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Lolo8
Jul 6th, 2008, 02:33 PM
I've seen Serena in some dog fights down match points and still win. I was disappointed in her play yesterday because she didn't even bother to lift the level of her game and battle like she has done in the past. Remember Aussie open last year coming back in the Petrova and Peer matches? I have notice since the French Open last year she has lost every match in those slams not putting up an effort to win. Serena didn't even try in neither of her slams lost against Henin and this year its pretty much the same thing, she just rolled over in her loses against Jankovic, Srebotnik and know Venus. Why no fight no more? Someone with her serve shouldn't be losing like this,her record is the best this year 31-4 and hasn't even won a slam title yet.:confused:

comfortably.numb
Jul 6th, 2008, 02:36 PM
She obviously has a serious mental block that doesn't allow her to get back into tough matches against the top players in slams. She's also far too emotional on court. She cannot expect players to just roll over for her. She has to work through funks without getting too down on herself. It's something she has to work through if she expects to dominate the game again. I think some type of sports psychologist would help her. But I don't see Serena going to one. I don't think she would like the idea of being seen as mentally weak.

vwfan
Jul 6th, 2008, 02:42 PM
not to worry, it'll be back!:devil:

VS Fan
Jul 6th, 2008, 02:44 PM
Hmmmm..... that was a pretty good serve on the first match point yesterday, wasn't it???. Serena started the match "in the Zone" but Venus stepped it up.
Both players played near PEAK performance through most of the match, something all tennis fans had waited for. Someone had to lose, this time it was Serena.
Venus second serve, one of her weakest shots came through for her, while Serena's second serve, thought stronger than Venus' let her down. Still only one break of serve difference in each set.
Great match!

comfortably.numb
Jul 6th, 2008, 02:46 PM
Both players played near PEAK performance through most of the match, something all tennis fans had waited for.
LOL. What match were you watching? Neither was nowhere near their peak. And really, the match wasn't even that good.

Lolo8
Jul 6th, 2008, 02:51 PM
Its not like it was a impossible match for Serena to win because I've seen her battle back in tougher situations. The second set of her match against Zie Zheng was more competitive than the final.

VS Fan
Jul 6th, 2008, 02:52 PM
LOL. What match were you watching? Neither was nowhere near their peak. And really, the match wasn't even that good.

Obviously preceptions differ, I suggest that you look at the match stats available on the Wimbledon site.

kiwifan
Jul 6th, 2008, 04:28 PM
It got her to the finals, how did your favorite player do? :yawn:

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bandabou
Jul 6th, 2008, 04:57 PM
In majors, she seems to not have it at the moment. For whatever reason. Although, she did save that 1st mp brilliantly. Venus was just too good today. Nothing you can do.

Direwolf
Jul 6th, 2008, 05:01 PM
Seriously...
she came back in those matches because...
she played with Chokers..

and Venus is not one of them!!

bandabou
Jul 6th, 2008, 05:05 PM
Seriously...
she came back in those matches because...
she played with Chokers..

and Venus is not one of them!!

:lol: maybe..

vixter
Jul 6th, 2008, 05:33 PM
Obviously preceptions differ, I suggest that you look at the match stats available on the Wimbledon site.

LOL. What match were you watching? Neither was nowhere near their peak. And really, the match wasn't even that good.

Yeah, statistics does not give the whole picture. Serena started both sets really good but was unable to keep her cool. She went from hitting flat offensive shots to hitting slow loopy shots. Especially second set was not good at all from Serena. When the heat is on she turns everything into such a dramatic struggle for her and it's not helping her.

But I think first half of the first set was really good. Venus is cool and relaxed and has no dips of concentration throughout the whole match.

Volcana
Jul 6th, 2008, 05:36 PM
I've seen Serena in some dog fights down match points and still win. I was disappointed in her play yesterday because she didn't even bother to lift the level of her game and battle like she has done in the past.She was playing Venus. And playing Venus playing about the best Venus can play. Serena had 9 aces and only 11 UEs. And lost. Venus ran down everything, hit hard, hit deep, and got net 18 times, winning 15 of those points.


Did Serena play her best tennis? No. Or i should say, not the whole match. But even her worst yesterday was actually pretty good tennis. but Venus held her level, her itop level, while Serena varied from excellent to very good. All the fighting spirit in the world won't beat an opponent who's just as athleticially gifted, and playing better. Venus' 2nd serve averaged 5 mph faster than Serena's. When is Venus' 2nd serve ever that good?


Venus brought her 'A' game. Serena, on average, brought her 'A-' game.

mykarma
Jul 6th, 2008, 07:03 PM
Its not like it was a impossible match for Serena to win because I've seen her battle back in tougher situations. The second set of her match against Zie Zheng was more competitive than the final.
Venus didn't allow Serena to raise her game. No matter what she did Venus was there and no one was going to beat her yesterday, IMO. If this was the US Open, I think the rolls would have been reversed. Let's face it, Venus is the best on grass.

mykarma
Jul 6th, 2008, 07:08 PM
Yeah, statistics does not give the whole picture. Serena started both sets really good but was unable to keep her cool. She went from hitting flat offensive shots to hitting slow loopy shots. Especially second set was not good at all from Serena. When the heat is on she turns everything into such a dramatic struggle for her and it's not helping her.

But I think first half of the first set was really good. Venus is cool and relaxed and has no dips of concentration throughout the whole match.
Which is quite different for Venus.

Thanx4nothin
Jul 6th, 2008, 07:10 PM
Nothing she was simply outplayed by one of the best grass courters of all time, possibly on ability alone THEE best.

Dawson.
Jul 6th, 2008, 07:14 PM
i sensed a change in serena's attitude when she gave venus the point yesterday (when she shouted 'no'). she seemed a bit flat after that. she might have dwelled on it a bit :shrug:

-VSR-
Jul 6th, 2008, 07:48 PM
Venus was suprisingly consistent throughout the entire match and didn't give Serena an opportunity to come back into the match. :shrug:

bunch_01
Jul 6th, 2008, 07:58 PM
Serena played loopy shots hoping to throw Venus off by giving her off pace shots to hit. And it worked for one or two attempts. The thing that went wrong was that in the middle of the second set Serena got down on herself for a couple of games (I almost wondered if it was a psychological tactic...) and it was match over. How can you get down on yourself when the current set is still even? Easy I guess if you know how matches between you and someone you play regularly enough turn out under certain circumstances.

Destiny
Jul 6th, 2008, 08:02 PM
:shrug:

VS Fan
Jul 6th, 2008, 08:05 PM
Venus was playing the best she had since J Cap US Open 2001, or Monica 2001, Monica played well that day just as Serena did and also lost.
Serena started the match playing "in the zone" as she has about a dozen times in her career, but dropped to a slightly lower level... because of Venus!
The difference in the game yesterday was the Second serve. Venus won 50% + of hers and Serena won less than 20%. Role reversal but won the game for Venus.
Both had good Winners/Errors and 1st serve %. Second serve was the key to Venus victory. Who could have predicted that!?