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dave1971
Jul 7th, 2008, 05:44 AM
I was loving how Dementieva was kicking Venus Williams's butt and pushing her deep behind the baseline in that whole second set of their semifinal and I was so pissed that she choked by missing those forehands in the tie breaker. I know this board is owned by Williams fans and people are gonna be pissed about my comment but it's truth and I don't give a damn what you people think I am just disgusted that Dementieva choked again in a critical match I know I should be used to it by now.

kwilliams
Jul 7th, 2008, 05:45 AM
Don't feel too bad even if she had won the second set she would've lost in the third. Don't forget that they were playing on grass.

In The Zone
Jul 7th, 2008, 05:46 AM
I'm not quite sure what match you saw. Dementieva played some good points and then Venus would. And then both would hit errors. Not quite sure if you're on the same planet as us.

Dementieva didn't even win a set, not quite sure how she choked. Venus Williams in a third set at Wimbledon? I wouldn't bet on Elena.

dave1971
Jul 7th, 2008, 05:47 AM
Dementieva was clearly the better player once she finally showed up at 0-2 in the second set and I'm pretty certain she would have cleaned Venus clock in the third.

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2008, 05:49 AM
lol, I kinda agree. Venus looked very weak in the tie-break. Her first serve went down, the power on the ground strokes was starting to go off, and she was starting to look tired.

Instead of seizing the opportunities, she felt the pressure and committed all those silly errors. A double fault, three forehand UE, and one BH UE (that's 5 points out of 7). That's why champions are few and chokers are many on the WTA. (I'm not counting the mp as an UE, even though it arguably is).

Had it gone into a 3rd, Demented would've been the favorite.

williams fan
Jul 7th, 2008, 05:51 AM
lol, I kinda agree. Venus looked very weak in the tie-break. Her first serve went down, the power on the ground strokes was starting to go off, and she was starting to look tired.

Instead of seizing the opportunities, she felt the pressure and committed all those silly errors. A double fault, three forehand UE, and one BH UE (that's 6 points out of 7). That's why champions are few and chokers are many on the WTA.

Had it gone into a 3rd, Demented would've been the favorite.
overs now hater venus williams beat elena and venus is the better player! venus williams the 2008 wimbledon champion!

In The Zone
Jul 7th, 2008, 05:52 AM
Dementieva a favorite in the 3rd? Did you guys not see the Petrova QF? Where have you been for the past 8 years with Venus at Wimbledon?

I disagree. And the tennis alone is not the only aspect of a match. There are other intangibles. Mentality, nerves, everything. While Elena may have been playing better tennis in the second, Venus played the better match. There is a distinct difference. You can play great tennis but you need to play a great match.

njnetswill
Jul 7th, 2008, 05:52 AM
I don't think you could say that unless Lena had some lead or something.

dave1971
Jul 7th, 2008, 05:52 AM
lol, I kinda agree. Venus looked very weak in the tie-break. Her first serve went down, the power on the ground strokes was starting to go off, and she was starting to look tired.

Instead of seizing the opportunities, she felt the pressure and committed all those silly errors. A double fault, three forehand UE, and one BH UE (that's 6 points out of 7). That's why champions are few and chokers are many on the WTA.




EXACTLY. Venus didn't win the match, Elena lost it. And you can say that about the entire tournament. Venus beat a ridiculous collection of players except for the last two matches (and even Serena barely showed up for that final!). In the WTA right now it's unfortunately defined by an utter lack of competition.

In The Zone
Jul 7th, 2008, 05:53 AM
EXACTLY. Venus didn't win the match, Elena lost it. And you can say that about the entire tournament. Venus beat a ridiculous collection of players except for the last two matches (and even Serena barely showed up for that final!). In the WTA right now it's unfortunately defined by an utter lack of competition.

Omg. :rolls:

I love it that when a Williams Sister wins a title, everyone goes: "The tour is so weak!" But when someone beats a Williams Sister en route to a title, it's: "The tour is so strong!".

Get over it. Venus Williams is the 2008 Wimbledon Champion.

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2008, 05:56 AM
Dementieva a favorite in the 3rd? Did you guys not see the Petrova QF? Where have you been for the past 8 years with Venus at Wimbledon?

I disagree. And the tennis alone is not the only aspect of a match. There are other intangibles. Mentality, nerves, everything. While Elena may have been playing better tennis in the second, Venus played the better match. There is a distinct difference. You can play great tennis but you need to play a great match.

I think she would've been a favorite because Venus' game was starting to fall off and she was looking tired. But you're right. nerves and mentality are huge factors. Demented couldn't win the tie-break, so why the hell should she win the 3rd set? :lol: It's not like Venus didn't deserve to win. She was the one with the better head, but Elena did miss a huge opportunity.

lol @ all the Williams defensive trolls. You can't discuss anything on this board.

In The Zone
Jul 7th, 2008, 05:57 AM
I think she would've been a favorite because Venus' game was starting to fall off and she was looking tired. But you're right. nerves and mentality are huge factors. Demented couldn't win the tie-break, so why the hell should she win the 3rd set? :lol: It's not like Venus didn't deserve to win. She was the one with the better head, but Elena did miss a huge opportunity.

lol @ all the Williams defensive trolls. You can't discuss anything on this board.

Defensive troll? I think I am discussing it pretty easily and calmly. No one is saying Elena played worse than Venus. Because in fact, she did play better after 2-0. But sometimes that is not enough.

Infiniti2001
Jul 7th, 2008, 06:01 AM
woulda, coulda, shoulda , but did not :shrug: Moving along :tape:

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2008, 06:14 AM
EXACTLY. Venus didn't win the match, Elena lost it. And you can say that about the entire tournament. Venus beat a ridiculous collection of players except for the last two matches (and even Serena barely showed up for that final!). In the WTA right now it's unfortunately defined by an utter lack of competition.

I agree that the competition up to the final was downright ridiculous. Even though Jie put up a great fight, she was never going to do some very serious damage when she has no second serve. And Dementieva is a headcase. So even if she plays well, she will find a way to lose. But can't blame the WS. It's not their problem if everyone else is crap. They did show in the final that they were the two best players in the tournament.

Denise4925
Jul 7th, 2008, 06:27 AM
:haha: Apoleb in another thread hating on the WS.

Tennisation
Jul 7th, 2008, 06:31 AM
come again?

Harvs
Jul 7th, 2008, 06:32 AM
she lost... thats tennis...

woo for venus:)

freeandlonely
Jul 7th, 2008, 09:04 AM
No...

eck
Jul 7th, 2008, 09:10 AM
If Dementieva played the third set the way she played the TB we would be seeing a slaughter by Venus. :o

Dave.
Jul 7th, 2008, 09:16 AM
I think she could (should) have won that 2nd set but no, she wouldn't have won a third set against Venus. You could just tell that if it did go to a third, Venus was just waiting to raise her game, as she has done so often in Wimbledon third sets.

Lena didn't play a very good tie-break and it was a shame to lose like that after such a great run but there are alot of positives Lena should take from her Wimbledon campaign.

ElusiveChanteuse
Jul 7th, 2008, 09:18 AM
Nadia should have beaten beaten Elena but she choked.:(

SoClose
Jul 7th, 2008, 09:20 AM
I was loving how Dementieva was kicking Venus Williams's butt and pushing her deep behind the baseline in that whole second set of their semifinal and I was so pissed that she choked by missing those forehands in the tie breaker. I know this board is owned by Williams fans and people are gonna be pissed about my comment but it's truth and I don't give a damn what you people think I am just disgusted that Dementieva choked again in a critical match I know I should be used to it by now.

Yes,and that's why she didn't beat her ;)

venus_rulez
Jul 7th, 2008, 09:49 AM
So Elena couldn't win the second set, yet she would have won the third....how can you win something you can't even get to?

Malva
Jul 7th, 2008, 10:01 AM
Yet another mindless thread.

Paneru
Jul 7th, 2008, 10:03 AM
Like someone said, why is it that everytime the
Sisters dominate a field, everyone else is crap!

Yet, when they lose, everyone else has become too good?

Make up your minds people! :p

sky20748
Jul 7th, 2008, 10:35 AM
look everyone even the qualifiers showed up to play wimbledon.now venus had some stiff competition in her section.hell they all did.no player no matter what they are ranked are going to just roll over and give it to you.people keep saying oh venus had a cakewalk draw.is it her fault that the other players couldnt hold there nerves and battle it out like she did.hell ok elena d.came back in the second set and venus held steady.its the big points that matter.no one ever wins pretty.hell as long as you win.because u win ugly its a crime.she never lost a set.she defended and she held steady.not her fault.she did what she had to do to win.the other top seeds couldnt handle the pressure or these other players who came storming out the gate.its so sad that when venus wins its always a cloud over her wins.people keep saying oh she wont win.shes washed up.but when she does win then its she had it easy.no she didnt.those no ranked girls tried there best to take it to her.just like they did everyone else in the draw.she was the only opponent who handled the storm.stop blaming her and its sad that there are so many disgruntled people on here still talking about her win here again is a fluke.players should have don this and that.but u know what they didnt.they didnt step up and rise to the occassion.VENUS WILLIAMS WON FAIR AND SQUARE.SO GET OVER IT.ITS DONE AND OVER WITH.MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE.AND FOR THE RECORD ITS SAD THAT THERE IS SO MUCH HATRED TOWARDS THE WILLIAMS SISTER ESPECIALLY VENUS.ITS LIKE SHE PERSONALLY DID SOMETHING OFFENSIVE TO SOME OF YOU.THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THE WORLD THAT IS FAR WORSE THAN THIS AND TO SHOW THIS MUCH HATRED AND THEN TO CALL THE WS FANS TROLLS SHOW THAT THERE IS SOMETHING TRULY MISERABLE ABOUT YOUR EXISTANCE THAT CAUSES YOU TO STATE THIS.ATHLETES HAVE FANS.NO MATTER WHO YOUR FAVORITE IS.IF A PERSON WINS THEN CONGRATS.IF THEY LOSE THEN THEY HAVE TO STEP UP THERE GAME TO WIN NEXT TIME.THE NAME CALLING AND HATRED IS RIDICULOUS.I JUST DONT BELIEVE THAT FANS ARE TAKING THIS BOARD TO VENT VENOM ON HERE LIKE THIS.YES STATE YOUR CASE AND YOUR REASONINGS BUT DONT BASH FANS ON HERE JUST BECAUSE THEY LIKE AN ATHLETE THAT SOME OF YOU MAY NOT.GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE LADIES.THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE WINNERS AND LOSERS IN TENNIS BUT THE GOOD THING IS THERE IS ALWAYS ANOTHER MATCH TO BE PLAYED.HAVE A BLESSED DAY TO ALL ON HERE WHO ARE ACTUALLY FANS AND WHO DO HAVE COMMON SENSE ON HERE.TO THOSE WHO ARE THAT MISERABLE MAY GOD BLESS YOU.

Effy
Jul 7th, 2008, 10:48 AM
I was loving how Dementieva was kicking Venus Williams's butt and pushing her deep behind the baseline in that whole second set of their semifinal and I was so pissed that she choked by missing those forehands in the tie breaker. I know this board is owned by Williams fans and people are gonna be pissed about my comment but it's truth and I don't give a damn what you people think I am just disgusted that Dementieva choked again in a critical match I know I should be used to it by now.

yeah right everytime a player loses she/he chocked away :rolleyes:

thomas.chung
Jul 7th, 2008, 10:49 AM
look everyone even the qualifiers showed up to play wimbledon.now venus had some stiff competition in her section.hell they all did.no player no matter what they are ranked are going to just roll over and give it to you.people keep saying oh venus had a cakewalk draw.is it her fault that the other players couldnt hold there nerves and battle it out like she did.hell ok elena d.came back in the second set and venus held steady.its the big points that matter.no one ever wins pretty.hell as long as you win.because u win ugly its a crime.she never lost a set.she defended and she held steady.not her fault.she did what she had to do to win.the other top seeds couldnt handle the pressure or these other players who came storming out the gate.its so sad that when venus wins its always a cloud over her wins.people keep saying oh she wont win.shes washed up.but when she does win then its she had it easy.no she didnt.those no ranked girls tried there best to take it to her.just like they did everyone else in the draw.she was the only opponent who handled the storm.stop blaming her and its sad that there are so many disgruntled people on here still talking about her win here again is a fluke.players should have don this and that.but u know what they didnt.they didnt step up and rise to the occassion.VENUS WILLIAMS WON FAIR AND SQUARE.SO GET OVER IT.ITS DONE AND OVER WITH.MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE.AND FOR THE RECORD ITS SAD THAT THERE IS SO MUCH HATRED TOWARDS THE WILLIAMS SISTER ESPECIALLY VENUS.ITS LIKE SHE PERSONALLY DID SOMETHING OFFENSIVE TO SOME OF YOU.THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THE WORLD THAT IS FAR WORSE THAN THIS AND TO SHOW THIS MUCH HATRED AND THEN TO CALL THE WS FANS TROLLS SHOW THAT THERE IS SOMETHING TRULY MISERABLE ABOUT YOUR EXISTANCE THAT CAUSES YOU TO STATE THIS.ATHLETES HAVE FANS.NO MATTER WHO YOUR FAVORITE IS.IF A PERSON WINS THEN CONGRATS.IF THEY LOSE THEN THEY HAVE TO STEP UP THERE GAME TO WIN NEXT TIME.THE NAME CALLING AND HATRED IS RIDICULOUS.I JUST DONT BELIEVE THAT FANS ARE TAKING THIS BOARD TO VENT VENOM ON HERE LIKE THIS.YES STATE YOUR CASE AND YOUR REASONINGS BUT DONT BASH FANS ON HERE JUST BECAUSE THEY LIKE AN ATHLETE THAT SOME OF YOU MAY NOT.GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE LADIES.THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE WINNERS AND LOSERS IN TENNIS BUT THE GOOD THING IS THERE IS ALWAYS ANOTHER MATCH TO BE PLAYED.HAVE A BLESSED DAY TO ALL ON HERE WHO ARE ACTUALLY FANS AND WHO DO HAVE COMMON SENSE ON HERE.TO THOSE WHO ARE THAT MISERABLE MAY GOD BLESS YOU.

yourtextlookslikenothingtome.

Anyways, back to topic. Dementieva "coulda, woulda, shoulda"won the match, but she didn't, that's all that matters. Yes, she showed up at the match late, but so what? She was late in getting into the match, and having played Venus a couple of times Dementieva should have known that against the Sisters you got to hang in there with them early on or else you will lose it. The only few players who I think of can show up to a match late and still win it are the Williams sisters and Justine, and for Justine sometimes it is even difficult for her to pull off. Now if you would get over the semi-final, maybe you will feel better.

Cp6uja
Jul 7th, 2008, 10:59 AM
I was loving how Dementieva was kicking Venus Williams's butt and pushing her deep behind the baseline in that whole second set of their semifinal and I was so pissed that she choked by missing those forehands in the tie breaker. I know this board is owned by Williams fans and people are gonna be pissed about my comment but it's truth and I don't give a damn what you people think I am just disgusted that Dementieva choked again in a critical match I know I should be used to it by now.Schuettler should have beaten Nadal but he choked

I was loving how Schuettler was kicking Rafael Nadal's butt and pushing him deep behind the baseline in that whole second set of their semifinal and I was so pissed that he choked by missing those forehands in the tie breaker or when serve to win 2nd set at *5-4. I know this board is owned by Nadal fans and people are gonna be pissed about my comment but it's truth and I don't give a damn what you people think I am just disgusted that Schuettler choked again in a critical match I know I should be used to it by now.



This is womans tennis forum so i'm also pissed how in their semifinals matches Zheng and Dementieva overplayed Williams sisters but choked in TB of 2nd sets and how overrated Ivanovic wins AO and RG SF's when Hantuchova and Jankovic choke in 2nd and 3rd sets. Why better players have so many loses this year in GS semi's???

thomas.chung
Jul 7th, 2008, 11:01 AM
Oh, one more thing, if you choke, then you don't deserve to be on a Grand Slam winner because you will forever choke when you close out big matches like the one Dementieva had with Nadia Petrova.

fightserena!!!
Jul 7th, 2008, 11:11 AM
How ridiculous...Elena would have won the third set that didn't exist? Yeah...Justine would have won the tiebreak if she hadn't retired and was in Elena's quarter of the draw and had beaten her to set up a Semi with Venus...whatever....

southpaw58
Jul 7th, 2008, 12:25 PM
woulda, coulda, shoulda , but did not :shrug: Moving along :tape:

YUP! Can't turn back time!

igost
Jul 7th, 2008, 12:36 PM
I don't think you are talking about this year's Wimbledon.
Because in this year's match Venus was soundly beating Elena, until deciding to add some drama in the middle of the second set.
Elena's chances to win were close to none.

vwfan
Jul 7th, 2008, 12:37 PM
woulda, coulda, shoulda , but did not :shrug: Moving along :tape:ditto.

whereas except on this board is dementieva a favorite to win over Venus Williams in a third set (or any set for that matter) on grass. there is a reason why their h2h is 6-2 in Venus' favor. :rolleyes:

anyway elena made it interesting in the second set, but this match like almost any at Wimbledon was on Venus Williams racket.

vwfan
Jul 7th, 2008, 12:41 PM
look everyone even the qualifiers showed up to play wimbledon.now venus had some stiff competition in her section.hell they all did.no player no matter what they are ranked are going to just roll over and give it to you.people keep saying oh venus had a cakewalk draw.is it her fault that the other players couldnt hold there nerves and battle it out like she did.hell ok elena d.came back in the second set and venus held steady.its the big points that matter.no one ever wins pretty.hell as long as you win.because u win ugly its a crime.she never lost a set.she defended and she held steady.not her fault.she did what she had to do to win.the other top seeds couldnt handle the pressure or these other players who came storming out the gate.its so sad that when venus wins its always a cloud over her wins.people keep saying oh she wont win.shes washed up.but when she does win then its she had it easy.no she didnt.those no ranked girls tried there best to take it to her.just like they did everyone else in the draw.she was the only opponent who handled the storm.stop blaming her and its sad that there are so many disgruntled people on here still talking about her win here again is a fluke.players should have don this and that.but u know what they didnt.they didnt step up and rise to the occassion.VENUS WILLIAMS WON FAIR AND SQUARE.SO GET OVER IT.ITS DONE AND OVER WITH.MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE.AND FOR THE RECORD ITS SAD THAT THERE IS SO MUCH HATRED TOWARDS THE WILLIAMS SISTER ESPECIALLY VENUS.ITS LIKE SHE PERSONALLY DID SOMETHING OFFENSIVE TO SOME OF YOU.THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THE WORLD THAT IS FAR WORSE THAN THIS AND TO SHOW THIS MUCH HATRED AND THEN TO CALL THE WS FANS TROLLS SHOW THAT THERE IS SOMETHING TRULY MISERABLE ABOUT YOUR EXISTANCE THAT CAUSES YOU TO STATE THIS.ATHLETES HAVE FANS.NO MATTER WHO YOUR FAVORITE IS.IF A PERSON WINS THEN CONGRATS.IF THEY LOSE THEN THEY HAVE TO STEP UP THERE GAME TO WIN NEXT TIME.THE NAME CALLING AND HATRED IS RIDICULOUS.I JUST DONT BELIEVE THAT FANS ARE TAKING THIS BOARD TO VENT VENOM ON HERE LIKE THIS.YES STATE YOUR CASE AND YOUR REASONINGS BUT DONT BASH FANS ON HERE JUST BECAUSE THEY LIKE AN ATHLETE THAT SOME OF YOU MAY NOT.GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE LADIES.THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE WINNERS AND LOSERS IN TENNIS BUT THE GOOD THING IS THERE IS ALWAYS ANOTHER MATCH TO BE PLAYED.HAVE A BLESSED DAY TO ALL ON HERE WHO ARE ACTUALLY FANS AND WHO DO HAVE COMMON SENSE ON HERE.TO THOSE WHO ARE THAT MISERABLE MAY GOD BLESS YOU.you have interesting comments to make, but it is so hard to read your posts. please break up your thoughts by starting new paragraphs. i'd appreciate it.

Hazel
Jul 7th, 2008, 12:42 PM
Elena Dementieva beat Venus Williams at Wimbledon? Without a drunk umpire or Venus in traction? Whoever thinks such a thing such take up a new career as a stand up comedian!

wetfre
Jul 7th, 2008, 12:51 PM
If Venus would have played like she did in the first set it would have been a slaughter

Vlover
Jul 7th, 2008, 01:07 PM
lol @ all the Williams defensive trolls. You can't discuss anything on this board.

Of all the members of the Venus Envy club you seem to be coping with this victory very, very badly.:lol: Give the board a break until you are able to accept it then perhaps you might be able to engage in a rational discussion.

The FACT is Venus Williams is the 2008 Wimbledon Champion!:worship:
There is nothing you can say to change that FACT.:D

WF4EVER
Jul 7th, 2008, 01:24 PM
(cough; cough)

Davodus
Jul 7th, 2008, 01:27 PM
not really a williams fan...
but serena and venus were the best players by far in the tournament
and i didn't really think dementieva was playing that great in the 2nd set, i thought she was very lucky to even get to a tiebreak
had it gone to a 3rd, venus would have crushed her

miffedmax
Jul 7th, 2008, 01:47 PM
This was a battle between my two faves. I thought Elena played better in the first set than the score indicated, and had some chances to take the second set, but on the whole I felt like the better player on the day (and overall) won.

Elena blew some opportunities, but they were mostly chances to stay in the match, not to win it.

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2008, 01:50 PM
Of all the members of the Venus Envy club you seem to be coping with this victory very, very badly.:lol: Give the board a break until you are able to accept it then perhaps you might be able to engage in a rational discussion.

The FACT is Venus Williams is the 2008 Wimbledon Champion!:worship:
There is nothing you can say to change that FACT.:D

ROFL. A rational discussion with a certified dumbass as yourself? :haha:

"Williams defensive troll"

Amanda
Jul 7th, 2008, 02:10 PM
this thread is the joke of the year contender:bounce:

V-MAC
Jul 7th, 2008, 02:12 PM
There was no chance Elena could have won the match as there are no final set tiebreakers at Wimbledon :p

RenaSlam.
Jul 7th, 2008, 02:31 PM
Too bad.

CoolDude7
Jul 7th, 2008, 02:48 PM
Venus level did drop but elena level dropped in the tiebreak as well. All Venus had to do was get the ball back in play. I don't see how she would've beaten Venus in a third playing like that. Elena was making wild errors. If there were a third, there was no indication that that would've changed. Venus would've let her self-destruct. Venus played SMART tennis this entire championship I do believe she would've came up with the goods when it mattered

Marshmallow
Jul 7th, 2008, 02:49 PM
:help: @ Some of the posts in here.

I don't think you are talking about this year's Wimbledon.
Because in this year's match Venus was soundly beating Elena, until deciding to add some drama in the middle of the second set.
Elena's chances to win were close to none.


This is what I saw. Elena couldn't do much more for set and a bit, then Venus lost concentration and added drama. Her level dropped a bit, and Elena grew in confidence.

Really, Venus should have won more comfortably. There should have been no tiebreak. But Venus loves theatre!

In anycase, reality is Venus won her 5th Wimbledon. That's all.

ladydiana
Jul 7th, 2008, 04:03 PM
I wish you guys would quit saying that Elena choked. Hell her azz has been playing in these grand slam tournaments for years and she will not win a slam with that weak serve.

Elena just has a good forehand and she has good speed, but that's not the entire package that will win grand slams. She needs a good serve, a net game, and tactics, and the ability to play offensively as well. She's just a good defensive player because of her weak serve.

Elena has been in 3 other finals and couldn't win one darn thing. She didn't choke, she got beat. Don't act like she's a new comer on the grand stage and doesn't know what to expect. She's been in finals before. May be not at Wimbledon, but she's been in others and she's been on the tour too long to keep "choking" as you say.

That ole choking excuse is old. Like John Weirtheimer stated, she'll be a top 10 player like Jelena, but they will never win a grand slam because they don't have the main thing that's needed, and that's a big first serve and other tangibles that count.

V's a star
Jul 7th, 2008, 04:10 PM
U guys are crazy did u see her match before she took on Venus? Theres no way in hell she cud ever close a match at wimbledon in the SF against Venus. Shes just not good enough. And y does everyone keep beating Venus for this tirebraek she did very good at the end. Jus hitting the ball down the middle She new if D went for a winner she cud get to it or it be an error. so good for her she did wat she needed at the time in the match

hankqq
Jul 7th, 2008, 04:14 PM
This thread!! :hearts: :lol: :rolls: :haha::kiss:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 7th, 2008, 05:21 PM
I don´t think so

Elena did not play a good tennis in Wimbledon

I liked more her level in Roland Garros. Even in the Australian Open Elena did play much better than in Wimbledon

Denise4925
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:36 PM
First, I don't think she choked, because she was never in a leading position in the match. Venus outplayed her physically and tactically.

Secondly, Vee's level didn't drop, she just played smart tennis. She reduced the pace on her balls and just got the ball back in play up the middle once she saw Elena was committing errors. That's not dropping your level, that's smart tennis. It's a tactical play.

Lastly, even if Elena did win the tie break and take it to a third set, she still would have lost it, because Vee's serve, return and net game was on fire throughout this tournament and she would have crushed Elena. LOL :haha: at people saying Vee looked tired in the second set. I'm embarassed for you :o.

Venus was eating her serves, especially the second serves for lunch and Elena has a terrible net game. No way is she going to come into net behind those serves. :lol:

thiskidhasit
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:54 PM
At least Elena is pretty and is going to have pretty babies :D

Denise4925
Jul 8th, 2008, 07:56 PM
At least Elena is pretty and is going to have pretty babies :D
:lol: Yes she is and so is Venus.

starin
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:21 PM
:rolleyes: Dementieva plays one good set where she she gets broken one and breaks Venus once and then didn't come close to breaking again and somehow all of a sudden she's supposed to win the match. As for the tiebreak. The reason Venus looked "tired" and her groundstrokes and serves looked "weak" is because she saw Dementieva was getting really tight, so instead of going for a lot of big shots and big winners like she can she played consistently and ran a lot of balls down and made Dementieva play and win each point. Something Dementieva couldn't do cuz she was pressing too much. Also, if you watch the tie break you can see Venus directing a lot of balls to the Dementieva forehand cuz she knew she was starting to misfire off that wing. I wouldn't call that a sign of weakness by Venus, I call that being smart. She recognized Dementieva was getting nervous and tight and so forced Dementieva to come up w/ the good instead of giving it to her w/ UE.

LudwigDvorak
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:29 PM
:rolleyes: Dementieva plays one good set where she she gets broken one and breaks Venus once and then didn't come close to breaking again and somehow all of a sudden she's supposed to win the match.

She fell 0-2 in the second set. She had BP to go up *3-2. She came close at least one more time. :ras:


As for the tiebreak. The reason Venus looked "tired" and her groundstrokes and serves looked "weak" is because she saw Dementieva was getting really tight, so instead of going for a lot of big shots and big winners like she can she played consistently and ran a lot of balls down and made Dementieva play and win each point. Something Dementieva couldn't do cuz she was pressing too much. Also, if you watch the tie break you can see Venus directing a lot of balls to the Dementieva forehand cuz she knew she was starting to misfire off that wing. I wouldn't call that a sign of weakness by Venus, I call that being smart. She recognized Dementieva was getting nervous and tight and so forced Dementieva to come up w/ the good instead of giving it to her w/ UE.

And yet women are just ballbashers who have no tactics or strategy. :worship:

I was going to ask why this thread was bumped again, but this is a perfect response to all the shit being talked about women's tennis. The women know what they're doing out there.

Elena and Venus played very good tennis at the same time in the second set. I don't know what would have happened in the third set had it gone there. But Venus played better at the very end and she deserved the win.

Some Lena fans just have sour grapes (including myself at times, yes) I s'pose.

sfselesfan
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:30 PM
Sorry Ludwig and Miffedmax, you know I love you both...but...

Elena is dead.to.me!

SF

Apoleb
Jul 8th, 2008, 08:59 PM
:rolleyes: Dementieva plays one good set where she she gets broken one and breaks Venus once and then didn't come close to breaking again and somehow all of a sudden she's supposed to win the match. As for the tiebreak. The reason Venus looked "tired" and her groundstrokes and serves looked "weak" is because she saw Dementieva was getting really tight, so instead of going for a lot of big shots and big winners like she can she played consistently and ran a lot of balls down and made Dementieva play and win each point. Something Dementieva couldn't do cuz she was pressing too much. Also, if you watch the tie break you can see Venus directing a lot of balls to the Dementieva forehand cuz she knew she was starting to misfire off that wing. I wouldn't call that a sign of weakness by Venus, I call that being smart. She recognized Dementieva was getting nervous and tight and so forced Dementieva to come up w/ the good instead of giving it to her w/ UE.

Oh yeah. So she started double faulting on her serve, missing first serves, weak groundstrokes..etc because she saw Dementieva was tight even though when Demented was UP in the TB at 3-2? :lol: Not buying that.

Venus' game was slowly going downward in the second set, and all Demented had to go was to keep up the level she was playing during most of the second set. Instead, she felt the pressure and completely collapsed. Her ground strokes were great in the end of the second set, and then comes the tb and she completely collapses making 5 UE and a double fault.

Anyway, gotta love the Dementieva fans finding excuses for her. But I mean I can't blame them. She chokes 5-1 leads, matchpoints..etc all the time. This is like nothing in comparison. :lol:

Denise4925
Jul 8th, 2008, 09:59 PM
Oh yeah. So she started double faulting on her serve, missing first serves, weak groundstrokes..etc because she saw Dementieva was tight even though when Demented was UP in the TB at 3-2? :lol: Not buying that.

Venus' game was slowly going downward in the second set, and all Demented had to go was to keep up the level she was playing during most of the second set. Instead, she felt the pressure and completely collapsed. Her ground strokes were great in the end of the second set, and then comes the tb and she completely collapses making 5 UE and a double fault.

Anyway, gotta love the Dementieva fans finding excuses for her. But I mean I can't blame them. She chokes 5-1 leads, matchpoints..etc all the time. This is like nothing in comparison. :lol:

:lol: Good try at misrepresenting the match. Venus had three DF's in the entire match and three aces. Missing first serves? So what? She won 53% (8 out 15) second serve points and 73% of her first serve points (lol the ones she got in :rolleyes: ) She won 43% of the points off her return, as compared to Elena's 34%, so I wouldn't go so far to say her groundstrokes were getting weak. :haha: Either you're so bitter you can't see straight or you just don't know about tennis and in here faking it.

You're not buying what? That Venus was thinking on court? Because she wasn't bashing the ball and playing aggressive, she was weak? How were her groundstrokes weak? She didn't miss, Elena was missing. If that's what you call weak groundstrokes, than I'll take that any day over UFE's. And, you're using a 1 point difference in a TB to show that Elena choked and Venus got weak and tired? :haha: :haha: :haha:

Anabelcroft
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:04 PM
As much as I LIKE DEMENTIEVA and also VENUS,I must say that schould,would,if only don't count so...best of luck next time!

mdterp01
Jul 8th, 2008, 10:15 PM
Well I SHOULD HAVE had the beef last night, but I had seafood instead and got the runs. :shrug: What a dumb ass post. How can a person choke who never even got in a winning position?

partbrit
Jul 8th, 2008, 11:50 PM
Actually, Tanasugarn had a good chance to beat Venus, and she definitely choked.

Volcana
Jul 9th, 2008, 02:12 AM
I am just disgusted that Dementieva choked again in a critical match I know I should be used to it by now.Yes, you should be used to it by now. If Dementieva wasn't as fragile mentally/emotionally as she is, she'd probably have won a slam by now. She was the more talented player in the 2004 RG final, but by far weaker mentally.


But she wasn't going to beat Venus on Centre Court Wimbledon. She got crushed in the first set, remember. Which is more indicative of the talent differential between a player who's won seven slam singles titles, and a player who's won .... none.

DOUBLEFIST
Jul 9th, 2008, 02:15 AM
Well I SHOULD HAVE had the beef last night, but I had seafood instead and got the runs. :shrug: What a dumb ass post. How can a person choke who never even got in a winning position?

:haha: :yeah:

miffedmax
Jul 9th, 2008, 02:19 AM
Yes, you should be used to it by now. If Dementieva wasn't as fragile mentally/emotionally as she is, she'd probably have won a slam by now. She was the more talented player in the 2004 RG final, but by far weaker mentally.


But she wasn't going to beat Venus on Centre Court Wimbledon. She got crushed in the first set, remember. Which is more indicative of the talent differential between a player who's won seven slam singles titles, and a player who's won .... none.

Thank you. Thank you for bringing up that very painful memory. Next time, why don't you just give me a paper cut and pour lemon juice in it?

Miffedmax, doing his very best Miracle Max

VeeJJ
Jul 9th, 2008, 02:43 AM
NO i would say venus would have had it reguardless of how Lena D played. She wanted to defend that title at the cost of anything. Venus' level dropped so much in the second set then from in the first. if she would have kept the same level that match would have been 6-1,6-1. Vee jus probaly got comfortable with teh first set under her belt and just chilled.

mykarma
Jul 9th, 2008, 03:34 AM
:haha: Apoleb in another thread hating on the WS.
He really is having a tough time with the Venus win.

ditto.

whereas except on this board is dementieva a favorite to win over Venus Williams in a third set (or any set for that matter) on grass. there is a reason why their h2h is 6-2 in Venus' favor. :rolleyes:

anyway elena made it interesting in the second set, but this match like almost any at Wimbledon was on Venus Williams racket.
No way Elena was playing well enough to beat Venus.

Of all the members of the Venus Envy club you seem to be coping with this victory very, very badly.:lol: Give the board a break until you are able to accept it then perhaps you might be able to engage in a rational discussion.

The FACT is Venus Williams is the 2008 Wimbledon Champion!:worship:
There is nothing you can say to change that FACT.:D
:worship:

ROFL. A rational discussion with a certified dumbass as yourself? :haha:

"Williams defensive troll"
:eek:

mykarma
Jul 9th, 2008, 03:38 AM
At least Elena is pretty and is going to have pretty babies :D
And she had extra time to work on having one. :rolleyes:

debopero
Jul 9th, 2008, 03:41 AM
it seemed to me that Venus was kicking her butt and then Venus kind of choked

mykarma
Jul 9th, 2008, 03:43 AM
Well I SHOULD HAVE had the beef last night, but I had seafood instead and got the runs. :shrug: What a dumb ass post. How can a person choke who never even got in a winning position?
:lol:

Veritas
Jul 9th, 2008, 03:45 AM
There was hardly a choke from Dementieva since she didn't win a set nor was she ever a break up. It was more that she played poorly because she's not a fantastic grass court player. She mis-timed her shots and was never really sure how high or low the ball was going to bounce. If anything, she did well to take Venus to a tie-break in the second set, but that was in part thanks to some timely errors on Venus' side.

Apoleb
Jul 9th, 2008, 03:54 AM
He really is having a tough time with the Venus win.


No way Elena was playing well enough to beat Venus.


:worship:


:eek:

Oh, here's the next defensive troll. :worship::eek::lol::worship::eek::lol:. Rinse and repeat. That's all what you contribute to the forum and you can't even string (your own) couple of logical thoughts together :lol: . Pretty sad, if you ask me. :hug:

There was hardly a choke from Dementieva since she didn't win a set nor was she ever a break up.

So now "choking" only happens when you're leading? That;s pretty hilarious considering that this is pretty much the only counter-argument directed at the initial post. When you're playing very good tennis and succomb at the moment of pressure, then you basically failed mentally. That's what happened to Dementieva. I don't know if you call that "choking" but it's certainly nerves that got the best of her.

AlmostCrimes
Jul 9th, 2008, 04:01 AM
How can someone even suggest that this was Elena's match to lose... the idea of this being decided by Elena choking is ridiculous. Venus is/was clearly the better grass court player, proven by the fact that she won wimbledon.

Tennisation
Jul 9th, 2008, 06:39 AM
stop with the drama between Venus and Lena, it's taken a toll on their fans as well. Like many of you, I love both of them, so please continue the respect we have for both.

santhuruu
Jul 9th, 2008, 10:05 AM
yeah honestly I also thought first that Dementieva would get that second set, but I think she got a little bit too overexcited in the tiebreak, cause she was doing really well in the rally. But hey few positive things, Dementieva is healthy again and she is playing better on every surface, and even her serve has improved. And you know how good Dementieva is on the hardcourts and on the indoor courts. So I am expecting good things from Dementieva in this second half of this year!!!

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2008, 03:04 PM
:yawn:

Knizzle
Jul 10th, 2008, 04:15 AM
:yawn:exactly, lol.

Dawn Marie
Jul 10th, 2008, 07:14 AM
Elena was never leading in the match. She was playing catch up, This thread is retarded as hell. Elena shoudl thank her lucky stars that Nadia weaker headcase than she is. I think. I mean they're both running neck and neck in the mentally weak department. Yet, to give Nadia credit she's not up her mommy's ass. I was embarrassed for Elena. She couldn't play a point without crying out for momma. It was really bad.

Venus won Wimby, and Elena went home. Elena may win a slam though.

vwfan
Jul 10th, 2008, 01:05 PM
At least Elena is pretty and is going to have pretty babies :Dyes, at least indeed!

because that is exactly what is important to a professional tennis player and worthy of noting on a tennis discussion board. :rolleyes:

but way to try to be funny. NOT!

Thanx4nothin
Jul 10th, 2008, 02:13 PM
I love when lesser players choke in straight sets defeats for the gain of 7 games to 5 time wimbledon champions....

Infiniti2001
Jul 10th, 2008, 02:17 PM
This is why Jelena should have won the match :tape:
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SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 10th, 2008, 02:25 PM
This thread is still with life :tape:

It was not even started by a Dementieva fan . We know that Elena is not good on grass :shrug: