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woosey
Sep 9th, 2008, 11:03 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/sports/othersports/10cycling.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print

September 10, 2008
Armstrong Confirms Comeback Plan
By JULIET MACUR

After more than three years out of professional cycling, Lance Armstrong — the cancer survivor and seven-time Tour de France winner — announced Tuesday that he would emerge from retirement and climb back onto his bike.

In an e-mailed statement, Armstrong said he had discussed his comeback with his family and friends and decided to go ahead with it in order to “raise awareness of the global cancer burden.”

Armstrong, who turns 37 next week, did not explain his specific plans to compete again on an elite level, saying he would discuss his strategy at the Clinton Global Initiative on Sept. 24 in New York City.

He did not mention any possible team affiliations, but an article published Monday on the Web site of VeloNews, a prominent cycling publication, said Armstrong would join the Astana team next year. Johan Bruyneel, Armstrong’s former team manager, is the team manager of Astana.

The VeloNews story, citing “sources familiar with the developing situation,” said Armstrong will compete in five road races, including the Tour de France. The other events are the Amgen Tour of California, Paris-Nice, the Tour de Georgia and the Dauphiné Libéré.

In an article published Tuesday on the Web site of the magazine Vanity Fair, Armstrong discussed his comeback. He said he would contact President Nicolas Sarkozy of France to plead his case for an entry in the Tour de France if, “for some strange reason” the Amaury Sport Organization, which owns the Tour de France, does not give him and his team an entry into the race.

Armstrong said racing in the Leadville Trail 100, a 100-mile mountain bike race in August, spurred his interest in returning to the sport. In the Vanity Fair article, Armstrong said the Olympic triumphs of older athletes like the 41-year-old swimmer Dara Torres and the 38-year-old marathoner Constantina Tomescu-Dita showed him that it would be possible for him to return to racing even stronger than ever.

“Older athletes are performing very well,” Armstrong told the historian and journalist Douglas Brinkley. “Ask serious sports physiologists and they’ll tell you age is a wives’ tale. Athletes at 30, 35 mentally get tired. They’ve done their sport for 20, 25 years and they’re like, I’ve had enough. But there’s no evidence to support that when you’re 38 you’re any slower than when you were 32.”

Armstrong, who had been dogged by doping allegations during and even after his career, also mentioned that he wanted to test himself against athletes in this era of the sport. Referring to performance-enhancing drugs in cycling, he said there was a perception that this is the “cleanest generation” and that he had previously competed in the “dirty generation.”


“And, granted, I’ll be totally honest with you, the year that I won the Tour, many of the guys that got 2nd through 10th, a lot of them are gone. Out. Caught. Positive Tests. Suspended. Whatever. ... And so I can understand why people look at that and go, Well, [they] were caught — and you weren’t?” he told Vanity Fair. “So there is a nice element here where I can come with really a completely comprehensive program and there will be no way to cheat.”

Before the Leadville Trail 100 in August, in which Armstrong finished second, he began the proceedings for reinstatement to the United States Anti-Doping Agency’s out-of-competition testing pool, said Erin Hannan, a spokeswoman for the agency.

Athletes are required to be in the pool for at least six months before participating in elite-level competition, she said, though the Leadville race is not one of those competitions.

woosey
Sep 9th, 2008, 11:03 PM
i know the french are gonna test the f out of him.

Martian Jeza
Sep 9th, 2008, 11:04 PM
Lance Armstrong thinks of coming back but he will get a very bad reception here in Europe ! Screw the cheaters like him . He better not to come back or he will feel it.

woosey
Sep 9th, 2008, 11:14 PM
Lance Armstrong thinks of coming back but he will get a very bad reception here in Europe ! Screw the cheaters like him . He better not to come back or he will feel it.

bwahhhaaaaaaaa.

if he comes back and races under this new "clean" system and wins, then what?

and what will he feel. :lol:

RFSTB
Sep 9th, 2008, 11:41 PM
What's with these has been athletes who just can't let go of the glory days? Something like 5 or 6 of his former teammates have already been busted since his retirement. This time he'll either get nailed(finally) or fail miserably.

korben
Sep 10th, 2008, 12:15 AM
Yeah! Maybe we get him this time :)

A Magicman
Sep 10th, 2008, 07:50 AM
The sport is dead anyway, so let him come back.

Protoss
Sep 10th, 2008, 07:57 AM
Does he have a new way to beat the drug tests?

The Crow
Sep 10th, 2008, 08:17 AM
Lance Armstrong thinks of coming back but he will get a very bad reception here in Europe ! Screw the cheaters like him . He better not to come back or he will feel it.

Wow, you would have been happy living in the middle ages. Burning witches seems to be your cup of tea :tape:

Scotso
Sep 10th, 2008, 08:36 AM
I guess he wasn't getting enough media attention. Some people really need to learn how to retire to private life gracefully.

Wow, you would have been happy living in the middle ages. Burning witches seems to be your cup of tea :tape:

I don't think he's left his house since then, so he probably doesn't realize they're over.

Wojtek
Sep 10th, 2008, 09:53 AM
Cheater is back

Crazy Canuck
Sep 10th, 2008, 11:08 AM
I didn't realize that Lance Armstrong generated so much animosity.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Sep 10th, 2008, 11:14 AM
Lance Armstrong thinks of coming back but he will get a very bad reception here in Europe ! Screw the cheaters like him . He better not to come back or he will feel it.

Speak for yourself, thank you.

$uricate
Sep 10th, 2008, 01:32 PM
I didn't realize that Lance Armstrong generated so much animosity.

Everyone needs someone to dump on while the He Kexin debate has died down for a while.


:rolleyes:

Crazy Canuck
Sep 10th, 2008, 02:02 PM
Everyone needs someone to dump on while the He Kexin debate has died down for a while.


:rolleyes:
This comment would make sense, if people were actually expressing animosity towards He Kexin. Anybody who reads above a grade ten level understands that most don't blame the athlete, in that case.

Way to fail.

$uricate
Sep 10th, 2008, 03:47 PM
This comment would make sense, if people were actually expressing animosity towards He Kexin. Anybody who reads above a grade ten level understands that most don't blame the athlete, in that case.

Way to fail.

I said He Kexin debate.

Animosity exists in that thread, not necessarily directed at her, but at the Chinese government etc.


Lance Armstrong's drug use is only suspected, as He Kexin is only suspected of being underage. No doubt if we all start accusing him of cheating we will be lambasted by his fans and fellow Americans (and maybe Canadians too).

He is innocent until proven guilty, as is He Kexin.

Maajken
Sep 10th, 2008, 05:41 PM
He is innocent until proven guilty, as is He Kexin.
Some people tend to forget his 99 samples were positive, doesn't matter if he got away with it because of some administrative screw up.

So he's back huh? I guess genetic doping must be the way to go from now on.

Beat
Sep 10th, 2008, 05:44 PM
I didn't realize that Lance Armstrong generated so much animosity.
well, he hangs out a lot with matthew mcconaughey.

The Crow
Sep 10th, 2008, 06:59 PM
Some people tend to forget his 99 samples were positive, doesn't matter if he got away with it because of some administrative screw up.


Can you back that up or are you just babbling? :p

Kart
Sep 10th, 2008, 07:02 PM
I like Lance Armstrong.

Frode
Sep 10th, 2008, 07:05 PM
One off the greatest athletes I know off.:worship:

It would be great for the sport if he came back.

Crazy Canuck
Sep 10th, 2008, 07:38 PM
well, he hangs out a lot with matthew mcconaughey.

Finally, a good reason.

Crazy Canuck
Sep 10th, 2008, 07:40 PM
I said He Kexin debate.

Animosity exists in that thread, not necessarily directed at her, but at the Chinese government etc.


Lance Armstrong's drug use is only suspected, as He Kexin is only suspected of being underage. No doubt if we all start accusing him of cheating we will be lambasted by his fans and fellow Americans (and maybe Canadians too).

He is innocent until proven guilty, as is He Kexin.

The animosity in this thread is directed at the athlete, hence the He Kexin issue has nothing to do with my comment, that Armstong himself generates a lot of animosity. A lot of people get their panties in a twist over abortion, too; It would have been equally stupid to bring that up in order to make a point. Where exactly am I losing you on this?

Also, in case you hadn't noticed, Americans actually have no problems criticizing American athletes. Some have even done so in this thread. Catch up. It's okay to be critical and ask important questions about people who raise the same flag as you, in the better parts of the word. Yes, I really just wrote that.

Back to the point - why does Armstrong piss people off so much? Because he might have doped? Because he claims he's like, soooo totally innocent? Like everybody else? What am I missing?

woosey
Sep 10th, 2008, 08:26 PM
Back to the point - why does Armstrong piss people off so much? Because he might have doped? Because he claims he's like, soooo totally innocent? Like everybody else? What am I missing?

here are a few reasons why armstrong pisses people (the french mainly) off so much:

1. he is american, not french or even european. that's his biggest problem.

2. he does not speak french so that's an even bigger problem.

3. he is tres american, as in slightly cocky and arrogant.

4. he is from texas which explains 2&3, and well, that's just too much in common with another texan american - bush.

5. some people think that he flaunted his alleged drug-induced victories in the faces of the tour de france's organizers and of course the french public and of his fellow cyclists - case in point - the infamous stare he turned around to give ulrich when he passed him on the mountain.

6. he was never actually caught. and that pisses them off a lot.

*JR*
Sep 11th, 2008, 02:51 AM
Does he have a new way to beat the drug tests?
Sesil: "Oh Lance pleeeze, I'll do anything if you do. What, you say your team has 15 guys including the ones who maintain the bikes and all that? Not a problem, I'm very versatile. No Lance, its not as wide as the Channel Tunnel... uh, yet." :help:

Pasta-Na
Sep 11th, 2008, 03:20 AM
Everyone needs someone to dump on while the He Kexin debate has died down for a while.


:rolleyes:

:spit:

SloKid
Sep 11th, 2008, 11:27 AM
2. he does not speak french so that's an even bigger problem.
I believe you will find that Armstrong does speak French, may not be totally fluent, but he's capable of using it along with some other foreign lanuages.

hablo
Sep 11th, 2008, 12:46 PM
I wonder which untraceable version of steriods or EPO he will be using ?

hablo
Sep 11th, 2008, 12:48 PM
here are a few reasons why armstrong pisses people (the french mainly) off so much:

1. he is american, not french or even european. that's his biggest problem.

2. he does not speak french so that's an even bigger problem.

3. he is tres american, as in slightly cocky and arrogant.

4. he is from texas which explains 2&3, and well, that's just too much in common with another texan american - bush.

5. some people think that he flaunted his alleged drug-induced victories in the faces of the tour de france's organizers and of course the french public and of his fellow cyclists - case in point - the infamous stare he turned around to give ulrich when he passed him on the mountain.

6. he was never actually caught. and that pisses them off a lot.

Get your facts straight. Lance Armstrong can speak French. :haha:

Seyz
Sep 11th, 2008, 02:34 PM
MOre importantly, Lance Armstrong is a total player!!
I mean, which female celebrity is he going out with now??

Maajken
Sep 11th, 2008, 04:42 PM
Yeah he's a total slut.

woosey
Sep 11th, 2008, 08:51 PM
I believe you will find that Armstrong does speak French, may not be totally fluent, but he's capable of using it along with some other foreign lanuages.

Get your facts straight. Lance Armstrong can speak French. :haha:

my understanding is that it's not that great. :rolleyes:

and it's bad enough that the french get insulted when they hear it. :lol:

sammy01
Sep 11th, 2008, 10:53 PM
i hate him for hurting sheryl crow, anyone whos listened to diamond ring on her detours album knows he broke her heart.

woosey
Sep 11th, 2008, 11:01 PM
i hate him for hurting sheryl crow, anyone whos listened to diamond ring on her detours album knows he broke her heart.

i always thought it was strange that she was with him.

she wanted a child. he just divorced and already had children. he didn't seem like the type who'd want to live that life again, at least so soon.

obviously neither you or me are privy to the details of their relationship. but, i don't understand why a woman who wanted to have children allowed herself to be sucked into a relationship with a guy who more than likely had no interest in that...

she should have known better.

sammy01
Sep 11th, 2008, 11:10 PM
i always thought it was strange that she was with him.

she wanted a child. he just divorced and already had children. he didn't seem like the type who'd want to live that life again, at least so soon.

obviously neither you or me are privy to the details of their relationship. but, i don't understand why a woman who wanted to have children allowed herself to be sucked into a relationship with a guy who more than likely had no interest in that...

she should have known better.

she fell in love, it happens to the best of us. who hasn't been in a relationship and thought 'i can change him, he will do it for me'.
i can feel the pain in her voice when she sings diamond ring, the line 'someday you'll be like me, with someone who justs wants to be free, diamond ring, diamond ring fucks up everything'. i think we can all draw from this he wasn't willing to give her the commitment she wanted or needed.

i realy like sheryl theres something special about her.

Tamus
Sep 11th, 2008, 11:27 PM
Lance is an attention-seeking whore

aussie_fan
Sep 12th, 2008, 03:47 AM
I can't see the point of coming back, you've already won 7 titles, i don't think winning again will bring such a greater awareness to cancer.

It's a shame so many people here think he's a cheat. Good Luck to him.

RFSTB
Sep 12th, 2008, 04:29 AM
Lance is an arrogant, insufferable media whore, like his BFF Mathew McConaughey, the biggest media whore asshat in Hollywood. Every movie the guy's ever made is a flop. Nobody can stand him. Total box office poison.

I often wondered if the real reason Sheryl Crow broke up with him so abruptly(2 weeks before their wedding?) was because she found out he doped.

Maajken
Sep 12th, 2008, 05:24 AM
my understanding is that it's not that great. :rolleyes:

and it's bad enough that the french get insulted when they hear it. :lol:
Why would anyone get insulted when a foreigner tries to speak your language? :confused:

No one cares he's American or can('t) speak French. It's not the reason a lot of people don't like him. It's because for 7 years he made the Tour the most boring race ever, flaunting his arrogant attitude and on drugs while doing so.

KV
Sep 12th, 2008, 04:13 PM
Why would anyone get insulted when a foreigner tries to speak your language? :confused:

No one cares he's American or can('t) speak French. It's not the reason a lot of people don't like him. It's because for 7 years he made the Tour the most boring race ever, flaunting his arrogant attitude and on drugs while doing so.

Well, you have a point. What disturbs is how the media are going on about Lance and the tour of France (VRT included):o. Remember M. Indurain the difference he's won the tour of Italy & France for two consecutive years. About the tour of France many Italians are out of form cause of participating in the tour of Italy. Same goes for the Spaniards they are expected to be bang on form in the Vuelta, rather than the tour of France.
Well, whatever Cycling is more than the tour of France.

woosey
Sep 12th, 2008, 06:28 PM
Why would anyone get insulted when a foreigner tries to speak your language? :confused:

No one cares he's American or can('t) speak French. It's not the reason a lot of people don't like him. It's because for 7 years he made the Tour the most boring race ever, flaunting his arrogant attitude and on drugs while doing so.

in a post 9-11 world, the french had all kinds of reasons to be pissed off at americans. especially the ones who beat them, whether drugged or not.

and he flaunted his arrogance, cocky americanness in their faces. i'm not for using drugs, but i often thought it was funny.

and he didn't make the tour boring. he made it interesting. he was one of the only stars. the folks racing now are the boring ones.

Maajken
Sep 12th, 2008, 07:09 PM
I'm sure the French weren't pissed at him because he kept beating them lol. They never even had a top 3 contender the past 10 years. They may aswell be mad at everyone then :D

-Ph51-
Sep 12th, 2008, 07:16 PM
Why would anyone get insulted when a foreigner tries to speak your language? :confused:

No one cares he's American or can('t) speak French. It's not the reason a lot of people don't like him. It's because for 7 years he made the Tour the most boring race ever, flaunting his arrogant attitude and on drugs while doing so.

:worship:

The Crow
Sep 12th, 2008, 07:31 PM
I'm sure the French weren't pissed at him because he kept beating them lol. They never even had a top 3 contender the past 10 years. They may aswell be mad at everyone then :D

No they became pissed when Lance equalled and improved the record of their precious Bernard Hinault of most Tour de France wins. I think that was the time that Belgians became more and more pissed at him as well, since Merckx was also 'robbed' of his record.

Maajken
Sep 12th, 2008, 08:34 PM
No they became pissed when Lance equalled and improved the record of their precious Bernard Hinault of most Tour de France wins. I think that was the time that Belgians became more and more pissed at him as well, since Merckx was also 'robbed' of his record.
Ah like that. Well yeah that's possible :D

And understandable. At least Merckx etc. bothered to race the rest of the year also.

woosey
Sep 12th, 2008, 08:37 PM
and they hated that a cocky american rubbed everything in their faces. :lol:

that's my story and i'm sticking with it.

Maajken
Sep 12th, 2008, 08:44 PM
Because you're French and know what they're thinking?

woosey
Sep 12th, 2008, 08:48 PM
Because you're French and know what they're thinking?

because i'm american and know what the french are thinking. :devil::lol:

homogenius
Sep 12th, 2008, 08:53 PM
and they hated that a cocky american rubbed everything in their faces. :lol:

that's my story and i'm sticking with it.

Quite wrong.Armstrong was liked by most of the public for years (less than Lemond in his time but still).Being american wasn't the problem.people had respect for him winning all those "Tour de France" as a surivor of cancer etc...This respect started to disappear in the last years when a lot of things pointed out that he was doped like most of the others.

Crazy Canuck
Sep 12th, 2008, 08:54 PM
... who hasn't been in a relationship and thought 'i can change him, he will do it for me'. ...

Um... *raises hand*

People rarely change. Those that do, change for themselves. The sooner you learn this, the sooner you can avoid getting into stupid relationships.

You're welcome.

woosey
Sep 12th, 2008, 08:58 PM
Quite wrong.Armstrong was liked by most of the public for years (less than Lemond in his time but still).Being american wasn't the problem.people had respect for him winning all those "Tour de France" as a surivor of cancer etc...This respect started to disappear in the last years when a lot of things pointed out that he was doped like most of the others.

it's because he's american. :nerner:

homogenius
Sep 12th, 2008, 09:32 PM
it's because he's american. :nerner:

lol it must be that ;)

Maajken
Sep 12th, 2008, 09:44 PM
Yeah all europeans just hate americans.

And reading this thread, who can blame them :D