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Sorana_Cirstea
Jul 11th, 2008, 05:37 PM
So, for quite a while now, I have been following the story of the rising slovakian star Dominika Cibulkova, and the always there Daniela Hantuchova. But I have always had that one question nagging at me. Is Dominika star material? Is Daniela FINALLY back in her groove? While I would always love to think yes to those questions, I do wonder if others have that same opinion, as well as here the opinions of those that don't find them to be all that interesting, or to be a big deal. So. . . with that said, I would love to hear some opinions on the two. : ) Feel free to post with opinions, as I will definitely respond.

Lunaris
Jul 11th, 2008, 05:39 PM
Both suck ass.

iPatty
Jul 11th, 2008, 05:39 PM
It depends on your definition of the term "star". Cibulkova is certainly not going to win Slams or reach the Top5 at any point in her career. Her height has unfortunately given her a distinct disadvantage and she hasn't the talent of Henin to overcome it. Top15 is certainly reachable, probably sometime mid-to-late next season.

Uranium
Jul 11th, 2008, 05:40 PM
Both suck ass.

yea especially Daniela:rolleyes:

Lunaris
Jul 11th, 2008, 05:41 PM
yea especially Daniela:rolleyes:
Exactly,you speak truth as always. :worship:

Sorana_Cirstea
Jul 11th, 2008, 05:50 PM
While it is true that her height give her a disadvantage, you never really know with the younger ones. I would've never expected Agnieszka Radwanska to beat Sharapova at the open last year, but she did. And, I mean, she may not have the talent, but she does have some strengths. I think given a couple more years, she could cause a real uproar.

And as for the Daniela remarks. . . Maybe your right. But I've always stood by her, and I'll always think that she has a legitimate chance to shine through again one day. You can never really be for sure. With either of them.

Malva
Jul 11th, 2008, 06:20 PM
I am going to follow with interest how the further career of Cibulková develops, and whether Hantuchová will continue to compete at the Top 10 level, and before the end of her career she may still win some big trophies.

While it is true that her height give her a disadvantage, you never really know with the younger ones. I would've never expected Agnieszka Radwanska to beat Sharapova at the open last year, but she did. And, I mean, she may not have the talent, but she does have some strengths. I think given a couple more years, she could cause a real uproar.


After Cibulková defeated Venus Williams in Doha, I heard voices projecting for her a career and success comparable to Amanda Coetzer. This still seems plausible to me.

Sorana_Cirstea
Jul 11th, 2008, 06:26 PM
I agree. I think that Daniela can continue to do well, and that she can still maintain the power to be a big threat. She didn't give Ivanovic a run for her money at The Australian Open for nothing; she is good. She just has to believe it, because a lot of her mishaps are those of the mental sort. And as for Cibulkova. . . She is young. She doesn't exactly have the same hunger as the Top5, or even the Top 20. But she is getting there. And somewhere, sooner or later, she's going to shock a Top5 player, and pull out an amazing win. Maybe straight sets, maybe a tight three setter. Either way, I firmly believe she can shock us all.

Not to sound lame, but I had no idea that she had ever defeated Venus. None the less, her defeating Venus at least once does somewhat prove my point.

Natash.
Jul 11th, 2008, 06:40 PM
I am going to follow with interest how the further career of Cibulková develops, and whether Hantuchová will continue to compete at the Top 10 level, and before the end of her career she may still win some big trophies.



After Cibulková defeated Venus Williams in Doha, I heard voices projecting for her a career and success comparable to Amanda Coetzer. This still seems plausible to me.

She played great tennis against Venus. You can watch it in the media thread. I think she has more game than Coetzer.

And I think Domi can be successful. She has an amazing fighting spirit and puts probably her whole body in her shots. She can smack the ball. The tour could use more players like her. And I think she does have the same hunger and desire to be at the top. :)

Sorana_Cirstea
Jul 11th, 2008, 06:51 PM
: ) Finally, the two nicest people appear. haha. Thank you for your input, and I agree with you both. I have a lot of belief in Domi, and I appreciate it when others do too. Does anybody know if she is playing in either of next weeks' tourneys?

¤CharlDa¤
Jul 11th, 2008, 06:55 PM
I don't think Daniela can be considered as a fluke. She has been a fixture at the top of womens tennis for a while now and has showed some consistency over the years (maybe not from tournament to tournament, but from year to year she did ;)).

As for Cibulkova, I don't think I have seen enough of her yet to judge. While I don't believe she will be a constant threat for Grand Slams, I do think she can have a career like Daniela for example.

Sorana_Cirstea
Jul 11th, 2008, 07:03 PM
I don't think Daniela can be considered as a fluke. She has been a fixture at the top of womens tennis for a while now and has showed some consistency over the years (maybe not from tournament to tournament, but from year to year she did ;)).

As for Cibulkova, I don't think I have seen enough of her yet to judge. While I don't believe she will be a constant threat for Grand Slams, I do think she can have a career like Daniela for example.

Hmmm. I know I will sound lame when I say this, but I agree. I think that she will have a fairly good career, and could POSSIBLY threaten for a Grand Slam at some point. With the seeds dropping like flies like they did at Wimbledon(although she was one of them), I think she may just break through. You never really know, and you have to at least admit. . . When the seeds begin falling, and the younger are still standing, it is really exciting.

Malva
Jul 11th, 2008, 07:24 PM
She played great tennis against Venus. You can watch it in the media thread. I think she has more game than Coetzer.

And I think Domi can be successful. She has an amazing fighting spirit and puts probably her whole body in her shots. She can smack the ball. The tour could use more players like her. And I think she does have the same hunger and desire to be at the top. :)

Cibulková's fighting spirit, and her bodily parameters make comparisons with Coetzer somehow inevitable. And Amanda was very successful. I watched her in January 2002 in Australia. She seemed to be quite liked down under, no doubt due to her two Semi-Finals at AO.

Amanda had a very illustrious career: 9 titles (including Tier I), 3 grand slam semis, 3 Quarters. She beat several top players (how many remember today that she ended 32-match winning streak of World #1 Stefi Graf?) and reached career high #3.

Dominika would do well to equal such achievements.

I don't think Daniela can be considered as a fluke. She has been a fixture at the top of womens tennis for a while now and has showed some consistency over the years (maybe not from tournament to tournament, but from year to year she did ;)).

As for Cibulkova, I don't think I have seen enough of her yet to judge. While I don't believe she will be a constant threat for Grand Slams, I do think she can have a career like Daniela for example.

Daniela, of course, cannot be considered a fluke. I wish the thread originator found a more fortunate expression.

I do not think however that Dominika's career is going to resemble that of Daniela. They are so different in every respect.

HTE
Jul 11th, 2008, 07:28 PM
Daniela is a star for sure. I doubt that Dominika will ever do quite as well, but she can still surprise :)

Sorana_Cirstea
Jul 11th, 2008, 07:37 PM
My apologies for the poor choice in title naming. I was simply referring to the opinion of her in her earlier years, when many thought that she would for sure be a Top 3 player. None the less, more of the focus here is really on Domi. I think that she will fair well in time, and that her power will soon come to be recognized on the hard courts these upcoming months. I really like her game, and think it is well suited for the hard-courts. But none the less, I am no expert, so I really would not know. All I have is my belief in her, and I have quite a lot of that.

Malva
Jul 11th, 2008, 07:40 PM
My apologies for the poor choice in title naming.

Are you aware that you can change the wording of the thread title by editing your first post?

Martian Jeza
Jul 11th, 2008, 07:42 PM
Danielka maybe is a star but what she always has underachieved during her career. She could do much better but nothing I can do about.


Cibulkova ? Don't know her and I think she isn't yet a finished product.

Sorana_Cirstea
Jul 11th, 2008, 07:53 PM
Are you aware that you can change the wording of the thread title by editing your first post?

Actually no, I was not aware. But thank you for telling me, so that I now know for future reference. : )

Shvedbarilescu
Jul 11th, 2008, 08:39 PM
Cibulková's fighting spirit, and her bodily parameters make comparisons with Coetzer somehow inevitable. And Amanda was very successful. I watched her in January 2002 in Australia. She seemed to be quite liked down under, no doubt due to her two Semi-Finals at AO.

Amanda had a very illustrious career: 9 titles (including Tier I), 3 grand slam semis, 3 Quarters. She beat several top players (how many remember today that she ended 32-match winning streak of World #1 Stefi Graf? Amanda did all of that without ever reaching higher than #15 in the rankings.
Dominika would do well to equal such achievements.

Daniela, of course, cannot be considered a fluke. I wish the thread originator found a more fortunate expression.

I do not think however that Dominika's career is going to resemble that of Daniela. They are so different in every respect.

Actually in 1997 Amanda reached a career high of world number 3. She finished 1997 ranked number 4. She actually finished 10 consecutive years in the top 20 between 1992 and 2001, which is quite an impressive achievement.

I do agree Domi would do very very well to match such achievements. Domi is certainly capable of getting into the top 20 and staying there a while. One big difference between Dani and Domi is that Dani is pretty comfortable on any surface although perhaps less on clay whereas Domi is much better on clay than she is on anything else. I agree with Malva, although both Slovakians that is all they have in common and their careers are not going to be similar. Domi could at some point have one or even two or three outstanding Roland Garros's, perhaps reaching the quarters or even the semis. Although Domi has shown she can play pretty well on hard and even indoors I am less confident about her reaching the heights on these surfaces although she won't be a pushover either. And grass, well in time she might add more to her game to enable her to compete on that surface too but she has quite a ways to go there.

I don't think Domi will match Dani's career although she will no doubt finish with better clay results than Dani. That said Domi is a lovely girl and a spirited player and an asset to the game for sure.

As for Dani, she has perhaps been a bit of an underachiever considering her talent. She certainly could have had a little bit more slam success although in her defence she has gotten just about the crappiest draws of any player in Slams over the last decade. She could also have won 2 or 3 more titles. That said it has been a pretty solid career so far with roughly 100 weeks in the top 10 and many more in the top 20, two Indian Wells whales and a Slam semi.

This year has been badly dented by Dani's heel injury which is huge shame especially as it came at a point when it looked like Dani was ready to play the best tennis of her career, but providing Dani is able to overcome that injury the next couple of years should bring more success.

Andrew Laeddis
Jul 11th, 2008, 08:41 PM
Both suck ass.

agreed

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 11th, 2008, 08:49 PM
Daniela is a good player, but her career highest rank is/was a fluke

Malva
Jul 11th, 2008, 08:52 PM
Actually in 1997 Amanda reached a career high of world number 3.

Thank you Chris for the correction. I usually check the facts I quote, so I went to Wikipedia to check her ranking and was very surprised to see that information (about #15) because I thought I remembered her reaching #3.

As it happens, I looked in the wrong column: the doubles ranking. I am going back to correct my post.

Thanks for catching the error.

Asif_Nawaz
Jul 11th, 2008, 08:54 PM
Its funny because both Dani and Domi reached similar career highs in Juniors.Dani=5?? and Domi=4

Danči Dementia
Jul 11th, 2008, 09:02 PM
About Domi I don´t really know...I haven´t seen much of her so I can´t really tell.....

Now Dani.......Dani has a great game....she is such a clean hitter, her serve is great, her movement is not that great but its ok for being a tall girl IMO......seeing her in the semis of AO gave me hopes to see her improving more and more but then she gets injured:sad:......
And I believe that if it wasn´t for those problems she had back in 2003 that broke her down a little or too much.....she would have taken one of the slams won by the Russiansin 2004.......
I don´t think she is s fluke.....its not over yet...she has years to come so :shrug:

Lunaris
Jul 11th, 2008, 09:09 PM
Problem with Cibulkova is that given her style of play she stresses her body too much which leads to many nagging injuries she has had, a fact some of you probably aren't even aware of. Add that she plays too many needless 3-setters, which contributes to that. There is almost no tournament where she doesn't say that she pulled a muscle, was cramping, felt a pain etc. Luckily for her she is still young and her body regenerates at a very high rate, but it could be an issue for her once she gets older.

As for Hantuchova, well she has all the talent in the world, but she's not athletic and doesn't move well. Her defensive part of play is virtually non-existent and against tall big hitters she becomes vulnerable. Movement was always her biggest limitation despite notable improvement over the last two years.

Malva
Jul 11th, 2008, 09:15 PM
Problem with Cibulkova is that given her style of play she stresses her body too much which leads to many nagging injuries she has had, a fact some of you probably aren't even aware of.


I, for one, wasn't aware of that. This indeed may become a serious check on her aspirations.

Natash.
Jul 11th, 2008, 09:23 PM
Cibulková's fighting spirit, and her bodily parameters make comparisons with Coetzer somehow inevitable. And Amanda was very successful. I watched her in January 2002 in Australia. She seemed to be quite liked down under, no doubt due to her two Semi-Finals at AO.

Amanda had a very illustrious career: 9 titles (including Tier I), 3 grand slam semis, 3 Quarters. She beat several top players (how many remember today that she ended 32-match winning streak of World #1 Stefi Graf?) and reached career high #3.

Dominika would do well to equal such achievements.



Daniela, of course, cannot be considered a fluke. I wish the thread originator found a more fortunate expression.

I do not think however that Dominika's career is going to resemble that of Daniela. They are so different in every respect.

Oh definitely. :lol: Most players would. :)

Lunaris
Jul 11th, 2008, 09:33 PM
I, for one, wasn't aware of that. This indeed may become a serious check on her aspirations.
Last time she was forced to pull out from 1st round doubles match at Wimbledon due to sacralgia.

Sorana_Cirstea
Jul 11th, 2008, 10:31 PM
All this news about Domi's injuries surprise me, for one. I never even knew that she had it that rough. It is possibly from throwing her body into every point, and scrapping for everything that she gets. It's almost like the Dementieva serve in a sense, seeing as how she doesn't necessarily mean to do those things, but it's just a nagging, and die-hard habit. It really could look to cause problems for her when she grows older, and I hope that before she get's too much older she will learn to control the whole "all or nothing, body or bust" mentality.

With that said, I would also like to look towards the severe neck movement by Alisa Kleybanova. The way she slams her neck to the left and right when she hits the ball, is not only unsettling to watch, it is very dangerous. I am only a teenager, but at my high school I am studying to become a nurse, and one of the things I have noticed is the amount of wear and tear that the neck can take. It can stand up to quick a bit, as expected, BUT. . . With the way Kleybanova moves her neck, she could be out of the tour very soon, and even paralyzed from the neck down if she doesn't get that fixed.

Malva
Jul 11th, 2008, 11:06 PM
Last time she was forced to pull out from 1st round doubles match at Wimbledon due to sacralgia.

I recall that. I wasn't aware however of her increased vulnerability to injuries.

iPatty
Jul 12th, 2008, 12:12 AM
All this news about Domi's injuries surprise me, for one. I never even knew that she had it that rough. It is possibly from throwing her body into every point, and scrapping for everything that she gets. It's almost like the Dementieva serve in a sense, seeing as how she doesn't necessarily mean to do those things, but it's just a nagging, and die-hard habit. It really could look to cause problems for her when she grows older, and I hope that before she get's too much older she will learn to control the whole "all or nothing, body or bust" mentality.

With that said, I would also like to look towards the severe neck movement by Alisa Kleybanova. The way she slams her neck to the left and right when she hits the ball, is not only unsettling to watch, it is very dangerous. I am only a teenager, but at my high school I am studying to become a nurse, and one of the things I have noticed is the amount of wear and tear that the neck can take. It can stand up to quick a bit, as expected, BUT. . . With the way Kleybanova moves her neck, she could be out of the tour very soon, and even paralyzed from the neck down if she doesn't get that fixed.

If Schnyder hasn't once had a problem with her wrists after more than a decade of endless whippy forehands, I don't think Alisa will have too much of a problem. It really isn't as bad as it seems, her head movement is unorthodox, sure, but I don't think it is a career-threatening problem.

Asif_Nawaz
Jul 12th, 2008, 12:20 AM
she plays too many needless 3-setters

Shes like the next Jankovic!!:lol:

Sorana_Cirstea
Jul 12th, 2008, 01:47 PM
Well, that is true. Like I said, I'm only a nurse in training. So maybe I am not correct in what I said. I just find it a bit appauling when she hits the ball. I can barely watch most times, when she has a televised match. But she does have a lot of talent, and if her neck movements don't hamper that, then there is no reason that I should.

Richie's
Jul 12th, 2008, 05:05 PM
Daniela is a big star worldwide!!! A little respect to a Top 10 and former Top 5 player...N'one can talk about her and call her name like some Americans... who claim some African players for their own... What to say... USA must be very happy because there are black people... They are so ratsists... Shame to them...

Sorana_Cirstea
Jul 12th, 2008, 05:22 PM
While I do agree that Daniela deserves respect, I do not agree with your bashing of the American people; grow up. This is my topic, and I would really, really appreciate it if you would try not to come in here and start a war of words. Some things, as the saying goes, "Are better left unsaid". And that comment about the American people as a whole. . . Would have definitely been better left unsaid.

AndreConrad
Jul 12th, 2008, 06:50 PM
I am not sure I have much to add to what my esteemed colleagues posters have said. Just couple of comments.

Both of them can achieve the top because they know the game, have the skills, etc. I really don’t like to put limits on anyone. I think Daniela moves just fine, she is relatively tall so perhaps she is not as naturally agile as some other players. I believe thought that she has to refresh her “love affair” with tennis, I am not sure if some others have noticed but in my opinion there was too much routine in her games lately. There is no way she is going to surprise anybody like that, nor progress any further. Perhaps someone can help her find some new excitement in the game.

I heard a lot of comments about Dominika, that she doesn’t have as much talent as others. If you apply talent only to how one picks a racket and becomes natural with very little training than I can’t have an opinion, but I have seen some unbelievable shots that she pulled. Her fighting spirit is hard to match as well. The injuries are a problem. Whoever designed her game and supporting training did not consider Dominika in this design. The training is putting too much bulk on this little girl that I don’t know if her body can sustain. For her sake (not only her career) I hope it can, otherwise it can prove harmful to her health.

I wish them all the best and I hope the both reach the stars :).

Serenidad.
Jul 12th, 2008, 07:30 PM
Hantuchova is a perennial tool, underachiever, mental midget, etc.

Cibulkova will excel on clay, continue to lose early in grass events, and have mixed hard/indoor results.

Lunaris
Jul 12th, 2008, 07:51 PM
I believe thought that she has to refresh her “love affair” with tennis, I am not sure if some others have noticed but in my opinion there was too much routine in her games lately. There is no way she is going to surprise anybody like that, nor progress any further. Perhaps someone can help her find some new excitement in the game.
Can you please explain? What makes you think that?

AndreConrad
Jul 13th, 2008, 03:56 PM
Can you please explain? What makes you think that?

Sorry it took me a while to respond, had to attend a friends gathering so I was away from a computer for a while... in any event I am not sure if I can explain it any better than in my previous post. I was just getting an impression while watching Daniela's matches that although she is making decent shots the process that she was going through was quite repetitive or perhaps better word for it is routine. I would rather see her head working and thinking what should I do next? How will I surprise my opponent? I believe I saw creativity in her game last year, but not in 2008. Even Indian Wells seemed played a "routine" way. I still don't know if that is only me who sees that or others can confirm that they see it, too. On the other hand as I stated in my other post I hope she will get her inspiration back soon (if I am right obviously). I am a big fan of hers :)