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MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:12 PM
With all the talk about how weak the tour is on top and how everything is in disarray because of injuries, etc., I was wondering....is this the weakest top 3 the WTA has ever seen?

On their current ranking:
1. Jelena Jankovic
Tournament Performance:
2 Major SF, 1 Tier I Title, 2 Tier I Final, 1 Tier I SF, 0 Other Titles,

Win/Loss Stats
4-9 vs. Top 10 (high #6 Chakvetadze - Dubai QF) (latest #9 V. Williams - Roma* QF)
[Wins over #9 Petrova (2007 Stuttgart QF) and #6 Chakvetadze (Dubai) were via retirement and also advanced to Roma F via walkover by #2 Sharapova in the SF]

Losses to players ranked out of the Top 30:
4 (low #234 Davenport - 2007 Bali QF) (latest #60 Tanasugarn - Wimbledon R16)

Longest Win Streak:
9 Matches (Roma - RG SF [only 9, not 10, because Roma SF was a W/O vs. Sharapova])

Longest Loss Streak:
6 Matches (Stuttgart QF - YEC ^2 retirements [vs. #68 Yan - 2007 Bangkok R32 & vs. #10 Bartoli - 2007 YEC])

2. Ana Ivanovic
Tournament Performance:
1 Major Title, 1 Major F, 1 Tier I Title, 1 Tier I Final, 1 Tier I SF, YEC SF, 0 Other Titles,

Win/Loss Stats
8-5 vs. Top 10 (high #2 Kuznetosva - 2007 YEC RR) (latest #3 Jankovic - Paris SF*)

Losses To Players Out Of The Top 30
6 (low #168 Yan - 2007 Toronto R32) (latest #92 Paszek - Montreal R16)

Longest Win Streak:
9 Matches (Paris - Wimbledon R32)

Longest Loss Streak:
2 Matches (Berlin SF - Roma R32)

3. Svetlana Kuznetsova
Tournament Performance:
1 Major F, 1 Tier I Final, 1 Tier I SF, 0 Other Titles,

Win/Loss Stats
5-8 vs. Top 10 (high #4 Jankovic - Dubai SF) (latest #7 V. Williams - Miami QF )

Losses to players ranked out of the Top 30:
2 (low #34 Cornet - Roma 16) (latest #32 Wozniacki - Eastbourne R16)

Longest Win Streak:
9 Matches (2007 New Haven - US Open F [3 wins from New Haven were retirements])

Longest Loss Streak:
4 Matches (2007 Zurich - YEC RR)

*went on to win event


What do you think?

Vamos.
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:13 PM
Yes.

young_gunner913
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:16 PM
Agreed.

Tennace
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:18 PM
Yes, out of 8 possible slam finals, the top 3 only have 3 total, and the #1 never reached a slam final :tape:

RenaSlam.
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:18 PM
Resounding "yes".

Temperenka
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:18 PM
Without a doubt in my mind. Henin and Sharapova...come back. :(

AcesHigh
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:22 PM
Has it ever happened that the most dominant player in the last 6 years retired suddenly and had her record whiped off the rankings?

If not, than this is all irrelevant.

tae04
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:24 PM
Serena will change all of this within 4 weeks hopefully.

Olórin
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:32 PM
Without a doubt...sadly. It's a shame, because all three are capable of better results than they are currently achieving.

debopero
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:33 PM
Has it ever happened that the most dominant player in the last 6 years retired suddenly and had her record whiped off the rankings?

If not, than this is all irrelevant.

How is Henin the most dominate player of the last six years :confused: ?

Anyway, I think that compared to other "top threes" yes this one is very weak.

Dave.
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:34 PM
They are probably the lowest achieving top 3 of all time.

BUT, it doesn't mean they won't be capable of great tennis so it's harsh to call them the worst top 3.

E.Dementieva_FAN
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:35 PM
Yes, definitely.

Olórin
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:35 PM
Has it ever happened that the most dominant player in the last 6 years retired suddenly and had her record whiped off the rankings?

If not, than this is all irrelevant.

Yes actually, when Court first retired. Obviously computer rankings weren't around then, but they couldn't rank a retired a player at the end of the year. ;)

Expat
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:36 PM
How is Henin the most dominate player of the last six years :confused: ?

Anyway, I think that compared to other "top threes" yes this one is very weak.i think he/she meant most dominant season of a player in the last 6 years
but even calling her the best player from 2003 - 2008 would not be wrong

Dave.
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:36 PM
How is Henin the most dominate player of the last six years :confused: ?

Anyway, I think that compared to other "top threes" yes this one is very weak.

2003, 2006, 2007 she finished the year as no.1 and dominated the claycourt season of 2005. Won a grand slam in every year since 2003 aswell as a host of other big titles. Nobody else has dominated on such a high level since Serena at the start of 2003.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:42 PM
2. Ana Ivanovic
Tournament Performance:
1 Major Title, 1 Major F, 1 Tier I Title, 1 Tier I Final, 1 Tier I SF, YEC SF, 0 Other Titles,

Win/Loss Stats
8-5 vs. Top 10 (high #2 Kuznetosva - 2007 YEC RR) (latest #3 Jankovic - Paris SF*)

Losses To Players Out Of The Top 30
6 (low #168 Yan - 2007 Toronto R32) (latest #60 Tanasugarn - Montreal R16)

Longest Win Streak:
9 Matches (Paris - Wimbledon R32)

Longest Loss Streak:
No Loss Streak




Tokyo is not in her ranking.
And since when is Paszek called Tanasugarn :confused:

Ana did lose 2 matches in a row.
Dementieva, Pironkova.

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:43 PM
Has it ever happened that the most dominant player in the last 6 years retired suddenly and had her record wiped off the rankings?

If not, than this is all irrelevant.

No, BUT, I said top 3, not #1. It's kind of sad that NONE of these 3 players have been able to play with any kind of HIGH level for any sustained amount of time.

NONE of them have won consecutive titles. Only 1 major title between the current top 3 is really sad....with Justine retired or not.

Tennisstar86
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:45 PM
Has it ever happened that the most dominant player in the last 6 years retired suddenly and had her record whiped off the rankings?

If not, than this is all irrelevant.

henins retirement isnt the point..... The fact is the top 3 has been complete shit since the French...They've barely even made it out of the first week in the tournies they've played....... Ana cant even get a 2nd round....

faboozadoo15
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:47 PM
It only appears weak because they're all playing terribly. If they were healthy, and with the state of the tour (no Henin or Sharapova) they would be winning left and right.

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:48 PM
Tokyo is not in her ranking.
And since when is Paszek called Tanasugarn :confused:

Ana did lose 2 matches in a row.
Dementieva, Pironkova.

Tokyo?

and thanks for the corrections :yeah:

young_gunner913
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:53 PM
No, BUT, I said top 3, not #1. It's kind of sad that NONE of these 3 players have been able to play with any kind of HIGH level for any sustained amount of time.

NONE of them have won consecutive titles. Only 1 major title between the current top 3 is really sad....with Justine retired or not.

Ana won 2008 French Open
Sveta won 2004 U.S Open

But I still think they're weak sauce. :o

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:55 PM
Ana won 2008 French Open
Sveta won 2004 U.S Open

But I still think they're weak sauce. :o

Only 1 major title on their ranking right now :sad:

mr_burns
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:55 PM
compare it to the mens top 3 and you get the shiffers

MaBaker
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:56 PM
More whining :awww: You people should lighten up a little bit :hug:

young_gunner913
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:59 PM
Only 1 major title on their ranking right now :sad:

Oh. :smash::lol:

:sad:

Well Serena is soon to break up this crap top 3 we have. So thats something nice to look forward to. :)

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 11th, 2008, 06:07 PM
compare it to the mens top 3 and you get the shiffers

I can't remeber the last time a GS was won by someone out of top 3 in the ATP.

2008: Nole, Rafa, Rafa, ....
2007: Roger, Rafa, Roger, Roger
2006: Roger, Rafa, Roger, Roger
2005: Marat, Rafa, Roger, Roger

French Open 2005! :eek:

2008: Maria, Ana, Venus
2007: Serena, Justine, Venus, Justine
2006: Amelie, Justine, Amelie, Maria
2005: Serena, Justine, Venus, Kim

in that time, only 5 major winners have been in the top 3.

shaktincredible
Aug 11th, 2008, 06:11 PM
Worst Top 3 In History?

YES YES YES

absolutelee yes

Dave.
Aug 11th, 2008, 06:12 PM
^^ Actually Rafa was 5 when he won RG for the first time :p

Dodoboy.
Aug 11th, 2008, 06:37 PM
Omg! Yes!

AcesHigh
Aug 11th, 2008, 06:40 PM
No, BUT, I said top 3, not #1. It's kind of sad that NONE of these 3 players have been able to play with any kind of HIGH level for any sustained amount of time.

NONE of them have won consecutive titles. Only 1 major title between the current top 3 is really sad....with Justine retired or not.

Justine retired is a big deal. Ana being in the top 3 is not a disgrace. 2/3 slam finals with 1 win and Tier I is not bad. Neither is her 30-8 record. Jelena has been ridiculously consistent and 41-13 isnt bad either. Sveta sticks out, but she's still made 2 Tier II finals, another Tier I final, a GS final on her record. She's not terribly pathetic.

Henin is still holding 6 titles including a GS, a Tier I, YEC and 3 Tier II's. Her sudden retirement is obviously relevant. That and the top 3 are 20, 23 and 23 with Ana and Jelena making their breakthroughs in the last two years.

AcesHigh
Aug 11th, 2008, 06:44 PM
I can't remeber the last time a GS was won by someone out of top 3 in the ATP.

2008: Nole, Rafa, Rafa, ....
2007: Roger, Rafa, Roger, Roger
2006: Roger, Rafa, Roger, Roger
2005: Marat, Rafa, Roger, Roger

Australian Open 2005! :eek:

2008: Maria, Ana, Venus
2007: Serena, Justine, Venus, Justine
2006: Amelie, Justine, Amelie, Maria
2005: Serena, Justine, Venus, Kim

in that time, only 5 major winners have been in the top 3.

:rolleyes: That's because of the dominance of Roger and Rafa. Notice how besides those two, there are only two other names.

Go back a little further, and you'll see Thomas Johansson, Albert Costa, Ivanesivic, gaston gaudio, Korda, etc.

Jem
Aug 11th, 2008, 07:01 PM
If they're the weakest top 3 ever, it sure doesn't say much for those trailing behind them, does it. I'm not sure if it's a matter of parity, or just none of the current players has the ability to produce their best consistently. Regardless, congratulations to Jankovic, I guess. She's as worthy of any of the rest, even if she doesn't have a grand slam title, or final, to her credit. I can't think of anything the current grand slam champions have done to deserve the No. 1 spot over Jankovic. At least, she's won a title or two along the way and made some finals. Now, if Kuznetsova makes it -- oh, wait, she lost already, so that's not going to happen!

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 11th, 2008, 07:20 PM
:rolleyes: That's because of the dominance of Roger and Rafa. Notice how besides those two, there are only two other names.

Go back a little further, and you'll see Thomas Johansson, Albert Costa, Ivanesivic, Gaston Gaudio, Korda, etc.

ok...back to 2003.

ATP:
2008: Nole, Rafa, Rafa, ....
2007: Roger, Rafa, Roger, Roger
2006: Roger, Rafa, Roger, Roger
2005: Marat, Rafa*, Roger, Roger
2004: Roger, Gaston, Roger, Roger
2003: Agassi, Fererro, Roger, Roddick

WTA:
2008: Maria, Ana, Venus
2007: Serena, Justine, Venus, Justine
2006: Amelie, Justine, Amelie, Maria
2005: Serena, Justine, Venus, Kim
2004: Justine, Anastasia, Maria, Svetlana
2003: Serena, Justine, Serena, Justine

*Rafa was #5 when he won the 2005 FO.
Italicized players were ranked in the top 5

and when was the last time the ATP had ALL 4 seeds out before the QF of ANY event much less a major?!

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 11th, 2008, 07:22 PM
If they're the weakest top 3 ever, it sure doesn't say much for those trailing behind them, does it. I'm not sure if it's a matter of parity, or just none of the current players has the ability to produce their best consistently. Regardless, congratulations to Jankovic, I guess. She's as worthy of any of the rest, even if she doesn't have a grand slam title, or final, to her credit. I can't think of anything the current grand slam champions have done to deserve the No. 1 spot over Jankovic. At least, she's won a title or two along the way and made some finals. Now, if Kuznetsova makes it -- oh, wait, she lost already, so that's not going to happen!

Just 1 title and 2 finals out the 22 tournaments on her current 52-week ranking :tape:

©@®eLess
Aug 11th, 2008, 07:29 PM
i think the williams fan should be happy about this. The retiring of Henin, and injuries of top 3 players in the world will only help Serena and Venus. On the other hand Venus apart from Wimbledon has done notrhing this year, and Serena only won a tier I. In my eyes its not convincing either for them to be ranked at no.1

Ana won RG, Indian Wells, played AO finals...in my eyes she is desrving no.1 much more then either Williams in the last year. Tennis is not just Wimbeldon you know!

Mina Vagante
Aug 11th, 2008, 07:29 PM
For Sure

Mina Vagante
Aug 11th, 2008, 07:31 PM
i think the williams fan should be happy about this. The retiring of Henin, and injuries of top 3 players in the world will only help Serena and Venus. On the other hand Venus apart from Wimbledon has done notrhing this year, and Serena only won a tier I. In my eyes its not convincing either for them to be ranked at no.1

Ana won RG, Indian Wells, played AO finals...in my eyes she is desrving no.1 much more then either Williams in the last year. Tennis is not just Wimbeldon you know!

'Only' ?... and 2 tier 1's ;)

frontier
Aug 11th, 2008, 07:55 PM
i think the williams fan should be happy about this. The retiring of Henin, and injuries of top 3 players in the world will only help Serena and Venus. On the other hand Venus apart from Wimbledon has done notrhing this year, and Serena only won a tier I. In my eyes its not convincing either for them to be ranked at no.1

Ana won RG, Indian Wells, played AO finals...in my eyes she is desrving no.1 much more then either Williams in the last year. Tennis is not just Wimbeldon you know!
tennis is not all about fake injury time outs...even if Wimbledon is all Venus won this year at least she has mastered grass what has JJ mastered ...injury timeouts:p

Melly Flew Us
Aug 11th, 2008, 08:28 PM
oh dear. i'd forgotten jankovic is number 1.

the figures look bad but if they've got the most points then they are the top three on tour, full stop.

danieln1
Aug 11th, 2008, 09:02 PM
Without a doubt YES!

AcesHigh
Aug 11th, 2008, 09:19 PM
Enough bashing the current field. It is so tired already. :rolleyes:

Says a lot about Serena, Venus, Davenport, and the rest of your faves. They must really suck ass if they haven't broken into the top 3 yet :wavey:

Wojtek
Aug 11th, 2008, 09:20 PM
Yes

Serenidad.
Aug 11th, 2008, 09:21 PM
I can't remeber the last time a GS was won by someone out of top 3 in the ATP.

2008: Nole, Rafa, Rafa, ....
2007: Roger, Rafa, Roger, Roger
2006: Roger, Rafa, Roger, Roger
2005: Marat, Rafa, Roger, Roger

French Open 2005! :eek:

2008: Winnerena, Winnerena, Winnerena
2007: Serena, Weloveserena, Serenaslamrena, Fatrena
2006: Fakeslamrena , Winnerena, Wimbledonrena, Winnerena
2005: Serena, Slutrena, Grassrena, USOpenseriesrena.

in that time, only 5 major winners have been in the top 3.

Neverthesameplayerrena. :sobbing:

Cp6uja
Aug 11th, 2008, 09:28 PM
Some posters here is young, and some maybe have problems with short memory. I remember couple cases from near past that even TOP4 players toghether dont have much bigger (if have) achivments than current TOP3:

Look at the Year Ending rankings of 1997 (TOP4: Hingins, Novotna, Davenport, Coetzer) and you will notice:
- 3 of TOP4 is slamless players
- 2 of TOP4 never reach GS final

When slamless Dementieva in october of 2004 reach career high #4, WTA TOP3 players is Davenport (last slam final reach in 2000), slamless Mauresmo (only slam final reach in 1999) and Myskina (only once reach in whole career better GS result than QF - so she is slam winner with weakest achivments since Majoli).

Dodoboy.
Aug 11th, 2008, 09:28 PM
Enough bashing the current field. It is so tired already. :rolleyes:

Says a lot about Serena, Venus, Davenport, and the rest of your faves. They must really suck ass if they haven't broken into the top 3 yet :wavey:

WTH?

Is that you AcesHigh?

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 11th, 2008, 09:29 PM
Enough bashing the current field. It is so tired already. :rolleyes:

Says a lot about Serena, Venus, Davenport, and the rest of your faves. They must really suck ass if they haven't broken into the top 3 yet :wavey:

They do suck ass.

Serena hasn't won a major in over a year. :o...but don't worry...she'll be in the top 3 soon enough ;)

Venus and Lindsay are my 'faves' on genetics and nationality only :shrug:

As for the rest of my faves, J. Cap is 'retired', Maria is injured, Vika hasn't stepped up yet, Peer's in a HORRID slump, there's no light @ the end of the tunnel for Nikki, Asia Mo is still learning and so is Ahsha, but her learning curve is harder.

:shrug:

I'm just saying that at least Serena has managed to win 2 events in a row (3 acutally...so she must not be THAT shitty)...something NO one in the top 3 has done....and if Serena/Venus/Lindsay/Vika/Maria/etc. played 20+ events...they'd be in the top 3 too. :yeah:

Expat
Aug 11th, 2008, 09:30 PM
They do suck ass.

Serena hasn't been past the quarters of a major in over a year. :o...but don't worry...she'll be in the top 3 soon enough ;)

Venus and Lindsay are my faves on nationality only :shrug:
Maria injured and Vika hasn't stepped up yet.

:shrug:

I'm just saying that at least Serena has managed to win 2 events in a row...something NO one in the top 3 has done....and if Serena/Venus/Lindsay/Vika/Maria played 20+ events...they'd be in the top 3 too. :yeah:
and they would be /are injured too

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 11th, 2008, 09:34 PM
Some posters here is young, and some maybe have problems with short memory. I remember couple cases from near past that even TOP4 players toghether dont have much bigger (if have) achivments than current TOP3:

Look at the Year Ending rankings of 1997 (TOP4: Hingins, Novotna, Davenport, Coetzer) and you will notice:
- 3 of TOP4 is slamless players
- 2 of TOP4 never reach GS final

When slamless Dementieva in october of 2004 reach career high #4, WTA TOP3 players is Davenport (last slam final reach in 2000), slamless Mauresmo (only slam final reach in 1999) and Myskina (only once reach in whole career better GS result than QF - so she is slam winner with weakest achivments since Majoli).

Slamless is one thing, but when the top 3 combine for 5 titles (only 2 Tier Is) in 52 weeks...that's pretty sad :shrug:

Olórin
Aug 11th, 2008, 09:39 PM
Slamless is one thing, but when the top 3 combine for 5 titles in 52 weeks...that's pretty sad :shrug:

Yeah I don't think it's so bad having afew slamless players in the top three when you have a number one who has gone 27-1 at the slams :lol:

In 1988 when Steffi, Martina and Chrissie where in the top three and only ONE of them was a slam champ - weaklings :help: :p

thrust
Aug 11th, 2008, 09:41 PM
Absolutely!!

Sammm
Aug 11th, 2008, 09:41 PM
Neither Jankovic not Kuznetsova are pretty or glamorous or even that interesting and both speak English with a thick accent, and that's why everyone is getting their panties in a twist about this . No-one really gives a fuck about their results. Saying that, Jankovic and Kuznetsova's results this year have been consistent, but under real pressure they have been pathetic, but Ivanovic really deserves to be number one with two slam finals.

Venus or Serena could get their fingers out and play a few more tournaments after the US Open ( I DON'T mean three weeks consecutively, driving themselves in to injury :rolleyes:) to improve their ranking , but they don't give a shit about number 1. Does anyone anymore? Does it even mean anything to anyone?

Mina Vagante
Aug 11th, 2008, 09:49 PM
They do suck ass.

Serena hasn't been past the quarters of a major in over a year. :o...but don't worry...she'll be in the top 3 soon enough ;)

Venus and Lindsay are my 'faves' on genetics and nationality only :shrug:

As for the rest of my faves, J. Cap is 'retired', Maria is injured, Vika hasn't stepped up yet, Peer's in a HORRID slump, there's no light @ the end of the tunnel for Nikki, Asia Mo is still learning and so is Ahsha, but her learning curve is harder.

:shrug:

I'm just saying that at least Serena has managed to win 2 events in a row (3 acutally...so she must not be THAT shitty)...something NO one in the top 3 has done....and if Serena/Venus/Lindsay/Vika/Maria/etc. played 20+ events...they'd be in the top 3 too. :yeah:


Am I missing something? Wimbledon :shrug:

Tennisstar86
Aug 11th, 2008, 09:54 PM
lol Cp6uja, 97: Hingis had 3 slams...... and some 9 other tournies..... The current top 3 dont even have 5 tournies between them. nice try to claim your sweet Ana is among the weakest top 3 ever...

Marco Fernandes
Aug 11th, 2008, 10:02 PM
Definately

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 11th, 2008, 10:06 PM
Am I missing something? Wimbledon :shrug:

oh shit :lol: I forgot :lol:

Serenita
Aug 11th, 2008, 10:06 PM
Slamless is one thing, but when the top 3 combine for 5 titles (only 2 Tier Is) in 52 weeks...that's pretty sad :shrug:
Yeah that's sad actually. But no worries, serena will save the tour.

youngbuck
Aug 11th, 2008, 10:09 PM
lol Cp6uja, 97: Hingis had 3 slams...... and some 9 other tournies..... The current top 3 dont even have 5 tournies between them. nice try to claim your sweet Ana is among the weakest top 3 ever...

This top 3 is a bit of a disgrace for women's tennis. Maria, Venus and Serena...please show us what a real champion is made of.

Olórin
Aug 11th, 2008, 10:13 PM
oh shit :lol: I forgot :lol:

:spit:

sammy01
Aug 11th, 2008, 10:16 PM
Has it ever happened that the most dominant player in the last 6 years retired suddenly and had her record whiped off the rankings?

If not, than this is all irrelevant.

not a retirement, but when seles was stabbed and was the undisputed #1 by a mile in the rankings, the woman that took the top spot from her is the greast player of all time, so losing a hugely dominant player is not an excuse as to a weak top 3.

VishaalMaria
Aug 11th, 2008, 10:18 PM
Enough bashing the current field. It is so tired already. :rolleyes:

Says a lot about Serena, Venus, Davenport, and the rest of your faves. They must really suck ass if they haven't broken into the top 3 yet :wavey:


It shows that they dont play often.

Andrew Laeddis
Aug 11th, 2008, 11:23 PM
Yes. This is the worst top 3 in history.

bjurra
Aug 11th, 2008, 11:39 PM
They are probably the lowest achieving top 3 of all time.

BUT, it doesn't mean they won't be capable of great tennis so it's harsh to call them the worst top 3.

Apart from Ana's final three matches at RG, none of them have performed anything even close to "great tennis" in the past 6 months. They simply suck.

brayster87
Aug 12th, 2008, 12:02 AM
yes! they are dreadful.........

Amalgamate
Aug 12th, 2008, 12:11 AM
Yes :help:

slamchamp
Aug 12th, 2008, 12:30 AM
YES!!! :sobbing:

No Name Face
Aug 12th, 2008, 01:05 AM
Yes, all three would be at the bottom end of the top 10 - maybe even top 15 (as peak positions) back in 2001-2003

Julian
Aug 12th, 2008, 01:27 AM
sadly yes. Although i do love all 3, just not the same calibre as years past

AcesHigh
Aug 12th, 2008, 02:05 AM
WTH?

Is that you AcesHigh?

Yes, I'm just tired of this whining, bitching, and complaining. I wish everyone would just STFU. What do they want? Are Serena, Venus, and Sharapova all terrible players? NO, so that Ana, Jelena and Sveta have stayed healthy and actually played tournaments is a credit to them. They deserve their spots.

Yes, I do miss some of the old days. But people's eyes water up and they start sobbing tears of nostalgia whenever those days come up... guess what?? Times change!! Obviously the tour is more physical than ever. If not, the top 3 players would be winning everything in sight.

Get used to it or stop watching. Every situation is unique. It's like baseball. Everyone is hitting 30 HR these days.. 40 HR (or at least when I stopped watching). You can't look back at the early 1900s, mid 1900s and say, oh god, those guys sucked. Everything is relative and numbers are not just transferable, you just cant cut and paste and compare like there are no other variables.

All of this is just so retarded... not because fans shouldnt complain. It's that the SAME PEOPLE are doing it OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER. Find a new hobby? And I'm a huge Venus fan, and I love Serena, Davenport, Hingis, and all the players from the 90s, early 2000s, but it's really mainly the Serena fans that are doing most of the complaining. Serena has been as healthy as the rest.. what is her excuse? And if a player isnt healthy, tough luck.. that's their fault. The hypocrisy of some posters is ridiculous...and not the OP, but some others are the FIRST to say Ana, Jelena, Sveta suck and then the FIRST to say that Serena or Venus or Maria or whatever is the best player in the field :help:

Anyway, I'm done.

EDIT: Not just Serena fans though.. fans of all players. It just seems that Serena fans have been the main offenders.

Hardiansf
Aug 12th, 2008, 03:14 AM
Yes, I'm just tired of this whining, bitching, and complaining. I wish everyone would just STFU. What do they want? Are Serena, Venus, and Sharapova all terrible players? NO, so that Ana, Jelena and Sveta have stayed healthy and actually played tournaments is a credit to them. They deserve their spots.

Yes, I do miss some of the old days. But people's eyes water up and they start sobbing tears of nostalgia whenever those days come up... guess what?? Times change!! Obviously the tour is more physical than ever. If not, the top 3 players would be winning everything in sight.

Get used to it or stop watching. Every situation is unique. It's like baseball. Everyone is hitting 30 HR these days.. 40 HR (or at least when I stopped watching). You can't look back at the early 1900s, mid 1900s and say, oh god, those guys sucked. Everything is relative and numbers are not just transferable, you just cant cut and paste and compare like there are no other variables.

All of this is just so retarded... not because fans shouldnt complain. It's that the SAME PEOPLE are doing it OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER. Find a new hobby? And I'm a huge Venus fan, and I love Serena, Davenport, Hingis, and all the players from the 90s, early 2000s, but it's really mainly the Serena fans that are doing most of the complaining. Serena has been as healthy as the rest.. what is her excuse? And if a player isnt healthy, tough luck.. that's their fault. The hypocrisy of some posters is ridiculous...and not the OP, but some others are the FIRST to say Ana, Jelena, Sveta suck and then the FIRST to say that Serena or Venus or Maria or whatever is the best player in the field :help:

Anyway, I'm done.

EDIT: Not just Serena fans though.. fans of all players. It just seems that Serena fans have been the main offenders.

They are whining and complaining because of a good reason. :rolleyes: And they right! This Top 3 are the worst of all time. And I'm a fan of sweetie Sveta. :o

No Name Face
Aug 12th, 2008, 03:26 AM
Yes, I'm just tired of this whining, bitching, and complaining. I wish everyone would just STFU. What do they want? Are Serena, Venus, and Sharapova all terrible players? NO, so that Ana, Jelena and Sveta have stayed healthy and actually played tournaments is a credit to them. They deserve their spots.

Yes, I do miss some of the old days. But people's eyes water up and they start sobbing tears of nostalgia whenever those days come up... guess what?? Times change!! Obviously the tour is more physical than ever. If not, the top 3 players would be winning everything in sight.

Get used to it or stop watching. Every situation is unique. It's like baseball. Everyone is hitting 30 HR these days.. 40 HR (or at least when I stopped watching). You can't look back at the early 1900s, mid 1900s and say, oh god, those guys sucked. Everything is relative and numbers are not just transferable, you just cant cut and paste and compare like there are no other variables.

All of this is just so retarded... not because fans shouldnt complain. It's that the SAME PEOPLE are doing it OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER. Find a new hobby? And I'm a huge Venus fan, and I love Serena, Davenport, Hingis, and all the players from the 90s, early 2000s, but it's really mainly the Serena fans that are doing most of the complaining. Serena has been as healthy as the rest.. what is her excuse? And if a player isnt healthy, tough luck.. that's their fault. The hypocrisy of some posters is ridiculous...and not the OP, but some others are the FIRST to say Ana, Jelena, Sveta suck and then the FIRST to say that Serena or Venus or Maria or whatever is the best player in the field :help:

Anyway, I'm done.

EDIT: Not just Serena fans though.. fans of all players. It just seems that Serena fans have been the main offenders.

Um...they're kinda bad to be leading the game. Look at the stats. It's pretty objective.

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 12th, 2008, 07:35 AM
With the ranking system of the 1996ish era, where the points were averaged, I doubt that the top 10 would look the same. It's just sad that this new system is UTTERLY about quantity over quality. I mean....to be #1 and win 1 out of 22 events is RIDICULOUS (if Jelena had won either of the 2 events where she could have clinched #1, I'd be less bitter about this, but this is REALLY nuts).

I certainly think that the players who are winning events/playing well are just as guilty for the make-up of the top 3 as the players we're bitching about, because they don't play well week-in and week-out. It's just worth noting that the #4 player in the world has as many Tier I titles as the top 3 combined. :shrug: If you took the #4, 6, and 8 players (Serena, Safina, Venus), their 52-week accomplishment overshadow those who are 'leading' the tour.

I just think it's quite curious.

But you know, they're just making the most of the new system. If the tour found a way to rank players based on winning instead of playing, I trust that there'd probably be less injuries, because there'd be less pressure to play every week.

Matt01
Aug 12th, 2008, 10:18 AM
Yes, all three would be at the bottom end of the top 10 - maybe even top 15 (as peak positions) back in 2001-2003


:lol: Delusional much, eh?

No Name Face
Aug 12th, 2008, 10:22 AM
:lol: Delusional much, eh?

You're telling me that Kuznetsova, Ivanovic, and Jankovic would have better rankings than at least 2001-2003 Serena, Venus, Henin, Clijsters, Mauresmo, Capriati, Hingis, Davenport...hell even Dementieva has a 4-0 W/L over Ivanovic. They would be in the bottom of the top 10 as peak positions.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Aug 12th, 2008, 10:27 AM
Tokyo?

and thanks for the corrections :yeah:

You mentioned 1 Tier I final for Ana.
Tokyo 2007 is the only one she ever lost.

Nikkiri
Aug 12th, 2008, 10:32 AM
Boohoo.

Matt01
Aug 12th, 2008, 10:51 AM
You're telling me that Kuznetsova, Ivanovic, and Jankovic would have better rankings than at least 2001-2003 Serena, Venus, Henin, Clijsters, Mauresmo, Capriati, Hingis, Davenport...hell even Dementieva has a 4-0 W/L over Ivanovic. They would be in the bottom of the top 10 as peak positions.


And you are seriously telling me a peak Kuznetsova for example would be behind the likes of Dokic or Hantuchova, who were both Top 10 in 2002 (and in 2008 aren't anymore), when Sveta one year later in 2004 after her US Open win was Top 5? Like I said, you are seriously deluded....

young_gunner913
Aug 12th, 2008, 11:01 AM
And you are seriously telling me a peak Kuznetsova for example would be behind the likes of Dokic or Hantuchova, who were both Top 10 in 2002 (and in 2008 aren't anymore), when Sveta one year later in 2004 after her US Open win was Top 5? Like I said, you are seriously deluded....

Dokic and Hantuchova? :spit: If those are the two top 10 players that you're bringing up in 2002, you're seriously deluded to the point that you brought up the two weakest in terms of success. But then again, I guess thats the only way the current top three could even compete, weakest vs. weakest. :rolleyes: