article in L'équipe : BARTOLI EN COLERE
Marion explains that her toe injury occured during match vs Zvo in Stuttgart. And pain forced her to retire in Moscow. She confirms not to feel anything now.

But before all, she criticizes french federation. She doesn't understand why they ranked Alizé as French number 1 when she's still French number at WTA ranking. She called them in order to have explanations. And nobody has called back.
http://www.fft.fr/cms/GetDoc.asp?Type=5&ID=8573
She was ready to make efforts in order to play fed cup in 2009. But she considers that this decision is really not fair. So, as long as staff remains the same, she will refuse to play fed cup.It's outrageous Lighter isnt it. As far as i'm concerned this is DAY 465 with Marion Bartoli as FRENCH NUMBER 1

Super_Marion
Oct 15th, 2008, 03:42 PM
Lighter check your inbox in a minute

Iceland
Oct 15th, 2008, 05:54 PM
Marion has such a fiery temper :hearts:.

Glad to see that she is keeping this personality, she wouldn't be where she is now without it. Then I'm not sure that she is right in this story, Alizé reached Tier I final and won a first title this year while Marion hasn't done something big. She is behind Alizé in the Race so this decision seems kind of justified for me ... but I understand that she feels insulted for that. She should have actually been 1 ex-aequo with Alizé, just like last year.

Hope she proves the FFT wrong beating Ana tomorrow! :D

Lighter
Oct 15th, 2008, 06:23 PM
Marion has such a fiery temper :hearts:.

Glad to see that she is keeping this personality, she wouldn't be where she is now without it. Then I'm not sure that she is right in this story, Alizé reached Tier I final and won a first title this year while Marion hasn't done something big. She is behind Alizé in the Race so this decision seems kind of justified for me ... but I understand that she feels insulted for that. She should have actually been 1 ex-aequo with Alizé, just like last year.

Hope she proves the FFT wrong beating Ana tomorrow! :DSorry but you made a mistake. fft ranking is established between beginning of october and end of september. So race has nothing to do with this period.

Tier I and II :
Alizé was finalist in Rome and reached semi in Charleston (tier I), and reached semi in Amelia Island and Newhaven (tier II).
Marion reached semi in Montreal (tier I), was finalist in Stanford and reached semi in Linz, Paris OGF and Eastbourne (tier II)

And during Grand slam, Marion and Amélie were better than Alizé (US open). And concerning her title in Budapest, it's a tier III tournament without top 100 wins.

Don't forget that Marion also played Masters in 2007.

e-mail of FFT : fft@fft.fr

bruce goose
Oct 15th, 2008, 06:26 PM
Sounds like a bullshit excuse to me;101 points is a pittance in YEC standings and the FFT would just turn the tables if the numbers were reversed.I.e.,if Marion led in YEC points and Alize were ranked three places higher,then the FFT would use THAT ranking instead.It's how hypocrites always operate.

Lighter
Oct 15th, 2008, 06:43 PM
not 101 pts but 150 pts.

In fact, Marion has to defend 110 pts (Zurich) + 125 pts (Linz) + 150 pts (YEC) - Charleston (60 pts) - Stuttgart (40 pts)- Sydney (35 pts) = 250 pts

Current gap between Marion and Alizé : 147 pts.

If Marion is reaching semi in Zurich, she only has to defend 160 pts before to play Linz.

And Marion is better on hard than Alizé. So, I'm confident. And perhaps she will ask for a WC in Quebec.

bruce goose
Oct 15th, 2008, 06:49 PM
not 101 pts but 150 pts.

In fact, Marion has to defend 110 pts (Zurich) + 125 pts (Linz) + 150 pts (YEC) - Charleston (60 pts) - Stuttgart (40 pts)- Sydney (35 pts) = 250 pts

Current gap between Marion and Alizé : 147 pts.

If Marion is reaching semi in Zurich, she only has to defend 160 pts before to play Linz.

And Marion is better on hard than Alizé. So, I'm confident. And perhaps she will ask for a WC in Quebec.You're reading the wrong column,Lighter.If you go to the WTA website,it'll show you the YEC rankings where Alize has 1428 and Marion has 1327.Regardless,150 points would STILL be a pittance and the FFT is still a bunch of cabrones de sangre mezclado(sus padres son primos)

Lighter
Oct 15th, 2008, 07:18 PM
You're reading the wrong column,Lighter.If you go to the WTA website,it'll show you the YEC rankings where Alize has 1428 and Marion has 1327.Regardless,150 points would STILL be a pittance and the FFT is still a bunch of cabrones de sangre mezclado(sus padres son primos)Not at all. Race ranking is only for masters. I have made calculation on Wta rankings.

Concerning race : new gap is (1 428+1) - (1 327 + 35) = 67 pts

bruce goose
Oct 15th, 2008, 07:27 PM
Not at all. Race ranking is only for masters. I have made calculation on Wta rankings.

Concerning race : new gap is (1 428+1) - (1 327 + 35) = 67 ptsOkay,so you're considering different rankings...fair enough...but my point is still unchanged....That FFT doesn't have justification for showing Marion such a lack of respect and,therefore,I wish that these douchebags had to serve in the Foreign Legion in some hotspot of fighting such as Algeria.They'd put up the surrender flag within 30 seconds,probably:rolleyes:

Lighter
Oct 15th, 2008, 07:38 PM
Okay,so you're considering different rankings...fair enough...but my point is still unchanged....That FFT doesn't have justification for showing Marion such a lack of respect and,therefore,I wish that these douchebags had to serve in the Foreign Legion in some hotspot of fighting such as Algeria.They'd put up the surrender flag within 30 seconds,probably:rolleyes:That's why she's very angry. More Seriously, Schedule :

Centre Court

2:00 PM 2nd Round Singles -
- Jelena Jankovic (SRB) vs. Flavia Pennetta (ITA)

not before 3:15 PM 2nd Round Singles -
- Katarina Srebotnik (SLO) vs. Agnieszka Radwanska (POL)

not before 6:00 PM 2nd Round Singles -
- Marion Bartoli (FRA) vs. Ana Ivanovic (SRB)

not before 8:30 PM 2nd Round Singles -
- Vera Zvonareva (RUS) vs. Anabel Medina Garrigues (ESP)

bruce goose
Oct 15th, 2008, 07:40 PM
It's likely no one's interested since it doesn't impact on Marion(fair enough),but this matchup is really tormenting me so I posted some stray thoughts in the OFF-topic thread to avoid cluttering THIS one.Venus and Safina went YEARS without having ever played each other until a few weeks ago in Stuttgart,and I wish it were the same with Marion and Ana.:sad:

Lighter
Oct 15th, 2008, 07:58 PM
It's likely no one's interested since it doesn't impact on Marion(fair enough),but this matchup is really tormenting me so I posted some stray thoughts in the OFF-topic thread to avoid cluttering THIS one.Venus and Safina went YEARS without having ever played each other until a few weeks ago in Stuttgart,and I wish it were the same with Marion and Ana.:sad:Don't forget that Marion got 4 MP during last match they played in Toronto.

bruce goose
Oct 15th, 2008, 08:10 PM
Don't forget that Marion got 4 MP during last match they played in Toronto.That's not what I meant;I'm sure that Marion CAN beat Ana and I expect her to do it.However,I like BOTh of them a lot and hate it when either of them loses.Now,the slimy tour director in Zurich rigged the draw since Marion lost to Cibu and couldn't play Ana LAST week in Moscow.I guess they want more attention by contriving the matchup THIS week.Venus and Safina have only played once while Craybas and Domachowska have met 6 times---SIX TIMES!!!(almost always in the 1st round)The odds on the latter stat being a coincidence are infinitesimal,and the people who claim their innocence in fixing the draw don't have high enough credibility or integrity to be believable...so it's almost insulting when they lie to us and pretend that everything is random.The draw might be honest at SOME tournaments but definitely not all of them.

Lighter
Oct 15th, 2008, 08:21 PM
That's not what I meant;I'm sure that Marion CAN beat Ana and I expect her to do it.However,I like BOTh of them a lot and hate it when either of them loses.Now,the slimy tour director in Zurich rigged the draw since Marion lost to Cibu and couldn't play Ana LAST week in Moscow.I guess they want more attention by contriving the matchup THIS week.Venus and Safina have only played once while Craybas and Domachowska have met 6 times---SIX TIMES!!!(almost always in the 1st round)The odds on the latter stat being a coincidence are infinitesimal,and the people who claim their innocence in fixing the draw don't have high enough credibility or integrity to be believable...so it's almost insulting when they lie to us and pretend that everything is random.The draw might be honest at SOME tournaments but definitely not all of them.Look at CHARDY-GIL in ATP Grand slam 2008 R128, you will be surprised. Incredible.

Sorry if you are disappointed with the match between Ana and Marion. That's life.

bruce goose
Oct 15th, 2008, 08:27 PM
Sorry if you are disappointed with the match between Ana and Marion. That's life.I'll survive somehow;);I'm actually glad that my morning class ends early enough for me to watch the match livestream...that'll make it easier to pass the time.

Lighter
Oct 15th, 2008, 08:48 PM
I'll survive somehow;);I'm actually glad that my morning class ends early enough for me to watch the match livestream...that'll make it easier to pass the time.Just for you : http://video.eurosport.fr/tennis/wta-zurich/2008/chakvetadze-dehors_vid88329/video.shtml

bruce goose
Oct 15th, 2008, 10:02 PM
Just for you : http://video.eurosport.fr/tennis/wta-zurich/2008/chakvetadze-dehors_vid88329/video.shtmlThanks:)

Super_Marion
Oct 15th, 2008, 10:59 PM
The bootom line is Marion achieved better finishes than Alize in the slams overall this year. Every time I look Alize is dropping out of tournaments before Marion.

Marion is the higher ranked WTA player. So it seems a quite bizarre and arbitrary dercision on the part of the FFT. I look forward to their explanation, otherwise they can look forward to my Scottish accent.

bruce goose
Oct 16th, 2008, 12:56 AM
The bootom line is Marion achieved better finishes than Alize in the slams overall this year. Every time I look Alize is dropping out of tournaments before Marion.

Marion is the higher ranked WTA player. So it seems a quite bizarre and arbitrary dercision on the part of the FFT. I look forward to their explanation, otherwise they can look forward to my Scottish accent.:yeah::smooch:

bruce goose
Oct 16th, 2008, 05:35 PM
Clicked on Video Eurosport but they're not showing anything yet...just highlights of previous matches...I guess that's common practice.I'd thought that they might even show Marion and Ana warming up

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 05:43 PM
Terrible line call robs Marion of the 1st game!

bruce goose
Oct 16th, 2008, 05:47 PM
Terrible line call robs Marion of the 1st game!Are you watching livestream???If so,what's the link?I clicked where 'Lighter' listed but it only shows highlights of past matches.

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 05:51 PM
Are you watching livestream???If so,what's the link?I clicked where 'Lighter' listed but it only shows highlights of past matches.

On tv. Marion hit a shot that was CLEARLY on the line- stupid moronic line judge calls out, giving Ana break point (annoying thing is Marion saved it- got broken when Ana had her second break point though. She should be 2-1 up though :fiery:

bruce goose
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:00 PM
On tv. Marion hit a shot that was CLEARLY on the line- stupid moronic line judge calls out, giving Ana break point (annoying thing is Marion saved it- got broken when Ana had her second break point though. She should be 2-1 up though :fiery:Well,at least you broke the bad news to me quickly:sad:...Of COURSE,ESPN here won't show it since we're stuck with a re-run of some stupid,fucking,boring-ass soccer game between Portugal and Albania that doubtlessly wasn't even worth watching LIVE:rolleyes:

Iceland
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:01 PM
And now she is down 41. She missed 2 BPs.
Obviously we don't have images of the net nor livescores. Great :rolleyes:.

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:06 PM
It just pisses me off how different the first set could of been.

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:07 PM
She's starting to play a little better now.
I feel like Marion must improve her foot-speed though.

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:07 PM
Another poor miss.

Iceland
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:11 PM
Marion saved 2 Sps just to miss her own BP. :(

2/6. :o
Please try to win 3 games in the second set at least.

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:14 PM
Well, Ivanovic served an ace on break point, but Marion is standing way too far inside the basline to return first serves :sigh:

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:18 PM
Big serve and Marion holds. Marion hit 8 winners but 10 errors and 2 doubles in that first.

bruce goose
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:21 PM
I can't believe this mierda!!! They're showing MEN'S tennis....MEN'S...F--KING TENNIS instead of Marion-Ana.Except for a hopeless nymphomaniac,who wants to watch that boring,worthless crap!!!:( What?They couldn't find any men's figure skating or men's field hockey competitions??:rolleyes:

'Doa',I need an impartial opinion:Is Ana playing like her old,Roland Garros self or is Marion just playing lousily??

Iceland
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:28 PM
Already broken in the second set too :lol:. She is pathetic. She really lost all her ideas about how to play a top 10 girl.

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:29 PM
Well, Marion broken (3 errors in the last game). She was never really going to stay with a well-playing Ivanovic with getting just 47% of her first serves in.

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:30 PM
Fantastic passing shot!!!!!!

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:31 PM
Big serves helping Ana. I don't want another beat down.

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:32 PM
Marion just can't return first serves anymore. I just want to grab hold of her and shout "Get behind the baseline"!

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:35 PM
2 errors contributed to getting broken in the last game.
Another beat down, I guess :sad:

bruce goose
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:39 PM
2 errors contributed to getting broken in the last game.
Another beat down, I guess :sad:I know that it's REALLY hard to be impartial when we care so much,but would you say that Marion is just playing like crap or is Ana forcing the issue with strong play?I can't tell since the livestream is showing MEN'S F--CKING,boring-ass tennis:(

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:42 PM
Ana has played very well, yes, but Marion has hit about 20 unforced errors, and her serve has completely let her down (3/11 on first serves in the second set :o). As I write this, she has just been broke to love.
Performances like this are very disheartening.

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:47 PM
3 break points. Poor play from Ana.

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:48 PM
Well, not a complete beat-down. It would be nice if she could hold here though.

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:50 PM
Another df :o

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:50 PM
Horrible error gives AI match point.

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 06:53 PM
2 great points. A few "come ons". Probably too little too late.

Marionated
Oct 16th, 2008, 07:13 PM
Well, she lost. She could of pressured Ana in the last game, but she gifted her two points with poor errors instead.

It's so hard to watch her play like this.

Her serve is so inconsistent (If only she could serve like she did for the majority of the match against Davenport at the US open all the time... she could definitely get back to the top 10).

Her groundstrokes were just average today, didn't take her chances on break points, serve was no where for most of the match, and over 20 unforced errors. There were a few Wow moments, but a poor performance as a whole. Ana did play well, yes, but Marion was just poor. If she had played her very best tennis, she could of won this.
I think maybe she should play a few tier 3 events to get some wins, because she just doesn't look confident at all at the moment.

Joee
Oct 16th, 2008, 08:22 PM
What a time for Ivano-bith :) to get her form.....

MARION you tried....we still love u :) :bounce::kiss::hearts:

Iceland
Oct 16th, 2008, 08:47 PM
Nothing surprising ... each time Marion loses, she has been pretty bad. :sad: I wonder what is the origin of the problem, why can't she play her game? ... is it mental? A kind of complex against top players now?
Hope she finishes the year on a better note than this. She better keep her energy for herself instead of wasting it on the FFT.