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azdaja
Aug 29th, 2008, 12:01 PM
you heard it here first :p

bruce goose
Aug 29th, 2008, 01:03 PM
you heard it here first :pAzdaja,I've enjoyed your insights and comments more than most everyone else's since you seem to have such keen insight into Ana.:)

Right now it's virtually impossible for me to even reach this page(got lucky).It could be a local 'Mexico problem' but I suspect that Ana's shocking loss created such a buzz that Tennis Forum can't handle the volume of traffic...the site has been a real disorganized clusterf..k for the last day or so:rolleyes:

Ana is the most enigmatic #1 ever and the only athlete she can even compare to is Mike Tyson:eek:...NOT as a person,thank God...but she has the talent to be maybe the best ever(certainly current #1)...and yet she loses badly to players that my sister could beat(like Tyson lost title to journeyman Buster Douglas)

I agree with people who say that Sven is NOT the problem,but I feel that Ana needs an additional voice who can focus solely on getting her MENTALLY sharper because,right now,she looks VERY much like the weakest #1 ever in terms of cerebral fortitude.Still,it's SOOO much fun to be an Ana fan:yeah:...the highs and lows make this beautiful Queen so human and she's TONS more exciting than the boring Graf ever was.:)

Cp6uja
Aug 29th, 2008, 04:06 PM
:rocker2:

Nice title for next Title ;)

Ana won grand slam in Europe (+ one GS final and tier-I title) and reach grand slam final in Australia. In America she won two tier-I titles and 2006 US Open series... so now it's time for her Asian breaktrough and big success. Injury prevent her to shine at Beijing Olympics, but she will be probably ready for Tokyo to finish what she started in 2007, and of course she will rocks in 2008 YEC in Doha.

aDJe™ Ana :drive: :bounce:

bruce goose
Aug 29th, 2008, 04:14 PM
:rocker2:

Nice title for next Title ;)



aDJe™ Ana :drive: :bounce:Yeah,it IS a great title:yeah:--exactly what we'd expect from Azdaja....Now we just need to see this title FULFILLED as Ana gets back on a positive track.:)

spiritedenergy
Aug 29th, 2008, 04:17 PM
what's wrong with the forum today? 90% of the times it gives only the top banner...:weirdo:

Anyways, Ana will shine under the Rising Sun and the Celestial Empire!!!

Go Ana trash them all:rocker2::music::armed:

bruce goose
Aug 29th, 2008, 04:22 PM
what's wrong with the forum today? 90% of the times it gives only the top banner...:weirdo:

You didn't hear??Tennis Forum uses cheap,inexpensive Mexican-made cables and wires for their computer hardware;therefore,the connection sucks:lol:

Seriously,I've wondered that Ana's loss caused an explosion of visitors and T.F. was just VERY poorly prepared for it(big surprise,huh?):rolleyes: Even the 'haters' need to talk about Ana cuz,though they're too proud to admit it,they actually love her.:)

The Daviator
Aug 29th, 2008, 11:15 PM
Good luck in Asia Ana :hug: Hopefully she'll do better with all the pressure now off.

dybbuk
Aug 29th, 2008, 11:37 PM
Ajde. :banana:

cindy
Aug 30th, 2008, 10:50 AM
here is what rafa nadal said about ana and her tennis right now. I think it's cute and supporting so I post it

"Q. Ana came in today. It was disappointing for her. She came in as No. 1, and there was a lot of talk about her about just coming in with the pressure of being No. 1.
RAFAEL NADAL: For Ana?

Q. Yeah. Do you feel that when you come in, especially when it's something that you just achieved and expectations are a lot higher of you, can that be difficult to deal with at times?
RAFAEL NADAL: I think it is different case of Ana and me. Ana is probably -- last year she start doing very well; this year she is continuing doing very well, no?
So she played the final of Australia, she did very well in Roland Garros. After one win like this, like in Roland Garros, after your first Grand Slam title, the normal thing is going a little bit down, no?
I think it's not for the No. 1, because you feel alive. I don't know. You feel a little bit alive when you win your first Grand Slam, so that's normal for her.
But I think she's very good and she going to continuing doing very well."

bruce goose
Aug 30th, 2008, 11:59 AM
Well,I lived in the U.S. for so many years without speaking Spanish that my grammar has suffered quite a bit;however,I do teach English to my countryfolk and can tell you that Rafa speaks it like a babbling drunk...he ain't gonna get any endorsements in the U.S. with that gibberish....Nevertheless,let's hope that his motives were pure:angel: in sticking up for Ana.She's such a charming,lovable person that I think that the media will be gentler with HER than they might've been if Hingis--who made her share of enemies as #1--had lost this way

lilimi
Aug 30th, 2008, 09:04 PM
what's wrong with the forum today? 90% of the times it gives only the top banner...:weirdo:

Anyways, Ana will shine under the Rising Sun and the Celestial Empire!!!

Go Ana trash them all:rocker2::music::armed:

OMG; i thought it was firefox 3 that was down:lol:
concerning Ana, of course she will be back, she is still young.
i don't think the number one spot is a problem for her. she must be tired mentally and physically. i think she put pressure on herself to win her first slam to prove she is a champion as some doubted she had the guts to win a slam. She won the French Open, and maybe lost a bit of motivation. but the problem in WTA, is that you don't have time to regroup yourself, to enjoy your biggest victories, because ther is always another tournament.
Ana will handle better those things, and very soon because she is a clever and positive girl. As soon as she'll regain motivation, that she'll set new goals for herself, and be on top form physically, she'll kick everyone ass on courts :drool:

jonnyroyale_13
Aug 30th, 2008, 10:19 PM
aDJe™ Ana :drive: :bounce:

:spit:


Cmon Ana!!:rocker2:

bruce goose
Aug 31st, 2008, 03:50 PM
Most of you are too young to remember this(I was just a little kid myself),but you can research this and you'll see it's true.There was a stretch from the mid-70s-1980 when Navratilova CONTINUALLY melted down and sprayed errors everywhere in tight matches vs. Evert.To her credit,Martina realized that she couldn't just 'wait for her confidence to return' or 'get back in match rhythm';these are some of the NON-solutions that people have suggested for Ana.I'll bet you that Henin could stretch out and get her body loose for a few minutes...and then beat Coin in straight sets without having picked up a racket for months...Serena could do the same.

My point is that sports counselling has helped MANY top athletes get where they are;there's no shame in it.Ana wouldn't sit on a couch and tell some shrink a dream about clouds she had in her childhood.NO,the sports counsellor is almost always a former athlete--with a little counselling background,of course--who can teach someone,based on first-hand experience,how to handle those pressure situations.Martina trained with gringa basketball legend Nancy Lieberman who helped her workout preparations AND,more importantly,showed her how to still her nerves when facing Evert....Martina credits this for her legendary streak of dominance.

From a results standpoint,it is INEXCUSABLE that Ana should lose badly to players of Coin's caliber.She should NOT lack confidence after winning RG,and other major tourneys,and achieving world #1.Maybe she WILL have a great Asian season(I sure hope so:D),but this problem will NOT go away for Ana.It'll KEEP coming back,OVER and OVER again,unless she takes CORRECTIVE action as Martina did.This is NOT that complicated.A good sports counsellor would NOT subvert Sven's positive coaching influence or authority,and Ana wouldn't have to change her style of play or become a different person.Again,look at the list of sports champions who vouch for this(Navrat is just one example);I'm SURE this would help Ana adjust so much better on those days when her shots aren't falling so easily,and this would lead to more unshakable confidence for her.:)

DownTheLine21
Aug 31st, 2008, 06:49 PM
Good luck in Asia Ana :hug: Hopefully she'll do better with all the pressure now off.

I hope you're right, although she does have a final to defend here.

Also, what are the five tournaments that Ana speaks of with regards to her fall schedule?

01. Tokyo
02. Beijing
03. Moscow
04. Zurich
05. YEC

Is this correct?

mure
Aug 31st, 2008, 06:56 PM
she'll play at Linz and not Moscow..not sure when exactly

Orbis
Aug 31st, 2008, 06:58 PM
I hope you're right, although she does have a final to defend here.

Also, what are the five tournaments that Ana speaks of with regards to her fall schedule?

01. Tokyo
02. Beijing
03. Moscow
04. Zurich
05. YEC

Is this correct?

I think she's playing Linz instead of Moscow. Unless she changed it?

Dexter
Aug 31st, 2008, 06:58 PM
There's no doubt that Ana will pick her form, it's just a matter when. Let's hope it starts in Tokyo. AJDE!

DownTheLine21
Aug 31st, 2008, 06:58 PM
I wonder why she would skip the Tier I of the indoor season to play another Tier II?

spiritedenergy
Aug 31st, 2008, 07:02 PM
aDJe Ana!!:bounce:

The Daviator
Aug 31st, 2008, 07:34 PM
I hope you're right, although she does have a final to defend here.

Also, what are the five tournaments that Ana speaks of with regards to her fall schedule?

01. Tokyo
02. Beijing
03. Moscow
04. Zurich
05. YEC

Is this correct?

Tokyo points came off in February I believe :p

DownTheLine21
Aug 31st, 2008, 07:39 PM
Tokyo points came off in February I believe :p

Now that you mention it, I'm sure that you're correct. This is great news. I was hoping that she could face as little pressure as possible in her next tournament.

SOA_MC
Aug 31st, 2008, 08:40 PM
So Ana is not defending her Luxembourg title? I think that's a good actually the pressure defending a title is the last thing she needs now

DownTheLine21
Aug 31st, 2008, 08:43 PM
Luxembourg has been downgraded to Tier III status this year, correct?

jonnyroyale_13
Aug 31st, 2008, 08:48 PM
according to upcoming tournaments section its a tier III
i dont see any reason to defend tier 2's the following year anyway though, if the points are the same at a different tournament, go try something else. plus Luxembourg is so hard to watch with the weird camera angle

DownTheLine21
Aug 31st, 2008, 08:53 PM
according to upcoming tournaments section its a tier III
i dont see any reason to defend tier 2's the following year anyway though, if the points are the same at a different tournament, go try something else. plus Luxembourg is so hard to watch with the weird camera angle

Yes. I was so frustrated with it last year.

SOA_MC
Aug 31st, 2008, 09:01 PM
Whoops:o Didn't know Luxembourg was downgraded. After the last 2 months Ana will be hungry to attack the indoor season

Look out:armed:

DownTheLine21
Aug 31st, 2008, 09:26 PM
I was just rewatching the second set of the RG final. Ana played so brilliantly. Her forehand was on fire, but her rallying abilities were amazing as well. Basically everything about her game was so drastically different than what we saw at the USO this year. Hopefully she can get back to that level this fall.

jonnyroyale_13
Aug 31st, 2008, 09:31 PM
^hope so. For me i have to learn things the hard way, or i never learn. Failure can be rewarding in the long run.

question for anyone that wants it- what are some of the main problems in technique that you observe when errors are flying off Ana's forehand?
I watched both USO matches in foreign commentary, but my observation is that she was striking the ball from more to her side and not out in front like she does when its on. I cant really put it in good words:weirdo: Anyone have a good analysis, or what to look for on the errors when watching a match?

spiritedenergy
Aug 31st, 2008, 09:31 PM
:sobbing: Ana come back yourself, don't let those wannabes steal your spotlight:o

DownTheLine21
Aug 31st, 2008, 09:40 PM
^hope so. For me i have to learn things the hard way, or i never learn. Failure can be rewarding in the long run.

question for anyone that wants it- what are some of the main problems in technique that you observe when errors are flying off Ana's forehand?
I watched both USO matches in foreign commentary, but my observation is that she was striking the ball from more to her side and not out in front like she does when its on. I cant really put it in good words:weirdo: Anyone have a good analysis, or what to look for on the errors when watching a match?

Yeah. She's not hitting her forehand properly, but I think that the problems are due to rest and a lack of confidence. I'm sure that her team will be working on the forehand side extensively in the weeks leading up to Tokyo. When her forehand is "on," it's extremely reliable and penetrates the court beautifully. But, as we've seen, when it's off...:help:

gaviotabr
Aug 31st, 2008, 10:08 PM
I also think Ana was hitting her forehand to her side, and the follow through wasn't very good either. But I think the main problema at the Us Open was her focus. She didn't have that determined look she had at RG. I don't know if that is because of lack of confidence.. but she also let things get to her head. I think that overhead she missed at 4-2 deuce in the second set against Dushevina trew her out of the second set.. she totally lost concentration. And in the match against Coin there were 2 of those moments. The first was also a missed overhead, when she was serving at 3-3 deuce first set. She double faulted to concede the break and then couldn't even hold serve when trailing 5-3. The second moment was when she missed al 3 break points opportunities when 2-2 0-40. She got down on herself and lost 12 of the next 13 points. That was definetely because of lack of focus. It was a mental game.. and she needs to learn how to keep cool and overcome those moments. I thought she was getting quite good in that as she kept cool in RG during many moments, but since then everytime she loses some opportunities she either loses serve right after or has a lot of trouble to hold.

gaviotabr
Aug 31st, 2008, 10:16 PM
I was looking at the entry list for Tokyo, and it's definitely a good oportunity for Ana to do well and regain confidence. I thought the Williams and Dementieva were going to play, but it seems that they aren't on the list.

1 - Ana Ivanovic
2 - Jelena Jankovic
3 - Svetlana Kuznetsova
4 - Dinara Safina
5 - Anna Chakvetadze
6 - Daniela Hantuchova
7 - Marion Bartoli
8 - Nadia Petrova
9 - Alize Cornet
10 - Na Li
11 - Nicole Vaidisova
12 - Caroline Wozniacki
13 - Shahar Peer
14 - Dominika Cibulkova
15 - Ai Sugiyama
16 - Amelie Mauresmo
17- Alisa Kleybanova
19 - Tamarine Tanasugarn
20 - Pauline Parmentier
21 - Casey Dellacqua
22 - Kaia Kanepi
23 - WC Aiko Nakamura
24 - WC Ayumi Morita
25 - Gold Exempt WC
4 Q

gaviotabr
Aug 31st, 2008, 10:35 PM
And I guess for Beijing it will be about the same players.. other chinese girls probably..

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Aug 31st, 2008, 11:11 PM
I wonder why she would skip the Tier I of the indoor season to play another Tier II?

I thought you follow Ana already for a long time?
Ana never played Moscow. It mostly doesn't fit for her.
Last 2 year it was planned as playing 2 weeks, then Moscow off and playing 2 weeks.

Now she's going for Asia since Tokyo is moved. That will eliminate Stuttgart. But it do surprises me that she entered Linz. Although it would mean that Zurich was her only indoor tournament. So it's not that weird.

DownTheLine21
Aug 31st, 2008, 11:15 PM
I thought you follow Ana already for a long time?
Ana never played Moscow. It mostly doesn't fit for her.
Last 2 year it was planned as playing 2 weeks, then Moscow off and playing 2 weeks.

Now she's going for Asia since Tokyo is moved. That will eliminate Stuttgart. But it do surprises me that she entered Linz. Although it would mean that Zurich was her only indoor tournament. So it's not that weird.

I knew that she didn't play in 2006 or 2007, but I thought that, with the dates changing around this year, she might give it a shot.

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 1st, 2008, 05:01 AM
I was looking at the entry list for Tokyo, and it's definitely a good oportunity for Ana to do well and regain confidence. I thought the Williams and Dementieva were going to play, but it seems that they aren't on the list.

Its a great chance for sure. Imagine one year ago if a tier one entry list looked like that, Ana would be sure favorite. Im feeling a turnaround coming very soon. Its kind of strange but after a horrific tournament it seems we already cant wait for her to play again.:drool: I miss the matchups of Ana versus Daniela Hantuchova. Their YEC match is one i can watch over and over.

bruce goose
Sep 1st, 2008, 05:20 AM
I miss the matchups of Ana versus Daniela Hantuchova. Their YEC match is one i can watch over and over.They are two beautiful angels who defy logic with their warmth and honest likability.

kinseh
Sep 1st, 2008, 10:02 PM
Nice thread title. :cool:

Let's hope Ana will have a good indoor season - and let's hope that her good form starts in Tokyo! Ajde! :hug:

DownTheLine21
Sep 2nd, 2008, 12:53 AM
Let us remember....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNQ8FnBQtRA&feature=related

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 2nd, 2008, 02:13 AM
let us also remember...the PPO sushi plate:drool: I hope they still give this thing away, and Ana gets the big one.
http://martinaworld.com/photos/albums/uploads/tokyo%202007/normal_Tokyo_07107.jpg

Cp6uja
Sep 2nd, 2008, 09:04 AM
Onto Asia
August 30, 2008

I am obviously extremely disappointed with my performance at the US Open. It's been a very tough month or so and now I just want to look forward. For sure there is a lot to look forward to, with five more tournaments before the end of the season.

I was badly under-prepared in New York, because of my thumb injury. To just be able to play was a victory for me in some ways, but of course I am not happy with how things went on the court.

The good news is that I am now over this injury and I can practice normally again for the first time in what seems like a long time. If I can have a good preparation period in Europe over the next two weeks then I am confident of doing very well in Tokyo and Beijing.

There's no reason to panic. All these tough experiences make the victories sweeter, and I am now more motivated than ever to train hard.

Love
Ana

:kiss::angel:

nenohal
Sep 2nd, 2008, 09:23 AM
Ana has been lately anything but spectacular and she's showing too many ups and downs in her form. This is the reason why I fancy JJ to finish the year as the world No.1 because she has more consistency than Ana.

bruce goose
Sep 2nd, 2008, 12:13 PM
Cp6uja's post with Ana's comments SOUNDS good,but it's one thing for her to SAY that she'll play with more poise and confidence--it's super easy to say that--it's something entirely different to actually DO it.After having reached #1,won RG in dominant fashion and received the praise & adulation of the tennis world,it doesn't make sense to me that her confidence would've plummeted so easily,and so low,before her recent losses(NOT counting the thumb-affected loss to Paszek).I'd love nothing more than for Ana to prove that this stretch in her career was a fluke that'll never re-surface.A winning,smiling Ana would be the great reward if this were true.:)

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 2nd, 2008, 01:20 PM
I was looking at the entry list for Tokyo, and it's definitely a good oportunity for Ana to do well and regain confidence. I thought the Williams and Dementieva were going to play, but it seems that they aren't on the list.

1 - Ana Ivanovic
2 - Jelena Jankovic
3 - Svetlana Kuznetsova
4 - Dinara Safina
5 - Anna Chakvetadze
6 - Daniela Hantuchova
7 - Marion Bartoli
8 - Nadia Petrova
9 - Alize Cornet
10 - Na Li
11 - Nicole Vaidisova
12 - Caroline Wozniacki
13 - Shahar Peer
14 - Dominika Cibulkova
15 - Ai Sugiyama
16 - Amelie Mauresmo
17- Alisa Kleybanova
19 - Tamarine Tanasugarn
20 - Pauline Parmentier
21 - Casey Dellacqua
22 - Kaia Kanepi
23 - WC Aiko Nakamura
24 - WC Ayumi Morita
25 - Gold Exempt WC
4 Q

i think serena is playing this tournie as well since its on her website...so one more top name to add ;)

gaviotabr
Sep 2nd, 2008, 01:33 PM
i think serena is playing this tournie as well since its on her website...so one more top name to add ;)

Now that you said it.. It's also on Dementieva's web. So I guess we can add them both.. weird that their names are not on the entry list at the PPO web..

Basicaly everybody is going to have the same schedule.. Ana has a slightly different one though. Ana is going to play PPO, China Open, then 2 weeks off, Zurich, Linz, one week off, and YEC. Most of the top players are planning on playing PPO, Sttutgart, Moscow, Zurich. I don't know how they will do it.. but both Jelena and Dinara are on the entry lists of PPO, China Open, Sttutgart, Moscow and Zurich. That's like 5 weeks of playing on a row.. and if Dinara plays the Fed Cup final, it would actually be 8 weeks of playing on a row!

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 2nd, 2008, 01:37 PM
I also think Ana was hitting her forehand to her side, and the follow through wasn't very good either. But I think the main problema at the Us Open was her focus. She didn't have that determined look she had at RG. I don't know if that is because of lack of confidence.. but she also let things get to her head. I think that overhead she missed at 4-2 deuce in the second set against Dushevina trew her out of the second set.. she totally lost concentration. And in the match against Coin there were 2 of those moments. The first was also a missed overhead, when she was serving at 3-3 deuce first set. She double faulted to concede the break and then couldn't even hold serve when trailing 5-3. The second moment was when she missed al 3 break points opportunities when 2-2 0-40. She got down on herself and lost 12 of the next 13 points. That was definetely because of lack of focus. It was a mental game.. and she needs to learn how to keep cool and overcome those moments. I thought she was getting quite good in that as she kept cool in RG during many moments, but since then everytime she loses some opportunities she either loses serve right after or has a lot of trouble to hold.

on this issue...ana has major confidence issues on her fh..because she couldn't practise normally with it her rust comes out in play...so then she starts making errors on simple fh shots which for a player, especially the ones at top, kills you the most....you can handle missing a shot when going for a winner or when on the defence...but when you start making errors on simple shots in the middle of a rally it gets into your head...

despite ms. austin's "brilliant" reasoning, i don't think it's the pressure....i think she made a bad call by not playing eastbourne and then came the injury so it's all just been down hill from there...it will pick up...all she needs is a few good wins and it will be back to normal :)

gaviotabr
Sep 2nd, 2008, 01:53 PM
on this issue...ana has major confidence issues on her fh..because she couldn't practise normally with it her rust comes out in play...so then she starts making errors on simple fh shots which for a player, especially the ones at top, kills you the most....you can handle missing a shot when going for a winner or when on the defence...but when you start making errors on simple shots in the middle of a rally it gets into your head...

despite ms. austin's "brilliant" reasoning, i don't think it's the pressure....i think she made a bad call by not playing eastbourne and then came the injury so it's all just been down hill from there...it will pick up...all she needs is a few good wins and it will be back to normal :)

I agree with you.. I also think that all she needs to pick up some form again is a few good wins, to get her confident. I was thinking.. maybe if she could have closed that match against Dushevina in 2 sets she would've been less nervous and less unsure of her shots against Coin.. but that's past anyway...

I still think she needs to learn how to keep cool and not get too frustrated when she misses those simple shots. Because it's almost like she has some kind of blackout...

gaviotabr
Sep 3rd, 2008, 02:34 AM
So Ana just lost the number 1 ranking. I'm actually happy about it.. I tought I would be a little upset, but I'm not. I miss watching Ana playing well, with that beautiful smile she has. Ever since she became number one she has been really serious on court and the tennis.. well, not good at all. Apart of the bad luck with the thumb injury. I just hope that now, with the pressure off, and with some good preparation, she can come back stronger and just win matches having fun, since that is what it's all about.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 3rd, 2008, 06:19 AM
So Ana just lost the number 1 ranking. I'm actually happy about it.. I tought I would be a little upset, but I'm not. I miss watching Ana playing well, with that beautiful smile she has. Ever since she became number one she has been really serious on court and the tennis.. well, not good at all. Apart of the bad luck with the thumb injury. I just hope that now, with the pressure off, and with some good preparation, she can come back stronger and just win matches having fun, since that is what it's all about.

I still find it stupid to think she played bad cause of being nr 1.
If you have pain for such a long time, then it's obvious she never had a good practise and it's also going to your head.

Ana played many bad matches while she wasn't nr 1.
Yan, Pironkova, Shvedova and all the 1-6 2-6 and 3-6 1-6 losses.
Ana is still Ana and after a few years I know what it means.

Ana will come back with good results but it doesn't have a thing to do with not being nr 1.

azdaja
Sep 3rd, 2008, 10:01 AM
i am not happy about ana losing her # 1 ranking. since she is not playing consistently enough she won't be able to get there very often and i want her to be there for at least 20+ weeks. it will be very difficult for her to get back to # 1 this year. but then again next summer she will have virtually nothing to defend.

i am not sure how her ranking influenced her game, but it certainly didn't as much as this stupid injury :shrug:

whatever, just bring on the next tournament :armed:

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 3rd, 2008, 06:01 PM
whatever, just bring on the next tournament :armed:

That's talking!

Although the differences between the players ain't that much, it can be pretty difficult for Ana to get the 1st spot back.
She still has to defend Luzembourg and later Madrid. That's more than Jelena.
If you look at next year. In the first 6 months she won a Tier I and reached both finals of the grandslams. It's pretty hard to get the nr 1 position back there.

bruce goose
Sep 3rd, 2008, 06:05 PM
The one thing that Sjoerd forgot to mention--or maybe he was implying it--is CONSISTENCY.Ana has ALL of the talent necesary to re-claim the top spot,but she has never shown herself consistent enough to sustain top-level play for more than a couple months.There are always some bad,1st-round flameouts thrown into the mix.Of course,THIS is also rectifiable,right,Ana?:hearts:

gaviotabr
Sep 3rd, 2008, 07:11 PM
That's talking!

Although the differences between the players ain't that much, it can be pretty difficult for Ana to get the 1st spot back.
She still has to defend Luzembourg and later Madrid. That's more than Jelena.
If you look at next year. In the first 6 months she won a Tier I and reached both finals of the grandslams. It's pretty hard to get the nr 1 position back there.

Yes.. it's going to be hard for Ana to reclaim the top spot. She would have to win Tokyo, since it's the only Tier I she is going to play, the YEC, and do really well in the 3 Tier IIs. Jelena has less to defend, but she would have to win big to add to her rankings also, since she has 90 as 17 best result. If she wins the US Open, then I'm almost sure she will be year end number one. The same for Serena. If neither wins, then it might be still quite open coming the YEC.

Ana needs to have a good fall season if she wants to be year end top 5. There are 6 players really fighting for the positions in the top 5.

The player most likely to get points in the first half of next year is Safina. She has almost nothing to defend until Berlin. But Ana will have a lot of opportunities to at least mantain her points. We have to think that even though she reached the final at the Australian Open, she lost early in Dubai and had to withdraw after the first match in Doha. She can get points there. Then she has Indian Wells to defend, but she lost early in Miami and Rome. She has RG to defend, but literally nothing in the summer. So if she loses points in some of the tournaments, she can still gain in others, to at least mantain her points. But that would demand some consistency. That's what Ana needs to learn. And I think to achieve that she needs to work on her mental game. She has focus problems.

When Ana lost the Roland Garros final last year, and then the Australian Open this year, she aknowledged her difficulties in big matches and worked on it. That's the main reason she was able to win Roland Garros this year. If she wants to be number one and win more Grand Slams, she needs to really find the problems she is having that aren't allowing her to be consistent and work directly on it.

bruce goose
Sep 3rd, 2008, 07:31 PM
It's interesting that my Brazilian amigo mentioned Safina in his post,because this shows us a poignant contrast.Dinara STILL loses her temper sometimes,but look at the BIG difference between the old Dina and the current one.NOW she knows how to gather herself when her shots are a little bit off,and she can come back EVEN against elite players when she's trailing.

These results didn't arise simply from "getting more match play" or logging a couple victories(SUUPOSED solutions for Ana).It's KNOWN that Dinara and her team FOCUSED on strengthening her mental game--they didn't ignore the problem--and the benefits have been obvious.Dinara vs. Ana:hearts: would be a thrilling,long-term WTA rivalry,both tennis- and beauty-wise.

gaviotabr
Sep 3rd, 2008, 07:47 PM
It's interesting that my Brazilian amigo mentioned Safina in his post,because this shows us a poignant contrast.Dinara STILL loses her temper sometimes,but look at the BIG difference between the old Dina and the current one.NOW she knows how to gather herself when her shots are a little bit off,and she can come back EVEN against elite players when she's trailing.

These results didn't arise simply from "getting more match play" or logging a couple victories(SUUPOSED solutions for Ana).It's KNOWN that Dinara and her team FOCUSED on strengthening her mental game--they didn't ignore the problem--and the benefits have been obvious.Dinara vs. Ana:hearts: would be a thrilling,long-term WTA rivalry,both tennis- and beauty-wise.

Yes.. lets see if Ana adresses it directly to improve.

Game wise, I really think Ana needs to work on her serve. I think I've never seen her hit so many double faults in one match than in her match against Coin. And since Indian Wells she has been playing with a very low service porcentage. I also think that she takes a lot of confidence from her serve and when it deserts her, her whole game suffers.

gaviotabr
Sep 3rd, 2008, 07:51 PM
This is from Ana's Diary, in February:



What I am most pleased about is winning my match after injuring my ankle.
That was a big achievement for me and I can look back on that with pride.

It’s been a very good start to the season.
I am at my highest ever ranking – at least I will be back there tomorrow – and I have only lost two matches, both of them to top players.
I am just hoping that my ankle recovers in time for me to compete in Dubai on Wednesday.



She seemed very proud that she had only lost against top players. I think she should recover that feeling and use it to find a way to win these hard matches against lower ranked players.

gaviotabr
Sep 3rd, 2008, 08:43 PM
I don't want to go to GM.. but I've just seen the new WTA calendar for 2009. I wonder wich tournaments Ana is going to play...

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/3/global/includes/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/global/pdfs/events/2009/TourCalendar.pdf

I guess:

Brisbane
Australian Open
Dubai
Indian Wells
Miami
Rome
Madrid
Roland Garros
Eastbourne
Wimbledon
Cincinnati
Toronto
US Open
Tokyo
Beijing
Doha (Hopefully!)

16 tournaments.. that's what is going to count for the rankings anyway.. maybe she will play one more in the summer, or Paris before Dubai..

And the on-court coaching is back, permanently.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 3rd, 2008, 09:05 PM
I don't want to go to GM.. but I've just seen the new WTA calendar for 2009. I wonder wich tournaments Ana is going to play...

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/3/global/includes/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/global/pdfs/events/2009/TourCalendar.pdf

I guess:

Brisbane
Australian Open
Dubai
Indian Wells
Miami
Rome
Madrid
Roland Garros
Eastbourne
Wimbledon
Cincinnati
Toronto
US Open
Tokyo
Beijing
Doha (Hopefully!)

16 tournaments.. that's what is going to count for the rankings anyway.. maybe she will play one more in the summer, or Paris before Dubai..

And the on-court coaching is back, permanently.


It pretty much would look like that. It will mean that she plays no indoor tournament at all.
It's nice for once to take a week off before playing AO.
Eastbourne is always an issue. It's been in her schedule since 2005 but never played there.
Only tournament that she might add is Charleston. Moscow looks again like a no.

Ana was knocked out early in Doha and Dubai, but she has only Dubai to gain points again.

gaviotabr
Sep 3rd, 2008, 09:21 PM
It pretty much would look like that. It will mean that she plays no indoor tournament at all.
It's nice for once to take a week off before playing AO.
Eastbourne is always an issue. It's been in her schedule since 2005 but never played there.
Only tournament that she might add is Charleston. Moscow looks again like a no.

Ana was knocked out early in Doha and Dubai, but she has only Dubai to gain points again.

I think she is going to play Eastbourne next year. She really felt the lack of preparation playing Wimbledon without any tune up events on grass, and I have a feeling her team will want her to be better prepared this time around.

Dubai is a 2 million tournament, so it will probably give out more points than it did this year. And she might add Paris, wich will be a big Tier II kind of tournament.

I don't think she will add Charleston. I think she will get holidays after Miami again.

bruce goose
Sep 3rd, 2008, 09:32 PM
I think she is going to play Eastbourne next year. She really felt the lack of preparation playing Wimbledon without any tune up events on grass, and I have a feeling her team will want her to be better prepared this time around.

There's ANOTHER thing they can do that Sven has probably already considered:During a break between tourneys,even before the grass-court season STARTS,the team can do some grass-court hitting where Sven could find some strong,male server to fire some shots at Ana so that she can improve her return of service.This is a fundamental aspect of fast-court play that could be bettered through simple dedication.This type of drilling is what enabled a tall,immobile girl like Davenport to win Wimbledon.Without the effort,it simply ain't gonna happen,yet this would even raise Ana's rally play since lots of opponents try to exploit her height by nailing low balls around her ankles.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 3rd, 2008, 09:35 PM
I think she is going to play Eastbourne next year. She really felt the lack of preparation playing Wimbledon without any tune up events on grass, and I have a feeling her team will want her to be better prepared this time around.

Dubai is a 2 million tournament, so it will probably give out more points than it did this year. And she might add Paris, wich will be a big Tier II kind of tournament.

I don't think she will add Charleston. I think she will get holidays after Miami again.

Paris will be a no for sure. Dubai is kinda what Doha was this year. I actually wonder how the rankings points will look like. Brisbane is like a Tier III but still you can expect a strong field there.

Not playing Eastbourne was cause of a little injury and better risk nothing for Wimbledon. The little and light practise was the thing they should've changed.
16 tournaments look good, but every year she had to pull out of at least 1 of them. :help:

gaviotabr
Sep 3rd, 2008, 09:46 PM
Paris will be a no for sure. Dubai is kinda what Doha was this year. I actually wonder how the rankings points will look like. Brisbane is like a Tier III but still you can expect a strong field there.

Not playing Eastbourne was cause of a little injury and better risk nothing for Wimbledon. The little and light practise was the thing they should've changed.
16 tournaments look good, but every year she had to pull out of at least 1 of them. :help:

You are right.. I still think she is going to play Eastbourne though.. lets see...

I have a feeling she will add a tournament or 2 to the list we have made. But can't decide what tournaments she might be tempted to play.

I guess Moscow is a no again, unless she needs points to play YEC, which hopefully will not be the case.

I also wonder how the ranking points will look like. I'm thinking it will be 500 points for the winner of the mandatory events, about 400 to the 2 million tournaments, 300 to the 1 million tournaments, 200 to the 700 tournaments. But I would like to see the actual points break down. I haven't found it..

The Daviator
Sep 3rd, 2008, 10:52 PM
As for getting #1 back, I'm confident she can defend Roland Garros, she's only going to get better on clay, I hope she wins at least 1 of Rome or Madrid too, would love her to just rule that surface :hearts: And she loves Australia and that's another good surface for her so I hope she can have another good result there, hard to see her defending IW or winning Miami.

If she practices hard and works on her consistency she could go on a tear in the next few tournaments, all the other top players must be seriously tired and Ana is at least well-rested cos of the thumb, she better win at least 1 of these titles :o

gaviotabr
Sep 3rd, 2008, 11:50 PM
As for getting #1 back, I'm confident she can defend Roland Garros, she's only going to get better on clay, I hope she wins at least 1 of Rome or Madrid too, would love her to just rule that surface :hearts: And she loves Australia and that's another good surface for her so I hope she can have another good result there, hard to see her defending IW or winning Miami.

If she practices hard and works on her consistency she could go on a tear in the next few tournaments, all the other top players must be seriously tired and Ana is at least well-rested cos of the thumb, she better win at least 1 of these titles :o

Ana is the best player on clay nowadays, and it's true that she can only improve. I'd love to see her defend Roland Garros, but for that she will need to improve her mental game, so that she doesn't feel pressure. I still remember how terribly she played in Berlin.. and that was not only because of lack of preparation, it was also that she didn't deal well with being the defending champion. I believe she will do well on the tune up events, as there is no pressure, not many points to defend, and she will have time to prepare.

I'm confident that she will do well in Australia. It's her favorite country, she feels at home. And the slow hard courts also suits her game. Ana is a player who needs to have good preparation, and the beginning of the season is great for that, as she will probably spend part of december and the entire month of january preparing and playing in Australia.

Defending Indian Wells might be difficult.. but she can still do very well there. And I hope she can finally have a good tournament in Miami.

Regarding the next tournaments.. I hope she gets at least 2 titles. She will be well rested and well prepared... with other top players tired. Tokyo and Zurich will have strong fields, but Beijing and Linz won't have all the top players. She better be focused and fighting for some good wins, as she really needs it, to get her confidence back.

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 4th, 2008, 05:37 AM
Game wise, I really think Ana needs to work on her serve. I think I've never seen her hit so many double faults in one match than in her match against Coin. And since Indian Wells she has been playing with a very low service porcentage.
Serve percentage since Indian Wells = 60.4%(875/1449)
Beginning of 2008 up to Indian Wells= 63.3%(844/1332)
2008 First Serve Percentage in = 61.8%(1719/2781)
For the entire 2007 season it was = 57.23%(includes everything but Antwerp)
Its down since Indian Wells, but its still not so bad. I think its the percent of points she wins when she does get it in that has dropped off a bit.
Last year when she had a first serve percent of more than 65% she was 11-0. Two of her last 3 losses shes been over 65%- against Coin she served 66%(57/87), and against Zheng 67%(37/55).
As for double faults, she had 8 in the Coin match, and 9 in the Kvitova Montreal match. Going back to the beginning of 2006 the highest i know of are
9 - 2007 Antwerp 2R vs Dechy
9 - 2008 Montreal 2R vs Kvitova
8 - 2006 Miami 2R vs Benesova
8 - 2006 Linz 1R vs Krajicek
8 - 2007 Indian Wells 4R vs Bammer
8 - 2008 US Open 2R vs Coin
Considering the 2 in blue are the last consecutive tournaments its kinda ugly:unsure:. Its possible there are some much worse from 2006 still.
One really ugly stat from the Coin match is the percent of points won on the return game. Looking at every match since she entered the top 10 in 2007 , only 4 times has she had a lower percent of points won on return game than the Coin match, and the other 4 matches were well earned by the opponents:
20%(10/50) - 2008 Australian Open Final vs Sharapova
26%(14/53) - 2007 US Open 4R vs Venus Williams
28%(11/40) - 2007 YEC RR3 vs Sharapova
30%(13/44) - 2007 Roland Garros Final vs Henin
32%(27/85) - 2008 US open 2R vs Coin
That match has no buisness being grouped with the others.:help: Not surprisingly, she hasnt been over 50% on return points won since the DeLosRios match.

Ana's about to bust out. I can feel it.:drool:

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 4th, 2008, 07:24 AM
Brisbane
Australian Open
Dubai
Indian Wells
Miami
Rome
Madrid
Roland Garros
Eastbourne
Wimbledon
Cincinnati
Toronto
US Open
Tokyo
Beijing
Doha (Hopefully!)


How do you figure Cincinnati? I hope you are right, ive never been to a tournament. Im f*ckin there if she does!:bounce:

bruce goose
Sep 4th, 2008, 07:43 AM
How do you figure Cincinnati? I hope you are right, ive never been to a tournament. Im f*ckin there if she does!:bounce:He figures Cincinnati because it has been upgraded to a $2 million dollar tournament for next year,and it's status and overall quality will be raised.

gaviotabr
Sep 4th, 2008, 12:38 PM
How do you figure Cincinnati? I hope you are right, ive never been to a tournament. Im f*ckin there if she does!:bounce:

I think she will play Cincinnati because it will be a Premium event, a 2 million tournament, together with Toronto/Montreal, the only summer events that will give that much money and more points. But if she doesn't want to play consecutive weeks, she might choose LA instead. What would you do? Try to play 2 Tier Is or a Tier I and a Tier II?

And thanks for all the info about her serve! I actually had the impression she had a higher serve percentage in Indian Wells.. maybe because of the last two matches, that she served above 70%. Still, since then I don't think she earns that many free points with her serve, maybe because of placement, I don't know.

About the return game.. I think that when things aren't really working Ana tries to smack the ball on returns, which is definitely not good, since she mostly misses it, either wide or on the net. She needs to be able to stop and think, have a middle game, return the ball on court and build the point.

Yesterday I was watching the Venus-Serena US Open quarterfinal, and I thought Serena was so smart on those set points Venus had. She didn't go for all or nothing, in a desperate mood that Ana has sometimes.. she just was calm enough to exchange balls and waited for Venus to miss. Of course there was some luck involved. I keep remembering the matches Ana had almost lost and managed to come back, like against Vaidisova in Wimbledon or Jankovic in LA and RG. Ana played brilliant low percentage tennis, going for her shots and getting it right. I admire her courage, but there are moments when she is not that sharp, the ball will not go in, and that she will need to realise it, stop and think.. "ok, most of my shots are going out today.. lets take a breath and be calm, build a point next time".

bruce goose
Sep 4th, 2008, 01:10 PM
VERY well said,amigo:hatoff:

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 4th, 2008, 05:59 PM
I think she will play Cincinnati because it will be a Premium event, a 2 million tournament, together with Toronto/Montreal, the only summer events that will give that much money and more points. But if she doesn't want to play consecutive weeks, she might choose LA instead. What would you do? Try to play 2 Tier Is or a Tier I and a Tier II?
Its the first i ever heard any of this. Thanks for the info. Wow, i never expected Ana would play in Cincinnati. Now it seems she might every year.:D I think the schedule you made looks good. I was clueless about the changes. Do you know about Stuttgart, is it the same venue still? Its between Charleston and Rome which seems strange to put indoor there.

And thanks for all the info about her serve! I actually had the impression she had a higher serve percentage in Indian Wells.. maybe because of the last two matches, that she served above 70%. Still, since then I don't think she earns that many free points with her serve, maybe because of placement, I don't know.

About the return game.. I think that when things aren't really working Ana tries to smack the ball on returns, which is definitely not good, since she mostly misses it, either wide or on the net. She needs to be able to stop and think, have a middle game, return the ball on court and build the point.

Her game is different than it used to be and i think for the most part its for the better. Sometimes i wonder about that expression 'if it isnt broke dont fix it', and it would be nice to hear from Sven and her team what they envision for improvement. If the power aspect of the game brought you to the top, then it seems any improvement should be worked around that, and i believe they know it better than anyone. Too much thinking oncourt for Ana might be a bad thing. Good thing im only a fan and not a coach. Id have to consult 'Sun Tzu's Art of War' as a tennis coaching guide.:tape: There is a chapter in it called 'the challenge.' After that match she challenged 2 points to begin the 3rd set and was down 0-30 with two incorrect challenges in a row id love to know what Sun Tzu thinks of that.:tape:

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 4th, 2008, 08:26 PM
Its the first i ever heard any of this. Thanks for the info. Wow, i never expected Ana would play in Cincinnati. Now it seems she might every year.:D I think the schedule you made looks good. I was clueless about the changes. Do you know about Stuttgart, is it the same venue still? Its between Charleston and Rome which seems strange to put indoor there.


Her game is different than it used to be and i think for the most part its for the better. Sometimes i wonder about that expression 'if it isnt broke dont fix it', and it would be nice to hear from Sven and her team what they envision for improvement. If the power aspect of the game brought you to the top, then it seems any improvement should be worked around that, and i believe they know it better than anyone. Too much thinking oncourt for Ana might be a bad thing. Good thing im only a fan and not a coach. Id have to consult 'Sun Tzu's Art of War' as a tennis coaching guide.:tape: There is a chapter in it called 'the challenge.' After that match she challenged 2 points to begin the 3rd set and was down 0-30 with two incorrect challenges in a row id love to know what Sun Tzu thinks of that.:tape:

Stuttgart is clay. It's like what Warsaw was last year. No chance that Ana will play there.
Normally Ana won't play Cincinnati, but in 2009 it gets a big upgrade. I'm pretty sure she will enter it.

Actually I don't like much of the new things from 2009. The changed already enough the last years and I don't know why cause they change it again.

gaviotabr
Sep 4th, 2008, 10:28 PM
Its the first i ever heard any of this. Thanks for the info. Wow, i never expected Ana would play in Cincinnati. Now it seems she might every year.:D I think the schedule you made looks good. I was clueless about the changes. Do you know about Stuttgart, is it the same venue still? Its between Charleston and Rome which seems strange to put indoor there.

Stuttgart will be clay indoors. They intend it to be a very fast clay tournament. I don't think Ana will play there... especially with Rome and Madrid just after.



Her game is different than it used to be and i think for the most part its for the better. Sometimes i wonder about that expression 'if it isnt broke dont fix it', and it would be nice to hear from Sven and her team what they envision for improvement. If the power aspect of the game brought you to the top, then it seems any improvement should be worked around that, and i believe they know it better than anyone. Too much thinking oncourt for Ana might be a bad thing. Good thing im only a fan and not a coach. Id have to consult 'Sun Tzu's Art of War' as a tennis coaching guide.:tape: There is a chapter in it called 'the challenge.' After that match she challenged 2 points to begin the 3rd set and was down 0-30 with two incorrect challenges in a row id love to know what Sun Tzu thinks of that.:tape:

I would also like to hear from Sven what he thinks Ana needs to improve. I remember one interview where he said her forehand could still get a lot of improvement, even though many people think it's her best shot. Maybe he was talking about consistency, since the forehand can be really off sometimes.

I'm not saying that she needs to change her game.. she has a big game already, awesome shots. But I do think she needs to develop some strategy to be able to win when she is not playing well. Ana has a lot of weird bad losses, and that's something she has to avoid, and learn how to pull out a win in the end. Something I've been thinking is that Ana does not know how to make her opponent choke. That's an art form, really. When Ana is against the ropes she always goes for her shots, and either hits amazing winners or bizarre unforced errors. It's always on her racquet. In some situations it's better to just put pressure on your opponent and wait for the choke. That wins many matches, especially the ones against lower ranked players, which seems to be Ana's problem.

That match against Paszek, that she had 2 incorrect challenges in the very beginning of the third set was a clear example that Ana allows things to take her focus away. She did not even looked to be there on court in the following game. The same thing happened in the matches against Dushevina after that overhead in the second set, and against Coin after losing the 3 break points on a row in the third set. She needs to work on keeping her focus on every situation. Ana is capable of winning 8 games on a row and then losing the next 8 in the same match because of fluctuation of concentration.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 4th, 2008, 10:59 PM
That match against Paszek, that she had 2 incorrect challenges in the very beginning of the third set was a clear example that Ana allows things to take her focus away. She did not even looked to be there on court in the following game. The same thing happened in the matches against Dushevina after that overhead in the second set, and against Coin after losing the 3 break points on a row in the third set. She needs to work on keeping her focus on every situation. Ana is capable of winning 8 games on a row and then losing the next 8 in the same match because of fluctuation of concentration.

I would be worried if that was the only problem in these matches.
Normally she wouldn't even get in situations like that. That's already below her level against these players.
The matches after Wimbledon, you better can't count them. With out the injury the results would be a lot different.
People chocked enough against Ana and sometimes they didn't even get the chance to do so. I rather see her coming back cause of her play, rather than see the opponents choke.
Saving the MP's against Dechy, Vaidisova and Jankovic was mostly cause of her own power.

She always has her ups and downs in matches. Probably a concentration thing, but it's hard to change that in Ana.
Dushevina in US Open, Srebotnik Sydney, Kuznetsova Madrid.
Gladly her comeback list is longer.

It's good that Ana still can improve. That gives hope for more great results. With the inconsistency it's for sure not boring at all.
But heart attacks are given a chance.

bruce goose
Sep 5th, 2008, 12:06 AM
She always has her ups and downs in matches. Probably a concentration thing, but it's hard to change that in Ana.
Dushevina in US Open, Srebotnik Sydney, Kuznetsova Madrid.
Gladly her comeback list is longer.

It's good that Ana still can improve. That gives hope for more great results. With the inconsistency it's for sure not boring at all.
But heart attacks are given a chance.You pro'bly won't respond to this(I might die of a heart attack from the shock if you DID),but you made some excellent points that warrant comment.

1.YES,Ana's ups and downs are part of the excitement that make her so thrilling;however,it goes too far sometimes.When she's incapable of going three months without an embarrassing loss(or a few of them),and when she can't think her way through tough situations,then this cheats Ana out of reaching her highly-attainable potential.
2.Yes,it WILL be a challenge for Ana to improve her mental game,but FAR from impossible.If I may use a simple metaphor,imagine a new mother who must quit smoking to preserve the health of her infant.It's a TREMENDOUS psychological hurdle for certain folks to quit smoking yet,in the example above,it's surely worth it.I'd say that Ana's glory as the Queen of Tennis is ALSO a worthwhile goal.

gaviotabr
Sep 5th, 2008, 04:50 PM
I would be worried if that was the only problem in these matches.
Normally she wouldn't even get in situations like that. That's already below her level against these players.
The matches after Wimbledon, you better can't count them. With out the injury the results would be a lot different.
People chocked enough against Ana and sometimes they didn't even get the chance to do so. I rather see her coming back cause of her play, rather than see the opponents choke.
Saving the MP's against Dechy, Vaidisova and Jankovic was mostly cause of her own power.

She always has her ups and downs in matches. Probably a concentration thing, but it's hard to change that in Ana.
Dushevina in US Open, Srebotnik Sydney, Kuznetsova Madrid.
Gladly her comeback list is longer.

It's good that Ana still can improve. That gives hope for more great results. With the inconsistency it's for sure not boring at all.
But heart attacks are given a chance.

Yes, normally Ana wouldn't even get in those difficult situations.. but if she is not in her best form, or simply not on a good day, she might get herself in trouble. But she still needs to find a way to win the match.. she can't keep losing to players like Coin or Yan or Paszek. And there will be days that her shots won't be going in, that happens to every player. She needs to have that perception, and adapt her game. I also prefer to see her coming back by playing brilliant tennis, but sometimes that is not possible and she still has to win the match. She needs to feel that, and allow her opponent to have a chance to make a mistake or choke. Normally, in these situations, Ana hits 4 unforced errors in a row, going for too much, and gives the game away easily.

If Ana wants to be number one, to learn how to be consistent, to win many Grand Slams, as she always says she wants, she will need to improve her focus and concentration. She might never be a Nadal-like player.. but she should learn to keep her focus, her intensity, for a longer period of time.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 5th, 2008, 06:59 PM
Yes, normally Ana wouldn't even get in those difficult situations.. but if she is not in her best form, or simply not on a good day, she might get herself in trouble. But she still needs to find a way to win the match.. she can't keep losing to players like Coin or Yan or Paszek. And there will be days that her shots won't be going in, that happens to every player. She needs to have that perception, and adapt her game. I also prefer to see her coming back by playing brilliant tennis, but sometimes that is not possible and she still has to win the match. She needs to feel that, and allow her opponent to have a chance to make a mistake or choke. Normally, in these situations, Ana hits 4 unforced errors in a row, going for too much, and gives the game away easily.


The defeat against Paszek and Coin, I still think it's all cause of the injury. It's right that Ana makes it always way more difficult than needed, but she still wins.

Henin - acceptable
Sharapova - acceptable
Dementieva - acceptable
Davenport - playing way too nervous cause it was Davenport :confused:
Dementieva - acceptable
Pironkova - unexplainable bad form
Zheng - she didn't play well of course, but Zheng was extremely good
Paszek - injury
Coin - injury

Then the comebacks:

Hantuchova - just brilliant
Schiavone - match for the title actually
Szavay - one of the worst matches of the year, but fabulous in first 3 games of set 3
Dechy - needed to save matchpoints

Then the choke list but still wins:

Razzano - even a break down in the 3rd, but found the way to win
Srebotnik - 3-1 to 3-6 in 2nd set but finished it after that
Olaru - lost 2nd set but ended with a bagel
Bammer - choked almost every chance away, ended with 6-4 in set 3
Jankovic - Could be a 6-4 6-2, but was a break down in the 3rd (4-3). Still a way to turn it
Kvitova - played 1 set longer and lost even 3 games in a row there


So if you don't count the last 2 months, it's looking ok.
In Tokyo I expect that she has enough practise to get to her old form again. No loss against a low ranked player.

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 5th, 2008, 07:08 PM
Stuttgart is clay. It's like what Warsaw was last year. No chance that Ana will play there.

Hmm, didnt know that either. I guess if it is clay now, Ana has better chance to drive off in the Porsche in her career:devil:


That match against Paszek, that she had 2 incorrect challenges in the very beginning of the third set was a clear example that Ana allows things to take her focus away. She did not even looked to be there on court in the following game. The same thing happened in the matches against Dushevina after that overhead in the second set, and against Coin after losing the 3 break points on a row in the third set. She needs to work on keeping her focus on every situation. Ana is capable of winning 8 games on a row and then losing the next 8 in the same match because of fluctuation of concentration.
First two points of the set, already down to one challenge left. In her defense, they were very close to the line.:o Ana just cant resist the challenge.:crazy:
The mindset and focus in the Coin match, dont disagree with you. Bottom line- its a must win match.
I dont disagree with Sjoerd either, USO and Montreal are little different, with the injury and recovery time. Its too easy to forgive her. I watched the Paszek match on a feed and was upset, then i read the interview and felt guilty.
The qualifier losing streak is pure coincidence. If she loses 10 more in row to qualifier, ill still believe its coincidence.
Shes got time to prepare like normal for Tokyo. Lets see what happens next.:unsure:

bruce goose
Sep 5th, 2008, 07:16 PM
That's too easy of an excuse to blame the injury;Ana managed to DOMINATE the second set against Paszek DESPITE the thumb...and then she lost her composure when Paszek,a SEVENTEEN-year-old,psyched her out by taking an extended bathroon break...and the two failed challenges didn't help.There's no question that the thumb was hurting her cuz Ana is not a liar.However,it obviously wasn't a MAJOR injury otherwise she couldn't have won that set from Paszek..or the match from hard-hitting Kvitova.It's more accurate to say that Ana doesn't possess the poise to win unless she's ABSOLUTELY,100% healthy...and this would include a runny nose,unfortunately.

As for Coin,Ana admitted that she was totally healed so this was simply the most embarrassing loss in tennis history.I could wake Graf up from a three-hour nap right now,and she'd walk on the court and beat Coin in straight sets.YES,Zheng played fairly well,but Ana's return game on grass is VERY weak right now and hasn't been addressed yet...another example of where a problem is being ignored:rolleyes: When you consider that it was her THIRD loss to someone outside the Top 90,then it's no longer a fluke,it's a PATTERN of choking under pressure.Fortunately,the grass-court aspect is easier to fix and I think that Sven will take care of THAT part before next season.Ana will do MUCH better at Wimbledon in 2009!:yeah:

gaviotabr
Sep 5th, 2008, 08:14 PM
The defeat against Paszek and Coin, I still think it's all cause of the injury. It's right that Ana makes it always way more difficult than needed, but she still wins.

Henin - acceptable
Sharapova - acceptable
Dementieva - acceptable
Davenport - playing way too nervous cause it was Davenport :confused:
Dementieva - acceptable
Pironkova - unexplainable bad form
Zheng - she didn't play well of course, but Zheng was extremely good
Paszek - injury
Coin - injury

Then the comebacks:

Hantuchova - just brilliant
Schiavone - match for the title actually
Szavay - one of the worst matches of the year, but fabulous in first 3 games of set 3
Dechy - needed to save matchpoints

Then the choke list but still wins:

Razzano - even a break down in the 3rd, but found the way to win
Srebotnik - 3-1 to 3-6 in 2nd set but finished it after that
Olaru - lost 2nd set but ended with a bagel
Bammer - choked almost every chance away, ended with 6-4 in set 3
Jankovic - Could be a 6-4 6-2, but was a break down in the 3rd (4-3). Still a way to turn it
Kvitova - played 1 set longer and lost even 3 games in a row there


So if you don't count the last 2 months, it's looking ok.
In Tokyo I expect that she has enough practise to get to her old form again. No loss against a low ranked player.

The loss to Pironkova, Ana has addmited that she played horribly because of nerves. She said in an interview in Montreal that just before the match she heard Henin had announced her retirement and she got so nervous thinking that she could become number 1 that she couldn't play.

I'm okay with you blaming the injury for the Pazcek loss, but not Coin. Ana said herself that she didn't feel pain. She could spend 3 months off and she would still have to beat players like Coin.

I also expect a very good result in Tokyo. If she loses early again I'll be really worried about Ana.


Hmm, didnt know that either. I guess if it is clay now, Ana has better chance to drive off in the Porsche in her career:devil:


First two points of the set, already down to one challenge left. In her defense, they were very close to the line.:o Ana just cant resist the challenge.:crazy:
The mindset and focus in the Coin match, dont disagree with you. Bottom line- its a must win match.
I dont disagree with Sjoerd either, USO and Montreal are little different, with the injury and recovery time. Its too easy to forgive her. I watched the Paszek match on a feed and was upset, then i read the interview and felt guilty.
The qualifier losing streak is pure coincidence. If she loses 10 more in row to qualifier, ill still believe its coincidence.
Shes got time to prepare like normal for Tokyo. Lets see what happens next.:unsure:

I have high expectations for Tokyo.. at least a semi.. she would only have to win 2 or 3 matches...

gaviotabr
Sep 5th, 2008, 09:46 PM
Jelena just reached her first slam final. So Ana can only fall to number 4, if Safina beats Serena. Otherwise, she will be number 3 come monday.

azdaja
Sep 5th, 2008, 10:05 PM
Jelena just reached her first slam final. So Ana can only fall to number 4, if Safina beats Serena. Otherwise, she will be number 3 come monday.
who cares? if she is not #1 ranking doesn't matter :shrug: i just want her to start playing well and winning tournaments again.

gaviotabr
Sep 5th, 2008, 10:09 PM
who cares? if she is not #1 ranking doesn't matter :shrug: i just want her to start playing well and winning tournaments again.

I agree with you.. I was just saying...

Just want Ana to come back stronger!

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 5th, 2008, 10:29 PM
I'm okay with you blaming the injury for the Pazcek loss, but not Coin. Ana said herself that she didn't feel pain. She could spend 3 months off and she would still have to beat players like Coin.


I had a broken leg. It took 6 weeks to heal. I had no pain at all after the 6 weeks, but it doesn't mean I can walk normal the next day.

gaviotabr
Sep 5th, 2008, 10:38 PM
I had a broken leg. It took 6 weeks to heal. I had no pain at all after the 6 weeks, but it doesn't mean I can walk normal the next day.

Sure.. you are right! I didn't expect Ana to win the Us Open after this unfortunate injury. But still.. she should have been able to beat a challenger player. If she had lost it in two easy sets.. but that third set, she had all the opportunities.. it was mental, and she couldn't pull it out in the end.

bruce goose
Sep 5th, 2008, 10:39 PM
I had a broken leg. It took 6 weeks to heal. I had no pain at all after the 6 weeks, but it doesn't mean I can walk normal the next day.She CHOKED and played like shit...no matter how much sweet sugar we cover it with...it was still SHIT!! I love my cousin to death,but my love for him doesn't mean I deny that he has an alcohol problem.Similarly,Ana is one of my favorite players,and I'm not gonna lie and pretend that she doesn't have a major choking problem that requires more than 'getting some match play' to fix it.

Orbis
Sep 5th, 2008, 11:45 PM
:lol: If there was some way that Ana could never know about her ranking, she would play better for sure.

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 5th, 2008, 11:50 PM
Mobility was no problem against Coin. The broken leg comparison is extreme.:p
Calling Ana a choker on the other hand, well, there is hardly any evidence. Far more evidence to the contrary.
-she never lost a match for almost exactly one year that she won the first set in. It ended in Dubai in the Dementieva loss. During that stretch, Henin 'choked' a match she won the first set of twice, first to Serena in Miami, then Bartoli in Wimbledon.
Its preaching to the choir to list individual comeback wins in Ana's own forum, but what the heck, were not doing anything else:
-Berlin Final - had injury that did effect mobility, took it to 3rd set tiebreak, and never trailed in the tiebreak. How many other players would have retired?
-Wimb 4R- Beat Petrova who was serving with the 3-1 lead in the 3rd
-Wimb QF- Nicole led 5-3, Ana held served to stay alive, and saved 3 set pts on her way to 7-5 3rd set
-Los Angeles QF- Kirilenko had 4-1 lead before Ana blew her ass away in straight sets.
-Los Angeles Sf- down 1-4 in the 3rd before coming back, saving couple matchpoints against Jankovic
-Luxembourg final down 3-6, 0-3 before beating Daniela for the championship
Sjoerd listed 2008 up above.
Losing to Coin doesnt erase that and make her a choker.

bruce goose
Sep 6th, 2008, 12:00 AM
Losing to Coin doesnt erase that and make her a choker.Individually,you're right;it's not fair to cite a single incident as proof...but it's NOT an isolated incident.She lost THREE times to players outside the Top 90 while she was #1 during a short stretch.In her entire CAREER,I wonder how many times Graf did this.

If it were only MY opinion,then the credibility level wouldn't be much,but experienced tennis commentators--former top players--have commented that Ana often looks perplexed and clueless out there with an empty,glassy-eyed expression on her face...we're not all hallucinating.SOMETIMES Ana can hit her way out of a deficit with her sheer power....WHEN her shots are falling well.When she has to STRATEGIZE while trailing,when her shots are slightly off,then you might as well chalk up the loss right away.Her court sense is what MUST be improved.

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2008, 12:08 AM
Individually,you're right;it's not fair to cite a single incident as proof...but it's NOT an isolated incident.She lost THREE times to players outside the Top 90 while she was #1 during a short stretch.In her entire CAREER,I wonder how many times Graf did this.

If it were only MY opinion,then the credibility level wouldn't be much,but experienced tennis commentators--former top players--have commented that Ana often looks perplexed and clueless out there with an empty,glassy-eyed expression on her face...we're not all hallucinating.SOMETIMES Ana can hit her way out of a deficit with her sheer power....WHEN her shots are falling well.When she has to STRATEGIZE while trailing,when her shots are slightly off,then you might as well chalk up the loss right away.Her court sense is what MUST be improved.

I don't think Ana is a choker at all. She has problems of concentration, sometimes she just loses focus and it's like she is not even on court. But she is not a choker, and the best proof is the fact that she has never lost a match after having match point.

She needs to improve her capacity to keep focus all the time, and also her ability to change her game when she needs to.

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 6th, 2008, 12:12 AM
If it were only MY opinion,then the credibility level wouldn't be much,but experienced tennis commentators--former top players--have commented that Ana often looks perplexed and clueless out there
Yeah, but with exception to the British commentators, the english commentators seem like they dont even watch WTA, only ATP. That Canadian guy for TSN , well, i hope to never watch a match he does again. He was critizing Ana the entire Paszek match, and getting me upset at Ana then after the match we find out the truth. I think credibility is better at a forum where the fans watch all the matches.

bruce goose
Sep 6th, 2008, 12:16 AM
I don't think Ana is a choker at all. She has problems of concentration, sometimes she just loses focus and it's like she is not even on court. But she is not a choker, and the best proof is the fact that she has never lost a match after having match point.

If losing match points were the only definition of choking,then you'd be right...but this is a very narrow intrepetation of the word.MOST commnetators define it as collapsing under ANY kind of pressure...NOT just match point.The pressure of being #1...how did Ana handle THAT? Atrociously.The pressure that arises when her shots aren't falling?....same answer....Are you seeing the pattern here?She doesn't blow match points because she's a strong front-runner.When things are going well,she usually doesn't falter unless someone turns things around as Paszek did when she psyched Ana out with the long bathroom break

bruce goose
Sep 6th, 2008, 12:20 AM
Yeah, but with exception to the British commentators, the english commentators seem like they dont even watch WTA, only ATP. I think credibility is better at a forum where the fans watch all the matches.You're grasping at straws...but at least you're grasping for a worthy person in Ana:)

jelenacg
Sep 6th, 2008, 12:51 AM
Ana lost to Paszek had nothing to do with the long bathroom break
She said in her post match interview that she couldn`t play on her FH bc she was feeling pain so she kept playing with BH ,Paszek realised that and in the final set she kept playing on Anas FH

bruce goose
Sep 6th, 2008, 01:13 AM
Ana lost to Paszek had nothing to do with the long bathroom break
She said in her post match interview that she couldn`t play on her FH bc she was feeling pain so she kept playing with BH ,Paszek realised that and in the final set she kept playing on Anas FHI have a friend,a BIG Ana fan,who was AT THE MATCH in Montreal,and he said that Ana was fidgeting nervously while Paszek prolonged her time off court(most likely on purpose).He said that Ana looked rattled by the time the 3rd set commenced.As I mentioned,he's a HUGE Ana fan,so I SERIOUSLY doubt that he's lying for malicious reasons...and the results back up his comments.Ana didn't have ANY trouble with her forehand in the 2nd set while she dominated Paszek so her explanation is suspect.I'm sure she felt some discomfort but it was her loss of poise which doomed her in this match.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 6th, 2008, 03:52 AM
Mobility was no problem against Coin. The broken leg comparison is extreme.:p
Calling Ana a choker on the other hand, well, there is hardly any evidence. Far more evidence to the contrary.
-she never lost a match for almost exactly one year that she won the first set in. It ended in Dubai in the Dementieva loss. During that stretch, Henin 'choked' a match she won the first set of twice, first to Serena in Miami, then Bartoli in Wimbledon.
Its preaching to the choir to list individual comeback wins in Ana's own forum, but what the heck, were not doing anything else:
-Berlin Final - had injury that did effect mobility, took it to 3rd set tiebreak, and never trailed in the tiebreak. How many other players would have retired?
-Wimb 4R- Beat Petrova who was serving with the 3-1 lead in the 3rd
-Wimb QF- Nicole led 5-3, Ana held served to stay alive, and saved 3 set pts on her way to 7-5 3rd set
-Los Angeles QF- Kirilenko had 4-1 lead before Ana blew her ass away in straight sets.
-Los Angeles Sf- down 1-4 in the 3rd before coming back, saving couple matchpoints against Jankovic
-Luxembourg final down 3-6, 0-3 before beating Daniela for the championship
Sjoerd listed 2008 up above.
Losing to Coin doesnt erase that and make her a choker.

List can be even longer.
- Safina Wimbledon 2006 3-6 2-4
- break down against Schnyder 3rd set Berlin 2007
- Bartoli served 2 times for the match, Toronto 2005
- Peng Amelia Island 1-6 0-2 15-40
- Zurich 2004 Golovin, that's still one of the greatest

She rarely loses after winning the 1st set. Mostly it's when Dementieva is the opponent like IW 2006 and Dubai 2008.

Of course Ana should've beaten Coin. But her game was so off that the opponent didn't matter. She said before the match that she's already happy to be able to play. With these words her timing looks like zero.
With her game play it can be deadly.
I still stay with my thought that she lost eventually cause of the injury.
Tokyo will prove it once again. She'll be ready then.

bruce goose
Sep 6th, 2008, 04:03 AM
It'd be nice if we COULD blame it on the injury,except Ana herself denies that it played any factor.Even an injured Ana OUGHT to be able to beat Julie Coin...EVERYONE ELSE always has.Again,she's almost 26 and had never even won a SINGLE MAIN DRAW MATCH in her career prior to USO.

Ana doesn't choke under all circumstances;she's a great frontrunner in closing out a match,and she HAS been able to hit her way out of trouble MANY times.When her game is even SLIGHTLY off,though,she collapses quickly.I won't even mention all of her chokes when she was defending champion of various tourneys...or had won her previous tournament.I can't recall even ONE former #1 who had such a weak track record in these areas.

I REALLY hope that Ana gets it together;I'd rather be WRONG and see her smiling in victory than be RIGHT and see her struggling sadly.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 6th, 2008, 04:21 AM
It'd be nice if we COULD blame it on the injury,except Ana herself denies that it played any factor.

You don't see my point. She didn't had pain in that match, so yes she wasn't injured. But BECAUSE of her injury she barely had a practise and you saw that back in the match.

If it continues in Tokyo and Beijing then there's no excuse. But you'll see it won't happen there.

bruce goose
Sep 6th, 2008, 04:34 AM
You don't see my point. She didn't had pain in that match, so yes she wasn't injured. But BECAUSE of her injury she barely had a practise and you saw that back in the match.

If it continues in Tokyo and Beijing then there's no excuse. But you'll see it won't happen there.First of all,I'm nearly paralyzed with shock that youi responded directly for the 1st time in 6 months:lol:...but I DID understand your point,Sjoerd;I know how knowledgeable you are.MY point is that you shouldn't NEED a lot of practice to beat Julie Coin.Ana defeated Dushevina in the 1st round,and even the gorgeous,erratic Vera could beat Coin 11 out of 12 times.Even MORE embarassing,Ana was barely competitive against Coin and was never a threat to win the match....Other than saying what's necessary to re-assure Ana and build her confidence a little,I doubt that Sven is making any excuses fir this.Sometimes it's BETTER to be humiliated--though it can be painful at the time--if it serves as motivation to avoid the same mistakes.

jelenacg
Sep 6th, 2008, 11:36 AM
I really don`t believe she lost that match in Montreal bc Paszek prolonged her time in the bathroom,for me it is stupid
I remember when she was playing Hantuchova in AO,Daniela also went to the bathroom after she lost 2nd set and we know how that ended
As for Coin of course it was stupid that she lost to someone like Coin and i`m not defending her but that match show her lack of practice
She couldn`t do anything in that match,every ball was going into the net or outside the court ,Coin didn`t have to do anything even the last two points in that match were Ana`s UE

bruce goose
Sep 6th, 2008, 12:49 PM
I really don`t believe she lost that match in Montreal bc Paszek prolonged her time in the bathroom,for me it is stupid
I remember when she was playing Hantuchova in AO,Daniela also went to the bathroom after she lost 2nd set and we know how that ended
As for Coin of course it was stupid that she lost to someone like Coin and i`m not defending her but that match show her lack of practice
She couldn`t do anything in that match,every ball was going into the net or outside the court ,Coin didn`t have to do anything even the last two points in that match were Ana`s UEIt doesn't bother me if you think I am stupid but,as I said,my friend was AT THE MATCH and he SAW ANA'S REACTION...plus she PLAYED nervously afterwards...pretty compelling evidence.The difference is that,as we all know,Hantuchova is practically an angel and she pro'bly just took a normal break that she needed.When Serena hurt her leg at Wimbledon 2007,Daniela refused to take advantage by moving SW side-to-side when the match resumed and hit the balls directly back to Serena.

In PASZEK'S case,she'd just gotten bageled and realized that she was about to get kicked again in the 3rd set,so she made Ana wait EXTRA long in hopes that her rhythm would be disrupted by the time that Tamira returned..and,as we saw,it WORKED! Another contrast is that Ana was heavily EXPECTED to win as reigning #1.As we've seen when she is defending champion of a tourney,or has won the previous tour stop,she is UNABLE to play well under this kind of pressure.The evidence is irrefutable.Many have argued that Ana will now play well in Asia since she'll drop to #4 or 5,no ranking to worry about...and that sounds logical to me...this doesn't address the problem of how Ana performs when she DOES feel this type of pressure,though...it only avoids it.She can't run from her fear forever;eventually her ranking will rise to the top again or she'll have to defend a title,then.......we'll see...

jelenacg
Sep 6th, 2008, 01:49 PM
I didn`t say you are stupid
I know she wasn`t playing very good when she was a defending champion and thats why after Berlin and Rome i was really worried about RG and how much points she needs to defend
We need to remember that only last year she made a very big succes and since then she was only rising in rankings,she is young and she needs some time to learn how to adjust in some situation
If I look at what she had done in only one year and how much she has improved,i`m pretty sure she will deal very well with this and any other situation that comes

bruce goose
Sep 6th, 2008, 03:17 PM
I didn`t say you are stupid
I know she wasn`t playing very good when she was a defending champion and thats why after Berlin and Rome i was really worried about RG and how much points she needs to defend
We need to remember that only last year she made a very big succes and since then she was only rising in rankings,she is young and she needs some time to learn how to adjust in some situation
If I look at what she had done in only one year and how much she has improved,i`m pretty sure she will deal very well with this and any other situation that comesWell,I slightly misinterpreted your comment:You thought that the REASONING,not the person,was stupid...:hatoff: fair enough,there were no hard feelings anyway.You are correct that Ana is still,basically,a young gal and this gives me good cause for optimism since she has,indeed,made great strides:) My only concern was the appearance of denial that has come forth from time to time out of Ana's mouth.This,too,is understandable since players sometimes have to put out a positive spin when answering the media.As long as Ana's team is working privately on how to prep her for when she's EXPECTED to win,then I don't care whether or not the public is aware of it.I just don't want to see her prolong her difficulties in this specific area by pretending that it doesn't exist...I REALLLLY hate seeing her cry:angel:...her smile is so :inlove:

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 6th, 2008, 04:28 PM
First of all,I'm nearly paralyzed with shock that youi responded directly for the 1st time in 6 months:lol:...but I DID understand your point,Sjoerd;I know how knowledgeable you are.MY point is that you shouldn't NEED a lot of practice to beat Julie Coin.Ana defeated Dushevina in the 1st round,and even the gorgeous,erratic Vera could beat Coin 11 out of 12 times.Even MORE embarassing,Ana was barely competitive against Coin and was never a threat to win the match....Other than saying what's necessary to re-assure Ana and build her confidence a little,I doubt that Sven is making any excuses fir this.Sometimes it's BETTER to be humiliated--though it can be painful at the time--if it serves as motivation to avoid the same mistakes.

It's right you can't lose to Coin. But look at the match.
Ana is playing offensive and when her game is off it's more vonerable than the defending players. Her timing is less and sometimes she comes a step late then. It's not that Coin outplayed her, but Ana was making the mistakes herself. Then it really doesn't matter who the opponent is.
I guess I've pointed the most points out already. If she loses early in Tokyo, then I'm not gonna defend it.

Now let's move on to that Tokyo and support our girl!

bruce goose
Sep 6th, 2008, 04:42 PM
It's right you can't lose to Coin. But look at the match.
Ana is playing offensive and when her game is off it's more vonerable than the defending players. Her timing is less and sometimes she comes a step late then. It's not that Coin outplayed her, but Ana was making the mistakes herself. Then it really doesn't matter who the opponent is.
I guess I've pointed the most points out already. If she loses early in Tokyo, then I'm not gonna defend it.

Now let's move on to that Tokyo and support our girl!Welcome back to the dialogue;I missed chatting with you for a few months:)

In truth,I'm inclined to agree with what you and others have speculated;now that her ranking has dropped and the pressure of #1 is gone,Ana might do VERY well in Asia.I just want to see her learn to MAINTAIN that ranking--to DEAL with that pressure--when she gets it again.I like several players,but I can't think of a more admirable,lovelier #1 than Ana---and I hope to see her enjoy a nice,long reign as the unofficial Queen of the WTA.Just seeing her display relatively-consistent dominance,at least on par with Masha,would be enough for me.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 6th, 2008, 05:03 PM
Welcome back to the dialogue;I missed chatting with you for a few months:)

In truth,I'm inclined to agree with what you and others have speculated;now that her ranking has dropped and the pressure of #1 is gone,Ana might do VERY well in Asia.I just want to see her learn to MAINTAIN that ranking--to DEAL with that pressure--when she gets it again.I like several players,but I can't think of a more admirable,lovelier #1 than Ana---and I hope to see her enjoy a nice,long reign as the unofficial Queen of the WTA.Just seeing her display relatively-consistent dominance,at least on par with Masha,would be enough for me.

Ana will deal with the pressure when she get's her position back and is injury free. Or min name ain't Sjoerd.

bruce goose
Sep 6th, 2008, 05:08 PM
Ana will deal with the pressure when she get's her position back and is injury free. Or min name ain't Sjoerd.Sorry 'bout that:angel:;I'll go back to caling you "I.F." again:)....I hope you're right about Ana dealing with this...it will be the first time she has done so if it happens

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 6th, 2008, 08:35 PM
http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/beatdeadhorse.gif

When you gonna stop beating that dead horse Bruce?:explode:

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 6th, 2008, 08:52 PM
- Bartoli served 2 times for the match, Toronto 2005


Did you see this match? What was the injury that she pulled out for the Clijsters walkover match?

bruce goose
Sep 6th, 2008, 09:29 PM
http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/beatdeadhorse.gif

When you gonna stop beating that dead horse Bruce?:explode:You would've LOVED ancient Greece where they sometimes killed the messenger of bad news.......unless,of course,YOU were the messenger...then you mightn't have liked it so much:lol:

bruce goose
Sep 6th, 2008, 10:52 PM
There's pro'bly barely a one of you who ever saw Evert play(I was practically a kid myself).What struck me EVEN THEN was the universal admiration tennis fans had for her skill,grace and beauty.Ana is the FIRST one I've seen since then who could match that,and I'd hate to see her settle for less than TRUE greatness...though it IS her life with her own decisions to make....sorry for 'beating a dead horse',folks:hatoff::bolt:

gaviotabr
Sep 7th, 2008, 12:40 AM
From Ana's web:

Each top 10 player must compete in at least two "Premier $700k" events; one in each region of North America and Europe. These five events comprise of Paris (indoor hard courts), Charleston (clay), Stuttgart (clay), Stanford (hard courts) and Los Angeles (hard courts).


I didn't think Ana would play in any of those tournaments, but she has to play 2 of them. Maybe Stanford and Paris? I don't see her playing Stuttgart, as it's just a week before Rome and Madrid. I think she will take some time off after Miami, which would make her miss Charleston. And LA is just a week before Toronto and Cincinnati.

gaviotabr
Sep 8th, 2008, 12:22 AM
From Ana's diary!

Quick update / September 07, 2008
I just wanted to write a quick note to say that I am back training hard, and very motivated for my next tournaments in Tokyo and Beijing.

I love visiting Asia, especially Japan. In China I hope to be able to do some sightseeing once the tournament is over - maybe visit the Great Wall.

I'm very happy to be part of the Got Milk? campaign. It's always an honour to be asked to take part in something positive, that promotes a healthy lifestyle. Making sure you get enough calcium is an important part of your diet; the Got Milk? campaign is a fun way of publicising it.

There isn't much more to say at the moment. I am just practising, making sure I am ready for the tournaments in Asia. I will go to Tokyo on Thursday. I can't wait to get back on the court and compete.

Love
Ana


She seems to be ready to go! I'm really looking foward to Tokyo!

SOA_MC
Sep 8th, 2008, 08:29 AM
I just looked at the rankings Jankovic has to 230 points defend in September while Ana has 0 points to defend a better run than Jankovic in Tokyo and Beijing and Ana will be back in the top 2 by October:D

gaviotabr
Sep 8th, 2008, 12:06 PM
I just looked at the rankings Jankovic has to 230 points defend in September while Ana has 0 points to defend a better run than Jankovic in Tokyo and Beijing and Ana will be back in the top 2 by October:D

Ana actually has 275 points of the Luxembourg title to defend the week of China Open. But yes, a good showing in Tokyo AND Beijing would take Ana at least very close to number 2.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 8th, 2008, 04:51 PM
Ana actually has 275 points of the Luxembourg title to defend the week of China Open. But yes, a good showing in Tokyo AND Beijing would take Ana at least very close to number 2.

The 1 and 2 spots are actually far away for Ana. If she wins Tokyo and Jankovic won't reach the SF, Ana will overtake here.
If not, it will be really hard.
275 points in Luxembourg, she plays Beijing so she can't win any points. While Jankovic has less to defend.
And at the end, Jankovic 105 in Madrid and Ana 335.
Serena has 300 Moscow and almost nothing in Madrid.
Looking at the RACE.

Serena 3680
Jankovic 3670
Ana 2881

Ana has to win almost anything to be nr 1 at the end of the year.

jelenacg
Sep 8th, 2008, 05:37 PM
I really want to see her winning some tournaments and playing on her level
i`m tired of her being injured and not being able to play good
I don`t care about her ranking ,the important thing is that she starts playing better
How many tournaments will she play until the end of the season? 4,5
She needs to play good in those tournaments

Nikkiri
Sep 9th, 2008, 01:09 PM
Yeah right now I don't even care about her ranking the main thing is that shes finally healthy and able to play her best tennis again. :)

Dinayer
Sep 9th, 2008, 01:57 PM
Yeah right now I don't even care about her ranking the main thing is that shes finally healthy and able to play her best tennis again. :)

yes, me too
I really miss her tennis :sad:

cant wait to see her healthy again :) :yeah:

Cp6uja
Sep 10th, 2008, 01:39 PM
The 1 and 2 spots are actually far away for Ana. If she wins Tokyo and Jankovic won't reach the SF, Ana will overtake here.
If not, it will be really hard.
275 points in Luxembourg, she plays Beijing so she can't win any points. While Jankovic has less to defend.
And at the end, Jankovic 105 in Madrid and Ana 335.
Serena has 300 Moscow and almost nothing in Madrid.
Looking at the RACE.

Serena 3680
Jankovic 3670
Ana 2881

Ana has to win almost anything to be nr 1 at the end of the year.It's not that bad at all, but only if Ana full recovery and 100% back on action. If she wins YEC, her chances to reach #1 with just solid other results (Tokyo atleast SF and atleast one tier-II final) at end of season is nearly 50%, if not bigger! Its because Serena never played seriously in Asia or indoors and Jelena already played 16 tournaments in 2008 where only 3 results is worse than 110pts (but all 70+), so she will probably finish season with about 4000 when she count her "17 best" results. Ana on other hand Winning YEC and for example reach Tokyo semifinal (she is 2007 finalist) will have 3930 points and 4 "empty" places in her record for every of tier-II which she will play before end of this season.

So if she starts to play again her best tennis - nothing is impossible.

jelenacg
Sep 10th, 2008, 05:39 PM
Cp6uja you are very optimistic:):)
She really needs to play good in these upcoming tournaments bc Safina and Dementieva are only 100,200 points behind her
I don`t think Safina has many points to defend but i don`t know about Elena i think she won title in Moscow last year
Why does Ana never play in Moscow its a tier 1

bruce goose
Sep 10th, 2008, 06:34 PM
Cp6uja you are very optimistic:):)
She really needs to play good in these upcoming tournaments bc Safina and Dementieva are only 100,200 points behind her
I don`t think Safina has many points to defend but i don`t know about Elena i think she won title in Moscow last year
You're right that Elena won Moscow;she lost the first set and then kicked Serena's ass all over the court in the last two.SW was so shocked that she couldn't even invent an injury excuse...only saying that Lena played out of her mind...and then she stomped SW's ass the same way in the Olympics:devil:

Honestly,though,I don't think that Lena is Ana's biggest challenger;she mentions motherhood in EVERY interview now...even when the interviewer asked about something else(MAJOR matrimonial hint to Lena's boyfriend):lol: Now that she's won gold for her country,she finally has a sense of fulfillment to her career.Serena,Dinara and possibly JJ are bigger threats...though JJ is hard to predict with her flakiness,she never drops too far off the pace and has VERY few early-round flameouts.IF Serena can sustain her motivation and temporarily put tennis ahead of fashion & art,then both she and Dinara have shown themselves capable of stringing together several MONTHS' worth of excellent performances.Ana must learn to do the same otherwise she'll routinely be #3 or 4,varying between a RG...then a 1st-round evaporation...back to greatness again...and so on

jelenacg
Sep 10th, 2008, 07:43 PM
I never understood why she can`t have 2,3 good tournaments in a row
I mean if you look at Dinara she had title in Montreal,LA,Olympics final and US semifinal that is very very good
I don`t see a reason why Ana can`t do it except maybe her age,Safina is 22 and JJ 23 and maybe that continuity comes with age

bruce goose
Sep 10th, 2008, 07:52 PM
I never understood why she can`t have 2,3 good tournaments in a row
I mean if you look at Dinara she had title in Montreal,LA,Olympics final and US semifinal that is very very good
I don`t see a reason why Ana can`t do it except maybe her age,Safina is 22 and JJ 23 and maybe that continuity comes with ageThat's a good theory;prior to this year,Dinara was wildly inconsistent,but I think she also worked on her mental approach with her coach.Every once in a while we get a rare champion such as Graf,Seles or Hingis who can be consistent in her teens...yet this is unusual

Costanza
Sep 11th, 2008, 08:59 AM
Apparently,Ana will have new racquet,Yonex RQIS-1 Tour XL
http://www.yonex.co.jp/tennis/products/news/006-rqis1txl/

http://i35.tinypic.com/11lh0ls.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/124hok9.jpg

gaviotabr
Sep 11th, 2008, 01:33 PM
Thanks Constanza! Thats interesting!

Well.. in my very very poor knowledge of japanese, I could understand that Ana is supposed to present this racquet (or use it) from September 16. Maybe she will present it with Yonex, since she will be in Japan for the Pan Pacific Open. The web also says that this racquet is a new version of Ana's old racquet, the RQiS Tour I, and its development consists in more depht of shot, more aceleration on the ball, and a bit more pace, because of a flex system. It comes in 95 and 100 sq. inches, but I suppose Ana will stick with 95.

I also think there is some kind of contest to do something with Ana during the TPPO. But I'm not sure, since I could only understand half of it. :lol:

jelenacg
Sep 11th, 2008, 04:25 PM
I posted your article Costanza and gaviotabr translation on Ana`s website i hope you don`t mind :)

Dinayer
Sep 11th, 2008, 05:59 PM
Venus and Serena withdraw, thats good for Ana :D

bruce goose
Sep 11th, 2008, 06:26 PM
Venus and Serena withdraw, thats good for Ana :DBoy,THAT'S an understatement!:lol: Ana DID get her first win vs. Venus at the AO,and I'd like to see her get a win vs. SW in the near future...instead of having a prolonged 0-for- as she has with Dementieva.I'm CONVINCED that Ana would've knocked off Henin eventually(Dinara DESTROYED her in Berlin to end her OWN 0-fer),so that one shouldn't bother us at all.:)

SOA_MC
Sep 11th, 2008, 06:34 PM
Venus and Serena withdraw, thats good for Ana :D

It's only good news if Ana can get past the second round:tape:

Sorry:sobbing:

Dinayer
Sep 11th, 2008, 06:47 PM
It's only good news if Ana can get past the second round:tape:

Sorry:sobbing:

true :sobbing:

but hopefully she will be OK. :)

Dinayer
Sep 11th, 2008, 06:51 PM
Boy,THAT'S an understatement!:lol: Ana DID get her first win vs. Venus at the AO,and I'd like to see her get a win vs. SW in the near future...instead of having a prolonged 0-for- as she has with Dementieva.I'm CONVINCED that Ana would've knocked off Henin eventually(Dinara DESTROYED her in Berlin to end her OWN 0-fer),so that one shouldn't bother us at all.:)

true bruce :lol:, but hopefully she can beat SW in the YEC ;)

im a girl OMG :lol:

bruce goose
Sep 11th, 2008, 06:55 PM
im a girl OMG :lol:Ana has that special,mesmerizing cross-gender appeal:)

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 11th, 2008, 07:21 PM
Boy,THAT'S an understatement!:lol: Ana DID get her first win vs. Venus at the AO,and I'd like to see her get a win vs. SW in the near future...instead of having a prolonged 0-for- as she has with Dementieva.I'm CONVINCED that Ana would've knocked off Henin eventually(Dinara DESTROYED her in Berlin to end her OWN 0-fer),so that one shouldn't bother us at all.:)

If Ana gets to 2 the week after Tokyo, then the nr 1 and 2 of the rankings have played each other only once.
That sounds really odd.

bruce goose
Sep 11th, 2008, 07:51 PM
If Ana gets to 2 the week after Tokyo, then the nr 1 and 2 of the rankings have played each other only once.
That sounds really odd.You're right,but these things happen sometimes;I was really surprised to learn that Venus and Dinara have NEVER played:eek:

DownTheLine21
Sep 11th, 2008, 11:19 PM
I'm keeping my fingers crossed. The Ana that I know hasn't been around since June, so hopefully she'll be back next week.

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2008, 04:23 AM
It seems that Ana is practicing and preparing for Tokyo in Amsterdam. I remember she went there before Roland Garros too.

Here is a conversation in Tennis Warehouse forum about Yonex new racquet:

Posted by Speedygonzalez

I saw Ivanovic using this racquet during her practice this week. Or it could be her old racquet with a paintjob.

Posted by Fedace

What is she doing in Amsterdam ?

Posted by Speedygonzalez

She was there with Groeneveld, preparing for Tokio. As you may know, Groeneveld is Dutch. I was fortunate to see them practicing and I could chat with Groeneveld and exchange some words with Ivanovic. Groeneveld is a very nice and open person.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=220918

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 12th, 2008, 06:20 AM
So she was only 30 KM's away from me?
I know she's practising there often, but still nice to know she's visiting my country ;)

It's Friday now, so I think she's in Tokyo already.
I think the bad days are over. The good results must follow now.

AJDE ANA!!!!

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 14th, 2008, 01:56 AM
How many hours til the draw comes out? Its currently 8pm where i am, so if someone could give my approx local time to check back id appreciate.

bruce goose
Sep 14th, 2008, 02:02 AM
How many hours til the draw comes out? Its currently 8pm where i am, so if someone could give my approx local time to check back id appreciate.This isn't a 100% guarantee,of course,but Tokyo PPO has traditionally waited 'til Sunday to release their main draw.This means that it'd come in the wee hours of the morning in your region of the States.You might be better off waiting until breakfast.

gaviotabr
Sep 14th, 2008, 02:02 AM
I think the draw cerimony is 15:30 local time. And I believe it's 10 in the morning there right now.

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 14th, 2008, 02:03 AM
Gracias senors!:cool:

gaviotabr
Sep 14th, 2008, 02:07 AM
Gracias senors!:cool:

Nice spanish! :)

Just for fun.. in portuguese Gracias or Thank you is Obrigado. :D

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 14th, 2008, 02:09 AM
Bueno. Obrigado gaviotabr:wavey:

dybbuk
Sep 14th, 2008, 05:03 AM
Ok, since we are all bored waiting for Ana to play again, guess who I saw today? I was watching an old Pierce match, and I saw none other than her coach back in 1997, Sven Groenefeld. :speakles:

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u191/PSALT_alreadytaken/Graphics/Untitled-1.jpg

Nikkiri
Sep 14th, 2008, 07:40 AM
At first glance I thought the woman was Domi :rolls: :o

Who is geo, Alex? :(

dybbuk
Sep 14th, 2008, 07:56 AM
At first glance I thought the woman was Domi :rolls: :o

Who is geo, Alex? :(

geopee AKA George. :(

Nikkiri
Sep 14th, 2008, 08:27 AM
Hai George!

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:14 AM
Jankovic (1) bye
Pennetta - Peer
Morita - Szavay
Li - Kuznetsova (5)
Dementieva (3) bye
Cornet - Q
Wozniacki - Q
Schiavone - Hantuchova (7)
Chakvetadze (8) - Q
Razzano - Sugiyama
Cibulkova - Mauresmo
Safina (4) bye
Radwanska (6) - Nakamura
Kirilenko - Bartoli
Q - Petrova
Ivanovic (2) bye

gaviotabr
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:23 AM
Jankovic (1) bye
Pennetta - Peer
Morita - Szavay
Li - Kuznetsova (5)
Dementieva (3) bye
Cornet - Q
Wozniacki - Q
Schiavone - Hantuchova (7)
Chakvetadze (8) - Q
Razzano - Sugiyama
Cibulkova - Mauresmo
Safina (4) bye
Radwanska (6) - Nakamura
Kirilenko - Bartoli
Q - Petrova
Ivanovic (2) bye

mmm.. Ana can have a tough first match with Petrova. Got Radwanska for the quarters and Safina for the semis.

Dinayer
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:24 AM
I like the draw :)

good luck ana :D

Nikkiri
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:43 AM
I hate the draw. I hope Ana and Maria play each other. :sobbing:

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 14th, 2008, 10:51 AM
I hate the draw. I hope Ana and Maria play each other. :sobbing:

Same thought here.

jelenacg
Sep 14th, 2008, 11:49 AM
Well it`s about time for her to start playing good tennis,it won`t be easy but i`m not worried about Petrova or Radwanska if she plays good
And Safina played in US open semifinal but she wasn`t very impressive like LA or Montreal

azdaja
Sep 14th, 2008, 11:55 AM
this draw looks tough :unsure: but yeah, it's time for her to start playing some good tennis and show us again she can beat players like petrova, radwanska and safina. go ana!

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 14th, 2008, 03:02 PM
Thats what i call a draw:hearts:. This could be a high quality tournament. Petrova has wins over Zvonareva and Azarenka this year, thats really about it. Shes 2-6 vs the top 20.:tape: Some of the potential qualifiers look more dangerous to me. Either way, not much margin for error by Ana. I just hope Kimiko Date is not in Ana's part. Id like to see the old lady play and hope she does well, but obviously not if its Ana's part.

bruce goose
Sep 14th, 2008, 03:42 PM
Thats what i call a draw:hearts:. This could be a high quality tournament. Petrova has wins over Zvonareva and Azarenka this year, thats really about it. Shes 2-6 vs the top 20.:tape: Some of the potential qualifiers look more dangerous to me. Either way, not much margin for error by Ana. I just hope Kimiko Date is not in Ana's part. Id like to see the old lady play and hope she does well, but obviously not if its Ana's part.You may have already known this,but Date still has to get through the final round of qualifying where she'll face the food-loving Wozniak.Honestly,I think that the opponent is ALMOST irrelevant much of the time;a lot of this simply depends on ANA...and whether or not she's TRULY ready to play,physically AND mentally

gaviotabr
Sep 14th, 2008, 05:23 PM
You may have already known this,but Date still has to get through the final round of qualifying where she'll face the food-loving Wozniak.Honestly,I think that the opponent is ALMOST irrelevant much of the time;a lot of this simply depends on ANA...and whether or not she's TRULY ready to play,physically AND mentally

I also think that the opponent is not as relevant right now. Ana is the one who has to be feeling ready to play and to win, both physically and mentally.

doni1212
Sep 14th, 2008, 07:07 PM
Come on Ana!!! Time to tear Tokyo up, :rocker2:

kinseh
Sep 14th, 2008, 07:30 PM
You may have already known this,but Date still has to get through the final round of qualifying where she'll face the food-loving Wozniak.Honestly,I think that the opponent is ALMOST irrelevant much of the time;a lot of this simply depends on ANA...and whether or not she's TRULY ready to play,physically AND mentally

I second that. How this tournament turns out for Ana is totally up to herself.

It will be exciting to follow her. :) Good luck, Ana!

dybbuk
Sep 14th, 2008, 08:21 PM
Very tough draw. It all really depends on whether or not Ana is back to her normal self or at least close to it. Ajde Ana. :cool:

SOA_MC
Sep 15th, 2008, 04:11 AM
I like the draw :)

good luck ana :D

:speakles:

I like the draw I'm just shocked you don't think it's bad draw you think every draw is a bad draw:p

Nikkiri
Sep 15th, 2008, 08:36 AM
:speakles:

I like the draw I'm just shocked you don't think it's bad draw you think every draw is a bad draw:p

Its a good draw cause Ana and Maria could play each other. :drool: :hearts:

Dinayer
Sep 15th, 2008, 11:03 AM
:speakles:

I like the draw I'm just shocked you don't think it's bad draw you think every draw is a bad draw:p

:lol:

azdaja
Sep 15th, 2008, 12:04 PM
the last ana vs jj fans fight in gm was interesting :tape: not that i think jj fans are nationalists or supporters of far right political parties, but there are people who are criticising ana for supposedly not being patriotic enough and we had that argument here as well. it got particularly bad when jj was playing that fed cup match in slovakia :tape:

i still can't believe that after everything ana has won under serbian flag some people still can criticise her for not playing the olymoic games :help:

people who criticise ana in this way are apparently called "patriJJots" by those who defend her against them. i like that and will start using it myself :lol:

bruce goose
Sep 15th, 2008, 12:17 PM
MAYBE they're saying that she played with the thumb injury in Montreal and could've done so in Beijing,too,Azdaja.I can only guess at their mentality cuz I don't plan on reading any GM threads now or in the foreseeable future.Unless someone considers Ana an award-winning actress,her tears made it obvious how devastated she was to miss the Olympics....Perhaps that's a new,contrived accusation since I haven't heard even haters call her a liar yet.

Nadia is clearly a more talented player but Rezai HAS pulled a couple upsets in her career,too,so either 2nd-round opponent can give Ana a reasonable,opening test.I'm highly eager to see how :hearts:Ana:hearts: does:)

azdaja
Sep 15th, 2008, 12:28 PM
MAYBE they're saying that she played with the thumb injury in Montreal and could've done so in Beijing,too,Azdaja.
but it's perfectly obvious that there is not much point in playing injured, losing and aggravating your injury so you can suck at playing tennis a little bit longer. i really don't like it when players play injured.

and it's not general messages. there was a thread about this there, but it was aboout some media in serbia and also serbian websites.

Nikkiri
Sep 15th, 2008, 12:51 PM
Also her thumb injury got worse after she played in Montreal with it, so she tried to be ready for Beijing she even flew across the freaking world to see doctors but couldn't be fit enough to play.

jelenacg
Sep 15th, 2008, 02:50 PM
I think that after US open everybody realised that she was injured and couldn`t play in Beijing
As i said before i haven`t found any negative article about Ana in Serbian press
Who cares what people said in some forums,that people will cheer for her the next time she wins something
The same people who are very proud of JJ for playing for the country,are making fun of her for being always injured and call her a drama queen
When you are winning everybody loves you and support you when you start loosing they will start saying bad things about you-its the same in every forum
In the future we should really ignore Ana vs JJ threads:help::help:

Just found a video on her website some member posted it
Ana in Japan its funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWqc-zntZV4

bruce goose
Sep 15th, 2008, 04:07 PM
but it's perfectly obvious that there is not much point in playing injured, losing and aggravating your injury so you can suck at playing tennis a little bit longer. i really don't like it when players play injured.

In principle,I agree with you:We forever lost one of my favorites,Monica:sad:,because she allowed her love for tennis to override sound medical advice that she needed more time to recuperate(that's IF my understanding is correct).There ARE some injuries that aren't gonna get better or worse with competition.For example,American basketballer Kobe Bryant played with an injured thumb in the NBA Finals in June as he was told that he couldn't worsen it,he'd only delay the recovery.Since his team was in the championships and had NO chance without him,he chose to play(However,I believe that HIS situation was different than Ana's).Ultimately,each athlete must decide what's best in circumstances like those,and you hope that they choose wisely.

DownTheLine21
Sep 15th, 2008, 04:57 PM
The draw is interesting. Like many of you have said, it just depends on where Ana's game is at the moment. If she's back to playing RG-style tennis (or at least close to it), she should win this tournament. However, if not, every match will be a struggle and nail-biter.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 15th, 2008, 06:28 PM
The draw is interesting. Like many of you have said, it just depends on where Ana's game is at the moment. If she's back to playing RG-style tennis (or at least close to it), she should win this tournament. However, if not, every match will be a struggle and nail-biter.

That's almost every match even when she has form.
Like all the matches she won in 3 after a great start, but then she wants to give the crowd more tennis for their money.

gaviotabr
Sep 16th, 2008, 04:14 AM
So Ana will have her first match on thursday. I'm calm... hopefully this is a good sign! :lol:

jonnyroyale_13
Sep 16th, 2008, 04:22 AM
Thursday, theyre killing us! Hopefully there is a feed. I guess we get pretty spoiled with videos of all her matches, so cant complain.:angel:

gaviotabr
Sep 17th, 2008, 11:21 AM
So.. Ana vs Petrova. Night sesion (not before 5 pm).

Hopefully Ana will be back to playing her best tennis!

jack daniels
Sep 17th, 2008, 11:00 PM
Here is my preview of today's match:



Ivanovic has been in dreadful form since landing the French Open title and surging to #1 in the rankings, and despite picking up a thumb injury while training in Mallorca after Wimbledon, her forehand has looked off for some time. The Serb does however say that she is now over the injury and ready to compete. "Finally, for the last two weeks I have no pain," Ivanovic told Reuters on Monday. "I am training hard, and very motivated for my next tournaments in Tokyo and Beijing. I love visiting Asia, especially Japan. I can't wait to get back on the court and compete." Petrova scored a routine win over Rezai in R1 and has been in some fairly useful form of late. Apart from dropping her serve 5 times to Schnyder in Bali, the Russian has served well, holding serve in 31 of her last 34 service games. Ivanovic leads the head-to-head series 4-2 [3-0 on hard courts], but this is likely to find this a particularly testing encounter, especially if she is as inconsistent off the ground as she was in New York, where she made 74 unforced errors in two matches. Ivanovic was a beaten finalist at this event last year when it was held indoors.

kim86
Sep 17th, 2008, 11:25 PM
That's almost every match even when she has form.
Like all the matches she won in 3 after a great start, but then she wants to give the crowd more tennis for their money.

I feel exactly the same way during every Ana's match...it's a torture :help:

bruce goose
Sep 18th, 2008, 12:05 AM
Sjoerd is ALMOST right IMO;Ana tends to have some peaks and valleys even in some of her good victories.......but there IS a subtle difference between those moments and her bad ones.When she's on form,you always get a sense that her shots are just missing momentarily,that she'll recover and win the match...or at least make it close.When she's in Julie Coin-form,she appears clueless out there and we KNOW she's gonna lose despite all of our wishes to the contrary.When you look carefully enough you can see the contrast between these without too much trouble.......

Ana's playing at 2 a.m. Estado Chihuahua Time:eek: so I might have to set my alarm for this one....Can't wait to see how she does:).AJDE ANA!!!!

SOA_MC
Sep 18th, 2008, 09:14 AM
Live stream for Ana's match on now http://www.justin.tv/zura003

Nikkiri
Sep 18th, 2008, 09:33 AM
Her backhand is really bad today. :o

Nikkiri
Sep 18th, 2008, 10:15 AM
Ana won the 2nd set 6-1 after losing the 1st 1-6 :p

mure
Sep 18th, 2008, 10:16 AM
Ana wins the second set easily and surprisingly Petrova takes the bathroom break..:rolleyes:

Dinayer
Sep 18th, 2008, 10:56 AM
16 61 26

ana :sobbing:

:sad:

azdaja
Sep 18th, 2008, 11:00 AM
the slump continues :(

Nikkiri
Sep 18th, 2008, 11:02 AM
She'll get back on track... just when? :awww:

Main problem is in her head.. played a great 2nd set Nadia takes a bathroom break and Ana is back to how she started the match.

jelenacg
Sep 18th, 2008, 11:13 AM
Did anybody see match on tv,i want details how was she playing??
Not vary good but can someone give me details :help::help:

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 11:18 AM
I just woke up.. bad news...

Uff.. I'm oficially worried about Ana. This is definitely mental.. she is fit, had 2 weeks of practice. I didn't watch the match, but I'm guessing she started out nervous, got on track in the second set, and then totally lost concentration after Petrova took the bathroom break. How many times has this happened this year? Ana used to be a great 3 set player, now she is always losing 3 setters. I really think this is an emotional matter, she doesn't seem to be using her ability to stay focused during an entire match, she can only do it for a short period of time. Her mind goes away, and so does her game.

In the second set, she had 3 aces to no doubles, 81% of first serves in. She has the game, she has the ability. But when she loses concentration, it all goes away. What worries me most is that she doesn't seem to be adressing this issue. She needs to aknowldge it and work on it if she wants to get back on track. It's like if after the French Open, she just lost purpose.. I don't know. I was also blaming the injury, but she had the same behaviour on court in Wimbledon.. seeming lost and frustrated at moments.

I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't expect anything for the rest of the season. It's a pity really, she was having a great year.. to be slumping like this now.. I just hope she works on her mind and mental game in the off season and can come back stronger in Australia.

Nikkiri
Sep 18th, 2008, 11:27 AM
First set was awful, she was nervous the backhand was a disgusting mess. She just gets so down on herself so while Nadia took the break she just sat there looking scared and confused steps back on court and gets broken. It's a big issue really needs to be addressed she won the 2nd set with ease she should not be sitting there in the break nervous and scared :shrug:

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 11:36 AM
First set was awful, she was nervous the backhand was a disgusting mess. She just gets so down on herself so while Nadia took the break she just sat there looking scared and confused steps back on court and gets broken. It's a big issue really needs to be addressed she won the 2nd set with ease she should not be sitting there in the break nervous and scared :shrug:

That's the thing.. she gets way down on herself, and loses concentration. What worries me is that I don't think she is adressing this issue.. she seems to be working only on her game, which is great, but it's not what is going to put her back on track. She needs to work on her mental game, on being able to stay focused, no matter how many bathroom breaks her opponent takes.

On another note.. I'm not supersticious, but.. I would chance outfits! :lol: Ever since she started to wear this white shirt, she has sucked. :help:

jelenacg
Sep 18th, 2008, 11:46 AM
Hahahaha you too, it`s not the outfit :):)
But i`m really worried,this is evidentially a mental issue and her not being able to stay focused entire match
If she was totally out of form she wouldn`t won 2nd set

azdaja
Sep 18th, 2008, 12:00 PM
well, i remember her trainer said he expects ana to peak in about 2 years time, perhaps in the 2010 season? i really hope he's right :o

ana has never been very consistent for whatever reasons, but yeah, more often than not the issue seems to be simply mental.

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 12:06 PM
What do you guys think she should do after playing Beijing? She has 2 weeks off until Zurich.. I'm a little torn.. sometimes I think she should be trying to play a bit more, since she has barely played since RG, and that is also a factor, she is not match ready. But I also think that she should be doing a very serious work on her mental game... to stop and try to train focus, concentration.

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 12:09 PM
well, i remember her trainer said he expects ana to peak in about 2 years time, perhaps in the 2010 season? i really hope he's right :o

ana has never been very consistent for whatever reasons, but yeah, more often than not the issue seems to be simply mental.

Yeah.. she can definitely improve a lot. She is not a totally ready player yet and still needs to mature.

But I honestly think that this is the worst part of her career. It's like going from Heaven (RG) directly to hell (the last 3 months).

Nikkiri
Sep 18th, 2008, 12:10 PM
She def needs to play more, she's not had enough match play so when she gets into these situations she's not prepared enough she was unlucky to get Petrova here tough opponent to come back too and be able to fight back against when you've had very little match play.

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 12:17 PM
She def needs to play more, she's not had enough match play so when she gets into these situations she's not prepared enough she was unlucky to get Petrova here tough opponent to come back too and be able to fight back against when you've had very little match play.

Maybe she should get a wild card somewhere.. Moscow or Sttutgart..

I agree that she was unlucky to get Petrova. But I think that was not the main problem.. Ana should have been able to beat her, she only needed to keep her focus in that 3 set. She had just played a great 2 set, but totally lost concentration afterwards.

jelenacg
Sep 18th, 2008, 12:25 PM
Well first we must see what she will do in Beijing but i`m not very confident
What i`m sure that she has a great team around her and they will find some solution and help her
She needs her confidence back,she looks totally lost
She played good in 2 set ok she lost concentration in 3 set ok, but what about first set
She has a good serve and it`s not like her to lose 1-6
Even when she played bad in Berlin and Rome it wasn`t 1-6 or 2-6

kim86
Sep 18th, 2008, 12:26 PM
I agree with all of you, the problem is mental, she lost confidence. And i think it's really weird because she had just won a major and in a sudden she lost her game.

This season ending has gone, there's nothing to do...

Don't you think that a racket change, at this point of the season, could only make things get worst?

I'm really, really worried about this situation.

:confused:

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 12:32 PM
Don't you think that a racket change, at this point of the season, could only make things get worst?

:confused:


I don't think the racquet change affected the result of this match..

I'm also worried, because I think her team is trying to find solutions in the wrong places, instead of working on the cause of the problem.

Nikkiri
Sep 18th, 2008, 12:49 PM
She needs to play a match against Jankovic :sobbing:

kim86
Sep 18th, 2008, 12:49 PM
I don't think the racquet change affected the result of this match..

No, me neither. Anyway not in the specific case, but i think it could be an addictional problem for the resto of the season.

I'm also worried, because I think her team is trying to find solutions in the wrong places, instead of working on the cause of the problem.

I trust Sven, Ana starterd her race to the top with him, and thanks to the job they were doing together, but maybe it's time for a new coach. Sven took her to the top, now she needs a new one that makes her stay there.

kim86
Sep 18th, 2008, 12:57 PM
She needs to play a match against Jankovic :sobbing:

:devil::lol:

bruce goose
Sep 18th, 2008, 01:00 PM
Well first we must see what she will do in Beijing but i`m not very confident
What i`m sure that she has a great team around her and they will find some solution and help her
Maybe this sounds bad coming from me because of my bad reputation:tape:,but I DO agree that Sven is a good guy for the TENNIS part of Ana's game.I think that Navratilova could help Ana as an ADVISOR cuz she used to have the SAME problems in her youth until she trained with someone to improve her mental game.Navrat would NOT replace Sven as coach,she would simply use her experience with this SAME problem to give Ana sound encouragement on how to overcome it.Of course,it wouldn't HAVE TO be Martina;it could be someone else with the same beneficial perspective

jelenacg
Sep 18th, 2008, 01:03 PM
I`m sure they are working on mental issue,if we can see that there is a problem,they must have seen it too
Every time a player loose we blame the coach
Sven has done a great job, everything in her game has improved since they started working together,he made her a better player
Sven is not the problem,problem is Ana`s head and confidence
I know you are joking but sadly JJ would beat this Ana 100%:help::help:

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 01:13 PM
In Ana's web, they mention the bathroom break, and that it made Ana lose momentum. I hope her team looks a it the way it is, that she is the one who needs to know how to overcome this kind of situations, and not just blaming on the lack of sportmanship from her opponent.

Protoss
Sep 18th, 2008, 01:13 PM
She needs to play a match against Jankovic :sobbing:
No...why give Jankovic a free win? :p

If Jankovic is to beat Ana, make her actually earn it rather than just being the latest player to have the good fortune of being on court as Ana plays like crap.

Nikkiri
Sep 18th, 2008, 01:15 PM
Jelena has mental issues with Ana and Ana loves to do better... so I dunno :p

kim86
Sep 18th, 2008, 01:19 PM
In Ana's web, they mention the bathroom break, and that it made Ana lose momentum. I hope her team looks a it the way it is, that she is the one who needs to know how to overcome this kind of situations, and not just blaming on the lack of sportmanship from her opponent.

Right, she has to focus only on her game, and not find excuses.

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 01:26 PM
Right, she has to focus only on her game, and not find excuses.

Yes.. that worried me too. They always seems to be making excuses lately, instead of adressing the problem.

jelenacg
Sep 18th, 2008, 01:27 PM
In Ana's web, they mention the bathroom break, and that it made Ana lose momentum. I hope her team looks a it the way it is, that she is the one who needs to know how to overcome this kind of situations, and not just blaming on the lack of sportmanship from her opponent.
The good thing is they noticed that too,so next time Ana will deal with that situation better
But i just don`t get it how can you lose momentum in only 5 min:help: maybe that shows how low is her confidence right now

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 01:41 PM
The good thing is they noticed that too,so next time Ana will deal with that situation better
But i just don`t get it how can you lose momentum in only 5 min:help: maybe that shows how low is her confidence right now

I don't really think it's a matter of low confidence. Obviously her confidence is very low, but the biggest sign of that is the countless forehand unforced errors. This issue with the bathroom break, and losing the first set is a big sign of lack of focus. She starts the match cold, take her time to be able to build some concentration. Then she is able to play her game in the second set, because she got her focus on. With the time off while her opponent gets the bathroom break, her mind goes to other places, she either thinks too much or not at all, and it's like she is starting the match all over again. Some could argue that Petrova gathered herself during the break and came back better, which probably holds some truth, but the fact is that Ana lost concentration. We just have to look at the stats. Take the first serve percentage, for example. It's something that depends only on Ana, on her ability. She had a great 81% of first serves in in the second set. That dropped to only 48% in the third set. The drop is huge.. and that is definitely connected to the lack of focus.

jelenacg
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:04 PM
You are right,probably Petrova gathered herself during the break but still it is very worrying that she can lose her focus like that,she better solve that issue bc next time the only thing her rival will have to do to beat her is taking a bathroom break
Its sound so stupid and silly :confused::confused:

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:11 PM
You are right,probably Petrova gathered herself during the break but still it is very worrying that she can lose her focus like that,she better solve that issue bc next time the only thing her rival will have to do to beat her is taking a bathroom break
Its sound so stupid and silly :confused::confused:

Yes, it sounds so silly. Recipe to beat Ivanovic: Mix a bathroom break or injury time out with balls in court. Wait for the mistakes. About 1 hour and a half and you've got it.

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:29 PM
Some random thoughts since I have nothing better to do this morning.. :lol:

I think at this moment, doesn't really matter who is the opponent. Every match may have a similar outcome, if Ana doesn't work on her issues. She will have her moments of concentration, when she will be playing well and winning, whoever is on the other side of the court. But if the moments when she can't keep focus are longer and more frequent, she will lose, because she is the type of player who kind of holds control of the match. If she is playing well she will win her points, if not, she will give points away with errors or hitting balls that are easy to attack.

I was taking a look at Ana's forum in her web, and I agree with some posters. I think they shouldn't have written in her official web that Petrova lacked sportmanship. Definitely not very diplomatic.

To anyone who saw the match: does the new racquet seems at all different from the old one? I think it really didn't affect the result of the match.. but I was curious to see how the racquet works..

kim86
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:38 PM
I've seen only the first set, and the a few games of the third.

I think that the forehand will be soon the same of the past (last year, heavy and fast), but the backhand seems to be worst.
I belive Wilson suist best to her, Yonex isn't the right racket for a kind of player like Ana.

jelenacg
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:40 PM
I haven`t seen match on tv,but now thinking that is a good thing
I don`t think new racket was a issue here,she said its just like her old one maybe a less heavy
Totally agree with you in this moment doesn't really matter who is the opponent:tape::tape:
So it still morning in Brazil ,its 3.40 pm here

PersephoneDisco
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:43 PM
She def needs to play more, she's not had enough match play so when she gets into these situations she's not prepared enough she was unlucky to get Petrova here tough opponent to come back too and be able to fight back against when you've had very little match play.

No, i think she should take a break now that she's crashed out, she clearly isn't enjoying her tennis, why prolong the 'suffering'?. When i found out the draw for toray, i knew 100% she would lose when she play would her first match. She is the most vulnerable no.1 ranked player i have seen in a long time. I'm not a fan of hers (safina fan) because she has had this emotional weakness since FO and nothing has been done about it to put it right ( as in the action of her coaches). When i watch her recent matches, the commentators always suggest a sport psychologist and getting new people, so no more sven and co. Otherwise she might just dramatically fall from the top..

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:46 PM
I've seen only the first set, and the a few games of the third.

I think that the forehand will be soon the same of the past (last year, heavy and fast), but the backhand seems to be worst.
I belive Wilson suist best to her, Yonex isn't the right racket for a kind of player like Ana.

Thanks! Ana said that the old racquet helped improve the backhand side.. I wonder if the new racquet isn't as good to that side.

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:50 PM
I haven`t seen match on tv,but now thinking that is a good thing
I don`t think new racket was a issue here,she said its just like her old one maybe a less heavy
Totally agree with you in this moment doesn't really matter who is the opponent:tape::tape:
So it still morning in Brazil ,its 3.40 pm here

Yep, still 10:50 am here.

And I have nothing to do until 2:00 pm when I have to go to college. I'm bored.. :lol:

Nikkiri
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:50 PM
No, i think she should take a break now that she's crashed out, she clearly isn't enjoying her tennis, why prolong the 'suffering'?. When i found out the draw for toray, i knew 100% she would lose when she play would her first match. She is the most vulnerable no.1 ranked player i have seen in a long time. I'm not a fan of hers (safina fan) because she has had this emotional weakness since FO and nothing has been done about it to put it right ( as in the action of her coaches). When i watch her recent matches, the commentators always suggest a sport psychologist and getting new people, so no more sven and co. Otherwise she might just dramatically fall from the top..

I'm not sure taking a break would do her any good. She's had little match play which is a big problem for her she needs a good win to get her confidence going. It's a hard one..lol. A sports psychologist would be a good thing to try though.

kim86
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:51 PM
No, i think she should take a break now that she's crashed out, she clearly isn't enjoying her tennis, why prolong the 'suffering'?. When i found out the draw for toray, i knew 100% she would lose when she play would her first match. She is the most vulnerable no.1 ranked player i have seen in a long time. I'm not a fan of hers (safina fan) because she has had this emotional weakness since FO and nothing has been done about it to put it right ( as in the action of her coaches). When i watch her recent matches, the commentators always suggest a sport psychologist and getting new people, so no more sven and co. Otherwise she might just dramatically fall from the top..

You're not completly wrong, a change of some memeber of her team could be a good idea. But i don't agree with you about the most vulnerable n°1...Jankovic is more vulnerable, and even Mauresmo wasn's so strong mentally...

jelenacg
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:52 PM
She doesn`t need a break she played only 3 matches healthy,she needs a lot of matches
Safina made her best results this year with new coach so if she starts loosing does that mean she needs a new coach ,of course not
When she isn`t playing good backhand is always a issue i don`t think it has anything to do with the racuet

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:54 PM
No, i think she should take a break now that she's crashed out, she clearly isn't enjoying her tennis, why prolong the 'suffering'?. When i found out the draw for toray, i knew 100% she would lose when she play would her first match. She is the most vulnerable no.1 ranked player i have seen in a long time. I'm not a fan of hers (safina fan) because she has had this emotional weakness since FO and nothing has been done about it to put it right ( as in the action of her coaches). When i watch her recent matches, the commentators always suggest a sport psychologist and getting new people, so no more sven and co. Otherwise she might just dramatically fall from the top..

I agree that she is emotionally fragile right now. I don't know why or how this happened, since Ana was extremely strong in RG. Ever since she has been losing concentration rather easily. But I don't know if taking a break now would actually help, as she also needs to be match fit, which she clearly is not. I also agree that she might need someone to help her improve her mental game and focus, and a sport psycologist could be a great idea.

kim86
Sep 18th, 2008, 02:58 PM
As i wrote, Sven has took Ana to the top, now she needs a new coach that teach her how to deal with the pressure to be the favourite, to control her nerves, and staff like these.
And i don't think she needs to stop, she has played only 7 matches since Roland Garros. :confused:

jelenacg
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:10 PM
As i wrote, Sven has took Ana to the top, now she needs a new coach that teach her how to deal with the pressure to be the favourite, to control her nerves, and staff like these.
And i don't think she needs to stop, she has played only 7 matches since Roland Garros. :confused:
Why do you think Sven can`t teach her all that??
Every time she played some top 20 or top 50 player she was a favorite not just this last 3 months ,she didn`t have problems before beating them
Sven is not the problem here...

PersephoneDisco
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:12 PM
ana's case is rather unique. Taking a break might help her or not. It might help her because she will be away from the tennis environment that is now filled with vulnerability, mental fragility or she might not take a break which may mean that she plays one match where maybe instinct takes over and less of the mental fear and it might revive her. Taking a new coach is a good or a bad idea. Sven maybe doesn't know how to keep a player at the top only at how to get there. It might be bad on the other hand because a new coach may put her into more emotional toil because she's uncertain whether or not the new coach will work etc etc. The only thing we all have agreed on is that she needs a sport psychologist, shes definitely has the tennis to be no.1 but when theres a sign of a mental block its a disaster for ana. I think we will find out more about the intent of her coaches whether she will still play in all her specified tournaments (however playing and playing to improve match fitness is not a good idea if nearly or all the matches end in defeat)

Nikkiri
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:15 PM
To anyone who saw the match: does the new racquet seems at all different from the old one? I think it really didn't affect the result of the match.. but I was curious to see how the racquet works..

I only noticed the racquet in the 2nd set :tape: But well the only thing that I noticed was her backhand which has never been her best shot I know was AWFUL, I'm not sure I've ever seen it so bad esp in the first set.

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:20 PM
Why do you think Sven can`t teach her all that??
Every time she played some top 20 or top 50 player she was a favorite not just this last 3 months ,she didn`t have problems before beating them
Sven is not the problem here...

I also think Sven is not the problem, though I don't think he is the best motivator around. She could just add someone to help with her mental game, instead of changinf her whole team.

I remember reading some quotes from Sven right after that win over Dechy in Wimbledon that I didn't think was the way to go.. as he said something like he hoped she would get inspired by her lucky netcord, that she still had to be enjoying her RG win, even while practicing for Wimbledon. I always thought that once you get to a new tournament, all your focus had to be on it, not still enjoing the last one. And that after such match, she should have really concentrated in what she had to improve, what were her mistakes so that she wouldn't make them again. Of course I have no idea what is Sven like regarding this when with Ana, as those were quotes to the media. Still, I think he helped Ana's game a lot.. and he is definitely a great tennis coach. But I have to agree with bruce goose here, she needs someone to help specifically with her mental game, and she shoulf adress this issue directly.

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:21 PM
ana is a true champion...i don't back losers...she will come out of this :yeah: just ignore the wet underwear in GM :o



quick thought here for opinion: assuming it is the "top player/favourite" status that is affecting her, do you think it would have been better for ana to know that if she won that RG semi that she would have been #1??? clearly she was affected by the thumb injury, but she was also "surprised" by the #1 rank...it's like "congrats ana you're in the RG final again!!!!! oh and by the way you are #1." her mindset had to be changed "top player with potential to be at top one day" to "leader of the tour"....

i believe if she had known about becoming #1 and had won the semi she would be in better shape now with the confidence....so now the wins are expected even more and the losses are criticised even more in spite of being injured....that's what the likes of masha and jj (and even djokovic) have done with their "playing through the injury" crap...it's then "if they can do it why can't ana???"

but ana will rise again no doubt...hopefully soon cause she's got a lot of points to defend lol...form is temporary, class is permanent ;) and if it's one thing ana is, is classy :yeah:

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:22 PM
I only noticed the racquet in the 2nd set :tape: But well the only thing that I noticed was her backhand which has never been her best shot I know was AWFUL, I'm not sure I've ever seen it so bad esp in the first set.

Thanks! Well.. maybe the new specifications don't help the backhand side, which had been showing some improvement with the old racquet.

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:34 PM
ana is a true champion...i don't back losers...she will come out of this :yeah: just ignore the wet underwear in GM :o



quick thought here for opinion: assuming it is the "top player/favourite" status that is affecting her, do you think it would have been better for ana to know that if she won that RG semi that she would have been #1??? clearly she was affected by the thumb injury, but she was also "surprised" by the #1 rank...it's like "congrats ana you're in the RG final again!!!!! oh and by the way you are #1." her mindset had to be changed "top player with potential to be at top one day" to "leader of the tour"....

i believe if she had known about becoming #1 and had won the semi she would be in better shape now with the confidence....so now the wins are expected even more and the losses are criticised even more in spite of being injured....that's what the likes of masha and jj (and even djokovic) have done with their "playing through the injury" crap...it's then "if they can do it why can't ana???"

but ana will rise again no doubt...hopefully soon cause she's got a lot of points to defend lol...form is temporary, class is permanent ;) and if it's one thing ana is, is classy :yeah:

I don't know if I quite understood your questions, but here it goes anyway..

I think Ana might have lost the RG semi if she knew about the number 1 ranking. Considering she would still have won, I don't know up until what point this would have changed her mindset regarding the number 1 ranking. I don't really think it would have changed all that much. I also think that this "number 1 ranking pressure" thing is not the problem here. Ana was already number 1 in the RG final, had the pressure of becoming a slamless n. 1 and played great. Ana was not number 1 this week, and played badly. I think it has more to do with motivation and inability to mantain concentration. The injury played its part, definitely, but now I also believe it was not as important as I thought before. This is all mental.. the problem is that they are not adressing it. If you look at her post match quotes, and the news in her web, they still "blame" it on lack of match play. And while it is true that this is also affecting her, it is not the main issue, the cause of her losses.

I don't have expectations for the rest of the season, but I still hope she can get some points in the next tournaments.. she has almost 2671 points to defend from january until RG, more than any other player, and if she doesn't get some year end points to help, she can get in trouble for the first part of next year. Of course, the second part will be great with almost nothing to defend. Next week she will probably fall to number 5, and she has 275 points to defend. :help:

kim86
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:43 PM
Why do you think Sven can`t teach her all that??
Every time she played some top 20 or top 50 player she was a favorite not just this last 3 months ,she didn`t have problems before beating them
Sven is not the problem here...

Before becoming n°1 she wasn't THE favourite, but the favourite in that specific match, she can't deal with the pressure, she is such a nervous player, she isn's able to control her emotions.

Sven is a great coach but firstly he is just an advisor, and secondly since the problem is going on for months, why they can't find a solution togheter yet? Maybe Ana doesen't see Sven as a coach anymore but as a friend, and this is not good for a work relationship.

jelenacg
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:46 PM
gaviotabr
i agree with you 100%
But you can`t expect them to say she has some mental issue,i`m sure they know it but saying that in the public they would harm her
And i`m not saying this to defend her but she is still 2,3 or 5 years younger then Safina,JJ or Dementieva and has done more than they

MarieC
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:48 PM
This funk is a bit worrisome, especially the way she's been losing the matches, but the best thing for her to do is to keep pushing on. The only way she can get her rhythm back is if she is playing matches. With only 8 matches played since winning the French Open she definitely needs to be put in match situations and mentally challenged. Taking time away from the game is not going to help get her game back at this point. On the other hand they do need to stop blaming the latest results on "the lack of match play." The injury is behind her now, she has to be both physically and mentally ready for whatever she is going to face her in her match's from now on.

She still has 3 tournaments and the YEC left to work whatever out and I'm sure that she will make the best of it. Every athlete has to face some adversity in their career, and most of the time they work through it. This bump in the road is only going to make Ana stronger!

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:53 PM
gaviotabr
i agree with you 100%
But you can`t expect them to say she has some mental issue,i`m sure they know it but saying that in the public they would harm her
And i`m not saying this to defend her but she is still 2,3 or 5 years younger then Safina,JJ or Dementieva and has done more than they

You are right jelenacg. I hope they start to take care of it privately tough.

kim86
Sep 18th, 2008, 03:57 PM
This funk is a bit worrisome, especially the way she's been losing the matches, but the best thing for her to do is to keep pushing on. The only way she can get her rhythm back is if she is playing matches. With only 8 matches played since winning the French Open she definitely needs to be put in match situations and mentally challenged. Taking time away from the game is not going to help get her game back at this point. On the other hand they do need to stop blaming the latest results on "the lack of match play." The injury is behind her now, she has to be both physically and mentally ready for whatever she is going to face her in her match's from now on.

She still has 3 tournaments and the YEC left to work whatever out and I'm sure that she will make the best of it. Every athlete has to face some adversity in their career, and most of the time they work through it. This bump in the road is only going to make Ana stronger!

Great post :worship:

jelenacg
Sep 18th, 2008, 04:00 PM
Before becoming n°1 she wasn't THE favourite, but the favourite in that specific match, she can't deal with the pressure, she is such a nervous player, she isn's able to control her emotions.

Sven is a great coach but firstly he is just an advisor, and secondly since the problem is going on for months, why they can't find a solution togheter yet? Maybe Ana doesen't see Sven as a coach anymore but as a friend, and this is not good for a work relationship.
Well in this tournament she wasn`t THE favorite either bc JJ was the finalist in US open and is the top seed here
Sven is her coach not full time but coach,he spends most of his time with Ana ,she was in Mallorca with him so they could practice,she was with him in Amsterdam so i wouldn`t call him just advisor
You can`t say that this is going for months bc she was injured and it wasnt her fault but this what is happening now is

DownTheLine21
Sep 18th, 2008, 04:08 PM
Another typical loss. Ana used to be near-flawless in three-set matches, but I'm becoming used to these scorelines. Petrova was a difficult 2R opponent, but Ana really should have won this match.

Oh well. Regroup for next week.

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 04:12 PM
Another typical loss. Ana used to be near-flawless in three-set matches, but I'm becoming used to these scorelines. Oh well. Regroup for next week.

This is also something curious. Ana used to be great in 3 set matches, her last 3 losses were weird 3 setters, where she won the second set and couldn't keep the momentum in the third. I remember that she spent quite a few months from late last year to Dubai this year without losing any 3 set matches.

DownTheLine21
Sep 18th, 2008, 04:16 PM
This is also something curious. Ana used to be great in 3 set matches, her last 3 losses were weird 3 setters, where she won the second set and couldn't keep the momentum in the third. I remember that she spent quite a few months from late last year to Dubai this year without losing any 3 set matches.

Yes. She used to be so mentally tough. It took a great effort to beat her if the match went to three sets. That toughness is gone at the moment. However, I didn't see the match. Was she still making millions of FH UEs?

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 04:21 PM
Yes. She used to be so mentally tough. It took a great effort to beat her if the match went to three sets. That toughness is gone at the moment. However, I didn't see the match. Was she still making millions of FH UEs?

I also didn't watch. Couldn't find the UEs stats. It seems that the backhand was a mess tough.

What impressed me the most was the big difference between the first serve percentage in the second and third sets. How can someone serve 81% of first serves in a set and only 48% in the very next, that started only 5 mminutes later?

bruce goose
Sep 18th, 2008, 04:33 PM
If I could offer an optimistic note here,seeing a sports counsellor--or psychologist IF you prefer to call it that--is not as personally invasive or off-the-wall as much of psychology is.The counsellor usually gives common sense suggestions based on his/her own experience as to how the athlete can deal with troublesome situations.You'd be surprised at the list of names of athletic performers who've received such counsel;many of them are true champions so there's NO shame at all in Ana's doing this.As I've said,Navratilova USED TO HAVE a huge mental block when she played Evert in major finals and,after training with gringa basketball legend Nancy Lieberman,she then became the legend that everyone knows.Ana UNQUESTIONABLY has the ability;if she can overcome her mental obstacles,she'll be a glorious Queen of the WTA:hearts::D

azdaja
Sep 18th, 2008, 04:39 PM
actually ana's record in 3 set matches is not as great as everyone says. it is great only if we count matches where she won the 1st set. she lost just one such match this year to dementieva and i think it was the 1st time in almost 2 years that she lost a match after she had won the 1st set. over past 2 years ana has won less than 50% of 3 set matches after she had lost the 1st set. the chances that ana will lose the match if she loses the 1st set are not so slight i'm afraid (we need to count her straight set losses in addition) even though she undeniably did have some amazing comebacks this and last year.

when ana lost the 1st set my expectations were low by default :shrug:

PersephoneDisco
Sep 18th, 2008, 04:56 PM
Before becoming n°1 she wasn't THE favourite, but the favourite in that specific match, she can't deal with the pressure, she is such a nervous player, she isn's able to control her emotions.

Sven is a great coach but firstly he is just an advisor, and secondly since the problem is going on for months, why they can't find a solution togheter yet? Maybe Ana doesen't see Sven as a coach anymore but as a friend, and this is not good for a work relationship.

yeh i have to agree about her and sven, its too friendly. And ana's problem has been ongoing which is why im suprised there has been NO solution to resolve it, thats why i'm wondering about the intent of her coaches. Unlike safina, Ana has no problem with her anger problems, even though safina and her coach are pretty chummy, its that evident negative body language and swearing that prevents her coach from thinking she has the complete game and there is always that professional coaching to improve her. Ok, that may have been difficult to understand but ana's coach had a sort of easier job to coach her unlike safina's. Maybe the coaching problem is more significant if its a player that has been to the top and has a complete game and they are now facing alot of problems than if it was a player that has been rising steadily in the ranking and has loads of improvements (safina). Anyone understand that?:confused:;)

dybbuk
Sep 18th, 2008, 04:59 PM
:shrug: Dunno what to say. I didn't watch. It's like we are back pre-Berlin 2007, but only this Ana doesn't just not know what to do when she's losing like the Ana back then, you can see she does know what she should be doing, she just doesn't have the confidence to do it. I believe in Ana, and I believe in her team though. Everything is there for Ana to be winning these matches and tournaments, she just needs to start connecting the dots again, she will eventually.

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:04 PM
yeh i have to agree about her and sven, its too friendly. And ana's problem has been ongoing which is why im suprised there has been NO solution to resolve it, thats why i'm wondering about the intent of her coaches. Unlike safina, Ana has no problem with her anger problems, even though safina and her coach are pretty chummy, its that evident negative body language and swearing that prevents her coach from thinking she has the complete game and there is always that professional coaching to improve her. Ok, that may have been difficult to understand but ana's coach had a sort of easier job to coach her unlike safina's. Maybe the coaching problem is more significant if its a player that has been to the top and has a complete game and they are now facing alot of problems than if it was a player that has been rising steadily in the ranking and has loads of improvements (safina). Anyone understand that?:confused:;)

That was a bit confusing.. but I guess I get the idea..

I'm also worried about the fact that these problems are ongoing and seems to be gettind passed by, unsolutioned. I was reading my last post again, and it's clear that Ana has had the same problems in her last 3 matches.. it was very alike. 3 sets, won the second and then totally lost concentration and couldn't keep the momentum to win the third. It's like the problem is repeating itself, and they are not doing anything to change or fix it.

jelenacg
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:12 PM
I think this is first time since Berlin 2007 that she is doing so bad for so long period
Until now she was only going forward in her rankings and her game
And yes last 3 matches are the same

gaviotabr
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:33 PM
I think this is first time since Berlin 2007 that she is doing so bad for so long period
Until now she was only going forward in her rankings and her game
And yes last 3 matches are the same

I actually think this is the worst moment of Ana's career. I think she never went 4-4 in 4 tournaments in a row.

Edit: She did. She went 4-4 in 2006, between the Us Open and Linz:

Linz Austria
T2 23 Oct 2006 to 29 Oct 2006 Entry : DA Hard (O)
32 W Michaella KRAJICEK (NED) 6-1 7-6(2)
16 W Agnieszka RADWANSKA (POL) 6-2 6-2
QF L Maria SHARAPOVA (RUS) 6-7(3) 5-7

Luxembourg Luxembourg
T2 25 Sep 2006 to 01 Oct 2006 Entry : DA Hard (O)
32 L Venus WILLIAMS (USA) 3-6 4-6

Bali Indonesia
T3 11 Sep 2006 to 17 Sep 2006 Entry : DA Hard (O)
32 L Olga PUCHKOVA (RUS) 3-6 6-4 2-6

U.S. Open USA
SL 28 Aug 2006 to 10 Sep 2006 Entry : DA Hard (O)
128 W Vera DUSHEVINA (RUS) 6-3 5-7 6-4
64 W Aiko NAKAMURA (JPN) 7-5 6-3
32 L Serena WILLIAMS (USA) 2-6 4-6

And that was the only other time, but the losses were to Venus, Serena and Sharapova.. ok Puchkova too.. She went 5-4 2 times also. Still.. I think the worst part is that she was actually having a great year.. to see how it is now is pretty frustrating.

jelenacg
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:49 PM
I don`t know what to think,but if she has an early exit in Beijing too we can say goodbye until November 4-9

kim86
Sep 18th, 2008, 05:54 PM
I don`t know what to think,but if she has an early exit in Beijing too we can say goodbye until November 4-9

You can tell :sad:

Maybe even until Jenuary 2009 :help:

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 18th, 2008, 06:16 PM
Common guys don't look for any solutions here. Don't tell her to do this or that. She's for the first time in her career in a bad period and for sure she's looking for answers. Maybe that's even the thing.
In tennis there's only 1 solutions for all this. That's winning matches. It's not looking for more tournament to play, or seeking mental help. Of course the racket change has nothing to do with it.
Petrova is a good player, but without watching the match I know it's not cause of Petrova that Ana lost.
A new thing for Ana to deal with and I hope she gets it together soon.
Gladly it's not a matter of IF, but just WHEN.

Further I cannot say much about it. Losing always hurts, but getting used to it is even worse.

Maria is going bad lately but now Ana as well. So I can't be that happy with tennis lately.

bruce goose
Sep 18th, 2008, 06:29 PM
Common guys don't look for any solutions here. Don't tell her to do this or that. She's for the first time in her career in a bad period and for sure she's looking for answers. Maybe that's even the thing.
In tennis there's only 1 solutions for all this. That's winning matches. It's not looking for more tournament to play, or seeking mental help. Of course the racket change has nothing to do with it.
Petrova is a good player, but without watching the match I know it's not cause of Petrova that Ana lost.
A new thing for Ana to deal with and I hope she gets it together soon.
Gladly it's not a matter of IF, but just WHEN.

Further I cannot say much about it. Losing always hurts, but getting used to it is even worse.

Maria is going bad lately but now Ana as well. So I can't be that happy with tennis lately.Sjoerd,you're being overly simplistic;EVERYONE can see that Ana's mental game is sub-standard.It's not just fans in Tennis Forum,even announcers who were tennis legends are commenting on this.Is it some sort of hostile conspiracy?:rolleyes: C'mon....and how do you expect her to win matches if she doesn't even address what's hindering her?Denial is NOT a solution.The only way she can win matches now is to play Mickey Mouse Tier 4s like Tashkent...then again,Julie Coin couldn't make the main draw in Tashkent so that's no 100% guarantee,either.It almost seems as if you're taking this criticism as a personal attack on Ana instead of hopeful suggestions from fans who REALLY want to see her bounce back.There's NOTHING wrong with being intensely loyal but pretending that the 5 ton elephant isn't in the room WON'T make it disappear...that's an old gringo metaphor I learned so I hope it translated well:lol: VAMOS,ANA!!:bounce: