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AnnaK_4ever
Aug 10th, 2008, 12:32 PM
Olympics tennis event has started as a joke and now it's turning into utter mess with singles players having to play 6 matches in 6 days in order to get a medal, not to mention many of them compete in doubles as well.
It's obvious the winner will be decided by luck, the weather conditions are unbearable and the organisation is dreadful. That means two things:
1) tennis doesn't belong to Olympics as it's been stated many times before,
2) top players should leave Beijing asap and head for USA to prepare themselves to the real competition, otherwise in two week time we'll get big names dropping like flies at the US Open.

Bilbo123
Aug 10th, 2008, 12:34 PM
you sound like all sports which are participating at the olympics are shit. i would rather question the tennis sport itself if it's not fitting for the biggest sports event in the world. tennis is the only sport not being played at the moment.

probably tennis doesn't belong at the olympics but it has nothing to do with the olympic system.

Costanza
Aug 10th, 2008, 12:40 PM
Olympics tennis event has started as a joke and now it's turning into utter mess with singles players having to play 6 matches in 6 days in order to get a medal, not to mention many of them compete in doubles as well.
It's obvious the winner will be decided by luck, the weather conditions are unbearable and the organisation is dreadful. That means two things:
1) tennis doesn't belong to Olympics as it's been stated many times before,
2) top players should leave Beijing asap and head for USA to prepare themselves to the real competition, otherwise in two week time we'll get big names dropping like flies at the US Open.

:worship:

Dodoboy.
Aug 10th, 2008, 12:41 PM
It would be a lot more successful it was held in a different time of the year.

It is not as bad as Doha this year :shrug:

Lighter
Aug 10th, 2008, 12:46 PM
Olympics tennis event has started as a joke and now it's turning into utter mess with singles players having to play 6 matches in 6 days in order to get a medal, not to mention many of them compete in doubles as well.
It's obvious the winner will be decided by luck, the weather conditions are unbearable and the organisation is dreadful. That means two things:
1) tennis doesn't belong to Olympics as it's been stated many times before,
2) top players should leave Beijing asap and head for USA to prepare themselves to the real competition, otherwise in two week time we'll get big names dropping like flies at the US Open.Why do you think Marion Bartoli refused to be eligible for OG ? Because she has forecasted this joke very early.

AnnaK_4ever
Aug 10th, 2008, 12:47 PM
It would be a lot more successful it was held in a different time of the year.

It is not as bad as Doha this year :shrug:

Doha was not supposed to be one of the tennis biggest events and playing there didn't hurt players chances at the next GS event -- Roland Garros.

AnnaK_4ever
Aug 10th, 2008, 12:48 PM
Why do you think Marion Bartoli refused to be eligible for OG ? Because she has forecasted this joke very early.

Marion, :worship:

Uranium
Aug 10th, 2008, 12:51 PM
Doha was not supposed to be one of the tennis biggest events and playing there didn't hurt players chances at the next GS event -- Roland Garros.

Ivanovic apparently heard you:p

wateva
Aug 10th, 2008, 12:53 PM
Olympics tennis event has started as a joke and now it's turning into utter mess with singles players having to play 6 matches in 6 days in order to get a medal, not to mention many of them compete in doubles as well.
It's obvious the winner will be decided by luck, the weather conditions are unbearable and the organisation is dreadful. That means two things:
1) tennis doesn't belong to Olympics as it's been stated many times before,
2) top players should leave Beijing asap and head for USA to prepare themselves to the real competition, otherwise in two week time we'll get big names dropping like flies at the US Open.
1) tennis is in the olympics so deal with it
2) top players are top players. they win even when they're not playing their best.

if that's the case, are you implying that players should withdraw from tournaments just because they have 1 day of rain delay? :scratch: what a weird rationale...

Uranium
Aug 10th, 2008, 12:55 PM
1) tennis is in the olympics so deal with it
2) top players are top players. they win even when they're not playing their best.

if that's the case, are you implying that players should withdraw from tournaments just because they have 1 day of rain delay? :scratch: what a weird rationale...

it's supposed to rain Monday and Wednesday as well according to a poster :help:

wateva
Aug 10th, 2008, 12:58 PM
it's supposed to rain Monday and Wednesday as well according to a poster :help:
well, it was supposed to rain for the first week of the french open as well...
:shrug:
anyway, this thread has no point because the medal winners get 1 week of rest (given that they don't play new haven) after the games.
so what's the big deal?:confused:

AnnaK_4ever
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:00 PM
1) tennis is in the olympics so deal with it
2) top players are top players. they win even when they're not playing their best.

if that's the case, are you implying that players should withdraw from tournaments just because they have 1 day of rain delay? :scratch: what a weird rationale...

I don't wanna top players exhaust themselves by playing potentially 11 matches (6 singles + 5 doubles) in 6 days in such terrible conditions right before the last Grand Slam of the season.

Uranium
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:00 PM
well, it was supposed to rain for the first week of the french open as well...
:shrug:
anyway, this thread has no point because the medal winners get 1 week of rest (given that they don't play new haven) after the games.
so what's the big deal?:confused:

I agree, I love the Olympics, but all the withdrawals are ruining it.:o

wateva
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:04 PM
I don't wanna top players exhaust themselves by playing potentially 11 matches (6 singles + 5 doubles) in 6 days in such terrible conditions right before the last Grand Slam of the season.
well, i guess they know how to weigh their priorities given the amount of withdrawals? if the select few continue with the games, they will access their condition as well throughout this week... asking ALL to get out is a bit too harsh?:confused:

AnnaK_4ever
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:05 PM
well, it was supposed to rain for the first week of the french open as well...
:shrug:
anyway, this thread has no point because the medal winners get 1 week of rest (given that they don't play new haven) after the games.
so what's the big deal?:confused:

How many 2004 Olympics semifinalists reached 2004 USO SFs? None.
How many got to QFs? One.

Not a big deal?

Shvedbarilescu
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:07 PM
.....and 8 minutes after AnnaK 4ever starts this thread the BBC anounce Anna Ivanovic's withdrawal. Scary. :unsure:

It would seem when AnnaK 4ever speaks people listen. :eek:

wateva
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:08 PM
How many 2004 Olympics semifinalists reached 2004 USO SFs? None.
How many got to QFs? One.

Not a big deal?
because the olympics semi-finalists were not favourites in the first place for us open?
justine was just coming back from an injury, alicia, momo and nastya were never favourites to win the title?
maybe for these players, they want the olympics medal more?
it's not so easy to given a direct conclusion to this situation you know...

enchantrezz
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:15 PM
Id like to think the players themselves know what they are up to when they chose to play in this Olympic event knowing that Usopen schedule is also not far away. They are already in Beijing so they will make the most out of it...except of course for those who are not healthy.

AnnaK_4ever
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:16 PM
because the olympics semi-finalists were not favourites in the first place for us open?
justine was just coming back from an injury, alicia, momo and nastya were never favourites to win the title?


world No.1, No.2, No.3 were not among the favorites???
Henin was a defending champion and just won Olympics. Her physical conditions were under question but it's stupid to think she was not one of the contenders.
Mauresmo won Canada and Olympics silver.
Myskina was runner-up at San Diego and semifinalist at Canada and Olympics.

If not them, who were the favorites beside Lindsay? Kuznetsova, Dementieva, Petrova?

Dodoboy.
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:17 PM
AnnaK = God :lol:

Ana listens!

Hopefully JJ does too :devil:

Zoeki
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:19 PM
I don't think these players getting out of Olympic is only to move to USA.

They come to Beijing directly,not going to America to play some US OPEN SERIES.

Lighter
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:20 PM
I don't wanna top players exhaust themselves by playing potentially 11 matches (6 singles + 5 doubles) in 6 days in such terrible conditions right before the last Grand Slam of the season.That's exactly very criticized Marion Bartoli's feeling explained here :

Q. Tu as décidé donc il y a longtemps de pas faire les JO. En ce moment tu
joues bien. Tu n'as pas un peu de regret de pas pouvoir enchaîner sur un tournoi
important comme ça?
MARION BARTOLI: Bien, en fait, je joue bien pour une certaine raison. Et si
je vais au JO dans la façon dont la fédé me le propose, de toute façon je jouerai
pas à ce niveau-là. Donc, ça sert à quoi? Vous me voyez là aujourd'hui, dans
l'état où je suis, prendre l'avion rentrer à Paris. Lundi soir je reprends l'avion
pour aller à Beijing et on me dit, bon bien c'est bien Marion, mais maintenant
pendant cinq jours tu t'entraînes comme nous on a décidé et tu fais quatre heures
par jour, parce que comme tu t'es pas entraînée assez, t'as pas fait assez de
matchs, il faut que tu fasses quatre heures par jour avec deux matchs
d'entraînement par jour, parce que comme tu joues pas toute l'année, il faut que
tu fasses des matchs d'entraînement. On a tout compris, on sait comment il faut
que tu t'entraînes. Et puis ton père, eh ben, tu le laisses à côté et on verra bien.
Eh ben, à votre avis dans une semaine je suis dans quel état et je joue comment?

Marion's Interview in French (translation in english here : http://marionbartoli.blog.co.uk/)

goldenlox
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:20 PM
It's going to be hard to make the final 4 here, and then get to the USO final.
This is once every 4 years, and I think it's worth it for someone like Sveta or Dinara, to try to get an Olympic medal, even if it hurts their USO chances.

Zoeki
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:29 PM
They will feel much better after the heavy rain.

new-york
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:29 PM
It's going to be hard to make the final 4 here, and then get to the USO final.
This is once every 4 years, and I think it's worth it for someone like Sveta or Dinara, to try to get an Olympic medal, even if it hurts their USO chances.

Dinara played a lot, won a lot, if anything, i'd say skip the Olympics for the USO because it might be your chance.

That would be a shame if she bombed out early at the USO after winning L.A. & Montreal.

Olympics are cool & important though, too bad we can't have all our top players.

Dave.
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:31 PM
Cincinnati > Olympics

:lol: I really love the Olympics but the timing is horrible and so are the conditions this year in Beijing. I prefer when they have it after the USO (like 2000).

ViennaCalling
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:33 PM
If Tamira does well @ the US Open because she didn´t get nominated for Olympics and played Cincy instead i would be happy :p

Olórin
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:35 PM
world No.1, No.2, No.3 were not among the favorites???
Henin was a defending champion and just won Olympics. Her physical conditions were under question but it's stupid to think she was not one of the contenders.
Mauresmo won Canada and Olympics silver.
Myskina was runner-up at San Diego and semifinalist at Canada and Olympics.

If not them, who were the favorites beside Lindsay? Kuznetsova, Dementieva, Petrova?

Well Serena of course :p

kaktusino
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:39 PM
Please, stop this. :o
To be Olympic champion this is dream for every athlete. And it's very prestige. In tennis maybe not as to win a slam, but however... Don't forget that Olympics it's responsibility for the hometown, and this is very important not only for tennis player but for every athlete.
I know it's very difficult to play in this conditions, but nothing to do ... I hope that the real fighters who really wants to bring gold medal to own country will stay here to play till the end!

Protoss
Aug 10th, 2008, 01:40 PM
Why is the Olympic tennis event set up to be 6 matches in 7 days (at best)? Why not have the event over a longer time span?

Lunaris
Aug 10th, 2008, 02:13 PM
(sigh)

So just because of tough conditions at one Games tennis should be completely ruled out of the Olympics? In Athens, Sydney or Atlanta the weather was fine.
I can imagine that in 2012 you will be here with a similar thread claiming that because of continuous heavy rain in London tennis shouldn't be an Olympic sport. :tape:

All those withdrawals have nothing to do with the Olympics of course, blame the dog-eat-dog nature of current tennis contention and relentless training methods players must resort to if they want to survive in such hellhole and stay on top over a long period of time.

The only thing I agree with is that the tournament should be extended by at least 3 days. But that can be done, no need to use it as a reason as why tennis shouldn't be an Olympic sport. Although I admit that it would be quite hard to get ready for the US Open if the Olympics were so far away from New York like they are this time and the time separating the events would be only one week. But nothing is ever easy.

tennnisfannn
Aug 10th, 2008, 02:14 PM
consider all previow gold medalists, graf, venus, lindsay, cpariati, justine, they would have been favoured in every USO regardless of timing, with this arguemnt we are all supposed to see bartoli become the red hot fav. The slam is probably gong to be easier to play anyway. The first three rounds can be relatively easy for the top players with a day in between of rest. if these players cannot recover after seven days between beijing and the USO they have no business believing they can win a title.

AnnaK_4ever
Aug 10th, 2008, 02:23 PM
consider all previow gold medalists, graf, venus, lindsay, cpariati, justine, they would have been favoured in every USO regardless of timing, with this arguemnt we are all supposed to see bartoli become the red hot fav. The slam is probably gong to be easier to play anyway. The first three rounds can be relatively easy for the top players with a day in between of rest. if these players cannot recover after seven days between beijing and the USO they have no business believing they can win a title.

1988 Seoul -- AFTER US Open
1992 Barcelona -- TWO WEEKS between OG and US Open
1996 Atlanta -- the same country, THREE WEEKS between OG and US Open
2000 Sydney -- AFTER US Open
2004 Athens -- ONE WEEK between OG and US Open
2008 Beijing -- ONE WEEK between OG and US Open

None of Olympic champions reached even QF at USO after winning gold medal:

1992 -- Capriati -- won OG, lost USO 3R
1996 -- Davenport -- won OG, lost USO 4R
2004 -- Henin -- won OG, lost USO 4R

Ksenia.
Aug 10th, 2008, 02:26 PM
I do not agree with the "tennis doesn't belong to Olympics as it's been stated many times before" part. Tennis does belong to Olympics.
In the certain case of Beijing, yes, conditions for tennis players suck big time... Pollution, smog, heat, now heavy rain :tape:
But all in all, tennis should be in Olympics and players should be provided better conditions :shrug:

Lunaris
Aug 10th, 2008, 02:28 PM
1988 Seoul -- AFTER US Open
1992 Barcelona -- TWO WEEKS between OG and US Open
1996 Atlanta -- the same country, THREE WEEKS between OG and US Open
2000 Sydney -- AFTER US Open
2004 Athens -- ONE WEEK between OG and US Open
2008 Beijing -- ONE WEEK between OG and US Open
This takes away from your argument that tennis shouldn't be an Olympic sport because of poor scheduling, doesn't it?

starin
Aug 10th, 2008, 02:36 PM
it is a little ridiculous to have the olympics end 1 week before the USO. That's why I'm kinda hoping Venus and Serena lose 1st rd in doubles. They already have a gold medal in doubles, what's the point in winning another. I don't want them to be exhausted by USO and crash out early.
That Ana Ivonovic is very crafy, realizing she'll have to play 6 days in a row now and withdrawing to get an edge at the USO:devil:

AnnaK_4ever
Aug 10th, 2008, 02:38 PM
This takes away from your argument that tennis shouldn't be an Olympic sport because of poor scheduling, doesn't it?

When and where did I say tennis should not be at Olympics because of its scheduling?
Inappropriate schedule is only ONE of the reasons why tennis doesn't need the Olympic Games.

Lunaris
Aug 10th, 2008, 02:40 PM
None of Olympic champions reached even QF at USO after winning gold medal:

1992 -- Capriati -- won OG, lost USO 3R
1996 -- Davenport -- won OG, lost USO 4R
2004 -- Henin -- won OG, lost USO 4R
Capriati was 16 at the time, 16 years old usually lack fitness and you can't rely on them to produce consistent performances because they are not mature enough.
Davenport was basically a newcomer (she was 20) and a surprise winner. Hardly a major contender for the Slams at the time - lost in 2R at Wimbledon for example.
I give you Henin, but who can say she wouldn't have lost in the 4th round if she hadn't played the Olympics? Did you have a crystal ball?

When and where did I say tennis should not be at Olympics because of its scheduling?
In your opening post you wrote something about 6 days etc. But then you wrote that players in Seoul, Barcelona, Atlanta and Sydney had enough time to prepare for the US Open. So even playing 6 days in a row at the Olympics wouldn't have affected their performance at the US Open. When the Olympics and the US Open are separated by only one week like this year and the players happen to have to play 6 days in a row, it may become an issue. I give you that.

Shvedbarilescu
Aug 10th, 2008, 02:44 PM
How many 2004 Olympics semifinalists reached 2004 USO SFs? None.
How many got to QFs? One.

Not a big deal?

Seriously, I agree with a lot of what AnnaK_4ever is saying while still disagreeing with the fundamental belief that tennis shouldn't be played at the Olympics and those currently involved in the competition should pull out.

Yes, the Olympics are hugely disruptive to the tennis schedule. Yes, achieving success in both the Olympics and the US Open is close to an impossibility, particularly as Beijing is so far away. Yes, the majority, although most definately not all, players and fans regard a Grand Slam as being more important than an Olympic medal for tennis. Yes, the conditions in terms of the heat, pollution, and forecast rain delays, make this competition virtually a survival of the fitest lottery. We could very well end up with the Olympic medals going to completely unfacied players ranked well out of the top 10 as a result. On top of that many of top players success at the US Open might very well also be put in jepardy.

And yet at the end of day none of this matters to me enough that I would seriously entertain the thought that tennis would be better off without the Olympics. For me, it has never been of great importance that the major tournaments are won by the top players. When a tournament loses all it's big stars through withdrawals or upsets before the later stages, I don't lose interest in the tournament because it is without stars or see the tournament as being devalued, I actually get excited that some unheralded player might have a rare opportunity for a title.

So for me if both the Olympics and the US Open are won by players that would not normally considered top contenders for the top awards, I wouldn't consider this a huge disaster. I would simply be happy for the player or players who were best able to take advantage of the different circumstances to achieve success. I would not regard either their achievements or the tournaments themselves as being in any way diminished.

I look at what we would lose if tennis was not part of the Olympics. Firstly I would miss the entertainment of seeing players from my favourite sport participate in such a big event, and often play some highly emotional and dramatic matches. The players would miss out on the experience of sharing a couple of weeks with so many of the greatest athletes of other sports from all over the world. I look at how much so many of the players enjoyed being part of that opening day spectacle and ask if despite the horrid conditions how many would not have wished to be part of it.

I think also of how much having tennis as part of the Olympics means to tennis's popularity too. The Olympics undoubtably provides a great opportunity for tennis to build it's fanbase. Lastly I think of how much an Olympic tennis Medal can mean to the winning country. I think of the ticker tape parade in 2004 when 100s of thousands gather to honour Massu and Gonzalez for winning their 1st ever gold medals. I also think of how much the Olympic gold meant to one of my favourite players Miloslav Mecir.

And what would we gain by not partipating in the Olympics? Maybe a more predictable winner at the US Open. Okay we would also end up with bunch of less tired players, although I doubt many of them will have regretted the experience, pollution, heat and all.

At the end of the day I have only two wishes for tennis at this Olympics. 1) I hope the winners of all these events are amongst the players who do value and prize an Olympic medal on at least the same level as a Grand Slam and not those who think along the lines of AnnaK_4ever that an Olympic medal is something that is fairly pointless, although I do respect his views and appreciate they are shared by a sizable amount of people including a substantial amount of players.
2) I hope no one's health is affected on a long term basis as the result of playing in the less than desirable conditions and weather circumstances in Beijing. While I appreciate many players are going to be exhausted at the end of this event I would not regard being exhausted as a long term adverse health problem.

AnnaK_4ever
Aug 10th, 2008, 02:51 PM
Capriati was 16 at the time, 16 years old usually lack consistency and you can't rely on them to produce consistent performances because they are not mature enough.

What are you talking about? :help:
Jennifer was a top player back then. Between 1990 Roland Garros (her slam debut) and 1993 Wimbledon (that's 13 slams in a row) she failed to reach 4th round at GS only once -- at 1992 US Open.
She reached at least QF at 8 of 9 slams she played between 1991 Wimbledon and 1993 Wimbledon.

Davenport was basically a newcomer (she was 20) and a surprise winner. Hardly a major contender for the Slams at the time.
And once again, what are you on?
Lindsay first reached Top-10 in 1994, two years before she won Olympics. She was not a slam contender at the time but she was poised to reach at least QF at USO that year considering she was one of Top-8 seeds.

starin
Aug 10th, 2008, 02:54 PM
1988 Seoul -- AFTER US Open
1992 Barcelona -- TWO WEEKS between OG and US Open
1996 Atlanta -- the same country, THREE WEEKS between OG and US Open
2000 Sydney -- AFTER US Open
2004 Athens -- ONE WEEK between OG and US Open
2008 Beijing -- ONE WEEK between OG and US Open

None of Olympic champions reached even QF at USO after winning gold medal:

1992 -- Capriati -- won OG, lost USO 3R
1996 -- Davenport -- won OG, lost USO 4R
2004 -- Henin -- won OG, lost USO 4R

olympics after USO is much better. The should just reschedule the USO for an additional week later.

Lucemferre
Aug 10th, 2008, 02:59 PM
Stop whining :rolleyes:

young_gunner913
Aug 10th, 2008, 02:59 PM
And sports like judo and archery should be in the olympics? What's next, dodgeball? :rolleyes:

sunsfuns
Aug 10th, 2008, 03:02 PM
None of Olympic champions reached even QF at USO after winning gold medal:

1992 -- Capriati -- won OG, lost USO 3R
1996 -- Davenport -- won OG, lost USO 4R
2004 -- Henin -- won OG, lost USO 4R

So what? Olympics happen only once in four years. In the worst case can sacrifice one USO for that - it will happen next year too.

Besides this time all non-injured top players are competing so it shouldn't influence results too much...

AnnaK_4ever
Aug 10th, 2008, 03:05 PM
And sports like judo and archery should be in the olympics? What's next, dodgeball? :rolleyes:

:lol: :weirdo:

Archery is one of the oldest sports in the world. It was present at the ancient Games. Of course it belongs Olympics much more than tennis does.

Lunaris
Aug 10th, 2008, 03:09 PM
What are you talking about? :help:
Jennifer was a top player back then. Between 1990 Roland Garros (her slam debut) and 1993 Wimbledon (that's 13 slams in a row) she failed to reach 4th round at GS only once -- at 1992 US Open.
She reached at least QF at 8 of 9 slams she played between 1991 Wimbledon and 1993 Wimbledon.
I wanted to wrote that they lack fitness (it's edited). Capriati reached 3 QF's at the other Slams and lost in 3R of the US. She had two weeks to recover from the Olympics, so even possible lack of fitness couldn't be a reason as why she lost early in New York. You are funny if you think that her victory in Barcelona must have been the reason of her Flushing Meadows failure. Do you have any evidence? How old were you at the time to remember it so well?

And once again, what are you on?
Lindsay first reached Top-10 in 1994, two years before she won Olympics. She was not a slam contender at the time but she was poised to reach at least QF at USO that year considering she was one of Top-8 seeds.
4R at AO, QF at RG, 2R at W, 4R at US - I can't see how her performance at the US was unexpected or even affected by her victory at the Olympics. Especially considering that they played in Atlanta and there were 3 weeks between the Olympics and US Open. Davenport simply produced her average GS result that was expected from her at the time.

sunsfuns
Aug 10th, 2008, 03:09 PM
:lol: :weirdo:

Archery is one of the oldest sports in the world. It was present at the ancient Games. Of course it belongs Olympics much more than tennis does.

Poetry and chariot racing was at the ancient games too... :tape:

Tennis was part of Olympics in early 20th century. And really how about not whining so much?

cellophane
Aug 10th, 2008, 03:09 PM
I don't care about the Olympics personally. The US Open is a much bigger deal, but then I'm not the one playing, I guess.

young_gunner913
Aug 10th, 2008, 03:11 PM
:lol: :weirdo:

Archery is one of the oldest sports in the world. It was present at the ancient Games. Of course it belongs Olympics much more than tennis does.

Chariot racing was popular in the ancient games as well. Wanna bring that back too?

AnnaK_4ever
Aug 10th, 2008, 03:14 PM
Poetry and chariot racing was at the ancient games too... :tape:

Tennis was part of Olympics in early 20th century. And really how about not whining so much?

How about telling Clijsters, or Sabatini, or Martinez, or Novotna, or Majoli there are plenty of slams out there while Olympics come only once every four years?

sunsfuns
Aug 10th, 2008, 03:21 PM
How about telling Clijsters, or Sabatini, or Martinez, or Novotna, or Majoli there are plenty of slams out there while Olympics come only once every four years?

Why not? It's their choice anyway...

young_gunner913
Aug 10th, 2008, 03:21 PM
How about telling Clijsters, or Sabatini, or Martinez, or Novotna, or Majoli there are plenty of slams out there while Olympics come only once every four years?

Did any of those players win their slam in an olympic year? :p

No.

Kim '05, Gabby '90, Conchita '94, Novotna '98, Majoli '97

AnnaK_4ever
Aug 10th, 2008, 03:41 PM
Did any of those players win their slam in an olympic year? :p

No.

Kim '05, Gabby '90, Conchita '94, Novotna '98, Majoli '97

Right.
If Conchita or Jana were told in 1996 they could win either Wimbledon or Olympics both of them would choose Olympics without a doubt :tape:

young_gunner913
Aug 10th, 2008, 03:46 PM
There's an old saying about if's.
If your mom had testicles, she'd be your dad.
What's your point?

If they choose to win the olympics over Wimbledon, that's their prerogative. It doesn't mean tennis should be taken out of the olympics. :o

Lunaris
Aug 10th, 2008, 03:49 PM
I don't get why you feel a need to post shit about the event so many other posters seem to be enjoying very much. You may have your own opinion, but if you really have to argue and even start threads at least don't use so many blunt terms. They aren't helping your arguments anyway.

AnnaK_4ever
Aug 10th, 2008, 03:52 PM
Ignore me and enjoy that joke of event as much as you wish.
Simple as that :shrug:

young_gunner913
Aug 10th, 2008, 03:58 PM
It would easy if you didn't go around in other threads complaining about how crappy the olympics are. You're basically asking for this attention. Opening a thread, going around spewing negativity. :o

AnnaK_4ever
Aug 10th, 2008, 04:02 PM
JUST ignore me. You know, you could use such option -- put me on ignore list and live with no negativity :wavey:

Lunaris
Aug 10th, 2008, 04:07 PM
Ignore me and enjoy that joke of event as much as you wish.
Simple as that :shrug:
It's quite hard to ignore you when you start a thread with this title and troll in the thread on Ivanovic's withdrawal. You could have posted all of your crap in the other thread started by Volcana where many people already complain about the Olympics. I made my points in that thread and have been ignoring it since then.

hablo
Aug 10th, 2008, 04:19 PM
Tennis belongs in the OG. It was there since 1896. :p

Other sports in track and field aren't so amateurish. How do you explain the million $ jackpot ? :p

Ivanovic wouldn't look as if she had been crying, if she didn't care about the OG.

Myskina still has nightmares about how she blew it vs :bigwave: and can barely watch tennis there. This shows how much she cared.

Olympic Games matters to some tennis players and they should be rewarded by letting them play. Who cares if players like Clijsters, Hingis didn't appreciate. Federer said winning gold would matter to him as much as winning Wimbledon. :bowdown:

AnnaK_4ever
Aug 10th, 2008, 04:26 PM
Federer said this because he can't win a big title nowadays. He is lucky Karlovic withdrew.

hablo
Aug 10th, 2008, 04:35 PM
He knows how it feels to win a Wimbledon title and he said winning gold medal would means just as much to him. :yeah:

Anyhow, ask Myskina how much winning gold would have mattered to her. ;)

LCS
Aug 10th, 2008, 04:51 PM
:yawn:

archie4
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:08 PM
Oh come on--the Olympics are no joke! The players care about doing well, and the field is quite strong. There is rain at almost every tennis tournament. Yes, it would help if the players had one extra day. (I'm not sure why they don't start Saturday.) Give it a chance before you trash the tournament to bits!

zhangxian22
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:13 PM
unfortunately you cannot make the decision for them
still one of the best line ups for Olympics this year

wateva
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:18 PM
henin was the defending champion so what? there will always be an asterisk next to her name as she just came back from her injury.
and back in 2004, mauresmo was never a threat for the slams. (sorry habs)
myskina was destroyed in her lone hard court final so you call her a favourite?
the only clear favourite was lindsay and she didn't play in the last olympics.
she made it clear on where her priorities were.
so since this year, most players chose to play olympics, it was obvious where their priorities are.
if you have an objection to that, be their manager or something! :shrug:
again, i emphasize it's the players' choice.
no point harping on this when they have already decided?

thomas.chung
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:22 PM
like Fed Cup or Davis Cup, the Olympics is a chance for players to represent their countries, which for some is quite important. While it is true that the Olympic is disruptive to the overall schedule during Olympic years, it is by all mean not that much different from all the other non-Olympic years. Also, Fed/Davis Cup are also quite disruptive if you consider when these matches are played (usually after major GS). However, players can pull out if they are too exhausted. You get one week of rest in-between the two tournament, which by "tour" standard is already enough time for many players. I don't see how the Olympic is causing problem. Most players that are pulling out are not because the air is bad or they can't handle the heat and all that, they are injured with pre-existing injuries.

As for whether tennis should be in Olympic or not, I'd say yes because I fail to see why not.

And here is my thing, if you don't like it, don't play it. I think the players know it very well that they have the option of not to play (unless you are Chinese). So even if the top players pull out, there are still other, lower-ranked players who are willing to play. So I don't see what is there to complain. In fact, I just treat this as another Davis/Fed Cup.

Calypso
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:30 PM
At the end of the day, the choice of whether to go to the Olympics or not lies with the players. Its their choice and they are well aware of any implications of playing there.

Lucemferre
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:33 PM
Some people expect everybody to agree with them :o If a player says otherwise they are lying :o

TheBoiledEgg
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:45 PM
its not whether they should or shouldnt be there, its just the timing of it is all wrong, the games should have been in late Sep
only reason why they were held in Aug was cos of 08/08/08 :o

gotthebend
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:47 PM
And sports like judo and archery should be in the olympics? What's next, dodgeball? :rolleyes:

Archery players played through heavy rain. (Korea beat France.):devil:

A lot of these players came to the Olympics already injured or
unfit. We can't just blame everything on the Olympics.

RFSTB
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:53 PM
Tennis players are supposed to be athletes. Real athletes compete, that is what they do! Regardless of the opponent, venue, locale, comfort level...come rain or come shine, come one come all.

mirzalover
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:56 PM
I dont really see how anyone has the right to bitch when its not your ass playing. Obviously if they went to China its because its important to THEM. Its a one in a lifetime event and they want to take part and rep their country and maybe win a medal. Deal with it.

terjw
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:57 PM
Agree with some of what AK4 says but not all.

To me - tennis in the Olympics is like a glorified exhibition. Halfway between an individual comp and a team event like the Fed Cup but neither one nor the other. From the Olympics point of view I don't think anyone would notice if tennis was there or not. And from the tennis point of view - it would get by fine without the Olympics. The Olympics are certainly not central to tennis.

Having said that - it does mean a lot to many of the players and it means a lot to most of the fans on this forum. It's in the Olympics at the moment - so taking it out is just being mean right now to the tennis players and fans for whom it does mean a lot. Although I do have a problem with the selfish notion of some of these fans who say they want tennis in but would take archery out. I start to lose all sympathy when someone says that - and lean to the idea of let's sweep away a lot of events including tennis which aren't really central to the Olympics.

I also resent the suggestion that the players pulling out with injuries are faking it and that the Olympics doesn't mean anything to them and that they are cynically doing it to prepare for the USO.

Dodoboy.
Aug 10th, 2008, 06:04 PM
Who does Nicole Vaidosova play?!?!??!?!

Marcelo.
Aug 10th, 2008, 06:25 PM
The Olympic Games are the biggest and most important event in Sport in Earth ;)

Every athlete dreams winning a Olympic Gold Medal :)

hablo
Aug 10th, 2008, 06:54 PM
its not whether they should or shouldnt be there, its just the timing of it is all wrong, the games should have been in late Sep
only reason why they were held in Aug was cos of 08/08/08 :o

No it's not the reason. The Chinese wanted to have it in September and NBC didn't.

There is a thread about it in Non-Tennis and an article posted in the Bejing Pollution thread on GM.

Svetlana.
Aug 10th, 2008, 07:11 PM
Olympics tennis event has started as a joke and now it's turning into utter mess with singles players having to play 6 matches in 6 days in order to get a medal, not to mention many of them compete in doubles as well.
It's obvious the winner will be decided by luck, the weather conditions are unbearable and the organisation is dreadful. That means two things:
1) tennis doesn't belong to Olympics as it's been stated many times before,
2) top players should leave Beijing asap and head for USA to prepare themselves to the real competition, otherwise in two week time we'll get big names dropping like flies at the US Open.

relax ;) and enjoy the Games.

Lighter
Aug 10th, 2008, 07:17 PM
The Olympic Games are the biggest and most important event in Sport in Earth ;)

Every athlete dreams winning a Olympic Gold Medal :)True for non professionnal or without own league sports, not true for Soccer, Basket ball, Rugby, Golf or tennis leagues which work without OG support.

RFSTB
Aug 10th, 2008, 07:37 PM
True for non professionnal or without own league sports, not true for Soccer, Basket ball, Rugby, Golf or tennis leagues which work without OG support.

Add Cycling(road racing) and Baseball to that list. I think all of these sports should be out of the Olympics. Baseball will be out in 2012, Golf and Rugby should stay out.

Lighter
Aug 10th, 2008, 07:53 PM
Add Cycling(road racing) and Baseball to that list. I think all of these sports should be out of the Olympics. Baseball will be out in 2012, Golf and Rugby should stay out.You're right for cycling and base ball. I have no opinion on Boxing and women soccer.

Shvedbarilescu
Aug 10th, 2008, 08:07 PM
I think is a shame that this debate has now gotten to the the "this sport should be removed, this sport can stay" level. The Olympics is the biggest sporting event in the world, the more sports it can and does accomodate the better. We don't have to watch events we don't want to. Whether archery is in or not isn't going to affect my life, but it will make the lives of archery fans and competitors much more exciting. The same can be said of pretty much all sports. The more the merrier. Personally I think it is a shame if Baseball is no longer going to be an Olympic sport although as the Olympics conflict with the US Baseball season I can understand how it doesn't quite fit in.

Serenidad.
Aug 10th, 2008, 08:19 PM
If not them, who were the favorites beside Lindsay?

Badumpirerena. :sobbing:

njnetswill
Aug 10th, 2008, 09:22 PM
The reaction of players like Djokovic, Federer, and Davenport prove that as long as tennis players wish to experience the honor and excitement of representing their countries at the Olympics, tennis should remain an Olympic event.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Aug 10th, 2008, 09:54 PM
:lol: :weirdo:

Archery is one of the oldest sports in the world. It was present at the ancient Games. Of course it belongs Olympics much more than tennis does.

Tennis belongs to OG 1000 times more than Archery . The reason : tennis is a popular sport and archery is a boring as hell sport

Wtrain
Aug 10th, 2008, 10:45 PM
Badumpirerena. :sobbing:

:lol: awesome

Costanza
Aug 10th, 2008, 10:55 PM
Real mess will be if rain delay tomorrow matches.Just imagin that mess:help::tape:

Junex
Aug 11th, 2008, 02:16 AM
1988 Seoul -- AFTER US Open
1992 Barcelona -- TWO WEEKS between OG and US Open
1996 Atlanta -- the same country, THREE WEEKS between OG and US Open
2000 Sydney -- AFTER US Open
2004 Athens -- ONE WEEK between OG and US Open
2008 Beijing -- ONE WEEK between OG and US Open

None of Olympic champions reached even QF at USO after winning gold medal:

1992 -- Capriati -- won OG, lost USO 3R
1996 -- Davenport -- won OG, lost USO 4R2004 -- Henin -- won OG, lost USO 4R

And you just killed your argument with your case with Davenport & Atlanta Olympics.
in 1996, the conditions were fine, and the 3 week rest period was more than enough and yet the slamless up and coming Lindsay lost in the 4th round of the USO...:eek:

So therefore, your argument is BULL$HIT!!!


Stick to stastistics will you......

Serenita
Aug 11th, 2008, 02:40 AM
relax ;) and enjoy the Games.
Couldn't have said it better;)

Kenny
Aug 11th, 2008, 02:48 AM
Olympic games just need to take heed about this year's games regarding the tennis situation. The arenas must have a roof, they just have to have one for it to run smoothly.

Hardiansf
Aug 11th, 2008, 03:36 AM
I'm really glad Vee and Serena doesn't have the same opinion with you AnnaK4ever!
And I'm sure most of your favorites do not have it, either