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AcesHigh
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:18 PM
.. we had the best slam final in 2 years. Can we at least agree on that? It was a high-quality match and that was huge plus for me. It may not be your particular cup of tea, but it's been lauded by commentators across the board and this was highquality power tennis with the two best players of this generation duking it out.

In the 22 slams prior to Wimbledon 2008, IMHO, we've only had 5 quality slam finals(Wimbledon 2006, 2005, 2003 & AO 2004, 2003).. that's pretty awful.

So let's not remember this Wimbledon in a negative light, but rather as slam with interesting story lines and a high-caliber final.

Apoleb
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:20 PM
How the hell was this Wimbledon the best in x years? At least on the women's side.

Of course if you're a Williams fan you're going to like it, but basically every match besides the final (which was good. But nothing outstanding) sucked. Well except the second set of Jie and Serena I guess.

sfselesfan
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:22 PM
I think that was the point of the original post. That the FINAL was the best in years.

SF

Apoleb
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:24 PM
I missed the "final" part. I guess that's a fair point, but it speaks a lot more about how awful and mediocre the other finals were. Though there definitely a few outstanding GS matches.

LindsayRulz
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:26 PM
I would have prefered several quality matches throughout the tournament than only one good final :p

AcesHigh
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:30 PM
I would have prefered several quality matches throughout the tournament than only one good final :p

True, but finals are usually much more remembered than matches during the tournament. This Wimbledon didnt have the usual highquality semi's and quarterfinals we've grown accustomed to, but it wasnt as godawful as some would make it seem.

For example, does anyone remember matches from RG 2004? RG 2005? AO 2006? ones that your fave wasn't involved in? I just think it's good to take some positives from this.

Apoleb
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:31 PM
AO 2006?

The Justine-Maria match was one of the best of the year.

Wiggly
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:31 PM
I would have prefered several quality matches throughout the tournament than only one good final :p

I would have prefered no good match at all and a Federer victory.
And Daniela winning as well.

slydevil6142
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:39 PM
The Justine-Maria match was one of the best of the year.

... and if there was shot spot in oz 2006 Maria have beaten her to.....

LindsayRulz
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:40 PM
I would have prefered no good match at all and a Federer victory.
And Daniela winning as well.

I wanted Fed to win too :sad:

Oh and I would have prefered no quality matches and Lindsay not wearing that dress :tape:

Marshmallow
Jul 8th, 2008, 11:51 PM
True. I find it a little frustrating though that, in recent times we've had some really amazing matches between top players, but just never seem to get these clashes often enough on the very big stages, the major finals.

Sharapova V Schnyder FO 2007
Kuzzy V Jankovic Dubai 2008
Serena V Kuznetsova Miami 2008
Ivanovic V Jankovic LA 2007
Safina V Sharapova FO 2008 (:unsure:)
Squeakgate at the AO 2008
Venus V Jankovic USO 2007 (or anywhere)
Sharapova V Kuznetsova IW 2008
Ivanovic V Jankovic FO 2008

There are a many others. For all the complaining about the WTA there's some pretty decent potential there. The list above is of some really amazing matches, with drama and great shot making.

DA FOREHAND
Jul 9th, 2008, 12:03 AM
Finals usually suck: irrespective of the era or competition ... it goes with the territory.

I agree this was one of the better ones, quality-wise.

Call me a pretentious git - I prefer emphasis on the overall tourney leading up to the final.

I suppose you would since that is where JJ shines. Right up to the semis.

Cakeisgood
Jul 9th, 2008, 12:06 AM
In terms of recent finals, I would say that this one and USO 2006 were of high quality.

DA FOREHAND
Jul 9th, 2008, 12:09 AM
^^^ lol

-Sonic-
Jul 9th, 2008, 12:17 AM
I loved Wimbledon this year.....

Dave.
Jul 9th, 2008, 12:24 AM
Well I think most of us remember the great matches from the whole tournament but for promoting the tour to the non-tennis public, this final was the best since Wimbledon 06. I wouldn't put it down as a classic though, but it was a high quality match between the two best grasscourt players right now.

Hardiansf
Jul 9th, 2008, 12:40 AM
I don't know with you guys, but I still find the 2007 Oz final is outstanding too. Who could forget the performance of Serena "the best and the beast of this generation" Williams at that day? It's a high quality ones.

Brooks.
Jul 9th, 2008, 02:30 AM
The final wasn't that high quality. Venus fans just want it to be, so they can say how "great" Venus played. After 4-3 in the first set, Serena was horrible.

Nicolás89
Jul 9th, 2008, 03:14 AM
Yeah, that first set was dreamy, Serena had 2 ue's and Venus 5. The second set wasn't bad at all despise the 15+ errors from both. Beautiful. :hearts:

stevos
Jul 9th, 2008, 03:21 AM
.. we had the best slam final in 2 years. Can we at least agree on that? It was a high-quality match and that was huge plus for me. It may not be your particular cup of tea, but it's been lauded by commentators across the board and this was highquality power tennis with the two best players of this generation duking it out.

In the 22 slams prior to Wimbledon 2008, IMHO, we've only had 5 quality slam finals(Wimbledon 2006, 2005, 2003 & AO 2004, 2003).. that's pretty awful.

So let's not remember this Wimbledon in a negative light, but rather as slam with interesting story lines and a high-caliber final.

I am totally behind you on this! The pessimism on this board has been an issue forever.
Good thread.
It was an amazing final, and we've had so so many absolutely HORRIBLE finals. Last year, the closest one was 6-4 6-1. I mean, seriously. At least this year's have been close two-setters. Maybe it's all a leadup to next year, which will feature all tight three setters. :drool:

Tennisstar86
Jul 9th, 2008, 03:58 AM
The final wasn't that high quality. Venus fans just want it to be, so they can say how "great" Venus played. After 4-3 in the first set, Serena was horrible.

...... sour grapes much... Serena had great stats for the match except her 2nd serve points won and break points percentage won.... low unforced errors and high winners... Serena never plays a "Perfect" match meaning no unforced errors.... so if venus didnt play great tennis and outplay her..... Id hate to see the score line when Venus does play great tennis against Serena....

anyways... yeah it was a good final.... good quality match.... it wasnt one sided the entire way through for the first time in a long time...

mykarma
Jul 9th, 2008, 04:15 AM
The final wasn't that high quality. Venus fans just want it to be, so they can say how "great" Venus played. After 4-3 in the first set, Serena was horrible.
I'm a Williams sisters fan and it was the best finals that the sisters have played. IMO, Serena didn't play all that bad it's that Venus won the big points. I've seen them both play worse and win. Anyhow, I don't think anyone was going to beat Venus on Saturday. She generally has a lapse of concentration and that didn't happen in this match, her second serve is generally pretty awful, and she was right on key this time. She was just in the zone and Serena wasn't going to beat her. I also think that she didn't let the big sister role get in her head this time. Even when Serena started looking all pitiful, (I think on purpose :lol:), Venus ignored her and kept on playing.

Actually, I wanted Venus to win to have the opportunity to get to 7 wins and want Serena to win the Open. Anyhow, I'm just waiting for the next Williams/Williams final.

debopero
Jul 9th, 2008, 04:22 AM
The only two truly great matches I have seen so far have been Serena/Sharapova AO 07 and Venus/Davenport Wimbledon05

debopero
Jul 9th, 2008, 04:25 AM
I think people are so desperate for high quality matches, that they start deeming anything that isn't an era fest "high-quality." That Federer match was good, but was it the "match of our generation?" No. But I guess that's what makes a classic a classic- it only comes around once in a while.

DA FOREHAND
Jul 9th, 2008, 04:31 AM
I'm a Williams sisters fan and it was the best finals that the sisters have played. IMO, Serena didn't play all that bad it's that Venus won the big points. I've seen them both play worse and win. Anyhow, I don't think anyone was going to beat Venus on Saturday. She generally has a lapse of concentration and that didn't happen in this match, her second serve is generally pretty awful, and she was right on key this time. She was just in the zone and Serena wasn't going to beat her. I also think that she didn't let the big sister role get in her head this time. Even when Serena started looking all pitiful, (I think on purpose :lol:), Venus ignored her and kept on playing.

Actually, I wanted Venus to win to have the opportunity to get to 7 wins and want Serena to win the Open. Anyhow, I'm just waiting for the next Williams/Williams final.

funny i never thought of serena's pouting as a means of getting venus to let her have her way. Interesting. If that was the case, i'm sure venus has seen it many times.

Nicolás89
Jul 9th, 2008, 04:36 AM
That Federer match was good, but was it the "match of our generation?"

That was like the best match I've ever seen and I'm from this generation, so it has to be the best match of our generation, if not name which should be. :shrug:

Tennisstar86
Jul 9th, 2008, 04:43 AM
funny i never thought of serena's pouting as a means of getting venus to let her have her way. Interesting. If that was the case, i'm sure venus has seen it many times.

Ive always seen it like that.... as a little sibling i recognize it. ;)

I find it kinda sad that Serena doesnt even attempt a happy face for Venus yet when shes won over Venus she doesnt even try to hold back her celebration, while venus does... IMO.....

DA FOREHAND
Jul 9th, 2008, 04:50 AM
The only two truly great matches I have seen so far have been Serena/Sharapova AO 07 and Venus/Davenport Wimbledon05

those were great matches, I also enjoyed Mauresmo -v-Henin 06 wimby and the 06 us open Maria -v- Henin

Tennisstar86
Jul 9th, 2008, 04:51 AM
That was like the best match I've ever seen and I'm from this generation, so it has to be the best match of our generation, if not name which should be. :shrug:

hrmmm... I didnt get to see the match (work :() but from the highlights they showed..... (I assume highlights mean best points of the match) i was less than moved.... whereas I have seen some highlights that are unbleivable from matches....

I guess you should explain what you're generation is.... is yours the Federer generation.... cause if so i could see that...maybe....

DA FOREHAND
Jul 9th, 2008, 04:53 AM
Ive always seen it like that.... as a little sibling i recognize it. ;)

I find it kinda sad that Serena doesnt even attempt a happy face for Venus yet when shes won over Venus she doesnt even try to hold back her celebration, while venus does... IMO.....

yes that is pretty sour of serena, but i'm sure Venus is also very used to that as well.

Daniela-Is-Mine
Jul 9th, 2008, 05:24 AM
I would have prefered several quality matches throughout the tournament than only one good final :p

:worship:

AcesHigh
Jul 9th, 2008, 05:55 AM
hrmmm... I didnt get to see the match (work :() but from the highlights they showed..... (I assume highlights mean best points of the match) i was less than moved.... whereas I have seen some highlights that are unbleivable from matches....

I guess you should explain what you're generation is.... is yours the Federer generation.... cause if so i could see that...maybe....

It definitely was one of the top 5 matches of all time. Many have said it's possibly the greatest match they have ever seen. Highlights wouldnt do it justice since there are many incredible highlights from poor matches. I saw it from the 3rd set on and it was just incredible high-quality tennis from that point on with loads of drama.

Tennisation
Jul 9th, 2008, 06:57 AM
I'm sorry, but the last greatest final I saw that had me on the edge of my seat was Wimby 05 with arguably the 2 best grass-courters of their generation Lindsay & Venus. There hasn't been a final like that where I felt like I wanted both of them to win and either one losing was heartbreaking.

StephenUK
Jul 9th, 2008, 10:32 AM
I'm sorry, but the last greatest final I saw that had me on the edge of my seat was Wimby 05 with arguably the 2 best grass-courters of their generation Lindsay & Venus. There hasn't been a final like that where I felt like I wanted both of them to win and either one losing was heartbreaking.

I agree with Tennisation. It was a good final (much better than the previous Williams ones at Wimbledon) but I don't think you can have a great final unless it goes down to the wire. McEnroe beating Connors in 84 was a masterclass but a deeply boring match; ditto Serena v Sharapova Australia 07.

You can't compare it to Venus v Davenport in 2005 or Mauresmo v Henin in 2006 because these were exciting right to the end. If Serena had taken the second set and pushed it close in the final set, it would have been a great final, but it just sort of fizzled out.

The fact is that here in the UK, 1 million more people tuned in to watch Laura Robson win the girls finals and 8-9 million more watched the incredible men's final, which just about sums up how the women's tournament this year totally failed to grab the imagination. Everyone remembers 1980 Wimbledon for Borg v McEnroe (who remembers Evonne Cawley v Evert?) so it will be Nadal v Federer that people remember 2008 for.