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Bruno71
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:21 PM
Based on your own definition of talent, who's the Russian player with the most?

cellophane
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:24 PM
Dementieva IMO, but she still blows in big matches.

Mikey.
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:24 PM
Sharapova of course :)

Malva
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:25 PM
Anastasia Myskina. I will never forget her at Roland Garros 2004.

The Daviator
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:30 PM
Myskina, her 2004 form would beat any Russian player, and in fact it did at that time, so smart, fast and consistent, if only she had a serve and didn't get injured :sad:

Bruno71
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:34 PM
I voted for Sveta. I think she has it all, even though Myskina and all the others are oozing with talent as well.

Optima
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:35 PM
Petrova. :help: :help: :help:

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

cellophane
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:37 PM
Petrova. :help: :help: :help:

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

Nadia off the ground :help:

Nadia at net :worship:

Uranium
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:38 PM
Myskina

Dav.
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:39 PM
Most talented-Anna Kournikova
Best player-Maria Sharapova

BTW, you forgot to add Olga Morozova to the poll.

Marilyn Monheaux
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:44 PM
Svetlana or Dementieva. If only their mind would'nt screw them up they both could be multiple Grand Slam Champs

Bruno71
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:46 PM
Most talented-Anna Kournikova
Best player-Maria Sharapova

BTW, you forgot to add Olga Morozova to the poll.

That's why there's an "Other" option :) I'd assume it'd be tough to compare a classic player like Morozova with this group.

Njay16
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:47 PM
I def. would say Myskina when she was playing. She really adapted to other players games well.

At the moment I would say Kuznetsova. I have kind of noticed that many of the russians are somewhat one-dimensional IMO. Not to say they are not talented but players like Sharapova, Dementieva, Chakvetadze, Safina don't really have a plan B. Kuznetsova is really an all court player and can mix things up better than any other Russian on the tour. If she had the mentality of a Sharapova, she would def. have won more slams then she has.

champGS1452
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:48 PM
I voted for Kuznetsova. Petrova and Myskina are close behind. Dementieva just has to win that big match. Sharapova isn't the most talented,but she's used her weapons the most out of anyone.

cellophane
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:49 PM
I def. would say Myskina when she was playing. She really adapted to other players games well.

At the moment I would say Kuznetsova. I have kind of noticed that many of the russians are somewhat one-dimensional IMO. Not to say they are not talented but players like Sharapova, Dementieva, Chakvetadze, Safina don't really have a plan B. Kuznetsova is really an all court player and can mix things up better than any other Russian on the tour. If she had the mentality of a Sharapova, she would def. have won more slams then she has.

So why the fuck does she play such ugly, ugly matches so often, if she has a plan B?

spiritedenergy
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:51 PM
Anna Kournikova was VERY talented IMHO (shotmaking ability etc.)

tequila
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:52 PM
Results matter. The one who wins has the most talent for winning, which is the most important talent. A talent for winning.

Bruno71
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:55 PM
So why the fuck does she play such ugly, ugly matches so often, if she has a plan B?

I think Kuznetsova's huge problem is she doesn't really have much of a plan A either. She seems to fly by the seat of her pants, at least to my eyes. But in terms of what talents she harnesses, she seems to have just about everything...speed, shotmaking, netplay, defense, serve...

Njay16
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:56 PM
I think Kuznetsova's huge problem is she doesn't really have much of a plan A either. She seems to fly by the seat of her pants, at least to my eyes. But in terms of what talents she harnesses, she seems to have just about everything...speed, shotmaking, netplay, defense, serve...

Thank you. And her matches turn out ugly because she doesn't have the mentality as a Sharapova does.

ASP0315
Jul 6th, 2008, 09:56 PM
myskina

cellophane
Jul 6th, 2008, 10:03 PM
I think Kuznetsova's huge problem is she doesn't really have much of a plan A either. She seems to fly by the seat of her pants, at least to my eyes. But in terms of what talents she harnesses, she seems to have just about everything...speed, shotmaking, netplay, defense, serve...


She is a versatile player... but truthfully... I think having a plan B is a myth anyways. How many players have we seen win with Plan B?

cellophane
Jul 6th, 2008, 10:04 PM
Thank you. And her matches turn out ugly because she doesn't have the mentality as a Sharapova does.

I truly believe that losing to Radwanska doesn't have a lot to do with mentality.

Njay16
Jul 6th, 2008, 10:08 PM
I truly believe that losing to Radwanska doesn't have a lot to do with mentality.

She was up 4-2 in the third. Correct me if I'm wrong but usually the mentally stable players can take that brak of serve and finish out the match. That match had a lot to do with mentality.

Njay16
Jul 6th, 2008, 10:09 PM
She is a versatile player... but truthfully... I think having a plan B is a myth anyways. How many players have we seen win with Plan B?

Henin
Mauresmo

kiwifan
Jul 6th, 2008, 10:09 PM
It seems that many people in this forum seem to define talent as being able to do lots of things as long as your opponent isn't hitting the ball too hard.

Well your typical college player can hit a variety of shot as long as her opponent isn't blasting the ball down her throat. :shrug:

Sharapova is the only one of them that has consistently stood in there against it all and come out victorious. She's the only Russian that goes into every match expecting to win, regardless of the opponent.

That would make her most talented.

Bruno71
Jul 6th, 2008, 10:11 PM
I truly believe that losing to Radwanska doesn't have a lot to do with mentality.

Russians seem to generally have a problem beating Radwanska lately.

Njay16
Jul 6th, 2008, 10:12 PM
It seems that many people in this forum seem to define talent as being able to do lots of things as long as your opponent isn't hitting the ball too hard.

Well your typical college player can hit a variety of shot as long as her opponent isn't blasting the ball down her throat. :shrug:

Sharapova is the only one of them that has consistently stood in there against it all and come out victorious. She's the only Russian that goes into every match expecting to win, regardless of the opponent.

That would make her most talented.

Doesn't every player, regardless of nationality, go into matches expecting to win? If not why bother competing?:confused:

cellophane
Jul 6th, 2008, 10:14 PM
Russians seem to generally have a problem beating Radwanska lately.

Yes, when they are UE machines like Petrova and Kuznetsova.

Cp6uja
Jul 6th, 2008, 10:17 PM
My TOP15 Russians:
1.Sharapova, 2.Safin, 3.Kafelnikov, 4.Kuznetsova, 5.Dementieva, 6.Myskina, 7.Morozova, 8.Davydenko, 9.Petrova, 10.Safina, 11.Chakvetadze, 12.Youzhny, 13.Chesnokov, 14.Zvonareva, 15.Kournikova


Of upcoming players i have best hopes of Pavlychenkova.

Shvedbarilescu
Jul 6th, 2008, 10:19 PM
Myskina's best was better than any other Russians best. Just a shame the period she was at her best was so brief.

IceHock
Jul 6th, 2008, 10:20 PM
1)Sharapova
2)Myskina
3)Kuznetsova
4)Dementieva
5)Petrova

LudwigDvorak
Jul 6th, 2008, 10:24 PM
Nadia's groundstrokes used to be superb. Now she's all serve and volleys, with the occasional sharp stroke from the back. :sad:

It's tough. I still firmly believe the top three in this category are Petrova, Myskina, and Zvonareva, although Dementieva's forehand and movement/anticipation/speed/defense almost make me want to include her as well. She USED to be a good volleyer as well, but her predictability on court and poor strategies won't make me include her.

All of them are supremely talented bar Chakvetadze, though--I think I'll vote Zvonareva, simply because I think she has the best mix of what I consider the cornerstones of talent. No true big weapon, but her backhand is delightful. Good serve, strokes, volleys, defense, court sense...not much more you can ask for (aside from a better brain :banghead: ).

Apoleb
Jul 6th, 2008, 10:26 PM
Sharapova.

Kuznetsova is overrated. Her groundstrokes are ugly and she no fluidity or rhythm. That's why she's inconsistent, and it's not only because she's a headcase, even though she is. Many of these Russians are overrated, and that's why a few of them are on my shitlist.

Lunaris
Jul 6th, 2008, 10:31 PM
Russians seem to generally have a problem beating Radwanska lately.
I didn't see the match, but Kuznetsova is by no means a player meant for grass. Probably because of her topspin forehand, which isn't favoured by low bouncing surfaces and Radwanska hits flat shots, which don't bounce very high in general. It's more difficult to go so low in knees to hit topspin like Kuznetsova does and control the shot. That said I never really saw her playing on grass, so I might be completely wrong here.

As for the topic itself, no idea really. They are all very talented, each in different way, even Chakvetadze. Maybe Safina not that much.

Pebbles
Jul 6th, 2008, 10:34 PM
Elena. On any given day she can blast any player off the court, the only kink in the armour is the serve. Everything else is there, just needs to get her nerves in order.

Lyndle_BE
Jul 7th, 2008, 06:57 AM
Sveta - good all-round player...if only she would/could put it together for the matches that count!

skanky~skanketta
Jul 7th, 2008, 07:07 AM
Dementieva IMO, but she still blows in big matches.
But she's got no serve and a mediocre backhand!

Josh.
Jul 7th, 2008, 07:19 AM
Im going to say Vera, then Elena and Nastya tied for 2nd.

kaktusino
Jul 7th, 2008, 07:35 AM
Of course Lena. We all know if Elena is ON she can beat anyone. Just so sadly that not always she use her possibilities.

hankqq
Jul 7th, 2008, 07:38 AM
Kuznetsova and Petrova have the most complete games. They can do everything, so I would label them as most talented. When they play well, everything is working and they can beat anyone. When they aren't playing well, everything in their game can (and often does) go off. If only they were able to focus better in matches...

Safina has the next most complete game, but of course she lacks consistency and her movement isn't the best.

Without ordering the rest of the Russians, here's my thoughts:

Sharapova and Dementieva have very straight forward games. Sharapova has the big serve and groundies and looks to end the points quickly all the time. Dementieva has the movement and the forehand with the solid backhand. Of course it takes a lot of talent to hit the same shots over and over again from all over the court, but this is their only option. These 2 use their limited games to the best of their abilities, and they deserve tons of credit for this, but I don't think they are the most talented Russians.

Myskina and Chakvetadze work the point the most/are the most counterpuncherish, since they aren't too powerful. Usually they out-think opponents rather than outhit opponents, which takes lots of patience (the above 5 don't have that patience). Still, neither volley well, and they can be blasted off the court by a zoning big hitter.

Zvonareva is just solid on her serve/groundstrokes, but she doesn't have the power of the bigger hitters or the patience of the work-the-pointers.

Kournikova had a good forehand, great volleys and great movement. Her backhand and serve were always weak though.

Another Russian not mentioned in the poll: Kirilenko. She has lots of variety and can do everything as well, but she's not consistent and doesn't have a lot power.

kaktusino
Jul 7th, 2008, 07:49 AM
But she's got no serve and a mediocre backhand!

The thread name is "the most talented russian" :rolleyes:
It's not important that who has, who has not big serve, backhand, forehand etc
Because in tour are many talanted russian girls. the reason is that not everyone of them can show their real potential

kiwifan
Jul 7th, 2008, 07:57 AM
Doesn't every player, regardless of nationality, go into matches expecting to win? If not why bother competing?:confused:

Most tennis players know that they're going to lose against Fed/Nadal (male) or a Williams (female). Most admit that they hope their opponent has an off day or they have no chance.

If you've ever read pre-match interviews this would be common knowledge. :shrug:

Why bother competing? To test yourself, you get better by playing people that can beat you.

Also in the pros the losers get paychecks too. ;)

LH2HBH
Jul 7th, 2008, 08:00 AM
I would say Maria Sharapova. Talent to close out matches and win titles. I admit it may not be a beautiful game. It's a game built around consistently penetrating groundstrokes that win matches week in and week out. That's a talent that I admire.

InsideOut.
Jul 7th, 2008, 08:14 AM
She was up 4-2 in the third. Correct me if I'm wrong but usually the mentally stable players can take that brak of serve and finish out the match. That match had a lot to do with mentality.

Sharapova was *2-0 up in the third against Aga in the USO 3r after winning the second set 6-1. She lost the third set 6-2. A mentally stable player would hold on to the break and not lose 6 games in a row. :wavey:

Sharapova is talented in terms of mental strength. @flyguydsl, Sharapova isn't the best closer of matches...like how she wasted a 7-6 5-2 lead with match point against Safina, and also leading 5-2 with two mini-breaks in the second set tiebreak, and how she wasted match points against Serena on HER OWN SERVE in AO (losing 2-6 7-5 8-6). She actually had some trouble closing out Foretz in Wimbledon too. Just saying.

The most talented are IMO Sveta, Bepa, Nadia, and Nastya.

Tennisation
Jul 7th, 2008, 08:17 AM
Anna K no doubt. She has a beautiful all court game with some amazing touch with those volleys.

Serenidad.
Jul 7th, 2008, 08:41 AM
Anastasia Bitch Myskina.

lavigne41
Jul 7th, 2008, 08:45 AM
Maria.

Malva
Jul 7th, 2008, 09:20 AM
Sharapova isn't the most talented,but she's used her weapons the most out of anyone.

Totally agree: Sharapova is the most effective, and not only among Russian players. She was taught, and learned it perfectly, how to use to her greatest advantage just a very few weapons to win matches. She also takes full advantage of the fact that she is very tall.

Results matter. The one who wins has the most talent for winning, which is the most important talent. A talent for winning.

This thread is about talent to play tennis.

It seems that many people in this forum seem to define talent as being able to do lots of things as long as your opponent isn't hitting the ball too hard.

Well your typical college player can hit a variety of shot as long as her opponent isn't blasting the ball down her throat.

Not true.

Even most Top 100 women players can't execute that variety of shots correctly in matches when nobody is blasting the ball down their throats.

Myskina's best was better than any other Russians best. Just a shame the period she was at her best was so brief.

This is my impression too.

babuska6
Jul 7th, 2008, 09:24 AM
i voted for sharapova,but i think that the big player in the future will be also nastya pavlyuchenkova ;)

AnywhereButHome
Jul 7th, 2008, 09:27 AM
Sharapova

$uricate
Jul 7th, 2008, 10:52 AM
Nadia Petrova :shrug:

Its a testament to her talent that she managed to do anything with that ole brain of hers!

frenchie
Jul 7th, 2008, 11:09 AM
Myskina of course:worship:
her talent is blinding!!

You could see her adapting to the surface and her opponents.:drool:
When playing indoors or on grass (Her favorite surfaces), she was really aggressive and hitting very hard and flat.
On hard court, she was more versatile, counterpunching and using more variety (loved her dropshots and lobs)

Please Nastya comeback:sad::help:

@Sweet Cleopatra
Jul 7th, 2008, 12:20 PM
Sharapova and Myskina ...

igost
Jul 7th, 2008, 12:37 PM
Sharapova. No contest.

Viktymise
Jul 7th, 2008, 01:03 PM
Krasnoroutskaya.

Followed by Dementieva and Myskina. The Spartak girls.

Kournikova is probably the most underrated.

$uricate
Jul 7th, 2008, 01:09 PM
Krasnoroutskaya.

I'd also say Dementieva and Myskina. The Spartak girls.

Kournikova is probably the most underrated.

OMG I forgot about Lina!

So much talent, but her career was cut really short by injuries and then babies :sad:

I still remember when she gave Kim her only loss before the semis of an event in 2003, in the third round of Toronto :drool:

Serenidad.
Jul 7th, 2008, 02:11 PM
No surprise Maria is winning the poll; It only proves the average intelligence of WTAWorld.

shap_half
Jul 7th, 2008, 03:10 PM
On all surfaces...
top
Kuznetsova
Myskina
Petrova

On hard
Kuznetsova
Sharapova
Dementieva

On clay
Kuznetsova
Petrova
Zvonareva

On grass
Sharapova
Myskina
Kournikova

cherboy
Jul 7th, 2008, 03:26 PM
Likhovtseva :bounce:

Marco Fernandes
Jul 7th, 2008, 03:44 PM
Gotta be kidding. This thread does not deserve all this confusion.

Maria is the best russian player . Not a doubt. She owns 3 grand slams and 19 wta titles. Myskina owns 1 grand slam and 10 wta titles. And now way Myskina can beat Maria when she's playing her best. When Maria's serve, backhand and forehand are working , there's no way Myskina's game can overcome Maria's , eventough Anastasia uses more variety.

Yes , Myskina is a great player but no way she's better than Maria. THis way , Maria is more talented than Myskina.

Marco Fernandes
Jul 7th, 2008, 03:48 PM
Considering that Myskina is more talented in the variety part and Maria is more talented in the intensity, consistence, and mental part, Maria is more talented than her.

shap_half
Jul 7th, 2008, 03:56 PM
Considering that Myskina is more talented in the variety part and Maria is more talented in the intensity, consistence, and mental part, Maria is more talented than her.

Since when did intensity and mental part become talent?

Becool
Jul 7th, 2008, 04:49 PM
most talented - elena likhovtseva

Marco Fernandes
Jul 7th, 2008, 04:49 PM
Since when did intensity and mental part become talent?

-.-'

Not all the players are able to have the same game intensity and powerfull shots that Maria has. That is for sure a talent that she has got. Same for the mental.

KV
Jul 7th, 2008, 05:21 PM
Most talented-Anna Kournikova
Best player-Maria Sharapova

BTW, you forgot to add Olga Morozova to the poll.

Agreed.