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Cp6uja
Jul 7th, 2008, 08:03 PM
I try to find today somewhere at net this facts, but without success so must research for myself. Perhaps after fresh Laura Robson Wimbledon 2008 win many people here is probably also curious about that. So here is list of last 10 girls in WTA history which reach Junior GS before 15th birthday:



Laura Robson GBR - since Wimbledon 2008
Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova RUS - since Australian Open 2006
Sesil Karatantcheva BUL - since Roland Garros 2004
Justine Henin BEL - since Roland Garros 1997***
Mirjana Lucic CRO - since US Open 1996
Martina Hingis SUI - since Roland Garros 1993
Anna Smashnova ISR - since Roland Garros 1991
Magdalena Maleeva BUL - since Australian Open 1990
Jennifer Capriati USA - since Roland Garros 1989
Gabriela Sabatini ARG - since Roland Garros 1984

*** Henin started RG/97 like 14 year old.


Many of former Junior slam champions never have noticable senior career and good example is double juniors slam champion from 1984 Annabel Croft, last Brits which won some junior slam. But when we talking about girls which won slam already at 14 possibility for "real-deal" scenario looks way better.

Litle bit bizzare is fact that in last 25 years only Bulgaria, which is not tennis worlds ultimative force, have more than one WTA "wonder kid" and for me big reason for worry is fact that 4 of this 10 womens (Capriati, Hingis, Lucic and Karatantcheva) in very early phase of their senior careers (from different reasons) have huge pause which almost ended their careers.

fufuqifuqishahah
Jul 7th, 2008, 08:07 PM
nice stats

Kworb
Jul 7th, 2008, 08:18 PM
Hingis was 12 when she won :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

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Adal
Jul 7th, 2008, 08:19 PM
Nice stats :eek:

Shepster
Jul 7th, 2008, 08:30 PM
I think for me, when thinking about this before the final, I was wondering "what does getting to the final mean, really?" It's a little over 2/3rds of the current top 30 got to a juniors slam final - it's not essential, but it's a good indicator. Looking back at all the winners over the last decade, they all got to the top 100 and only a handful failed to make the top 50. That's all the expectation I have right now for Robson - probably top 50 - and even that would be fantastic for British women's tennis, such is the state it's been in since Jo Durie.

I remember watching Hingisova win the Wimbledon girls in 94, I'd never seen *anything* like it, it was completely ridiculous :worship:.

Dodoboy.
Jul 7th, 2008, 08:38 PM
Not looking GREAT for Laura but interesting.

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 7th, 2008, 08:42 PM
winning jr's doesnt guarantee anything but it does help, a bit of hard work and you can establish yourself on the main WTA Tour

thats all's needed to be classed as a successful transition to the main tour.

Cp6uja
Jul 7th, 2008, 09:16 PM
winning jr's doesnt guarantee anything but it does help, a bit of hard work and you can establish yourself on the main WTA Tour

thats all's needed to be classed as a successful transition to the main tour.I agree in generaly of course - but winning Junior GS already at 14 is exception and like you see from this list all of this cases (except Pavlyuchenkova which is currently 16yo but already TOP100, and of course youngest Robson) reach TOP35 at rankings and four out of this 10 is slam winners (fantastic percentage)!

But talking about how Junior GS title in general "means nothing" i will repeat story (i create some thread about that think in 2006) about
"JUNIORS CHAMPIONS CURSE":

In last 10 years nobody of Junior Slam Champions not reach any Grand Slam title in senior competition, and i think only Marion Bartoli reach some final. Which is more bizzare, in same time 4 of their opponents in all that finals (runnerups girls) Maria Sharapova, Kim Clijsters, Svetlana Kuznetsova and Ana Ivanovic already won 6 slams of their 15 slam finals so far :tape: :tape: :tape:. So we will see who will broke first this unbelivable "curse" (last Juniors winner which won GS in seniors is Juniors Roland Garros 1997 winner Justine Henin).

Dawson.
Jul 7th, 2008, 09:51 PM
:eek: great stat :yeah:
lets hope she follows in the footsteps of henin! :lol:
but hey, a top 40 british girl aint bad either! (im sure pavlyuchenkova will recah that goal very soon)

Tripp
Jul 7th, 2008, 10:20 PM
Never forget Marķa Emilia Salerni also won the Wimbledon junior title :devil:

I see a better future coming for Laura, though :angel:

Slumpsova
Jul 7th, 2008, 10:29 PM
i'm dying to see who Robson is gonna be, Henin or Smashnova.

LCS
Jul 7th, 2008, 10:35 PM
Since when did Hingis have a setback in her early senior career? She bascially was no 1 in juniors and in seniors at the same time...:shrug:

~Cherry*Blossom~
Jul 7th, 2008, 10:36 PM
The fact that Anabel Croft was the last British woman (then girl) to win junior Wimbledon, it really isn't THAT big of a deal. However, from seeing Laura play I have a feeling that she can do very well if she learns to cope/ignore with the media attention and works extremely hard on her game.

Cp6uja
Jul 7th, 2008, 11:22 PM
Since when did Hingis have a setback in her early senior career? She bascially was no 1 in juniors and in seniors at the same time...:shrug:She have great career achivments when she 21, but fact that between her 22nd and 25th birthday Martina played just 4 tournament matches give me right to say that in early ages she have big pause which almost ended her career - actualy when we talking about Martina like great champion... she realy finished at 21 and her comeback in 2006 is not even close on same level like we know from young Hingis.

The fact that Anabel Croft was the last British woman (then girl) to win junior Wimbledon, it really isn't THAT big of a deal. However, from seeing Laura play I have a feeling that she can do very well if she learns to cope/ignore with the media attention and works extremely hard on her game.She actualy must to learn to deal with pressure, not to ignore. Only way now to escape UK public or media attention is very bad results in future... which is of course worst case scenario. BTW even if she is not 14 (for example if she 17) her GS win now in 2008 is better sign for her career than in 1984 because in modern times juniors tournaments is on higher level with better competition. For example all juniors winners of 12 junior slams between 2004-2006 already reach TOP50 (TOP40 actualy) except youngest Pavlyuchenkova which is on good way also.

sharapovarulz1
Jul 8th, 2008, 12:03 AM
Nice stats mate :D

Like alot of people have said this doesn't guarantee anything but it is a good stepping stone! But with Laura the LTA have got to get this right in no uncertain terms can they fuck this up because she is huge talent and given the chance in a few years she could be getting good results on the main tour :D But nothing is written in stone!

Karolina_Sprem
Jul 8th, 2008, 01:07 AM
Best of luck to Laura Robson but I have feeling that media in UK will "kill" her... She will be just one of the "wasted" talent on this list next to Lucic, Maleeva, Karatanchewa etc etc.
Hope I'm wrong but...

ce
Jul 8th, 2008, 01:11 AM
nice stats

mirzalover
Jul 8th, 2008, 01:12 AM
Best of luck to Laura Robson but I have feeling that media in UK will "kill" her... She will be just one of the "wasted" talent on this list next to Lucic, Maleeva, Karatanchewa etc etc.
Hope I'm wrong but...

She went top 5:rolleyes:

Karolina_Sprem
Jul 8th, 2008, 01:20 AM
She went top 5:rolleyes:


True....BUT....her best GS result is 4th round (couple of times)...and won ONLY one tier 1 tournament (Moscow)...not so good for such a talented girl at that time...
Can you imagine what british media would done to her if she represented Britain... From this perspective today...Brits don't value Henman's results at Wimbledon...pity but true....They only know for WINNERS not SF, QF...etc.

mirzalover
Jul 8th, 2008, 01:30 AM
True....BUT....her best GS result is 4th round (couple of times)...and won ONLY one tier 1 tournament (Moscow)...not so good for such a talented girl at that time...
Can you imagine what british media would done to her if she represented Britain... From this perspective today...Brits don't value Henman's results at Wimbledon...pity but true....They only know for WINNERS not SF, QF...etc.

She won 2 but I get what your saying.

Karolina_Sprem
Jul 8th, 2008, 01:33 AM
She won 2 but I get what your saying.


Ok;)

P.s. what was the 2nd one?:):wavey:

Drake1980
Jul 8th, 2008, 01:36 AM
Hingis clip:hearts:

Cp6uja
Jul 8th, 2008, 01:49 AM
Lucic case tells us that way worse thing than public pressure and hung for some success or eventual wrong moves from domestic tennis asociation is obsessive coach-father and same thing we have with Dokic which is not on this list just because she have "already" 15 when she won USO juniors and personaly i'm pretty sure that Sesil coach-father is guilty more than anybody for all her current career deep problems - no chances that is her own decision to use doping like 15yo girl...

In womens tennis bad/good influence of your family is way more relevant than your "country" or domestic tennis asociation influence and Robson "family case" seems to me pretty good right now and without reasons for worry.

Dawson.
Jul 8th, 2008, 01:51 AM
True....BUT....her best GS result is 4th round (couple of times)...and won ONLY one tier 1 tournament (Moscow)...not so good for such a talented girl at that time...
Can you imagine what british media would done to her if she represented Britain... From this perspective today...Brits don't value Henman's results at Wimbledon...pity but true....They only know for WINNERS not SF, QF...etc.

totally agree. i would be thrilled if robson would have the same success as maleeva, but for the british press it wouldnt be good enough - just like henman

mirzalover
Jul 8th, 2008, 01:52 AM
Ok;)

P.s. what was the 2nd one?:):wavey:

Zurich Open 1994

Karolina_Sprem
Jul 8th, 2008, 01:56 AM
Lucic case tells us that way worse thing than public pressure and hung for some success or eventual wrong moves from domestic tennis asociation is obsessive coach-father and same thing we have with Dokic which is not on this list just because she have "already" 15 when she won USO juniors and personaly i'm pretty sure that Sesil coach-father is guilty more than anybody for all her current career deep problems - no chances that is her own decision to use doping like 15yo girl...

In womens tennis bad/good influence of your family is way more relevant than your "country" or domestic tennis asociation influence and Robson "family case" seems to me pretty good right now and without reasons for worry.

I have lived in Britain for 6 years and trust me media over there is 10 times worst then in eastern Europe (Croatia, Serbia...)...I'm Croatian btw.
Partly I can agree with you and your comments about family support etc etc., but trust me in Britain media can cause "same" problem as Lucic or Dokic had with their parents... maybe not the right way to compare but...not far from the fact...:)

Chunchun
Jul 8th, 2008, 01:57 AM
um... Good Luck Laura

sunsfuns
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:06 AM
There have been quite a few failures among junior GS winners, but not so many recently and it's usually someone who wins at 17 or 18. On the other hand virtually every top 10 player (except Venus and Serena - they didn't participate) had some serious success in junior slams or Orange bowl.

eck
Jul 8th, 2008, 03:09 AM
JuJu as a WC :worship: