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geoepee
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:15 PM
Ok, this question might've been asked and answered before,...

I knew that Serbia wouldn't have a doubles team in Beijing, but does anyone know the reason why?

Ana and Jelena, our no 1 and 2 players, why aren't teaming up for Beijing?
Is it egos? I know they're both capable of playing doubles,...

Lucas_Arg
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:16 PM
You must have a special chemistry with your partner and apparently they don't like each other THAT much.

dybbuk
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:17 PM
Ok, this question might've been asked and answered before,...
I knew that Serbia wouldn't have a doubles team in Beijing, but does anyone know the reason why Ana and Jelena, our no 1 and 2 players, aren't teaming up for Beijing?
Is it egos? I know they're both capable of playing doubles,...

Well in Ana's case that is debatable. :spit: I don't think a reason was ever given. They have both been asked about it before and they didn't know if they were going to. I wish they would have.

frontier
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:21 PM
they came separately and obviously dislike each other.I think JJ feels inadequate next to Ana...she is overshadowed by Ana s beauty

дalex
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:21 PM
Ana didn't want to 'cos she wanted to give herself the best chance to win singles medal/gold.

Optima
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:22 PM
they came separately and obviously dislike each other.I think JJ feels inadequate next to Ana...she is overshadowed by Ana s beauty

:spit:

Stop spewing bullshit :tape:

gaviotabr
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:24 PM
Well.. right now Ana is probably barely going to be able to play singles, with the thumb injury still bothering her.. imagine if she still had to play doubles.

But I think the original reason is that both wanted to foucus on the singles, where they have realistic chances. They both consider themselves poor doubles players. Ana hasn't played a doubles match for over a year (except for 1 match at Fed Cup against Romania that they strugled to win), and Jelena hasn't played much doubles either.

Tennisstar86
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:24 PM
There games dont match up well together... (I dont think Ana's game would match up well with anyone though..)

Its like Maria...they just shouldnt play doubles.....
Don't they hate each other BTW...

geoepee
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:25 PM
You must have a special chemistry with your partner and apparently they don't like each other THAT much.
yeah, i see that...
but isn't bad chemistry better than no chemistry? i think you'd want to at least give your country a shot at medaling?

Tennisstar86
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:26 PM
Well.. right now Ana is probably barely going to be able to play singles, with the thumb injury still bothering her.. imagine if she still had to play doubles.

But I think the original reason is that both wanted to foucus on the singles, where they have realistic chances. They both consider themselves poor doubles players. Ana hasn't played a doubles match for over a year (except for 1 match at Fed Cup against Romania that they strugled to win), and Jelena hasn't played much doubles either.

Didnt Jelena win mix doubles at Wimbledon last year? or at least was a finalist?

Patrick345
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:30 PM
You must have a special chemistry with your partner and apparently they don't like each other THAT much.

Becker and Stich.

schorsch
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:35 PM
JJ wanted to play, but Ana refused and well... JJ then realized maybe for now its better like this, cause they arent that good at doubles. And frankly, JJ needs a doubles specialist on court to do really well and complement her. Cause what I saw from Ana...She's just a singles player on the doubles court. Smacks away at the ball etc. So, well. Maybe in four years, I guess.

gaviotabr
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:37 PM
Didnt Jelena win mix doubles at Wimbledon last year? or at least was a finalist?

Yep. She won Wimbledon mixed doubles with Jamie Murray last year. But I just read an interview where the reporter pointed it out and she still said she thinks she is not a good doubles player.

gaviotabr
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:38 PM
JJ wanted to play, but Ana refused and well... JJ then realized maybe for now its better like this, cause they arent that good at doubles. And frankly, JJ needs a doubles specialist on court to do really well and complement her. Cause what I saw from Ana...She's just a singles player on the doubles court. Smacks away at the ball etc. So, well. Maybe in four years, I guess.

Ana really does not know how to play doubles. And this comes from a fan.

frontier
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:40 PM
JJ wanted to play, but Ana refused and well... JJ then realized maybe for now its better like this, cause they arent that good at doubles. And frankly, JJ needs a doubles specialist on court to do really well and complement her. Cause what I saw from Ana...She's just a singles player on the doubles court. Smacks away at the ball etc. So, well. Maybe in four years, I guess.JJ will still be playing at 28yrs
:rolleyes:

Just Do It
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:41 PM
At least they are sharing a room in Olympic village ...NOT :angel:

Dodoboy.
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:42 PM
It's disappointing!

Wouldn't they be #1 seeds?

Who cares if they don't get along, they should have at least entered if they can :shrug:

Dodoboy.
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:43 PM
And they are young!

JackFrost
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:46 PM
It would be silly for both, Ana and Jelena, to play doubles, too.
Ana is injured and it wasnīt sure, she could play in singles. Jelena is tired out after two or three single matches (LA, Montreal). Why should they burden themselves with a double tournament and risk to make the injury and the exhaustion even worse?

frontier
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:47 PM
And they are young!Ana is going to be 21yrs in November and JJ 24yrs thats geriatric in tennis

SOA_MC
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:47 PM
Different girls, different personalities from different sides of the Belgrade block.

Apparently their relationship is respectful .. which is good enough for me.

Who says just cause they come from the same country, they have to be best buddies.

Yep:worship:

But according to the drama queens of WTAWorld they hate each others guts

LindsayRulz
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:49 PM
Could they have played in the doubles event? Ivanovic isn't ranked in doubles I think?

DA FOREHAND
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:52 PM
Becker and Stich.

Men are more likely to do so than two women. Women tend to make/take things much more personal

kinseh
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:54 PM
Ana does not know how to play doubles! :spit: (And I wouldn't say that Jelena is too good either, but at least she has a Wimbledon mixed title.)

That said, I wish they had teamed up and played for their country just this one tournament.. :sad: :awww:

kinseh
Aug 7th, 2008, 05:56 PM
Could they have played in the doubles event? Ivanovic isn't ranked in doubles I think?

Isn't every player in the singles draw eligible to play doubles too? :scratch:

schorsch
Aug 7th, 2008, 06:01 PM
Ana is going to be 21yrs in November and JJ 24yrs thats geriatric in tennis

good therefore serena and venus are old hags :D

дalex
Aug 7th, 2008, 06:03 PM
Men are more likely to do so than two women. Women tend to make/take things much more personal


That said, I wish they had teamed up and played for their country just this one tournament.. :sad: :awww:

Ana and Jelena played doubles together before. It was in FC in Budapest. Also, it was reported that they've danced together holding hands when celebrating their team's victory over Croatia (it was in a club in Belgrade after they came back from Croatia).

So, they're not hating each other, that's for sure. If there's some dislike we can't know for sure. We can only speculate.

Since the questions about OG started Ana was always the one saying she's not good at doubles and that she wants to concentrate on singles.
Jelena was the one saying she'd love to play doubles with Ana 'cos it would give Serbia another chance for a medal. After awhile she, too, started saying they're not very good at doubles, but that she doesn't know if they'll play together.

Dodoboy.
Aug 7th, 2008, 06:04 PM
good therefore serena and venus are old hags :D

Why is that a gooD thing?

дalex
Aug 7th, 2008, 06:11 PM
Why is that a gooD thing?

Because it's a reply to Crapier's post? :lol:

Cp6uja
Aug 7th, 2008, 07:47 PM
Jelena Jankovic is mediocre doubles player and Ana Ivanovic is much worse than JJ. Jelena played more than enough doubles tournaments (more than 50) to show some quality and her overall W/L record is 34-53 and speak for theyself. And she is (much) better doubles player than Ana which never played doubles seriously. Adidas "forced" her to more posing than play doubles with MaKiri, but when Ana once reach TOP10 it's official end of her pathetic doubles career (in terms of results, despite many tennis fans is sad b/c no more MakiriAna doubles).

Jelena Jankovic won Wimbledon in MIXED-doubles, and even injuried, shows some very good matches in Hopman Cup this year in MIXED-doubles. But MIXED-doubles and doubles is not same story like it seems. Biggest problem in mixed-doubles is when women must return mans serve, and Jelena Jankovic have one of best WTA returns. That is basic explanation why she is average doubles player (which she never played realy seriously) and high class MIXED-doubles player (which she also not played so seriously - but b/c ability have big success).

Also very important thing for doubles success is playing together. Ana and Jelena plays just once against weak opponents and won somehow in TB of 3rd set. I give you example of Venus Williams which together with her standard double partner sister Serena won several slams, but her record with anybody else is disaster. And she played with some elite doubles partners like Raymond, Rubin or Morariu at important Fed Cup matches or Olympics but still everytime she lose without Serena (actualy she won 1st round match this season with Wozniacki, and that is her career only win in doubles when her partner is not Serena). And she is 7 times GS champion (+OG), and people expecting (without reason) miracle from Ana and Jelena "team".

They will just waste their time and this decission is smart, not selfish.

Optima
Aug 7th, 2008, 07:49 PM
Jelena was fabulous in that match with Djokovic against Golovin/Clement.

дalex
Aug 7th, 2008, 07:54 PM
Jelena was fabulous in that match with Djokovic against Golovin/Clement.

Yes, and she looked hot in that blue outfit! :drool:
I think I'm gonna watch it now.

frontier
Aug 7th, 2008, 08:00 PM
good therefore serena and venus are old hags :Dyou can throw in insults but the fact remains the same Venus and Serena are the WTA not serbians.They set standards and are womens tennis...they bring in the money and Larry Scott knows it.Its not the third world of serbia that brings money to tennis....Venus and Serena are the money makers.

mb011
Aug 7th, 2008, 08:22 PM
they almost lost in fedcup to the romanian doubles team, and it was a deciding match, if they lost serbia would be out of fedcup, they won it in a third set tiebreak something like 7-5 or whatever. they only play doubles when they cannot finnish of the business in singles. they aren't very good in doubles, if they were they would have played...

and yes, they are not really the best of friends, but they are from the same country and they happen to be at the very top at the same time, so i'd say their relationship is professional. nothing more, nothing less. besides they both said that they don't believe in friendhips on tour, which any half-normal top tennis player will say - and be right...

the bottom line is: they both suck at playing doubles.

Costanza
Aug 7th, 2008, 08:29 PM
Besides the fact that they sucks in doubles,just imagine playing two matches per day in "beautiful" Beijing climate:tape:

mb011
Aug 7th, 2008, 08:31 PM
you can throw in insults but the fact remains the same Venus and Serena are the WTA not serbians.They set standards and are womens tennis.

oh god please. they ARE wta? trust me, wta exsisted long before them, and will probably last long before they are old grandmas. i hate it how people like to generalize things like this. they are wta?? come on.

frontier
Aug 7th, 2008, 08:37 PM
oh god please. they ARE wta? trust me, wta exsisted long before them, and will probably last long before they are old grandmas. i hate it how people like to generalize things like this. they are wta?? come on.For their generation they are the money makers...deal with it.Serbia is a third world nobody really pays attention to that ...thats why their endorsements are bigger...and therefore the richest tennis atheletes.Ana is lucky because she is pretty so she gets more endorsements and attention than jj ...thats reality:p

MaBaker
Aug 7th, 2008, 08:37 PM
you can throw in insults but the fact remains the same Venus and Serena are the WTA not serbians.They set standards and are womens tennis...they bring in the money and Larry Scott knows it.Its not the third world of serbia that brings money to tennis....Venus and Serena are the money makers.


http://smileyjungle.com/smilies/badtaste8.gif

mb011
Aug 7th, 2008, 08:44 PM
For their generation they are the money makers...deal with it.Serbia is a third world nobody really pays attention to that ...thats why their endorsements are bigger...and therefore the richest tennis atheletes.Ana is lucky because she is pretty so she gets more endorsements and attention than jj ...thats reality:p

still. to say they are the wta? i dont think so. and some people have a hard time handling the fact that a "third world nobody" is currently at the top of the game ;) also for example when seles was dominant she was also from a "third world nobody" but still her best results came while actually representing that "third world nobody"...

frontier
Aug 7th, 2008, 09:02 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Spiritually weak
Vulgarly Materialistic
Cowardice
can't spell

and a Britney Spears fan.

I condemn Bumrear to 10 years hard labour...dont bring your bitch fights here to GM fight in jj s forum.Its clear that you are a simpleton:lol::p

Dexter
Aug 7th, 2008, 09:09 PM
Because it increases chances of them both to do well in singles. Playing in such conditions as are reported to be in Beijing is not much of a joy, I guess.

In The Zone
Aug 7th, 2008, 09:10 PM
Because they're not good at doubles. (And secretly don't like each other). Clijsters/Henin Version 2.0

darkchild
Aug 7th, 2008, 09:54 PM
Besides the fact that they sucks in doubles,just imagine playing two matches per day in "beautiful" Beijing climate:tape:

They could be seeded as the No.1 seed, that would be the most humiliating insult to the Olympics.

AcesHigh
Aug 7th, 2008, 09:55 PM
Because it would be an AWFUL idea.

Danči Dementia
Aug 7th, 2008, 09:58 PM
Different girls, different personalities from different sides of the Belgrade block.

Apparently their relationship is respectful .. which is good enough for me.

Who says just cause they come from the same country, they have to be best buddies.

agreed :worship::worship:

I would have like to see them playing boubles though :awww:

JackFrost
Aug 7th, 2008, 10:04 PM
They could be seeded as the No.1 seed, that would be the most humiliating insult to the Olympics.
Donīt they seed because of the double-ranking?
The Bryan-Brothers are No. 1 in the seeding-list at the mens double contest. Thatīs surely not because of their single ranking. ;)

gaviotabr
Aug 7th, 2008, 10:05 PM
At this point it is not even 100% safe to say Ana will play singles..

Acording do her website:

Olympics draw
August 07, 2008 / Beijing

Ana's participation in the Olympic Tennis Event remains in doubt due to a persistent thumb injury that has prevented her from practising fully. If the world No.1 recovers in time for the tournament, which begins on Sunday, she will face the Ukraine's Mariya Koryttseva in the first round.

If she withdraws, what happens to the draw? Hope not though.. Ana has said many times that this Olympics are a dream for her.

danieln1
Aug 7th, 2008, 10:08 PM
they came separately and obviously dislike each other.I think JJ feels inadequate next to Ana...she is overshadowed by Ana s beauty

:haha:
They just respect each other and nothing more, theyīre not friends and donīt talk nothing with each other

frontier
Aug 7th, 2008, 10:15 PM
still. to say they are the wta? i dont think so. and some people have a hard time handling the fact that a "third world nobody" is currently at the top of the game ;) also for example when seles was dominant she was also from a "third world nobody" but still her best results came while actually representing that "third world nobody"...Seles is Hungarian:p

-Sonic-
Aug 7th, 2008, 10:17 PM
Normally I would say its a big shame if people can't put aside one or two squabbles to play for their country on a big international stage.

However, I think they know that they wouldn't have a chance against the USA teams, the Russian teams, the Chinese teams, and numerous others.

They have a great chance to come away with a medal each, I'm sure thats patriotic enough for them - it deffo would be for me if they were British!

darkchild
Aug 7th, 2008, 10:21 PM
Donīt they seed because of the double-ranking?
The Bryan-Brothers are No. 1 in the seeding-list at the mens double contest. Thatīs surely not because of their single ranking. ;)

Lindsay is No.24 in singles and Huber is No.1 in doubles, and they are seeded No.5.

JackFrost
Aug 7th, 2008, 10:30 PM
Lindsay is No.24 in singles and Huber is No.1 in doubles, and they are seeded No.5.
The rankings in the doubles draw is a little bit strange.
Some player have their single ranking, some have their double ranking listed
That means, they mix the single and double ranking for the seeding list?
But some pairs have both players their doubles ranking, some have both players their single ranking. :help:

darkchild
Aug 7th, 2008, 10:35 PM
The rankings in the doubles draw is a little bit strange.
Some player have their single ranking, some have their double ranking listed
That means, they mix the single and double ranking for the seeding list?
But some pairs have both players their doubles ranking, some have both players their single ranking. :help:


They use the higher one.

JackFrost
Aug 7th, 2008, 10:40 PM
They use the higher one.
Ah, ok...itīs still strange.

The Daviator
Aug 7th, 2008, 10:53 PM
Who cares?

And where is the evidence/quotes/proof that Ana didn't want to play and JJ did? Oh yeah, there are none.

Dave.
Aug 7th, 2008, 11:07 PM
Who cares? They're both terrible at doubles (mixed is totally different), they aren't exactly the best of friends and they both have their own injury struggles right now. If they were in the doubles they would have done well to win a round.

Craig.
Aug 7th, 2008, 11:12 PM
Has Ivanovic ever even played doubles?

Ignorant fool, I know. :p

slamchamp
Aug 7th, 2008, 11:14 PM
Because they hate each other?..

MagicMilan
Aug 7th, 2008, 11:16 PM
For their generation they are the money makers...deal with it.Serbia is a third world nobody really pays attention to that ...thats why their endorsements are bigger...and therefore the richest tennis atheletes.Ana is lucky because she is pretty so she gets more endorsements and attention than jj ...thats reality:p
Just like the fact that you have no life :wavey:

The Daviator
Aug 7th, 2008, 11:22 PM
Has Ivanovic ever even played doubles?

Ignorant fool, I know. :p

Yes, many times with Kirilenko :p They reached the final in Rosmalen.

Craig.
Aug 7th, 2008, 11:23 PM
Yes, many times with Kirilenko :p They reached the final in Rosmalen.

Wow, Makiri sure does have a lot of partners. :lol:

Andy.
Aug 7th, 2008, 11:26 PM
Neither are great doubles players and have hardly played with eachother in the past so I doubt they would get very far.

brent-o
Aug 7th, 2008, 11:30 PM
Btw, off-topic but did Kim Clijsters and Justine Henin ever play doubles together at the Olympics? Or anywhere else?

frontier
Aug 7th, 2008, 11:35 PM
Just like the fact that you have no life :wavey:LOOK AT WHAT THE CAT DRAGGED IN:lol::tape::eek:

~Kiera~
Aug 7th, 2008, 11:55 PM
And where is the evidence/quotes/proof that Ana didn't want to play and JJ did? Oh yeah, there are none.

You could tell Ana didn't wish to play doubles at the Olympics from what she said back in Jan/Feb (Fed Cup time) whilst Jelena seemed much keener.

Ana's thoughts on playing doubles at the Olympics -

http://www.24sata.co.yu/novisad.php?id=19988

My coaches don't want me to play doubles (anywhere). Also, I want to win gold medal in singles. I don't mind doubles in Fed Cup, but Olympics is another story...

Jelena's thoughts on playing doubles at the Olympics -

http://www.pressonline.co.yu/vest.jsp?id=29127&sectionId=44

I would really like to play doubles together with Ana at the Olympics, if not for anything else then because it would be a great chance to win a medal. It would be really nice but we'll see...

(Translations are not mine)

MagicMilan
Aug 8th, 2008, 12:31 AM
LOOK AT WHAT THE CAT DRAGGED IN:lol::tape::eek:
your mind's in disturbia :hehehe: :banana:

Julian
Aug 8th, 2008, 03:06 AM
good decision. although i would have loved to have seen them play together, there is no chance that they would win. might as well give their spot to a team who could

Penne1
Aug 8th, 2008, 03:22 AM
Btw, off-topic but did Kim Clijsters and Justine Henin ever play doubles together at the Olympics? Or anywhere else?
Exactly and I have heard from a reliable source that the relationship between Ivanovic and Jankovic makes the relationship between Clijsters and Henin look downright cosy......

InsideOut.
Aug 8th, 2008, 07:52 AM
Btw, off-topic but did Kim Clijsters and Justine Henin ever play doubles together at the Olympics? Or anywhere else?

Yes, in 1998 they won ITF 25K Ramat Hasharon together with double bagel in the first round and beat Mirka Vavrinec's team along the way. :eek:

After that Clijsters/Justine never won another match together, and ended up being bagelled TWICE in the same match (3-6 6-0 6-0) by Cara Black's team. :lol:

Nikkiri
Aug 8th, 2008, 10:08 AM
Who cares?

And where is the evidence/quotes/proof that Ana didn't want to play and JJ did? Oh yeah, there are none.

Exactly. And even if they had decided to play doubles together with Ana's injury it wouldn't have happened anyways so who cares.

Cp6uja
Aug 8th, 2008, 12:38 PM
Btw, off-topic but did Kim Clijsters and Justine Henin ever play doubles together at the Olympics? Or anywhere else?Clijsters is former WTA#1 in doubles and Henin is ranked about #20, so that is way more interesting question than why Ana and Jelena never playing together (except in FC once). They both at their best is ranked between #40-#50 place, never better. If Serbs commit to play doubles in Beijing they will be seeded like #1, but in reality JJ/Ana doubles will be team where "better" player (in terms of career high ranks in doubles) have one of worse career high doubles rankings.

BTW it's not just "rummors" that Ana is "guilty" b/c they not (unnecessary) plays in doubles here. It's not secret that Jelena never have problem to play more than she need :tape:, but Ana (and her team) is always way smarter and accurate about shedule questions.