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LightWarrior
Jul 9th, 2008, 11:31 PM
I'm a fan but there is something quite unique about Venus Williams : her ability to play well only at Wimbledon. The facts speak for themselves because since 2005, aside for Wimbledon she has only won 4 small tournaments (tier III). Quite unique,almost laughable for a 5 time Wimbledon champion.
2005 : won Istanbul (tier III) + Wimbledon
2007 : won Memphis & Seoul (tier III) + Wimbledon
2008 : 0 titles + Wimbledon
Her ability to peak once a year at the greatest tournament is amazing. It almost looks like she doesn't even have to play on the tour for the rest of the year. Venus can thank Wimbledon a million times to exist.

mdterp01
Jul 9th, 2008, 11:40 PM
I don't think she would have retired, but it is amazing that Venus has been able to win the biggest tournament of the year 3 of the last 4 years without winning much else. I mean if you talk to a lot of other players who have many other tournament wins but no grand slams, I bet they would trade their various tier 1, 2, 3, and 4 titles for ONE of Venus' Wimbledon wins. It is amazing but Venus is a classic example of one of those players whose game simply fits the grass. In addition, Wimbledon has such a special place in her heart that I think her mentality is so different going into that slam than any other tournament the whole year. It is phenomenal.

slydevil6142
Jul 9th, 2008, 11:46 PM
I feel Venus "tries" at other tournments shes just more willing to accept defeat. People forget that Venus lost 5 grandslam finals and when your so close to acheiving a major goal smaller tournments just cant seem as important. I cant explain however her lackluster efforts at the OZ the last few years but maybe now that shes so close to catching serena in slam wins and the upcomnig olympic us open swing we will see a greater effort from her!

court70
Jul 10th, 2008, 12:03 AM
I think it all has to do with vee's health. At all those other tournaments she was just not healthy. I have a veeling you will see a different Vee at this summer tournaments.

Tennisstar86
Jul 10th, 2008, 12:17 AM
well Venus Did make the Semi's of the US OPEN last year... and i think her stat of never losing to anyone outside the top 4 there is the best stat on tour (besides Nadal being undefeated at the french)

I also was saying to a friend last year before Venus won Wimbledon that she would win, and IF she met Serena in that final I expect her to dominate for the rest of the year.. Winnin US and maybe the AO.... cause IMO those 5 loses to Serena be it 5 years ago still play in her head.... you cant lose 5 straight matches to the same player and not have it affect your confidence (look at Clijsters compared to henin....)

however, Serena got injured and loss and while Venus did win the title she didnt get to beat Serena on the big stage...... Now that she has... I'm very interested to see how she finishes off the year... and moves into next year... as Im sure that straight set win over Serena gave her a lot of the confidence back she lost in 2002...

OH and its a mute question ya know... If Wimbledon didnt exist Venus might not even want to be a tennis player... as she has stated she always wanted to win Wimbledon....that goal hasnt changed.... so i think she just gets up to win wimbledon/ has more drive for it... tough to say if she wasnt winning it... cause i think the tournament itself drives her...

terjw
Jul 10th, 2008, 12:25 AM
Another if, would thread. Is there any point to them. It's so far removed from reality if Wimbledon didn't exist who knows what would have happened - and not just with Venus.

V's a star
Jul 10th, 2008, 12:26 AM
WHY? if we take out her Wibledon titles shes still left with 2 US Open wins 2 Gold medals
6 GS finals with atleast 1 final appearance in all the slams, a semi-finalist at last years USO and is a former world # 1. thats just singles. I think that says everything who else got that????

Dave.
Jul 10th, 2008, 12:27 AM
Venus is a professional tennis player- this is her livelihood. It is ridiculous to assume she doesn't give 100% whether it's a 1R of a Tier III or a Grand Slam Final. The reason for her success at Wimbledon is simple: She is the best grasscourt player on tour. She is alot more comfortable on grass than any other surface and when she's confident she's very difficult to beat on it. On hardcourts, claycourts and indoors, Venus is not as "special" as she is on grass- she is still one of the best but her weaknesses are alot more vulnerable. This is why I don't think she'll return to the top4 but as long as she keeps onto a great Wimbledon result and some decent enough results elsewhere, she will remain in the top10.

I do think if Venus had lost the 2005 final she may have retired by the end of 2006. That match was career-reviving for her and probably the most important match she's ever played.

LightWarrior
Jul 10th, 2008, 12:28 AM
Another if, would thread. Is there any point to them. It's so far removed from reality if Wimbledon didn't exist who knows what would have happened - and not just with Venus.

You're so relevant...Just use your brains !

LightWarrior
Jul 10th, 2008, 12:30 AM
WHY? if we take out her Wibledon titles shes still left with 2 US Open wins 2 Gold medals
6 GS finals with atleast 1 final appearance in all the slams, a semi-finalist at last years USO and is a former world # 1. thats just singles. I think that says everything who else got that????

Yeah, that is just 2 slams : just like Mary Pierce. That says everything, you're right.

Bounty Hunter
Jul 10th, 2008, 12:33 AM
I'm a fan

Really?

LightWarrior
Jul 10th, 2008, 12:35 AM
I do think if Venus had lost the 2005 final she may have retired by the end of 2006. That match was career-reviving for her and probably the most important match she's ever played.

You're totally right on this. Wow, down match point...It's a very thin line !

winone23
Jul 10th, 2008, 12:35 AM
NO, Venus is not a quitter!

Tennisstar86
Jul 10th, 2008, 12:36 AM
You're totally right on this. Wow, down match point...It's a very thin line !

I disagree i mean you say it was career defining, but whose to say if she hadnt have lost that one... she wouldnt have been more hungry in 2006/ @ other majors....

LightWarrior
Jul 10th, 2008, 12:41 AM
Really?

Kiss it stupid.

DOUBLEFIST
Jul 10th, 2008, 12:42 AM
I think the exact opposite.

I think the real risk was her retiring AFTER she won in '05.

Venus has waaaay to much dignity and pride to go out on a losing slump. I think she would have continued to fight until she could go out on the terms SHE would've wanted. Otherwise, it would have given the appearance that she was run out of the game.

venusallday
Jul 10th, 2008, 12:42 AM
Just think how many more majors venus would have if the OZ open and the US Open were also played on grass like the old days...she would surely have at least 15 majors lol.

In The Zone
Jul 10th, 2008, 12:45 AM
Yeah, that is just 2 slams : just like Mary Pierce. That says everything, you're right.

But if she werent winning Wimbledon, and if Wimbledon didn't exist, Venus Williams' mentality would be shifted and focused on other slams. If Wimbledon did not exist, Venus Williams would have taken another slam into her heart, like the USO. It's all mental.

LightWarrior
Jul 10th, 2008, 12:51 AM
But if she werent winning Wimbledon, and if Wimbledon didn't exist, Venus Williams' mentality would be shifted and focused on other slams. If Wimbledon did not exist, Venus Williams would have taken another slam into her heart, like the USO. It's all mental.

Then - if I follow you - why not focus on all the slams, like Steffi Graf ??

Expat
Jul 10th, 2008, 01:00 AM
Just think how many more majors venus would have if the OZ open and the US Open were also played on grass like the old days...she would surely have at least 15 majors lol.

highly unlikely
part of the reason that venus does so well at wimbledon is that it is a specialzsed surface and the rest of the tour don't play as much on grass as they would on clay or hard court
most newcomers (to whom venus is most vulnerable in early rounds of slams ) haven't played like 5 tournaments on grass in their entire career at any level (ITF or wta or juniors)

kiwifan
Jul 10th, 2008, 01:01 AM
I was more concerned about her retiring BECAUSE of Wimbledon wins.

;)

-VSR-
Jul 10th, 2008, 01:06 AM
Then - if I follow you - why not focus on all the slams, like Steffi Graf ??

It's not her dream. :shrug:

She WANTS the Australian and French but she DESIRES Wimbledon.

RenaSlam.
Jul 10th, 2008, 01:53 AM
If, If, If...

Geisha
Jul 10th, 2008, 03:07 AM
I'm a fan but there is something quite unique about Venus Williams : her ability to play well only at Wimbledon. The facts speak for themselves because since 2005, aside for Wimbledon she has only won 4 small tournaments (tier III). Quite unique,almost laughable for a 5 time Wimbledon champion.
2005 : won Istanbul (tier III) + Wimbledon
2007 : won Memphis & Seoul (tier III) + Wimbledon
2008 : 0 titles + Wimbledon
Her ability to peak once a year at the greatest tournament is amazing. It almost looks like she doesn't even have to play on the tour for the rest of the year. Venus can thank Wimbledon a million times to exist.

Venus plays well at many tournaments, but peaks at Wimbledon. She played well at the US Open in 2005 and 2007 before losing. She played well at 2005 Miami. She played well in the 2006 claycourt season. She plays well!

Marshmallow
Jul 10th, 2008, 10:42 PM
I don't think she would have retired, but it is amazing that Venus has been able to win the biggest tournament of the year 3 of the last 4 years without winning much else. I mean if you talk to a lot of other players who have many other tournament wins but no grand slams, I bet they would trade their various tier 1, 2, 3, and 4 titles for ONE of Venus' Wimbledon wins. It is amazing but Venus is a classic example of one of those players whose game simply fits the grass. In addition, Wimbledon has such a special place in her heart that I think her mentality is so different going into that slam than any other tournament the whole year. It is phenomenal.

I like that. :D

NO, Venus is not a quitter!

I agree. To answer the question specifically I think Venus loves the game too much to quit because of bad results. That and the fact that she's a fighter. If she hadn't had won Wimbledon she'd still be working hard and holding on to the belief that she's too good to go without big titles, and working hard as possible to make things happen. This is what has helped her win at wimbledon the post 2003 as she has. Venus isn't a quitter like some other noteable players who quit the game in recent times.

fammmmedspin
Jul 10th, 2008, 11:00 PM
There might be some motivation in the fact that records are in reach at wimbledon - though even there its probably too late. A lot of recent retirees have not had any records to aim for as Graf and Navratilova have them locked down and they havn't had a realistic chance for other goals like an olympic gold.
Its probably more that she plays well there, most people don't and she likes winning. The interesting question is how she is motivated to bother turning up elsewhere.

Marshmallow
Oct 19th, 2008, 04:16 PM
I'm a fan but there is something quite unique about Venus Williams : her ability to play well only at Wimbledon. The facts speak for themselves because since 2005, aside for Wimbledon she has only won 4 small tournaments (tier III). Quite unique,almost laughable for a 5 time Wimbledon champion.
2005 : won Istanbul (tier III) + Wimbledon
2007 : won Memphis & Seoul (tier III) + Wimbledon
2008 : 0 titles + Wimbledon
Her ability to peak once a year at the greatest tournament is amazing. It almost looks like she doesn't even have to play on the tour for the rest of the year. Venus can thank Wimbledon a million times to exist.

Maybe this should have waited til the end of the year. It's not 0 titles + Wimbledon anymore. :unsure:

~Eclipsed~
Oct 19th, 2008, 06:45 PM
I like how people are giving a "Shut the Fuck up" to these old Venus bashing threads. :lol:

Uranium
Oct 20th, 2008, 01:21 AM
I love that Venus has always won another event in the year of her Grand Slam wins.

SOA_MC
Oct 20th, 2008, 07:12 AM
I like how people are giving a "Shut the Fuck up" to these old Venus bashing threads. :lol:

A Venus fan started this thread all the replies are from Venus fans:confused:

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 20th, 2008, 07:33 AM
nicely done marsh :rolls: