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Karolina_Sprem
Aug 10th, 2008, 04:40 PM
I've just read few articles about tennis tournament In Beijing and many withdraws from the competition. Apparently organizers are not happy because of this and they want medical statements from every national medical team of each player who pulled out or thinking to withdraw. If medical team proves that player is not able to play they'll respect that otherwise organizers will report a player to Olympic Committee...
Just read also that Jankovic is thinking of pulling out as well...:eek:

hablo
Aug 10th, 2008, 04:41 PM
What happens once they get reported to the Olympic Committee ? :lol:

Optima
Aug 10th, 2008, 04:41 PM
Jelena's confirmed to play.

Karolina_Sprem
Aug 10th, 2008, 04:45 PM
What happens once they get reported to the Olympic Committee ? :lol:

I don't know...ask Mr Jeak Rouge;)

LadyLil
Aug 10th, 2008, 04:45 PM
I've just read few articles about tennis tournament In Beijing and many withdraws from the competition. Apparently organizers are not happy because of this and they want medical statements from every national medical team of each player who pulled out or thinking to withdraw. If medical team proves that player is not able to play they'll respect that otherwise organizers will report a player to Olympic Committee...
Just read also that Jankovic is thinking of pulling out as well...:eek:

Links to articles please? Thanks.

Slumpsova
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:21 PM
What happens once they get reported to the Olympic Committee ? :lol:
tennis will be pulled out or probably open for only non-pro players? :scratch:
i don't mind to see the players like Elena Baltacha & Kristina Barrois playing in the final of London 2012 if only they are fully commited to the tournament.

woosey
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:23 PM
evidently they are not used to dealing with such unprofessional athletes. they are used to dealing with people who follow through on their commitments.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:25 PM
Reporting to the Olympic Comittee? I think players couldn't care less :lol:

ce
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:26 PM
China should be angry
all this players committed,and i am fully with China about this

Slumpsova
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:30 PM
thinking about these players even bothered to play Fed Cup in the last few years bc of this event is just absurd :rolleyes:

ChrisCologne
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:30 PM
Itīs obvious where this leads to. And I fully support that.

If professionals earnings millions of dollars in their sport get injured and just go for the games opening ceremony and the experience for 4-5 days of being in the village knowing that they are in danger of withdrawing, they make the draws a joke if withdrawing the last minute.

If players know they are in danger of not being able to play, stay at home and allow others to go BEFORE a draw is made.

If they cannot re-arrange the seedings, top or bottom halfs of draws get ridiculous.

I support Davenport and Niemayer who support doubles by withdrawing from singles, but the withdrawal of Ivanovic as this was very clear days ago is sad for tennis. She would have allowed another player to go to the Olympics.

Slumpsova
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:32 PM
nothing new, i truely lost some respect to Ana as well :(

ElusiveChanteuse
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:34 PM
They should be glad that the Chinese players have more chances to win a medal in the Olympics.:p

RenaSlam.
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:36 PM
I don't understand why these athletes commit, make the trip, walk in the opening ceremonies, and THEN decide to pull out.

Seems pretty selfish to me.

sharapovarulz1
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:44 PM
Oh no getting reported to the Olympic commitee, shit everybody hide! ;)

W2RZeroEight
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:50 PM
I don't understand why these athletes commit, make the trip, walk in the opening ceremonies, and THEN decide to pull out.

Seems pretty selfish to me.

i agree. ana been having doubts for days even week before the olympics, players always say they won't play if they are not 100%, if you're in doubt why make the trip and wait for draw to come out and then quit? at least lindsay is playing doubles. jelena is injured pretty much every single tournament if she quits now will be a surprise! :lol:

RFSTB
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:56 PM
I don't blame the organizers for being upset. Tennis players are an affront to all real athletes. Just a bunch of pampered whiners playing for money.

court70
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:56 PM
Itīs obvious where this leads to. And I fully support that.

If professionals earnings millions of dollars in their sport get injured and just go for the games opening ceremony and the experience for 4-5 days of being in the village knowing that they are in danger of withdrawing, they make the draws a joke if withdrawing the last minute.

If players know they are in danger of not being able to play, stay at home and allow others to go BEFORE a draw is made.

If they cannot re-arrange the seedings, top or bottom halfs of draws get ridiculous.

I support Davenport and Niemayer who support doubles by withdrawing from singles, but the withdrawal of Ivanovic as this was very clear days ago is sad for tennis. She would have allowed another player to go to the Olympics.


Lindsay also knew that she could not play singles and should have withdrawn days ago so that someone else could have a chance.

court70
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:58 PM
I don't understand why these athletes commit, make the trip, walk in the opening ceremonies, and THEN decide to pull out.

Seems pretty selfish to me.

That was they main reason for commiting.

Dodoboy.
Aug 10th, 2008, 06:05 PM
Who is Nicole V playing?

Optima
Aug 10th, 2008, 06:06 PM
Who is Nicole V playing?

Cornet.

Caz
Aug 10th, 2008, 06:16 PM
I can kind of understand that these players wanted to go to the Olympics to take part in the ceremony, be in the village etc. since they had qualified by their ranking and the Olympics only come around once every 4 years, so they never know if they'll get another chance to be there again, but, I do think that if they knew they were injured and would be unlikely to be able to compete, which they must have done, it was a very selfish decision to make. By taking their place and not withdrawing until after the draw was made, they have taken away the opportunity of some of the real alternates to have the experience of competing in the Olympics and in doing so, they have weakened the draw, as the alternates that will now take their place are whichever doubles players happen to be around, in order of singles rank, rather than necessarily the next highest ranked singles players in the world. I can definitely nnderstand the organisers being upset at this.

Dodoboy.
Aug 10th, 2008, 06:16 PM
Oh yeah.

I forgot Tati withdrew and i got the two slumpers missed up :lol:

RenaSlam.
Aug 10th, 2008, 06:18 PM
That was they main reason for commiting.

:tape: :spit:

Infiniti2001
Aug 10th, 2008, 06:27 PM
I don't understand why these athletes commit, make the trip, walk in the opening ceremonies, and THEN decide to pull out.

Seems pretty selfish to me.

I'm actually in shock to hear this from a Serena fan :tape: How do you know they did not do everything in their power to try to play? I mean if the players are hurt do you expect them to further aggravate their injuries? :shrug:

Slumpsova
Aug 10th, 2008, 06:41 PM
I'm actually in shock to hear this from a Serena fan :tape: How do you know they did not do everything in their power to try to play? I mean if the players are hurt do you expect them to further aggravate their injuries? :shrug:
it's funny that among this stupid withdrawals, Serena and Venus are ones of the players who commit to what they intended to do. they don't just moaning around like a babies and out of a sudden throw the press conference to only say "i'm sorry i can't play. this is my worst moment blah...blah...blah".

Destiny
Aug 10th, 2008, 06:47 PM
Oh well they will get over it soon

thrust
Aug 10th, 2008, 07:54 PM
I don't understand why these athletes commit, make the trip, walk in the opening ceremonies, and THEN decide to pull out.

Seems pretty selfish to me.

Those who have pulled are, I think, are truly injured. Ana was probably hoping that somehow she would recover enough to at least win a Medal. Those who made the trip wanted to be an Olympian, and as there are few chances to do so, did what they could to be one even if injured. Very few would pull out,unless it was absouutely necessary.

griffin
Aug 10th, 2008, 09:45 PM
evidently they are not used to dealing with such unprofessional athletes. they are used to dealing with people who follow through on their commitments.

The Chinese officials are used to dealing with people they can chuck in jail for not following orders.

Sucks for tennis, though.

Dawn Marie
Aug 10th, 2008, 10:00 PM
Ana Ivanovic lost my respect.

Pengwin
Aug 10th, 2008, 10:01 PM
The Williams Sisters will rescue the competition.

alfonsojose
Aug 10th, 2008, 10:02 PM
I've just read few articles about tennis tournament In Beijing and many withdraws from the competition. Apparently organizers are not happy because of this and they want medical statements from every national medical team of each player who pulled out or thinking to withdraw. If medical team proves that player is not able to play they'll respect that otherwise organizers will report a player to Olympic Committee...
Just read also that Jankovic is thinking of pulling out as well...:eek:

Source? I'm not being rude. The issue is quite interesting :yeah: but don't u have any links :D Thanks

Dawn Marie
Aug 10th, 2008, 10:03 PM
tennis players are injured because of the change on the rackets and the game as a whole. People need to get used to injury pull outs, BUT what Ana did was selfish.

alfonsojose
Aug 10th, 2008, 10:03 PM
The Chinese officials are used to dealing with people they can chuck in jail for not following orders.

Sucks for tennis, though.

:lol:

pcrtennis
Aug 10th, 2008, 10:04 PM
these players are so casual with committments and pull out at the slightest sense of injury...the women players are so weak, i hope they get reported and i hope they strip tennis from the olympics. this is just pathetic. these are supposed to be professional athletes.

gentenaire
Aug 10th, 2008, 10:15 PM
I mean if the players are hurt do you expect them to further aggravate their injuries? :shrug:

Athletes in other sports would, as the Olympics happen only once every 4 years and are considered the highest achievement in sports.
These withdrawals show what everyone knows, the Olympics are nothing but another tournament to tennis players, to players who've already won a slam it might be worth as much as a slam, but not more. Tennis in its current form does not belong at the olympics.

ChrisCologne
Aug 10th, 2008, 10:27 PM
Defending Ana Ivanovic for sportsmanship-wise reasons is just ridiculous. If you injure your finger the way she did no way would she have survived till the semis with that. She knew before flying to Bejing that she would not make it.

The sad part in this though might be the role of the ridiculous ITF.

They did themselves no good in continueing to condemn Rainer Schuettler for playing and writing stupid mails to him, but as I predict they tried to get their no1 player to the Olympics no matter how healthy she is after Sharapova withdrew.

I think that after Heninīs resigning there is a huge (and I mean huge)chaos behind the scenes as the marketing for the WTA is now built on Serbians, a single Russian and the Williams and after years of Justine being the one to beat, they recognize the whole that is left after the important rivalries got lost. We have the Federer-Nadal classic developing and a Serbian following, but we donīt have a classic to promote in singles tennis apart from the sistersī and itīs a tragic that every match they play it gets headlines that it might have been set who wins. So, no surprise, that the ITF might have taken a role in forcing their no1 to at least show up. I have no idea if this was an active role of Ana to take a place someone else might have got last week concerning the spot, might also be childish behaviour and no adult thoughts. She might have thought about skipping the Olympic experience and travelled for ceremony+village.

pcrtennis
Aug 10th, 2008, 10:37 PM
Athletes in other sports would, as the Olympics happen only once every 4 years and are considered the highest achievement in sports.
These withdrawals show what everyone knows, the Olympics are nothing but another tournament to tennis players, to players who've already won a slam it might be worth as much as a slam, but not more. Tennis in its current form does not belong at the olympics.

Exactly.

Ryan
Aug 10th, 2008, 10:57 PM
Most of you people here are such hypocrites. There are many athletes who come to the Olympics not sure if they'll be fit enough to play and some withdraw before/during their events. In tennis the Slams are more important than the Olympics and are worth more, so its normal players would want to be fit and ready for them.

TheBoiledEgg
Aug 10th, 2008, 11:08 PM
the players got injured during the opening ceremony ;) :spit:

terjw
Aug 10th, 2008, 11:13 PM
The women's game is really sufferring through injuries. But I can understand from the organizer's point of view they are not happy.

But I think there's a general problem with women tennis players compared to other sports - not just the Olympics. The view seems to be that it's just OK to make a committment play and then go back on it. Everyone does it so it's OK. This really doesn't happen elsewhere to the same extent. I'd really like to see a change in attitude by the players on their committments - but the WTA is also at fault for bringing this about as well and has to change to do this. I mean in life and business it is completely unacceptable to constantly say you'll do one thing and then constantly pull out of what you said you'll do.

So what to do - and this particularly applies to the Olympics - there should be much greater openess about a player's injuries and condition before entering. I see nothing wrong with a player saying they want to enter but giving a realistic assessment of their chances - say 50% backed up with doctor's reports and saying they want to enter but delay as late as possible a decision as to whether they make it or not. Then the National body (in the case of the Olympics) could say no - we'll pick someone else who is fit. Or could say yep - make your decision at the latest possible moment because with that chance we want you there if you can make it. But the information about a player's chances should be made public. And it should be monitored and if if changes at all along the way - the player should be required to give the change and for it to be published.

Paula Radcliffe is in a race against time. But we want her there if at all possible and we don't want her to be forced to make a decision to withdraw because a late decision is unfair to others.

The key to my mind is being upfront and honest about it all and stating what your actual chances are backed up by the medical reports so everyone is in the picture. It's something that I think the WTA and a lot of players have lost somewhere along the line even to the extent that it's claimed the WTA and tournaments want it kept quiet if a player could or does withdraw because it might affect attendance. If that is true - it's dishonest and breeds more dishonesty. And that is not understood in the world outside tennis.

hawkeye08
Aug 10th, 2008, 11:14 PM
If Ana Ivanovic didn't care about olympics and if she was selfish than why would she immidietly after loosing in Montreal, Canada fly all the way to Tuscany, Italy to see that italian doctors and than fly all the way to China with a team of her own personal doctors and Serbian Olympic Comitee doctors and get all these treatments done to try to recover in time to play. IF that is selfish and disrespectful than I am fine with people calling her that. Obviously she tried to do anything to play at the olympics, she did not go there just to attend the opening ceremony, that is just a stupid thought.

RayVan
Aug 11th, 2008, 12:40 AM
Players get injured all the time and withdraw from different tourneys almost every day. I don’t see the reason, why should they play if they are injured. Oh, or maybe because that’s not in line with the organizers desire to show off the biggest tennis names. I think if Anna is not playing its because she is really injured. The players are participating in the Olympics, because they want so. Many players (not just from tennis) have a very nigh motivation to compete at the games and they withdraw in the last minute that’s because they are really not able to play.
The Chinese want to report a player to ITF because of suspicious withdraw. Oh well, the players are free adults and they (or the doctors) decide should they play or not. It’s not up to any committee to decide.

xan
Aug 11th, 2008, 12:59 AM
I don't blame the organizers for being upset. Tennis players are an affront to all real athletes. Just a bunch of pampered whiners playing for money.

Where have you been these last twenty years?

ALL athletes play for money now - and tennis players are far from being pampered. A top tennis player can expect to play 3 to 5 two hour solo matches in an average tournament week, leaving aside time spent training and practising. Compare that to say a football player - who is too tired to play more than one or two 90 minute team matches a week. - or a marathon runner or pentahlete who performs maybe six times a YEAR.

Womens tennis has suffered a lot of injuries recently - that's tough for the players and Peking - however that has to do with the very lengthy tennios season, and Peking still have Federer and Nadal (and Murray)

Slumpsova
Aug 11th, 2008, 01:02 AM
Players get injured all the time and withdraw from different tourneys almost every day. I don’t see the reason, why should they play if they are injured. Oh, or maybe because that’s not in line with the organizers desire to show off the biggest tennis names. I think if Anna is not playing its because she is really injured. The players are participating in the Olympics, because they want so. Many players (not just from tennis) have a very nigh motivation to compete at the games and they withdraw in the last minute that’s because they are really not able to play.
The Chinese want to report a player to ITF because of suspicious withdraw. Oh well, the players are free adults and they (or the doctors) decide should they play or not. It’s not up to any committee to decide.
who are those MANY PLAYERS? i hardly heard about any other withdrawals. let's face it most of these stupid jokes come from only tennis event.

Pasta-Na
Aug 11th, 2008, 01:05 AM
They should be glad that the Chinese players have more chances to win a medal in the Olympics.:p

yes :lol:

Robert-KimClijst
Aug 11th, 2008, 01:07 AM
All these tennis players are withdrawing at the last second from the Olympics. Davenport, Golovin, Ivanovic, Niemeyer, Ljubicic, and Karlovic to name a few. All of them withdrew. This isn't a grandslam where some other player can take your place and grab the $20,000 even if they lose in the first round. The Olympics is about the experience, about the whole shebang. If a player knows they will most likely not be able to play (like Golovin) then you do not go over there in the first place. Let someone else walk through the Opening Ceremony and stay in the Olympic village the first couple of days. It also makes the draws a complete joke and completely unfair. Look at Serena's draw now with Ana withdrawing. They cannot fix the seeding at the last second, so now you see some players with cakewalk draws. I'm glad Lindsay is still playing doubles, but the athletes who pulled out of everything when they knew they were really never going to get to compete are insulting the games and being selfish. They're robbing others of the full experience! For "professional athletes" they are being very unprofessional. Look at the other sports where players will play no matter what, as they have been looking forward to it for four years straight. Kudos to a player like Sharapova who pulled out way beforehand giving Zvonareva the chance to experience it all. I've lost a lot of respect for Ivanovic and Golovin. I'm praying Jelena does not pull out. I would be disgusted. I understand that these players want the full experience since they don't know where they'll be four years from now, but there is no place for divas and selfishness in the Olympics. You're robbing fellow players and destroying the draws. I am not doubting their injuries, but it's absurd to go to the Olympic games when you know you have about a 2% chance of actually getting to play. It also illustrates the "importance" of the Olympics in tennis. It's no grand slam. Not even close for most players! A few of these tennis players could take a note from some of these other athletes. It's just not professional from these professional tennis players.

hingisGOAT
Aug 11th, 2008, 01:15 AM
I posted my thoughts about this in another thread... these girls are horrible, selfish, embarassing divas, making tennis look like the MOST PATHETIC sport in the whole Olympic games.

I actually think making Olympic tennis for non-professionals only would be a fantastic idea, as someone suggested earlier.

GoDominique
Aug 11th, 2008, 01:21 AM
There is a very simple way to solve this.

Next Olympics, don't offer ranking points.
If that makes even more players stay away from the Games, kick tennis out.

:)

sunsfuns
Aug 11th, 2008, 01:34 AM
Relax folks. Players do withdraw from GS tournaments at the last minute too... And so far there have been only 1 1/2meaningful cases (Ana and Lindsay).

tonybotz
Aug 11th, 2008, 01:55 AM
tennis players are selfish!? NEWSFLASH! haha come on people. pro tennis players are the most spoiled selfish brats in sports. is anyone really surprised by this?

woosey
Aug 11th, 2008, 02:00 AM
Most of you people here are such hypocrites. There are many athletes who come to the Olympics not sure if they'll be fit enough to play and some withdraw before/during their events. In tennis the Slams are more important than the Olympics and are worth more, so its normal players would want to be fit and ready for them.

name five nontennis athletes from the current olympics who have done this.

i don't mean withdraw weeks ahead, i mean while they are there already at the village,etc.

PLP
Aug 11th, 2008, 02:12 AM
hmmm...yeah, I agree that these players shouldn't have made the trip and withdrawn from the competition before the draw was made. It IS totally understandable that the Olympic Committee would be upset. I ope this doesn't mean that tennis will be removed from the games though. I really want to go to London in 2012 and watch the tennis, it will probably be a great competition. Hopefully players like Venus, Serena, and Jelena will go deep in the tournament and keep it exciting, for the OC and the fans. Otherwise...:tape:

PS On the other hand I wouldn't want to see any player worsen their injuries by playing, so it IS probably wise to play it safe...for them. Hopefully nobody is pulling out at the last minute to concentrate on the USO, that decision should have already been made and I have more respect for the players that already decided this.

DutchieGirl
Aug 11th, 2008, 02:35 AM
Relax folks. Players do withdraw from GS tournaments at the last minute too... And so far there have been only 1 1/2meaningful cases (Ana and Lindsay).
Yeah, but there are 4 Grans Slams in a year. That = 16 GSs to every ONE Olympic Games! I can understand organisers are upset. It's also not fair to other players who could have been in the draw and had the whole Olympic experience. Olympics is *meant* to be something special, but some of the players are acting quite unprofessionally about the whole thing.

Slumpsova
Aug 11th, 2008, 02:49 AM
news flash; Karlovic and Ljubicic also withdrew :rolleyes:

sunsfuns
Aug 11th, 2008, 04:40 AM
news flash; Karlovic and Ljubicic also withdrew :rolleyes:

and Tati too, but I said meaningful :rolleyes:

Lindsayfan32
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:14 AM
I see the point about players pulling out so other can replace them. At the same time I can see why Ana left it for as long as she could to pull out you want to know there was no chance of you playing. In Lindsay's case from what I've read over the last few days that she came to china fully expecting to play singles and doubles and then her knee swelled up again and it wasn't worth the risk and found 11 matches 7 days if she kept winning was too much and now with the weather and a Tuesday start the work load is going to be even more. :)

AnomyBC
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:48 AM
They just need make the Olympics worth more points. And maybe even make it a required tournament. Then fewer people will pull out. There, problem solved :)

Malva
Aug 11th, 2008, 05:52 AM
If professionals earnings millions of dollars in their sport get injured and just go for the games opening ceremony and the experience for 4-5 days of being in the village knowing that they are in danger of withdrawing, they make the draws a joke if withdrawing the last minute.

If players know they are in danger of not being able to play, stay at home and allow others to go BEFORE a draw is made.

If they cannot re-arrange the seedings, top or bottom halfs of draws get ridiculous.


I agree that going to Beijing, enjoying the atmosphere, attending the Opening Ceremony, and then withdrawing is highly unprofessional, not to say grotesque.

They just need make the Olympics worth more points. And maybe even make it a required tournament. Then fewer people will pull out. There, problem solved :)

No. The future professional tennis players should be taught some sports ethics. Like they did it in the past.

Dave.
Aug 11th, 2008, 06:27 AM
Going there when you know you can't play isn't a good look.

Going there intending to play but re-aggravating an injury cannot be helped and shows that tennis is in serious problems right now with injuries.

youngbuck
Aug 11th, 2008, 06:32 AM
Let someone else walk through the Opening Ceremony and stay in the Olympic village the first couple of days. It also makes the draws a complete joke and completely unfair. Look at Serena's draw now with Ana withdrawing. They cannot fix the seeding at the last second, so now you see some players with cakewalk draws. I'm glad Lindsay is still playing doubles, but the athletes who pulled out of everything when they knew they were really never going to get to compete are insulting the games and being selfish. They're robbing others of the full experience! For "professional athletes" they are being very unprofessional. Look at the other sports where players will play no matter what, as they have been looking forward to it for four years straight. Kudos to a player like Sharapova who pulled out way beforehand giving Zvonareva the chance to experience it all. I've lost a lot of respect for Ivanovic and Golovin.

I agree with you. Good for a player like Vera to have experienced everything that comes along with something special as the Olympics, like you said, kudos to Maria for doing the right thing. She wasn't selfish and didn't spoil things for fellow collegues. Ivanovic and Golovin should grow up and learn from her example.

Balltossovic
Aug 11th, 2008, 07:31 AM
I don't understand why everyone is jumping on Ana and Only Ana for pulling out :shrug:. Tatiana has been injured since BEFORE the French went to China and pulled out after the Draw :tape:.

Davenport has been injured since Idian Wells went to china and pulled out of the singles yet is still playing doubles. If you can play doubles why not singles? You still have to serve return and do almost everything the way you would do it in a singles match.

Ana's injury is the most recent but yet still she is the one getting the most heat. Why is that? She made a concious effort to be ready before her match unfortunately she is still in pain. What would you have her do?

People seem to forget that Tennis is an individual sport it's not like football (US) where if you get injured you still get a paycheck and the "team" foots your medical bills. The Tennis players have to pay for everything on their own.

I for one would not risk my health if I were an injured player especially with a Major two weeks away.

Someone posted before that Ana could have gone to the Semi's with her injury. While that may be true, what if she played through the Semi's and aggravated her unjury more? playes get 1000 ranking points for winning a slam the GM is only worth about 40o. If she played and got worse she would get flack for not being smart with her schedule :shrug:

Players and not only Ana, players in general cannot win with you guys you will always have something negative to say. If peeps are going to hate on one person for pulling out after the draw was announced, then hate on ALL who did it.

Balltossovic
Aug 11th, 2008, 07:41 AM
Yeah, but there are 4 Grans Slams in a year. That = 16 GSs to every ONE Olympic Games! I can understand organisers are upset. It's also not fair to other players who could have been in the draw and had the whole Olympic experience. Olympics is *meant* to be something special, but some of the players are acting quite unprofessionally about the whole thing.

And everyone who was in the draw QUALIFIED if "they" were not in the draw to begin with, that means they DID NOT perform well enought to be included.

Nikkiri
Aug 11th, 2008, 07:44 AM
I don't understand why everyone is jumping on Ana and Only Ana for pulling out :shrug:. Tatiana has been injured since BEFORE the French went to China and pulled out after the Draw :tape:.

Davenport has been injured since Idian Wells went to china and pulled out of the singles yet is still playing doubles. If you can play doubles why not singles? You still have to serve return and do almost everything the way you would do it in a singles match.

Ana's injury is the most recent but yet still she is the one getting the most heat. Why is that? She made a concious effort to be ready before her match unfortunately she is still in pain. What would you have her do?

People seem to forget that Tennis is an individual sport it's not like football (US) where if you get injured you still get a paycheck and the "team" foots your medical bills. The Tennis players have to pay for everything on their own.

I for one would not risk my health if I were an injured player especially with a Major two weeks away.

Someone posted before that Ana could have gone to the Semi's with her injury. While that may be true, what if she played through the Semi's and aggravated her unjury more? playes get 1000 ranking points for winning a slam the GM is only worth about 40o. If she played and got worse she would get flack for not being smart with her schedule :shrug:

Players and not only Ana, players in general cannot win with you guys you will always have something negative to say. If peeps are going to hate on one person for pulling out after the draw was announced, then hate on ALL who did it.

I agree with most of this :) Too bad many people here have made there mind up about Ana even long before the Olympics.

Dave.
Aug 11th, 2008, 07:46 AM
Davenport has been injured since Idian Wells went to china and pulled out of the singles yet is still playing doubles. If you can play doubles why not singles? You still have to serve return and do almost everything the way you would do it in a singles match.



No, doubles is physically alot less demanding as you only cover half the court and the points in general are shorter. It's completely different to singles especially the way Lindsay plays them. In singles she plays most of her points from the baseline, in doubles she spends the whole time at net. The impossible thing for Lindsay is to play both events with her knee. She chose the unselfish option of not letting down her partner and withdrawing from singles.

Balltossovic
Aug 11th, 2008, 08:25 AM
No, doubles is physically alot less demanding as you only cover half the court and the points in general are shorter. It's completely different to singles especially the way Lindsay plays them. In singles she plays most of her points from the baseline, in doubles she spends the whole time at net. The impossible thing for Lindsay is to play both events with her knee. She chose the unselfish option of not letting down her partner and withdrawing from singles.

This is my point. Peeps are saying players shouldn't have made the trip if they knew they were injured. It's a double edged sword. While you may think it's unslefish for her to not let down her partner another might think it's selfish for her to withdraw from single so late knowing she was injured :shrug:

My overall point is that it is unfair that people are saying Ana was wrong and they lost respect for her (peeps can do as they please as far as I'm concerned I just want to make my point)when no less that four other players did the same.

Malva
Aug 11th, 2008, 08:55 AM
It also makes the draws a complete joke and completely unfair. Look at Serena's draw now with Ana withdrawing. They cannot fix the seeding at the last second, so now you see some players with cakewalk draws. I'm glad Lindsay is still playing doubles, but the athletes who pulled out of everything when they knew they were really never going to get to compete are insulting the games and being selfish.

All these withdrawals after the draws were made are terribly deforming the competition. I absolutely agree, this is completely unfair and, honestly, despicable.

Dave.
Aug 11th, 2008, 09:11 AM
This is my point. Peeps are saying players shouldn't have made the trip if they knew they were injured. It's a double edged sword. While you may think it's unslefish for her to not let down her partner another might think it's selfish for her to withdraw from single so late knowing she was injured :shrug:

My overall point is that it is unfair that people are saying Ana was wrong and they lost respect for her (peeps can do as they please as far as I'm concerned I just want to make my point)when no less that four other players did the same.

When Lindsay arrived in Beijing she was expecting to play both events. It was only after practicing there for a while did her knee caused more problems. She did not go to Beijing with the intention of withdrawing from singles.

It's a similar situation with Ana. She went to Beijing expecting to play, so people should not fault her for that. But this is wtaworld and alot of people can't stand that Ana has been so successful so they say anything to bring her down.

aussie_fan
Aug 11th, 2008, 09:20 AM
And everyone who was in the draw QUALIFIED if "they" were not in the draw to begin with, that means they DID NOT perform well enought to be included.

Thankyou, exactly what I think. It's not like they went to beijing with the intention of not playing.

SOA_MC
Aug 11th, 2008, 09:38 AM
I agree with you. Good for a player like Vera to have experienced everything that comes along with something special as the Olympics, like you said, kudos to Maria for doing the right thing. She wasn't selfish and didn't spoil things for fellow collegues. Ivanovic and Golovin should grow up and learn from her example.

:weirdo::weirdo::weirdo:

Doctors diagnosed Pova's injury and told her she will need 3 months of rehab no chance of participating in the olympics

Ana and Tati's injury were touch and go it was a 11th hour decision for both to see if they could compete in the olympics

They are not comparable

youngbuck
Aug 11th, 2008, 10:17 AM
:weirdo::weirdo::weirdo:

Doctors diagnosed Pova's injury and told her she will need 3 months of rehab no chance of participating in the olympics

Ana and Tati's injury were touch and go it was a 11th hour decision for both to see if they could compete in the olympics

They are not comparable

I disagree. I fully stand by my point. Very selfish from both players.

terjw
Aug 11th, 2008, 10:56 AM
Two things: I'm thinking of when the player is carrying injuries which threatens her participation and the claims that what she did (pulling out after the draw) was selfish:

First - on no account if she is too injured to play should she be made to play. Or put under undue pressure to play.

Second - when she has an injury and she knows beforehand there is a possibility that injury may cause her to have to pull out - the decision should then be taken right out of her hands as soon as the problem is known. Of course she will want to leave it as late as possiblle. But I think she and her doctors should provide all the details on her chances of playing to her National Organisation - and provide updates at any time if her chances change for better or for worse. And the National organisation in consultation with the Olympics organisers in Beijing make a decision as to whether to allow her to proceed and make her decision at the last minute.

DutchieGirl
Aug 11th, 2008, 11:15 AM
I don't understand why everyone is jumping on Ana and Only Ana for pulling out :shrug:. Tatiana has been injured since BEFORE the French went to China and pulled out after the Draw :tape:.


You obviously didn't read many of the responses if you think "everyone" was only talking about Ana in here.

terjw
Aug 11th, 2008, 11:18 AM
When Lindsay arrived in Beijing she was expecting to play both events. It was only after practicing there for a while did her knee caused more problems. She did not go to Beijing with the intention of withdrawing from singles.

It's a similar situation with Ana. She went to Beijing expecting to play, so people should not fault her for that. But this is wtaworld and alot of people can't stand that Ana has been so successful so they say anything to bring her down.

Sorry - I don't buy that. Ana before she went talked about her thumb injury and said it jeopardised her chances of playing in the Olympics. And I simply don't buy that Lindsay thought her knee was OK and that there wasn't a significant risk. She hadn't played a tournament - there's bound to be a risk.

DutchieGirl
Aug 11th, 2008, 11:21 AM
And everyone who was in the draw QUALIFIED if "they" were not in the draw to begin with, that means they DID NOT perform well enought to be included.
OK, in that case, Sharapova & Krajicek should have gone to the Olympics, with their injuries, knowing they wouldn't play, and then also just pulled out at the last minute because they wanted to try to play. Sorry, no. Maria & Misa did the right thing by pulling out and allowing someone else to have the full experience, and not have to be called up at the last second to come and play so that there were even enough players in the draw. It's absolutely atrocious that there are so many pullouts AFTER the draw has been done. The draw was only done a couple of days before the tourney started - the players must know by then if they are going to be right or not to play. So you obviously didn't understand what I was saying before.

Obviously everyone in the draw QUALIFIED...how the freaking hell else would they be in the draw if they didn't (WC's also "qualify by default")? :weirdo: But IF the players who were injured pulled out earlier then it would have been more fair. MY point of view, and it's NOT only aimed at Ana. :wavey:

And why don't you try reading the WHOLE sentence, and not using half of it taken out of context to try to support what you are saying. I was talking about the players who now are being asked to play as "fill ins" who could have had the proper experience if the players had pulled out a couple of days before the Ollies.

teleri
Aug 11th, 2008, 12:32 PM
I guess players get used to wait and see process even deep down inside they knew they wouldn't be able to play. So I don't call them selfish,just unprofessional decisons from professional players.

thomas.chung
Aug 11th, 2008, 03:52 PM
First of all, those who say that people are being unfair for trouncing Ana and not Lindsay are just selfish. Doubles and singles are totally different game, whereas singles is more about the physical, doubles is more about the team work and strategies where if one player lacks a certain aspect in their physical or game, the team mate could hopefully complement and make up for what is missing. For Lindsay, her knee injury may have restricted her movement, but since she does not have to cover as much court in doubles and points are typically shorter, she can afford to play the doubles.

On the other hand, as much as I love Ana, her decision to not even stay and play for the doubles really baffles me. Looking back at 2007, Serena had a similar thumb injury, but I believe that Serena pulled out one very good match with Henin at Wimbledon. To me, it shows that even with a hurt thumb, you can still try and if you can't make it through, you can then at least say, "I tried by best." To me, these pull out are just jokes. As much as I think some are genuine injuries, for some I think the real reason is that the players can't handle the conditions. While I hope this is not the case and may be a bit far stretched, but I am beginning to think this is the case. Also, if Ana visited three doctors, I think as a responsible doctors they would have told Ana not to play with her current condition.

Compared to other sports, many players train, live, breath and die for the Olympics. Those professional athletes (and I emphasize PROFESSIONALS) put their livelihoods on their successes in the Games. Meanwhile, tennis players just treat Olympics like a getaway, walk out at the Bird's Nest, and the just return home thinking they had the whole experience without one single impact on their career whatsoever. I think those that does this does not deserve to be called professional. If they are really professional athletes, they should care about something that only happens only a few times in their career and their sport, not just treat it like a short trip to the show stadium. Also, not only does these pull-out look bad for themselves, it look bad to the countries and countless other fellow Olympic tennis/non-tennis athletes (not to mention unfair) who competed hard and trained hard to get to the Village and had the chance of their lifetime. Some of these tennis players got it too easy, and now they don't seize the chance. Shame on them.