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Serenidad.
Jul 11th, 2008, 12:50 PM
From here until after the US Open, Anna Chakvetadze has 1065 points to defend. That's not including other players who may or may not have a huge hardcourt summer and exacerbate her fall down the rankings.

Sadly, I don't think she'll leave top 20. She needs a bad indoor circuit and a failure to qualify for YEC for that to happen. The latter being more likely.

frenchie
Jul 11th, 2008, 12:55 PM
Just to let you know : Anna is 11 at the race to the YEC which means she is having the 11th best season

She may not defend her points during the summer but she doesn't have a lot to defend in the fall
Actually I can see her finishing the year at 10 or 9

Not bad at all for a "boring" and "worst top 10" player!!!

jonny84
Jul 11th, 2008, 01:01 PM
It's a shame that Anna's career has kind of stalled. She is this year's Petrova - someone who reached their highest ranking and won multiple titles the year before and faltered the next year. And whatsmore - they both won Paris as their last title and have struggled ever since.

Cp6uja
Jul 11th, 2008, 01:01 PM
Better chances for Anna Chakvetadze is to stay in TOP TWELVE than leave TOP TWENTY at end of this year because:

1) USO Hardcourts and Europian indoors is traditionaly her best surfaces and parts of season.
2) Now is already more than half year after that december shocked and stressed Moscow robbery which ruin her mantal toughness, very important part of her game in past.

IMO

Just to let you know : Anna is 11 at the race to the YEC which means she is having the 11th best seasonShe is #11 with 955pts, just 10pts more than #12 - and #10 have 1523pts... so she dont have actualy serious chances to stay in TOP10... but i predict her TOP12.

goldenlox
Jul 11th, 2008, 01:01 PM
That's right, she's #11 in the race and that's with everyone saying she's doing terrible.

Shvedbarilescu
Jul 11th, 2008, 01:02 PM
I think I am going to take a position in between Serenidad and frenchie. Yes Chakvetadze is 11th in the YEC race. But the gap between 10 and 11 is huge, well over 500 points. In other words I do see her dropping out of the top 10 and probably by the end of the US Open. But I certainly do not see her falling out of the top 15 and I wouldn't be surprised at all if she has a reasonably good hard court season and indoor season and finishes the year ranked at number 11, which is not at all bad.

-Sonic-
Jul 11th, 2008, 01:03 PM
Looking at the race as it currently is, there is a huge gap between No. 10 Zvonareva (1523) and No 11. Chakvetadze (955).

I think it will be an enormous effort for anyone not in this top 10 to make the YEC. Not impossible of course, but a massive change in form.

Bit harsh saying "sadly" won't fall out of the top 20... she's playing top 15 tennis this year.

She had her first stellar year last year... everyone has a sophomore slump. Who knows what'll happen in 2009.

In The Zone
Jul 11th, 2008, 01:52 PM
This is the same as everyone saying Marion was going to plummet after Wimbledon.

Pay attention to the rankings and learn how they work. Even if Anna has an average summer, she isn't leaving the top 15 any time soon. She isn't having a Grand Slam contender season but she isn't having a bad season. She is having a top 15 season.

Just a little note. She made it further than Ivanovic and Sharapova at Wimbledon.

Malva
Jul 11th, 2008, 02:10 PM
I agree with those of my predecessors who hold a more balanced view: Anna is staying in the Top 15 with a distinct chance of landing at #11 by the year's end. Despite all her ups-and-downs, she has been playing at the level of Top 15 this season.

John.
Jul 11th, 2008, 02:38 PM
It's funny you bring this up - I just happen to be watching her USO SF from last year. That has got be one of the worst matches EVER :tape:

That said, I think Anna will be in the Top 20 - Top 15 for the next few years

sammy01
Jul 11th, 2008, 03:37 PM
well if you deduct everyones points from now untill after the us open anna would be #12, which is amazing considering the amount of people that have said how crap she is this year.
also chakvetadze is amazingly good on hard courts especialy the american/canada summer swing, she began her carrer beating myskina at the us open reaching 3rd in '04 made her 1st tier 1 semi at toronto in '06, won the 2 hardcourt titles last year, beat venus on her way to san diego semi and has had her best result (semi) at a slam at the us open as well as a 4th round and a couple of 3rds.
decent showings on the summer hardcourt swing i think will leave her at 10 in the world, then its upto her indoor season as to wether she stays top 10 or not, but she had a very bad indoor season last year apart from the YEC.
im saying anna will finish the year at #10, theres no one behind her in the ranking thats going to hit great form, i think the top 10 will be the same 10 players for the rest of the season.
at worst she will be #11 or #12 by the end of the year, not bad for her slump year, cant wait for '09 when she picks it up again!

RenaSlam.
Jul 11th, 2008, 03:42 PM
:wavey: Anna.

Vincey!
Jul 11th, 2008, 03:43 PM
Anna is not THAT bad this year :lol:...She's just not having constant results. She's crap comparing to her top 5 season of last summer but she's still at good top 15. I feel that things will begin to change for her this summer, she's going to play better and win some important matches!!! :D:rocker2:

Wojtek
Jul 11th, 2008, 03:43 PM
finally

Malva
Jul 11th, 2008, 03:53 PM
Just a little note. She made it further than Ivanovic and Sharapova at Wimbledon.

And what does that imply about Anna? A short answer: nothing. 15 other players did likewise.

Sam L
Jul 11th, 2008, 03:56 PM
Finally, the worst top ten player will no longer be top ten. She's so boring. Good riddance!

sammy01
Jul 11th, 2008, 04:15 PM
Finally, the worst top ten player will no longer be top ten. She's so boring. Good riddance!

have you ever seen her play, shes over emotional, prone to exploding, on the edge, argumentive if in a bad mood, delightful in a good mood and her tennis is no different from any other top 10 player apart from she dosen't go all out on most shots, boring she aint.
i can totaly understand people who dislike annas attitude on court but to say she is boring is something i just cant see, judging from the either love or hate response she gets i'd say that means she has a big personality which is like marmite, you love it or hate it, her on court tennis can be beautiful to watch and a train wreck the next min again not what i'd call boring!

serenus_2k8
Jul 11th, 2008, 04:37 PM
I think people find her boring because she isnt a consistant threat to take titles and beat the big players, however I quite like watching her.

sammy01
Jul 11th, 2008, 04:43 PM
I think people find her boring because she isnt a consistant threat to take titles and beat the big players, however I quite like watching her.

but then everyone bar the top 7 are boring because just about every big title goes to those 7!

in my eyes a on the edge chaky is more intresting to watch than a lot of other players, i mean twice at wimbledon in 2 different matches by 2 different commentators they said you certainly get your monies worth with chakvetadze. i may be blind and biased but looking at none slam champions excluding jj and lena d as shes ben around forever anna, safina and aga are the biggest threats to beating them!

hankqq
Jul 11th, 2008, 04:52 PM
I don't think she'll fall out of the top 13-15. This may come as a surprise to some, but I think the US hardcourt swing might save her year. Will she win titles? Maybe the smaller ones BUT she also has a good chance to do well at the bigger events because a lot of players are focusing on the Olympics. Each US event leading up to the USO will have less top players in it than usual, and since Chakvetadze isn't playing Olympics, this can only help her.

Additionally, if a lot of the top players go deep at the Olympics (QF and better), they'll most likely be tired when they come back to the US for the USO. Chakvetadze will be in the US the whole summer, so she'll get acclimated to the US courts AND she won't be tired. This is a great opportunity for her to reach the QF at the USO.

For example, back in 2004, the 4 players who did the best at the Olympics (Henin, Mauresmo, Molik and Myskina), didn't do so well at the USO. Only Mauresmo made the QF. The same thing happened with the men-medalists Massu, Gonzalez and Fish lost in the early rounds.

Now, of course, if there are some or multiple top players who don't do well at the Olympics, Anna's chances at the USO won't look so good, but I don't think she'll do that badly this summer. I wouldn't be surprised if she scored some good results.

Pink Princess
Jul 11th, 2008, 04:53 PM
It's funny you bring this up - I just happen to be watching her USO SF from last year. That has got be one of the worst matches EVER :tape:

That said, I think Anna will be in the Top 20 - Top 15 for the next few years

There are many people with a low IQ, who lack arguments and always say the same things, you are an example. All players have bad days. I can remember that was a windy day and the wind was a nuisance for the players.

Since the beginning of the year i've been reading about how Anna may get out of the Top-10, but it's never happened and it will never happen, under my point of view.

sammy01
Jul 11th, 2008, 05:02 PM
There are many people with a low IQ, who lack arguments and always say the same things, you are an example. All players have bad days. I can remember that was a windy day and the wind was a nuisance for the players.

Since the beginning of the year i've been reading about how Anna may get out of the Top-10, but it's never happened and it will never happen, under my point of view.

pink princess i love you your so positive, people forget when bashing chakvetadze that she is an idol to some people and their comments can hurt. i hope anna stays top 10 all year but even if she falls to #11 or #12 its not so bad, this is her sophmore year im sure chak will be back bigger and stronger next year!

AcesHigh
Jul 11th, 2008, 05:14 PM
Well, I think she's lost in the first round 6 times this year. Lost to her second opponent 4 times and if it weren't for Paris, Rome and Wimbledon, she'd be in bigger trouble. She's already play more tournaments this year than anyone in the top 15 outside of Aga Radwanska

That being said, I hope she plays better because I prefer to see good tennis and better competition.

Shepster
Jul 11th, 2008, 05:47 PM
It's funny you bring this up - I just happen to be watching her USO SF from last year. That has got be one of the worst matches EVER :tape:
The people who watched Sveta/Tati in the QF in Canada last year will tell you it wasn't even the worst match in the 2007 US Open Series.

Dawson.
Jul 11th, 2008, 05:51 PM
I see her being #10 up until the YEC, then will probably drop to about 11 or 12.

i still cant belive she is going to be ranked so high though! not many results stand out this year except the paris title and rome semi.

Malva
Jul 11th, 2008, 06:06 PM
people forget when bashing chakvetadze that she is an idol to some people and their comments can hurt.

I am afraid they do not forget, they do that on purpose. For some, this may be their mode of existence, insensitive and lacking culture as they are. Most of the people calling Chakvetadze's game boring probably belong to that category.

LudwigDvorak
Jul 11th, 2008, 06:11 PM
I see her being #10 up until the YEC, then will probably drop to about 11 or 12.

i still cant belive she is going to be ranked so high though! not many results stand out this year except the paris title and rome semi.

Because while Anna sucks, she doesn't suck enough to lose to EVERYONE she plays. With the byes she gets, making quarterfinals or semifinals isn't out of the question. And she has gotten the easiest draws at every single grand slam so far. She probably would have three slam semifinals this year if she were playing to the level she had last year. :unsure:

I can't wait until she's out of the top ten. Then people will stop ragging on her so much (aside from me, of course bwahahhaha) and then the process will start all over again when she's top five again in 2009, woohoo.

Dodoboy.
Jul 11th, 2008, 06:28 PM
She had her best period of the season this time last year?

Who is to say she doesnt do it again?

I for one couldn't care less as long as she stays away from WS in rankings and tournaments if she REALLY wants to win :lol:

Cp6uja
Jul 11th, 2008, 07:02 PM
I see her being #10 up until the YEC, then will probably drop to about 11 or 12.

i still cant belive she is going to be ranked so high though! not many results stand out this year except the paris title and rome semi.She is #8 right now, but her TOP10 status will be under attack already at USO. Even Zvonareva which currently have about 500 pts less than Anna have very good chance to overtake her b/c Chaky defending about 1000 and Vera about 100 pts at USO hardcourts tournaments from last year.And she has gotten the easiest draws at every single grand slam so far.This is true and this is illusion in same time! I tell you this first (already before USO/08 draw) - Anna Chakvetadze will be for sure in easiest quarter at US Open 2008 also! Because in-slump Anna is by far weakest #5-#8 seed option in comparation with Serena, Venus and Elena, and out of TOP8 no more some big superstars... so quarter with in-slump Chaky will be called at USO like weakest and easiest again with reason (no mater whoever from TOP4 seeds will be with her in that quarter)...

Expat
Jul 11th, 2008, 07:10 PM
She is #8 right now, but her TOP10 status will be under attack already at USO. Even Zvonareva which currently have about 500 pts less than Anna have very good chance to overtake her b/c Chaky defending about 1000 and Vera about 100 pts at USO hardcourts tournaments from last year.This is true and this is illusion in same time! I tell you this first (already before USO/08 draw) - Anna Chakvetadze will be for sure in easiest quarter at US Open 2008 also! Because in-slump Anna is by far weakest #5-#8 seed option in comparation with Serena, Venus and Elena, and out of TOP8 no more some big superstars... so quarter with in-slump Chaky will be called at USO like weakest and easiest again with reason (no mater whoever from TOP4 seeds will be with her in that quarter)...
she is highly unlikely to be a top 8 seed at uso
she has so many points to defend

kris719
Jul 11th, 2008, 07:33 PM
I lol at those saying "except for Paris, and Rome, and Wimbledon, Anna has had a crap year." Well the same could be said for a lot of players. "Except for this, and this, and that, so-and-so would be out of the top 20." blah-blah-blah :rolleyes:

Malva
Jul 11th, 2008, 07:34 PM
This is true and this is illusion in same time! I tell you this first (already before USO/08 draw) - Anna Chakvetadze will be for sure in easiest quarter at US Open 2008 also! Because in-slump Anna is by far weakest #5-#8 seed option in comparation with Serena, Venus and Elena, and out of TOP8 no more some big superstars... so quarter with in-slump Chaky will be called at USO like weakest and easiest again with reason (no mater whoever from TOP4 seeds will be with her in that quarter)...

Very astute observations. But now she can get Radwańska in her quarter as well. If this is the case, I wonder what could be their next match like? The two previous encounters were close, but Anna triumphed in both.

I lol at those saying "except for Paris, and Rome, and Wimbledon, Anna has had a crap year." Well the same could be said for a lot of players. "Except for this, and this, and that, so-and-so would be out of the top 20." blah-blah-blah :rolleyes:

Too fast... Anna indeed suffered a long sequence of disappointing results this season. Taking into account that she was a Top 10 player, such criticisms in her case were legitimate.

Serenidad.
Jul 19th, 2008, 04:13 PM
The first blow has been struck.

:)

-VSR-
Jul 19th, 2008, 04:37 PM
Who?

:lol:

Just kidding. ;)

Optima
Jul 19th, 2008, 04:43 PM
Disgusting thread :rolleyes: Anna doesn't have many fans, and I can just imagine the reaction of Williams, Sharapova or Ivanovic fans if a similar one was made about them.

sammy01
Jul 19th, 2008, 05:56 PM
Disgusting thread :rolleyes: Anna doesn't have many fans, and I can just imagine the reaction of Williams, Sharapova or Ivanovic fans if a similar one was made about them.

agreed there would be uproar, if any of the mentioned players had a thread dedicated to plotting their downfall, but then again this board is full of f**king hypocrites!

saint2
Jul 19th, 2008, 07:34 PM
Just to let you know : Anna is 11 at the race to the YEC which means she is having the 11th best season




12, not 11. And will be lower with that form... Now its safe to say she don't have any chance to finish this year in top10. Sad, I really was hoping that Anna will stay in top longer...

Infiniti2001
Jul 19th, 2008, 07:39 PM
agreed there would be uproar, if any of the mentioned players had a thread dedicated to plotting their downfall, but then again this board is full of f**king hypocrites!

Tacky thread indeed, but Anna is not the first recipient. Do a board search and you will find similar threads about other players in the past :shrug:

LudwigDvorak
Jul 19th, 2008, 07:55 PM
Anna will be #9 or #10 after Los Angeles more than likely. Her Stanford points come off then and I'm not imagining she does better than a QF in L.A.

Then she has 195 pts coming off during Montreal. She probably won't do better than 2R or 3R there. She should be out of the top ten before USO. Then it'll just get worse (or better, depending on who you are) after the USO.

Then she has no more points to lose until YEC.

Malva
Jul 19th, 2008, 07:57 PM
agreed there would be uproar, if any of the mentioned players had a thread dedicated to plotting their downfall, but then again this board is full of f**king hypocrites!

I wouldn't call this hypocrisy. Hypocrisy assumes a certain level. Just ordinary base gloating over somebody's misfortune, characteristic of fanboys...

Serenidad.
Jul 24th, 2008, 11:49 PM
Updated. San Diego SF points coming off next and there is nothing she can do.

slamchamp
Jul 25th, 2008, 12:29 AM
why does the williams fans hate anna so much?:confused:

Malva
Jul 25th, 2008, 12:39 AM
Bit harsh saying "sadly" won't fall out of the top 20... she's playing top 15 tennis this year.


That was nearly two weeks ago.

In the last two weeks, on her supposedly best surface, she is unfortunately not even playing Top 15 tennis anymore.

switz
Jul 25th, 2008, 01:38 AM
this board is full of non achieving little bitches. i don't even particularly like Chakvetadze but i now hope she wins just to piss of all the petty people on here who seem to make it their life's work to get stuck into her.

switz
Jul 25th, 2008, 01:41 AM
Tacky thread indeed, but Anna is not the first recipient. Do a board search and you will find similar threads about other players in the past :shrug:

that is very true. Anna is not being singled out.

RenaSlam.
Jul 25th, 2008, 01:46 AM
:wavey: Anna.

Free Fallin - Tom Petty.

Noctis
Jul 25th, 2008, 01:51 AM
why does the williams fans hate anna so much?:confused:

Cos Chaky Fans Pick Fights With Us and Saying something About Serena/Williams Always 0-0 Look even in a Fun thread
one Chaky Fan Goes' the Gal in your avatar the BodyBuilder...Etc Cba to read the rest'
So why shouldnt we hate Bk:rolleyes: Other Reason is She Played Utterly Shet and she is a Top Ten Players,I am sure once shes out of Top 10 Everyone will go easy on her:rolleyes:

Julian
Jul 25th, 2008, 07:06 AM
a thread dedicated to Anna falling from the rankings..how very sad. keep fighting Anna!

$uricate
Jul 25th, 2008, 12:04 PM
Oh yeah! Rejoice!

I suppose now that the Marion-watch has ended we have to have one of these type threads for someone else now.

Daniela has a heap of points to defend during the indoor season, and shes playing crap - I nominate her next! :rolleyes:

doujyr
Jul 25th, 2008, 12:17 PM
Agnes Szavay another with a lot of points to defend soon and not showing any form.

$uricate
Jul 25th, 2008, 12:20 PM
Agnes Szavay another with a lot of points to defend soon and not showing any form.

Yeah!

We can do both players at the same time! :drool:

Lets up the bitterness! :rocker2:

John.
Jul 25th, 2008, 12:21 PM
There are many people with a low IQ, who lack arguments and always say the same things, you are an example. All players have bad days. I can remember that was a windy day and the wind was a nuisance for the players.


Grow Up :rolleyes:

I am entitled to give MY opinion on a match - Nowhere did I attack Anna.

Serenidad.
Aug 3rd, 2008, 08:56 PM
When San Diego SF points come off, she is out of the top 10.

FINALLY.

Dawson.
Aug 3rd, 2008, 09:11 PM
^^ im affraid not. san diego points come off this week and shes still top 10 :( looks like we will have to wait until after the USO unless zvonevera or bartoli have a good few weeks and overtake jokevetadze

frenchie
Aug 3rd, 2008, 09:13 PM
She's still top 10!!:drool:

Just look at the wta rankings and at the Race!:rolleyes:

All her summer hard court points from 2007 are off so she only has her 450 points from the USO 2007 SF to defend.
And she also added New Haven to her schedule where she will be top seed with a very week field!

After that, she only has her YEC SF points to defend from last year and she's playing a full schedule including asian events and indoors european events. She will gains points there


She's now 11th at the race for god sake:rolleyes::help:

She won't fall (except if 7 to 11 is a fall for you):o That's not hard to understand:help:

And next year, she'll make even more noise

AnnaK_4ever
Aug 3rd, 2008, 10:43 PM
And next year, she'll make even more noise

By bombing out of Top-20?

Expat
Aug 3rd, 2008, 10:48 PM
this mediocre player can still be in top 10

just play 30 tournaments tank 20 of them and play good in 5 where the draw is open and play average in another 5 where the draw is ok

danieln1
Aug 3rd, 2008, 11:18 PM
When San Diego SF points come off, she is out of the top 10.

FINALLY.

:lol:

Clumsythief
Aug 4th, 2008, 03:49 AM
I like Anna Chakvetadze and she is HOT!

Joee
Aug 4th, 2008, 03:51 AM
she has had a terrible year in my opinion :(
Well she won paris like...but not having a great match stat score at the moment :(

RenaSlam.
Aug 4th, 2008, 03:52 AM
:wavey: Anna

delicatecutter
Aug 4th, 2008, 04:16 AM
Anna rocks.

I don't know well I'd function either after if I'd been tied-up and robbed. :rolleyes:

And besides, the ranking system is just crazy. Sometimes it seems so arbitrary and makes no sense relative to how the players are playing at the moment. Szavay had her career high ranking after weeks and weeks of bad results. Jankovic is about to become #1 in the world and she isn't nearly as good of a player as she was a year ago. Safina is probably the hottest player on the Tour and is only #7 in the rankings.

This system needs a huge overhaul quick, fast, and in a hurry.

Ciarán
Aug 4th, 2008, 05:05 AM
I don't care what anyone says, Anna's a great player. Would you be a little distracted if you got tied up and robbed, watched your father beaten, being doubted all the time, feeling inferior to other top 10 players and constantly feeling you have to prove yourself? This thread is pathetic. 2009 is Anna's year and I think she'll finish the year at No.9

Ciarán
Aug 4th, 2008, 05:07 AM
I couldnt agree more!

Cakeisgood
Aug 4th, 2008, 05:34 AM
She better pray for another miracle at USO. Or else she is DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED

TantrumXspeed
Aug 4th, 2008, 05:58 AM
I don't care what anyone says, Anna's a great player. Would you be a little distracted if you got tied up and robbed, watched your father beaten, being doubted all the time, feeling inferior to other top 10 players and constantly feeling you have to prove yourself? This thread is pathetic. 2009 is Anna's year and I think she'll finish the year at No.9

FOR REAL!! I couldn't agree more. Sadly I think that robbery will have an effect on her tennis for awhile. That feeling of total helplessness probably has taken away most of the mental toughness she displayed during 2007 breakthrough year. In fact, comparing her 2008 tennis form to 2007 is not even fair in my opinion. :help: She's probably not even the same person.

To all her critics:
Tell me how the heck YOUR butt feels after having to stare down a gun barrel, not knowing if you or your family would be DEAD the next moment---THEN come back and we'll criticize your Tennis game and say how much you suck HUH??! Gee then I wonder WHY DEAR WHY would your game suck?? :lol: PATHETIC :lol:

To the OP, what a sad and pathetic, petty little being you are. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

thegreendestiny
Aug 4th, 2008, 06:12 AM
who cares about the rankings. Jelena is no. 1 soon. :tape:

sammy01
Aug 4th, 2008, 08:26 AM
some people have no idea, there like yeah she was robbed so what? its was so much more than being robbed she thought she was going to and very easily could of been killed. her dad was beaten infront of her, her hands were tied so tight behind her back she lost all feeling in them for days. this experience could put anyone back years, even the strongest people.

i find it so annoying when williams fans constantly sight their sisters death as a major reason for loss of form, yet cant understand how chakvetadze seeing her dad beaten and fearing for her life should just be a cakewalk to get over.

chakvetadze has lost a huge amount of confidence this year its plain to see and if you need proof her loss to bartoli last week says it all. its a total credit to her that shes still top 10, not that some of the dumb posters on this board could see it like that.

i know anna will find her confidence again and even in a year where chakvetadze has struggled with herself and coming to terms with issues, shes still #12 in the race. people should be inspired that chakvetadze has carried on with her tennis and got as many wins as she has this year with zero confidence, i mean look at vaidisova, her confidence is wrecked and is having a much worse year and has no reason to be an emotional and mental state.

anyway, i will continue to give chakvetadze my suport and hope that when the US open is over she will feel a huge weight lifted, as im sure the extra pressure of being one of the top 2 form players of this time last year is making things even tougher.

good luck anna, lets pick up some points in new haven, hey better still lets take the title.

$uricate
Aug 4th, 2008, 09:53 AM
Oh no, Anna is still top 10 :sobbing:

I wish she would hurry up and vacate and make these losers day.

smokovec
Aug 4th, 2008, 10:02 AM
^^ im affraid not. san diego points come off this week and shes still top 10 :( looks like we will have to wait until after the USO unless zvonevera or bartoli have a good few weeks and overtake jokevetadze

Unfortunately you remain in the Top 10 of most stupid posters for long time. :sad:

korben
Aug 5th, 2008, 08:56 AM
Now I´m realizing why I haven´t been ultra interested of tennis lately.

But she´ll bounce back. Soon. I hope :scared: :)

BuTtErFrEnA
Aug 5th, 2008, 01:19 PM
some people have no idea, there like yeah she was robbed so what? its was so much more than being robbed she thought she was going to and very easily could of been killed. her dad was beaten infront of her, her hands were tied so tight behind her back she lost all feeling in them for days. this experience could put anyone back years, even the strongest people.

i find it so annoying when williams fans constantly sight their sisters death as a major reason for loss of form, yet cant understand how chakvetadze seeing her dad beaten and fearing for her life should just be a cakewalk to get over.

chakvetadze has lost a huge amount of confidence this year its plain to see and if you need proof her loss to bartoli last week says it all. its a total credit to her that shes still top 10, not that some of the dumb posters on this board could see it like that.

i know anna will find her confidence again and even in a year where chakvetadze has struggled with herself and coming to terms with issues, shes still #12 in the race. people should be inspired that chakvetadze has carried on with her tennis and got as many wins as she has this year with zero confidence, i mean look at vaidisova, her confidence is wrecked and is having a much worse year and has no reason to be an emotional and mental state.

anyway, i will continue to give chakvetadze my suport and hope that when the US open is over she will feel a huge weight lifted, as im sure the extra pressure of being one of the top 2 form players of this time last year is making things even tougher.

good luck anna, lets pick up some points in new haven, hey better still lets take the title.

maybe if you would stop classing everyone who likes a sister as a WS fan then you would get your answer :rolleyes: the thread starter is a known hater of most of the tour except serena...his/her opinion does not = the opinion of every fan of serena and/or venus :rolleyes:

sammy01
Aug 5th, 2008, 01:52 PM
maybe if you would stop classing everyone who likes a sister as a WS fan then you would get your answer :rolleyes: the thread starter is a known hater of most of the tour except serena...his/her opinion does not = the opinion of every fan of serena and/or venus :rolleyes:

maybe if you counted up the biggest chakvetadze haters you would see most of them are a fan of at least 1 of the williams's. it has been noted by many people on the board that fans of the/a williams sister are very anti chakvetadze.
so dont roll your eyes, i cant account for every poster but i can see trends and a majority.

$uricate
Aug 5th, 2008, 02:38 PM
maybe if you would stop classing everyone who likes a sister as a WS fan then you would get your answer :rolleyes: the thread starter is a known hater of most of the tour except serena...his/her opinion does not = the opinion of every fan of serena and/or venus :rolleyes:

This is such a goos point. Its something that really annoys me, when posters lump all the fans of a perticular player together. Yes some WS fans are annoying but the vast majority are fine. Just like every other fanbase also has its dodgy members (bar Daniela, she doesn't have any :angel:)

frenchie
Aug 5th, 2008, 02:42 PM
I love both the Williams sisters AND AnnaC

sammy01
Aug 5th, 2008, 03:13 PM
I love both the Williams sisters AND AnnaC

but your special, so it dosen't count! :kiss:

LudwigDvorak
Aug 5th, 2008, 05:28 PM
I must say it again. Nothing against Anna this time, but the fact she's #12 in the race just speaks how badly everyone else is performing. She has absolutely zero great results going for her and only two or three good ones. I mean, I'm sorry, I know I don't get blinded like this with players I like, and that's all on me, but I can't get over those "runs" she had in Rome or Wimbledon. :o

That, and the fact she's STILL top ten somehow, doesn't say a lot on her either. It's great she's still top ten, and I'm almost 100% sure she will be one, two, three weeks after the US Open (she probably won't need to defend much at USO to stay top ten TBH :shrug: ), but absolutely no one is making a push. No one whatsoever. There are the top eight, nine players and that's it.

That's the only thing sammy/Anna fans are irritating me with, how high she still is in the race/rank. Everyone else is underperforming like crazy in her immediate rank and it's practically a godsend she's still ranked so high.

I don't mind she's top ten anymore though. She's just...................................say it............tootalentedlfjasd;lfkj;adslkf to not be top ten. :sobbing:

sammy01
Aug 5th, 2008, 05:44 PM
I must say it again. Nothing against Anna this time, but the fact she's #12 in the race just speaks how badly everyone else is performing. She has absolutely zero great results going for her and only two or three good ones. I mean, I'm sorry, I know I don't get blinded like this with players I like, and that's all on me, but I can't get over those "runs" she had in Rome or Wimbledon. :o

That, and the fact she's STILL top ten somehow, doesn't say a lot on her either. It's great she's still top ten, and I'm almost 100% sure she will be one, two, three weeks after the US Open (she probably won't need to defend much at USO to stay top ten TBH :shrug: ), but absolutely no one is making a push. No one whatsoever. There are the top eight, nine players and that's it.

That's the only thing sammy/Anna fans are irritating me with, how high she still is in the race/rank. Everyone else is underperforming like crazy in her immediate rank and it's practically a godsend she's still ranked so high.

I don't mind she's top ten anymore though. She's just...................................say it............tootalentedlfjasd;lfkj;adslkf to not be top ten. :sobbing:

for people that (myself included) think shes held onto her top 10 rank because other players behind her cant get it together, realy need to moan about those players not at chaky. though her season isn't as bad as some make out (shes won at least 1 match at her last 7 tournaments).

vera could have passed chaky at wimbledon and every tournament since then, but she has sucked since. then who else is there? patty is past it, dani is coming back from injury, marion is just not good enough in the big events, vika is talented but dosen't seem to have it mentaly against the top players yet.

i think anna will drop to #12 after the us open (unless she wins new haven and makes 4th/round qtrs at the open)

but then will work her way back up to #8 and will drop back to #10 when she fails to qualify for YEC and loses her points from there.

LudwigDvorak
Aug 5th, 2008, 05:48 PM
You don't think she'll qualify for YEC?

Jankovic, Ivanovic, Kuznetsova, Dementieva, Safina, Radwanska--Venus will almost surely not play, and it wouldn't surprise me if Serena didn't either. That leaves one or two spots. Why not Anna?

Anyway, I don't think I was blaming Anna in that post for not falling due to the other players failing to do anything. I'm merely stating: she's lucky, very lucky, and it's not something to be presenting like she's done anything to actually stay this high.

Anna should be upset with herself if she doesn't win New Haven. :x

sammy01
Aug 5th, 2008, 06:12 PM
You don't think she'll qualify for YEC?

Jankovic, Ivanovic, Kuznetsova, Dementieva, Safina, Radwanska--Venus will almost surely not play, and it wouldn't surprise me if Serena didn't either. That leaves one or two spots. Why not Anna?

Anyway, I don't think I was blaming Anna in that post for not falling due to the other players failing to do anything. I'm merely stating: she's lucky, very lucky, and it's not something to be presenting like she's done anything to actually stay this high.

Anna should be upset with herself if she doesn't win New Haven. :x

i think anna is upset with herself whatever this year lol. even after paris indoors she just looked relieved.

she has done something to stay this high, because in the last 52 weeks she has earned more points than the girls behind her.

backslapu
Aug 5th, 2008, 06:33 PM
COME ON YOU GUYS. she still feeling the after effects of that "held at gunpoint" robbery fromlast year :lol: (at least that is what commentators say when her match is on tv and she is losing)

sammy01
Aug 5th, 2008, 06:40 PM
COME ON YOU GUYS. she still feeling the after effects of that "held at gunpoint" robbery fromlast year :lol: (at least that is what commentators say when her match is on tv and she is losing)

like i said the death of venus and serenas sister has been said to have effected them and there tennis hugely for a long period of time, which any traumatic experience will, like being robbed at gunpoint.

i dont see why people think she should be over it already, she has clearly lost a huge amount of confidence and i would attribute some of it to the robbery.

smokovec
Aug 5th, 2008, 07:10 PM
I don't have problems to say that Anna is lucky to be still a Top 10 player now, first Henin retires, then the players behind that are not so good to break the Top 10, except 2-3 players.

Anna wins in Paris against other players in slump, then she has only 2 other good Tournaments in terms of results, but not so good in the way she plays; good for Anna that she don't go down too much in the ranking in this bad Year, I hope and think she can regroup and return a solid Top 10 player soon.

At this moment is pretty clear that she don't deserve to be in the Top 10, but I still mantain my confidence in Anna, she is young and has margin for improvement, 2009 has to be better!

tenn_ace
Aug 5th, 2008, 07:10 PM
Finally, the worst top ten player will no longer be top ten. She's so boring. Good riddance!

as a Peer fan you really should keep the boring comment to yourself not to make yourself look like a fool more than you have already done it.

saint2
Aug 5th, 2008, 07:16 PM
as a Peer fan you really should keep the boring comment to yourself not to make yourself look like a fool more than you have already done it.

Sorry, can't remember Peer ever being in top10...

Cat's Pajamas
Aug 5th, 2008, 07:18 PM
Sorry, can't remember Peer ever being in top10...

I believe he was referring to Peer's game being incredibly boring even in comparison to Chakvetadze...which is what it is.

tenn_ace
Aug 5th, 2008, 09:09 PM
I believe he was referring to Peer's game being incredibly boring even in comparison to Chakvetadze...which is what it is.

thank you :worship:

tenn_ace
Aug 5th, 2008, 09:10 PM
COME ON YOU GUYS. she still feeling the after effects of that "held at gunpoint" robbery fromlast year :lol: (at least that is what commentators say when her match is on tv and she is losing)

and what is so :lol: about it? :rolleyes:

frenchie
Aug 5th, 2008, 09:33 PM
but your special, so it dosen't count! :kiss:

Oh thank you:kiss:

LudwigDvorak
Aug 13th, 2008, 07:34 AM
If Zvonareva beats Schiavone, Zvonareva will be eleven points behind Chakvetadze.

So needless to say, if Zvonareva makes the semifinal in Beijing, Chakvetadze will have finally vacated the top ten.

Serenidad.
Aug 13th, 2008, 07:47 AM
Chris, SKYPE. Nowwwww.

sammy01
Aug 13th, 2008, 08:04 AM
If Zvonareva beats Schiavone, Zvonareva will be eleven points behind Chakvetadze.

So needless to say, if Zvonareva makes the semifinal in Beijing, Chakvetadze will have finally vacated the top ten.

yep, vera needs a semi to overtake anna, though it will probably be for 1 week as annas playing new haven next week and is the top seed.

Serenidad.
Aug 13th, 2008, 08:06 AM
yep, vera needs a semi to overtake anna, though it will probably be for 1 week as annas playing new haven next week and is the top seed.

Which means nothing except she'll incur another loss. :rolleyes:

sammy01
Aug 13th, 2008, 08:14 AM
Which means nothing except she'll incur another loss. :rolleyes:

it means winning just 1 match at new haven gives her 70 points which will be more than enough to go back ahead of vera. chakvetadze hasn't lost her 1st match in a tournament since berlin, so go roll your eyes somewhere else idiot! :rolleyes:

Serenidad.
Aug 13th, 2008, 08:17 AM
it means winning just 1 match at new haven gives her 70 points which will be more than enough to go back ahead of vera. chakvetadze hasn't lost her 1st match in a tournament since berlin, so go roll your eyes somewhere else idiot! :rolleyes:

Then Jokevetadze has to defend 450 USOpen SF points. She'll be lucky to get back to the QFs. :rolleyes:

And when she fails to go to YEC this year she is going to get bitchslapped with another point loss to cap off her year.

sammy01
Aug 13th, 2008, 08:21 AM
Then Jokevetadze has to defend 450 USOpen SF points. She'll be lucky to get back to the QFs. :rolleyes:

And when she fails to go to YEC this year she is going to get bitchslapped with another point loss to cap off her year.

and she has 6 tournaments in between them in which to gain points.

your so not worth argueing with lol :wavey:

Uranium
Aug 13th, 2008, 08:25 AM
Come on Vera:bounce:

Serenidad.
Aug 13th, 2008, 08:34 AM
and she has 6 tournaments in between them in which to gain points.

you're so not worth arguing with lol :wavey:

Fixed. Literacy classes, sweetheart.

Chakvetadze won't gain anything from those six tournaments. Chakvetadze is a mess indoors everywhere as proven by her losses at the indoor season posting USO. Anything she makes will be negated by the 335 year end bitchslap she is on course to take.

PLP
Aug 13th, 2008, 08:51 AM
Seeing this thread pop up again reminded me...
2 nights ago I had a random dream that Anna won the USO.
:angel:
It's possible...at some point soon she just has to start finding her rhythm again.
Come on Anna!
:hearts:

PLP
Aug 13th, 2008, 08:54 AM
Fixed. Literacy classes, sweetheart.

Chakvetadze won't gain anything from those six tournaments. Chakvetadze is a mess indoors everywhere as proven by her losses at the indoor season posting USO. Anything she makes will be negated by the 335 year end bitchslap she is on course to take.

Anna has enjoyed great success indoors, winning Paris and Moscow, just off the top of my head...we all know she has been a mess this season, but you can't deny the girl has talent....can You?

muniu
Aug 13th, 2008, 09:31 AM
this threads :bigcry:

$uricate
Aug 13th, 2008, 09:37 AM
Fixed. Literacy classes, sweetheart.

Chakvetadze won't gain anything from those six tournaments. Chakvetadze is a mess indoors everywhere as proven by her losses at the indoor season posting USO. Anything she makes will be negated by the 335 year end bitchslap she is on course to take.

Its so lame when people have to resort to critiquing peoples grammar and spelling :rolleyes:

I think I made a mistake somewhere but I'm sure Serenidad will fix it for me :kiss:


Wooooooooooooooo!!!!!
Anna has 450 points to defend at US Open, then she'll be out the top ten :drool:

ralfreinecke
Aug 13th, 2008, 07:05 PM
http://thumb17.webshots.net/t/60/760/9/49/69/2544949690102140677gjynJG_th.jpg (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2544949690102140677gjynJG)

Some people wrote here: Anna is the most boring top ten player
Anna is a smart player (this year Agnieszka Radwanska has taken this position), she plays tennis with brain. I think it is more difficult in such manner than to play with power. So it is normal, that you have a slump. Anna Chakvetadze played a very good year 2007 with four tournament titles.
Maybe you are able to tell me, how many title Jelena Jankovic (currently the number one)won this year.
First of all Anna is one of the most beautiful player ( take a look at my website www.annachakvetadze.com) on the tour - I don't think, that such fact is boring.
I like smart players like Anna Chakvetadze, Agnieszka Radwanska, Caroline Wozniacki and I also like Camille Pin.
my pics of these players:
http://community.webshots.com/user/pascalre21?action=publicAlbums

Serenidad.
Aug 14th, 2008, 07:23 PM
She's gone. Whoooo.

BYE.

Dawson.
Aug 14th, 2008, 08:25 PM
well its about time, jeeeeeeeezz

Vespertine69
Aug 14th, 2008, 08:48 PM
As a fan, I'm relieved... Anna doesn't deserve the top 10 ranking for now, so it's good that Zvonareva will overtake her at least for now. Perhaps some of the cretinous hate-muppets will lose interest for a while and stop the ridiculous "no talent" "most boring" "worst ever" hyperbole and give the girl a break for having a shit year.

Hmm. I am probably having way too much faith in the dregs of humanity. Woe, etc.

Richie's
Aug 14th, 2008, 08:48 PM
she doesn't deserve ti be a top10 player this year...

Slutati
Aug 14th, 2008, 08:49 PM
Thank god :banana::worship:

sammy01
Aug 14th, 2008, 08:52 PM
As a fan, I'm relieved... Anna doesn't deserve the top 10 ranking for now, so it's good that Zvonareva will overtake her at least for now. Perhaps some of the cretinous hate-muppets will lose interest for a while and stop the ridiculous "no talent" "most boring" "worst ever" hyperbole and give the girl a break for having a shit year.

Hmm. I am probably having way too much faith in the dregs of humanity. Woe, etc.

agreed, though you wont find humanity on here.

Ferg
Aug 14th, 2008, 10:14 PM
What a terrible on court player. "GIVE HIM THE BALLS!!!" Her attitude to the poor ballboys and girls is atrocious. Not to mention her trying to put Cornet off by saying shes doing good for a junior. Then Alize beat her! Yay!

Shoulderpova
Aug 14th, 2008, 10:58 PM
With a decent run in New Heaven she'll reenter the top ten again and kick Radwanska's underserving ass out of top 10 :devil:

Hantu515
Aug 15th, 2008, 02:16 AM
With a decent run in New Heaven she'll reenter the top ten again and kick Radwanska's underserving ass out of top 10 :devil:

And then she'll fall right back out after the USOpen... so... ehh?

RenaSlam.
Aug 15th, 2008, 03:02 AM
With a decent run in New Heaven she'll reenter the top ten again and kick Radwanska's underserving ass out of top 10 :devil:

Anna C's serve is nothing to write home about, either. :tape: :help: :spit:

Optima
Aug 15th, 2008, 03:34 AM
She'll be back.

thegreendestiny
Aug 15th, 2008, 03:57 AM
this thread just wont die.

P_Fer
Aug 15th, 2008, 06:30 AM
She'll be back.

Hopefully:hearts::)

Serenidad.
Aug 15th, 2008, 06:33 AM
"no talent" "most boring" "worst ever" hyperbole

This isn't hyperbole. :(

^ reality

$uricate
Aug 15th, 2008, 10:04 AM
:banana:

ZOMG!!!!11 Thanks Vera :kiss:

Im so glad this WeeAAkAassSSS GiRRRRrrrrrrl is out of the top ten!

I am also so glad it has made so many people's day!

Too bad she will be back in after New Haven.



I hope she defends her US Open points just to watch troll's heads explode.

Dodoboy.
Aug 22nd, 2008, 10:03 PM
She is back in the top 10 next week.

Probably the last week of her career :hug:

Serenidad.
Aug 22nd, 2008, 10:09 PM
YES. Next week she will lose a huge portion of her SF pointsssssssss.

BuTtErFrEnA
Aug 23rd, 2008, 12:03 AM
it's a similar draw to last year though so she just may defend her sf points

Noctis
Aug 23rd, 2008, 12:06 AM
shoulder the title be fallen

sammy01
Aug 23rd, 2008, 12:12 AM
new haven win + 4th round us open = 415 points

us open semi points to defend = 450

she could easily defend a huge bulk of her us open semi points in the next 2 weeks, even with a semi at new haven and a us open 4th round she will have defended 265 points.

goldenlox
Aug 23rd, 2008, 12:23 AM
Anna is playing well this week. I think she's getting back into form.
A little improvement on 1st serve placement and she's going to be a real threat in her half in NY, and in the fall.
She's looking very solid now.

esquímaux
Aug 23rd, 2008, 12:51 AM
shoulder the title be fallen
....huh?....

delicatecutter
Aug 23rd, 2008, 02:04 AM
Anna is coming back!!!!!! But why does she suddenly look like the Cryptkeeper? I'm worried for her.

sammy01
Aug 23rd, 2008, 02:10 AM
Anna is coming back!!!!!! But why does she suddenly look like the Cryptkeeper? I'm worried for her.

she has incredibly pale eyebrows so when in the wrong light it looks like she dosen't have any. she would be better dying her hair and eyesbrows darker, as with her pale skin it makes her features look indistinguishable (sp?). thats why with make up she looks so much better as the foundation darkens her skin.

the rise cometh: anna chakvetadze!

AcesHigh
Aug 23rd, 2008, 02:13 AM
I dont really care about her ranking and points.. I just wish she'd play better. I didn't like watching her play before, but watching her today.. she was just awful(so was Amelie).

Wish her the best of luck at USO.

sammy01
Aug 23rd, 2008, 02:18 AM
I dont really care about her ranking and points.. I just wish she'd play better. I didn't like watching her play before, but watching her today.. she was just awful(so was Amelie).

Wish her the best of luck at USO.

i agree i'd love to see her play better as well, but i could say that for about 15 of the top 20 players right now.

$uricate
Aug 23rd, 2008, 02:26 AM
Anna is back :banana:

Sammy is right. She was so tanned around Wimbledon time and she looked a lot better. Maybe she should get a fake bake or something :shrug:

Pink Princess
Aug 23rd, 2008, 03:25 AM
http://img27.picoodle.com/data/img27/3/8/22/f_AnnaChakvyBm_cc42d9e.png
Anna:bigclap::bigclap::bigclap:

goldenlox
Aug 23rd, 2008, 06:13 AM
Is that pic from New Haven? Why is Anna dressed for winter?

Serenidad.
Aug 26th, 2008, 12:09 AM
Owned. :rolls:

Like I said. She is losing this 450 and her YEC points. Hopefully out of 15 by year end.

Amalgamate
Aug 26th, 2008, 12:12 AM
:help:

Tennisstar86
Aug 26th, 2008, 12:20 AM
Anna is back :banana:

Sammy is right. She was so tanned around Wimbledon time and she looked a lot better. Maybe she should get a fake bake or something :shrug:

:tape:

Dawson.
Aug 26th, 2008, 12:24 AM
Anna is playing well this week. I think she's getting back into form.
A little improvement on 1st serve placement and she's going to be a real threat in her half in NY, and in the fall.
She's looking very solid now.

it looks like this was the jinx post :p :lol:

$uricate
Aug 26th, 2008, 12:32 AM
Oh Anna :rolleyes:

Well that was a pile of shit performance.

:smash:

Noctis
Aug 26th, 2008, 12:42 AM
The Rising Slump.Anna ChokeJokevetadze

Pink Princess
Aug 26th, 2008, 12:49 AM
Anna will not play here again with Her Pink Dresshttp://img33.picoodle.com/data/img33/3/8/23/t_14m_c36c31f.gifhttp://img33.picoodle.com/data/img33/3/8/23/t_14m_c36c31f.gifhttp://img33.picoodle.com/data/img33/3/8/23/t_14m_c36c31f.gif

Demska
Aug 26th, 2008, 12:51 AM
Anna will not play here again with Her Pink Dresshttp://img33.picoodle.com/data/img33/3/8/23/t_14m_c36c31f.gifhttp://img33.picoodle.com/data/img33/3/8/23/t_14m_c36c31f.gifhttp://img33.picoodle.com/data/img33/3/8/23/t_14m_c36c31f.gif

Marta Sharapova :bigclap: :bigclap: :bigclap:

sammy01
Sep 26th, 2008, 03:16 PM
oh look at all the bitchy horrid responses in this thread, yet the ivanovic one was closed to spare the ivanoturds feelings. great democracy!

can i have a list of players its ok to bash and take the piss out of, because it seems not all players/players fans are treated equaly!

Shoulderpova
Sep 26th, 2008, 03:17 PM
i was wondering the same thing. If mods don't close this thread then...:tape:

SOA_MC
Sep 26th, 2008, 03:26 PM
oh look at all the bitchy horrid responses in this thread, yet the ivanovic one was closed to spare the ivanoturds feelings. great democracy!

can i have a list of players its ok to bash and take the piss out of, because it seems not all players/players fans are treated equaly!

How do you know any Ivanovic fan had anything to do with the closing of that thread?

Adal
Sep 26th, 2008, 03:28 PM
oh look at all the bitchy horrid responses in this thread, yet the ivanovic one was closed to spare the ivanoturds feelings. great democracy!

can i have a list of players its ok to bash and take the piss out of, because it seems not all players/players fans are treated equaly!
The last post in this thread was August 29th, before you bumped it. Would it make any difference if it was closed or just dead?

sammy01
Sep 26th, 2008, 03:33 PM
How do you know any Ivanovic fan had anything to do with the closing of that thread?

the point is this thread has been left open for months with people posting whatever shit they like, im not saying its because of ivanovic fans that the ivanovic 1 was closed im saying mods don't rule with a fair hand, its ok to bash certain players but not others.

frenchie
Sep 26th, 2008, 03:33 PM
I just LOVE how Anna is still ranked 11 or 12!!!:lol::lol:
OMG what a downfall, from 6 to 11:tape:

Of course she's in a slump, but it's not as bad as people try to show:rolleyes:

sammy01
Sep 26th, 2008, 03:35 PM
The last post in this thread was August 29th, before you bumped it. Would it make any difference if it was closed or just dead?

the thread has been bumped everytime anna loses points or drops in the ranking. do you think it won't be bumped after the YEC?

SOA_MC
Sep 26th, 2008, 03:38 PM
the point is this thread has been left open for months with people posting whatever shit they like, im not saying its because of ivanovic fans that the ivanovic 1 was closed im saying mods don't rule with a fair hand, its ok to bash certain players but not others.

The Ana version of this thread was open on August 26 and only closed 20 minutes ago:rolleyes:

sammy01
Sep 26th, 2008, 03:42 PM
The Ana version of this thread was open on August 26 and only closed 20 minutes ago:rolleyes:

this one was opened on the 11th july and is still open, go figure?

Kart
Sep 26th, 2008, 09:20 PM
Don't come whining to me about double standards - the last thread was closed because you were all fighting. If you can't control yourself or find a thread topic unsavoury, no one is forcing you to post in it.

This thread could have remained lost and forgotten if you hadn't decided to bring it up for a rematch - a move that does not amuse me.

I didn't see this earlier as I logged off but fortunately my colleague closed it.

For the record, I don't like these kind of threads but we try to allow you as much freedom as possible. Whether you choose to make the most of that or waste time with mindless bickering is your decision. Just know that your behaviour carries repercussions for the other posters on the board, not just yourself.

The alternative would be to impose further restrictions on topic content which I am against personally as I am a strong supporter of this forum recognising new posters of all ages that may want to discuss topics others like myself have seen many times before.

However that stance becomes harder and harder to defend when this forum demonstrates time and again that some posters cannot resist a fight.