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DevilishAttitude
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:00 PM
"99% of male tennis players can't stand women's tennis. There's no other sport with such a big disparity concerning level of play and the money women make. A friend of mine says that a woman who wins a Slam should only earn enough money to pay for her airplane ticket home. Who knows what else I would say if it wasn't for Ana and Jelena whom I may consider friends. But of course, I appreciate the effort they're putting into tennis, because I know they practise as hard as I do. [...] The way women think on court cannot be compared to men. Their only strategy is 'hit the ball where your opponent isn't.' Nothing more! No 'Put more spin on the ball, this is an important point, play to her backhand'. No way! [...] It's that such kind of tennis works today. Look at the Williams sisters, Sharapova or Ivanovic who hits the ball like a truck on steroids. I get a bit critical when I see how much the women earn and how their opening rounds go. That's what irritates me the most, I feel like going to WTA HQ and *something* all of them. Look at Federer who is so dominant, he has to work so hard to beat a Staracce or an Almagro, he may even lose a set and then look at Sharapova or Ivanovic who lose 3 games in the first 4 rounds. It makes me sick".

:o

Elwin.
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:02 PM
Janko said this :eek: :o
What an idiot :weirdo:

Mightymirza
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:03 PM
where did he say this?

Lolo8
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:05 PM
I can't believe he would diss his own country woman.

Expat
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:09 PM
I can't believe he would diss his own country woman.
its a matter of principle
women get 100% for 60% of the work
plus their viewership + ratings stink too

why should ana or jelena be any factor in it

Grinder
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:09 PM
Janko. :yeah:

John.
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:11 PM
:o

slamchamp
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:13 PM
OMG:tape:

QUEENLINDSAY
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:15 PM
ignorance!

Mina Vagante
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:16 PM
I hate him

He's made racist and sexist comments before. :rolleyes:

In The Zone
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:16 PM
Janko. :yeah:

I don't get why people post things similar to yours.

You do realize this is a Women's Tennis Forum? It's like a KKK member going to a Black America meeting. It makes no sense.

Optima
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:16 PM
I think he's jealous he's not in the "Big 3".

Sexysova
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:17 PM
:spit: :o

slamchamp
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:17 PM
I hate him

He's made racist and sexist comments before. :rolleyes:
really? He seemed a really clever guy:confused:

mure
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:19 PM
Look at Federer who is so dominant, he has to work so hard to beat a Staracce or an Almagro,



this line made me laugh

Kworb
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:19 PM
:haha: What a misogynist.

FoxyliciousKhat
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:19 PM
"99% of male tennis players can't stand women's tennis. There's no other sport with such a big disparity concerning level of play and the money women make. A friend of mine says that a woman who wins a Slam should only earn enough money to pay for her airplane ticket home. Who knows what else I would say if it wasn't for Ana and Jelena whom I may consider friends. But of course, I appreciate the effort they're putting into tennis, because I know they practise as hard as I do. [...] The way women think on court cannot be compared to men. Their only strategy is 'hit the ball where your opponent isn't.' Nothing more! No 'Put more spin on the ball, this is an important point, play to her backhand'. No way! [...] It's that such kind of tennis works today. Look at the Williams sisters, Sharapova or Ivanovic who hits the ball like a truck on steroids. I get a bit critical when I see how much the women earn and how their opening rounds go. That's what irritates me the most, I feel like going to WTA HQ and *something* all of them. Look at Federer who is so dominant, he has to work so hard to beat a Staracce or an Almagro, he may even lose a set and then look at Sharapova or Ivanovic who lose 3 games in the first 4 rounds. It makes me sick".

:o


ROFL Janko need to learn how to win matches before he can speak about level of play of men or woman (that's of course if he said this). Plus using Starace and Almagro as people to take set of top players is freaking hilarious.

Foxy

Drake1980
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:20 PM
:retard:

slamchamp
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:22 PM
well kudryatseva and zheng took sets(defeated) Maria and Ana..what's his point?:shrug:

Poiree
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:23 PM
I don't believe any of this until I see a source. But if he did say it :tape: :weirdo:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:23 PM
Nobody cares the opinion of this mediocre

In my opinion shitty players like Mugsarevic should not make comments. It is not serious what he could say

I mean , this ape has not won titles - has not been top 20

Malva
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:26 PM
Nobody cares the opinion of this mediocre

Shitty players like Mugsarevic should not make comments

Make the top 20 , win a title , before of that your opinion means ... nothing

Marcelo Ríos of Chile, a former #1, said something very similar after the first week of Roland Garros 2004.

DevilishAttitude
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:27 PM
really? He seemed a really clever guy:confused:

Previous comments when he 1st arrived on tour.

"Agassi was my idol, but he really dissapointed me when he married Steffi." Asked to comment on Kournikova: "She isn't all that beautiful, it's just the other female players are just so ugly. I've never seen at least pretty tennis player, except Sabatini."
"I know there are some homosexual male players, but I try not to have any contact with them. And as for women, I know Mauresmo is a pervert."

:o:o

eck
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:27 PM
And that makes me hate him just a little bit now. :o

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:27 PM
Marcelo Ríos of Chile, a former #1, said something very similar after the first week of Roland Garros 2004.

Rios is a mug

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:28 PM
He'd probably do better on his tour if he didn't harbor such ill feelings towards the WTA :shrug:

Maryamator
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:29 PM
aint some jealous of womens tennis

slamchamp
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:30 PM
Previous comments when he 1st arrived on tour.

"Agassi was my idol, but he really dissapointed me when he married Steffi." Asked to comment on Kournikova: "She isn't all that beautiful, it's just the other female players are just so ugly. I've never seen at least pretty tennis player, except Sabatini."
"I know there are some homosexual male players, but I try not to have any contact with them. And as for women, I know Mauresmo is a pervert."

:o:o
:eek::help: ..who would have thought this guy is so ignorant?!

Kworb
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:30 PM
Previous comments when he 1st arrived on tour.

"Agassi was my idol, but he really dissapointed me when he married Steffi." Asked to comment on Kournikova: "She isn't all that beautiful, it's just the other female players are just so ugly. I've never seen at least pretty tennis player, except Sabatini."
"I know there are some homosexual male players, but I try not to have any contact with them. And as for women, I know Mauresmo is a pervert."

:o:o

:help: What a creep! Is there any male Serbian tennis player who is not a total douchebag?

Poiree
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:31 PM
I don't believe any of this until I see a source. But if he did say it :tape: :weirdo:

ok, I got the source. It's only in Serbian though, but here is the link :o

http://www.b92.net/zivot/licni_prostor.php?nav_id=306659

InsideOut.
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:32 PM
what a bastard. :help:

"Ana and Jelena whom I may consider friends"...that's it, they'll probably not be your friends anymore. And to think that the women don't think about "go to her backhand" or something...anyone who plays Ana knows that is what to do anyway.

spiritedenergy
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:32 PM
:weirdo:

FORZA SARITA
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:33 PM
what a loser:lol:
just jealous that women get more money...but it's not their fault if you suck so:wavey:

~Cherry*Blossom~
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:33 PM
LMAO he always seemed a bit of a loser. He just proved it today.

Federer worked so hard in the first round??? Bullshit. What an absolute dickhead.

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:33 PM
Previous comments when he 1st arrived on tour.

"Agassi was my idol, but he really dissapointed me when he married Steffi." Asked to comment on Kournikova: "She isn't all that beautiful, it's just the other female players are just so ugly. I've never seen at least pretty tennis player, except Sabatini."
"I know there are some homosexual male players, but I try not to have any contact with them. And as for women, I know Mauresmo is a pervert."

:o:o

Misogynist and homophobe too? :o

Lolo8
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:34 PM
Previous comments when he 1st arrived on tour.

"Agassi was my idol, but he really dissapointed me when he married Steffi." Asked to comment on Kournikova: "She isn't all that beautiful, it's just the other female players are just so ugly. I've never seen at least pretty tennis player, except Sabatini."
"I know there are some homosexual male players, but I try not to have any contact with them. And as for women, I know Mauresmo is a pervert."

:o:o
I actually agree with him about Kournikova. I never quite understood the hype about her looks.

debopero
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:34 PM
He has said some pretty moronic comments in the past so this does not suprise me. Perhaps he should focus on his game rather than belittle someone elses. I really do not understand why some people (like Tipsarevic) feel the need to degarde women. They are equal to men in every single way and should be respected as such. Comments like these really bring us back a few centuries if you know what I mean.

kwilliams
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:34 PM
So women train just as hard as he does AND get good results and yet they should earn less than them. I can't believe he considers himself a friend to JJ and Ivanovic, he must be a really nice guy if this is the way he speaks about his friends.
If he actually said what DevilishAttitude posted he should be disciplined for such prejudiced remarks...he should also think about crawling back into the festering hole that spewed him out.

young_gunner913
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:35 PM
Janko's just jealous because WS, Sharapova, and Ana have won slams and he can't do shit and never will.

Nikkiri
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:35 PM
Wow, well I just lost all respect for him :o

Slutiana
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:36 PM
What a mug.

I may not be a woman but this is the reason why the ratings of womens' tennis is lower than mens (although at one point it wasn't..) people fail to come to terms with the fact that women can be as good an athlete as the men. Women have countless times said that they would be willing to play 5 sets but yet they're still being criticised for it when it's out of their hands.

Anyway, the WTA could still be bigger than the ATP is we maybe didn't have so many mugs as CEO in this sport. When the WTA was better than the ATP in the early 00s and late 90s, that Bart Maguire guy or whoever was in charge then was a joke and didn't capitalize..

And the argument of there being no depth went out or the eindow years ago.. The top 4 lost before the Final. There hasn't been a 1st seed vs 2nd seed final in a long timw compared with the mens. :tape:

He says that Venus, Serena, Ivanovic and JJ 'hit the ball like a truck on steriods' (that did make me laugh :lol:). Well just because you don't hit the ball as hard as them.... They're not even that muscular...

Mugsarevic. :ras:

Kworb
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:36 PM
...he should also think about crawling back into the festering hole that spewed him out.
You may be on to something, his hatred for women can only stem from a bad relationship with his mother.

Andreas
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:36 PM
All respect lost. And I used to like him :o

mariahdg
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:37 PM
OK. this guy deserves nothing.

debopero
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:37 PM
:help: What a creep! Is there any male Serbian tennis player who is not a total douchebag?

I hate to say this (becasue I hate generalizations) but he and Boris Pashanski (sp?) have said some absolutley racist,mysoginist, and homophobic things. I really hope that they better people than what their quotes would suggest. I guess it is just a coincidence that they are both Serbian :shrug: .

spiritedenergy
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:38 PM
He has said some pretty moronic comments in the past so this does not suprise me. Perhaps he should focus on his game rather than belittle someone elses. I really do not understand why some people (like Tipsarevic) feel the need to degarde women. They are equal to men in every single way and should be respected as such. Comments like these really bring us back a few centuries if you know what I mean.

Agree. It's scary. :tape:

Maybe all this hate because he would like to play in the WTA? That's the only way he could win something, but maybe not because with that attitude he's destined to lose.

John.
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:38 PM
Previous comments when he 1st arrived on tour.

"Agassi was my idol, but he really dissapointed me when he married Steffi." Asked to comment on Kournikova: "She isn't all that beautiful, it's just the other female players are just so ugly. I've never seen at least pretty tennis player, except Sabatini."
"I know there are some homosexual male players, but I try not to have any contact with them. And as for women, I know Mauresmo is a pervert."

:o:o

:tape: What a complete bigot

Apoleb
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:39 PM
I hate to say this (becasue I hate generalizations) but he and Boris Pashanski (sp?) have said some absolutley racist,mysoginist, and homophobic things. I really hope that they better people than what their quotes would suggest.

What racist thing did he(they) say?

I can't get any of those quotes on google.

Julian
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:42 PM
can you say jealousy?? he needs to work harder if he wants to surpass his "friends" Ana and Jelena if he wants to be part of their elite group with Novak.

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:43 PM
What racist thing did he(they) say?

I can't get any of those quotes on google.

Time to change you avatar :tape:

Apoleb
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:44 PM
Time to change you avatar :tape:

:lol: I know. But he's still hot though.

Lunaris
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:44 PM
Women have countless times said that they would be willing to play 5 sets but yet they're still being criticised for it when it's out of their hands.
Can someone tell me which female players said that? Very often I read here that women said many times they were willing to play best of 5 sets, yet the only player I remember saying it is Venus Williams. For example Vaidisova and Safarova were both sceptical about playing 5 sets.

debopero
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:44 PM
What racist thing did he(they) say?

I can't get any of those quotes on google.

Pashasnki (once again sp?) said that black people are stupid and compared black people to monkeys.

slamchamp
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:45 PM
What racist thing did he(they) say?

I can't get any of those quotes on google.
great guy the one in your avatar:tape:

Paialii
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:45 PM
Is there a source for this? Maybe an article or a link of any sort? Was it a TV interview? I hate not knowing where quotes came from. :)

If he really did say this, then he owes a few players some major apologies. It is not up to him to decide who works hard enough, who deserves what, and who plays and thinks a certain way. It is one thing to not enjoy the "quality" (or lack thereof) of women's tennis, but it is another to publicly insult all women players.

I'd like to think that someone like Venus Williams would have quite the eloquent response to this ridiculous quote, but I don't think his series of statements even deserves a response. It's ignorant and pathetic that he would go off and say these things. No respect. :rolleyes:

Kworb
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:47 PM
It's not like men play best of 5 all the time. Only at Slams. And they earn double the prize money outside of Slams, for the same number of sets. :rolleyes:

Uranium
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:48 PM
Amelie Mauresmo i doubt is a pervert:o

slamchamp
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:50 PM
Amelie is such a great person, why would he say that?:mad:

mure
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:50 PM
Hi Ana. Are you friends with Rafael Nadal? Who are your friends on the WTA and ATP? -- Zainab Sairafi
Yes, we’re friends. I am friends with quite a few players, for example: Svetlana Kuznetsova, Daniela Hantuchova, Maria Kirilenko, Tatiana Golovin, Novak Djokovic, Janko Tipsarevic


who needs enemies,with friends like that janko guy?:help:

eck
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:51 PM
"99% of male tennis players can't stand women's tennis. There's no other sport with such a big disparity concerning level of play and the money women make. A friend of mine says that a woman who wins a Slam should only earn enough money to pay for her airplane ticket home. Who knows what else I would say if it wasn't for Ana and Jelena whom I may consider friends. But of course, I appreciate the effort they're putting into tennis, because I know they practise as hard as I do. [...] The way women think on court cannot be compared to men. Their only strategy is 'hit the ball where your opponent isn't.' Nothing more! No 'Put more spin on the ball, this is an important point, play to her backhand'. No way! [...] It's that such kind of tennis works today. Look at the Williams sisters, Sharapova or Ivanovic who hits the ball like a truck on steroids. I get a bit critical when I see how much the women earn and how their opening rounds go. That's what irritates me the most, I feel like going to WTA HQ and *something* all of them. Look at Federer who is so dominant, he has to work so hard to beat a Staracce or an Almagro, he may even lose a set and then look at Sharapova or Ivanovic who lose 3 games in the first 4 rounds. It makes me sick".

:o

Yes, so you hit the ball right back to Nadal and hope he comes back into the point and makes a winner :help:

shap_half
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:51 PM
:lol: I know. But he's still hot though.

Indeed. What a fucking shame.

Ksenia.
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:52 PM
wow, that's bad :tape:
Even if I was not a fan of women's tennis, I think I'd still find it very disrespectful :(
"Ana <...> whom I may consider friend" and then "Ivanovic who hits the ball like a truck on steroids". Is he healthy upstairs?

AndreConrad
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:53 PM
If Janko said that he's an idiot. He makes Serbia look like they live still in the 60s. He should better look on his own game and not look into someone elses business. People like him make me sick. I am sure he will require his wife to do his laundry and open his beer before she brings it to his couch. What I am talking about... he will drink beer from a can. Complete moron. Sorry for this emotional outburst but people like him give a bad name to all man!

AnnaK_4ever
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:53 PM
When your own career is a complete failure the easiest thing you could do is blaming other people. Especiially if they are not like you race-, nationality-, gender-, sexuality-wise etc.

sweetpeas
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:55 PM
He's made racist and sexist comments before.

Most non american,are back would!Their mother still walk behind their father!It" not happen here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

waterlily_021989
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:55 PM
"99% of male tennis players can't stand women's tennis. There's no other sport with such a big disparity concerning level of play and the money women make. A friend of mine says that a woman who wins a Slam should only earn enough money to pay for her airplane ticket home. Who knows what else I would say if it wasn't for Ana and Jelena whom I may consider friends. But of course, I appreciate the effort they're putting into tennis, because I know they practise as hard as I do. [...] The way women think on court cannot be compared to men. Their only strategy is 'hit the ball where your opponent isn't.' Nothing more! No 'Put more spin on the ball, this is an important point, play to her backhand'. No way! [...] It's that such kind of tennis works today. Look at the Williams sisters, Sharapova or Ivanovic who hits the ball like a truck on steroids. I get a bit critical when I see how much the women earn and how their opening rounds go. That's what irritates me the most, I feel like going to WTA HQ and *something* all of them. Look at Federer who is so dominant, he has to work so hard to beat a Staracce or an Almagro, he may even lose a set and then look at Sharapova or Ivanovic who lose 3 games in the first 4 rounds. It makes me sick".

:o

OMG....I can't believe he actually said that,he has absolutely no respect for women's tennis.

I do think men's tennis is better,but the things he said are so disrespectful:odidn't expect this from him

doujyr
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:57 PM
now we know how stepanek pulls all the girls - the rest of the men are pigs! :lol:

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:01 PM
now we know how stepanek pulls all the girls - the rest of the men are pigs! :lol:

:lol::help:

serenus_2k8
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:02 PM
OMG :tape:

Surely he cant insult equal pay and then say that Ana and JJ ''but as much work in2 tennis as he does'' WTF!! Total moron!!

Kworb
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:02 PM
Why can't they all be in touch with their feminine side like Dima :hearts:

Destiny
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:04 PM
I use to love him

Now i hate him so much

F**k off Janko . Dawn twat :rolleyes:

dybbuk
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:04 PM
What does a "truck on steriods" even mean? :shrug: Is that supposed to be an insult? :unsure:

SV_Fan
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:05 PM
OMG. Thats Cruel.

starin
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:06 PM
he's a megadouche.
he's made racist, homophobic, misogynistic comments before. He's just one of those guys whose stuck in 1945 mentality where "men were men" and "women were women". He's just immature and self centered. Which is surprising considering he's had a lot of exposure to the world but I guess some people have being a douchebag written in their DNA.

sweetpeas
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:06 PM
sorry,mean backward..

LCS
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:06 PM
:lol:

cocco80
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:08 PM
Janko, just grow up ...

I have a feeling those twats on MTF will love this.

Destiny
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:13 PM
He really shouldn't talk anymore!!11111!!!!11!!11

Pureracket
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:14 PM
Though this sounds believable, I always, ALWAYS like to see the source(especially since it's posted by devilish attitude).

LeonHart
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:15 PM
To an extent I agree with him that most girls just try to whack the ball as hard as they can with no strategy. But still...the way he said it with so much hate :o

V's a star
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:18 PM
who cares hes a GOOF who needs to get some fuckin contacts

Poiree
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:19 PM
Is there a source for this? Maybe an article or a link of any sort? Was it a TV interview? I hate not knowing where quotes came from. :)

If he really did say this, then he owes a few players some major apologies. It is not up to him to decide who works hard enough, who deserves what, and who plays and thinks a certain way. It is one thing to not enjoy the "quality" (or lack thereof) of women's tennis, but it is another to publicly insult all women players.

I'd like to think that someone like Venus Williams would have quite the eloquent response to this ridiculous quote, but I don't think his series of statements even deserves a response. It's ignorant and pathetic that he would go off and say these things. No respect. :rolleyes:

Though this sounds believable, I always, ALWAYS like to see the source(especially since it's posted by devilish attitude).

It's only in Serbian, but here is the link. And he did say all that :o

http://www.b92.net/zivot/licni_prostor.php?nav_id=306659

Kakve su teniserke iz muškog ugla? Da li je uopšte moguće napraviti stabilnu vezu sa ženom, pošto su teniseri stalno u pokretu?

Teniseri u 99 odsto slučajeva ne podnose ženski tenis. Ne postoji sport u kome muški deo toliko odskače kvalitetom od ženskog, kada se uzme u obzir koliko teniserke zarađuju. Moj prijatelj kaže: „Da se ja pitam, teniserki koja osvoji grend slem može da se plati avionska karta, i ništa više“. Da nemam Anu i Jelenu u svom životu kao, uslovno rečeno, prijateljice, ko zna šta bih ti sve napričao. Naravno, cenim i poštujem njihov trud jer ne treniraju ništa manje od mene. Kad sam bio junior, sa 16 godina, moj vršnjak i prijatelj Švajcarac trenirao je s Martinom Hingis mesec dana na pripremama. Ona je tada bila dominantna kao sada Federer, osvajala je sve živo, a za mesec dana nije mu uzela dva gema, a on je imao samo 16 godina. Stavljam na stranu to što žene serviraju brzinom od 160, a muškarci 220 km/h. To je druga stvar. Ali razmišljanje žena na teniskom terenu ne može da se poredi sa razmišljanjem muškaraca. Taktika teniserki je „udri tamo gde tvoja protivnica nije“. I ništa više! Ne postoji kod njih „ajde sad spin, sad je važan poen, digni malo, promeni na bekhend“... Neme šanse! To je samo „zatvori oči i sevaj iz sve snage na drugu stranu“. Što je najgore, danas se igra takav tenis i takve igračice prolaze. Pogledajte sestre Vilijams, Šarapovu, Anu Ivanović, koja udara kao kamion na steroidima. Iz sve snage - u drugu stranu! Malo sam kritičan prema tome kad pogledam koliko one zarađuju, a kako nosioci u ženskom tenisu prolaze prva kola. To me najviše nervira, dođe mi da odem u WTA i sve ih tamo... Obrati pažnju na prvi sledeći turnir i videćeš da sam u pravu. Gledam jednog Federera koji je toliko neprikosnoven, a mora da se oznoji sa jednim Staraćeom, Almagrom, pa se još desi i da izgubi set... Onda gledam Anu Ivanović ili Mariju Šarapovu koje izgube tri gema u četiri meča na turniru, ili bacim pogled na ženski žreb i vidim da je od prvih 16 na listi prošlo dalje njih 15, s tim što su ukupno izgubile 50 gemova. Sve zajedno! E, onda mi nije dobro... Veoma mi je drago što imam devojku koja razume moju profesiju. Trenutno je, uslovno rečeno, na poslu koji radi sama svoj šef i može da organizuje vreme da bismo mogli da budemo zajedno. I za ove dve i po godine, koliko smo u vezi, retko se dešava da smo razdvojeni duže od tri nedelje. Koristimo svaku priliku da budemo zajedno. Ona zna da ovakav život nije nimalo lagan, da 40 i kusur nedelja godišnje živim po hotelima i nadam se da će do kraja imati razumevanja za to.

cocco80
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:23 PM
I can confirm this is for real. I read the whole interview yesterday.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:24 PM
"they only hit where their opponents aren't" (paraphrase)....



i'm sorry but isn't that the whole point of tennis?? :o

gotthebend
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:28 PM
Hmm...he enjoys literature and philosophy and yet he's also a misogyny, a homophobe and a racist.
What a weird combo.:confused:

azdaja
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:35 PM
If Janko said that he's an idiot. He makes Serbia look like they live still in the 60s. He should better look on his own game and not look into someone elses business. People like him make me sick. I am sure he will require his wife to do his laundry and open his beer before she brings it to his couch. What I am talking about... he will drink beer from a can. Complete moron. Sorry for this emotional outburst but people like him give a bad name to all man!

He's made racist and sexist comments before.

Most non american,are back would!Their mother still walk behind their father!It" not happen here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
are you guys criticising janko for being a prejudiced bigot or making a parody of your own posts? :unsure:

VenusSerenaBlvd.
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:37 PM
I think Janko is hot and all. But he needs to keep his mouth shut. You know if this is true, the press will ask him about this all the time. And they will also ask some of the top female players about these comments. Fine, the matches in the women's early rounds are crap. But the fact is, the women train just as hard and practice just as hard as the men. Just watch, if he ever starts winning big titles or even majors - he will keep his mouth shut. He just wants to make more money than some of the top women's players and can't stand that they make more than him. Don't hate on them. It's just men and their stupid pride. Get over it!! If you don't like it, go to another sport.

Malva
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:38 PM
It's only in Serbian, but here is the link. And he did say all that :o

http://www.b92.net/zivot/licni_prostor.php?nav_id=306659



This is a very long interview where Tipsarević's views on WTA seem to take a back seat compared to a lot of other issues: Goethe, Schopenhauer, Dostoyevsky, a famous quote from Idiot, Nietsche...

It delights me to see this in an interview with a tennis player. I am intrigued. I'll try to work on it with a dictionary unless one of our Serbian friends can oblige with a translation of the whole interview.

Cp6uja
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:44 PM
This quotes in oppening post is actualy from his big interview for "Playboy" (Serbian Edition) where one paragraph is realy about comparation between ATP and WTA competition. I belive him when he says that he realy not following womans tennis so i think that is reason for most of stupidity which Janko says about womens tennis in this article. In that "WTA part" he simple try to be smart with some Macho-humor elements... but at end he just make himself to looks like jerk and nothing else. In rest of this article he is not offensive against anybody (he actualy have some strange theories about life or sport, but no racist or sexist comments).

AndreConrad
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:44 PM
are you guys criticising janko for being a prejudiced bigot or making a parody of your own posts? :unsure:

I understand that my post is emotional which I actually stated, however I think it is obvious that my post is a criticism of Janko's attitude. He is not only prejudiced but also doesn't understand the world and times he lives in. I don't believe that this upsets only people outside of Serbia but in his country as well. Now let me ask you since you posed this questions. What is your position on this type of statements?

rockstar
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:46 PM
i always thought he came across as a clever person, who knew...

he should really play more mixed doubles though ;)

Malva
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:48 PM
Oh, yes, I also just noticed that this interview was for Playboy.

Come on, folks, are you going to take seriously statements that appear in a magazine like Playboy? Don't be silly. I for one lost any interest in the matter.

I am out of this whole discussion...

stevos
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:49 PM
Well, he lost a fan.
I really liked him before, and he seemed like the type of guy that WOULDN'T say something like this.
Those glasses?

And yeah, Ana and Maria only lost a few games in the early rounds. :o

mb011
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:50 PM
i would really like to see a reliable source for this! i know he is an idiot, but i'd like to see some relevant links to this statement of his. 'cause this could gat him some really bad publicity here in serbia, as he is really considered to be nothing more then a playboy and a lazy bag, who likes to be seen on hot places in arms of different "models" and "tv faces", meaning some poor girls looking to be seen in the trash press...

this is the guy who said he was jealous of |Novak's success, and that this made him work hard again on his career. mind you this is the same guy that won junior AO in 2003, the same year jankovic won it. and where is jelena now, and where is he? i mean rerally, so, so sad to hear hiom say this. this is so disrispectfull from someone who still doesn't have a tittle to his name...

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:52 PM
Mugsarevic sucks

supergrunt
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:56 PM
obviously he's a loser like Gimlestob.

stevos
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:56 PM
What does a "truck on steriods" even mean? :shrug: Is that supposed to be an insult? :unsure:

:spit: True.

You know what was great? During the men's final, John McEnroe kept referencing the Women's final, comparing strategies from the Williams' to Roger and Nadal's. It made me really appreciative to see that someone like John didn't need to be so indifferent towards the women's game and take things from their final match to relate to possibly the greatest match/players of all time.

Brooklyn90
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:57 PM
I just lost all respect I had for him.

mb011
Jul 8th, 2008, 04:58 PM
this will not look good if someone prints this in any of the daily newspapers...

he is anyway being considered to be nothing but a big show-off.

supergrunt
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:00 PM
and why is he acting like he is the one who has to go out there and deal with the "depth" on the men's side to get to the final- he's not a slam contendor.

azdaja
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:00 PM
I understand that my post is emotional which I actually stated, however I think it is obvious that my post is a criticism of Janko's attitude. He is not only prejudiced but also doesn't understand the world and times he lives in. I don't believe that this upsets only people outside of Serbia but in his country as well. Now let me ask you since you posed this questions. What is your position on this type of statements?
i know your post was against janko, but i find it funny that people complain about bigotry while making posts like yours and the other one i quoted :lol:

janko should stfu. he has the right to have an opinion, even a negative and ignorant one (and he is far from being the only one who has such opinion on women's tennis as you can see on mtf), but he should express it in a more respectful way (not like an mtf poster). if he must. i don't really care what people who say stuff like that about women's tennis anyway.

stuff he apparently had said in the past was far worse, though :help:

incognito
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:03 PM
The only controversial line in that whole interview was the "truck on steroids" comment, everything else is just Janko giving very straight and very honest answers in a lengthy interview about tennis and life in general. As for dissing the WTA, well, it's a legitimate point of view. He's not the first nor last to say that ATP >> WTA. Now, whether one agrees with him on that point is a different matter...

stevos
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:08 PM
The only controversial line in that whole interview was the "truck on steroids" comment, everything else is just a person giving very straight and very honest answers in a lengthy interview about tennis and life in general. As for dissing the WTA, well, it's a legitimate point of view. He's not the first nor last to say that ATP >> WTA. Now, whether one agrees with him on that point is a different matter...

I take way more issue with the opening line.
99% of men don't respect womens tennis. Or something along those lines.

Some guy reading that sees that, thinks it's truth, and he has that in the back of his mind next time he says some Women's tennis on TV. He thinks every male player has the same views as Janko.
His whole blurb here is filled with bullshit and a lot of bitterness. Congrats, Tip, you ALMOST beat Federer at the Australian. We'll be looking at, uh, putting you in the Hall of Fame for that...it must hurt when his other countrywomen (and man) are tearing up the whole tour, and he can't contend shit.

mb011
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:12 PM
His whole blurb here is filled with bullshit and a lot of bitterness. Congrats, Tip, you ALMOST beat Federer at the Australian. We'll be looking at, uh, putting you in the Hall of Fame for that...it must hurt when his other countrywomen (and man) are tearing up the whole tour, and he can't contend shit.

that's exactly the point. he was always like this, 'cause when he was busy chasing chicks in tabloids someone else was busy training. and so you all know the source for this article is Playboy magazine! a real place to discuss tennis issues. nice going janko!

winone23
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:14 PM
Janko is a loser bum, who can't win a slam or make tennis history like Venus, Serena, Ana, and Maria. He's not even qualified to speak against these slam winners/international celebrities.

Whitehead's Boy
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:17 PM
Most players think women's tennis is a joke. The only difference between Krajicek, Tipsa, Medvedev and the rest of the tour is that they don't keep their bitching about women's tennis in the lockerroom.

Part of it is due to them being a bunch of misogynistic pigs. But, from their perspective, women's tennis is a joke, so it's a bit understandable.

AndreConrad
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:19 PM
i know your post was against janko, but i find it funny that people complain about bigotry while making posts like yours and the other one i quoted :lol:

janko should stfu. he has the right to have an opinion, even a negative and ignorant one (and he is far from being the only one who has such opinion on women's tennis as you can see on mtf), but he should express it in a more respectful way (not like an mtf poster). if he must. i don't really care what people who say stuff like that about women's tennis anyway.

stuff he apparently had said in the past was far worse, though :help:

Very thoughtful statement on your part. Nobody questions his or anybody's entitlement to an opinion, but once you state it you have to be prepared to defend it (not that I expect him to respond to our comments here :lol:). I also think that some opinions that could be acted upon are a threat to our way of life for the worse and as such they have to meet a verbal response. Now I point you back to my statement that the post was an emotional outburst which I still chose to post to express what kind of reactions statements like his cause. :wavey:

thetennistimes
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:20 PM
I think womens tennis is still not very strong. However Janko is just stupid!! He also doesnt know the difference between reality and his dreams!!!

stevos
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:21 PM
Yes, he's entitled to his opinion.
And I'm entitled to my opinion that I think he's a bigot and a pathetic bitch, who never want to see win a match again. I hope he's at the Roger's Cup, but sigh he'll probably lose first round. :(

njnetswill
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:24 PM
It's a shame because Janko is very fun to watch play.

winone23
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:25 PM
Most players think women's tennis is a joke. The only difference between Krajicek, Tipsa, Medvedev and the rest of the tour is that they don't keep their bitching about women's tennis in the lockerroom.

Part of it is due to them being a bunch of misogynistic pigs. But, from their perspective, women's tennis is a joke, so it's a bit understandable.

How is women's tennis a joke??? Some people are just brain dead ..................

In The Zone
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:26 PM
To be honest, I think the lower ranked men are the ones with the problems and qualms over women's tennis. They feel they are better ( which they are, but it is two totally different games ) and they make way less. To see Sharapova, Serena, Venus, and Ana do things that they could easily do annoys them.

And in Janko's case, he is clearly jealous and angry. Ana and Jelena are huge stars in Serbia and he is .. not.

I really do not like when men criticize the women's game, comparing it to the men's game. THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT GAMES. Different bodies, different strokes, different needs. It's like comparing a track runner's ability to a hockey player's. You can't do that. Get over it.

Slumpsova
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:27 PM
he was just jealous bc in the next few years even Natasia Zoric will make more money than him and she doesn't need to work her ass off like him in the past years.

The Daviator
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:29 PM
Never liked him, I guess this is how he makes the headlines since he can't do it with his tennis unlike Ana, Nole & JJ.

Expat
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:31 PM
I really do not like when men criticize the women's game, comparing it to the men's game. THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT GAMES. Different bodies, different strokes, different needs. It's like comparing a track runner's ability to a hockey player's. You can't do that. Get over it.
if they are 2 different games why get the same money and be played at the same venue then

Whitehead's Boy
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:31 PM
How is women's tennis a joke???

I don't know, ask 99% of ATP players.

I mean, okay, you guys can stop cheering for him. But all the other ATP players you will still cheer for think the same thing. Except they won't say it in the media.

okayawesome21
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:34 PM
I don't know, ask 99% of ATP players.

I mean, okay, you guys can stop cheering for him. But all the other ATP players you will still cheer for think the same thing. Except they won't say it in the media.

its okay...my favorite, federer, respects the womens game and has said that he is glad that they get equal pay because they deserve it...

Pureracket
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:35 PM
if they are 2 different games why get the same money and be played at the same venue thenThe fact that you, apparently, don't think women should be paid equally yet still post the majority of your posts to this forum probably answers the question.

The overall appeal and interest should factor in. I mean, you don't think they should get paid the same, yet you are wayyy more active here than you are in the mens tennis forum. You can't have it both ways.

AndreConrad
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:36 PM
if they are 2 different games why get the same money and be played at the same venue then

Many different games are played at this same venue and receiving similar rewards despite being completly different :shrug:

In The Zone
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:37 PM
if they are 2 different games why get the same money and be played at the same venue then

This is under the assumption that you feel men's tennis is greater than women's. For each sex, they are exerting themselves as much as they can and competing at their highest abilities. Are you saying that men, simply because of genetics, should be paid more for something uncontrolled? Not sure that would go over very well.

sfselesfan
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:37 PM
Why the f-k does he even care how much the women make?

SF

In The Zone
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:38 PM
The fact that you, apparently, don't think women should be paid equally yet still post the majority of your posts to this forum probably answers the question.

The overall appeal and interest should factor in. I mean, you don't think they should get paid the same, yet you are wayyy more active here than you are in the mens tennis forum. You can't have it both ways.

Exactly. To have people agree with this man on THIS board is absurd. Why are you even here? It makes no sense. They are here because they enjoy the game and can see the greatness. If it were a mess like Janko described, I doubt they'd waste their precious few internet minutes on a women's tennis forum.

Monica_Rules
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:39 PM
Hes a wanker from the comments hes made about people. Hes a bigot and a sexist.

I think this wimbledo has actually gone to show how the 2 tour have switches roles. Womens tennis now has a great matches in the first few rounds but with top players loosing then kinds rubish matches later on. Mens tennis now sees the top player hammer everyone then get tougher towards the end and the a great final. Like when chissy/marinta or steffi/monica used to play on the womens side. Fed didn;t drop a aset till the final and rafa lost 1:o

stevos
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:40 PM
I don't know, ask 99% of ATP players.

I mean, okay, you guys can stop cheering for him. But all the other ATP players you will still cheer for think the same thing. Except they won't say it in the media.

What's your agenda here?

winone23
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:42 PM
People who think like Janko and believe that women's tennis is a joke are wrong. Women sacrifice their bodies and minds just like the men. Women put their all into their matches just like the men do. Women train and put their bodies under tremendous stress, which leads to injuries, surgeries, and pain just like the men. So what's the joke, the injuries, surgeries, or pain???

Tennisation
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:45 PM
Janko's lucky that I find him hot:o

Whitehead's Boy
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:46 PM
What's your agenda here?

I don't have any agenda. My posts are entirely clear. Sportsmen think women's sport is a joke. Most keep their mouth shut about it in the media. The other 99% bitch about it in the lockerroom. There is nothing else to add.

In The Zone
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:47 PM
Hes a wanker from the comments hes made about people. Hes a bigot and a sexist.

I think this wimbledo has actually gone to show how the 2 tour have switches roles. Womens tennis now has a great matches in the first few rounds but with top players loosing then kinds rubish matches later on. Mens tennis now sees the top player hammer everyone then get tougher towards the end and the a great final. Like when chissy/marinta or steffi/monica used to play on the womens side. Fed didn;t drop a aset till the final and rafa lost 1:o

I feel this may be the case.

The top of the men's game is being dominated by two ( arguably three ) players who are so much better when compared to the rest of the field ( Similar to Monica/Graf, Nav/Evert, Serena/Venus, Martina/Lindsay, Kim/Justine ). But now, like recent years for the ATP, the women can compete early on. The depth is there.

Janko is upset that he can't make as much money when he feels he is better than these women. Just like a male sprinter may be faster than a female sprinter -- but they both get the same prize: A Gold Medal. Get over it Janko.

stevos
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:52 PM
I don't have any agenda. My posts are entirely clear. Sportsmen think women's sport is a joke. Most keep their mouth shut about it in the media. The other 99% bitch about it in the lockerroom. There is nothing else to add.

And you get this information from Janko Tipsarevic right?
Just checking.

Williamsser
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:53 PM
Why separate the women and men's tours? Why not combine them. Let women play men's tournaments, and let men play women's tournaments.

spriwi
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:56 PM
"an Almagro" :spit:

he may be partly right :shrug:

Expat
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:56 PM
The fact that you, apparently, don't think women should be paid equally yet still post the majority of your posts to this forum probably answers the question.

The overall appeal and interest should factor in. I mean, you don't think they should get paid the same, yet you are wayyy more active here than you are in the mens tennis forum. You can't have it both ways.
Ratings for tennis speak otherwise
What I am interested in doesn't count for shit if the majority thinks otherwise
I post on this board more because there is more drama to discuss and not tennis


Many different games are played at this same venue and receiving similar rewards despite being completly different :shrug:
Not the point I am making
but when two different sports are being played on the same venue
then the one sport which has more popularity will be scheduled better than the other
so if mens and womens tennis are different I see no reason for complaining jankovic being put on court 18 and williams sisters on court 2

This is under the assumption that you feel men's tennis is greater than women's. For each sex, they are exerting themselves as much as they can and competing at their highest abilities. Are you saying that men, simply because of genetics, should be paid more for something uncontrolled? Not sure that would go over very well.
Its not about genetics
If I see 2 chokers throwing errorfests all the time getting equal pay as a viewer I have a right to be indignant
women deserve equal pay if the quality of tennis or popularity is the same
for all i know they are losing on both counts

Whitehead's Boy
Jul 8th, 2008, 05:59 PM
And you get this information from Janko Tipsarevic right?
Just checking.

No, I get my information from living in the real world.

azdaja
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:01 PM
I also think that some opinions that could be acted upon are a threat to our way of life for the worse and as such they have to meet a verbal response. Now I point you back to my statement that the post was an emotional outburst which I still chose to post to express what kind of reactions statements like his cause. :wavey:
i don't see how saying that atp is better than wta threatens our way of life :lol: there is really no need for a reaction like that.

it's just stupid to compare men's and women's game in any sports. there is a reason why a man doesn't play against a woman and perhaps someone should inform janko about that :rolleyes: but men's athletes earn more and men's sports competitions are more popular in most sports. that is actually "our way of life". female tennis players (at least the ones at the top of the game) are actually lucky compared to other female athletes. and the ones at the top are extremely lucky compared to the lower-ranked ones. that would actually make a good starting point for a discussion about prize money, but whatever.

AndreConrad
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:08 PM
No, I get my information from living in the real world.

... and your world is the locker rooms of tennis players? :lol:

lavigne41
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:09 PM
I'd rather watch womens than mens anyway. Screw you Janko.

cocco80
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:10 PM
... and your world is the locker rooms of tennis players? :lol:

what a smelly and sweaty place this real world is. :lol:

In The Zone
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:12 PM
i don't see how saying that atp is better than wta threatens our way of life :lol: there is really no need for a reaction like that.

it's just stupid to compare men's and women's game in any sports. there is a reason why a man doesn't play against a woman and perhaps someone should inform janko about that :rolleyes: but men's athletes earn more and men's sports competitions are more popular in most sports. that is actually "our way of life". female tennis players (at least the ones at the top of the game) are actually lucky compared to other female athletes. and the ones at the top are extremely lucky compared to the lower-ranked ones. that would actually make a good starting point for a discussion about prize money, but whatever.

I agree.

But it is also stupid to complain about what people earn in a different sport. Let's say Venus won only 500,000$ and not the 1.2million or so. Would it change what Janko earned? No, it wouldn't have. It's pure jealousy and bitterness. Each tour brings different aspects to the game of tennis. The ATP does not provide more to the game of tennis than the WTA does and vice versa. They both promote it.

Dodoboy.
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:12 PM
Previous comments when he 1st arrived on tour.

"Agassi was my idol, but he really dissapointed me when he married Steffi." Asked to comment on Kournikova: "She isn't all that beautiful, it's just the other female players are just so ugly. I've never seen at least pretty tennis player, except Sabatini."
"I know there are some homosexual male players, but I try not to have any contact with them. And as for women, I know Mauresmo is a pervert."

:o:o

Jesus:o

stevos
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:14 PM
Okay, it was the last straw when he said shit about Momo! :fuckyoujanko: :imgoingtoeatyourchildren: :andMomowilltoo:

Marcelo.
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:19 PM
OMG :tape::help: Treat yourself you piece of s### !

A_S
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:22 PM
He may be expressing his views in a rather shitty way but he has a point at the heart of that. The top of womens tennis is brainless ball bashing and there is no room for subtlety or much thoughtful tennis. Thats a fact, its the way they play and yes, it is a great shame.

I can't understand why people seem to classify him as not being allowed an opinion because hes not a succesfull player. I am not a succesfull player but I'm still allowed an opinion, just like anyone else here...

Craig.
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:22 PM
Mariju Šarapovu? :tape: :lol:

Fuck off, Janko. You'd be lucky to have even half the career that these supposed 'trucks on steroids' (what the hell does that even mean?) have had and will continue to have.

AndreConrad
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:23 PM
i don't see how saying that atp is better than wta threatens our way of life :lol: there is really no need for a reaction like that.

it's just stupid to compare men's and women's game in any sports. there is a reason why a man doesn't play against a woman and perhaps someone should inform janko about that :rolleyes: but men's athletes earn more and men's sports competitions are more popular in most sports. that is actually "our way of life". female tennis players (at least the ones at the top of the game) are actually lucky compared to other female athletes. and the ones at the top are extremely lucky compared to the lower-ranked ones. that would actually make a good starting point for a discussion about prize money, but whatever.
Ugh... I so did not want to get into this discussion... of course you can't compare women and men sports, I did not see me making any comparisons. If you pay equal amount of money for something doesn't mean you are making a comparison, yet I still did not talk about money. If you ask me every sports player is overpaid, in fact everyone in entertainment industry is overpaid from the perspective of value delivered and yet I still go to sports and other events. If you believe that today's women tennis players are lucky then perhaps more women will want to be as lucky and tighten the competition. Every sport or a lot of things in life are cyclical, if you think WTA tennis is down then it will be up. If you think ATP is at its top well guess what...? ...All this from disagreeing with the disrespectful attitude from Janko :shrug:

harloo
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:23 PM
To be honest, I think the lower ranked men are the ones with the problems and qualms over women's tennis. They feel they are better ( which they are, but it is two totally different games ) and they make way less. To see Sharapova, Serena, Venus, and Ana do things that they could easily do annoys them.

And in Janko's case, he is clearly jealous and angry. Ana and Jelena are huge stars in Serbia and he is .. not.

I really do not like when men criticize the women's game, comparing it to the men's game. THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT GAMES. Different bodies, different strokes, different needs. It's like comparing a track runner's ability to a hockey player's. You can't do that. Get over it.

I don't think it's just the lower ranked male players. I was watching a Wimbledon preview special on The Tennis Channel and when equal prize money was discussed top players such as Nadal, Djokovic, Haas, etc. were adamant about their displeasure of the women receiving equal prize money during the slams.

I was a bit shell shocked by their responses and thought, "If they're saying this during a public interview, just imagine what the other men are saying behind closed doors". :eek::eek:

MaBaker
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:27 PM
Janko :lol:

Who cares about what he has to say anyway :shrug:

JAMESYBABY!
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:27 PM
Men ballbashers fuck me off,, it is boring ot watch when they are hittin the balll 1010101010110 mph where there is no rallys where as there are rallys in womens!

morbidangle
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:28 PM
Thats a bit harsh, but what he said about the lack of thinking on court is quite true actually.

Dodoboy.
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:29 PM
:spit: True.

You know what was great? During the men's final, John McEnroe kept referencing the Women's final, comparing strategies from the Williams' to Roger and Nadal's. It made me really appreciative to see that someone like John didn't need to be so indifferent towards the women's game and take things from their final match to relate to possibly the greatest match/players of all time.

John McEnroe is a class act. I really have acres of respect for him because he realises the effect the WS has had on the game espiecally in US, something that will take a lot of people a new generation of tennis players to realise.

okayawesome21
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:31 PM
John McEnroe is a class act. I really have acres of respect for him because he realises the effect the WS has had on the game espiecally in US, something that will take a lot of people a new generation of tennis players to realise.

i love mcenroe...you can tell he respects the womens game.

Slumpsova
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:33 PM
Thats a bit harsh, but what he said about the lack of thinking on court is quite true actually.
well i think when you are on the court, trying to hit the balls to no man's land is the smartest thing to do. i don't know why he was bitching about this :shrug:

Dodoboy.
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:33 PM
I can't believe 'the forgotten serbian' is such an idiot!

What a loser. He just wishes he could achieve what Maria, Ana and the WS have achieved.

No matter what sport you play what these girls have achieved is amazing something Janko will never have.

Atrixo
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:35 PM
What a freaking loser! Misogynist, racist, and homophobe. Quite the trifecta, Janko! I guess you must be so proud of your mediocre, male ass. Douchebag! :rolleyes:

I swear, the ATP is just a sorry collection of ignorant, bigoted asses. As if I couldn't stand men's tennis enough as it is, this pig has to come along and reinforce and confirm what I've felt all along. Thanks, Janko! You're the poster boy for the average, male tennis player. :tape:

Lunaris
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:38 PM
He may be expressing his views in a rather shitty way but he has a point at the heart of that. The top of womens tennis is brainless ball bashing and there is no room for subtlety or much thoughtful tennis. Thats a fact, its the way they play and yes, it is a great shame.

I can't understand why people seem to classify him as not being allowed an opinion because hes not a succesfull player. I am not a succesfull player but I'm still allowed an opinion, just like anyone else here...
Finally someone with brain in this thread. :yeah:

azdaja
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:39 PM
Ugh... I so did not want to get into this discussion... of course you can't compare women and men sports, I did not see me making any comparisons.
you did not really do it, janko did ;) and we agree that he said some very stupid things, so no big deal ;)

female tennis players are lucky compared to other female athletes, though, at least at the top level. not because i think they lack quality. it's just that they are getting more attention than other female athletes. do female football or basketball players deserve the same pay as their male counterparts? are people who say that men's football and basketball are better than the female versions of it sexist? this should give people some food for thought. work and talent are not always equally rewarded. unfortunately.

SharapovaFan16
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:40 PM
Majority of what Janko said is spot on. Either deal with it or cry about it. 95% of you are crying about it and throwing insults back his way. Sorry, but the mans points are legit.

PWNED!!!

mirzalover
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:45 PM
I think it evens out. We all know women are passed by for higher paying jobs, job position and many other things just because they are women. Women getting equal evens it out some to me, plus people bitching about prize money when their so called job is playing a fucking sport need to shut the fuck up. GET A REAL job working 9 to 5, 5-7 days a week and not be able to retire until your 50-60 then lets hear you bitch oh they dont play 5 sets and they make the SAME amount of money as I do. Be happy with fact your doing your dream job and getting paid a hell of alot of money for it.

stevos
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:46 PM
He may be expressing his views in a rather shitty way but he has a point at the heart of that. The top of womens tennis is brainless ball bashing and there is no room for subtlety or much thoughtful tennis. Thats a fact, its the way they play and yes, it is a great shame.

I can't understand why people seem to classify him as not being allowed an opinion because hes not a succesfull player. I am not a succesfull player but I'm still allowed an opinion, just like anyone else here...

Sorry, if someone's going to pollute their comments with all that garbage, I'm not going to go hunting for deeper points and meanings.
Why should we?
I listen to people who give their points in constructive ways. Not ego-boosting ways.

It's so frustrating to see people on this board agreeing with him too.
Sure, you can think that the quality of women's tennis sucks, whatever. But just to ascribe to the way this bigot acts says a lot about yourself.

serenus_2k8
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:46 PM
Majority of what Janko said is spot on. Either deal with it or cry about it. 95% of you are crying about it and throwing insults back his way. Sorry, but the mans points are legit.

PWNED!!!

And yet you have been posting on a Womens Tennis Forum for 4 years about such a useless sport? :tape:

PWNED!!!

stevos
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:47 PM
I think it evens out. We all know women are passed by for higher paying jobs, job position and many other things just because they are women. Women getting equal evens it out some to me, plus people bitching about prize money when their so called job is playing a fucking sport need to shut the fuck up. GET A REAL job working 9 to 5, 5-7 days a week and not able to retire until your 50-60 then lets hear you bitch oh they dont play 5 sets and they make the SAME amount of money as I do. Be happy with fact your doing your dream job and getting paid a hell of alot of money for it.

It's true. Tennis players are spoiled beyond belief.
Can you imagine playing tennis everyday and making millions for it?

:drool: :drool: :drool:

Tennis Fool
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:52 PM
Coming to a town near you:

The Justin and Janko show :rolleyes: :tape:

serenus_2k8
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:54 PM
Coming to a town near you:

The Justin and Janko show :rolleyes: :tape:

:haha: Perhaps Justin just faked the report to get the spotlight off him :lol: ???

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:54 PM
I can believe people liked him before :tape:

Mugsarevic´s game sucks nuts , complete garbage. An ordinary player without weapons

mirzalover
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:55 PM
It's true. Tennis players are spoiled beyond belief.
Can you imagine playing tennis everyday and making millions for it?

:drool: :drool: :drool:

I've been bitching to my parents for not starting me in tennis when I was 5 or something so i could go pro. Why did I start when I was 11:sad:

JadeFox
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:56 PM
I think it evens out. We all know women are passed by for higher paying jobs, job position and many other things just because they are women. Women getting equal evens it out some to me, plus people bitching about prize money when their so called job is playing a fucking sport need to shut the fuck up. GET A REAL job working 9 to 5, 5-7 days a week and not be able to retire until your 50-60 then lets hear you bitch oh they dont play 5 sets and they make the SAME amount of money as I do. Be happy with fact your doing your dream job and getting paid a hell of alot of money for it.

True. I never understood why people seem so...pissed at the idea of equal prize money anyway. It's not like the men are getting less and since the prize money in Slams usually goes up, they benefit as well.

And many of them are making way more than the average person anyways.

edificio
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:56 PM
Oh, yes, I also just noticed that this interview was for Playboy.

Come on, folks, are you going to take seriously statements that appear in a magazine like Playboy? Don't be silly. I for one lost any interest in the matter.

I am out of this whole discussion...

I don't understand your perspective. He gave the interview; he made the comments; he is responsible for them. It doesn't matter where his remarks were published. If he wants to talk crap like this to his buddies, no problem. Go ahead and be a misogynist and a racist (based on his other remarks). But do not make statements to the press like this unless you are willing to accept the consequences. The consequence for him is that he has lost this fan. Frankly, I don't think he even knows what he is talking about when he comments on the way the women in the WTA play. He's just talking from his backward, misogynist assumptions. And if I were Ana or Jelena, I'd definitely call him on his remarks.

He seemed like he might be a bit more interesting than the average tennis player with his proclaimed reading list; but a lot of misogyny comes from philosophy. Anyway, I'm thinking now that his intellect is all for show. His comments suggest that he resents the success of women. He may be able to get away with that in some places, no doubt.

I am no longer a fan. Sorry, Janko. You are a Neanderthal.

Also, I don't really understand this whole idea that women's tennis is bad and men's tennis is good. It is a different game, but the women put in just as much work as the men do. In professional basketball, you see the same attitude--the WNBA is seen as an inferior product because women play it. Anything women do is seen as inferior by some men (and some women), even here. [What I don't understand is people who seem to spend so many posts on hating the WTA. Why come here and do that? Get a life instead and find something you enjoy.] The women's game is to be enjoyed on its own merits. What is the point of comparisons? When I'm watching a women's tennis match, I don't think...oh, man, the men are so much better at this, no, instead I am enjoying the battle to hold serve and to break serve. In this last Wimbledon, I watched and enjoyed more women's matches than men's matches. The men's game was inevitable--everyone knew it would be Roger and Rafa in the final at Wimbledon before this year's tournament began. Consequently, the first 10 days was about swatting away the scrubs and flies and clearing a path for R and R. The women's game is much more volatile and changeable. There is more depth than in the past. There are easy matches in the opening rounds (as with the men), and there are upsets. Frankly, the ATP doesn't seem that deep, just look at the point difference between the top 3 and the rest.

Okay, I've said more than I intended.

Expat
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:56 PM
I can believe people liked him before :tape:

Mugsarevic´s game sucks nuts , complete garbage. An ordinary player without weapons
nadal feels the same as per harloo's post in this thread
ironically only federer feels they deserve it

number33
Jul 8th, 2008, 06:58 PM
such mediocre tennis player, talk like he knows everything :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Dodoboy.
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:02 PM
I've been bitching to my parents for not starting me in tennis when I was 5 or something so i could go pro. Why did I start when I was 11:sad:

Me too :(

I seriously believe i could have been good :angel:

But i would hate to play on the ATP.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:03 PM
nadal feels the same as per harloo's post in this thread
ironically only federer feels they deserve it

Nadal can feel that it is unfair if he wants , I have no problem with it cos he is a Champion .
I can not tolerate a nobody like Mugsarevic talking crap about the WTA cos he is a crappy tennis player

harloo
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:04 PM
Most players think women's tennis is a joke. The only difference between Krajicek, Tipsa, Medvedev and the rest of the tour is that they don't keep their bitching about women's tennis in the lockerroom.

Part of it is due to them being a bunch of misogynistic pigs. But, from their perspective, women's tennis is a joke, so it's a bit understandable.

:worship::worship:I've heard the sentiment for years of them hating women's tennis in general. Many of the media darlings save their anger for the locker room as not to appear sexist. And considering most of their sponsership dollars depend on image they have to be mindful of the many female tennis fans. But the more vocal and uncouth bunch have openly bashed women's tennis during their press conference interviews.-

serenus_2k8
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:04 PM
Me too :(

I seriously believe i could have been good :angel:

But i would hate to play on the ATP.

:lol: I wish I started when I was really young.

But Ill just wait til I'm married, have a daughter then push her into tennis so I get free tickets to CC :woohoo:

:haha:

stevos
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:05 PM
I've been bitching to my parents for not starting me in tennis when I was 5 or something so i could go pro. Why did I start when I was 11:sad:

Me too! Hah, yeah I went through a stage where I'd just be really upset at my rents for not sending me off to some training camp for my childhood.

I don't understand your perspective. He gave the interview; he made the comments; he is responsible for them. It doesn't matter where his remarks were published. If he wants to talk crap like this to his buddies, no problem. Go ahead and be a misogynist and a racist (based on his other remarks). But do not make statements to the press like this unless you are willing to accept the consequences. The consequence for him is that he has lost this fan. Frankly, I don't think he even knows what he is talking about when he comments on the way the women in the WTA play. He's just talking from his backward, misogynist assumptions. And if I were Ana or Jelena, I'd definitely call him on his remarks.

He seemed like he might be a bit more interesting than the average tennis player with his proclaimed reading list; but a lot of misogyny comes from philosophy. Anyway, I'm thinking now that his intellect is all for show. His comments suggest that he resents the success of women. He may be able to get away with that in some places, no doubt.

I am no longer a fan. Sorry, Janko. You are a Neanderthal.

Also, I don't really understand this whole idea that women's tennis is bad and men's tennis is good. It is a different game, but the women put in just as much work as the men do. In professional basketball, you see the same attitude--the WNBA is seen as an inferior product because women play it. Anything women do is seen as inferior by some men (and some women), even here. [What I don't understand is people who seem to spend so many posts on hating the WTA. Why come here and do that? Get a life instead and find something you enjoy.] The women's game is to be enjoyed on its own merits. What is the point of comparisons? When I'm watching a women's tennis match, I don't think...oh, man, the men are so much better at this, no, instead I am enjoying the battle to hold serve and to break serve. In this last Wimbledon, I watched and enjoyed more women's matches than men's matches. The men's game was inevitable--everyone knew it would be Roger and Rafa in the final at Wimbledon before this year's tournament began. Consequently, the first 10 days was about swatting away the scrubs and flies and clearing a path for R and R. The women's game is much more volatile and changeable. There is more depth than in the past. There are easy matches in the opening rounds (as with the men), and there are upsets. Frankly, the ATP doesn't seem that deep, just look at the point difference between the top 3 and the rest.

Okay, I've said more than I intended.

Great post. I totally agree with everything you've said here.
And yes, it did seem like all of the men's Wimbledon was a leadup to the final (which was incredible), but the women's even was much more spread out, like good stuff, exciting matches, could come from anywhere at any time.

stevos
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:08 PM
nadal feels the same as per harloo's post in this thread
ironically only federer feels they deserve it

Then I'm just as upset about Nadal feeling this way.
To be honest, Nadal doesn't seem like one who really ponders things deeply, well, he seems more like a lockerroom jock. Why should I listen to his views on Women's tennis, because he's accomplished? No.
But he didn't come out and give an interview like Tipsarevic's, so he's already a step better.

Dodoboy.
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:11 PM
:lol: I wish I started when I was really young.

But Ill just wait til I'm married, have a daughter then push her into tennis so I get free tickets to CC :woohoo:

:haha:

That's my dream right there!!

mirzalover
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:13 PM
:lol: I wish I started when I was really young.

But Ill just wait til I'm married, have a daughter then push her into tennis so I get free tickets to CC :woohoo:

:haha:



I've already started with my 18 month old nephew, his a addicted to my tennis racquets and balls. Just wait 17 years from now it wont be Uncle Toni its going to be Uncle Darris:lol:

LDVTennis
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:16 PM
Their only strategy is 'hit the ball where your opponent isn't.' Nothing more! No 'Put more spin on the ball, this is an important point, play to her backhand'. No way!


Someone had to say it.

But, he left out more than a few things...

Apoleb
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:16 PM
Everybody needs to relax. It's just an opinion at the end of the day on the Serbian version of playboy :help:. This whole thing doesn't deserve 10+ pages in like 1 hour.

Dodoboy.
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:17 PM
My lil cousin is getting a swingball set for her 4th bday :)

That is the best way to start IMO.

Bruno71
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:18 PM
Someone had to say it.

But, he left out more than a few things...

Such as the fact that most of the ATP players don't really "construct" points either. They just enter into neutral BH to BH rallies waiting for the right moment...to bash the ball. Women are just more efficient.

serenus_2k8
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:46 PM
I notice that gay men defend women's tennis, women's sports, and women's issues. Are gay men feminists?

Wow its great to see that since her retirement Henin fans are still fearlessly exploring new depths of stupidity.

Something ought to be done about these minorities striving for equality. I'm glad there is somebody with your intelligence stepping up to the task.

LDVTennis
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:48 PM
McEnroe only made one such reference and it was a bit of a stretch.

Find the reference. If I remember correctly, it had something to do with a slice serve. By definition, a slice serve to the Deuce court takes your opponent out wide to the right. There is no strategy in that, except perhaps the decision to hit it.

In the men's final, Rafa and Roger were doing more complicated things than hitting slice serves and hitting the return to the open court. Start with Rafa's passing shot strategy. That was brilliant.

As for McEnroe, be careful before you anoint him anything.

One year at the French Open, while providing TV commentary, he got into an argument with Tracy over Serena's weight. Tracy was talking around Serena's weight gain. John just came out and asked Tracy if by that she meant Serena was fat.

One more tidbit about John McEnroe.

For years, Martina Navratilova kept asking John to play mixed doubles with her at Wimbledon. For years, John turned her down with the excuse that he didn't play doubles anymore.

In 1999, however, he asked Steffi to play mixed doubles with him. It was typical John and it more than confirmed what many suspected was the real reason he had turned down Martina all those years. If John was going to play doubles again, he was only going to do it with a hot girl who made him look good and who still gave him every chance of winning. That was Steffi not Martina.

There is one more detail to this story. Steffi/John played Venus/Gimelstob in an early round match at the 1999 Wimbledon. Steffi/John won. In commenting on the match later for NBC, John kept gloating about the fact that Venus couldn't return his serve and that he had deliberately hit all kinds of spins against her to confuse her.

Yeah, that sounds like someone who truly respects women's tennis.





You know what was great? During the men's final, John McEnroe kept referencing the Women's final, comparing strategies from the Williams' to Roger and Nadal's. It made me really appreciative to see that someone like John didn't need to be so indifferent towards the women's game and take things from their final match to relate to possibly the greatest match/players of all time.

Bayo
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:52 PM
Tipsarevic is a nobody. Give me a ring when it's someone who matters.

Dodoboy.
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:55 PM
McEnroe only made one such reference and it was a bit of a stretch.

Find the reference. If I remember correctly, it had something to do with a slice serve. By definition, a slice serve to the Deuce court takes your opponent out wide to the right. There is no strategy in that, except perhaps the decision to hit it.

In the men's final, Rafa and Roger were doing more complicated things than hitting slice serves and hitting the return to the open court. Start with Rafa's passing shot strategy. That was brilliant.

As for McEnroe, be careful before you anoint him anything.

One year at the French Open, while providing TV commentary, he got into an argument with Tracy over Serena's weight. Tracy was talking around Serena's weight gain. John just came out and asked Tracy if by that she meant Serena was fat.

One more tidbit about John McEnroe.

For years, Martina Navratilova kept asking John to play mixed doubles with her at Wimbledon. For years, John turned her down with the excuse that he didn't play doubles anymore.

In 1999, however, he asked Steffi to play mixed doubles with him. It was typical John and it more than confirmed what many suspected was the real reason he had turned down Martina all those years. If John was going to play doubles again, he was only going to do it with a hot girl who made him look good and who still gave him every chance of winning. That was Steffi not Martina.

There is one more detail to this story. Steffi/John played Venus/Gimelstob in an early round match at the 1999 Wimbledon. Steffi/John won. In commenting on the match later for NBC, John kept gloating about the fact that Venus couldn't return his serve and that he had deliberately hit all kinds of spins against her to confuse her.

Yeah, that sounds like someone who truly respects women's tennis.

Serena probz was fat :o

Although the last bit does incriminate him but it is more in the way you write it than what actually happened.

Malva
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:58 PM
I notice that gay men defend women's tennis, women's sports, and women's issues. Are gay men feminists?

The ones I know are.

Wow its great to see that since her retirement Henin fans are still fearlessly exploring new depths of stupidity.


What's stupid in that post?

mirzalover
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:00 PM
McEnroe only made one such reference and it was a bit of a stretch.

Find the reference. If I remember correctly, it had something to do with a slice serve. By definition, a slice serve to the Deuce court takes your opponent out wide to the right. There is no strategy in that, except perhaps the decision to hit it.

In the men's final, Rafa and Roger were doing more complicated things than hitting slice serves and hitting the return to the open court. Start with Rafa's passing shot strategy. That was brilliant.

As for McEnroe, be careful before you anoint him anything.

One year at the French Open, while providing TV commentary, he got into an argument with Tracy over Serena's weight. Tracy was talking around Serena's weight gain. John just came out and asked Tracy if by that she meant Serena was fat.

One more tidbit about John McEnroe.

For years, Martina Navratilova kept asking John to play mixed doubles with her at Wimbledon. For years, John turned her down with the excuse that he didn't play doubles anymore.

In 1999, however, he asked Steffi to play mixed doubles with him. It was typical John and it more than confirmed what many suspected was the real reason he had turned down Martina all those years. If John was going to play doubles again, he was only going to do it with a hot girl who made him look good and who still gave him every chance of winning. That was Steffi not Martina.

There is one more detail to this story. Steffi/John played Venus/Gimelstob in an early round match at the 1999 Wimbledon. Steffi/John won. In commenting on the match later for NBC, John kept gloating about the fact that Venus couldn't return his serve and that he had deliberately hit all kinds of spins against her to confuse her.

Yeah, that sounds like someone who truly respects women's tennis.



Steffi and hot? Of course he wasnt going to play with someone he didnt think he could win with, who would.:rolleyes:

Expat
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:00 PM
cost of tickets in wimbledon

For quarter-finals, it's £1,100 for the women and £1,995 for the men. For semi-finals, it's £1,395 and £2,750. And for the finals it's £1,850 and £2,990.

I am all for equal pay if you deserve it
But if you play less sets and / or less quality of tennis you deserved to be paid less
Nothing sexist about it
Imagine a woman works for 6 hours while a man works for 8 hours a day
and delivers less amount of work in comparison to the man yet gets equal pay
Isn't it sexist towards the man

Whitehead's Boy
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:01 PM
McEnroe probably doesn't think much of women's tennis. He has a commentator job, so he's not in the position to say what he really feels about it.

But, he's usually fair.

sharapovarulz1
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:01 PM
Shut up Janko you ugly freak!

stevos
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:06 PM
You're wrong.
I counted at least three times that McEnroe made reference to the Women's final, and this was before the last rain delay, where I then had to go to Wimbledon Live, since my tape hadn't taped enough to get the whole men's final.

I was just trying to say that a commentator was able to make this reference, and give some relation between the two games, which is something I really don't often see, so it's progress.
I wasn't trying to say McEnroe is a saint. :weirdo: Umm, but thank you for that in-depth review of McEnroe's past.

LDVTennis
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:09 PM
Such as the fact that most of the ATP players don't really "construct" points either. They just enter into neutral BH to BH rallies waiting for the right moment...to bash the ball. Women are just more efficient.

No, that's not it.

In the men's final, Rafa attacked Roger's backhand because it is a good play against Roger. It limits Roger's options, it induces Roger to make errors, and it also opens up the rest of the court for Rafa's forehand.

Plus, the men don't bash the ball. Most of the men's rallies don't involve balls hit to the middle of the court where most of the bashing in the women's game takes place. Most of the men's rallies also don't feature such one-dimensional play from the backhand side where most of the bashing in the women's game takes place.

By and large, the men keep the ball in rallies out of the middle of the court. There are too many good forehands in the men's game to risk anything else. The men are also better off both sides of angling the ball with both topspin and slice out of the middle of the court. Furthermore, the men don't resort to such one-dimensional play from the backhand side because most of the men can slice effectively from that side and most prefer to run around the backhand anyway to hit inside-in or inside-out.

Look at the men's final between Rafa and Roger. Everything that makes men's tennis so good is there. Then, look at the women's final. Everything that makes women's tennis so mediocre is also there. From a strategic standpoint, there is nothing standing in the way of the women playing more like the men. But, they don't and that is telling in more ways than one.

Malva
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:16 PM
I don't understand your perspective. He gave the interview; he made the comments; he is responsible for them. It doesn't matter where his remarks were published. If he wants to talk crap like this to his buddies, no problem. Go ahead and be a misogynist and a racist (based on his other remarks). But do not make statements to the press like this unless you are willing to accept the consequences. The consequence for him is that he has lost this fan.


I do not consider an interview with a magazine like Playboy to be 'a statement to the press'. I don't even consider Playboy to be a press. I think that its only connection to tennis is a naked bottom of Ashley Harkleroad.

So to discuss in all seriousness what has been printed in Playboy and to do this in this forum seems to me to be simply grotesque.

It certainly carries no more weight for me than printing what somebody overheard in men's locker room.

LDVTennis
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:17 PM
Serena probz was fat :o

Although the last bit does incriminate him but it is more in the way you write it than what actually happened.

It was Martina N. herself in her commentary role for HBO that year, who told the story of how she had asked John for years to play mixed doubles with her.

So, there was something different about Steffi. Maybe, only John knows what that was.

As for the stuff he said about Venus, this was around the time that he kept challenging Venus and Serena to a match. So, he definitely had a chip on his shoulder about them at the time.

Coffee&TV
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:20 PM
:lol: I know. But he's still hot though.

:hearts:

but still :weirdo:

LDVTennis
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:24 PM
Steffi and hot? Of course he wasnt going to play with someone he didnt think he could win with, who would.

On the court, moving and playing like she did, with that body, she was hot. I guess you had to be there, like Andre Agassi was.

Bruno71
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:28 PM
No, that's not it.

In the men's final, Rafa attacked Roger's backhand because it is a good play against Roger. It limits Roger's options, it induces Roger to make errors, and it also opens up the rest of the court for Rafa's forehand.

Plus, the men don't bash the ball. Most of the men's rallies don't involve balls hit to the middle of the court where most of the bashing in the women's game takes place. Most of the men's rallies also don't feature such one-dimensional play from the backhand side where most of the bashing in the women's game takes place.

By and large, the men keep the ball in rallies out of the middle of the court. There are too many good forehands in the men's game to risk anything else. The men are also better off both sides of angling the ball with both topspin and slice out of the middle of the court. Furthermore, the men don't resort to such one-dimensional play from the backhand side because most of the men can slice effectively from that side and most prefer to run around the backhand anyway to hit inside-in or inside-out.

Look at the men's final between Rafa and Roger. Everything that makes men's tennis so good is there. Then, look at the women's final. Everything that makes women's tennis so mediocre is also there. From a strategic standpoint, there is nothing standing in the way of the women playing more like the men. But, they don't and that is telling in more ways than one.

Rafa & Roger are exceptional players. But in a typical ATP match though? It's exactly as I describe. Sure, they don't want to hit to the middle of the court, because they're too afraid to be the one to give up the neutrality of the point and let the opponent bash the ball first. But it's certainly not "constructing" a point...whether or not we find it better than what the women do wasn't my aim to discover.

stevos
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:32 PM
No, that's not it.

In the men's final, Rafa attacked Roger's backhand because it is a good play against Roger. It limits Roger's options, it induces Roger to make errors, and it also opens up the rest of the court for Rafa's forehand.

Plus, the men don't bash the ball. Most of the men's rallies don't involve balls hit to the middle of the court where most of the bashing in the women's game takes place. Most of the men's rallies also don't feature such one-dimensional play from the backhand side where most of the bashing in the women's game takes place.

By and large, the men keep the ball in rallies out of the middle of the court. There are too many good forehands in the men's game to risk anything else. The men are also better off both sides of angling the ball with both topspin and slice out of the middle of the court. Furthermore, the men don't resort to such one-dimensional play from the backhand side because most of the men can slice effectively from that side and most prefer to run around the backhand anyway to hit inside-in or inside-out.

Look at the men's final between Rafa and Roger. Everything that makes men's tennis so good is there. Then, look at the women's final. Everything that makes women's tennis so mediocre is also there. From a strategic standpoint, there is nothing standing in the way of the women playing more like the men. But, they don't and that is telling in more ways than one.

Okay first of all, it wouldn't have offended me so much if Janko had simply said that he thought there wasn't quite enough strategy in the womens game, and that they sometimes bash the ball too much. Wooohoo, we've heard it before, whatever.
It's the fact he treats these women, and talks about them, the way he does.

And second of all, you don't think the women attack the other player's side that will win them the most points? You actually think they are brain dead out there?
I'm through with you, I mean you just give these arguments for how Men's tennis is so strategical, with no criticism of their game, and you think ALL of women's tennis plays one single, simple game where they go out thinking "Okay, I'll hit my first, second, third, and gosh I guess if it ever gets to a fourth, shot as hard as I can right at my opponent."
You're too far gone.

Max565
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:35 PM
:rolleyes:@ the ppl who even vaguely agree with him. I know we're all entitled to our opinion and freedom of speech and all that crap... but why are you here and wasting your time?

But, what the hell does he mean by 'thoughtful'? When I see Venus or Lindsay serve a hard body serve to an opponent standing close to the baseline, I see that as 'thoughtful'. When I see Maria employing the dropshot on clay with the wind blowing, it's 'thoughtful', imo. When I see Venus or Serena stand close to the baseline to return an opponent's weak second serve, that's thoughtful too. Plus, women's tennis players also have the ability to hit and attack an opponent's weaker side.

Dodoboy.
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:36 PM
Why is Wimbledon mens final 2008 used as the model for ATP because i can safely say IT IS NOT always that good or even close.

Most of the time it is exactly how Bruno described!

Dodoboy.
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:38 PM
Ivo Karlovic is at leading the front on 'thoughtful tennis' :hearts:

Emina.
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:38 PM
idiot.

Kunal
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:49 PM
most of it wasnt necessary

but he does have a point about how easy the girls have it in the first few rounds

having said that it has started to get a lil more tougher than what it used to be

Stamp Paid
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:53 PM
That tatooed pierced cockeyed sissy. I hate men that hate on women. Its just not a good look.

Mightymirza
Jul 8th, 2008, 09:00 PM
I've already started with my 18 month old nephew, his a addicted to my tennis racquets and balls. Just wait 17 years from now it wont be Uncle Toni its going to be Uncle Darris:lol:

U r a male again? Last time you said you were a girl :lol: the gender changes faster than Serenas Haircolor!

stevos
Jul 8th, 2008, 09:04 PM
That tatooed pierced cockeyed sissy. I hate men that hate on women. Its just not a good look.

Ugly as fuckery!

*puke

Marshmallow
Jul 8th, 2008, 09:06 PM
I really can't believe some people are actually arguing that tactics are rare on the WTA. I remember when I watched a slow footed Serena dismantle Jelena Jankovic at the AO in 2007, by cleverly mixing up her pace, feeding Jelena very little pace to manouver her around the court, then blasting a winner when an openning was created (all most likely because Jelena absorbs pace well and at least then struggled to generate a great deal of her own), or the way Mauresmo feed high bouncing balls to Henin's backhand keeping her behind the baseline and inhibiting her chance to attack of that wing before attacking herself, or when Lindsay always keeps feeding balls to Venus' forehand as that's the side most likely to break down, to poorly describe a few matches are all examples of tactical thinking. It's hardly ballbashing into the middle of court, only a few players do that, i.e. Sharapova and they have been exposed on numerous occassions.

The mens final was great drama, but I think Rafa is getting too much credit for his tactics. Like the RG final he served mostly to federer backhand, and mostly approached on federers backhand to create open spaces from which to hit winner. The general tactic was hit to federer backhand with lots of topspin ofcourse and that was pretty much it, as illustrated by his first match point loss. WTA players do this sort of thing to Venus all the time. It was hardly a display of tactical genius.

Marshmallow
Jul 8th, 2008, 09:17 PM
Ivo Karlovic is at leading the front on 'thoughtful tennis' :hearts:

And Roddick being ATP equivalent of Stephen Hawkins.

I don't watch a lot of his matches because I can't stand the sight of him, but I've never really seen Djokvoic employ clever tactics. He tends to reply to being more solid than his opponent from the baseline. In fact I sometimes think to myself that the ATP is turning into a bit of a factory, specialising in bi serving baseliners. They can slice, and volley, but only use these occassionally when they have to (not because men have a technical genius either, but the extra natural power is a handy help). Cilic, Gulbis, Djok, Isner, Ancic... they are all so similar to me. But maybe it's just me.

Dav.
Jul 8th, 2008, 09:28 PM
:rolleyes:@ the ppl who even vaguely agree with him. I know we're all entitled to our opinion and freedom of speech and all that crap... but why are you here and wasting your time?

But, what the hell does he mean by 'thoughtful'? When I see Venus or Lindsay serve a hard body serve to an opponent standing close to the baseline, I see that as 'thoughtful'. When I see Maria employing the dropshot on clay with the wind blowing, it's 'thoughtful', imo. When I see Venus or Serena stand close to the baseline to return an opponent's weak second serve, that's thoughtful too. Plus, women's tennis players also have the ability to hit and attack an opponent's weaker side.

Why is Wimbledon mens final 2008 used as the model for ATP because i can safely say IT IS NOT always that good or even close.

Most of the time it is exactly how Bruno described!

Exactly! Great posts.

And about the gays being feminist thing, first of all, that's extremely rude to generalize like that. I'm a straight male and completely disagree with Tipsarevic. I rarely watch a full ATP match and have been obsessed with the WTA since I was seven. I think the women of the tour are being extremely unfairly treated and many sexist comments have surfaced since (a well-deserved) equal pay was distributed. I've never seen so many guys be so ignorant and insecure before and all I can say is that I'm glad that I'm not like that. Women deserve the same amount of respect as men and tennis is a perfect example of this. WTA matches are just as (usually more) exciting, attract great crowds at all levels and in recent years have overtaken the men in TV ratings on various occasions. It's time for the men of the ATP Tour and all tennis fans to realize this and give the women the respect and thanks they deserve for what they do for tennis.

clementine
Jul 8th, 2008, 09:29 PM
Why is Janko posing for Playboy?

AnnaK_4ever
Jul 8th, 2008, 09:45 PM
Tipsarevic is a bigger bitch than WTA Top-20 players altogether.
And when a male bitch is bitching about women it's just... sad.

hankqq
Jul 8th, 2008, 09:50 PM
Unfortunately, not all, but a lot of male athletes are sexist, misogynist pigs. There are countless examples of statements like these made all the time, and it's so common that they become accepted. I'm sure a lot of other ATP players share Tipsarevic's views, but that doesn't make them right. I am a fan of both men's and women's tennis, and I can tell you that I've seen many a bad ATP match. Federer and Nadal set the standard and put on incredible displays, but most of the ATP matches are nowhere near this good.

The male players go through the same choking, unforced errors and questionable strategies that the women go through, but because they're men "it's better".:rolleyes: If men's tennis is so much better, why are 2 players dominating, with only a 3rd player sticking his nose in the mix? The rest of the ATP players are generally their bitches who can't match them on a consistent basis. Yes, a lot of the men can hit harder and run faster, but their techniques and mentality aren't any better than the women's. Is someone like Blake or Gasquet more mentally tough than Serena or Sharapova? Hell no! Is a Mardy Fish or Justin Gimelstob a better athlete than a Mauresmo or Dementieva? Hell no!

Throughout history, women's sports get a bad rap when compared to men's sports. It's unfortnate, but that's how it is. I applaud the male players who say they like/respect women's tennis.

Another comment is the whole idea of a lack of strategy in the women's game. It's really getting old. Just because you hit the ball hard, it doesn't mean you hit without thinking. These players, male AND female, know exactly where they want to hit the ball. They know their opponent's strengths and weaknesses, even if they tell the press they're just focusing on themselves. Of course, variety is a good strategy, but there aren't many men who vary every shot either.

Can I just ask our Serbian posters here-how are Djokovic, Ivanovic, Jankovic and Tipsarevic treated by the press in your country? Do they only receive praise, or are they criticized if they say something stupid?

I'm wondering because I have a feeling this story will just go away and all will be forgotten until the next time. Sure, we are singling out Tipsarevic today, but he's certainly not the first ATP player to say something controversial, and he won't be the last...:banghead:

In the meantime, I would love for Navratilova and BJK to get a hold of this and go after him with guns ablaze! :armed: :lol:

Optima
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:07 PM
I want bitch Martina to come out if she reads this :hearts:

Marshmallow
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:10 PM
For the record can someone please post the racist comments he made. I don't need a link, I'm very trusting :D.

I feel so unclean for supporting him before. :soobing: I had excused the homophobic comments a bit and put them down to immaturity, though calling Mauresmo a pervert :help: :tape: :o She is owed an apology. I look forward to celebrating his losses.

hablo
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:10 PM
"99% of male tennis players can't stand women's tennis. There's no other sport with such a big disparity concerning level of play and the money women make. A friend of mine says that a woman who wins a Slam should only earn enough money to pay for her airplane ticket home. Who knows what else I would say if it wasn't for Ana and Jelena whom I may consider friends. But of course, I appreciate the effort they're putting into tennis, because I know they practise as hard as I do. [...] The way women think on court cannot be compared to men. Their only strategy is 'hit the ball where your opponent isn't.' Nothing more! No 'Put more spin on the ball, this is an important point, play to her backhand'. No way! [...] It's that such kind of tennis works today. Look at the Williams sisters, Sharapova or Ivanovic who hits the ball like a truck on steroids. I get a bit critical when I see how much the women earn and how their opening rounds go. That's what irritates me the most, I feel like going to WTA HQ and *something* all of them. Look at Federer who is so dominant, he has to work so hard to beat a Staracce or an Almagro, he may even lose a set and then look at Sharapova or Ivanovic who lose 3 games in the first 4 rounds. It makes me sick".

:o

What a sexist bigot. Ugh, I'll never cheer for him. Not that I ever did... :rolleyes:

hankqq
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:12 PM
I have the feeling he does this a lot...

http://cornedbeefhash.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/janko-tipsarevic-hookah.jpg

hablo
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:13 PM
Previous comments when he 1st arrived on tour.

"Agassi was my idol, but he really dissapointed me when he married Steffi." Asked to comment on Kournikova: "She isn't all that beautiful, it's just the other female players are just so ugly. I've never seen at least pretty tennis player, except Sabatini."
"I know there are some homosexual male players, but I try not to have any contact with them. And as for women, I know Mauresmo is a pervert."

:o:o

What an :weirdo::fiery:

Viktymise
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:16 PM
Who cares what Wanko Tipsarsevic thinks anyway. He's just a wannabe. Even his "zany" press conferences bore me.

dylan24
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:19 PM
tips is right.
its a joke women get as much money as men.

mirzalover
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:21 PM
U r a male again? Last time you said you were a girl :lol: the gender changes faster than Serenas Haircolor!

No. At one point me and my cousin used this account. The early early post that had horrible broken english was her.:lol:

Danči Dementia
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:22 PM
excatly he is just wannabe......:ras:
If Federer would have said this....I wouldn´t have any problem but Janko said it and he is not even top ten....what a a bitch:o

Danči Dementia
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:23 PM
He is hot though :angel:

MagicMilan
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:25 PM
You are a tool, Janko :o

Malva
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:26 PM
Unfortunately, not all, but a lot of male athletes are sexist, misogynist pigs.


I agree, it would be better for us at this forum if all male athletes were sexist, misogynist pigs...

Unfortunately, not all, ...

hankqq
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:35 PM
I agree, it would be better for us at this forum if all male athletes were sexist, misogynist pigs...

Unfortunately, not all, ...


smartass! :p:kiss:

You know what I meant:lol:

LudwigDvorak
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:55 PM
I have the feeling he does this a lot...

http://cornedbeefhash.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/janko-tipsarevic-hookah.jpg

Too bad he's gorgeous. :sad:

Apoleb
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:57 PM
Too bad he's gorgeous. :sad:

I know, right. Still can admire his looks no matter what he thinks. I think I'll put him back in my avi with a "I like him only because he's hot".

Cakeisgood
Jul 8th, 2008, 11:03 PM
Proof or Source?

mirzalover
Jul 8th, 2008, 11:06 PM
Proof or Source?

Its in here a couple times.

#1SteffiGraf#1
Jul 8th, 2008, 11:10 PM
Maybe he should look deeper as to why women make so much. Maybe tennis is more of a women's sport. Maybe he should play football or basketball instead of complaining.

the women get under-paid imo.

MisterMan
Jul 8th, 2008, 11:17 PM
Does this guy realize Federer did not drop a SET until the finals of this Wimbledon ?
LoL !! And he played three sets each round. What's he talking about ? How is that different than the top 3 women cruising in the early rounds ??

OsloErik
Jul 9th, 2008, 12:24 AM
But they don't earn the same. On the money list, let's do a comparison of a couple key #'s.

#1 Man: Rafael Nadal, 5,486,324
#1 Woman: Ana Ivanovic, 2,521,156

#10 Man: Nicolas Almagro, 765,322
#10 Woman: Vera Zvonareva, 749,161

#25 Man: Tommy Robredo, 544,270
#25 Woman: Casey Dellacqua, 408,125

#50 Man: Marin Cilic, 384,855
#50 Woman: Sybille Bammer, 242,832


It is only at 5 tournaments a year that women make as much as men. At every other event, in which they play the same amount, women get dramatically less money. It's also worth noting that all the women on this list besides Ivanovic play significant amounts of doubles, while only Nadal and Robredo have over 100,000 in doubles money.

The arguments about equal prize money are so petty at this point. The men are still being paid more than the women, just not for the events where they feel they most deserve it. But at the end of the year, the #1 man earns about twice as much as the #1 woman.

ALSO, the main reason the lower half of the top 10 women and men are so close is due to the sheer dominance of the Big Three in men's tennis. When there are three men with over 3 million dollars this year playing, it's harder for the rest to make as much as they did in, say, 2002. But move down a couple slots and you'll see the numbers even out again.

Natash.
Jul 9th, 2008, 12:32 AM
Too bad he's gorgeous. :sad:

I know, right? :sobbing:

Reuchlin
Jul 9th, 2008, 12:33 AM
To win on the ATP tour all you need is a good serve (see Karlovic)-- now that's a total joke.

In The Zone
Jul 9th, 2008, 12:33 AM
OsloErik, yet another great post. Which proves Janko is not talking about the tour but the Williams Sisters, Maria, and Ana. He is envious of their money.

OsloErik
Jul 9th, 2008, 12:37 AM
OsloErik, yet another great post. Which proves Janko is not talking about the tour but the Williams Sisters, Maria, and Ana. He is envious of their money.

Care to elaborate? I didn't quite get that.

In The Zone
Jul 9th, 2008, 12:43 AM
Care to elaborate? I didn't quite get that.

You proved that there is not equal pay. Equal pay is only a factor in the Slams ( and Miami ). And who is a factor in the Slams and Miami? The Williams Sisters, Sharapova, and Ivanovic -- "the trucks on steroids". If you look at the prize money the ATP offers, the WTA is a joke. It is so sad that the WTA offers the miniscule $140,000 for a Tier IV when compared to the ATP.

Janko is talking to the elite of the game. Venus took home the same as Nadal. That is who he is talking to and about.

J-e-a-l-o-u-s.

OsloErik
Jul 9th, 2008, 12:45 AM
You proved that there is not equal pay. Equal pay is only a factor in the Slams ( and Miami ). And who is a factor in the Slams and Miami? The Williams Sisters, Sharapova, and Ivanovic -- "the trucks on steroids". If you look at the prize money the ATP offers, the WTA is a joke. It is so sad that the WTA offers the miniscule $140,000 for a Tier IV when compared to the ATP.

Janko is talking to the elite of the game. Venus took home the same as Nadal. That is who he is talking to and about.

J-e-a-l-o-u-s.

OH! thank you, I hadn't thought to look at it that way. That's interesting.

Expat
Jul 9th, 2008, 12:47 AM
But they don't earn the same. On the money list, let's do a comparison of a couple key #'s.

#1 Man: Rafael Nadal, 5,486,324
#1 Woman: Ana Ivanovic, 2,521,156

#10 Man: Nicolas Almagro, 765,322
#10 Woman: Vera Zvonareva, 749,161

#25 Man: Tommy Robredo, 544,270
#25 Woman: Casey Dellacqua, 408,125

#50 Man: Marin Cilic, 384,855
#50 Woman: Sybille Bammer, 242,832


It is only at 5 tournaments a year that women make as much as men. At every other event, in which they play the same amount, women get dramatically less money. It's also worth noting that all the women on this list besides Ivanovic play significant amounts of doubles, while only Nadal and Robredo have over 100,000 in doubles money.

The arguments about equal prize money are so petty at this point. The men are still being paid more than the women, just not for the events where they feel they most deserve it. But at the end of the year, the #1 man earns about twice as much as the #1 woman.

ALSO, the main reason the lower half of the top 10 women and men are so close is due to the sheer dominance of the Big Three in men's tennis. When there are three men with over 3 million dollars this year playing, it's harder for the rest to make as much as they did in, say, 2002. But move down a couple slots and you'll see the numbers even out again.

in fact it makes the point even more clear
when the men and women play separately and in 3 sets the women get much less
then why suddenly for the sake of political correctness should they be given equal pay at a stage where they play less and are less popular as evidenced by ratings and ticket prices

RandomShot
Jul 9th, 2008, 12:49 AM
I really liked him before, and he seemed like the type of guy that WOULDN'T say something like this.

I felt more or less the same way. Bit of a shame really.

If he was putting his energy into his game instead of comments like these he'd be doing better than being on the fringe of top 40.

Bruno71
Jul 9th, 2008, 12:54 AM
in fact it makes the point even more clear
when the men and women play separately and in 3 sets the women get much less
then why suddenly for the sake of political correctness should they be given equal pay at a stage where they play less and are less popular as evidenced by ratings and ticket prices

Janko Tipsarevic playing a match at any round at a slam is MUCH less popular than any of the trucks he listed. Why should Serena get paid less than Tipsarevic or Schuettler for bringing in butts in seats and TV viewers to her 4th round match, when they don't bring as much to the table?

Expat
Jul 9th, 2008, 01:05 AM
Janko Tipsarevic playing a match at any round at a slam is MUCH less popular than any of the trucks he listed. Why should Serena get paid less than Tipsarevic or Schuettler for bringing in butts in seats and TV viewers to her 4th round match, when they don't bring as much to the table?
i dont give a damn about tipsarevic
but i thought we were discussing ATP vs WTA level of play here and consequent pay
serena can always get more money in her exhibition tournaments or appearance money from smaller tournaments for her bringing butts on the tour than tipsarevic

Isnt this discussion about the level of pay or play between the two tours
or are we in a WWW : Tipsarevic or Serena match here which I think Serena will lose handily

and if someone is not allowed to have an opinion since he is less popular than serena i think this board should shut down
he may not have the right way to speak it
doesnt mean that he is wrong

Harvs
Jul 9th, 2008, 01:10 AM
wow i liekd him a lot...

thats really disappointing

Williamsser
Jul 9th, 2008, 01:15 AM
How can women players want respect when Ashley Harkleroad and Nuria Llagosteria Vives pose nude in magazines?

Expat
Jul 9th, 2008, 01:18 AM
How can women players want respect when Ashley Harkleroad and Nuria Llagosteria Vives pose nude in magazines?
sorry but this has nothing to do with their tennis skills
havent mens tennis players also posed seminude i admit i havent seen a crotch shot
but plenty of ass pics are available

Karsten Braasch
Jul 9th, 2008, 01:21 AM
Janko, you are my hero! :worship:

Karsten Braasch
Jul 9th, 2008, 01:25 AM
Isnt this discussion about the level of pay or play between the two tours
or are we in a WWW : Tipsarevic or Serena match here which I think Serena will lose handily


:yeah:

No doubt Janko would beat her 6-0 6-0 6-0

Oh wait women don't play best out of 5 matches :)

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 9th, 2008, 01:25 AM
Janko, you are my hero! :worship:

Hey Karsten , a mug like Tipsarvic can not be your hero

Karsten Braasch
Jul 9th, 2008, 01:26 AM
Hey Karsten , a mug like Tipsarvic can not be your hero

I like how he spoke his mind and said the truth.

Natash.
Jul 9th, 2008, 01:29 AM
sorry but this has nothing to do with their tennis skills
havent mens tennis players also posed seminude i admit i havent seen a crotch shot
but plenty of ass pics are available

I know right. :o Verdasco(:drool:), Robredo(:hearts:), and Lopez(:inlove:) have all been nude before.

Craigy
Jul 9th, 2008, 01:32 AM
I like how he spoke his mind and said the truth.

Somehow I doubt you like when Serena speaks her mind and says the truth about certain matters.