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endofdaze
Aug 9th, 2008, 06:39 PM
I think it's outrageous that Jill Craybas was given Lindsay's spot today on the Olympic team when Bethanie Mattek is ranked 31 spots ahead of her!!! Anyone have any more info to explain this? Is this just cronyism by Zina? Grrrr.

sharapovarulz1
Aug 9th, 2008, 08:29 PM
I do think Bethanie deserves the singles spot over Jill but what can we do!

In The Zone
Aug 9th, 2008, 08:30 PM
Learn the rules, please.

On the date of the Olympic cutoff, Jill was ranked higher than Bethanie. Because Ashley declined her spot, Jill was the next American. Beth only started playing well the week after RG. The cutoff was when RG was finished.

JujulCactus
Aug 9th, 2008, 08:31 PM
I think Jill will retired after olympics :rolleyes:
So it's a great thing to retire in a big event :)

ArturoAce.
Aug 9th, 2008, 08:39 PM
Learn the rules, please.

On the date of the Olympic cutoff, Jill was ranked higher than Bethanie. Because Ashley declined her spot, Jill was the next American. Beth only started playing well the week after RG. The cutoff was when RG was finished.

i believe lily o was ranked higher than beth at that time too..
so she had a long wayy

I think Jill will retired after olympics :rolleyes:
So it's a great thing to retire in a big event :)

i heard around the forum, dont remember where, that she had eyes on london 2012, but probably not true

Noctis
Aug 9th, 2008, 08:44 PM
The Title IS Screwed,SCREW U :ras:

sharapovarulz1
Aug 9th, 2008, 08:49 PM
Ahhh right! Don't think Jill will retire she is still a very good doubles player :)

JujulCactus
Aug 9th, 2008, 08:52 PM
Ahhh right! Don't think Jill will retire she is still a very good doubles player :)

I think I read that somewhere ...
Maybe I just don't understand :shrug:

ArturoAce.
Aug 9th, 2008, 08:56 PM
well if you look at her...she's 34 but
she still has a body of a 25 year old..fit as hell
and never an injury...
i think she still has long carreer ahead...imo

endofdaze
Aug 9th, 2008, 09:07 PM
Yes, please do learn the rules.

Jill wasn't on the team announced in June. There were only 4 ladies named. So the June 9 rankings are irrelevant. Under the player selection process submitted by the USTA to, and approved by, the IOC, Bethanie should have gotten the spot.

"IV.B.3 Describe how the replacement athlete(s) will be selected, should a vacancy
occur:
. . .
after 2 August 2008 and during the Games: As defined by the ITF regulations regarding entry and replacement."

http://www.usta.com/~/media/FD3ECCBF03C64513A718C596203BEB57.ashx

The ITF regs use the System of Merit to replace players.

So Beth should have gotten the spot.

In The Zone
Aug 9th, 2008, 09:16 PM
Yes, please do learn the rules.

Jill wasn't on the team announced in June. There were only 4 ladies named. So the June 9 rankings are irrelevant. Under the player selection process submitted by the USTA to, and approved by, the IOC, Bethanie should have gotten the spot.

"IV.B.3 Describe how the replacement athlete(s) will be selected, should a vacancy
occur:
. . .
after 2 August 2008 and during the Games: As defined by the ITF regulations regarding entry and replacement."

http://www.usta.com/~/media/FD3ECCBF03C64513A718C596203BEB57.ashx

The ITF regs use the System of Merit to replace players.

So Beth should have gotten the spot.

:spit: Wrong.

Jill was a designated alternate from Day 1. They use the rankings from after RG. Jill got in after withdrawals, Gallovits' injury, and Paszek unable to go to Beijing. Jill was an outlined alternate and was always on the list. And when the USTA named their team, in each press release -- they even say that they are hopeful that they can enter their fourth singles participant: Jill Craybas.

The "after August 2" rule is for players who are on site and that is how doubles players get into the draw to replace players. Such as Davenport and Golovin, where Martinez Sanchez became ALT # 1. There are rules and outlines. It is nothing personal. If Bethanie Mattek were being cheated, I think we would have heard about it.

ArturoAce.
Aug 9th, 2008, 09:21 PM
:spit: Wrong.

Jill was a designated alternate from Day 1. They use the rankings from after RG. Jill got in after withdrawals, Gallovits' injury, and Paszek unable to go to Beijing. Jill was an outlined alternate and was always on the list. And when the USTA named their team, in each press release -- they even say that they are hopeful that they can enter their fourth singles participant: Jill Craybas.

The "after August 2" rule is for players who are on site and that is how doubles players get into the draw to replace players. Such as Davenport and Golovin, where Martinez Sanchez became ALT # 1. There are rules and outlines. It is nothing personal. If Bethanie Mattek were being cheated, I think we would have heard about it.

:yeah:

endofdaze
Aug 9th, 2008, 09:49 PM
:spit: Wrong.

Jill was a designated alternate from Day 1. They use the rankings from after RG. Jill got in after withdrawals, Gallovits' injury, and Paszek unable to go to Beijing. Jill was an outlined alternate and was always on the list. And when the USTA named their team, in each press release -- they even say that they are hopeful that they can enter their fourth singles participant: Jill Craybas.

The "after August 2" rule is for players who are on site and that is how doubles players get into the draw to replace players. Such as Davenport and Golovin, where Martinez Sanchez became ALT # 1. There are rules and outlines. It is nothing personal. If Bethanie Mattek were being cheated, I think we would have heard about it.
I'm not so sure.

On Day 1, the USTA said "U.S. women’s tennis coach Zina Garrison announced a four-woman team with three singles entries and two doubles teams. All three singles players -- Serena Williams, Venus Williams and Lindsay Davenport -- are former Olympic gold medal winners. The two nominated U.S. women’s doubles teams consist of world No. 1 Liezel Huber with Davenport and the Williams sisters."

There was no mention of alternates and I haven't seen anything since that mentions alternates. There's nothing else on the USTA site. Where can I find one of these press releases?

ArturoAce.
Aug 9th, 2008, 09:52 PM
your making it way more complicated then it has to be

just look on the acceptance list.

1st alt gallovits
2nd alt morigami
3rd alt craybas

tamira withdrew but gallovits and morigami are injured, so craybas got in..
easy as that..
jeeez:o

In The Zone
Aug 9th, 2008, 10:14 PM
Williams sisters, Bryan brothers to lead U.S. tennis team
June 26, 2008
CBSSports.com wire reports

WIMBLEDON, England -- Former gold medalists Venus Williams and Serena Williams are expected to play both singles and doubles for the Olympic team announced Wednesday by the U.S. Tennis Association.

The nine-member team also includes Lindsay Davenport, who won a gold medal in singles at the 1996 Games. She'll play singles and has been nominated for doubles with Liezel Huber, ranked No. 1 in the world in doubles.

First-time Olympians James Blake, Sam Querrey and Robby Ginepri were named to the men's team in singles. Bob Bryan and Mike Bryan, the No. 1 doubles team, and Blake and Querrey have been nominated as the U.S. men's doubles teams.

The International Tennis Federation is still filling roster spots, and the USTA anticipates another place will be available on the women's team. It's expected to go to Jill Craybas, who would be a first-time Olympian at age 34.

Zina Garrison will coach the women's team.

"With three former gold medalists on our team and the No. 1 doubles player in the world, we are certainly capable of earning medals at this Olympics," Garrison said.

Rodney Harmon will coach the men's team for the first time.

"With all of our singles players making their Olympic debuts and the Bryans searching for one of the few prizes they have still to earn in their accomplished careers, our goal is to be on the podium when all is said and done," Harmon said.

At the 2000 Games, the Williams sisters became the first siblings to combine for an Olympic gold medal in doubles. Venus also won the gold in singles. The only other woman to sweep both titles was Helen Wills in 1924.

Tennis will be played Aug. 10-17 in Beijing.

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Thank you.

endofdaze
Aug 9th, 2008, 11:56 PM
Thank you.
Yeah, lots of people expected it. That was the speculation since Ashley said she didn't want to play. But I don't recall that it ever happened.

endofdaze
Aug 10th, 2008, 12:02 AM
your making it way more complicated then it has to be

just look on the acceptance list.

1st alt gallovits
2nd alt morigami
3rd alt craybas

tamira withdrew but gallovits and morigami are injured, so craybas got in..
easy as that..
jeeez:o
The acceptance list shows she got the spot. We know that. The question is whether she should have.

drake3781
Aug 10th, 2008, 03:11 AM
The acceptance list shows she got the spot. We know that. The question is whether she should have.

Just curious: do you know how tournament entry lists work?

youizahoe
Aug 10th, 2008, 12:35 PM
The ranking has less importance than the performances. If you are ranked in the top 48 you are always eligble, but you need to perform well at a few tournaments, so Jill didn't deserve this entree at all, since she can't perform.

Slumpsova
Aug 10th, 2008, 12:55 PM
that's why Jill was crying during the ceremony? :lol: