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Dodoboy.
Jul 6th, 2008, 11:41 AM
Do you agree?

Eurosport's tennis expert Simon Reed believes one of the Williams sisters will top the world rankings at the end of the year, and she's not the Wimbledon champion.

What a final! I have to say I started to feel sorry for Venus at the beginning of the match, she was getting nothing short of butchered by her younger sister Serena.

Possibly the wind was a factor, but Venus started to get into things and snatched the first set. I was expecting Serena to pull back and set up a decider, but it didn't happen, and before we knew it Venus had a fifth Wimbledon title.

You'd have to call it an upset. Serena has been playing like the best player in the world, and looks every bit as motivated as she did when she first came on the scene.

I think Venus will be very happy to take this title, and see if she can't win another Grand Slam before Wimbledon comes around next year. But she's not concerned about being the highest ranked player in the world anymore, or winning every tournament.

Serena, however, appears to have seriously got back her hunger, and she'll use this as a springboard to have a cracking season. I strongly believe she'll be number one in the world, or very close to it, before the year is out.

I personally agree. She has a very nice schedule before the USO and very few points to defend, she is #2 with all the US Open series points taken off and she should be top 4 before USO. With a win there or even a final the #1 spot is very attainable.

Thoughts?

serenus_2k8
Jul 6th, 2008, 11:47 AM
:o Just posted this in Serenas forum :lol:

Yeh I absolutely agree. She can make points before US Open, at the US Open and then has some defending to do after, not much though, and if she plays well at the YEC, she could steal the number 1 :D

Destiny
Jul 6th, 2008, 11:47 AM
That seems do able :inlove:

In The Zone
Jul 6th, 2008, 11:58 AM
Serena doesn't even have to win the US Open to be # 1. That's how inconsistent the top players have been. Serena has been very consistent (outside the slams). It's the reason why Mauresmo and Clijsters got to # 1 without slams. Serena could join that *elite* list! :lol:

xan
Jul 6th, 2008, 11:59 AM
:tennis:
Whenever Serena has a good tournament, a few of the more unstable commentators make these sorts of comments. For them you're as good as your last match. Just like so many were saying two weeks ago that Ivanovic would win Wimbledon. Reed knows nothing. After the AO final of 2007 he was saying "Serena is the real No1. She will dominate now.." etc. etc. It didn't happen.
Serena had incredible luck this WImbledon not to meet a Top ten seed before the final

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Jul 6th, 2008, 12:01 PM
Do you agree?


I personally agree. She has a very nice schedule before the USO and very few points to defend, she is #2 with all the US Open series points taken off and she should be top 4 before USO. With a win there or even a final the #1 spot is very attainable.

Thoughts?

#2? No, 3rd. Jankovic is 2nd.
If she wants to be nr 1 this year she should get a better result than Ana at the US Open. Otherwise I won't see it happen.

Elwin.
Jul 6th, 2008, 12:01 PM
it's possible:D

Dodoboy.
Jul 6th, 2008, 12:04 PM
#2? No, 3rd. Jankovic is 2nd.
If she wants to be nr 1 this year she should get a better result than Ana at the US Open. Otherwise I won't see it happen.

Then let's just hope for a Ana v Serena semi.

I personally believe this is very doable.

Dodoboy.
Jul 6th, 2008, 12:05 PM
:tennis:
Whenever Serena has a good tournament, a few of the more unstable commentators make these sorts of comments. For them you're as good as your last match. Just like so many were saying two weeks ago that Ivanovic would win Wimbledon. Reed knows nothing. After the AO final of 2007 he was saying "Serena is the real No1. She will dominate now.." etc. etc. It didn't happen.
Serena had incredible luck this WImbledon not to meet a Top ten seed before the final

Serena has had 3 good tournaments this year and has finally backed it up with a solid slam.

I don't think this is coming out of nowhere.

elenadrocks
Jul 6th, 2008, 12:27 PM
hi pardon my ignorance but can i ask a question about the san diego rankings. what happens to the points gained at san diego last year? will they be totally removed since its not being played this year?

that means maria loses a huge chunk of points - 430 i think. serena really has nothing to defend till US Open (QF i think)

In The Zone
Jul 6th, 2008, 12:36 PM
hi pardon my ignorance but can i ask a question about the san diego rankings. what happens to the points gained at san diego last year? will they be totally removed since its not being played this year?

that means maria loses a huge chunk of points - 430 i think. serena really has nothing to defend till US Open (QF i think)

They will be removed like any normal tournament when the corresponding week in 2008 arrives. ( I think the first week in August ). All tournaments are done this way and then the new ones are added. In this case, there are no new ones.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jul 6th, 2008, 12:39 PM
She can do it... but this also depends on other player's performances too during the hardcourts season and in the Olympics.

And that means Ana, Maria and Jelena would have to be piss poor during that period while she keeps on winning...

kwilliams
Jul 6th, 2008, 12:41 PM
I agree with it all except for the part about Simon Reed being a tennis expert. That's bullshit.

As long as she plays she could make it there. She only has points to defend from USO, Stuttgart, Moscow and YEC the rest of the year and considering the sizes of those tournaments she doesn't have that many points to defend. Sharapova has a good shot too. I think she only has points from San Diego and USO to defend.

Matt01
Jul 6th, 2008, 12:42 PM
'Tennis Expert' Matt01 (;)) also thinks Serena can be #1 at the end of the year. The mission will not be easy, though.


that means maria loses a huge chunk of points - 430 i think. serena really has nothing to defend till US Open (QF i think)


Sharpie will play Montréal this year to compensate her loss of points from San Diego.

serenus_2k8
Jul 6th, 2008, 12:48 PM
How many points are for the olypmics btw?

Dodoboy.
Jul 6th, 2008, 12:51 PM
Notice the inverted commas :lol:

kwilliams
Jul 6th, 2008, 12:52 PM
How many points are for the olypmics btw?

JH got 435 points for winning in Athens. Silver medalist Mauresmo got 286 points.

Don't know if it will be the same of different this year.

serenus_2k8
Jul 6th, 2008, 12:54 PM
JH got 435 points for winning in Athens. Silver medalist Mauresmo got 286 points.

Don't know if it will be the same of different this year.

Oh Wow, so its kinda like a tier I, give or take!

I think that seems about right, enough to be fair to the winner without making it hurt too much when the points go ;)

In The Zone
Jul 6th, 2008, 01:07 PM
JH got 435 points for winning in Athens. Silver medalist Mauresmo got 286 points.

Don't know if it will be the same of different this year.

The ITF posted the points, there is a post somewhere on this board with them. It is in between a Tier I and II. The champion gets 353 pts, I know that. I'll find it.

In The Zone
Jul 6th, 2008, 01:10 PM
Found it.

Rank Points for the Olympics:

Gold Medal - 353
Silver Medal - 245
Bronze Medal - 175
Loser 3rd/4th - 135
Quarterfinals - 90
Round of 16 - 48
Round of 32 - 28
1st Round - 1

serenus_2k8
Jul 6th, 2008, 01:12 PM
Found it.

Eww not too much then! Why such weird numbers :lol:

Shvedbarilescu
Jul 6th, 2008, 01:18 PM
Serena definately has a realistic chance to finish the year number one. It is very much a four horse race between her, Ivanovic, Jankovic and Sharapova. It will come down to who plays the best in the big events especially the US Open and the Olympics but also if ends up very close and it looks like it might then how many events one has done well in could be the deciding factor.

Yes, Serena could finish the year as number 1 even without winning the US Open as some have suggested but only if she plays substantially more events than is typical of her. I suspect should any of the four number one contenders take the US Open they will be in a nice position for claiming the end of the year number one spot.

We have a bonefide four way battle for the top spot. Isn't that fun? I'd much rather that than have the number one position almost a certainty by the middle of the year as has happened in the recent past when one player has been head and shoulders better than everyone else.

serenus_2k8
Jul 6th, 2008, 01:25 PM
Serena definately has a realistic chance to finish the year number one. It is very much a four horse race between her, Ivanovic, Jankovic and Sharapova. It will come down to who plays the best in the big events especially the US Open and the Olympics but also if ends up very close and it looks like it might then how many events one has done well in could be the deciding factor.

Yes, Serena could finish the year as number 1 even without winning the US Open as some have suggested but only if she plays substantially more events than is typical of her. I suspect should any of the four number one contenders take the US Open they will be in a nice position for claiming the end of the year number one spot.

We have a bonefide four way battle for the top spot. Isn't that fun? I'd much rather that than have the number one position almost a certainty by the middle of the year as has happened in the recent past when one player has been head and shoulders better than everyone else.

Yeh I would love for 3-4 players be left to battle it out for the #1 spot in the YEC. But I want to see Vee make a late challenge :D

Cp6uja
Jul 6th, 2008, 01:41 PM
Here is WTA Ranking List for US Open/08:

3553 (3413+USO/08) Ana Ivanovic + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3155 (2905+USO/08) Jelena Jankovic + LA/08 + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3126 (2876+USO/08) Serena Williams + Stanford/08 + LA/08 + Beijing/08
3071 (2981+USO/08) Maria Sharapova + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3070 (2370+USO/08) Svetlana Kuznetsova + LA/08 + Beijing/08

kwilliams
Jul 6th, 2008, 02:16 PM
I definitely think the Olympic winners should be awarded my points. It's a 64 player field, right?

Nemo_Kool
Jul 6th, 2008, 02:25 PM
Of course it is doable...we are talking about Serena Williams!...my dream end of year rankings:
Number1 Serena Number 2 Venus Number 3 Jankovic!...PLEASE COME TRUE!

Dodoboy.
Jul 6th, 2008, 02:29 PM
Here is WTA Ranking List for US Open/08:

3553 (3413+USO/08) Ana Ivanovic + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3155 (2905+USO/08) Jelena Jankovic + LA/08 + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3126 (2876+USO/08) Serena Williams + Stanford/08 + LA/08 + Beijing/08
3071 (2981+USO/08) Maria Sharapova + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3070 (2370+USO/08) Svetlana Kuznetsova + LA/08 + Beijing/08

Merci Beaucoup!

In The Zone
Jul 6th, 2008, 02:29 PM
I definitely think the Olympic winners should be awarded my points. It's a 64 player field, right?

Yep. 2004 had quality points included, though.

serenus_2k8
Jul 6th, 2008, 02:30 PM
Here is WTA Ranking List for US Open/08:

3553 (3413+USO/08) Ana Ivanovic + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3155 (2905+USO/08) Jelena Jankovic + LA/08 + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3126 (2876+USO/08) Serena Williams + Stanford/08 + LA/08 + Beijing/08
3071 (2981+USO/08) Maria Sharapova + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3070 (2370+USO/08) Svetlana Kuznetsova + LA/08 + Beijing/08

Sorry Im confused. Please explain :confused:

tennisbear7
Jul 6th, 2008, 02:35 PM
Meh.

Who cares about world number one?

Serena's focus should be on the USO/Olympics.

comfortably.numb
Jul 6th, 2008, 02:41 PM
Meh.

Who cares about world number one?

Serena's focus should be on the USO/Olympics.
Agreed.

SAEKeithSerena
Jul 6th, 2008, 04:19 PM
she'll do it.

Cp6uja
Jul 6th, 2008, 05:49 PM
Here is WTA Ranking List for US Open/08:

3553 (3413+USO/08) Ana Ivanovic + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3155 (2905+USO/08) Jelena Jankovic + LA/08 + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3126 (2876+USO/08) Serena Williams + Stanford/08 + LA/08 + Beijing/08
3071 (2981+USO/08) Maria Sharapova + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3070 (2370+USO/08) Svetlana Kuznetsova + LA/08 + Beijing/08

Sorry Im confused. Please explain :confused:On left side is points when we cut-off all last summer points which players reach before US Open 2007 (in bracket is points when we cut-off USO/07 pts also). On right side after players name is tournaments which players commit to play in next 2 months... so this help you to notice which is chances for different player to reach some of WTA TOP5 positions at USO (and after) USO.

Who cares about world number one?

Serena's focus should be on the USO/Olympics.In this case her results at Olympics and especialy at US Open is directly connected with her rankings including her chances to reach #1 after about 5 years and 250 weeks (current ATP/WTA record "pause" of all times is about 150 weeks!).

fufuqifuqishahah
Jul 6th, 2008, 05:52 PM
I definitely think the Olympic winners should be awarded my points. It's a 64 player field, right?

many top players are excluded though. i think it should be awarded a tier I though because its still more competitive than a tier i.

serena has a very good chance - already #3 in the race.

serenus_2k8
Jul 6th, 2008, 05:53 PM
Here is WTA Ranking List for US Open/08:

3553 (3413+USO/08) Ana Ivanovic + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3155 (2905+USO/08) Jelena Jankovic + LA/08 + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3126 (2876+USO/08) Serena Williams + Stanford/08 + LA/08 + Beijing/08
3071 (2981+USO/08) Maria Sharapova + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3070 (2370+USO/08) Svetlana Kuznetsova + LA/08 + Beijing/08

On left side is points when we cut-off all last summer points which players reach before US Open 2007 (in bracket is points when we cut-off USO/07 pts also). On right side after players name is tournaments which players commit to play in next 2 months... so this help you to notice which is chances for different player to reach some of WTA TOP5 positions at USO (and after) USO.

In this case her results at Olympics and especialy at US Open is directly connected with her rankings including her chances to reach #1 after about 5 years and 250 weeks (current ATP/WTA record "pause" of all times is about 150 weeks!).

Ahh thanks a lot, thats great :)

Cp6uja
Jul 6th, 2008, 06:08 PM
Talking about points system at Olympics i have oppinion that instead something between tier-I and tier-II it must be something between tier-I and Grand Slams! So for final-8 (quarterfinalists) OG points should be like at YEC and with two bronze medalist (without match for 3rd place which is nonsense for tennis) - 750(gold), 525(silver), 335(bronze), 185(QF)...

Olympics Games tournament is most prestiguos tennis tournament after slams - especialy in womens competitions and current OG points system is totaly disrespectfull and stupid (Olympic champion will reach about same number points like Montreal runnerup 2 weeks before or USO quarterfinalist two weeks after).

teleri
Jul 6th, 2008, 10:34 PM
I agree on Venus part but I doubt in Serena part.She needs to play full schedule to become no.1.

serenafan08
Jul 6th, 2008, 11:37 PM
:tennis:
Whenever Serena has a good tournament, a few of the more unstable commentators make these sorts of comments. For them you're as good as your last match. Just like so many were saying two weeks ago that Ivanovic would win Wimbledon. Reed knows nothing. After the AO final of 2007 he was saying "Serena is the real No1. She will dominate now.." etc. etc. It didn't happen.
Serena had incredible luck this WImbledon not to meet a Top ten seed before the final

:lol: This is coming from a bitter Maria fan! Xan dude - get lost. Maria isn't the queen anymore (in my opinion she never was to begin with), so just deal with it. Serena and Venus are on a resurgent path, and you can expect great things to come from both of them.

faboozadoo15
Jul 7th, 2008, 04:59 AM
Here is WTA Ranking List for US Open/08:

3553 (3413+USO/08) Ana Ivanovic + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3155 (2905+USO/08) Jelena Jankovic + LA/08 + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3126 (2876+USO/08) Serena Williams + Stanford/08 + LA/08 + Beijing/08
3071 (2981+USO/08) Maria Sharapova + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3070 (2370+USO/08) Svetlana Kuznetsova + LA/08 + Beijing/08

WTF, no LA for Maria?

Dodoboy.
Sep 8th, 2008, 07:48 AM
Reed :yeah:

serenus_2k8
Sep 8th, 2008, 07:50 AM
Nice one Simon ;)

Matt01
Sep 8th, 2008, 07:07 PM
'Tennis Expert' Matt01 (;)) also thinks Serena can be #1 at the end of the year. The mission will not be easy, though.


:angel:

Serena :worship:

Dodoboy.
Sep 8th, 2008, 09:08 PM
Matt :worship: